"A man can consume water, but he can only create urine" "A dog may defecate on the lawn, but he can not clean it up" "A testicle may hang, but it does not hang alone" The Rings of Power School of Writing.
Why does Galadriel need to avenge her brother's death? Elves are literally immortal & cannot die until the world ends. He returned to the Halls of Mandos & got a new body. He may be wandering around Valinor right now. She could have seen him if she stayed on the stupid ship for 3 more minutes. What a total moron.
In addition, galadriel had been in middle earth for all the events of the silmarillion and she probably witnesed all of the shit that unfolds. Therefore, Galadriel must be the wisest being in the realm but in amazon's trash, she is just brain dead
yeeeeeah, that's the thing about Galadriel's motivation that completely fucks this show from the opening prologue.... Everyone she acts like she's lost is waiting for the dumb bint in Valinor, all she has to do is not throw herself into the ocean and her problems are solved She does what she does because she's selfish and short-sighted.... Galadriel..... oy.....
Why is Galadriel so obsessed with her dead brother when she's got a missing husband out there somewhere. She spends all season consumed with vengeance about her brother being killed, and then at the end someone asks where her husband is and she's like "oh I think he got killed too, don't know".
Imagine getting into a fancy restaurant. You order a fine lobster. When the waitress brings your order, you notice that it smells bad and that it also does not look like lobster. You taste it and it's terrible. It's not even lobster, it's just a microwaved kani. You get pissed about it and decide to call the manager. When you tell the manager what happened, he tells you that you don't understand lobster. The manager gets angry, looks extremely offended. He hugs the waitress and tells you that you did not like the food just because the waitress is black. You are confused as the rest of the crew calls you "patently evil".
Gross. Your analogy makes my love of sea food suspect. You are a writer for RoP. I know it! That's how you tricked me into reading the whole comment. Farts are more fresh. Thanks 🤮
"the sea is always right" was clearly meant to be their "winter is coming". They truly believed that people would be going around saying "the sea is always right".
I don't even understand what "the sea is always right" is supposed to even mean. Winter is coming is so good because it's multilayered in its meaning and can be used in so many different contexts. The sea shit is just nonsense that doesn't even make sense in its own story
Highkey they had no idea how to make Numenorians, so they just said "Lets make the Greyjoys but less bloodthirsty" and called it a day. "What is dead may never die" is 20 thousand leagues better than "the sea is always right."
@@TwistedTeaRex the Numenoreans religious aspect is removed entirely, their cult of Eru the One, their reverence for the Valar, or Lords of the West is absent and so on (though in part it's because most of that information is in other text to which Amazon had no licensing rights), otherwise there may be some phrases like invoking the Valar...in lotr alone we see the Dunedain of Gondor use phrase: "'May the Valar turn him aside! " Gandalf also while crowning Aragorn says: "Now come the days of the King, and may they be blessed while the thrones of the Valar endure!" There are really no specific phrases or words that one could be arc words like the mottos of the Great Houses in Westeros in GoT (well at times some battle cry, the Dwarves have their standard "Baruk Khazad. Khazad ai-menu" but funnily enough they are not used in any live action adaptation I think :)), but one may find a few phrases of poignant meaning that could be key in depicting important things or motives. The spirituality of the Numenoreans and so on could lead to them having faith in higher powers and destiny, so let's say: Valar valuvar “the will of the Valar will be done” á vala Manwë! "may Manwë order it!" Manwe is the Elder King and that title is mentioned in appnedices and the elvish language use would be appropriate...for some reason the show about a world of a man who loved linguistics, simply neglected that aspect! (by the way I would say that even the naming conventions of Tolkien are not respected for most of the names in the show are so unoriginal or do not conform into any traditions of cultures within this world) The script writers of Amazon simply put fail to write dialogues in the context of this world, in-universe perspective and cannot evne compare to the mastery of Tolkien when it comes to language and ability of writing epic lines! The sea is important part of Numenor's culture but what the show tries to do with it, some weird ritualistic mantra of 'the sea is always right;' is so cringe! It's nonsense that can be used to justify more nonsense and just doesn't have any meaning, but funnily enough when the show reveals that Elendil's wife drowned...haha would they say then the sea was right? On one hand the fact that Amazon doesn't have access to other text is good because they will not butcher them, on the other it is a bit of a shame considering how many memorable lines one could use, pieces of dialogues that exist in the written text: "Then men grew afraid. 'Behold the Eagles of the Lords of the West!' they cried. 'The Eagles of Manwë are come upon Númenor!' And they fell upon their faces. Then some few would repent for a season, but others hardened their hearts, and they shook their fists at heaven, saying: 'The Lords of the West have plotted against us. They strike first. The next blow shall be ours!' These words the King himself spoke, but they were devised by Sauron."
@@fantasywind3923 I would have to think part of it is the idea of spirituality and divine power offends the writers and they just don’t have the rights to get into it. I don’t know which reasoning is most responsible.
I care that there are black Elves. Tolkien created an entire world, with many different people and skin colours. It's just that the stories he wrote focused on the West of that world (the equivalent of Europe) as he was a scholar of European languages, folklore, and history. The Elves are described as "fair", meaning pale. He described his works as "a mythology for England", you can't just take that and say there aren't enough black people in it. If someone created "a mythology for Ethiopia" you'd be offended if someone wanted to add white people for no reason. I care that they've taken a European medieval fantasy and added modern American race politics into it.
people might get offended at the opposite because of the history of white washing. Ther is no history of black washing, and also, black people are not in power and causing whites to be second classed. if we had a different past and recent past, then race swapping and gender swapping all over the place would be fine with everyone who is not some nerd over the original fiction. Also, I do love that people were ok with many other changes that massively vioalte canon, but some black elves? OH NOES!!!!
@@xBINARYGODx ah its u again.U say there is no black washing bro have u seen the new cleopatra documentary? History is being blackwashed too by some misguided hollywood insiders.
@@xBINARYGODx Black people (and minorities in general) kind of are in power causing "whites" to become second-class citizens. The Scottish government are advertising jobs specifically for "BAME" people (Black, Asian, & Minority Ethnic). White people aren't allowed to apply. That's discrimination on the basis of race from a national government, in other words, institutionalized racism. The Scottish First Minister is a Pakistani Muslim by the way. Segregation is everywhere nowadays. Students in universities can set up segregated clubs, barring white students from joining. And critical race theory is being taught to kids- making white children feel guilt for things they didn't do. And a white man can get arrested for posting a meme because it might be misconstrued as offensive, meanwhile black and Asian people can hurl racial slurs at white people and nothing happens. That's privilege. And there IS a history of black washing, we're living in it: Heimdall from Thor, Nick Fury from The Avengers, Annie from Annie, Ariel from The Little Mermaid, Tinkerbell from Peter Pan & Wendy, Queen Anne Boleyn from Channel 5's Anne Boleyn, Achilles from Troy: Fall of a City, Angrboða from God of War: Ragnarok, Queen Charlotte from Bridgerton, Electro from The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Mary Jane from Spider-Man: Homecoming, Margaret of Anjou from The Hollow Crown, Friar Tuck in BBC's Robin Hood, and worst of all Queen Cleopatra VII in Netflix's so-called "documentary" Queen Cleopatra. There are a hell of a lot more than that. The past 10 years has been full of it and it's just growing and growing. Back when I was young, seeing some black characters wasn't a big deal because you could tell it was done colour-blind, because they were a good actor. Now, you know it's done for political reasons. And it feels forced. And no, I wasn't okay with the changes that violate canon. Because I wanted an accurate adaptation. I didn't like how Sauron was portrayed by a Northern-English man, and not as an Elf in his fair form. I didn't like how Gandalf was included, as he didn't set foot on Middle-Earth until around 1000 years later, and he didn't arrive in a meteor as a naked mute. I didn't like how Celebrimbor didn't know what an alloy was even though he was the greatest smith in the world. I didn't like how female Dwarves didn't have beards. I didn't like the inclusion of "Harfoots", as they're said to have not done anything of note at this time- and the writers insistence on not calling them Hobbits was purely for legal reasons, as Harfoots are literally a group of Hobbits. And I especially didn't like the mischaracterization of Galadriel as an angry, mean, idiotic girl-boss. I liked none of that shit. And yes, I'm a "nerd over the original fiction", or in other words: a fan. I like something, I enjoy it. I respect the work of the author and I don't want to see it bastardized.
Yer I don’t think so either ! I don’t even think they writers they maybe used an AI programming to write. No there ok. I hope they don’t read my comment I don’t like criticising others art & I don’t like bully other & j can’t write nothing to save my life
One. Billion. Dollars. One of the most respected franchises of all time. Rings of Power could have been one of the greatest series ever made. Instead Amazon handed it over to a pack of activists and let them mangle it beyond recognition.
I mean, it really could never be that great because it was ultimately fanfiction... I don't think much of writers who have to use other actual creators worlds and stories to create.
Unfortunately, with monopolies like Amazon, people like Bezos can destroy and corrupt whatever they want until they eventually die because this corrupted world runs on fiat currency.
@@reek4062 I'm using it as a sort of umbrella term for the Middle-Earth stuff. And it is a franchise now, especially with all the movies and merchandise, etc. It's gone beyond the novels, but at the same time, the novels are, and will always be at heart of, and the true inspiration, for it.
@@Vaquix000Personally, I believe that in the hands of people who understood the source material, and genuinely cared about it, and had the right talent, we could have still ended up with something special.. For a long time I believed that it was impossible to adapt the Lord of the Rings into a movie. And then I saw the first trailer for the Fellowship of the Ring and it was like seeing the book come to life. (in contrast, with the Rings of Power, I was thinking 'WTF am I watching?'). To be fair, they cut a lot out, and they probably needed magic to make it really faithful, but it was still an incredible accomplishment. I don't believe it's impossible for another good storyteller - even if they weren't masters of the written word like Tolkien - to come up with something worth watching. Unfortunately, Rings of Power never stood a chance. Politics came first, and Amazon weren't even trying to make a true adaptation. They basically made up their own thing and threw in a few Middle-Earth names here and there. .. And the result was completely unrecognisable.. Ultimately, it came down to the people involved, imo. They weren't trying to serve the story, like Peter Jackson and his people had. They were trying to get it to serve them. And that's where they really messed up.
some lines from lord of the rings (both the movies and the books) literally changed me as a person. most notably the exchange between frodo and gandalf: "i wish it need not have happened in my time." "so do i. and so do all who live to see such times. but that is not for them to decide. all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.” like that quite literally changed the way i make decisions and think about my life.
The Lord of the Rings was written by a WWI veteran who actually had to go through intense struggles to be forged into the legendary story teller that he was. The people who wrote and directed this were likely all trust fund babies whose only struggle was when the cafeteria in college ran out of vegan pizza.
Big of you to assume they have ever struggled, let alone their cafeteria running out of the organic, and very much humanely raised and watered vegan pizza.
@@alexporter7379 They probably demanded to speak with the manager when the vegan pizza ran out and threatened to make them lose their jobs cause they didn't satisfy their egoistic and self centered "well being"
As a big Tolkien fan, I remember thinking to myself: This guy sure looks life Gandalf, but this is the Second Age and he didn't set foot on Middle-Earth until the Third Age, and he didn't arrive in a meteor, he arrived in a boat like the rest of the Istari. So it can't be him, can it? They wouldn't mess that up, would they? But of course it was him, because they don't give a fuck about the story. They're telling their own garbage story with some familiar names thrown in.
They made them look like less than average humans with pointy ears, that was the crazy part. If they'd only missed the illuminating quality, the grace of movement and the long, flowing, full head of hair, that would have been it to begin with. But they traded in piercing, distinct, unique features for actors like Benjamin Walker, who looks more suited to playing a Leprechaun of the Emerald Isle than an Elf of Tolkien.
Man its gonna tough for Galadriel to defeat a snow troll that just took out an entire unit of elite elf soldiers… Actually it’s going to be super easy, barely and inconvenience!
My favorite part was when Sauron towered over Isildur and said, "The sea is only right on occasion." Isildur took up his father's sword and said, "The sea is ALWAYS right." Before vanquishing him. Truly one of the moments of tolkien adaptations.
The obsession with having a 'catchphrase' or some sort of arc words or a quotable iconic phrase is probably the remnant of their purpose it's not a mystery that the Amazon or it's chief wanted their own 'Game of Thrones' style show their next big thing...and there were certain phrases in that one :)...but if they really had to I guess they should have used the words of Sauron himself from Lotr appendices...ironically the only spoken line in the material they have access to hahah: "And Sauron lied to the King, declaring that everlasting life would be his who possessed the Undying Lands, and that the Ban was imposed only to prevent the Kings of Men from surpassing the Valar. 'But great Kings take what is their right,' be said." And those words....though technically the story has not even reached the point where they would be spoken :)...could have been used for a certain thematic purpose...that is exploration of what is the nature of kingly power and contrasting it, the tyranny of someone like Sauron himself or evil Pharazon, indeed if they were smart they could have use the arc words in exploring that the kings cannot truly take what is their right just like that...tyranny versus kingship, as there are many kings or so as characters that are imporant, we have elvenking Gil-galad, kings of Numenor, king of the Dwarves, king of Moria, this could have served some deeper purpose....but nope such things are alien to the way of thinking of the corporate hacks of Amazon!
First, I am a black Latino person, that being said, the use of diversity where it is not needed took me out of the show. There are non white people in the original LOR but they are consistent with the geography of the world the story is based on. This is northern Europe in the middle ages, not in the 2020s, so no, I don't enjoy this diversity and inclusion BS here. You want black ppl in legendary middleage stories, make them based in Africa,I'm pretty sure there are compelling stories about VIII century African life you could make shows about.
I have said the same thing to people who justify re-wirting characters that are based on European lore, history or mythology. There were Kingdoms (pre-slavery including the medieval period that were thriving) VS the ones that did grow, developed and benefited by trading other Africans to Europeans for goods (Until the SH### backfired). If people stop obsessing over the translatlantic slave period (Yes a period in African history, 1700 and 1850 when the trade was prominent and as early as1600s). They will discover Africa had Kingdoms, Mythology and Lore outside of just North Africa (Specifially Egypt). And make movies surounding that Lore and history. Anytime you focus on Kingdoms during the time of the slave trade. You don't focus on the history of that Kingdom, Culture or people but you get distracted with the debates/talk surrounding the slave trade with the "White Man" and eventually colonization. The the Lore or Mythology that the people believed in and what the Kingdoms/people were like pre-Europeans are overshadowed. I only listed a few to give an examples of prior dates but there are others. Ghana Empire - 830 C.E. to 1235 C.E. Nubian/Kush Empire - 2000 BCE onward to 1504 AD Mali - 1226-1670 (Focus can be prior 1600's before the mass slave trade) Ethiopian Empire - 1270-1974 (Ethiopia never colonized) Songhai - 1464-1591
At the very least the ethnicities should have distinct groups that live in distinct areas. Everyone in the Southlands should be one distinct ethnic group, Numenor should largely be another though if they did alot of trading you could mix it up more, the Harfoots should be all one group, and the elves should be another. Hell even in the 90s as a kid in the area of the state I live in wasn't exactly brimming with a variety of ethnicities. There were some African Americans. With maybe some Mexicans. I had such little diversity in my area that when I went to DC on a school trip I was blown away by all the accents I heard. Even now nearing my 40s it isn't exactly cosmopolitan but moreso than in the 90s. A time period that is medieval like is going to have less diversity than late 20th century barely suburban America.
Nzingha of Angola was a fascinating woman, although not uh, exactly the most moral. She is apparently rumored to have killed her own brother to become ruler. She did many things, both good and not-so-good.
Rings of Power is great enterntainment value. Countless hours of TH-cam videos ripping this thing apart in creative, hilarious and hilarious creative ways. And that at no extra cost!
Sauron was the GOOD guy in ROP. He was repenting and the reason why he told Galadriel he wasn't king was because he had been telling her since day 1 he wasn't king and the trinket she said proved that was just something he found. ROP made Galadriel the sole reason why millions would die. Because she forced a repentant darklord back into evil.
…and then…and then…and then… this has to be some sort of money laundering scheme by Amazon. There is no way this could be the most expensive show ever made. Where did the money go?!?
I read somewhere that if a project like this has diversity and inclusion in it and fails that the government will bail them out. Pretty much compensation them completely. I can't remember where I seen that but if I find it I'll post it. It's strange, that's for sure. All these projects failing. It's like a funnel of money but where is it going??
Celebrimbor, the grandson of the elf who essentially started the entire story and the craftsman who made the Silmarils, who inherited his grandfather’s gift of crafting was told about Alloys as the great secret. They didn’t even TRY to spice it up with magic or words of incantation unknown to Celebrimbor. Nope. Just plain old “haha two metals go “wooo magic”” Yeah. No.
This show made Galadriel not only a girl boss but a karen as well, always looking for the manager and then threatens them of being cancelled. And oh, they made her stupid as well.
32:40 - "You have not seen what I have seen" Elrond as a small child saw his home destroyed, his mother lost + thought dead and everyone he ever knew killed by fellow elves. He and his brother were only spared because the two remaining kin-slaying sons of Feanor felt bad for them. Galadriel is sad because her brother is dead. He was not gruesomely tortured to death or stabbed in the back by a deceitful enemy, he died a soldier's death on the battlefield, fighting a war which he and all the other elves signed up for in spite of all the gods strongly urging them to let it go and stay in Valinor. The Orcs are never shown to do anything exceptionally malicious to either enemies or prisoners, the battles depicted are glossed over far too quickly to leave an impact on the audience and since Galadriel shows little regard for the elves under her command and laments no one's death except her brother's, it's obvious he is the only person who has died in last couple thousand years that she actually cares for. Compare that to John Rambo where the apocryphal lore states every notch in his knife stands for a close friend he lost in Vietnam. Show don't Tell, RoP; you failed at both.
Aaand all of the male elves look like far too old humans of barely average attractiveness. They're not elves. The same goes for Halbrand. The reason why I was convinced from the beginning that he couldn't be (or rather shouldn't be) Sauron was his middle-aged meh human looks. Put any of these guys with their embarrassing dialogue and direction next to Thranduil, Blanchett-Galadriel or Arwen and WEEP
The fact Guy-ladriel survived having her flesh vaporized from her bones by a fast approaching volcanic pyroclastic flow is bad enough and makes even Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom’s version look realistic by comparison.
"Fanfiction is written by people who have a genuine love for the intellectual property, Rings of Power seems like it was written by people who think they can improve of something that is already beloved" (#facts)
Keep in mind that Peter Jackson spent about eight years in total making the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Filmmakers and show runners today are incapable of the time, dedication, and passion required to properly adapt a world as grand and epic as Tolkien's
It was super boring, not to mention a total slap in the face to the lore. They made the actual cool characters like Elrond and Celebrimbor, basically two of the most powerful elves in all of Middle Earth, dry and lame, and then shoved characters that we don't know or care about in our faces. That and the writing was bad. In one scene the Harfoots sing a song saying that they don't leave anyone behind, then later they tell a hobbled man that they are going to leave him and his family behind. In one scene the blinded queen doesn't want her men to know that she's blind, then in the next scene she's got a blindfold over her eyes. I mean, if you're going to contradict your own writing, go for it, but, man, it's cringe-worthy.
Based on the rhetoric of the black actress playing the dwarf, I thought she would be the insufferable character. But I loved her character. Marketing needs to stop with the “I am first race person to play very specific person in very niche media.”
I suspect the reason so many characters in this show say Galadriel like "Ga-la-thri-el" is because someone in the production watched the Lord of the Rings and heard the pronunciation of Galadhrim and thought that Galadriel's name could be pronounced similarly (In Tolkien's elvish language Sindarin, "dh" is pronounced as a voiced "th" sound.) When Peter Jackson created The Lord of the Rings trilogy, he had linguists to make sure the pronunciation of the elvish languages was as accurate as possible. Obviously, this was another thing Amazon couldn't care less about.
Thank you for acknowledging that fanfiction is in fact written by FANS of an IP. Too many people refer to terrible writing in hollywood as being "fanfiction tier" and it really bothers me. I have read some DAMN good fanfictions in my time, some were so wonderfully written and so finely crafted that it is a shame the writer did not make any money off of their hard work and incredible talent. Hollywood wishes they had writers half as good.
Honestly, at this point they should go to AO3 and hire authors to write franchise scripts, at least then it will be done by people who don't proactively hate those stories and fandoms.
@@justwonder1404 Absolutely. I know at least one fanfiction writer (though there are likely many more) who is a published author of original works outside of what they create for free for the fandoms they love... imagine how good a story could be with an author who loves the IP so much they are willing to work on multiple massive projects out of passion rather than just to get paid... we need to remember that writers are not just a cog in the machine for making media; they are technically commissioned artists, and we should find ones that are actually interested in and knowledgable about a franchise before dumping buttloads of money into a careless project and forced diversity training. This is why I am excited to see what Henry Cavill is going to do with Warhammer; finally a wealthy nerd who is committed to the lore and cares about the fans.
As another LOTR fan i avoid it like Gandalf avoids the one ring but atleast the one ring is tempting ROP is just a giant pile of cow shit and that's an insult to cow shit
So basically Sauron becomes the Dark Lord because...he got friendzoned by Guy-ladriel. That is basically the whole point of the show. You know, if one of the Harfoots was revealed to be Sauron, that would actually be a banger since they are the true evil of this show. Remember everyone, nobody walks alone 🤣
This is probably the saddest thing about it all! Or at least they could have payed their employees a bit better or made huge X-MAS parties for orphans.
A little information: The inclusion of mithril's creation was not only not in any of Tolkien's wirting, notes, or letters, it contradicts what was actually written by Tolkien in the same book that this abomination of a show was based. All 3 silmarils' final locations are part of the universe with symbolic meaning that pays off in the other stories(Hobbit & LoTR).
These two writers simply did everything Tolkien in his letters about adaptation told the adaptators not to do :) - Distortion of charachters - from good to evil, from wise to stupid, changing their goals and their images - check, - Adding of charachters without anything to do - check, - Complicating of chronology - check, - Adding nonsensical allegory (politics) - check, - Adding not needed, nonsensical magic (magic signs and magic swords) - check, - Adding nonsensical fight scenes - check, - Not focusing on any of main moral themes of the books, So yea, what an acomplishement 🤣 I can not wait for 2 season's... comical reviews - its much more fun than the actual show.
how can the androgynus beings be nazgul? i thought nazgul were human kings corrupted by the rings. at RoP there were no rings yet no? how did i not get that :D
aside from the utterly farcical warping of the timeline of events, making the presence and occurrence of specific characters completely illogical in the show's timeline- the nazgul couldn't have been female, the rings were only given to nine kings. It genuinely messed with my brain to not see a single male actor portray one of the nazgul. embarrassingly egregious.
58:46 Also, they took a fucking pyroclastic cloud to the face and somehow survived with only a light coating of volcanic ash on them. Even for a fantasy show, that's bullshit!
Gandalf 2.0 really being Gandalf was so unimaginative 😂 I love mystery boxes, but it requires writing skills to pull off. Which the writers don't have. Look how they turned Galadriel into the villain responsible for all the bad that happens between the start of ROP and the end of the War of the ring 😂 But the big bad is Amazon : They asked the writers to tell a story for which they didn't have the rights ! Who thought it had a chance to be good ???
True. They seem to have based him heavily off the ultimate comics that came before the mcu. He is black in thos2 comics. Nick even makes a joke in those comics that if they ever made a movie about him, he'd pick saumuel l. J.
The scam represented by this series was already hinted at by the promotional videos with the "influencers" of the different countries. There is nothing epic: the characters are either lousy opportunists (see proto-hobbits, who leave their more unfortunate companions at the mercy of wolves); some idiots (see Celebrimbor, who gets screwed at zero speed by someone he has known for less than ten minutes...so much for Annatar's decades of patient waiting), or again they are put there just to be bait for the audience, the classic "guess who?". Not to mention the fact that the casual spectator cannot understand anything from the initial prologue, and just to underline some issues left open by the incipit: -What, exactly, was Valinor? What do the two trees represent? -Who is Morgoth? How did he destroy trees? - why couldn't the elves plant more? - What is a silmaril? -why should mitrhil be vital for elves? -Since when do elves need a recharge? -since when did middle-earth become a parody of today's world (with "job-stealing elves", and other modern amenities)?
Having watched the Rings of Power first, it then made watching House of the Dragon one of the greatest experiences ever. It was like comparing scrambled diarrhea to filet mignon. They did Tolkien dirty af.
The 3 elven rings were forged in the year 1590 of the second age, at that time Galadriel would be 3483 years old ; 1255 years older than Celebrimbor, 1753 years older than Gil-galad and 1835 years older than Elrond. Yet she acts like the youngest and most immature character in this show.
I thought exactly the same. The only characters in the rings of power that are older than Galadrrrrriel are sauron and gandalf. And yet the five and six year olds in the Kindergarten i work at for the most part are more mature than galdrrrrrrrriel.
Her strengths were her wisdom, intelligence, and ability to read others. She was never fooled by Sauron. Yet that wasn't good enough, they turned her into an entirely inferior character and her only flaw of pride was inflated 10 fold. She's more of a villain than the actual villain.
Also, as someone from Scotland... Apparently the "hobbits" are meant to be Irish but half of them have Scottish accents. It's as if they went "well Americans won't be able to tell the difference, they kinda sound the same so who cares" not realising, it's not only Americans watching it
"Commander of the Northern Armies" means nothing at all, it's literally a title they invented to make her sound cooler. Cause y'know, everyone loves North stuff like in Game of Thrones. We're clever, don't you see? I cringe so hard my face implodes whenever I hear that 'title' spoken unironically.
"The north remembers" - A line to establish that the one speaking it, is loyal to house stark. Was proven right several times. "The sea is always right" - Do they have spiritual leaders who can speak to the sea? Is it something seamen say when something goes wrong on a vojage? And "sweep them like salt from a table"?! Okay...a little bit of headcanon: the writer responsible for the line has a glass-table and spilled some salt. Brushed it off with his sleeve and thought:"hey....thats pretty easy!" I am like 99% percent sure the peasants of middle earth dont have fucking glasstables. have you ever tried sweeping salt off A FUCKING WOODEN TABLE?! or hell....even marble. Oh...and funfact: Sandstone cant be in granite. except the dwarfs can mine so deep that the temperature is +1000°C or something like that. THEN you could catch sandstone which isnt granit yet.
"Their friendship is the only thing I liked" Allow me to ruin that for you. A lot of hinges on the strength of their relationship, but why are they friends, what is it based on? I will tell you why, because Legolas and Gimli are and the writers wanted to abuse your nostalgia.
What really shocked me is how they managed to write side characters that are more interesting than the main characters. The main characters are so devoid of personality and character development that any other character easily steals the scene by putting a minimum of effort in writing them. Side characters like Durin or Kemen have much more interesting interaction and feel like actual people, even Disa is interesting. Granted I didn't finish the season, but it seemingly didn't improve.
I don't think you need to be a Tolkien nerd to find this show unwatchable. I tried to watch it as a "so bad it's funny" thing (like Game of Thrones season 8 for example) but everything about this show is so aggressively nonsensical that it's boring to watch. Regardless of whether you're expecting a Tolkien story, or you choose to view it as a separate story in a Tolkien-inspired world, it won't be able to keep your attention because nothing people say or do in it seems rooted in any kind of relatable reality. It's by far the worst piece of media I've ever seen (thought I haven't seen Another Life).
i think in regards to the skin colour shit, just apply it to any other race, if a japanese samurai legend was cast to screen and there were white and black actors in it, id think it was direspectful and dumb, same with medieval fantasy, all cultures were homogonous for about 99.999% of history, just because you have a holier than though virtuous narcissism doesnt mean that medieval britains population resembled new york city at the time
The disrespect the show has for the lore is appalling. I especially hate the trend in Hollywood, where they add "female empowerment" by making the already powerful female into a generic girlboss
They blatantly disregard the lore many times. The fact that no one can even explain who the three witches are just shows how shallow the writing is. On top of that it makes no sense why mortal followers of Sauron are wielding magic just like wizards. Elves for the most part can't even use magic and the ones that do have giant backstories explaining why they can. Elves do be making magic artifacts all the time though but that doesn't count because even dwarfs made magical artifacts and they are known to be out of tune with magic.
The worst part for me, being the dialogue, is how the writers think they've accomplished greatness by using extra words and longer syllables to still say absolutely nothing. As if sounding fancy and "old timey" with a fake accent is enough to draw people in with your writing. It's awful - it's a porn level script.
I had a REAL hard time getting through this show, but when they changed the text from the southlands to mordor, I wanted to cancel not only my prime account, but every other streaming service account that I have and give up on visual media.
Dude, fans do care if you put races in places that make no sense. Lorewise and from a biological standpoint. Black elves, black numenoreans-i do get the wordplay here, but they are not called black because of their skin (unless from mixed heritage) and black hobbits are just lore breaking to the point of stupidity. I would have loved some darker skinned roles for haradrim, the easterlings or races beyond harad (troll men fan right here), but putting black elves and dwarves in middle earth makes as much sense as having a secluded village sized population of hobbits that interbreeds for hundreds of years and has the genetic diversity of downtown new york.
This is what I've been saying the whole time. It's not that "black people don't fit in Tolkien!" it's that it's frustrating the showrunners can't imagine a world that has a different ethnic distribution than 21st century LA
They’re allergic to making original black characters they’d rather just race swap and call fans racist bc they can’t justify their woke bullshit existing in any universe
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@@darnokx9277 AND it does a lot of the same sh*t RoP did, just more subtle and from years ago, so you forget about it... It brings africans into ice-villages, shamelessly rips lines from LOTR, you had Stephen Fry's god awful mayor character... and the dwarf/elf "romance".
From the very start, the characters were "Not Sauron", "Not Gandalf" and my favorite, "Not Galadriel". At least, they were to me. (There also was "Not Legolas", "Strong Female Character" and "Random Racist Dude".)
They should hire my eleven-year-old sister. She's obsessed with the lore. Sure, she can't write, but at least she'd know what she was supposed to be writing ABOUT.
I do actually care that there are some black elves since that makes no sense in that world. It also bothers me that every community is looking like an American cosmopolitan community without any identity. I do however not care about skin color if it makes sense in that world. All Harfoots could have been black, the South Landers Asian and the Numenorians Samoan ( as long as they were tall af ) but this modern idea of diversity everywhere is nonsense and break immersion. And there should be a world wide ban of the word "okay" in any form in fantasy.
As an Amazon employee this show is extremely insulting as the company could have spent the billion dollars to give us all healthcare in the warehouses. As a High Fantasy fan, this show is an abomination.
A dog may bark at the moon, but he cannot bring it down.....ugh it's just so so so fucking bad it literally makes you laugh at how terrible the writing is 🤦
Amazon didn't understand the source material so much that the only thing they got right from the books and movies was that Dwarf females are supposed to be ugly AF to the point that everyone in middle-earth can't tell the difference in gender. Lol.
I agree with nearly everything you say here, except this; I DO care that there's black elves. Not because I'm a racist or a bigot as the media and show defenders like to suggest, but because it's an insult to the source material and Tolkien's reason for writing it. "But why does it matter?" people ask.. I ask them the same question. If colour doesn't matter then there's no reason for race swapping in the first place. When are people of colour going to get tired of being the trophy diversity hire and demand more original characters be created for them instead of having to insert themselves into already established and beloved characters? And the whole thing about people needing to see themselves or screen to relate to a character or be inspired by them is total bullshit. I loved every character in the Lord of the Rings books and movies. Especially the men. I related to their struggles and rooted for them, despite being a woman. I didn't need any badass toxic femininity to enjoy it.
@jenn15, You don't get to speak to minorities, especially considering how hollywood has plenty of original black characters. But people would rather talk about the race swap.
"A man can consume water, but he can only create urine"
"A dog may defecate on the lawn, but he can not clean it up"
"A testicle may hang, but it does not hang alone"
The Rings of Power School of Writing.
genius
I see the script for season two has already leaked
so profound
You know the people who wrote all those stupid sayings were like "Yeahhhhhhh were cooking it up here"
all better than RoP
..especially the third one, i might hold onto that for the right occasion
Why does Galadriel need to avenge her brother's death? Elves are literally immortal & cannot die until the world ends. He returned to the Halls of Mandos & got a new body. He may be wandering around Valinor right now. She could have seen him if she stayed on the stupid ship for 3 more minutes. What a total moron.
You're assuming the writers knew this or cared
In addition, galadriel had been in middle earth for all the events of the silmarillion and she probably witnesed all of the shit that unfolds. Therefore, Galadriel must be the wisest being in the realm but in amazon's trash, she is just brain dead
yeeeeeah, that's the thing about Galadriel's motivation that completely fucks this show from the opening prologue.... Everyone she acts like she's lost is waiting for the dumb bint in Valinor, all she has to do is not throw herself into the ocean and her problems are solved
She does what she does because she's selfish and short-sighted.... Galadriel..... oy.....
Why is Galadriel so obsessed with her dead brother when she's got a missing husband out there somewhere. She spends all season consumed with vengeance about her brother being killed, and then at the end someone asks where her husband is and she's like "oh I think he got killed too, don't know".
Imagine getting into a fancy restaurant. You order a fine lobster. When the waitress brings your order, you notice that it smells bad and that it also does not look like lobster. You taste it and it's terrible. It's not even lobster, it's just a microwaved kani. You get pissed about it and decide to call the manager. When you tell the manager what happened, he tells you that you don't understand lobster. The manager gets angry, looks extremely offended. He hugs the waitress and tells you that you did not like the food just because the waitress is black. You are confused as the rest of the crew calls you "patently evil".
And the Comment of the Month Award goes to... (drumroll)
Gross. Your analogy makes my love of sea food suspect. You are a writer for RoP. I know it! That's how you tricked me into reading the whole comment. Farts are more fresh. Thanks 🤮
I’m too shy to call the manager :(
I am also too shy to call the manager. I just never go back and bad mouth the restaurant to everyone who asks
This sounds like an analogy Critical Drinker would make
"the sea is always right" was clearly meant to be their "winter is coming". They truly believed that people would be going around saying "the sea is always right".
I don't even understand what "the sea is always right" is supposed to even mean.
Winter is coming is so good because it's multilayered in its meaning and can be used in so many different contexts. The sea shit is just nonsense that doesn't even make sense in its own story
@@kalecraft8906 that's okay, neither did the person who wrote the line.
Highkey they had no idea how to make Numenorians, so they just said "Lets make the Greyjoys but less bloodthirsty" and called it a day. "What is dead may never die" is 20 thousand leagues better than "the sea is always right."
@@TwistedTeaRex the Numenoreans religious aspect is removed entirely, their cult of Eru the One, their reverence for the Valar, or Lords of the West is absent and so on (though in part it's because most of that information is in other text to which Amazon had no licensing rights), otherwise there may be some phrases like invoking the Valar...in lotr alone we see the Dunedain of Gondor use phrase:
"'May the Valar turn him aside! "
Gandalf also while crowning Aragorn says:
"Now come the days of the King, and may they be blessed while the thrones of the Valar endure!"
There are really no specific phrases or words that one could be arc words like the mottos of the Great Houses in Westeros in GoT (well at times some battle cry, the Dwarves have their standard "Baruk Khazad. Khazad ai-menu" but funnily enough they are not used in any live action adaptation I think :)), but one may find a few phrases of poignant meaning that could be key in depicting important things or motives.
The spirituality of the Numenoreans and so on could lead to them having faith in higher powers and destiny, so let's say:
Valar valuvar “the will of the Valar will be done”
á vala Manwë! "may Manwë order it!"
Manwe is the Elder King and that title is mentioned in appnedices and the elvish language use would be appropriate...for some reason the show about a world of a man who loved linguistics, simply neglected that aspect! (by the way I would say that even the naming conventions of Tolkien are not respected for most of the names in the show are so unoriginal or do not conform into any traditions of cultures within this world)
The script writers of Amazon simply put fail to write dialogues in the context of this world, in-universe perspective and cannot evne compare to the mastery of Tolkien when it comes to language and ability of writing epic lines!
The sea is important part of Numenor's culture but what the show tries to do with it, some weird ritualistic mantra of 'the sea is always right;' is so cringe! It's nonsense that can be used to justify more nonsense and just doesn't have any meaning, but funnily enough when the show reveals that Elendil's wife drowned...haha would they say then the sea was right? On one hand the fact that Amazon doesn't have access to other text is good because they will not butcher them, on the other it is a bit of a shame considering how many memorable lines one could use, pieces of dialogues that exist in the written text:
"Then men grew afraid. 'Behold the Eagles of the Lords of the West!' they cried. 'The Eagles of Manwë are come upon Númenor!' And they fell upon their faces.
Then some few would repent for a season, but others hardened their hearts, and they shook their fists at heaven, saying: 'The Lords of the West have plotted against us. They strike first. The next blow shall be ours!' These words the King himself spoke, but they were devised by Sauron."
@@fantasywind3923 I would have to think part of it is the idea of spirituality and divine power offends the writers and they just don’t have the rights to get into it. I don’t know which reasoning is most responsible.
'Not Gimli' saying "Give me the meat, and give it to me raw." is the peak of modern storytelling.
This would be a much better comedy show instead of whatever they're trying to do
@@diahreea2022 Rings of Power reimagined as a Monty Python sketch 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I care that there are black Elves. Tolkien created an entire world, with many different people and skin colours. It's just that the stories he wrote focused on the West of that world (the equivalent of Europe) as he was a scholar of European languages, folklore, and history. The Elves are described as "fair", meaning pale. He described his works as "a mythology for England", you can't just take that and say there aren't enough black people in it. If someone created "a mythology for Ethiopia" you'd be offended if someone wanted to add white people for no reason. I care that they've taken a European medieval fantasy and added modern American race politics into it.
people might get offended at the opposite because of the history of white washing. Ther is no history of black washing, and also, black people are not in power and causing whites to be second classed.
if we had a different past and recent past, then race swapping and gender swapping all over the place would be fine with everyone who is not some nerd over the original fiction.
Also, I do love that people were ok with many other changes that massively vioalte canon, but some black elves? OH NOES!!!!
@@xBINARYGODx ah its u again.U say there is no black washing bro have u seen the new cleopatra documentary? History is being blackwashed too by some misguided hollywood insiders.
@@xBINARYGODx Black people (and minorities in general) kind of are in power causing "whites" to become second-class citizens. The Scottish government are advertising jobs specifically for "BAME" people (Black, Asian, & Minority Ethnic). White people aren't allowed to apply. That's discrimination on the basis of race from a national government, in other words, institutionalized racism. The Scottish First Minister is a Pakistani Muslim by the way. Segregation is everywhere nowadays. Students in universities can set up segregated clubs, barring white students from joining. And critical race theory is being taught to kids- making white children feel guilt for things they didn't do. And a white man can get arrested for posting a meme because it might be misconstrued as offensive, meanwhile black and Asian people can hurl racial slurs at white people and nothing happens. That's privilege.
And there IS a history of black washing, we're living in it: Heimdall from Thor, Nick Fury from The Avengers, Annie from Annie, Ariel from The Little Mermaid, Tinkerbell from Peter Pan & Wendy, Queen Anne Boleyn from Channel 5's Anne Boleyn, Achilles from Troy: Fall of a City, Angrboða from God of War: Ragnarok, Queen Charlotte from Bridgerton, Electro from The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Mary Jane from Spider-Man: Homecoming, Margaret of Anjou from The Hollow Crown, Friar Tuck in BBC's Robin Hood, and worst of all Queen Cleopatra VII in Netflix's so-called "documentary" Queen Cleopatra. There are a hell of a lot more than that. The past 10 years has been full of it and it's just growing and growing. Back when I was young, seeing some black characters wasn't a big deal because you could tell it was done colour-blind, because they were a good actor. Now, you know it's done for political reasons. And it feels forced.
And no, I wasn't okay with the changes that violate canon. Because I wanted an accurate adaptation. I didn't like how Sauron was portrayed by a Northern-English man, and not as an Elf in his fair form. I didn't like how Gandalf was included, as he didn't set foot on Middle-Earth until around 1000 years later, and he didn't arrive in a meteor as a naked mute. I didn't like how Celebrimbor didn't know what an alloy was even though he was the greatest smith in the world. I didn't like how female Dwarves didn't have beards. I didn't like the inclusion of "Harfoots", as they're said to have not done anything of note at this time- and the writers insistence on not calling them Hobbits was purely for legal reasons, as Harfoots are literally a group of Hobbits. And I especially didn't like the mischaracterization of Galadriel as an angry, mean, idiotic girl-boss. I liked none of that shit. And yes, I'm a "nerd over the original fiction", or in other words: a fan. I like something, I enjoy it. I respect the work of the author and I don't want to see it bastardized.
@@PhattyBolgerwell said man
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I 100% believe the show-writers have not read the Lord Of The Rings.
Yer I don’t think so either ! I don’t even think they writers they maybe used an AI programming to write. No there ok. I hope they don’t read my comment I don’t like criticising others art & I don’t like bully other & j can’t write nothing to save my life
@@anarchist2381 you’re doing better than them. I’m not lying.
One. Billion. Dollars.
One of the most respected franchises of all time.
Rings of Power could have been one of the greatest series ever made.
Instead Amazon handed it over to a pack of activists and let them mangle it beyond recognition.
I mean, it really could never be that great because it was ultimately fanfiction... I don't think much of writers who have to use other actual creators worlds and stories to create.
Unfortunately, with monopolies like Amazon, people like Bezos can destroy and corrupt whatever they want until they eventually die because this corrupted world runs on fiat currency.
The Lord of the Rings is a novel, not a franchise.
@@reek4062 I'm using it as a sort of umbrella term for the Middle-Earth stuff. And it is a franchise now, especially with all the movies and merchandise, etc.
It's gone beyond the novels, but at the same time, the novels are, and will always be at heart of, and the true inspiration, for it.
@@Vaquix000Personally, I believe that in the hands of people who understood the source material, and genuinely cared about it, and had the right talent, we could have still ended up with something special..
For a long time I believed that it was impossible to adapt the Lord of the Rings into a movie. And then I saw the first trailer for the Fellowship of the Ring and it was like seeing the book come to life. (in contrast, with the Rings of Power, I was thinking 'WTF am I watching?').
To be fair, they cut a lot out, and they probably needed magic to make it really faithful, but it was still an incredible accomplishment.
I don't believe it's impossible for another good storyteller - even if they weren't masters of the written word like Tolkien - to come up with something worth watching.
Unfortunately, Rings of Power never stood a chance. Politics came first, and Amazon weren't even trying to make a true adaptation.
They basically made up their own thing and threw in a few Middle-Earth names here and there. .. And the result was completely unrecognisable..
Ultimately, it came down to the people involved, imo. They weren't trying to serve the story, like Peter Jackson and his people had. They were trying to get it to serve them. And that's where they really messed up.
if "the sea is always right", wouldnt it be heresy to save people from drowning?
Don't ask questions. Just consume product.
In fact, he said "my wife drowned" right after that. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
some lines from lord of the rings (both the movies and the books) literally changed me as a person. most notably the exchange between frodo and gandalf: "i wish it need not have happened in my time." "so do i. and so do all who live to see such times. but that is not for them to decide. all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.” like that quite literally changed the way i make decisions and think about my life.
That's a beautiful quote. :)
The Lord of the Rings was written by a WWI veteran who actually had to go through intense struggles to be forged into the legendary story teller that he was. The people who wrote and directed this were likely all trust fund babies whose only struggle was when the cafeteria in college ran out of vegan pizza.
Big of you to assume they have ever struggled, let alone their cafeteria running out of the organic, and very much humanely raised and watered vegan pizza.
@@alexporter7379 They probably demanded to speak with the manager when the vegan pizza ran out and threatened to make them lose their jobs cause they didn't satisfy their egoistic and self centered "well being"
As a big Tolkien fan, I remember thinking to myself: This guy sure looks life Gandalf, but this is the Second Age and he didn't set foot on Middle-Earth until the Third Age, and he didn't arrive in a meteor, he arrived in a boat like the rest of the Istari. So it can't be him, can it? They wouldn't mess that up, would they?
But of course it was him, because they don't give a fuck about the story. They're telling their own garbage story with some familiar names thrown in.
I don’t care what they tell me in school, my grandma told me Galadriel was Chinese
Underrated crossover comment
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Amazon: Okay, we pretty much have unlimited money to do this.
Also Amazon: Let's hire the shittiest writers.
I recon most of the budget went towards buying the AI that wrote this script
They were hired for being JJ Abraham's stock. It's hollywood, it's what They do.
I think it's really weird that Galadriel cares more about her dead brother than her missing husband.
To paraphrase Nerd of the Rings, this show makes the Hobbit movies look good. I can hardly think of more damning praise than that.
The worst thing is, how badly they portrayed elves, made them like humans with pointy ears basically
Yes, plus there are no black Elves.
They made them look like less than average humans with pointy ears, that was the crazy part. If they'd only missed the illuminating quality, the grace of movement and the long, flowing, full head of hair, that would have been it to begin with. But they traded in piercing, distinct, unique features for actors like Benjamin Walker, who looks more suited to playing a Leprechaun of the Emerald Isle than an Elf of Tolkien.
The "Numenoreans" were also portrayed as slobbish and unremarkable.
Plus they made them stupid.
@@zoebaggins90 OK let’s not act like Klansman about this it’s not that serious.
Man its gonna tough for Galadriel to defeat a snow troll that just took out an entire unit of elite elf soldiers…
Actually it’s going to be super easy, barely and inconvenience!
Oh wow, wow, wow, wow, wow… ….. Wow
My favorite part was when Sauron towered over Isildur and said, "The sea is only right on occasion." Isildur took up his father's sword and said, "The sea is ALWAYS right." Before vanquishing him. Truly one of the moments of tolkien adaptations.
The obsession with having a 'catchphrase' or some sort of arc words or a quotable iconic phrase is probably the remnant of their purpose it's not a mystery that the Amazon or it's chief wanted their own 'Game of Thrones' style show their next big thing...and there were certain phrases in that one :)...but if they really had to I guess they should have used the words of Sauron himself from Lotr appendices...ironically the only spoken line in the material they have access to hahah:
"And Sauron lied to the King, declaring that everlasting life would be his who possessed the Undying Lands, and that the Ban was imposed only to prevent the Kings of Men from surpassing the Valar. 'But great Kings take what is their right,' be said."
And those words....though technically the story has not even reached the point where they would be spoken :)...could have been used for a certain thematic purpose...that is exploration of what is the nature of kingly power and contrasting it, the tyranny of someone like Sauron himself or evil Pharazon, indeed if they were smart they could have use the arc words in exploring that the kings cannot truly take what is their right just like that...tyranny versus kingship, as there are many kings or so as characters that are imporant, we have elvenking Gil-galad, kings of Numenor, king of the Dwarves, king of Moria, this could have served some deeper purpose....but nope such things are alien to the way of thinking of the corporate hacks of Amazon!
And then he went it's morbin time and proceeded to reveal himself as the true Sauron all along. What a banger of a series.
First, I am a black Latino person, that being said, the use of diversity where it is not needed took me out of the show. There are non white people in the original LOR but they are consistent with the geography of the world the story is based on. This is northern Europe in the middle ages, not in the 2020s, so no, I don't enjoy this diversity and inclusion BS here. You want black ppl in legendary middleage stories, make them based in Africa,I'm pretty sure there are compelling stories about VIII century African life you could make shows about.
The changing of characters who were explicitly stated to be fair-skinned is the worst.
@@xFlareLeonlike snow white
I have said the same thing to people who justify re-wirting characters that are based on European lore, history or mythology. There were Kingdoms (pre-slavery including the medieval period that were thriving) VS the ones that did grow, developed and benefited by trading other Africans to Europeans for goods (Until the SH### backfired).
If people stop obsessing over the translatlantic slave period (Yes a period in African history, 1700 and 1850 when the trade was prominent and as early as1600s). They will discover Africa had Kingdoms, Mythology and Lore outside of just North Africa (Specifially Egypt). And make movies surounding that Lore and history.
Anytime you focus on Kingdoms during the time of the slave trade. You don't focus on the history of that Kingdom, Culture or people but you get distracted with the debates/talk surrounding the slave trade with the "White Man" and eventually colonization.
The the Lore or Mythology that the people believed in and what the Kingdoms/people were like pre-Europeans are overshadowed. I only listed a few to give an examples of prior dates but there are others.
Ghana Empire - 830 C.E. to 1235 C.E.
Nubian/Kush Empire - 2000 BCE onward to 1504 AD
Mali - 1226-1670 (Focus can be prior 1600's before the mass slave trade)
Ethiopian Empire - 1270-1974 (Ethiopia never colonized)
Songhai - 1464-1591
At the very least the ethnicities should have distinct groups that live in distinct areas. Everyone in the Southlands should be one distinct ethnic group, Numenor should largely be another though if they did alot of trading you could mix it up more, the Harfoots should be all one group, and the elves should be another.
Hell even in the 90s as a kid in the area of the state I live in wasn't exactly brimming with a variety of ethnicities. There were some African Americans. With maybe some Mexicans. I had such little diversity in my area that when I went to DC on a school trip I was blown away by all the accents I heard. Even now nearing my 40s it isn't exactly cosmopolitan but moreso than in the 90s. A time period that is medieval like is going to have less diversity than late 20th century barely suburban America.
Nzingha of Angola was a fascinating woman, although not uh, exactly the most moral. She is apparently rumored to have killed her own brother to become ruler. She did many things, both good and not-so-good.
Halbrand literally could have just left it at "I told you I found this on a dead guy" he didn't have to go into a huge villain speech!
I never tire of people tearing this wet paperbag a new hole. It's so easy.
The scene where Galadriel grabs Elrond and whispers in his ear "This is my swamp" really sent chills up my spine. So brave!
Rings of Power is great enterntainment value.
Countless hours of TH-cam videos ripping this thing apart in creative, hilarious and hilarious creative ways.
And that at no extra cost!
I'm actually glad it came out for that reason it has gotten me back into Tolkien! :D
Sauron was the GOOD guy in ROP. He was repenting and the reason why he told Galadriel he wasn't king was because he had been telling her since day 1 he wasn't king and the trinket she said proved that was just something he found. ROP made Galadriel the sole reason why millions would die. Because she forced a repentant darklord back into evil.
They tried to make her a girl boss but instead turned her into a fučk up 😂
@@diahreea2022 To be fair, that's Hollywood in a nutshell.
…and then…and then…and then… this has to be some sort of money laundering scheme by Amazon. There is no way this could be the most expensive show ever made. Where did the money go?!?
I read somewhere that if a project like this has diversity and inclusion in it and fails that the government will bail them out. Pretty much compensation them completely. I can't remember where I seen that but if I find it I'll post it. It's strange, that's for sure. All these projects failing. It's like a funnel of money but where is it going??
Celebrimbor, the grandson of the elf who essentially started the entire story and the craftsman who made the Silmarils, who inherited his grandfather’s gift of crafting was told about Alloys as the great secret. They didn’t even TRY to spice it up with magic or words of incantation unknown to Celebrimbor. Nope. Just plain old “haha two metals go “wooo magic””
Yeah. No.
This show made Galadriel not only a girl boss but a karen as well, always looking for the manager and then threatens them of being cancelled.
And oh, they made her stupid as well.
"There's a tempest in me! ..... may I use the bathroom?"
Why do the "Rings of Power" look like something you'd get with your happy meal?
- You have not seen the cringe I have seen.
- I have seen cringe.
- *YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE CRINGE I HAVE SEEN!*
32:40 - "You have not seen what I have seen"
Elrond as a small child saw his home destroyed, his mother lost + thought dead and everyone he ever knew killed by fellow elves. He and his brother were only spared because the two remaining kin-slaying sons of Feanor felt bad for them.
Galadriel is sad because her brother is dead. He was not gruesomely tortured to death or stabbed in the back by a deceitful enemy, he died a soldier's death on the battlefield, fighting a war which he and all the other elves signed up for in spite of all the gods strongly urging them to let it go and stay in Valinor.
The Orcs are never shown to do anything exceptionally malicious to either enemies or prisoners, the battles depicted are glossed over far too quickly to leave an impact on the audience and since Galadriel shows little regard for the elves under her command and laments no one's death except her brother's, it's obvious he is the only person who has died in last couple thousand years that she actually cares for. Compare that to John Rambo where the apocryphal lore states every notch in his knife stands for a close friend he lost in Vietnam.
Show don't Tell, RoP; you failed at both.
Aaand all of the male elves look like far too old humans of barely average attractiveness. They're not elves. The same goes for Halbrand. The reason why I was convinced from the beginning that he couldn't be (or rather shouldn't be) Sauron was his middle-aged meh human looks.
Put any of these guys with their embarrassing dialogue and direction next to Thranduil, Blanchett-Galadriel or Arwen and WEEP
The fact Guy-ladriel survived having her flesh vaporized from her bones by a fast approaching volcanic pyroclastic flow is bad enough and makes even Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom’s version look realistic by comparison.
don't forget she can swim sea's worth of miles without so much of a sore elbow...
"Little house on the Patriarchy" I'm gonna start using that one
RoP writers be like: "Chameleon can smell its ass, but it cant lick it."
@schizosamurai8840
The worst part is... I could see them using a line like that! And that's not good!
"Fanfiction is written by people who have a genuine love for the intellectual property, Rings of Power seems like it was written by people who think they can improve of something that is already beloved" (#facts)
The corny line “the sea is always right” sums up the awfulness of this show.
Wtf does that line mean? I can fire off like 5 things in my head to make that make sense.
Prove that the sea isn't always right. 😂
Keep in mind that Peter Jackson spent about eight years in total making the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Filmmakers and show runners today are incapable of the time, dedication, and passion required to properly adapt a world as grand and epic as Tolkien's
It was super boring, not to mention a total slap in the face to the lore. They made the actual cool characters like Elrond and Celebrimbor, basically two of the most powerful elves in all of Middle Earth, dry and lame, and then shoved characters that we don't know or care about in our faces. That and the writing was bad. In one scene the Harfoots sing a song saying that they don't leave anyone behind, then later they tell a hobbled man that they are going to leave him and his family behind. In one scene the blinded queen doesn't want her men to know that she's blind, then in the next scene she's got a blindfold over her eyes. I mean, if you're going to contradict your own writing, go for it, but, man, it's cringe-worthy.
Based on the rhetoric of the black actress playing the dwarf, I thought she would be the insufferable character. But I loved her character. Marketing needs to stop with the “I am first race person to play very specific person in very niche media.”
I suspect the reason so many characters in this show say Galadriel like "Ga-la-thri-el" is because someone in the production watched the Lord of the Rings and heard the pronunciation of Galadhrim and thought that Galadriel's name could be pronounced similarly (In Tolkien's elvish language Sindarin, "dh" is pronounced as a voiced "th" sound.)
When Peter Jackson created The Lord of the Rings trilogy, he had linguists to make sure the pronunciation of the elvish languages was as accurate as possible. Obviously, this was another thing Amazon couldn't care less about.
Thank you for acknowledging that fanfiction is in fact written by FANS of an IP. Too many people refer to terrible writing in hollywood as being "fanfiction tier" and it really bothers me. I have read some DAMN good fanfictions in my time, some were so wonderfully written and so finely crafted that it is a shame the writer did not make any money off of their hard work and incredible talent. Hollywood wishes they had writers half as good.
Honestly, at this point they should go to AO3 and hire authors to write franchise scripts, at least then it will be done by people who don't proactively hate those stories and fandoms.
@@justwonder1404 Absolutely. I know at least one fanfiction writer (though there are likely many more) who is a published author of original works outside of what they create for free for the fandoms they love... imagine how good a story could be with an author who loves the IP so much they are willing to work on multiple massive projects out of passion rather than just to get paid... we need to remember that writers are not just a cog in the machine for making media; they are technically commissioned artists, and we should find ones that are actually interested in and knowledgable about a franchise before dumping buttloads of money into a careless project and forced diversity training. This is why I am excited to see what Henry Cavill is going to do with Warhammer; finally a wealthy nerd who is committed to the lore and cares about the fans.
as a fan of the Lotr I have avoided this show like Legolas avoids snow in his boots.
Good. Continue to do this
As another LOTR fan i avoid it like Gandalf avoids the one ring but atleast the one ring is tempting ROP is just a giant pile of cow shit and that's an insult to cow shit
So basically Sauron becomes the Dark Lord because...he got friendzoned by Guy-ladriel. That is basically the whole point of the show. You know, if one of the Harfoots was revealed to be Sauron, that would actually be a banger since they are the true evil of this show. Remember everyone, nobody walks alone 🤣
Amazon could have hired Blue Origin to develop, launch, and run a robotic mission to Mars for the cost of Rings of Power.
This is probably the saddest thing about it all! Or at least they could have payed their employees a bit better or made huge X-MAS parties for orphans.
A little information: The inclusion of mithril's creation was not only not in any of Tolkien's wirting, notes, or letters, it contradicts what was actually written by Tolkien in the same book that this abomination of a show was based. All 3 silmarils' final locations are part of the universe with symbolic meaning that pays off in the other stories(Hobbit & LoTR).
People hate shows with a female lead. That's why the first two alien movies bombed so hard.
😂😂😂
What a bad take.
@@doubleplusdannyI think it’s sarcasm.
hollywood kinda forgot that you need creative, talented, and passionate people to create things worth watching.
These two writers simply did everything Tolkien in his letters about adaptation told the adaptators not to do :)
- Distortion of charachters - from good to evil, from wise to stupid, changing their goals and their images - check,
- Adding of charachters without anything to do - check,
- Complicating of chronology - check,
- Adding nonsensical allegory (politics) - check,
- Adding not needed, nonsensical magic (magic signs and magic swords) - check,
- Adding nonsensical fight scenes - check,
- Not focusing on any of main moral themes of the books,
So yea, what an acomplishement 🤣 I can not wait for 2 season's... comical reviews - its much more fun than the actual show.
Me too. I'm eagerly awaiting season two because I wanna hear what Disparu has to say about it.
@@ceinwenchandler4716 and Nerdrotic and Geeks and Gamers and Just Some Guy, and esp "Random film talk" :D
@@TallisKeeton And the Open Bar and EFAP
The "I'm good" line is proof that the show was written by a 4 year old
I had forgotten that this show even existed.
I've never even watched the show, but I've been binging on its reviews since it came out. It's like watching the biggest car wreck ever
@@pepincuatro2865I enjoy the negative reviews more than the show lmao
Oh no, 13% of the population has 17% of coaching jobs in the NFL. What a travesty.
6%, take out the female part of that statistic. Which also means the FBI one is 6%/60%... it's even worse.....
how can the androgynus beings be nazgul? i thought nazgul were human kings corrupted by the rings.
at RoP there were no rings yet no?
how did i not get that :D
aside from the utterly farcical warping of the timeline of events, making the presence and occurrence of specific characters completely illogical in the show's timeline- the nazgul couldn't have been female, the rings were only given to nine kings. It genuinely messed with my brain to not see a single male actor portray one of the nazgul. embarrassingly egregious.
58:46 Also, they took a fucking pyroclastic cloud to the face and somehow survived with only a light coating of volcanic ash on them. Even for a fantasy show, that's bullshit!
After seeing people saying season 8 of GOT makes sense and was good, this doesn't surprise me. I have no faith in humanity anymore.
Between "And Then" storytelling and the phrase "Stunning and brave" the southpark guys have contributed so much to writing critique haha
And these hack writers forgot that Guyladriel is Elrond mother-in-law. Makes most scenes between them really cringe...
Haha, forgot? They probably never knew in the first place because they never read anything Tolkien ever wrote. Cliff notes.
I think they don't even know Galadriel has a daughter lmao
Gandalf 2.0 really being Gandalf was so unimaginative 😂
I love mystery boxes, but it requires writing skills to pull off. Which the writers don't have.
Look how they turned Galadriel into the villain responsible for all the bad that happens between the start of ROP and the end of the War of the ring 😂
But the big bad is Amazon : They asked the writers to tell a story for which they didn't have the rights ! Who thought it had a chance to be good ???
best example is nick fury, white in the comics yet most think he's canonically black because of Samuel Jacksons stellar performance
True. They seem to have based him heavily off the ultimate comics that came before the mcu. He is black in thos2 comics. Nick even makes a joke in those comics that if they ever made a movie about him, he'd pick saumuel l. J.
The scam represented by this series was already hinted at by the promotional videos with the "influencers" of the different countries.
There is nothing epic: the characters are either lousy opportunists (see proto-hobbits, who leave their more unfortunate companions at the mercy of wolves); some idiots (see Celebrimbor, who gets screwed at zero speed by someone he has known for less than ten minutes...so much for Annatar's decades of patient waiting), or again they are put there just to be bait for the audience, the classic "guess who?".
Not to mention the fact that the casual spectator cannot understand anything from the initial prologue, and just to underline some issues left open by the incipit:
-What, exactly, was Valinor?
What do the two trees represent?
-Who is Morgoth? How did he destroy trees?
- why couldn't the elves plant more?
- What is a silmaril?
-why should mitrhil be vital for elves?
-Since when do elves need a recharge?
-since when did middle-earth become a parody of today's world (with "job-stealing elves", and other modern amenities)?
Having watched the Rings of Power first, it then made watching House of the Dragon one of the greatest experiences ever. It was like comparing scrambled diarrhea to filet mignon. They did Tolkien dirty af.
The 3 elven rings were forged in the year 1590 of the second age, at that time Galadriel would be 3483 years old ; 1255 years older than Celebrimbor, 1753 years older than Gil-galad and 1835 years older than Elrond. Yet she acts like the youngest and most immature character in this show.
I thought exactly the same. The only characters in the rings of power that are older than Galadrrrrriel are sauron and gandalf. And yet the five and six year olds in the Kindergarten i work at for the most part are more mature than galdrrrrrrrriel.
Ya. And she thinks she's so cool. :(
Her strengths were her wisdom, intelligence, and ability to read others. She was never fooled by Sauron. Yet that wasn't good enough, they turned her into an entirely inferior character and her only flaw of pride was inflated 10 fold. She's more of a villain than the actual villain.
Also, as someone from Scotland... Apparently the "hobbits" are meant to be Irish but half of them have Scottish accents. It's as if they went "well Americans won't be able to tell the difference, they kinda sound the same so who cares" not realising, it's not only Americans watching it
It’s like when someone makes a film with an Australian and they speak with a kiwi accent or a crocodile Dundee accent.
"Commander of the Northern Armies" means nothing at all, it's literally a title they invented to make her sound cooler. Cause y'know, everyone loves North stuff like in Game of Thrones. We're clever, don't you see?
I cringe so hard my face implodes whenever I hear that 'title' spoken unironically.
Also, if it meant anything (what rank is commander in the elven military?)... what armies? We really don't see the armies. part...
"Discount Legolas and little House on the Patriarchy" 😅 well said.
Man, we were so lucky to have Peter Jackson and his team make the trilogy. Apparently no one knew how many bullets we dodged back then.
Seriously it's a miracle - best timeline.
"The north remembers" - A line to establish that the one speaking it, is loyal to house stark. Was proven right several times.
"The sea is always right" - Do they have spiritual leaders who can speak to the sea? Is it something seamen say when something goes wrong on a vojage?
And "sweep them like salt from a table"?!
Okay...a little bit of headcanon: the writer responsible for the line has a glass-table and spilled some salt. Brushed it off with his sleeve and thought:"hey....thats pretty easy!"
I am like 99% percent sure the peasants of middle earth dont have fucking glasstables.
have you ever tried sweeping salt off A FUCKING WOODEN TABLE?! or hell....even marble.
Oh...and funfact:
Sandstone cant be in granite. except the dwarfs can mine so deep that the temperature is +1000°C or something like that. THEN you could catch sandstone which isnt granit yet.
"A dog may bark at the moon, but he can not bring it down." Complete trash
"Their friendship is the only thing I liked" Allow me to ruin that for you. A lot of hinges on the strength of their relationship, but why are they friends, what is it based on? I will tell you why, because Legolas and Gimli are and the writers wanted to abuse your nostalgia.
The friendship in this was stolen from Celebrimbor and Narvi as well. What they did to poor Celebrimbor is shameful.
What really shocked me is how they managed to write side characters that are more interesting than the main characters. The main characters are so devoid of personality and character development that any other character easily steals the scene by putting a minimum of effort in writing them. Side characters like Durin or Kemen have much more interesting interaction and feel like actual people, even Disa is interesting. Granted I didn't finish the season, but it seemingly didn't improve.
Thats why as a Tolkien nerd..i couldn't watch it. Or id go on a rampage
I don't think you need to be a Tolkien nerd to find this show unwatchable. I tried to watch it as a "so bad it's funny" thing (like Game of Thrones season 8 for example) but everything about this show is so aggressively nonsensical that it's boring to watch. Regardless of whether you're expecting a Tolkien story, or you choose to view it as a separate story in a Tolkien-inspired world, it won't be able to keep your attention because nothing people say or do in it seems rooted in any kind of relatable reality. It's by far the worst piece of media I've ever seen (thought I haven't seen Another Life).
i think in regards to the skin colour shit, just apply it to any other race, if a japanese samurai legend was cast to screen and there were white and black actors in it, id think it was direspectful and dumb, same with medieval fantasy, all cultures were homogonous for about 99.999% of history, just because you have a holier than though virtuous narcissism doesnt mean that medieval britains population resembled new york city at the time
Right, in that case it would be cultural appropriation.... its all such a sack of shite
I thought there was something seriously wrong with this show but then I remembered the sea is always right.
The disrespect the show has for the lore is appalling. I especially hate the trend in Hollywood, where they add "female empowerment" by making the already powerful female into a generic girlboss
They blatantly disregard the lore many times. The fact that no one can even explain who the three witches are just shows how shallow the writing is. On top of that it makes no sense why mortal followers of Sauron are wielding magic just like wizards. Elves for the most part can't even use magic and the ones that do have giant backstories explaining why they can. Elves do be making magic artifacts all the time though but that doesn't count because even dwarfs made magical artifacts and they are known to be out of tune with magic.
The worst part for me, being the dialogue, is how the writers think they've accomplished greatness by using extra words and longer syllables to still say absolutely nothing. As if sounding fancy and "old timey" with a fake accent is enough to draw people in with your writing. It's awful - it's a porn level script.
A hundreds of years old master craftsman who had knowledge passed down from the Valar who built the world needed to be told about alloys?
Not all those who wander are lost makes perfect sense. Adding "wonder" implies that most who dare to wonder are lost. My head hurts.
My grandma always said: "No matter what they tell you in school, Tolkien was a trans-gay-pansexual- black woman"..
I had a REAL hard time getting through this show, but when they changed the text from the southlands to mordor, I wanted to cancel not only my prime account, but every other streaming service account that I have and give up on visual media.
Another ridiculously extreme personality! Always nice to meet a kindred spirit!
“Mystery Box Storytelling” has always felt like an excuse for poor, inconsistent writing.
Dude I had honestly forgotten how bad this sh*tshow was. It's almost like Hollywood is raising the bar on how bad they can create a show. xD
Dude, fans do care if you put races in places that make no sense. Lorewise and from a biological standpoint. Black elves, black numenoreans-i do get the wordplay here, but they are not called black because of their skin (unless from mixed heritage) and black hobbits are just lore breaking to the point of stupidity.
I would have loved some darker skinned roles for haradrim, the easterlings or races beyond harad (troll men fan right here), but putting black elves and dwarves in middle earth makes as much sense as having a secluded village sized population of hobbits that interbreeds for hundreds of years and has the genetic diversity of downtown new york.
This is what I've been saying the whole time. It's not that "black people don't fit in Tolkien!" it's that it's frustrating the showrunners can't imagine a world that has a different ethnic distribution than 21st century LA
They’re allergic to making original black characters they’d rather just race swap and call fans racist bc they can’t justify their woke bullshit existing in any universe
"aggressive diarrhea"? That's pretty harsh for a show I made it three whole episodes into.
"water in shampoo would dilute the properties of the shampoo."
"But what if the literal opposite of whatever you just said?"
"Intriguing."
its interesting to see big companies like this take on a big IP like this
and watch them just throw it down the toilet
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One positive thing I'll say about The Rings of Power;
It made me re-watch the Hobbit trilogy and appreciate it a lot more than I used to.
... but the Hobbit trilogy is still shit.
@@darnokx9277 AND it does a lot of the same sh*t RoP did, just more subtle and from years ago, so you forget about it... It brings africans into ice-villages, shamelessly rips lines from LOTR, you had Stephen Fry's god awful mayor character... and the dwarf/elf "romance".
@@darnokx9277 Shit that is sadly still better than this disgusting thing
Watch the fan edit of the hobbit. One film, less shit.
From the very start, the characters were "Not Sauron", "Not Gandalf" and my favorite, "Not Galadriel". At least, they were to me. (There also was "Not Legolas", "Strong Female Character" and "Random Racist Dude".)
But it is true, these characters are really not Sauron, Gandalf and Galadriel because they have nothing to do with the ones Tolkien has created.
The writers think that it's all just a bunch of goofy sh1t that anyone can lash together.
They should hire some fanfic writers to write the next season.
They should hire my eleven-year-old sister. She's obsessed with the lore. Sure, she can't write, but at least she'd know what she was supposed to be writing ABOUT.
I struggled to episode 4 and had to tap out for my sanity
Good that you did. It only got more ridiculous. And not in the "so-bad-that-it's-funny" -way, just plain boring-bad.
'Masterpiece' they say yet nobody's talking about it months after its release.
except to shit on it lmao
If memories serves me right. It didn't get any nomination either...
I died at 'Feminem'
I do actually care that there are some black elves since that makes no sense in that world. It also bothers me that every community is looking like an American cosmopolitan community without any identity. I do however not care about skin color if it makes sense in that world. All Harfoots could have been black, the South Landers Asian and the Numenorians Samoan ( as long as they were tall af ) but this modern idea of diversity everywhere is nonsense and break immersion. And there should be a world wide ban of the word "okay" in any form in fantasy.
As an Amazon employee this show is extremely insulting as the company could have spent the billion dollars to give us all healthcare in the warehouses. As a High Fantasy fan, this show is an abomination.
Oh buddy thanks for your service :(
>patently evil
>ontologically evil
When moral relativists want to say you're "objectively actually for real evil"
Dude I pooped, and I legit saw dialogue from this show in my fecal hieroglyphs.
A dog may bark at the moon, but he cannot bring it down.....ugh it's just so so so fucking bad it literally makes you laugh at how terrible the writing is 🤦
Amazon didn't understand the source material so much that the only thing they got right from the books and movies was that Dwarf females are supposed to be ugly AF to the point that everyone in middle-earth can't tell the difference in gender. Lol.
I agree with nearly everything you say here, except this; I DO care that there's black elves. Not because I'm a racist or a bigot as the media and show defenders like to suggest, but because it's an insult to the source material and Tolkien's reason for writing it. "But why does it matter?" people ask.. I ask them the same question. If colour doesn't matter then there's no reason for race swapping in the first place. When are people of colour going to get tired of being the trophy diversity hire and demand more original characters be created for them instead of having to insert themselves into already established and beloved characters? And the whole thing about people needing to see themselves or screen to relate to a character or be inspired by them is total bullshit. I loved every character in the Lord of the Rings books and movies. Especially the men. I related to their struggles and rooted for them, despite being a woman. I didn't need any badass toxic femininity to enjoy it.
Tldr
@jenn15, You don't get to speak to minorities, especially considering how hollywood has plenty of original black characters. But people would rather talk about the race swap.
@@Stew91 If that's what you took from this then you're a moron.
@@artofksv No need to inform everyone that you're illiterate.
@@jenni5104 tldr