"Failure archetypes" really started from "archetypes that can't do what they're supposed to do" to "archetypes that mostly consist of bad cards with few playable cards" to "archetypes with some good cards but need help outside their archetype to run properly" to "archetypes that can function normally but not consistent enough" to "archetypes that perfectly functional on their own and can be combined with other tools to be better, but they are just not tier 1"
@@quijassajiuq900 It's almost like your idea of "failure" isn't the same as DuelLogs' original theme for the series. It's almost like people can sort things into tiers, themes, consistency and viability without resorting to just labelling them as failures. It's almost like you don't even perceive the problem people have with the growing broadness of this channel's use of the term, let alone understand it. Eat a dick, mush-for-brains.
I honestly kinda hate how the game got to a point where any given deck or strategy is either a top 1 meta contender or considered a failure and garbage. The deck functions properly, is built around a cool idea and is unique and beloved by many, that would never be considered a failure in any other game or context ever except YGO, sad
that's how all competitive games work. At a tournament ONLY the best tactics and stratagy works. For casual there great, but for pros? There was always something with more dakka
Well in Duel Links, more decks have a lot of viability due to the slower pace of the game allowing for games to last beyond the first turn. Despite some rather overpowered skills (a common complaint), I find a ton of variety in deck building on PvP and find that most strategies that just don't cut it in the TCG or Master Duel are perfectly serviceable and even really good in Duel Links, and not just because of "meta chasing". They were careful not to add some of the most powerful searchers and negates and archetypes in the game that allow for cheese, and many of the comboes that do work are quickly banned or restricted, thanks to the mechanics of the ban list not just reducing the odds of a strategy working, but out right preventing it with another strategy (since you can only have 2 cards from the limited 2 ban list PERIOD, many archetypes end up being a choice of "either you can do this offensive strategy but have no defense, OR you can go with this defensive strategy but gotta tribute summon to get your main win condition on the field." thus balancing the game a lot more. Also, in Duel links, trap cards are extremely useful. They aren't too slow as not many cards can wipe out back row and even if they can, a lot of cards generate advantage even if they are destroyed in DL, meaning you'll see a lot more "Bluffing" to bait out spell destruction. Also spell/trap negates are EXTREMELY rare. So you can use most spell and traps pretty safely. Dark Bribe is literally one of the few one card spell negates you can always just plop down IF you draw it. Ergo, in more restricted formats (basically ones that don't have Tears...) you can play some solid games, but as much as people like to sh8t on Duel links cause they can't do 30 minute FTKs in the game (which is somehow more fair than "SKILLZ TO THRILLZ") it's arguably the best way for causal players to enjoy the game. Also the pay to win aspect is BS. I've spent like $30 TOTAL in the 5 years I've played the game. You can get SO many jewels for free just playing PvP regularly. There's NO penalty for losing, so I don't know where they get that foolishness.
Played since PSV, the game has always been like that. If it isn't Tier 0 and costs a month's rent to build, might as well run nothing but normal monsters. I never liked that attitude (even now that I have money and *could* build Snake-Eye but won't), but it is what it is
@@dragonkingofthestars never argued with that, nothing wrong with a competitive mindset and wanting to win especially when there's prizes to gain, the point is that the "casual" point of view basically doesn't exist anymore and it's ONLY competitive
Like what even is the criteria to be considered a failure here? this series used to be about unplayable doodoo, unfocused, unsynergistic archetypes and ill-conceived mechanics but now it seems like anything not meta relevant from release to right now qualifies, like, we got a former world champ in the series. Are we getting a "failed archetype: Snake-Eyes" 10 years from now? edit: changed Ishizu to Blue-Eyes because I forgot that was an April Fools video.
His channel is nothing but "Top X" and "Failed archetype". I bet he wanted to talk about Ghoti and just decided to reuse the same name he always does, never mind if it's accurate.
@@HoveringAboveMyselfThe criteria is genuinely, literally just "This Archetype, if played pure, wouldn't be Meta". It's been increasingly obvious ever since his Video on Morphtronics, seeing how in that one Logs straight-up went "Morphtronics are a legitimately good Archetype, they just couldn't keep up with the Competetive Scene" in that one.
thats the issue with players today...unless it has a garunteed one card starter and somone can clinch the match on thier first turn ,a deck is "garbage"
Same! Had never even heard of this archetype before this video, but the art alone has me really appreciate this cool lil rogue archetype. Whoever did the art designs for these cards did an awesome job!
The artwork alone is what made me build it. This video is goofy. I went x-2 in Vegas Regionals with Ghoti. I think what he means by "Failed Archetype" is "not tier 1".
Yeah I had to double check as well. You'd have thought this would have had a correction and been re-uploaded given how a good section of this was devoted to this missing timing thing that doesn't exist but nah, can't have that video performance loss for the almighty algorithm I guess 🤷
I main Ghoti, so here's the summary: They lack the sheer power of competitive decks, and need to snowball to win. The game is too fast for snowballing to be a solid strategy, but if you're somehow allowed the time to grow you can become a force to be reckoned with to all but the strongest decks. It's a very high end NOT competitive deck, but not competitive nonetheless.
So many people don't understand that a deck wining once in a while doesn't make a "failed" archetype compared to the ones that consistently are good. It also doesn't mean it's trash tier either, just it never hit it's stride
As a fellow Ghoti player I can tell you you can snowball into madness by the 3rd turn if you have the right cards. I white aura whaled 3 TIMES a yubel player recently
I really like Logs videos but holy shit, ghoti of all the shitty decks out there and being a TCG exclusive deck that really try so hard to make something new and Fresh a failure. For real? The deck has Flaws but the deck has a solid gameplay, is not clunky, it doesnt brick themselve, have a good amount of starters, a massive and easy removal, good synchro options and non fish synchro option. The deck is a solid deck and have many strategies and plays around many things but YGO is a game about not letting people play and be One-sided thats why a deck that lacks of any form of prevent your opp to play the game is a failure eventhough you wipe and banish all the board, if you let your opp have a turn u fail.
It's nor even rogue. It's meta. It's able to fish Synchro and banish on your opponents turn but do any Synchro on yours such as gymir, chengying, accel Synchro and more
@@nobody-xh6ii Meta? With all 2 of its top placements ever? 0 on the OCG? I love Ghoti, I play it with Icejade, but I would never call it anything better than Rogue after their new support and straight up unplayable before it
@@Oxitono Dies to Ash? Wha? Summon Lifeless, gets Ashed. Activate Ready Fusion into Allvain and make Arion. Or 1f1 a Princess into Shif for Arionpos for setup even if Arion is negated. Fishborg reveal a tuner. Abyss Shark to search that and have materials for Coral.
It was a bit jarring to see this archetype be labelled as failed, but this series has changed in what it’s purpose was. Not every failed archetype is the same level of unplayable, and even good ones have extremely glaring flaws that are worth going over. Pretty good video, I like this a lot.
I watched his stream a while back about how he does these videos. He just reads off a script and records it into audacity. The video is usually made by someone else afterward. And he has people writing his scripts now too, which is why the tone of voice has changed wildly multiple times over the past year. The current writer(s) have a "le epic bacon" way of speaking sometimes, it's really annoying. The quality of this channel is plummeting and I partially blame Logs spreading himself too thin between tons of channels and his vtuber agency thing.
Its in my opinion a couple of cards away (they needs more spells maybe a continuous one that allows you to special summon a banished monster when one is banished) to be a great deck. Its in no way a failed archetype
@@AnarchoCatBoyEthan the little ghotis(level 2) have 0 attack stats ,only defense value. Just tank a hit or purposely crash. I will be teching it from now on,really absurd. My friends will hate me now lol
I teched in Soul Absorption and Summoning Curse and some people will quit just off of that it's hilarious 😂😂😂. Makes me gain so many life points while boosting attack for Deep Beyond
How does calling ghoti of the deep beyond a when effect get past any kind of double checking? The card is right there on the screen with the if plain and center
18:46 mentioning the obligatory joke about Ghoti can be pronounced as "Fish" 21:07 this section has basically become duellogs' showcase of any archetype he finds interesting to talk about. the only real condition to be show here being "they werent' a tier 1/tier 0 menace"
This is kinda controversial, Ghoti to my knowledge has exactly 4 tournament tops, all of them though are only regional tournaments and none of the decks are pure Ghoti (mostly runick variants). It can be considered failed in the understanding of failing to reach its full potential. Its a fun deck that lacks in speed and needs to much set up for to little pay off, that could've been more meta relevant if it got a little more support.
Yeah I think people calling this deck kind-of a failure would be justified since half the cards are in fact garbage (I have ONLY seen near-pure Ghoti work in synchro events in MD where the banlist was heavy-handed enough to make it so you couldn't play full-power meta synchro decks, and also couldn't play Runick Ghoti or Superfishy Samurai.) But the main deck level 2s, Snopios, and the synchros (besides Guoglim lol) are legitimately good cards, arguably so is Psiics but I haven't played TCG format enough to test it out fully. Ghoti is rogue playable as an engine when paired with something else, but overall yeah pretty middling. Then again, Superheavy Samurai, when taken as a whole, is mostly made of bad cards, but the new support was so broken it needed multiple hits on the F/L list. So one could almost argue that archetype is a failure if you ignore a chunk of its cards and the fact that it's used more as an engine... same with Ghoti.
Excuse me sir logs At the 14:17 mark of the video, Ghoti of the Deep Beyond's on summon effect is an 'If' effect, not 'when'. Therefore, it will not miss timing. Even the card on the video shows 'if' not 'when'
Considering the fact that it came out as one of the worse archetypes at the time they where released, and failed to actually impact metas where the decks where based around the gy… ye it’s a big failure. This is coming from someone who bling’d out the deck too
Lol they’re not nearly as bad as this, but it would be fine, they are a failed archetype, too easy to stop, and underpowered compared to its contemporaries. Cool new concept that didn’t get the support it needed, unlike other decks released alongside it.
Yeah it's a bit too much. "Failed archetype" should be use for archetype that are noticeable bad, not for a rogue deck (+ Ghoti is an archetype that have a fun concept)
@@Animexdraco True, tbf a lot of the decks I see in this video series fall in that category. No surprise it's my least favorite of all his video series. Dude really needs to reconsider his concept of "failed card and mechanic"
I feel like calling any archetype that doesn't crack into the competitive meta a "failure" is a big reach. The deck is perfectly fine in a locals setting or the MD ladder, which is more than the huge majority of archetypes can say.
I think the only failure in this archetype is the pure lack of going second support. If they had proper spell cards and ways to fight past any negation on the starters it would be a more fun rogue deck
Failure? I play Ghoti and honestly it can wreck top decks if piloted right. And it's got some decent synchros it can go into both on and off the opponent's turn.
@@marlonb.4017 I mean I've smoked full combo Snake-Eyes, Yubel, and some Fiendsmith nonsense with it. But then again you have your opinion and I have mine. I don't care about your opinion as much as you don't mine, so exit stage right please. 😊
@@gabrielgois8724 because I don't do tournaments? And just because a deck can wipe out good decks if played right doesn't always mean they WILL always wipe top decks. There's bound to be a sour spot here or there.
@@Salvare___000 Nope they weren't. I doube checked and Ghotis were a TCG exclusive, released in Power of the Elements in August 2022, a few months after Elden Ring came out, so there was enough time for the TCG to get inspired by the Elden Beast when designing Ghoti of the Deep Beyond.
I just had to come back after watching this, then right after they do this water/wind MD event... This ghoti/white aura deck is actually pretty fukkn good.. Idk about with the TCG list, but I had to get rid of meta staples to add more fish but it honestly works better. You can pull extra deck monsters based on what your opponent is doing and what things you need to get rid of. I've tried damn near everything but it took a ghoti/white deck to finally break platinum rate. Honestly the deck is probably tcg limited list compliant
Ghoti is one of my favorite decks ! But yeah, it has a lot of issues. It dies very hard to interruption and really can’t take much advantage of going first. Still, it’s fun and unique; the board banishment clutches a lot of games you had no right winning tbh.
Its odd that the white aura support wasnt mentioned here, as that is what really launched this deck into being more playable. They give them the opportunity to actually have a turn 1 board and the ability to play through more than 1 handtrap.
@@aceclover758 white sardine, white sunfish and white reïncarnation in the deck. White aura whale and white aura porpoise in the extra deck is almost mandatory. White aura monoceros is a card some include.
@@xraztecx Nice!! Ill take that advice. It’s just currently, Ghoti arent that good. I haven’t even lost to one Ghoti deck since the unfutonate thing is they are easy ti interrupt They need a new continuous spell card that prevents their effects from being responded too
Lair is more deserving of a placement here than ghoti and i love to play lair. P.s. everyone who rages in the comments and said its not a failed archetype defently didn't watched the whole video
Please make a “failed cards, etc.” video on Naturia! Or the seal of orichalcos arc cards! Also, how about a “top 10 cards NEVER restricted in any way, but were widely considered to be hit on a banlist” (ex. Dante) (And video #16 where duel logs doesnt read his comments)
My favorite Ghoti build is Turn 0 Ghoti. The main tech is 3 Hop Ear Squadron, 3 R-ACE Impulse and 1 Fire Attacker. Fire Attacker in particular enables turn 0 Baronne (in MD/OCG - Chengying otherwise), or Deep Beyond if you use its effect to get a fish in GY for ASS Dragon. It's not a very consistent build but it does kinda make up for how bad the deck is going 2nd.
He counts Ishizu as a failed deck because they were so overtuned to the point of all of them getting limited or banned. The only place they failed was in being well designed and balanced cards. Tournament results wouldn’t be any kind of objective.
Ghoti is suppose to make fun of how illogical the English language is. Now, the English Language is very dumb, but GHOTI is probably the most nonsensical way to go about proving it. It totally overlooks regional accents and I think that's why so many people still don't get it even after it's been explained. Silent Letters, Words that are pronounced the same but have different meanings depending on context, those are good examples that don't need nonsensical examples made up. Regional Accents are not. Every single language has them and there aint really anything to stop it from happening. In the case of Ghoti each letter is suppose to represent something, but the GH are the only ones that have any real legs. You're suppose to pronounce the "GH" sound like an "F" sound, but a lot of people don't do that. The more you attempt to explain it to someone who doesn't have that accent, the less sense the whole thing makes. the GH is suppose to sound like Rough, but Rough doesn't sound anything like Fish.
The whole point of the series is to highlight deck archetypes that have interesting gimmicks/playstyles that failed to do much in a tournament setting.
@@isoxj1810 But they have multiple Regional tops. By that logic Memento and Centur-Ion are already failures, because they don't consistently win major tournaments. That's like saying Gold Pride is a failed deck because they didn't warp the format around themselves
@@isoxj1810 lol, the point of the serie is to trigger playerbase for views, and there you are taking it srly hahaha Centur-ion never topped regionals, is a failure, am i rite?! hahahaha
@@Druid-T Regionals =/= YCS, no one plays serious at regionals, earlier this year everyone though Snake-Eyes wasnt the best deck because of its low regionals tops just for it to have more than 60% on top32 on the next YCS
I've tried it out in simulators, it's not good enough. The big problem is that they need something better than Askaan and Deep Beyond as boss monsters/disruption. Having other extenders and minor disruption is nice, but not nearly enough
Ghoti is GOATed. Love my freaky fish. Slip in Synchro Zone and a few "All cards get Banished" spells/traps and it's surprisingly easy to mess with people
It’s a failed archetype because it was low key the best deck for a while now but no one has yet to play it at a high level because they don’t like fish decks that down spam toad
Never knew your standard for decks is really that high, Mr. Logs......... All Joseph's teaching on fishes to Synchro summon got wasted for nothing........ 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
That ending speech was really cool, the storylike narrations really grew on me over the course of the video. I like how the ending talked about related cards that are good when playing a Ghoti deck, as well as that, honestly, they were/are still Good, even if they weren't a competitive success, and that they still have potential. I'd honestly like a series like this, where it's decks that are fairly good, kinda close to meta contention, but just not quite there, as opposed to the colossal flops like Genex and Toons I think calling it "Failed" is a bit much, but I get that the naming convention is part of the series, so, yeah
Ghoti is the Goat. One of my favorite decks. From the unique way of summoning to their absolutely gorgeous art work, that makes them look both alien but also something you could actually find in the deep oceans.
Ghoti is legit rogue and super fun to play. Call me and my parents all the names you like, but when you insult my Ghoti, you really offend me "deeply" and should expect some punches back (and kicks).
abuses the hell out of bannishment quick summons on opponents turn boss monster that literally banish-nukes the entire field (something NO other monster in the entire game does) boss monster that gets insane attack from bannished monsters works as a great engine for white auras,making them viable abuses the hell out of deepsea celocanth can be ran with sword soul can be ran with Metaphys can be ran with alot of fish based cards that destroy and bannish with little or no cost can be ran with cards like Moray of Greed which works as both engine starters and resource gathering can be ran with support cards like Necroface or soul absorption this deck is honestly among the better Water decks out there so to call it a failed archtype is honestly stupid.
If it ain't teir 1, it ain't worth shit. Apparently, that's the game state we are in now, and have been for a while. So many other archetypes should have come up before they guysbdid
Most archetypes in the series will soon or later get "The link-1 that searches the key card, but becomes an engine exploit in every deck except its own"
I hope the Ghoti get added to Duel Links at some point. It'd be interesting to see if they could succeed in that environment like many decks that couldn't succeed in the TCG have
Lacks a game plan? No Does it brick like hell? No Has a lack of or anti synergy whit in? No Does it have too low of a ceiling? No Loses to any one interruption? No Lacks play turn 1 or 2? No Then... what did Ghoti failed at? It doesn't win on its first turn
I played against this on Master Duel the other day and absolutely got my shit wrecked. I had never seen it before, and they banished all my Traptrix before I knew what even happened. Apparently space fish are just better.
What I think ghoti needs is a macro to synchro into or more protection so deep beyond’s effect can reliably go off. Also another engine that could fit into the deck would go a long way.
a macro would be toxic, we don't need fish-rise heart. plus that would make using ASS Dragon with it harder. honestly we just need better fish synchros to go into, there's only one playable one besides the Ghotis (White Aura Whale; none of the other White Aura synchros are worth the ED space IMO.) it's nice that it synergizes well with Chengying and that it can make Icejade Gymr easily, but neither of them are fish type so they can't be made with the quick synchro from the main deck tuners. Chengyng you can quick synchro with Hop-Ear Squadron and Gymr you can quick synchro with ASS Dragon and the main deck duners, but what would be nice would be a fish synchro that has an omni negate (Baronne de Fish or Borreload Savage Fish lmao) so the deck has something to go into besides the board wipe, especially since (if you play it right) the Deep Beyond wipe can trigger some on-banish effects and let you make Arianpos or something. Imagine if they had a level 6 or 8 synchro that let you banish a fish from your hand to quick effect omni negate on a SOPT, or just a generic HOPT omni negate on a level 10 fish synchro. That'd make the deck come together, as it would be an extra interaction that wouldn't let you put up a huge board of negates (at least in the TCG where the good generic synchro negates are now banned.)
it can play under shifter but Arianpos gets screwed by Shifter and Snopios needs fish in the grave to be able to recur itself, and you never want to run multiple Snopios since it's very searchable thanks to Arianpos, so half of the deck's recursion loop doesn't work under Shifter. but it can hang in there decently well for the two turns of Shifter, better than most decks. ironically, though, decks like Vanquish Soul do better running Shifter than Ghoti does, and Vanquish Soul gets nothing out of its cards getting banished. it's always pathetic when a banishing deck sometimes doesn't want Shifter active
Portuguese speaker here, the X in "peixe", the portuguese word for Fish is read like a "ch" in words such as chalk, also, the "pei" is pronounced just like the "pay" in "payton" So you would pronounce it as "payche" Hope this helps, also really like this new format of explaining the deck and why it failed
On MD, I was playing Paleo Exodia against a ghoti player and got them to concied after i stopped their Deep Beyond's lethal attack 6 turns in a row, man has never read a paleo in his life
i have Ghoti, i played Ghoti in MD, not a really good pilot too, so take my opinions with a grain of salt -Ghoti is a Turn 3 deck, thats why its bad Go Second. -lack of speed -dont have 1 card combo, since its synchro deck -need to do alot of setup, even though its very very Versatile, its still need alot of setup to pop off -only have disruptions, no Negations thats what i feel when piloting Ghoti in MD against these META
Everyone hates banish-focused decks because of Shifter, but Ghoti actually prefers not to use that because it still relies on the graveyard for a lot of effects. Its biggest crime is being too balanced.
Not on its own, but it does have one. The White Aura stuff can let you make Dragite without sacrificing any Ghoti set-up, and before that, Runick was a good way to get non-tuners while facilitating the Bystials and gaining other interruptions. Pure Ghoti definitely isn't the strongest, but "failed" is a stretch
And Duel logs features another archetype that is decently playable but haven't been used competitively as a "failed card and mechanic". Meanwhile the really unplayable decks like guardian and AoJ are yet to be featured.... Damn, I waited for a video for days and this is what I get. Woe is me
An AoJ video would literally be 5 minutes long there's genuinely nothing to talk about with that archetype at all. At least talking about Ghotti and it's shortcomings is an interesting process.
@@quijassajiuq900 The same way you talk about Ghoti's shortcomings can also be applied to AoJ, as well as how to fix/improve the archetype, especially considering AoJ actually IS an unplayably bad archetype unlike Ghoti, which is actually playable even if it's not competitive. The video can even go further than 5 minutes, considering Rata made a video about how bad AoJ is, and that video is more than 19 minutes long
@@leojamesquiambao1047 There's nothing interesting to mention about AoJ's shortcomings. It's an archetype that has no starters, no payoff, no gameplan and not a single piece of legacy support for over a decade now. The Ghoti actually has cards with effects that do things and have an iota of interesting effects to go over. They have strengths that can be highlighted. They have weaknesses that can be delved into. They have a direction that they can be pushed towards if given new cards. The closest thing that AoJ really had going for them is a synchro monster that was good in every other synchro deck. An AoJ "failed archetypes" video wouldn't even get past Flamvell in it's length. Rata's video going to 19 minutes is due to his video structure and isn't indicative of much. I know I said 5 minutes originally, that was intentional hyperbole to emphasize how nothing AoJ actually is.
That's correct, but point I was making is, Ghoti doesn't fit in a failed archetypes video like AoJ does. Real wish log makes discussion type videos about what non-meta archetypes need to be viable rather than lumping all of them under "failed cards and mechanics"
@@leojamesquiambao1047 Sure they do. If Ursarctics and even Ishizu's can make it into this series, even if one was "April Fools", anything can fit the series if there's enough to talk about. Ghoti have some glaring mechanical flaws that hold them back and are worth talking about.
"Failure archetypes" really started from "archetypes that can't do what they're supposed to do" to "archetypes that mostly consist of bad cards with few playable cards" to "archetypes with some good cards but need help outside their archetype to run properly" to "archetypes that can function normally but not consistent enough" to "archetypes that perfectly functional on their own and can be combined with other tools to be better, but they are just not tier 1"
It's almost like not every failed archetype is on the same degree of failure or something
It's Archetype Archive but with prejudice.
@@quijassajiuq900 It's almost like your idea of "failure" isn't the same as DuelLogs' original theme for the series. It's almost like people can sort things into tiers, themes, consistency and viability without resorting to just labelling them as failures. It's almost like you don't even perceive the problem people have with the growing broadness of this channel's use of the term, let alone understand it.
Eat a dick, mush-for-brains.
Especially given that there are plenty more actually failed archetypes that have yet to be covered.
That’s Yugioh now.
If it isn’t in tier 3 or above, it’s failed
I honestly kinda hate how the game got to a point where any given deck or strategy is either a top 1 meta contender or considered a failure and garbage. The deck functions properly, is built around a cool idea and is unique and beloved by many, that would never be considered a failure in any other game or context ever except YGO, sad
Is just him who say this 😅 Rougedecks are the most fun this is the important thing
that's how all competitive games work. At a tournament ONLY the best tactics and stratagy works. For casual there great, but for pros? There was always something with more dakka
Well in Duel Links, more decks have a lot of viability due to the slower pace of the game allowing for games to last beyond the first turn. Despite some rather overpowered skills (a common complaint), I find a ton of variety in deck building on PvP and find that most strategies that just don't cut it in the TCG or Master Duel are perfectly serviceable and even really good in Duel Links, and not just because of "meta chasing". They were careful not to add some of the most powerful searchers and negates and archetypes in the game that allow for cheese, and many of the comboes that do work are quickly banned or restricted, thanks to the mechanics of the ban list not just reducing the odds of a strategy working, but out right preventing it with another strategy (since you can only have 2 cards from the limited 2 ban list PERIOD, many archetypes end up being a choice of "either you can do this offensive strategy but have no defense, OR you can go with this defensive strategy but gotta tribute summon to get your main win condition on the field." thus balancing the game a lot more.
Also, in Duel links, trap cards are extremely useful. They aren't too slow as not many cards can wipe out back row and even if they can, a lot of cards generate advantage even if they are destroyed in DL, meaning you'll see a lot more "Bluffing" to bait out spell destruction. Also spell/trap negates are EXTREMELY rare. So you can use most spell and traps pretty safely. Dark Bribe is literally one of the few one card spell negates you can always just plop down IF you draw it. Ergo, in more restricted formats (basically ones that don't have Tears...) you can play some solid games, but as much as people like to sh8t on Duel links cause they can't do 30 minute FTKs in the game (which is somehow more fair than "SKILLZ TO THRILLZ") it's arguably the best way for causal players to enjoy the game. Also the pay to win aspect is BS. I've spent like $30 TOTAL in the 5 years I've played the game. You can get SO many jewels for free just playing PvP regularly. There's NO penalty for losing, so I don't know where they get that foolishness.
Played since PSV, the game has always been like that. If it isn't Tier 0 and costs a month's rent to build, might as well run nothing but normal monsters.
I never liked that attitude (even now that I have money and *could* build Snake-Eye but won't), but it is what it is
@@dragonkingofthestars never argued with that, nothing wrong with a competitive mindset and wanting to win especially when there's prizes to gain, the point is that the "casual" point of view basically doesn't exist anymore and it's ONLY competitive
Mr Logs and his hatred towards fish is becoming more apparent
Please, not Luca Paguro
Tuna PTSD.
Fuckin' fighting words calling Ghoti a failure archetype
Like what even is the criteria to be considered a failure here? this series used to be about unplayable doodoo, unfocused, unsynergistic archetypes and ill-conceived mechanics but now it seems like anything not meta relevant from release to right now qualifies, like, we got a former world champ in the series. Are we getting a "failed archetype: Snake-Eyes" 10 years from now?
edit: changed Ishizu to Blue-Eyes because I forgot that was an April Fools video.
His channel is nothing but "Top X" and "Failed archetype". I bet he wanted to talk about Ghoti and just decided to reuse the same name he always does, never mind if it's accurate.
@@HoveringAboveMyselfThe criteria is genuinely, literally just "This Archetype, if played pure, wouldn't be Meta".
It's been increasingly obvious ever since his Video on Morphtronics, seeing how in that one Logs straight-up went "Morphtronics are a legitimately good Archetype, they just couldn't keep up with the Competetive Scene" in that one.
Agreed
thats the issue with players today...unless it has a garunteed one card starter and somone can clinch the match on thier first turn ,a deck is "garbage"
Man I love the art design for this archetype
Same! Had never even heard of this archetype before this video, but the art alone has me really appreciate this cool lil rogue archetype. Whoever did the art designs for these cards did an awesome job!
low key think deep beyond is has the best card art of any yugioh card
In a yugioh filled with bait wifus, Ghoti have an outstanding design, captures the deep sea fish alien aesthetic perfectly.
The artwork alone is what made me build it. This video is goofy. I went x-2 in Vegas Regionals with Ghoti. I think what he means by "Failed Archetype" is "not tier 1".
Ghoti of the Deep beyond’s effect is “if” lmao
Why are we teaching the fish to synchro summon?
Why not?
What's next? Xyz? Fusion?
@@BmanZeroBlank pendulum?, link? Rush fish?
Because we are following the mission of our bussy lord MBT
@@fellowinternetstranger8700 only if it smells like.....fish. 🐟
Deep Beyond is an “if” effect not “when”
Okay good I lost my mind for a second
Yeah I had to double check as well. You'd have thought this would have had a correction and been re-uploaded given how a good section of this was devoted to this missing timing thing that doesn't exist but nah, can't have that video performance loss for the almighty algorithm I guess 🤷
Maybe he confused with white aura whale, who has a When effect
The word if is on the card as he's talking about its "when" effect.
If we're talking somewhat modern archetypes, I feel like Weather Painters and Amazement are probably more deserving here.
Bruh we really are calling any deck that isn't tier 1 a failure huh 💀
Speed, lack of support, never seen as competitive...
@augustoortiz1254 it was and can turn 0 kill with ease. Idk what your thinking
It doesn’t even die to shifter
Thats the standard though. If it isn not some uninteractable archtype that are all towers and/or a 1 card you win it is trash
@@GrieveIV Yeah, but you still don't want to play shifter
I main Ghoti, so here's the summary: They lack the sheer power of competitive decks, and need to snowball to win. The game is too fast for snowballing to be a solid strategy, but if you're somehow allowed the time to grow you can become a force to be reckoned with to all but the strongest decks. It's a very high end NOT competitive deck, but not competitive nonetheless.
So many people don't understand that a deck wining once in a while doesn't make a "failed" archetype compared to the ones that consistently are good. It also doesn't mean it's trash tier either, just it never hit it's stride
As a fellow Ghoti player I can tell you you can snowball into madness by the 3rd turn if you have the right cards. I white aura whaled 3 TIMES a yubel player recently
If you can get sonpious , zep, and piics into circulation you are probably gunna win he game most likley
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I really like Logs videos but holy shit, ghoti of all the shitty decks out there and being a TCG exclusive deck that really try so hard to make something new and Fresh a failure. For real?
The deck has Flaws but the deck has a solid gameplay, is not clunky, it doesnt brick themselve, have a good amount of starters, a massive and easy removal, good synchro options and non fish synchro option.
The deck is a solid deck and have many strategies and plays around many things but YGO is a game about not letting people play and be One-sided thats why a deck that lacks of any form of prevent your opp to play the game is a failure eventhough you wipe and banish all the board, if you let your opp have a turn u fail.
Next episode of failed cards, fire king.
Not failures anymore.
r/woosh
@@amru2497 "It can't beat Tears so therefore it sucks" - Every modern yugioh youtuber.....
LMAOOOO
Forgot unchained 😅
Idk man. Ghoti is still my favorite rogue deck right now
It's nor even rogue. It's meta. It's able to fish Synchro and banish on your opponents turn but do any Synchro on yours such as gymir, chengying, accel Synchro and more
@@nobody-xh6iicap, i love the fish and they are garbage, unnable to go second and die to 1 imperm/ash
@@nobody-xh6ii
Meta? With all 2 of its top placements ever? 0 on the OCG? I love Ghoti, I play it with Icejade, but I would never call it anything better than Rogue after their new support and straight up unplayable before it
Yeah same lol
@@Oxitono Dies to Ash? Wha? Summon Lifeless, gets Ashed. Activate Ready Fusion into Allvain and make Arion. Or 1f1 a Princess into Shif for Arionpos for setup even if Arion is negated. Fishborg reveal a tuner. Abyss Shark to search that and have materials for Coral.
Duel logs just calling anything a failure
Very true. He is quite a hypocrite about certain archetypes.
Im surprised he hasn’t called dark world a failure
duel logs better make a video about my life next week
@@humanyoutubeuser LMAO, funniest shit ever goddamn
That's because it's seen play with fable, thunder dragons and dangers@@starwarzfan71
It was a bit jarring to see this archetype be labelled as failed, but this series has changed in what it’s purpose was. Not every failed archetype is the same level of unplayable, and even good ones have extremely glaring flaws that are worth going over. Pretty good video, I like this a lot.
Yu-Gi-Oh desperately needs a tiering system like Pokemon. Ghoti wouldn't be OU, but it would be UU or RU.
"IF" THIS CARD IS SYNCHRO SUMMONED bro read the card it dont miss timming
I watched his stream a while back about how he does these videos. He just reads off a script and records it into audacity. The video is usually made by someone else afterward. And he has people writing his scripts now too, which is why the tone of voice has changed wildly multiple times over the past year. The current writer(s) have a "le epic bacon" way of speaking sometimes, it's really annoying. The quality of this channel is plummeting and I partially blame Logs spreading himself too thin between tons of channels and his vtuber agency thing.
Majespectors would probably have made alot more sense here tbh.
Even though it’s not seen as the GOAT, it’s not a bad archetype and it’s an interesting concept in terms of what the archetype does.
Its in my opinion a couple of cards away (they needs more spells maybe a continuous one that allows you to special summon a banished monster when one is banished) to be a great deck. Its in no way a failed archetype
@@evo3481 Yeah I agree and my joke at the beginning was definitely bad
It certainly is is the GOAT...i
@@PaperPilz You’re joke is better than mine 😂
@@rainbowdragon168 make all the jokes you can’t flounder
I love hitting people with inferno tempest and using cosmos to summon a 20000+ deep beyond
Bruhh
how do you get hit with 3k at once?
@@AnarchoCatBoyEthan the little ghotis(level 2) have 0 attack stats ,only defense value. Just tank a hit or purposely crash. I will be teching it from now on,really absurd. My friends will hate me now lol
I teched in Soul Absorption and Summoning Curse and some people will quit just off of that it's hilarious 😂😂😂. Makes me gain so many life points while boosting attack for Deep Beyond
Duel logs took an L with this video tbh
How does calling ghoti of the deep beyond a when effect get past any kind of double checking? The card is right there on the screen with the if plain and center
14:19 "is a when effect not an if effect" bruh, it literally says IF on the card
18:46 mentioning the obligatory joke about Ghoti can be pronounced as "Fish"
21:07 this section has basically become duellogs' showcase of any archetype he finds interesting to talk about. the only real condition to be show here being "they werent' a tier 1/tier 0 menace"
Someone's salty they lost to fish.
WTF!? Ghoti is actually a solid casual deck. Lots of non-meta decks are not shite @TheDuelLogs
This is kinda controversial, Ghoti to my knowledge has exactly 4 tournament tops, all of them though are only regional tournaments and none of the decks are pure Ghoti (mostly runick variants). It can be considered failed in the understanding of failing to reach its full potential. Its a fun deck that lacks in speed and needs to much set up for to little pay off, that could've been more meta relevant if it got a little more support.
Yeah I think people calling this deck kind-of a failure would be justified since half the cards are in fact garbage (I have ONLY seen near-pure Ghoti work in synchro events in MD where the banlist was heavy-handed enough to make it so you couldn't play full-power meta synchro decks, and also couldn't play Runick Ghoti or Superfishy Samurai.) But the main deck level 2s, Snopios, and the synchros (besides Guoglim lol) are legitimately good cards, arguably so is Psiics but I haven't played TCG format enough to test it out fully. Ghoti is rogue playable as an engine when paired with something else, but overall yeah pretty middling. Then again, Superheavy Samurai, when taken as a whole, is mostly made of bad cards, but the new support was so broken it needed multiple hits on the F/L list. So one could almost argue that archetype is a failure if you ignore a chunk of its cards and the fact that it's used more as an engine... same with Ghoti.
Next failed Archetype Evil*Live*Twins
ok but they are actually pretty mid, probably the worst deck to get shoved into spright just to make spright worse
Excuse me sir logs
At the 14:17 mark of the video, Ghoti of the Deep Beyond's on summon effect is an 'If' effect, not 'when'. Therefore, it will not miss timing.
Even the card on the video shows 'if' not 'when'
Next failed archetype: Exosister
Considering my Master Duel experience, it's possible
XD
Considering the fact that it came out as one of the worse archetypes at the time they where released, and failed to actually impact metas where the decks where based around the gy… ye it’s a big failure. This is coming from someone who bling’d out the deck too
It could be tbh xD
Lol they’re not nearly as bad as this, but it would be fine, they are a failed archetype, too easy to stop, and underpowered compared to its contemporaries. Cool new concept that didn’t get the support it needed, unlike other decks released alongside it.
Wait, hold up, what the fuck? I never noticed that before with Keaf being the bait of an angler fish.
Failure? It has regional tops and is pretty solidified in rogue. You can easily get to Master 1 with in MD and it’s fun to play. This is a reach
Yeah it's a bit too much. "Failed archetype" should be use for archetype that are noticeable bad, not for a rogue deck (+ Ghoti is an archetype that have a fun concept)
@@Animexdraco True, tbf a lot of the decks I see in this video series fall in that category. No surprise it's my least favorite of all his video series. Dude really needs to reconsider his concept of "failed card and mechanic"
@@leojamesquiambao1047 At first it feel coherent but now it's more "If it was not meta tiered then it's failed"
@@leojamesquiambao1047 hes just triggering the fanbase, one archetype at the time, and it works.
damn, if ghoti is on there, I can't wait to see my pet deck (scrap) on there!
I feel like calling any archetype that doesn't crack into the competitive meta a "failure" is a big reach. The deck is perfectly fine in a locals setting or the MD ladder, which is more than the huge majority of archetypes can say.
I think the only failure in this archetype is the pure lack of going second support. If they had proper spell cards and ways to fight past any negation on the starters it would be a more fun rogue deck
Why their field spell needed to be better
Maybe a continuous spell card that can protect Ghoti’s in the gy
Failure? I play Ghoti and honestly it can wreck top decks if piloted right. And it's got some decent synchros it can go into both on and off the opponent's turn.
Plus fish Synchro on the opponents turn and gymir, chengying and more on yours. No issues
Deck is trash stop the cope, what top decks are you talking about? This deck has never and will never do anything
@@marlonb.4017 I mean I've smoked full combo Snake-Eyes, Yubel, and some Fiendsmith nonsense with it. But then again you have your opinion and I have mine. I don't care about your opinion as much as you don't mine, so exit stage right please. 😊
So why arent you winning YCS back to back then?
@@gabrielgois8724 because I don't do tournaments? And just because a deck can wipe out good decks if played right doesn't always mean they WILL always wipe top decks. There's bound to be a sour spot here or there.
Never would imagine that Elden Ring's Elder Beast had an Yu-Gi-Oh archetype
I believe GHOTI came out way before ED
@@Salvare___000 I don't think so, because i remember when Ghoti fo the Deep Beyond was revealed people were making Elden Beast comparisons.
@@legeul they were apparently literally released at the same time lol
@@Salvare___000 Nope they weren't.
I doube checked and Ghotis were a TCG exclusive, released in Power of the Elements in August 2022, a few months after Elden Ring came out, so there was enough time for the TCG to get inspired by the Elden Beast when designing Ghoti of the Deep Beyond.
@@legeul check again, ghoti were released in a pack which was released in april 2022, a mere month after ED
I just had to come back after watching this, then right after they do this water/wind MD event...
This ghoti/white aura deck is actually pretty fukkn good.. Idk about with the TCG list, but I had to get rid of meta staples to add more fish but it honestly works better.
You can pull extra deck monsters based on what your opponent is doing and what things you need to get rid of. I've tried damn near everything but it took a ghoti/white deck to finally break platinum rate. Honestly the deck is probably tcg limited list compliant
TLDR: GHOTI GOOD
Ghoti is one of my favorite decks ! But yeah, it has a lot of issues. It dies very hard to interruption and really can’t take much advantage of going first. Still, it’s fun and unique; the board banishment clutches a lot of games you had no right winning tbh.
Putting Ghoti in the same video series as Union Monsters is wild.
Its odd that the white aura support wasnt mentioned here, as that is what really launched this deck into being more playable. They give them the opportunity to actually have a turn 1 board and the ability to play through more than 1 handtrap.
Rly? Care to share some advice, tips or which white aura to include?
I want to finish my Ghoti deck
@@aceclover758 white sardine, white sunfish and white reïncarnation in the deck. White aura whale and white aura porpoise in the extra deck is almost mandatory. White aura monoceros is a card some include.
@@xraztecx Nice!! Ill take that advice.
It’s just currently, Ghoti arent that good. I haven’t even lost to one Ghoti deck since the unfutonate thing is they are easy ti interrupt
They need a new continuous spell card that prevents their effects from being responded too
Triggering a fanbase with another failed card video any%
Obvious, but still a dumb move imo. Not to mention the people that genuinely defends the trolling.
Lair is more deserving of a placement here than ghoti and i love to play lair.
P.s. everyone who rages in the comments and said its not a failed archetype defently didn't watched the whole video
Please make a “failed cards, etc.” video on Naturia! Or the seal of orichalcos arc cards! Also, how about a “top 10 cards NEVER restricted in any way, but were widely considered to be hit on a banlist” (ex. Dante)
(And video #16 where duel logs doesnt read his comments)
My favorite Ghoti build is Turn 0 Ghoti. The main tech is 3 Hop Ear Squadron, 3 R-ACE Impulse and 1 Fire Attacker. Fire Attacker in particular enables turn 0 Baronne (in MD/OCG - Chengying otherwise), or Deep Beyond if you use its effect to get a fish in GY for ASS Dragon.
It's not a very consistent build but it does kinda make up for how bad the deck is going 2nd.
What would you define as a failed deck? I think that using competetive results gives an objective bar to pass vs how you feel about an archetype.
He counts Ishizu as a failed deck because they were so overtuned to the point of all of them getting limited or banned. The only place they failed was in being well designed and balanced cards. Tournament results wouldn’t be any kind of objective.
How did people figure out the Ghoti name meaning in the first place?
It’s been a joke of the English language for a long time.
It's actually an old meme
It's mentioned in every university-level English linguistics course.
Ghoti is basically the creative spelling of fish according to Google
Ghoti is suppose to make fun of how illogical the English language is. Now, the English Language is very dumb, but GHOTI is probably the most nonsensical way to go about proving it. It totally overlooks regional accents and I think that's why so many people still don't get it even after it's been explained. Silent Letters, Words that are pronounced the same but have different meanings depending on context, those are good examples that don't need nonsensical examples made up. Regional Accents are not. Every single language has them and there aint really anything to stop it from happening.
In the case of Ghoti each letter is suppose to represent something, but the GH are the only ones that have any real legs. You're suppose to pronounce the "GH" sound like an "F" sound, but a lot of people don't do that. The more you attempt to explain it to someone who doesn't have that accent, the less sense the whole thing makes. the GH is suppose to sound like Rough, but Rough doesn't sound anything like Fish.
They're not at all failed
The whole point of the series is to highlight deck archetypes that have interesting gimmicks/playstyles that failed to do much in a tournament setting.
@@isoxj1810 But they have multiple Regional tops. By that logic Memento and Centur-Ion are already failures, because they don't consistently win major tournaments. That's like saying Gold Pride is a failed deck because they didn't warp the format around themselves
@@isoxj1810 simp harder you L
@@isoxj1810 lol, the point of the serie is to trigger playerbase for views, and there you are taking it srly hahaha Centur-ion never topped regionals, is a failure, am i rite?! hahahaha
@@Druid-T Regionals =/= YCS, no one plays serious at regionals, earlier this year everyone though Snake-Eyes wasnt the best deck because of its low regionals tops just for it to have more than 60% on top32 on the next YCS
Ghoti is way lot more playable than Ice barriers
I mean thats not saying much when you can play them together
They’re also two completely different decks
Ghoti does an excellent job at giving useful support for fish synchro decks. It's also a primary engine in Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth turbo.
If Logs calling every non meta deck a failure im just waiting for him to call my Witchcrafter a failure at this point
LETSGOOO MORE GHOTI SUPPORT INCOMING
I've tried it out in simulators, it's not good enough. The big problem is that they need something better than Askaan and Deep Beyond as boss monsters/disruption. Having other extenders and minor disruption is nice, but not nearly enough
Yes please
Rogue decks are just better & more fun to duel with. I usually when with my Rogues more
Honestly, Ghoti, really? And before the likes of say Dream Mirror?
Ghoti is GOATed. Love my freaky fish. Slip in Synchro Zone and a few "All cards get Banished" spells/traps and it's surprisingly easy to mess with people
It’s a failed archetype because it was low key the best deck for a while now but no one has yet to play it at a high level because they don’t like fish decks that down spam toad
One time I managed to atk directly with a 13k Deep Beyond. That alone made my day.
Never knew your standard for decks is really that high, Mr. Logs......... All Joseph's teaching on fishes to Synchro summon got wasted for nothing........ 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
If Ghoti is a failure, then what do you call Metaphys?
Released "The Metaphys Archetype - Failed Cards and Mechanics in Yu-Gi-Oh" last year! It's also failed!
@@lilykoizumi Hah! I didn't know he released that. Yeah, they are worse than Ghoti for sure. I love them though.
@@hintonempire1178 there are dozens of us.
That ending speech was really cool, the storylike narrations really grew on me over the course of the video. I like how the ending talked about related cards that are good when playing a Ghoti deck, as well as that, honestly, they were/are still Good, even if they weren't a competitive success, and that they still have potential.
I'd honestly like a series like this, where it's decks that are fairly good, kinda close to meta contention, but just not quite there, as opposed to the colossal flops like Genex and Toons
I think calling it "Failed" is a bit much, but I get that the naming convention is part of the series, so, yeah
Ghoti is the Goat. One of my favorite decks. From the unique way of summoning to their absolutely gorgeous art work, that makes them look both alien but also something you could actually find in the deep oceans.
I think the ”failure” name of this series is more for clickbait/ search result optimization rather than saying all these decks are failures
true it definitely got me to comment and boost in the algorithm lol
Ghoti are fun in master duel, love the puzzle play with sharing your opponent's turn. They run well paired with white aura monsters.
My favorite synchro archetype bro come on💔
Ghoti is legit rogue and super fun to play. Call me and my parents all the names you like, but when you insult my Ghoti, you really offend me "deeply" and should expect some punches back (and kicks).
abuses the hell out of bannishment
quick summons on opponents turn
boss monster that literally banish-nukes the entire field (something NO other monster in the entire game does)
boss monster that gets insane attack from bannished monsters
works as a great engine for white auras,making them viable
abuses the hell out of deepsea celocanth
can be ran with sword soul
can be ran with Metaphys
can be ran with alot of fish based cards that destroy and bannish with little or no cost
can be ran with cards like Moray of Greed which works as both engine starters and resource gathering
can be ran with support cards like Necroface or soul absorption
this deck is honestly among the better Water decks out there so to call it a failed archtype is honestly stupid.
If it ain't teir 1, it ain't worth shit. Apparently, that's the game state we are in now, and have been for a while. So many other archetypes should have come up before they guysbdid
Most archetypes in the series will soon or later get "The link-1 that searches the key card, but becomes an engine exploit in every deck except its own"
I hope the Ghoti get added to Duel Links at some point. It'd be interesting to see if they could succeed in that environment like many decks that couldn't succeed in the TCG have
Just need one good spell starter and monster starter
Lacks a game plan? No
Does it brick like hell? No
Has a lack of or anti synergy whit in? No
Does it have too low of a ceiling? No
Loses to any one interruption? No
Lacks play turn 1 or 2? No
Then... what did Ghoti failed at? It doesn't win on its first turn
what? my fishy bois are great! you take that back!
I played against this on Master Duel the other day and absolutely got my shit wrecked. I had never seen it before, and they banished all my Traptrix before I knew what even happened. Apparently space fish are just better.
What I think ghoti needs is a macro to synchro into or more protection so deep beyond’s effect can reliably go off. Also another engine that could fit into the deck would go a long way.
a macro would be toxic, we don't need fish-rise heart. plus that would make using ASS Dragon with it harder. honestly we just need better fish synchros to go into, there's only one playable one besides the Ghotis (White Aura Whale; none of the other White Aura synchros are worth the ED space IMO.) it's nice that it synergizes well with Chengying and that it can make Icejade Gymr easily, but neither of them are fish type so they can't be made with the quick synchro from the main deck tuners. Chengyng you can quick synchro with Hop-Ear Squadron and Gymr you can quick synchro with ASS Dragon and the main deck duners, but what would be nice would be a fish synchro that has an omni negate (Baronne de Fish or Borreload Savage Fish lmao) so the deck has something to go into besides the board wipe, especially since (if you play it right) the Deep Beyond wipe can trigger some on-banish effects and let you make Arianpos or something. Imagine if they had a level 6 or 8 synchro that let you banish a fish from your hand to quick effect omni negate on a SOPT, or just a generic HOPT omni negate on a level 10 fish synchro. That'd make the deck come together, as it would be an extra interaction that wouldn't let you put up a huge board of negates (at least in the TCG where the good generic synchro negates are now banned.)
Ghoti is goated such a cool Mechanic, don't lose to Shifter
it can play under shifter but Arianpos gets screwed by Shifter and Snopios needs fish in the grave to be able to recur itself, and you never want to run multiple Snopios since it's very searchable thanks to Arianpos, so half of the deck's recursion loop doesn't work under Shifter. but it can hang in there decently well for the two turns of Shifter, better than most decks. ironically, though, decks like Vanquish Soul do better running Shifter than Ghoti does, and Vanquish Soul gets nothing out of its cards getting banished. it's always pathetic when a banishing deck sometimes doesn't want Shifter active
Portuguese speaker here, the X in "peixe", the portuguese word for Fish is read like a "ch" in words such as chalk, also, the "pei" is pronounced just like the "pay" in "payton"
So you would pronounce it as "payche"
Hope this helps, also really like this new format of explaining the deck and why it failed
On MD, I was playing Paleo Exodia against a ghoti player and got them to concied after i stopped their Deep Beyond's lethal attack 6 turns in a row, man has never read a paleo in his life
I love how all this failed videos, and yet monarch aren’t mention. MONARCH #1 WE WILL ALWAYS REIGN SUPREME ABOVE ALL OTHER ARCHETYPE
In time for the water wind event. Even has a ghoti in loaner
i have Ghoti, i played Ghoti in MD, not a really good pilot too, so take my opinions with a grain of salt
-Ghoti is a Turn 3 deck, thats why its bad Go Second.
-lack of speed
-dont have 1 card combo, since its synchro deck
-need to do alot of setup, even though its very very Versatile, its still need alot of setup to pop off
-only have disruptions, no Negations
thats what i feel when piloting Ghoti in MD against these META
Me getting Bodied by this dack every time I go against it
Ghoti of the Deep Beyond's text clearly says, "If this card is Synchro Summoned..."
Given the new stuff in Master Duel, I'm not too fond of the idea of Ghoti getting chopped...
I have never played Yugi-Oh and probably never will but I would buy these cards just to have for the sick art work and concept
I like gothis because they are cool space fishes that use the Vanish zone like a pit stop
Have you tried teaching the fish how to synchro Mr. Logs?
We JOEL-ing to this one!
I stopped playing after the 5Ds era, but if I would play, I would like to try this one. Seems really fun and the monsters look sick.
you have made a mistake. ghoti of the deep beyond is an if condition, not when.
You could do a top 10 cool card name list. It might not work as a full video, but maybe it would fit as a short or something if it can't
If I ever play yugioh online again I may need to check this archetype out; looks fun as heck to play
Ashened is a failed archetype. Ghoti are not.
I love ghoti, but I play the deck like a psycho and use it as an engine to summon earthbound immortal Chacu Challua because it’s funny
Yay, more Ghoti support after this video.
Everyone hates banish-focused decks because of Shifter, but Ghoti actually prefers not to use that because it still relies on the graveyard for a lot of effects.
Its biggest crime is being too balanced.
I love ghoti with all heart and it’s a bit of a shame to see it not live up to the potential I wish it had..
It wouldn't surprise me if he says that tearlaments are a failed archetype if it falls off the meta.
Could you make a video with the best fish monsters and the best fish deck?
Gonna get dragged to the depths for this one, Mr. Logs
Ghoti sadly is just too focused on the opponents turn. Not enough of a game plan on your own turn. Could be wrong tho.
Fish Synchro on opponents turn, gymir, accel synchro, chenying and such on yours. Not slow at all
Not on its own, but it does have one. The White Aura stuff can let you make Dragite without sacrificing any Ghoti set-up, and before that, Runick was a good way to get non-tuners while facilitating the Bystials and gaining other interruptions.
Pure Ghoti definitely isn't the strongest, but "failed" is a stretch
Bro? This is click bait,you don't know the power of the fish
And Duel logs features another archetype that is decently playable but haven't been used competitively as a "failed card and mechanic". Meanwhile the really unplayable decks like guardian and AoJ are yet to be featured....
Damn, I waited for a video for days and this is what I get. Woe is me
An AoJ video would literally be 5 minutes long there's genuinely nothing to talk about with that archetype at all. At least talking about Ghotti and it's shortcomings is an interesting process.
@@quijassajiuq900 The same way you talk about Ghoti's shortcomings can also be applied to AoJ, as well as how to fix/improve the archetype, especially considering AoJ actually IS an unplayably bad archetype unlike Ghoti, which is actually playable even if it's not competitive. The video can even go further than 5 minutes, considering Rata made a video about how bad AoJ is, and that video is more than 19 minutes long
@@leojamesquiambao1047 There's nothing interesting to mention about AoJ's shortcomings. It's an archetype that has no starters, no payoff, no gameplan and not a single piece of legacy support for over a decade now.
The Ghoti actually has cards with effects that do things and have an iota of interesting effects to go over. They have strengths that can be highlighted. They have weaknesses that can be delved into. They have a direction that they can be pushed towards if given new cards. The closest thing that AoJ really had going for them is a synchro monster that was good in every other synchro deck.
An AoJ "failed archetypes" video wouldn't even get past Flamvell in it's length. Rata's video going to 19 minutes is due to his video structure and isn't indicative of much. I know I said 5 minutes originally, that was intentional hyperbole to emphasize how nothing AoJ actually is.
That's correct, but point I was making is, Ghoti doesn't fit in a failed archetypes video like AoJ does. Real wish log makes discussion type videos about what non-meta archetypes need to be viable rather than lumping all of them under "failed cards and mechanics"
@@leojamesquiambao1047 Sure they do. If Ursarctics and even Ishizu's can make it into this series, even if one was "April Fools", anything can fit the series if there's enough to talk about. Ghoti have some glaring mechanical flaws that hold them back and are worth talking about.