**WHY I DIDN’T MENTION BLADE**: When that movie came out in the 90s, most people didn’t know it was based on a comic book. It was financially successful, but not the $100M domestic blockbusters I talk about throughout the video-and Blade was most certainly not considered a superhero at the time. The movie is retroactively known and considered a landmark comic movie, but at the time it didn’t do anything for the genre because no one even knew it was a part of it.
I wonder how a modern-day blade movie with an older Wesley Snipes would do? One last adventure. It's crazy how much they love inclusion and digging up old IPs. But, they leave my boy out of the party!
call me crazy, but I don't think Endgame was good. It had SOME good moments, even great moments, but I cant say that I really enjoyed the movie like I enjoyed the 1st avengers. IMO peak MCU was phase 1, and I liked a few of the other ones (Civil War, AntMan (scott & cassie melt my cold dead heart), Infinity War, and Agents of Shield).
Chris Hemsworth bowing out of any more movies 'unless they are different' is a sign that they are losing one of the few charismatic characters still left.
He did a show on disney+ and his blood work done came back that both his mom and dad have the gene for altzhimers and he may develop it in his 40's so he's taking time off and spending it with family!
He moreso said he wants his character to be fresh and do something unexpected as opposed to mcu overall not being fresh. Regardless, he is taking away from acting for his family vs. Amy particular movie or franchise. Chris never talked bad about Disney nor marvel (although some things from love and thunder did happen allegedly, like he was forced to do that nearly completely naked scene after Taiki pressured him). The franchise made his career and gave him the opportunity to discover he has genes for alzheimers and dementia and have the financial means to not work for however long he wants to be with his family. He is probably completely indebted to disney for all this
Thor has been turned into a bufoon. I have zero interest in seeing more of the character on screen. I have no idea where this idea that Hemsworth is funny has come from... He is cheesy cringe beyond belief.
I feel like the biggest problem is how much Marvel is trying to push out in such a short amount of time. A lot of stuff feels rushed and disconnected from each other.
Agents of Shield weren't that popular or good. How in earth they thought they could continue with TV shows. It was because of Disney+ they pushed hard on Quarterly releases of movies and a plethora of TV shows.
That’s always been a weak point for marvel and it’s only getting worse. Take it with a grain of salt, but I heard they want Scott Derickson back for Doctor Strange 3 as if it was Sam Rami’s fault that MoM sucked. His stylistic directing was the best thing about that film. The script was horrendous and they’re having that guy write one of the next avengers film. Ridiculous
Used to be a giant MCU fan as I grew up. It meant a lot to me. It was always, "yeah, there are a few duds, but there are still the classics and there's still the heart". Sad to see it fall apart like this and feel like soulless cash-grabbing.
@@tricko8000 I mean, you could take that perspective. But if you watch this video here I think it makes some good points about what's changed in the MCU, because it hasn't always been soulless. Even if someone never liked the movies, it doesn't mean they didn't have 1) heart, 2) charismatic and compelling leads (in many people's view), and 3) a clear vision and direction. None of which exists now.
It's really just an example as to why ending a story is incredibly important. Endgame was the climax, the movie the entire franchise was building up to. And now that they're still being forced out, the MCU is slowly and painfully realising that there's nothing left to tell.
@@toshtao1 How on earth did you gather that? I was a casual enjoyer of these movies at most and got sick of them like six years ago because every movie since Guardians of the Galaxy has adapted to the style of that movie and now they're all the same fucking movie. They're corporate, heartless, shallow products, but decent popcorn flicks at best.
@@jarltrippin I'll have to disagree on that. The MCU was the exemplar on how to do fun superhero films until these past two years. Was I and many others wrong to enjoy them?
After hearing Charlie Cox say, “ Born Again isn’t as violent as Netflix “ *which is fine - but when he said* “We need to find what worked for The Netflix Show and make it work for a *Younger Audience* “ it’s pretty much a wrap. Daredevil for kids or in the style of Moon Knight still spells out it’s gonna be trash
Strange is such a missed opportunity for a main character. He’s a multiverse travelling wizard so he could be any series in any world, he’s insanely skilled with magic so there are plenty of reasons for people to look for him and include him in the plot, he’s tasked with protecting the multiverse so he could easily have motives to defeat villains, and he could even lead a new team considering his skills and charisma.
Feige said he was the new anchor of the MCU. Don't know what happened 🙈 Should have focused on him getting lost in the multiverse and befriending his variants, to him learning he can be an ass and over ambitious, then meeting evil strange who he thought was good and then have a big epic fight, then could have led back to Dormanmmu again or something as overaching villain. Rather than it being about America, Wanda and pointless illuminati being killed. Ugh.
Strange Supreme to me really proved just how good his character could have been. Strange is the epitome of moral nuance. He's basically Thanos as a good guy; extremely smart, extremely strong, extremely capable, extremely willed, and morally nuanced. Then they spent an entire movie having him learn two lessons 1 : don't ever do anything arguably morally bad, even though you've had to to save the universe several times now and you're literally having to do the same fucking thing right this second by using dark magic to posses your own corpse, but don't do it because it's wrong and you take it too far. 2 : don't worry about not doing anything arguably morally bad because remember, you have plot armor. Who cares if there is literally no way out of this situation, the child with immeasurable multiverse power is even telling you to take it from them, and if you lose the entire fucking multiverse will be the plaything of a maddened witch? You're the main character, just tell them to believe in themselves and it'll all work out! They took Strange, a character who would do whatever it took to succeed and always knew the consequences of failure, and undid all of that.
Honestly, after his interview for Oppenheimer where he ignorantly said women would never start wars or drop the bomb, he lost me and any project with him loses my interest.
@@domesticdragonwafflehe’s not wrong tho lmao women are not as violent as men. That’s a fact. Women don’t get Physically violent either and can control their the better. That includes WAR, which to men, is just a game
The fact is they don't respect their already established characters. The character previously acted a certain way and now it looks like oneday they woke up and lost 100 IQ points. They just don't feel the same characters.
That’s been happening since the first avengers movie, Tony Stark’s character development that he had from his two movies disappeared once they got on that helicarrier
I think one problem with Phase 4; there’s too much! With the inclusion of Disney+ shows (essentially 6 hour long movies) there’s just too much to watch if you want to keep up with the MCU. During the Infinity Saga that’s part of what led to success for any movie in the MCU, audiences felt like they had to see every one.
I think the Disney shows are a good idea in concept they just needed to be more spread out or they should have had it be 1 show with seasons focusing on different characters or different collection of characters doing things that don’t fit in a movie
I think my two biggest problems are: 1) C-List Superheroes - Sure they were successful with Guardians of the Galaxy, but that was the exception not the rule. They failed to do the same with Ant-Man, She-Hulk, etc. 2) TV Shows - Not everyone has time to invest in TV shows. My cousin for example has seen every single Phase 1 movie, but he hasn't seen a single Phase 4 TV show.
It sounds like Feige was holding the diversity execs at bay almost all the way through Phase III, promising woke and PC projects after the Thanos arc was concluded. That's what kept the mega-narrative pure until the 2020's. Now the MCU has had to pay off the PC people with Phase IV garbage, and we all see the results. Perhaps the phase was ended quickly because it is felt the ideological folks have been placated, and the studio can try to get back to focusing on a unifying storyline, with more appealing characters.
@@SYXX-II Hemsworth isn't "starting to get Alzheimer's" he's just genetically predisposed. He has a gene that increases the chance of getting it, but it isn't 100% confirmed that he ever will.
@@SYXX-II He has the gene for it he doesn't have dementia. Having the gene also INCREASES your risk of getting it. It doesn't guarantee it, especially not if you're taking care of your health the way he does.
One thing that is still confusing to me is how the multiverse works. The Ancient One was the first to explain it, and then in phase 4 there are multiple contradicting/confusing explanation on what it is like in Loki, Multiverse of Madness, No Way Home, etc.
Here’s how I see it, The Sacred Timeline that He Who Remains made is that one big cable with multiple wires inside it, those wires resembles multiverses that coexist beside each other but don’t branch out on one another. It only branches out if a Kang variant was detected or if that universe was too “different” to where it leads into a dangerous Kang variant which is why He Who Remains created the TVA to monitor it and prune any Universes that would branch out and lead into a incursion ( Universes colliding into one another ) but we all know He Who Remains died in loki which is why the Multiverse is collapsing now and branching into one another that lead to Spiderman No way Home and Dr strange MOM and so on… Meanwhile dimensions are just different realms of that specific universe, then the Quantum realm being that bedrock of all Universes in the Multiverse meaning there’s only one quantum realm
One of the most insane concepts is the idea of Incursions. Multiverse of Madness established that you can destroy universes by traveling between them when Loki is a whole show. One of the most I’ll-planned ideas. Your biggest overarching plot has a massive plot hole
You will never know how it works because THEY don't know how it works. Which is why all their explanations contradict. They no longer even care about being consistent. And it shows.
There's no point in trying to explain it at this point because of that, really. Current writers and directors have abandoned the majority of the basics set up for them; in a lot of cases just because they want to and the studios let them do it. Hence the constant back and forth. Everyone has been doing their own takes on it, instead of getting together and re-emphasizing teh already existing basics they had in place. Waldron especially (wrote both Loki and MoM) has been wishy washy about this and the characters whose titles he's been hired to write for, from the start.
@@jplonsdale7242 10000% true once the feminist came in and said “ girl power “ it got worse and watered down . Think about it the avengers is going to be 90% girls
@@shawnwhite8057 well it’s not feminism’s fault, the movie are so performative that everybody (even feminists) hate them. They don’t want to spread genuine messages, they just want to appeal to this woke culture. Their intentions are only financial hence why they do it terribly and she hulk exists
I think if they simply took a break after Endgame/Far From Home and actually worked on Phase 4 and the plot, than I think we'd be in a *much* better situation then we're in right now.
I'd say the biggest mistake Disney made with MCU was bring in all the "meta" stuff. It was them basically siding with everyone who disliked the MCU, "hey cool kids, look, we're making fun of the comic silliness too, we're cool aren't we?". Disney forgot that those "cool kids" who openly mock comic stuff aren't going to stick around to consume comics entertainment, because ultimately comics are just about people in silly colored costumes punching giant aliens. The emperor has no clothes and all that.
@@TibiConstantine and barely at that. It's a dead horse shitty writers keep beating... but to younger minds its exciting. "LOL they talking to us?! That's so novel"
@@TibiConstantine the reason deadpool worked was because he a contrast to how serious other heroes take themselves But now that no hero takes themselves or their world serious it just become boring and repetitive I knew this was coming ever since they started to include the Guardians of the galaxy because big corporation don't understand how contrast works when they find something that works and gets them money they beat it till it can no more
I really feel bad for the SFX artists, actors, and writers who are probably doing their best with what they have. A decent chunk of the writing problem probably comes from the top, with pressure from executives at Disney, who have quite a bit of control over what gets made and how (example being the Owl House and it’s semi-cancellation). That’s not even talking about the hours for writers or SFX artists, and the pay/AI issues that also affect actors. Hollywood is basically on fire right now, and not in a literal (or good) way.
It started going downhill with Endgame. Even with No Way Home the only reason that movie made money was because of cameos and fan service. Phase 4 was garbage. And what's worse is that they keep rehiring the same writers that worked on phase 4 to make future projects. They will be just as bad. Hollywood doesn't learn lessons. They won't get better.
Mcu makes 2 bad movies and everybody is like omg mcu is dying also people can not apreciate other movies that are smaller than infinity war people are bots and pathetic i liked phase4 if iron man never released in 2008 and it released in phase 4 after infinity war people whould say its bad but only cause they are used to big movies like infinity war
@@kamikazeplays6818 I'm sick of being feed the same old "the message" movies. The whole "white man bad, the future is female, strong independent woman. SHAKE THAT GREEN ASS QUEAN" bulshit. That's why I'm no longer invested in the MCU. Unless they change, I doubt they can bring their numbers back to pre Endgame. Because I'd be happy to see a new War Machine movie or TV series, as in a movie or series based around the Ironman suits, as long as it's got good writing.
I’m really hoping that phase 5 and further get their spark back and that phase 4 just be that one phase that we all choose not to talk about or acknowledge, like a meme.
Its funny how ppl whine & complain about this kind of stuff then love on it a decade later. Its amusing. Plus none of this is showing anything wrong w/this phase. Its just the aftermath of a broken world after a huge intergalactic fight. I like the disconnectedness. Its all fun,tbh.
@@fieryrainysky Yeah, I agree with you, it feels disconnected whether that were on purpose or on accident I still sort enjoy it. Unless Disney does f up phase 5 then 😢
I know this might be a hot take, but honestly, if comic book movies/TV slowed down in release number after this year, that might be a good thing. It's tough to keep up with everything, and it might promote more originality/creativity in Hollywood, who knows?
I agree. The amount of content they have been producing is kind of overwhelming for the casual moviegoer such as myself. I haven't even watched half of the MCU movies because there are just so many of them and I have lots of other interests. Personally, I think Disney+ is hurting the quality of the productions because the emphasis is now on producing "quantity" instead of "quality" in order to feed a constant stream of new content into their streaming service.
True. Too many movies are being released in one year and it's too much. Plus, now viewers need to also watch Disney+ TV shows as well, to understand what the fkc is going in the movie? This is like cramming for an exam. It's gone from fun to a chore. Fk that
The worst part is that underlying feeling of betrayal you can feel as a fan. There seems to be a weird pattern of writers and producers not knowing the source material before making a multi-million dollar movie about it. Not only is not an accurate representation, but it’s switched into a new “modern” narrative that only seems to pertain to a very small group of people. I don’t need over complicated and over stuffed movies, I want a 3 part story that simply makes sense and reaches a sound conclusion. The problem with the MCU, in my opinion, is simply this: the creators stopped worrying about making actual stories, they are now trying to make movies more like “events” and it doesn’t stick.
The funny thing is, isn't this exactly what happened to comic books? Everything had to be some big event, you had too many writers and the story got so long it felt like there wasn't a fresh direction to take things without it coming off as directed towards a smaller and smaller fan base. Really just highlights how important having an ending for a story is.
As a comic fan, it annoys me so much to watch them REPEAT the failures of Marvel comics less than a decade ago. They are adapting the failed comics from 2012-2018. Ya know, the comics that kept getting cancelled or rebooted.
The thing is, this didn't start with 2022 and the stuff they produced there. It started when they dropped/disbanded the Marvel Creative Committee (the people planning that overarching stories and keeping Behind The Scenes creators [writers, directors and more] on that track) between 2015 and 2016, combined with Disney overtaking the franchise. The fact is they started hiring people who not only didn't care for the MCU itself or the running premise of what they were signing in to DO --rather blatantly too, starting most obviously with Taika Waititi, as far back as Thor Ragnarok (link at the bottom as to his own quotes declaring outright that his intent from the start WAS to screw up and scrap every character IN Ragnarok and ignore/disrespect both the film and their creators not just before him? But, leave the mess he made or other after like Gunn to clean up): and general fans ate it up: which just resulted in more hires with Taika's mentality.. such as Waldron (who by his own admission didn't write a Loki show; he adapted his old and already rejected time travel script into a Sylvie Lushton script: and added a 'alter-Loki' tag to her, while changing the name of the male character to Loki to make all that pass as part of teh bait and switch from the *opposite* that they had been promoting in live cons and more prior to it's airing) Herron.. and yes, sadly even Raimi. The Loki BTS team were, are and remain as loudly and unapologetically destructive of the title character/s they were hired and entrusted to portray: but the fact is, that yes.. Taika is where that mentality and hypocrisy started, along with the mess of not having even a basic outline of an idea to where they're going with any of it since MCC was disbanded shorty after managing a loose outline for where phase 3 was supposed to go (and the fact they abandoned half of it, and especially the foundation work with Loki and his story having been manipulated/tortured post 2011 Thor into being front man for Thanos' first attempt at wiping out half the planet to do the same to the rest of the universe [remember: we know Thanos had been doing this and torturing his daughters for decades prior to 2012, the NY invasion was the first grazing peek at that: watch GotG 1& 2, or Infinity War for some examples on screen: and I'll provide inks for the creative teams and actors interviews stating that outright below too.] Part of the reason that Raimi's Strange 2 didn't go well, was the fact that in order to further mess it up from SMNWH (reminder: the entire premise of the Master of the Mystic Arts, their entire major reason for existing and not getting involved in most of Earth's other affairs like the Invasion of New York directly? Was because they exist specifically to deal with threats from other universes IN the Multiverse just like Dormammu; and that is said outright AND NAMED in the first film 'Who are you in this vast Multiverse, Mister Strange?') AND, with two of the pre-existing characters in play? (Wanda and Strange especially) Raimi admitted he didn't watch ANY of the films or show, or even clips outside of his initial viewing of DS1 years ago when it first dropped in theaters SIX YEARS prior. In other words? While making the sequel.. he had little to no understanding of the characters he was directing that sequel story for: including the main title character himself. He didn't watch endgame, didn't watch infinity war, didn't watch Ultron or Civil War, or WandaVision: or even refresh his memory by re-watching the first film.. to even try to make the second one work even a little better. Well and, no; it did not help that SMNWH while great otherwise? Absolutely helped set him up for that skip on professionalism with the dumbing-the-Order-down line and ignorant premise of 'The Multiverse is a concept about which we know frighteningly little.' alone. There's.. a lot more, but yeah. This snowball has been rolling towards this result since they hired in Taika Waititi and still let him keep his job to keep his promises then going into Love and Thunder, after building his portion of the MCU skyscraper supports under it in 2016 out of swiss cheese and not only setting that example? But getting patted on the back for it by gen fans for Disney to take that behavior and dismissive, destructive intent as a good approach. Just sayin': Fans of the Thor corner and Loki have seen this coming since then. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but yeah.. this has been seen coming for more than half a decade. -- mentioned links: Taika Waititi -- why Love & Thunder was not a surprise to Thor and Loki fans: youlackconviction.tumblr.com/post/682116567726735360/oh-thank-god-there-was-also-this-gem-waititi Loki, his torture & manipulation through the mind stone [including concept art they decided against portraying on film to keep a PG 13 rating] : blindtaleteller.tumblr.com/post/688424996626972672/hey-you-said-in-a-post-that-the-creators-and-tom Some of the major Cannon Story ignored and misrepresented in the Loki series (and the amazing POC actor-directopr whose role they diminished in the process): blindtaleteller.tumblr.com/post/684803757028016128/mostlybuckystuff-softlanwangji-thor-rushing-off There's a lot more than what's in those threads.. but yeah. This has been going on a while, and this post is long enough: so imma stop there. I would HIGHLY suggest you look up some of it yourself, but a lot of the problems started with who and especiallt with what mentality they chose their BTS creatives since Taika. Most of them either didn't understand how counting to phase 5 worked or works.. or just plain blatantly did not care so long as they could put their name on something in it, before it went down.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼I love this!! (and this comment also deserves more love) a comment based on sheer fact, proof and no extreme opinion at all! With links too :D I have been raised on MCU films and grew up in a comic book family- specifically Marvel. Seeing the quality deteriorate overtime is devastating since it made up a lot of childhoods and whatnot. However, I noticed certain films didn’t feel the same after Iron Man 3 😅even my die-hard marvel fan Father didn’t think Civil War kept the same quality either. Of course because this was right after prime MCU….these were all highly successful movies but something definitely felt off. Thanks for explaining the reason behind this !🙏 😊
Well said! For me, I enjoyed Thor: Ragnarok initially, but at the same time I was unsettled by a number of things: the funny, but constant humor; the off-kilter morality (already evident prior to this movie); the atrocious Valkyrie character rewarded; Thor treated like trash; and a sense of ... malevolence or cruelty in the spirit of the movie. This marked the beginning of my disengagement not just with the MCU, but with Hollywood more generally. It really unsettled me, and I wanted nothing more to do with any of it.
@@awereal Hard same. As a woman, the bit with Valkyrie being introduced as a slave trader who electrocutes and then sells the main title character, and not only has absolutely no repurcussions from that even four films later; but gets defaulted to hero from there regardless of the fact she had no conscience about it, or intent to help until her own ass was on the line? Was extra insulting for being a character they were so proud to boast about in the official press. The way they ignored Bruce's story and backstory and what his response to finding out she had been selling e=people to their deaths at his hands? Did not go over well with me any more than the way his character and Loki's both (especially wit their previously established backstories) were treated both on screen and off it. Toss in Thor's portrayal, as if T1 and TDW never happened at all, or was running on some twisted version of it and teh things he had and was still learning; and yeah. Gagnarok was to put it more bluntly, a mockery and a shitshow of complete disregard and disrespect to the fanchise's premise, the characters put in his care, and the fans. They absolutely should have fired Waititi and retconned his BS back then. Not given him a second film to make the insult complete, as he promised.
@@rabidfirefox8914 probably..? there's quite a few of us who have been watching this go down over there for years: both in and out of the Thor/Loki fandom, but I use the same UN over there so.. pretty likely??
Phase 4 was so bad, I didn’t see Thor 4 or Black Panther. I never thought i’d miss a MCU movie or show, but now I’m waiting for reviews first to even give them a shot.
@@johnstrawb3521 im in the minority that also found No Way Home surprisingly dull. I watched Thor 4, Dr Strange 2 and a few episodes of She-Hulk and now I'm done with Marvel. Didnt watch Black Panther 2 and don't really care about Antman 3. Guardians 3 looks kinda interesting but as a whole, Marvel is creatively done.
As far as films go: Black Widow - Meh Shang-Chi - Great Eternals - Bad No Way Home - Saturday Night Live - the Movie (sorry but it’s true) Multiverse of Madness - Has some good moments, but not great Love and Thunder - Meh Wakanda Forever - Amazing, but a bit too long
One thing I’ll also add on is that Dr. Strange or Black Panther should have been the central characters to push the MCU forward after Iron-Man and Cap exited but Marvel screwed it up by killing off T’Challa because the actor died (which I think was a terrible decision because T’Challa’s full story hasn’t even scratched the surface yet) and then not focusing on Dr. Strange the man who literally knows all about the multiverse and protects reality. Yeah Phase 4 really dropped the ball completely. They should have either recast T’Challa and centered on him or focused on Dr. Strange but like Nate Moore said “we don’t hire actual comic fans to write or direct our movies”…….yeah and Phase 4 shows that completely
You obviously didn't watch Wakanda Forever, they made a way to where we can still easily get T'Challas story. But I'll let your dumbass figure that out for yourself since ya'll haters like to hate on the MCU without watching anything :D
They couldn't do that because it's the M-She-U now. Men can't lead the universe. Captain Marvel is in charge now. I'm sure you can't wait for "The Marvels" to come out.
Yeah, my feeling was that, after the Infinity Guantlet, and with the success of Black Panther, the story they should have headed to next was The Doom War. Bring on Latveria versus Wakanda. Make Dr. Doom the big bad, and finally do him justice (rather than the lame Ultimate style versions that tie his backstory to the Fantastic 4's people have failed with previously).
Guardians 3 made me nostalgic for the old mcu so I’ve been doing a rewatch of the infinity saga. It really shows how perfectly crafted the overarching story of the infinity stones and thanos as well as the formation and breakup of the avengers was throughout the movies. Everything came together effortlessly and the direction was clear. It’s obvious now that they’re just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks
I find it interesting that the Disney Renaissance, which is said to have lasted from 1989 to 1999, lasted almost the same length of time as the MCU's prime of life, from 2008 to 2019, both being followed by years of aimlessness and staleness, with a breakout hit here and there. If we project based on the post-Renaissance years, the MCU is in for quite a few more years of this.
Makes sense, at some point after using all their best ideas there would be nothing left for them to use in a movie to make it interesting without it becoming repetitive. I’ve noticed newer mcu movies were not rlly that compelling and those that were continuations had the characters creating their own problems that they had to resolve. That last one kind of irked me ngl. Spider man no way home was him creating his own problem to solve that could have been resolved so many fucking times I started to get pissed. Literally the reactions to Spider-Man was so out of character i stg I’ve read fanfiction that write his reveals better than that The new ant man trailer seems to be them making problems for themselves and the action is a copy paste from all previous movies + bigger explosions. At some point I couldn’t give a shit about the action because it was repetitive, cmon just make the story compelling and interesting at least😭😭 And Ohmylord she hulk😭😭. It was interesting at first and made me rlly giddy to watch cause it was funny and I rlly liked the characters but then it just went downhill from there. She’s so sexualised and it’s like they’re saying “look! She strong and sexy! And is not afraid to air out her sex life for the greater good! She’s such an icon!!!” I cringed inside and had to stop watching, it just got so uncomfortable to watch😭🤧
Apart from No Way Home, post-Endgame movies were either a stepdown or underwhelming and worse, straight up unwatchable (Thor: Love and Thunder). Hopefully they'll regain their streak starting with Quantumania, which I hope is good cause it certainly looks different from the first two films
@@CabezasDePescado Half of the movies weren't trash, that's the thing. They were well thought-out for the most part and were coherent in bringing to story together by the end of Phase 3. Are you just not a superhero movie fan?
Not really. It was just that your tasteless heart was in it. But to me MCU has always felt like a cynical cash grab and a cancerous growth on any alternative reality where greater works could've been made. Now we got 10 years of... ugh.. what a bore its been. Finally over, I hope.
I agree on everything except the Miles Morales point. Spiderverse was so great on its own. The animated movie was perfect in every way though Sony took Miles story for the multiverse. Anyways the writers did a great job distinguishing miles from Peter.
I don’t like the Miles Morales story, and I don’t get the hype. I hate the quote “Anyone can be Spider-Man!” Like no, then he wouldn’t be special. Miles isn’t even Peter Parker. It’s a retcon and not lore friendly.
@@adrilovesadonaithe "anyone can be spiderman" thing is kind of referring the anonymity of the mask. it means you aren't resonating with a face, race or gender, you resonate with the _character_ and the idea that being a hero isn't restricted to anyone special, you can all do your best to be a hero, even if that's in less of the stereotypical 'hero' sense. You just need to help those in need. That's what's so good about miles (and the other spiderpeople). He isn't just "the black spiderman", he is just as much a spiderman as everyone else, and he is own well developed character, and the multiverse story had a plan that kept it sensible and understandable. In a broader sense, The MCU multiverse is not ruined by its premise, it just isn't taking the time to make the most of what it has and devolved into an incomprehensible mess.
@@adrilovesadonaithe idea of "Anyone can be Spiderman" is not novel to Spiderverse, this idea is built into the foundational philosophy of Spider Man. Stan Lee talks about this in an interview with Larry King on TH-cam.
I saw that Jeremy Renner's accident may lead him to lose his legs. Everything is falling apart even in real life, I hope he gets better and that his condition right now is not permanent.
Youre telling me dude, I just got hit by a car on my bike badly in CA, and flooding just hit us hard. Too bad the mcu already destroyed Hawkeye as a character. I wish Renner luck in his recovery.
You failed to mention Blade in your chronological record, it came out before X-Men and it was moderately successful on a 45M budget and generating little over 130M at the box office, plus the DVD sales since they were still in use at the time.
I was sad that Blade wasn’t mentioned. I’ve heard some say that the costume design of X-men went for the dark leather instead of the original colors due to the success of Blade and the aesthetic present in it.
@@darkusaurelius Lmao yes very true. Also vampires were in too just in general like Buffy, and then later the Underworld franchise. Man, simpler times lol
MCU should’ve went on a hiatus after ENDGAME for a couple years with no movies and then come back some years later with fresh content that had been thought out and filmed in secrecy with no deadlines and total creativity and passion rather than the sole agenda of making money. THEN it would’ve made a huge comeback that everyone would’ve loved.
The point regarding not utilizing Dr. Strange as the centerpiece of this entire phase is spot on. Each multiverse iteration seemed to operate outside of each other, when they should have been intertwined. There was never a real link between the TVA collapsing, Dr. Strange's spell screw up, and all the stuff that happened in MoM. It was kind of a return to how the Netflix and ABC Marvel TV shows were never truly allowed to intersect with the MCU. That just ended up making it fall flat. For instance, the fact that Phil Colson dying was an integral part of The Avengers, but him coming back to life for years never caught the attention of The Avengers and Agents of Shield never really crossed paths with anyone, either. Same with all the street level Netflix characters never really interacting with the MCU.
Aside from Nick Fury making a few appearances you're right. The movies did affect the shows however, and I could definitely see some people being thrown for a loop if they kept watching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. without watching The Winter Soldier
Having the Defenders become the new team instead of a bootlegged Avengers could have been great. Strange and Spidey, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, an all new team because they've done the avenging those they lost, now it's time to defend what's left.
Phase 4 was such a disappointment, and even more than that Im 50, and Marvel comics have been part of my life since the late 70's. And even I was just watching stuff, just because it came out and was Marvel, in case I missed something that might matter. This was the phase I have never rewatched anything every again. While I have watched the previous 3 phases movies multiple times over the years. I hope Phase 5 with Antman in February is a reset to this "the message" and "men are stupid" garbage.
Same. The only phase 4 thing I've watched more than once is No Way Home and Shang-Chi, and the latter was better on the first watch while the former was still standing strong. Compare that to how many times I've watched Guardians or Iron Man or Winter Soldier. Obviously they have been out for a longer period of time, but I didn't own them for a long time. I only bought them when they did the Infinity Saga boxset. I can access Love and Thunder for free essentially on Disney+, but I have no interest in doing so. I don't care to rewatch Wakanda Forever. I'd rather rewatch Black Panther.
@@angrygoldfish No Way Home is the given, as we all know although its "tied" to Phase 4, its not Phase 4. I used to buy all the Blu Rays of the Marvel movies, because I knew I would rewatch them. Beside No Way Home, I dont think I have bought any phase 4 movies, because I left the theatre with a Meh. Or worse, I just waited for streaming (Im talking to you Eternals)) which I fell asleep in twice at home. I went to Wakanda Forever, because well, anything had to be better then Love and Thunder. Nope. And I went to these because movies were in theatres again and wanted to go out. But hey, I can say I was one of the few that went to Morbius, because, well, I went alone and watched to be back in a theatre,
It won't be, don't get your hopes up. Marvel has been down the drain for a decade at least when it comes to comics. All they are doing is bringing the excrement that are their contemporary comics to the big screen.
@@JPG.01 Well I dont read new stuff really unless its a graphic novel at the library. I quit collecting in 1996 after the Clone Saga travesty. So up to Marvel Phase 3 ending in Infinity War, were stories with decades of back history. Maybe thats why Phase 4 is terrible, only a backlog of 10 years or so of stories too pull from, so older fans like myself feel no link to the movies anymore. Kang has been around since the late 60's, so will see how this goes.
I believe one thing Disney doesnt get anymore is what many franchises fail to see now days. The MCU was built in respect and love letter to the audience who waited for this for more than 40 years to happen. Now days they took the best and most profitable IP existed on earth and they sh*t right in front of the eyes of the average nerd/fan/moviegoer.
Superhero movies as a whole might be falling out of fashion. It’s like how westerns were a massive trend back in the 60s and 70s but fell out of fashion. To paraphrase Jake Skywalker “It’s time for the Hero’s to end.”
I definitely think they're falling out of fashion - but that's primarily due to drop in quality they've experienced after Endgame. However, I do think video game adaptations are poised to become the next big Hollywood craze, and will see much more long-term success as they offer significantly more genre & story variety then Superhero movies do. It also helps that Disney doesn't have a complete monopoly over the upcoming video game phase - because the gaming IPs are much more evenly-split and divided between various movie corporations & studios.
@@alexs29 I think it’s the case that not everyone enjoys a different type of superhero movie. Superhero movies always have the same formula and i imagine it’s getting boring after three phases. Phase 4 was definitely their try and making different types of movies and even though the movies were poorly made, people still didn’t really enjoy the new types as much as they did the originals. The problem is people are getting bored of the originals. So what should they do? It just seems that these genres of movies are done for a little and eventually will come back when people forget the hype around them. Then rinse and repeat. It’s a trend that is relentless.
I was a big Batman, Nightcrawler & X-Men the Animated series fan growing up. There was so much diverse aspects of media & it was genuine. The story of mutants was universally relatable. Captain Planet. Spawn was so awesome and the entire world around him is so unique. There's such a creative range of character's, creatures, unique things, weird things, macabre things. I loved how things used to not be afraid to embrace things, odd things, difficult things. Good stories used to be told, in very creative intelligent ways. Nowadays everything is this cheap cop out shallow live action version nonsense. I miss the Era of creativity, of animated series, of things that made us utilize our intelligence and our internal structure that connects us to any character no matter what kind of character, creature, specie's they are. There is so many stories we could be telling and art that could be creating but we are treating our entire audience like they are 2 yr olds that just need shiney keys waved in front of their face for entertainment... But at the end of the day it's very shallow cheap way to entertain... That's how I look at a lot of modern day media. ~~~~~~~~ I sincerely don't think kids who are younger than 20 understand just how open-minded & creative the 90's were. I was born in 1989 & I had a very diverse range of friends. The media, commercials, movies, TV shows were all Genuinely diverse and well made. Man I miss that era and I don't get how we have actually went BACKWARDS. Video games, animated series, TV shows, movies, things to do, everything was just so awesome and creative and people were real. I hope we reconnect with that.
honestly if the writing wasn't so horrendous phase 4 wouldn't be that bad. but writers hate canon and the characters they're writing about and here we are
@@Artcat932 yeah, exactly, and if it's one thing I hate is inconsistent characterisation. really most of phase 4's issues come from the fact that the people who are writing these hate the characters and the mcu
I think The Incredible Hulk is the MCU's most underrated movie. I absolutely loved the way they introduced the Hulk in a horror scene. I loved Tim Roth reveling in the gifts he received from the Super Soldier Serum. And I loved the final fight when Hulk was going gangster on the Abomination and it was a scream from Betty that snapped him out of it. Not a flawless movie, but I loved it.
@@IamjustBruh BRO FR everyone was saying Norman sucks but he really did better than ruffalo, ruffalo’s latest performances as Bruce banner were so shit
All they have to do is make a good planet hulk movie and we could start a new phase that bring in multiple characters and could be a retcon for the mcu they need one already
Blade box office: 131 million Blade 2 box office: 155 million Blade 3 box office: 131 million X-Men box office: 296 million X-Men 2 box office: 407 million X-Men 3 box office: 460 million But yeah, keep telling yourself Blade is the one LMAO!
@@leonreborn1308 are you niggas dumb? Blade showed marvel that they can more of these and people would be interested. Jesus I hate the internet you niggas suck at research. I said POTENTIAL. Not an actual black panther sized juggernaut. FUCK lol
5:16 they actually started if off very well with WandaVision. WV was extremely well received and got double digit Emmy nominations the first marvel project to ever actually receive nominations for prestigious awards. It was the other shows that weren't good or received very well and the phase tanked from there
The biggest issue for me is that they just wanted to make all the avengers teens or 20’s. There are younger versions of like all of them now. They could have had amazing stories with established characters but they went cheap hired young and unknown and thought too long term
@@SYXX-II RDJ was fine with going on with more movies but wanted to take a step back and be a supporting character. It wouldn't have been hard to cripple him and allow him to retire peacefully with his family. Ty Sheridan is literally waiting to play Iron Lad and you could have had Tony train him into being his successor. Right there you have a whole new Iron Man trilogy, tie ins with Armor Wars and Kang and a possible Young Avengers Trilogy if you play your cards right. And I GUARANTEE that people would go see it. Iron Man is one of the only Avengers people don't get tired of. But instead they turned it into a political shitfest. This is why nerd stuff isn't fun anymore - we let the "cool kids" take it away from us.
Wanda's kids were so annoying. That song they sang when they wanted ice cream was like watching your friend's annoying kids perform some rubbish at a party.
The biggest problem they've had is they keep having people with no experience writing action films as the creators. The writers for She-Hulk admitted they had no interest or any kind of history in the genre. So many of these different people have no history of it and then they're being given the reins to a big budget action film so what are you expect except for failure. Also there's a dangerous line between showing how much money a film is made along with critiquing the quality of it. Films making a lot of money doesn't really make it a success artistically. I would like to believe we all know that but I'm not sure if people do
I think the main problem is no clear direction. With the avengers the first set of movies built up to them meeting up and THEN moved onto the Thanos arc. The MCU always had a clear cut well thought out direction and I'm ngl phase 4 just feels like "WHAT STORIES CAN WE DO THAT ARE BIG AND COOL TO TOP END GAME" /like NWH and MoM. They seem like world changing events but in the end aren't that massive in the grand scheme of things
This is exactly my thought too. Why Thanos was so successful isn’t just because “he is a universe altering force,” it’s because they built him up to be that force. Audiences don’t care if you say the villain is grand, they need to experience it. The MCU could get away with some lackluster “side quests” before endgame, because there was this feeling that it still built into something. Now it’s just side quests
1998's Blade deserves credit too for helping to save the superhero genre. And many argue it's thanks to Blade that Marvel was able to stick around and later create the MCU.
I am cool with the MCU collapsing. When they wrapped it up with the defeat of Thanos I was pretty satisfied and didn't intend to watch any other MCU movies. Maybe Doctor Strange I figured. Well I saw Doctor Strange, and it was rather confusing. Apparently I had to watch a TV series to understand what was going on? Wandavision? That is when I fully checked out. I am not going to spend all of my time consuming Disney properties so I can understand and watch other Disney Properties.
I didn't watch Loki and I had no idea who Kang was. I think when we skip a show or a movie, we feel it's really not worth our time to catch up. So we skip more and more shows and movies, and in turn we feel more and more left out. That cycle is the problem MCU has to solve.
Ideology can’t be ignored as a big reason for the MCU’s failure. You can track most of the current problems (bad characterization, bad plotting, bad metadirection choices…) to exactly *that* which is why focusing on that problem as much as people have is warranted.
You can make any ideologically driven work interesting. I just feel like there's not really enough interesting directions to take the story now to really justify continuing making movies.
@@Lyendith True. It was seen as a horror-action movie franchise (which it is) with a lot of people not realizing it was base don a comic. I remember when Black Panther came out and people were saying it was the first black superhero movie. Spawn, Meteor Man and Steel aside, when the Blade films were brought up, I kept hearing "But Blade's not a real superhero"... whatever that means.
I’m SO glad we got the Russo brothers to finish off the Infinity Saga strong. Do you know how lucky we were? There is a LOT to handle in those movies we totally could have had a Multiverse of Madness situation ruining the entire saga. If this had to happen, I’m glad it happened after we had some sort of conclusion.
@@TheDayd111returns Disney greed ruined it man. I think if just Kevin and the people who had passion worked on it we'd have a great franchise. But cooperate meddling gives us this sloppy mess
For a while, my wife was doing the whole "it's not good, but it's not _that_ bad either" thing. Well, that was before she saw what happened to Scarlet Witch, one of her favorite characters. When we finished Wandavision, my wife said something like "fuck this shit, I'm done".
I think little credit is given to Blade, which it gave a massive kickstart to the comic book movies again and pertrude the way for, as you stated, the first X-Men movie.
Blade doesn’t count. It was a vampire movie, lot’s of people were not familiar with it being a comic book. But it revived the vampire genre. X-men was the beginning imo.
Blade 1 and 2... come on! Marvel's unspoken jewel in the crown. We also had the Crow, not Marvel or DC, but a comic book. And of course, wait for it... The Transformers The Movie 1987.
Blade was one of the best comic adaptations, I remember he had cameo’d in the spiderman cartoon and it felt like the same character on the big screen. Comic book movies back then had a problem staying faithful to the source material, unfortunately that trend is coming back
Considering Invincible and MHA, superhero fatigue is a flimsy excuse. Another big problem was the fact that they blew their load too early with Endgame. I really think phase 4 should've taken place during the snap years. Let people see the full effect rather than a few glimpses.
I feel like another reason why it's collapsing is due to them releasing so much content in a short period of time that people get overwhelmed with it. should've properly spaced out the projects and slowly let people digest them lmao
I think one of the other problems is Disney is trying to release a movie or release multiple movies every year but I think it should be a couple of movies every year like maybe one or two and focus on story and characters to make it good
Phase 4 should’ve been a epilogue to phase 3. After endgame release Spider-Man far from home, but then have a Disney+ show showing the events of the movies from the perspective of the citizens. The avengers Captain America, the Winter soldier, age of Ultron, the 5 year blip would have made a great show displaying what the citizens suffer through that we don’t see in the movies
Your guess as to what caused the decline in box office revenue was missing one crucial factor. Disney Plus. A lot of people have no problem waiting for it to end up on their living room TV now as opposed to going out to a theater, especially when dealing with kids going crazy running around a movie theater.
How come Avatar just made $2 billion then, it will be on Disney plus eventually too. The movies didn’t make as much money because they were not good and got bad reviews not because of streaming
Finally, someone explaining why the movies are bad now without saying "woke culture whatever" and just pointing out the writing isn't cutting it, and they aren't setting up characters to replace what they cashed in in End Game.
Time for the unapologetic shows to shine. The Boys, Invincible. They are successful because they break away from the mold and focus on great story telling more that anything else
I give it a few years from now and DC and Marvel will hop on the trend that the boys have sat. I think in a few years, we'll be going back to more 2000's action flicks of superheroes that don't need to dumb themselves down for the kiddies. Like Blade, Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy and such.
Let's be honest, if they brought back the OG cast I'm pretty sure the hype would FAR surpass the level of nitpicking nerds going "but the sacrifices in endgame! 🤓" the franchise is literally worth billions of dollars. It cannot be maintained by up-and-comers and indy actors, plain and simple. There's other movies for that, they have supporting roles for a reason... The problem is too many TV spinoffs too.
19:48 I love how you left boring Hawkeye out lol! But you should have definitely included Loki & Nick Fury. Their actors and characters *were* cool as hell and deserve more time in the spotlight!
I enjoyed this video as you've hit the nail on the head with all your points. Good luck with the next step of going full-time with your channel. Your videos have had some major numbers, it just shows the high quality of your content!
“Hit the nail on the head” aka diversity offends me 😮 I hate that Namor is a Mexican and black panther was made a woman until Tchalla II grows up to replace her in the M She U 😢 You need to grow up bro
I am getting irked whenever term “superhero fatique” is used to explain why its all failling, because I strongly believe, that superhero genre has still so much to offer - still plenty of good heroes and good stories left. So it is not “superhero fatique”, but “stupid lazy writing with modern moral pandering fatique”. It is sad. But at least, thanks to that, we get great channels and videos like yours, Cynic, thank you! Very nice video :)
Naw it’s that stuff simply runs out of steam. It’s like how comics have their dork ages and their successes. It’s simply hard to keep quality with so many creatives over long periods of time.
@@scarlett9750 modern moral isn't bad, but is used as the only selling point. If you want stories that take social justice but is also really fucking good stories. Go read PALE by wildbow
Yeah it's clear Super Hero fatigue is not the problem since, as this video points out, the movies are the most watched/highest grossing/most marketable things out there still. The desire is there, it's just the era leading up to Endgame set the bar super high.
Because its happening and its why its being used. After Endgame, people have seen it all about superheroes. Marvel should've taken a step back for a year of two to refocus their next story but kept pumping mediocre or disappointing projects. Hiring lazy writers is just easier than writers with who actually cares about the story, cause Marvel can compel them to write this way etc
Very well said. I like your mention of the Monsterverse. "Mild success", at least compared to other giant film franchises, is how I'd also describe it.
Dr Strange 2 was backbreaking. Done right that movie had every chance of competing with NWH as far as revenue maybe even surpassing it. I never expected much from the D+ shows or Thor and certainly not the Wakanda movie. As soon as I saw how far they were deviating with Namor I knew that was sunk. MoM was the Last Jedi moment of the franchise. Secret Wars will be the true death blow. You know they will bring back RDJ and Evans only to ruin their legacies to “pass the torch” just like Disney did with the Star Wars originals.
I don't think they can fool Robert Downey Jr. to come back for some woke-cringe fest. He is smarter than than, and seems to be happy with leaving his legacy as Tony Stark as it is.
I think he was referring to the comicbooks, which I do agree with cause even tho most people can't be bothered to actually read any superhero comics new and old these days characters like Spiderman and Batman still have had a bunch of popular stories and villains that influenced other adaptations of the characters on media, the closest thing Miles got before into the Spiderverse was maybe the prowler and that only got popular because into the Spiderverse very loosely adapted few key parts of Mile's story in the comics to the point that it makes for a better story but obviously isn't recognizable as the source material, Miles only got past the label of black Spiderman sidekick in pop culture after Into the Spiderverse completely rewrote him to have an actual personality and identity that while similar to Peter Parker still feels his own, you can see how influential the film has been just by comparing the first ps4 Spiderman game with the Miles Morales spinoff which were released like a couple of years apart from each other, if we are talking strictly source material wise Miles is pretty mid, but yeah it's weird that he didn't at least mention into the Spiderverse since it pretty much took over as the popular version like how Mr Freeze became iconic due to the 90's Batman cartoon origin story.
I remember people being so hyped for Infinity war and Endgame. Those days are long gone and people don't even talk about MCU anymore. How the mighty have fallen
I've always thought that the sacking of James Gunn messed up the MCU something fierce. This could be the Mandela effect coming into play, but I'm sure I once saw Marvel talk about the MCU's direction after Endgame. While there would still be movies set on Earth, the storyline would go into space. To coincide with Disney devouring Fox in 2019, characters like Galactus and the Silver Surfer would debut. But the most important detail was that Gunn would take the helm. It was going to be "The Cosmic Saga". Then Gunn was fired, snatched up by DC and announced he was leaving Marvel after Guardians 3. Feige panicked, until he saw the success of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. By the time Sony's movie came out, Endgame had already been completed. The main aspect of Endgame was time travel. Prior to Gunn's dismissal, plot points, like 2012 Loki getting away with the Tesseract, could easily be handwaved by saying that they didn't happen after Captain America returned the Infinity Stones. Feige thought "Well, time travel and alternate realities are still cosmic, so it works!" The Cosmic Saga was hastily retooled into The Multiverse Saga. Unfortunately, remnants of Gunn's original plan were also left in. That's why the Ten Rings are broadcasting a message into space. That's why Ms. Marvel's bangles are from the Noor Dimension. That's why Hulk went back to Sakaar. I bet you Guardians 3 has no connection to the Multiverse Saga because Gunn's not changing his original storyline. We got Spider-Man: No Way Home out of it, but the rest of Phase 4 was horseshit.
This is EXACTLY the issue, but the narrative these TH-camrs are running is that the M She U was ruined by wokeness when it was James Gunn leaving that messed it up. Most people just don’t even know what they’re mad at and it’s absurd. Your point is the actual reason. Everyone else has contrived ass opinions and really make huge reaches and exaggerations to fit their little narrative. Megan thee stallion twerking with she hulk is pretty true to the tone of her comics. She hulk was never a good character nor did her comics exist to be taken seriously nor were they made to target the men who don’t get it. Honestly most complaints are fucking stupid and I do not respect those people who are triggered by minor factors like “forced diversity”. You hit the nail in the head and this is what I call valid criticism and unbiased observations.
This comment needs to be pinned. Your points are much more valid than those made by “M SHE U” bandwagon critics like this channel and the other big haters.
@@AndrewManook And you’re the judge? I don’t even think they’re amazing and I understand the criticism Phase 4 gets, heck I even agree with a lot of it. I also detest the idea that any criticism of works like these makes you racist and/or sexist, but truth be told that’s mostly what I see from arguments like those on this channel. It’s like you guys never got over that stupid Ghostbusters reboot.
@20:36 Exactly this. They thought they could polish a turd, slap a "Marvel" stamp on it, and it would sell like a chocolate bar. *It's such a simple formula,* just give the customers what they want (fan service). Instead they had to play with the formula and spoil it like a bad chef. :\ I'm astounded how they could mess all this up. It's why "No Way Home" was a box office smash. Fans got what they wanted, and fans rewarded Sony for it.
I see you failed to mention Moon Knight which honestly rocked, I really hope they bring Punisher back. I have been patiently waiting for Ghost rider to enter the mix and F up the MCU we need an anti-hero who can stand in as a villain some times
Not to mention with the Punisher they can get a nice change of pace from your average supes given how his only superpower is having multiple firearms and threats that would be a cakewalk to your average hero would be a suicide mission for the Punisher. Obviously Marvel wouldn't do that given the Punisher is a white male with firearms and that's a nono
I’m so happy for you for quitting your job and throwing it all into this channel! You are so great at making the videos engaging and finding the clips to go with the talking.
Excellent and concise summation of the many failings of Phase 4. Some "fun" stats to back it up: Thanks to the shows on the streaming service, there are more hours of content in Phase 4 than in Phases 1-3 combined. And, of all that content, the only universally praised and liked entry... was the one made mostly by Sony. I think that says quite a lot on its own.
@@majumder456 Loki also character assassinates... Loki. And removes free-will from the prior MCU while completely contradicting and shitting on its world building, so I don't give a fuck what people liked about it.
@@spartansquid5931 I’m pretty sure this is not the case. Though it may seem this way i’m pretty sure it’s been proven that the Avengers did indeed have free will and that their timeline was considered the true timeline in which they had free will to do whatever. Im definitely not expanding it right but i do remember watching a video over it.
as a fan of the mcu. i can also agree to this. phase 1 - 3 was great. i loved every movie that came out. when endgame was over, it felt like the entire story was done. finished. and that's pretty much where i left off.
To be fair, both Falcon and She-Hulk have very well stablished personalities that extend to more than "Cap's black sidekick" and "Green chick", and very dedicated fanbases, specially She-Hulk. The problem's that the writes clearly don't know what made these characters endearing and charismatic. She-Hulk was beloved for her comedy and meta stories, not twerking and Daredevil. As a parallel, pairing She-Hulk and Daredevil reminds me of when DC tried pairing Superman and Wonder Woman. It doesn't matter they don't really have any chemistry or anything in common aside of the basics of being both lawyers. Sure, Daredevil's dark and moody personality wonderfully works alongside Shulkie's quirky laid-back personality
@@kylewilliam4230 I feel like you're exagerating. The way I see it, woke culture is just sometimes annoying. I believe global change, corruption, discrimination... That's what's destroying society
@@hearts4mikey basically yes. Sure, sometimes it's over the top...but not something I care about. I think people are more "upset" that these studios are "forcing" it, rather than it be organic and I don't disagree. But am I going to make a 30 min video on it? No. That's dumb as fuck.
Really think ...when did Kevin Feige start being called a genius? That’s when the wheels began falling off. That guy is just living in the house RDJ built but no one ever calls him on it
Their first fatal flaw was deciding to “capitalize” on the success of endgame instead of letting everyone and everything breathe. WandaVision made so much sense as the first project after the infinity saga, but the ending was terrible. That was really the canary in the coal mine. It was excellent and fresh until the end. Then they just kept pumping so much shit out to the point that even big fans couldn’t consume it all. They should’ve done WandaVision, then Loki (they butchered that too tho), then the multiverse show and THATS IT. Then move to Spiderman to set up the multiverse stuff followed by an actually good Multiverse of Madness showing Dr Strange as the new lead with Wanda and Loki. I truly cannot fathom any of their recent decisions. My biggest complaint is that nothing has that common thread that it so desperately needs. I wish I could have She Hulk erased from my memory. I literally will not watch a movie she’s in.
Totally unrelated but , shout out to you think you forgot to count you self as a hero Cynic ! To have the determination and breviary to quit your job and work on this channel that you truly do enjoy making ! Know it can be scary but also know it will be a great year !! For you and this community!
With Kevin Fiege announcing that a lot of phase five’s content as a re-evaluation of their content output, it gives me some hope that phase five won’t be as bad as phase four was.
**WHY I DIDN’T MENTION BLADE**: When that movie came out in the 90s, most people didn’t know it was based on a comic book. It was financially successful, but not the $100M domestic blockbusters I talk about throughout the video-and Blade was most certainly not considered a superhero at the time. The movie is retroactively known and considered a landmark comic movie, but at the time it didn’t do anything for the genre because no one even knew it was a part of it.
100% agreed. People want to re write history with Blade but it certainly didn't have an effect in the superhero genre at the time
I wonder how a modern-day blade movie with an older Wesley Snipes would do? One last adventure. It's crazy how much they love inclusion and digging up old IPs. But, they leave my boy out of the party!
Whoa! You didn't mention Wyatt Russell as John Walker! He was amazing! He has his dad's acting prowess.❤
I want Karl urban to play wolverine. And grant Gustin as cyclops.
The blade movie saved Marvel.
While watching Endgame back in 2019, I remember thinking "there s no way Marvel could possibly top this." And yes as it turns out they couldn't.
Especially with all the terrible characters they continue to add.
NWH was good and GOTG was good but nothing will top endgame
@@shelbspufflyshang chi too
call me crazy, but I don't think Endgame was good. It had SOME good moments, even great moments, but I cant say that I really enjoyed the movie like I enjoyed the 1st avengers. IMO peak MCU was phase 1, and I liked a few of the other ones (Civil War, AntMan (scott & cassie melt my cold dead heart), Infinity War, and Agents of Shield).
I really did not like it. Same with NWH.
Chris Hemsworth bowing out of any more movies 'unless they are different' is a sign that they are losing one of the few charismatic characters still left.
He did a show on disney+ and his blood work done came back that both his mom and dad have the gene for altzhimers and he may develop it in his 40's so he's taking time off and spending it with family!
He moreso said he wants his character to be fresh and do something unexpected as opposed to mcu overall not being fresh.
Regardless, he is taking away from acting for his family vs. Amy particular movie or franchise. Chris never talked bad about Disney nor marvel (although some things from love and thunder did happen allegedly, like he was forced to do that nearly completely naked scene after Taiki pressured him). The franchise made his career and gave him the opportunity to discover he has genes for alzheimers and dementia and have the financial means to not work for however long he wants to be with his family.
He is probably completely indebted to disney for all this
@@cheetah219 y’all taking this matter into y’all own hands that man didn’t say that the mcu ain’t dying no time soon
@Dortacia Parks, The MCU is dead and wokeness killed it.
Thor has been turned into a bufoon. I have zero interest in seeing more of the character on screen. I have no idea where this idea that Hemsworth is funny has come from... He is cheesy cringe beyond belief.
I feel like the biggest problem is how much Marvel is trying to push out in such a short amount of time. A lot of stuff feels rushed and disconnected from each other.
plus wokeness.
They pushed out a lot of films early on the difference is they had good stories actors characters and were not pushing woke just fun movies for all.
@lance9249 They really didnt though... Not to this degree atleast. No seriously, phase 4 has as many projects releases as phases 1-3 combined
Agents of Shield weren't that popular or good. How in earth they thought they could continue with TV shows.
It was because of Disney+ they pushed hard on Quarterly releases of movies and a plethora of TV shows.
The mcu right now feels like that one assignment you submit 5 minutes before the deadline. Every script feels like it was written in an afternoon.
For real. It's the same shit Marvel keeps recycling over and over.
That’s always been a weak point for marvel and it’s only getting worse.
Take it with a grain of salt, but I heard they want Scott Derickson back for Doctor Strange 3 as if it was Sam Rami’s fault that MoM sucked. His stylistic directing was the best thing about that film. The script was horrendous and they’re having that guy write one of the next avengers film. Ridiculous
We should be so lucky.
The script feels like it was written in an all nighter fuelled by adderall, red bull and a huge dose of arrogance.
@@francjameso Scott derricson won't do unless it's rated R with Dr strange journey, not someone else journey
nah
Used to be a giant MCU fan as I grew up. It meant a lot to me. It was always, "yeah, there are a few duds, but there are still the classics and there's still the heart". Sad to see it fall apart like this and feel like soulless cash-grabbing.
The MCU has always been soulless garbage to me. The only superhero movies I find good are the first 2 Spider-Man ones and The Dark Knight.
@@tricko8000 I mean, you could take that perspective. But if you watch this video here I think it makes some good points about what's changed in the MCU, because it hasn't always been soulless. Even if someone never liked the movies, it doesn't mean they didn't have 1) heart, 2) charismatic and compelling leads (in many people's view), and 3) a clear vision and direction. None of which exists now.
soulless cash-grabbing?...sadly a good way to describe it T_T
Get off your knees bro I promise they don’t care about your opinion 😂 hate it so much you watch a 25 minute video you sure you hate it???
@@tricko8000 You're not a superhero movie fan, we get it. Want a cookie?
It's really just an example as to why ending a story is incredibly important. Endgame was the climax, the movie the entire franchise was building up to. And now that they're still being forced out, the MCU is slowly and painfully realising that there's nothing left to tell.
In other words you're just impatient and want an Avengers movie every year. Got it.
@@toshtao1 How on earth did you gather that? I was a casual enjoyer of these movies at most and got sick of them like six years ago because every movie since Guardians of the Galaxy has adapted to the style of that movie and now they're all the same fucking movie. They're corporate, heartless, shallow products, but decent popcorn flicks at best.
@@jarltrippin Marvel is dead
@@angeloalvarez5520 That's my hope. I'm sick of these movies. Scorsese was right.
@@jarltrippin I'll have to disagree on that. The MCU was the exemplar on how to do fun superhero films until these past two years. Was I and many others wrong to enjoy them?
After hearing Charlie Cox say,
“ Born Again isn’t as violent as Netflix “ *which is fine - but when he said* “We need to find what worked for The Netflix Show and make it work for a *Younger Audience* “ it’s pretty much a wrap. Daredevil for kids or in the style of Moon Knight still spells out it’s gonna be trash
"Still spells out its gonna be trash in MY opinion" fixed it for your dumbass :)
I'm honestly surprised Deadpool 3 is rated R.
hopefully its mroe like wintersoldier and the dark knight trilogy
@@TheRibottoStudios By the time Deadpool comes out no one would even care about MCU
@@INFILTR8US First 3 episodes were good rest was Meh
Strange is such a missed opportunity for a main character. He’s a multiverse travelling wizard so he could be any series in any world, he’s insanely skilled with magic so there are plenty of reasons for people to look for him and include him in the plot, he’s tasked with protecting the multiverse so he could easily have motives to defeat villains, and he could even lead a new team considering his skills and charisma.
Feige said he was the new anchor of the MCU. Don't know what happened 🙈 Should have focused on him getting lost in the multiverse and befriending his variants, to him learning he can be an ass and over ambitious, then meeting evil strange who he thought was good and then have a big epic fight, then could have led back to Dormanmmu again or something as overaching villain. Rather than it being about America, Wanda and pointless illuminati being killed. Ugh.
He's weird and ugly
And what's wasted exactly?
literally
Strange Supreme to me really proved just how good his character could have been. Strange is the epitome of moral nuance. He's basically Thanos as a good guy; extremely smart, extremely strong, extremely capable, extremely willed, and morally nuanced. Then they spent an entire movie having him learn two lessons
1 : don't ever do anything arguably morally bad, even though you've had to to save the universe several times now and you're literally having to do the same fucking thing right this second by using dark magic to posses your own corpse, but don't do it because it's wrong and you take it too far.
2 : don't worry about not doing anything arguably morally bad because remember, you have plot armor. Who cares if there is literally no way out of this situation, the child with immeasurable multiverse power is even telling you to take it from them, and if you lose the entire fucking multiverse will be the plaything of a maddened witch? You're the main character, just tell them to believe in themselves and it'll all work out!
They took Strange, a character who would do whatever it took to succeed and always knew the consequences of failure, and undid all of that.
Agreed!! Robert Downy Jr was a big reason why the MCU worked really well! You can feel his absence in the new phases.
Honestly, after his interview for Oppenheimer where he ignorantly said women would never start wars or drop the bomb, he lost me and any project with him loses my interest.
@@domesticdragonwafflehe’s not wrong tho lmao women are not as violent as men. That’s a fact. Women don’t get Physically violent either and can control their the better. That includes WAR, which to men, is just a game
@@domesticdragonwafflewhat?? What does he even mean by that? 😭
The fact is they don't respect their already established characters. The character previously acted a certain way and now it looks like oneday they woke up and lost 100 IQ points. They just don't feel the same characters.
This sounds very familiar. I just watched Thor in Thor: Love and Thunder...
@@vaimantobe3034 and Dr. Strange
For real. Even installments most people agree are good or at least the best parts of phase 4 are guilty of that.
That’s been happening since the first avengers movie, Tony Stark’s character development that he had from his two movies disappeared once they got on that helicarrier
@@vampsithFinally someone said it👏🏾
I think one problem with Phase 4; there’s too much! With the inclusion of Disney+ shows (essentially 6 hour long movies) there’s just too much to watch if you want to keep up with the MCU. During the Infinity Saga that’s part of what led to success for any movie in the MCU, audiences felt like they had to see every one.
Perfectly said.
I think the Disney shows are a good idea in concept they just needed to be more spread out or they should have had it be 1 show with seasons focusing on different characters or different collection of characters doing things that don’t fit in a movie
I think my two biggest problems are:
1) C-List Superheroes - Sure they were successful with Guardians of the Galaxy, but that was the exception not the rule. They failed to do the same with Ant-Man, She-Hulk, etc.
2) TV Shows - Not everyone has time to invest in TV shows. My cousin for example has seen every single Phase 1 movie, but he hasn't seen a single Phase 4 TV show.
Just good old over-saturation. It's inevitable.
*12-hour long with ‘Loki.’
MCU phase four really is the gift that keeps giving with how utterly pointless and bad it is. It’s amazing how we went from Endgame to this.
Endgame could not have been named better.
I’m not even sure they could have ruined it faster if they’d hired Rian Johnson to run it.
@@Kyle_Posey *Kathleen Kennedy
It just doesn’t seem sporting to criticize the MCU anymore. It’s like picking on the skinny runt in gym class… after he quit taking steroids
It sounds like Feige was holding the diversity execs at bay almost all the way through Phase III, promising woke and PC projects after the Thanos arc was concluded. That's what kept the mega-narrative pure until the 2020's. Now the MCU has had to pay off the PC people with Phase IV garbage, and we all see the results. Perhaps the phase was ended quickly because it is felt the ideological folks have been placated, and the studio can try to get back to focusing on a unifying storyline, with more appealing characters.
Hemsworth went from saying he was excited to continue after endgame to saying he wants out after one movie 💀
I mean tbf probably a good thing since I'm pretty sure he is starting to get Alzheimer's
Probably best to just lay low
He just never said he wants out.
@@SYXX-II Hemsworth isn't "starting to get Alzheimer's" he's just genetically predisposed. He has a gene that increases the chance of getting it, but it isn't 100% confirmed that he ever will.
@@SYXX-II He has the gene for it he doesn't have dementia. Having the gene also INCREASES your risk of getting it. It doesn't guarantee it, especially not if you're taking care of your health the way he does.
Dude's a cuck, he'll be back in no time when they told him to
There's a reason why the boys and invincible are doing so well. It's not fatigue. It's approach. Marvel has no other tricks, they're a one trick pony.
Facts 🎉
The boys is soooo good😍
This is the truth, The Boys and Invincible feel so refreshing.
Lighter series like “My Adventures With Superman” are doing great as well. They just don’t have anything else to say with the MCU and it shows
@@DracaliaRayDo you know when season 4 is coming?
One thing that is still confusing to me is how the multiverse works. The Ancient One was the first to explain it, and then in phase 4 there are multiple contradicting/confusing explanation on what it is like in Loki, Multiverse of Madness, No Way Home, etc.
Here’s how I see it, The Sacred Timeline that He Who Remains made is that one big cable with multiple wires inside it, those wires resembles multiverses that coexist beside each other but don’t branch out on one another. It only branches out if a Kang variant was detected or if that universe was too “different” to where it leads into a dangerous Kang variant which is why He Who Remains created the TVA to monitor it and prune any Universes that would branch out and lead into a incursion ( Universes colliding into one another ) but we all know He Who Remains died in loki which is why the Multiverse is collapsing now and branching into one another that lead to Spiderman No way Home and Dr strange MOM and so on… Meanwhile dimensions are just different realms of that specific universe, then the Quantum realm being that bedrock of all Universes in the Multiverse meaning there’s only one quantum realm
One of the most insane concepts is the idea of Incursions. Multiverse of Madness established that you can destroy universes by traveling between them when Loki is a whole show. One of the most I’ll-planned ideas. Your biggest overarching plot has a massive plot hole
@@MrBonzeMedal it can cause an incursion it’s not automatic
You will never know how it works because THEY don't know how it works. Which is why all their explanations contradict. They no longer even care about being consistent. And it shows.
There's no point in trying to explain it at this point because of that, really. Current writers and directors have abandoned the majority of the basics set up for them; in a lot of cases just because they want to and the studios let them do it. Hence the constant back and forth. Everyone has been doing their own takes on it, instead of getting together and re-emphasizing teh already existing basics they had in place. Waldron especially (wrote both Loki and MoM) has been wishy washy about this and the characters whose titles he's been hired to write for, from the start.
They could have fixed this by simply pumping out less content and taking a semi hiatus for 5 years after endgame.
And cutting out all the woke/radical feminism garbage that everyone finds boring, hateful and depressing
@@jplonsdale7242 10000% true once the feminist came in and said “ girl power “ it got worse and watered down . Think about it the avengers is going to be 90% girls
@@shawnwhite8057 well it’s not feminism’s fault, the movie are so performative that everybody (even feminists) hate them. They don’t want to spread genuine messages, they just want to appeal to this woke culture. Their intentions are only financial hence why they do it terribly and she hulk exists
Honestly
@@shawnwhite8057 lol
I think if they simply took a break after Endgame/Far From Home and actually worked on Phase 4 and the plot, than I think we'd be in a *much* better situation then we're in right now.
I'd say the biggest mistake Disney made with MCU was bring in all the "meta" stuff.
It was them basically siding with everyone who disliked the MCU, "hey cool kids, look, we're making fun of the comic silliness too, we're cool aren't we?".
Disney forgot that those "cool kids" who openly mock comic stuff aren't going to stick around to consume comics entertainment, because ultimately comics are just about people in silly colored costumes punching giant aliens.
The emperor has no clothes and all that.
The meta stuff only worked with Deadpool.
@@TibiConstantine and barely at that. It's a dead horse shitty writers keep beating... but to younger minds its exciting. "LOL they talking to us?! That's so novel"
@@TibiConstantine the reason deadpool worked was because he a contrast to how serious other heroes take themselves
But now that no hero takes themselves or their world serious it just become boring and repetitive
I knew this was coming ever since they started to include the Guardians of the galaxy because big corporation don't understand how contrast works when they find something that works and gets them money they beat it till it can no more
@@Granglife I agree, when guardians of the galaxy started acting like deadpool its the start of their decline
@@Granglife Final straw was Thor not taking himself seriously while a god butcher is running around wild. Thor 1 was better than this shit.
Doctor Strange's spell in NWH was so powerful that it collapsed the franchise IRL
Lmao
Was that seriously supposed to be funny?
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 Was that seriously supposed to be serious?
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 you are just another mcu fan
Grow up kiddo time to get a job
Move on from mcu its collapsed its over for now
@@GMPranav Come up with your own comebacks, stupid kid.
I really feel bad for the SFX artists, actors, and writers who are probably doing their best with what they have. A decent chunk of the writing problem probably comes from the top, with pressure from executives at Disney, who have quite a bit of control over what gets made and how (example being the Owl House and it’s semi-cancellation).
That’s not even talking about the hours for writers or SFX artists, and the pay/AI issues that also affect actors. Hollywood is basically on fire right now, and not in a literal (or good) way.
It started going downhill with Endgame. Even with No Way Home the only reason that movie made money was because of cameos and fan service. Phase 4 was garbage. And what's worse is that they keep rehiring the same writers that worked on phase 4 to make future projects. They will be just as bad. Hollywood doesn't learn lessons. They won't get better.
no way home is a masterpiece tho, one of the only good thing that came out of phase 4
@@labyrinth123 I wouldn't call it a masterpiece. It was entertaining enough. Kind of boring until the cameos start happening.
People are just used to big movies dr strange 2 was good lmao
Mcu makes 2 bad movies and everybody is like omg mcu is dying also people can not apreciate other movies that are smaller than infinity war people are bots and pathetic i liked phase4 if iron man never released in 2008 and it released in phase 4 after infinity war people whould say its bad but only cause they are used to big movies like infinity war
@@kamikazeplays6818 I'm sick of being feed the same old "the message" movies. The whole "white man bad, the future is female, strong independent woman. SHAKE THAT GREEN ASS QUEAN" bulshit. That's why I'm no longer invested in the MCU. Unless they change, I doubt they can bring their numbers back to pre Endgame. Because I'd be happy to see a new War Machine movie or TV series, as in a movie or series based around the Ironman suits, as long as it's got good writing.
Thank you for saying Dr Strange was basically a feature in his movie. I said this the second after I saw the movie and people said I was crazy...
They massacred my boy "Professor X"
I felt empty after walking out of the theatre not only on pocket but myself then i got why after seeing some actual reviews
Unpopular opinion. The new Doctor Strange movie was good
Come on you didn’t want to see gay teenager as main character?
Basically every male in the M•$he•U was a guest star in their own movie.
Someone finally voicing the same concern I had about strange not even being a main character in MoM- thank you!
It just felt like Scarlet Witch was more of a main character than Doctor Strange.
You do realise the villian can be the main charater too
@@fatnugs3925 theyre supposed to be A main character not THE main character
@@mudafadoesgaming1968 really? If you think thanos isn't the main charater of infinity war you're pretty stupid
@@fatnugs3925 hes A main character- you don't follow his story and upbringing throughout the movie.
I’m really hoping that phase 5 and further get their spark back and that phase 4 just be that one phase that we all choose not to talk about or acknowledge, like a meme.
The gas leak phase? It was a mass hallucination.
@@trimagnus We don't speak about the Gas-leak phase :D #SixSeasonsandaMovie!
Its funny how ppl whine & complain about this kind of stuff then love on it a decade later. Its amusing. Plus none of this is showing anything wrong w/this phase. Its just the aftermath of a broken world after a huge intergalactic fight. I like the disconnectedness. Its all fun,tbh.
fingers crossed
@@fieryrainysky Yeah, I agree with you, it feels disconnected whether that were on purpose or on accident I still sort enjoy it. Unless Disney does f up phase 5 then 😢
I know this might be a hot take, but honestly, if comic book movies/TV slowed down in release number after this year, that might be a good thing. It's tough to keep up with everything, and it might promote more originality/creativity in Hollywood, who knows?
I agree. The amount of content they have been producing is kind of overwhelming for the casual moviegoer such as myself. I haven't even watched half of the MCU movies because there are just so many of them and I have lots of other interests. Personally, I think Disney+ is hurting the quality of the productions because the emphasis is now on producing "quantity" instead of "quality" in order to feed a constant stream of new content into their streaming service.
True.
Too many movies are being released in one year and it's too much.
Plus, now viewers need to also watch Disney+ TV shows as well, to understand what the fkc is going in the movie?
This is like cramming for an exam.
It's gone from fun to a chore.
Fk that
@@randyjones3050 Yup
Thats like the coldest take imaginable, but very true
Not a hot take any franchise should take time between each movie
The worst part is that underlying feeling of betrayal you can feel as a fan. There seems to be a weird pattern of writers and producers not knowing the source material before making a multi-million dollar movie about it. Not only is not an accurate representation, but it’s switched into a new “modern” narrative that only seems to pertain to a very small group of people. I don’t need over complicated and over stuffed movies, I want a 3 part story that simply makes sense and reaches a sound conclusion. The problem with the MCU, in my opinion, is simply this: the creators stopped worrying about making actual stories, they are now trying to make movies more like “events” and it doesn’t stick.
The funny thing is, isn't this exactly what happened to comic books? Everything had to be some big event, you had too many writers and the story got so long it felt like there wasn't a fresh direction to take things without it coming off as directed towards a smaller and smaller fan base.
Really just highlights how important having an ending for a story is.
@@shawnjavery you’re exactly right
As a comic fan, it annoys me so much to watch them REPEAT the failures of Marvel comics less than a decade ago.
They are adapting the failed comics from 2012-2018. Ya know, the comics that kept getting cancelled or rebooted.
because that era is where "diverse" era started
Oh hey, i love your videos man
I loved the idea of a multiverse. It was so exciting because it's never been done to this degree. Now everyone franchise has a multiverse these days
What other franchises have a multiverse?
@@SheevPalps868 fortnite
@@SheevPalps868 Sonic,CN (multiversus) and dc
@@k3vinv3cchione17 DC came up with the multiverse concept first way back in the 60's
The thing is, this didn't start with 2022 and the stuff they produced there. It started when they dropped/disbanded the Marvel Creative Committee (the people planning that overarching stories and keeping Behind The Scenes creators [writers, directors and more] on that track) between 2015 and 2016, combined with Disney overtaking the franchise.
The fact is they started hiring people who not only didn't care for the MCU itself or the running premise of what they were signing in to DO --rather blatantly too, starting most obviously with Taika Waititi, as far back as Thor Ragnarok (link at the bottom as to his own quotes declaring outright that his intent from the start WAS to screw up and scrap every character IN Ragnarok and ignore/disrespect both the film and their creators not just before him?
But, leave the mess he made or other after like Gunn to clean up): and general fans ate it up: which just resulted in more hires with Taika's mentality.. such as Waldron (who by his own admission didn't write a Loki show; he adapted his old and already rejected time travel script into a Sylvie Lushton script: and added a 'alter-Loki' tag to her, while changing the name of the male character to Loki to make all that pass as part of teh bait and switch from the *opposite* that they had been promoting in live cons and more prior to it's airing) Herron.. and yes, sadly even Raimi.
The Loki BTS team were, are and remain as loudly and unapologetically destructive of the title character/s they were hired and entrusted to portray: but the fact is, that yes.. Taika is where that mentality and hypocrisy started, along with the mess of not having even a basic outline of an idea to where they're going with any of it since MCC was disbanded shorty after managing a loose outline for where phase 3 was supposed to go (and the fact they abandoned half of it, and especially the foundation work with Loki and his story having been manipulated/tortured post 2011 Thor into being front man for Thanos' first attempt at wiping out half the planet to do the same to the rest of the universe [remember: we know Thanos had been doing this and torturing his daughters for decades prior to 2012, the NY invasion was the first grazing peek at that: watch GotG 1& 2, or Infinity War for some examples on screen: and I'll provide inks for the creative teams and actors interviews stating that outright below too.]
Part of the reason that Raimi's Strange 2 didn't go well, was the fact that in order to further mess it up from SMNWH (reminder: the entire premise of the Master of the Mystic Arts, their entire major reason for existing and not getting involved in most of Earth's other affairs like the Invasion of New York directly? Was because they exist specifically to deal with threats from other universes IN the Multiverse just like Dormammu; and that is said outright AND NAMED in the first film 'Who are you in this vast Multiverse, Mister Strange?') AND, with two of the pre-existing characters in play? (Wanda and Strange especially) Raimi admitted he didn't watch ANY of the films or show, or even clips outside of his initial viewing of DS1 years ago when it first dropped in theaters SIX YEARS prior.
In other words? While making the sequel.. he had little to no understanding of the characters he was directing that sequel story for: including the main title character himself.
He didn't watch endgame, didn't watch infinity war, didn't watch Ultron or Civil War, or WandaVision: or even refresh his memory by re-watching the first film.. to even try to make the second one work even a little better.
Well and, no; it did not help that SMNWH while great otherwise?
Absolutely helped set him up for that skip on professionalism with the dumbing-the-Order-down line and ignorant premise of 'The Multiverse is a concept about which we know frighteningly little.' alone.
There's.. a lot more, but yeah. This snowball has been rolling towards this result since they hired in Taika Waititi and still let him keep his job to keep his promises then going into Love and Thunder, after building his portion of the MCU skyscraper supports under it in 2016 out of swiss cheese and not only setting that example? But getting patted on the back for it by gen fans for Disney to take that behavior and dismissive, destructive intent as a good approach.
Just sayin': Fans of the Thor corner and Loki have seen this coming since then. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but yeah.. this has been seen coming for more than half a decade.
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mentioned links:
Taika Waititi -- why Love & Thunder was not a surprise to Thor and Loki fans: youlackconviction.tumblr.com/post/682116567726735360/oh-thank-god-there-was-also-this-gem-waititi
Loki, his torture & manipulation through the mind stone [including concept art they decided against portraying on film to keep a PG 13 rating] : blindtaleteller.tumblr.com/post/688424996626972672/hey-you-said-in-a-post-that-the-creators-and-tom
Some of the major Cannon Story ignored and misrepresented in the Loki series (and the amazing POC actor-directopr whose role they diminished in the process): blindtaleteller.tumblr.com/post/684803757028016128/mostlybuckystuff-softlanwangji-thor-rushing-off
There's a lot more than what's in those threads.. but yeah. This has been going on a while, and this post is long enough: so imma stop there.
I would HIGHLY suggest you look up some of it yourself, but a lot of the problems started with who and especiallt with what mentality they chose their BTS creatives since Taika. Most of them either didn't understand how counting to phase 5 worked or works.. or just plain blatantly did not care so long as they could put their name on something in it, before it went down.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼I love this!! (and this comment also deserves more love) a comment based on sheer fact, proof and no extreme opinion at all! With links too :D I have been raised on MCU films and grew up in a comic book family- specifically Marvel. Seeing the quality deteriorate overtime is devastating since it made up a lot of childhoods and whatnot. However, I noticed certain films didn’t feel the same after Iron Man 3 😅even my die-hard marvel fan Father didn’t think Civil War kept the same quality either. Of course because this was right after prime MCU….these were all highly successful movies but something definitely felt off. Thanks for explaining the reason behind this !🙏 😊
Well said!
For me, I enjoyed Thor: Ragnarok initially, but at the same time I was unsettled by a number of things: the funny, but constant humor; the off-kilter morality (already evident prior to this movie); the atrocious Valkyrie character rewarded; Thor treated like trash; and a sense of ... malevolence or cruelty in the spirit of the movie. This marked the beginning of my disengagement not just with the MCU, but with Hollywood more generally. It really unsettled me, and I wanted nothing more to do with any of it.
@@awereal Hard same. As a woman, the bit with Valkyrie being introduced as a slave trader who electrocutes and then sells the main title character, and not only has absolutely no repurcussions from that even four films later; but gets defaulted to hero from there regardless of the fact she had no conscience about it, or intent to help until her own ass was on the line? Was extra insulting for being a character they were so proud to boast about in the official press. The way they ignored Bruce's story and backstory and what his response to finding out she had been selling e=people to their deaths at his hands? Did not go over well with me any more than the way his character and Loki's both (especially wit their previously established backstories) were treated both on screen and off it. Toss in Thor's portrayal, as if T1 and TDW never happened at all, or was running on some twisted version of it and teh things he had and was still learning; and yeah. Gagnarok was to put it more bluntly, a mockery and a shitshow of complete disregard and disrespect to the fanchise's premise, the characters put in his care, and the fans. They absolutely should have fired Waititi and retconned his BS back then. Not given him a second film to make the insult complete, as he promised.
I recognize you from Tumblr I think. Great 'short' description of the MCU failing.
@@rabidfirefox8914 probably..? there's quite a few of us who have been watching this go down over there for years: both in and out of the Thor/Loki fandom, but I use the same UN over there so.. pretty likely??
Phase 4 was so bad, I didn’t see Thor 4 or Black Panther. I never thought i’d miss a MCU movie or show, but now I’m waiting for reviews first to even give them a shot.
Same. I also skipped The Eternals, checked out after 45m of the boring Ten Rings, and found Spidey shockingly dull.
@@johnstrawb3521 im in the minority that also found No Way Home surprisingly dull.
I watched Thor 4, Dr Strange 2 and a few episodes of She-Hulk and now I'm done with Marvel.
Didnt watch Black Panther 2 and don't really care about Antman 3.
Guardians 3 looks kinda interesting but as a whole, Marvel is creatively done.
Thor 4 was baaaaaaaaad. Like, the dialogue was Epic Movie levels of god awful. Don’t even waste your time.
As far as films go:
Black Widow - Meh
Shang-Chi - Great
Eternals - Bad
No Way Home - Saturday Night Live - the Movie (sorry but it’s true)
Multiverse of Madness - Has some good moments, but not great
Love and Thunder - Meh
Wakanda Forever - Amazing, but a bit too long
Black panther was better than thor 4
One thing I’ll also add on is that Dr. Strange or Black Panther should have been the central characters to push the MCU forward after Iron-Man and Cap exited but Marvel screwed it up by killing off T’Challa because the actor died (which I think was a terrible decision because T’Challa’s full story hasn’t even scratched the surface yet) and then not focusing on Dr. Strange the man who literally knows all about the multiverse and protects reality. Yeah Phase 4 really dropped the ball completely. They should have either recast T’Challa and centered on him or focused on Dr. Strange but like Nate Moore said “we don’t hire actual comic fans to write or direct our movies”…….yeah and Phase 4 shows that completely
You obviously didn't watch Wakanda Forever, they made a way to where we can still easily get T'Challas story. But I'll let your dumbass figure that out for yourself since ya'll haters like to hate on the MCU without watching anything :D
They couldn't do that because it's the M-She-U now. Men can't lead the universe. Captain Marvel is in charge now. I'm sure you can't wait for "The Marvels" to come out.
Yeah, my feeling was that, after the Infinity Guantlet, and with the success of Black Panther, the story they should have headed to next was The Doom War. Bring on Latveria versus Wakanda. Make Dr. Doom the big bad, and finally do him justice (rather than the lame Ultimate style versions that tie his backstory to the Fantastic 4's people have failed with previously).
@@KenDAKL4ever I can't wait to see Plank lead the new avengers😂😂😂
@@KenDAKL4ever Would you prefer men to lead the MCU?
Guardians 3 made me nostalgic for the old mcu so I’ve been doing a rewatch of the infinity saga. It really shows how perfectly crafted the overarching story of the infinity stones and thanos as well as the formation and breakup of the avengers was throughout the movies. Everything came together effortlessly and the direction was clear. It’s obvious now that they’re just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks
I find it interesting that the Disney Renaissance, which is said to have lasted from 1989 to 1999, lasted almost the same length of time as the MCU's prime of life, from 2008 to 2019, both being followed by years of aimlessness and staleness, with a breakout hit here and there. If we project based on the post-Renaissance years, the MCU is in for quite a few more years of this.
I love this similar reference in history. Well done, nice fine
Makes sense, at some point after using all their best ideas there would be nothing left for them to use in a movie to make it interesting without it becoming repetitive. I’ve noticed newer mcu movies were not rlly that compelling and those that were continuations had the characters creating their own problems that they had to resolve. That last one kind of irked me ngl. Spider man no way home was him creating his own problem to solve that could have been resolved so many fucking times I started to get pissed. Literally the reactions to Spider-Man was so out of character i stg I’ve read fanfiction that write his reveals better than that
The new ant man trailer seems to be them making problems for themselves and the action is a copy paste from all previous movies + bigger explosions. At some point I couldn’t give a shit about the action because it was repetitive, cmon just make the story compelling and interesting at least😭😭
And Ohmylord she hulk😭😭. It was interesting at first and made me rlly giddy to watch cause it was funny and I rlly liked the characters but then it just went downhill from there. She’s so sexualised and it’s like they’re saying “look! She strong and sexy! And is not afraid to air out her sex life for the greater good! She’s such an icon!!!” I cringed inside and had to stop watching, it just got so uncomfortable to watch😭🤧
The mcu peaked in 2018 though, well kinda and is not like before that half of the movies werent trash.
Apart from No Way Home, post-Endgame movies were either a stepdown or underwhelming and worse, straight up unwatchable (Thor: Love and Thunder). Hopefully they'll regain their streak starting with Quantumania, which I hope is good cause it certainly looks different from the first two films
@@CabezasDePescado Half of the movies weren't trash, that's the thing. They were well thought-out for the most part and were coherent in bringing to story together by the end of Phase 3.
Are you just not a superhero movie fan?
I really miss phase 1-3 MCU. It actually had heart to it.
👍👍. The first Iron Man from 2008 is still awesome.
They weren't politically controlled that's why
Yeah cus it wasn’t woke virtue signaling garbage
Not really. It was just that your tasteless heart was in it.
But to me MCU has always felt like a cynical cash grab and a cancerous growth on any alternative reality where greater works could've been made.
Now we got 10 years of... ugh.. what a bore its been. Finally over, I hope.
@@blurgle9185 I'm sorry you personally felt that way, but a lot of the writing in phase 1-3 was solid and detail-oriented regardless
I agree on everything except the Miles Morales point. Spiderverse was so great on its own. The animated movie was perfect in every way though Sony took Miles story for the multiverse. Anyways the writers did a great job distinguishing miles from Peter.
Across the spider-verse Solos.🕸🔥🕷
I don’t like the Miles Morales story, and I don’t get the hype. I hate the quote “Anyone can be Spider-Man!” Like no, then he wouldn’t be special. Miles isn’t even Peter Parker. It’s a retcon and not lore friendly.
@@adrilovesadonaithe "anyone can be spiderman" thing is kind of referring the anonymity of the mask. it means you aren't resonating with a face, race or gender, you resonate with the _character_ and the idea that being a hero isn't restricted to anyone special, you can all do your best to be a hero, even if that's in less of the stereotypical 'hero' sense. You just need to help those in need.
That's what's so good about miles (and the other spiderpeople). He isn't just "the black spiderman", he is just as much a spiderman as everyone else, and he is own well developed character, and the multiverse story had a plan that kept it sensible and understandable.
In a broader sense, The MCU multiverse is not ruined by its premise, it just isn't taking the time to make the most of what it has and devolved into an incomprehensible mess.
@@adrilovesadonaithe idea of "Anyone can be Spiderman" is not novel to Spiderverse, this idea is built into the foundational philosophy of Spider Man. Stan Lee talks about this in an interview with Larry King on TH-cam.
Across the Spider-Verse solos Phase 4 and 5
I saw that Jeremy Renner's accident may lead him to lose his legs. Everything is falling apart even in real life, I hope he gets better and that his condition right now is not permanent.
Youre telling me dude, I just got hit by a car on my bike badly in CA, and flooding just hit us hard.
Too bad the mcu already destroyed Hawkeye as a character.
I wish Renner luck in his recovery.
@@MrBarborosa Jesus, I can't go one single place without hearing about something awful in California. I wish you luck in your recovery as well.
Jesus
You failed to mention Blade in your chronological record, it came out before X-Men and it was moderately successful on a 45M budget and generating little over 130M at the box office, plus the DVD sales since they were still in use at the time.
I was sad that Blade wasn’t mentioned. I’ve heard some say that the costume design of X-men went for the dark leather instead of the original colors due to the success of Blade and the aesthetic present in it.
@@NothingBetterToWatch Indeed, that and the fact that tight leather was all the rage back in the 90s. Remember The Matrix 😂
@@darkusaurelius Lmao yes very true. Also vampires were in too just in general like Buffy, and then later the Underworld franchise. Man, simpler times lol
It kills his narrative if you mention blade
MCU should’ve went on a hiatus after ENDGAME for a couple years with no movies and then come back some years later with fresh content that had been thought out and filmed in secrecy with no deadlines and total creativity and passion rather than the sole agenda of making money.
THEN it would’ve made a huge comeback that everyone would’ve loved.
The point regarding not utilizing Dr. Strange as the centerpiece of this entire phase is spot on. Each multiverse iteration seemed to operate outside of each other, when they should have been intertwined. There was never a real link between the TVA collapsing, Dr. Strange's spell screw up, and all the stuff that happened in MoM. It was kind of a return to how the Netflix and ABC Marvel TV shows were never truly allowed to intersect with the MCU. That just ended up making it fall flat. For instance, the fact that Phil Colson dying was an integral part of The Avengers, but him coming back to life for years never caught the attention of The Avengers and Agents of Shield never really crossed paths with anyone, either. Same with all the street level Netflix characters never really interacting with the MCU.
Aside from Nick Fury making a few appearances you're right. The movies did affect the shows however, and I could definitely see some people being thrown for a loop if they kept watching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. without watching The Winter Soldier
Having the Defenders become the new team instead of a bootlegged Avengers could have been great. Strange and Spidey, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, an all new team because they've done the avenging those they lost, now it's time to defend what's left.
Phase 4 was such a disappointment, and even more than that Im 50, and Marvel comics have been part of my life since the late 70's. And even I was just watching stuff, just because it came out and was Marvel, in case I missed something that might matter. This was the phase I have never rewatched anything every again. While I have watched the previous 3 phases movies multiple times over the years. I hope Phase 5 with Antman in February is a reset to this "the message" and "men are stupid" garbage.
Same. The only phase 4 thing I've watched more than once is No Way Home and Shang-Chi, and the latter was better on the first watch while the former was still standing strong. Compare that to how many times I've watched Guardians or Iron Man or Winter Soldier. Obviously they have been out for a longer period of time, but I didn't own them for a long time. I only bought them when they did the Infinity Saga boxset. I can access Love and Thunder for free essentially on Disney+, but I have no interest in doing so. I don't care to rewatch Wakanda Forever. I'd rather rewatch Black Panther.
@@angrygoldfish No Way Home is the given, as we all know although its "tied" to Phase 4, its not Phase 4. I used to buy all the Blu Rays of the Marvel movies, because I knew I would rewatch them. Beside No Way Home, I dont think I have bought any phase 4 movies, because I left the theatre with a Meh. Or worse, I just waited for streaming (Im talking to you Eternals)) which I fell asleep in twice at home. I went to Wakanda Forever, because well, anything had to be better then Love and Thunder. Nope. And I went to these because movies were in theatres again and wanted to go out. But hey, I can say I was one of the few that went to Morbius, because, well, I went alone and watched to be back in a theatre,
Faxxxx
It won't be, don't get your hopes up. Marvel has been down the drain for a decade at least when it comes to comics. All they are doing is bringing the excrement that are their contemporary comics to the big screen.
@@JPG.01 Well I dont read new stuff really unless its a graphic novel at the library. I quit collecting in 1996 after the Clone Saga travesty. So up to Marvel Phase 3 ending in Infinity War, were stories with decades of back history. Maybe thats why Phase 4 is terrible, only a backlog of 10 years or so of stories too pull from, so older fans like myself feel no link to the movies anymore. Kang has been around since the late 60's, so will see how this goes.
The MCU was what made me love movies again. It's over now. It happened so fast I didn't even have time to process that.
I believe one thing Disney doesnt get anymore is what many franchises fail to see now days. The MCU was built in respect and love letter to the audience who waited for this for more than 40 years to happen. Now days they took the best and most profitable IP existed on earth and they sh*t right in front of the eyes of the average nerd/fan/moviegoer.
Superhero movies as a whole might be falling out of fashion.
It’s like how westerns were a massive trend back in the 60s and 70s but fell out of fashion.
To paraphrase Jake Skywalker “It’s time for the Hero’s to end.”
They aren't out of fashion in a juvenile culture and country---they're just so badly written even diehard fans are noticing.
@@johnstrawb3521 yes.
I definitely think they're falling out of fashion - but that's primarily due to drop in quality they've experienced after Endgame.
However, I do think video game adaptations are poised to become the next big Hollywood craze, and will see much more long-term success as they offer significantly more genre & story variety then Superhero movies do. It also helps that Disney doesn't have a complete monopoly over the upcoming video game phase - because the gaming IPs are much more evenly-split and divided between various movie corporations & studios.
@@alexs29 endgame is the fall of MCU. plot hole and shitty jokes
@@alexs29 I think it’s the case that not everyone enjoys a different type of superhero movie.
Superhero movies always have the same formula and i imagine it’s getting boring after three phases. Phase 4 was definitely their try and making different types of movies and even though the movies were poorly made, people still didn’t really enjoy the new types as much as they did the originals.
The problem is people are getting bored of the originals. So what should they do? It just seems that these genres of movies are done for a little and eventually will come back when people forget the hype around them. Then rinse and repeat.
It’s a trend that is relentless.
I was a big Batman, Nightcrawler & X-Men the Animated series fan growing up. There was so much diverse aspects of media & it was genuine. The story of mutants was universally relatable. Captain Planet. Spawn was so awesome and the entire world around him is so unique. There's such a creative range of character's, creatures, unique things, weird things, macabre things. I loved how things used to not be afraid to embrace things, odd things, difficult things. Good stories used to be told, in very creative intelligent ways. Nowadays everything is this cheap cop out shallow live action version nonsense. I miss the Era of creativity, of animated series, of things that made us utilize our intelligence and our internal structure that connects us to any character no matter what kind of character, creature, specie's they are. There is so many stories we could be telling and art that could be creating but we are treating our entire audience like they are 2 yr olds that just need shiney keys waved in front of their face for entertainment... But at the end of the day it's very shallow cheap way to entertain... That's how I look at a lot of modern day media.
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I sincerely don't think kids who are younger than 20 understand just how open-minded & creative the 90's were. I was born in 1989 & I had a very diverse range of friends. The media, commercials, movies, TV shows were all Genuinely diverse and well made. Man I miss that era and I don't get how we have actually went BACKWARDS. Video games, animated series, TV shows, movies, things to do, everything was just so awesome and creative and people were real. I hope we reconnect with that.
Everything is so expensive to make nowadays they literally can't afford a failure, or barely-success.
Looking back, I really think that the MCU was the single most culturally influential thing in the 2010s.
Now, they're a just a beat old SUV with woke people driving it.
@@markmolino679yup
Horrible isn't? We've been culturally regressing way too long with that bullshit. I'm glad we're finally seeing the end of it.
WAS
For worse
honestly if the writing wasn't so horrendous phase 4 wouldn't be that bad. but writers hate canon and the characters they're writing about and here we are
The characters they’re writing aren’t Marvel characters, they’re self-inserts wearing them mask of Marvel characters.
@@Artcat932 yeah, exactly, and if it's one thing I hate is inconsistent characterisation. really most of phase 4's issues come from the fact that the people who are writing these hate the characters and the mcu
lol you dont know what good writing is lol
@@lilmovieperp3599 the 2 lols really convinced me that you do know what good writing is, I'm now a changed person
Yeah because canon is such a pain in the ass for writers.
I refuse to even hatewatch Phase 4. It's not worth my time, and I don't want to reward Disney's rancid cashgrabs
I think The Incredible Hulk is the MCU's most underrated movie. I absolutely loved the way they introduced the Hulk in a horror scene. I loved Tim Roth reveling in the gifts he received from the Super Soldier Serum. And I loved the final fight when Hulk was going gangster on the Abomination and it was a scream from Betty that snapped him out of it. Not a flawless movie, but I loved it.
That movie was slept on too hard.
Dude. I love that movie and if I’m being honest, Norton was a better Banner than Ruffalo
@@IamjustBruh BRO FR everyone was saying Norman sucks but he really did better than ruffalo, ruffalo’s latest performances as Bruce banner were so shit
We need worldbreaker hulk
All they have to do is make a good planet hulk movie and we could start a new phase that bring in multiple characters and could be a retcon for the mcu they need one already
Blade was the movie that showed superhero films had the potential to be a money making juggernaut. Not X men
The Dark Knight and Iron Man 1 also proved you could do dark and serious very well.
blade wasn't a money making juggernaut lol
@@lilmovieperp3599 well duh, but it made enough to get marvel out of debt, do research
Blade box office: 131 million
Blade 2 box office: 155 million
Blade 3 box office: 131 million
X-Men box office: 296 million
X-Men 2 box office: 407 million
X-Men 3 box office: 460 million
But yeah, keep telling yourself Blade is the one LMAO!
@@leonreborn1308 are you niggas dumb? Blade showed marvel that they can more of these and people would be interested. Jesus I hate the internet you niggas suck at research. I said POTENTIAL. Not an actual black panther sized juggernaut. FUCK lol
5:16 they actually started if off very well with WandaVision. WV was extremely well received and got double digit Emmy nominations the first marvel project to ever actually receive nominations for prestigious awards. It was the other shows that weren't good or received very well and the phase tanked from there
That was my understanding too.
And, as OP was implying it’s focusing on established characters from previous movies. I think that was helpful
The biggest issue for me is that they just wanted to make all the avengers teens or 20’s. There are younger versions of like all of them now. They could have had amazing stories with established characters but they went cheap hired young and unknown and thought too long term
Tbh this is probably so they can use them long term
Like I'm sure RDJ wouldn't keep playing iron man when he's 60 or something
@@SYXX-II RDJ was fine with going on with more movies but wanted to take a step back and be a supporting character. It wouldn't have been hard to cripple him and allow him to retire peacefully with his family.
Ty Sheridan is literally waiting to play Iron Lad and you could have had Tony train him into being his successor. Right there you have a whole new Iron Man trilogy, tie ins with Armor Wars and Kang and a possible Young Avengers Trilogy if you play your cards right. And I GUARANTEE that people would go see it. Iron Man is one of the only Avengers people don't get tired of.
But instead they turned it into a political shitfest. This is why nerd stuff isn't fun anymore - we let the "cool kids" take it away from us.
Wanda's kids were so annoying. That song they sang when they wanted ice cream was like watching your friend's annoying kids perform some rubbish at a party.
The biggest problem they've had is they keep having people with no experience writing action films as the creators. The writers for She-Hulk admitted they had no interest or any kind of history in the genre. So many of these different people have no history of it and then they're being given the reins to a big budget action film so what are you expect except for failure. Also there's a dangerous line between showing how much money a film is made along with critiquing the quality of it. Films making a lot of money doesn't really make it a success artistically. I would like to believe we all know that but I'm not sure if people do
I think the main problem is no clear direction. With the avengers the first set of movies built up to them meeting up and THEN moved onto the Thanos arc. The MCU always had a clear cut well thought out direction and I'm ngl phase 4 just feels like "WHAT STORIES CAN WE DO THAT ARE BIG AND COOL TO TOP END GAME" /like NWH and MoM. They seem like world changing events but in the end aren't that massive in the grand scheme of things
This is exactly my thought too. Why Thanos was so successful isn’t just because “he is a universe altering force,” it’s because they built him up to be that force.
Audiences don’t care if you say the villain is grand, they need to experience it. The MCU could get away with some lackluster “side quests” before endgame, because there was this feeling that it still built into something.
Now it’s just side quests
This is true. Not to mention that the stakes in Endgame were the highest it could have been without going into alternate universes.
Everything you’ve mentioned was accurate and spot on.
1998's Blade deserves credit too for helping to save the superhero genre. And many argue it's thanks to Blade that Marvel was able to stick around and later create the MCU.
@thee_morpheus Yeah, no.
@@TheMovieCynic Yeah, yes lol
I am cool with the MCU collapsing. When they wrapped it up with the defeat of Thanos I was pretty satisfied and didn't intend to watch any other MCU movies. Maybe Doctor Strange I figured.
Well I saw Doctor Strange, and it was rather confusing. Apparently I had to watch a TV series to understand what was going on? Wandavision? That is when I fully checked out. I am not going to spend all of my time consuming Disney properties so I can understand and watch other Disney Properties.
FR! It's like 9-hour show. It's annoying.
My friend ask me before we went to see it if i saw wandavision and it felt like i was going to take a test i didn't study for smh
I didn't watch Loki and I had no idea who Kang was. I think when we skip a show or a movie, we feel it's really not worth our time to catch up. So we skip more and more shows and movies, and in turn we feel more and more left out. That cycle is the problem MCU has to solve.
Dude! This is one of the most packed, concise, and best written scripts I’ve ever seen in a TH-cam video. wow.
17:27 notwithstanding, I agree.
Ideology can’t be ignored as a big reason for the MCU’s failure. You can track most of the current problems (bad characterization, bad plotting, bad metadirection choices…) to exactly *that* which is why focusing on that problem as much as people have is warranted.
You can make any ideologically driven work interesting. I just feel like there's not really enough interesting directions to take the story now to really justify continuing making movies.
what ideology are you talking about? all works are made with an ideology and i don’t really know what people are referring to when they say that
@@heavenwaitsWoke & feminist ideologies 👍
Too bad you didn't mention BLADE as a historical point for popular Marvel movies.
What are you talking about? Theyre not making an analysis on Marvel history.They're talking about how Marvel is hitting rock bottom
That's not in the mcu tho....
@@moxiemaxie3543 He mentioned most of the other major Superhero film players. Blade was a huge thing at the time.
@@KidAstronaut Granted, it wasn’t really seen as a "comic book movie" at the time, as far as I remember.
@@Lyendith True. It was seen as a horror-action movie franchise (which it is) with a lot of people not realizing it was base don a comic. I remember when Black Panther came out and people were saying it was the first black superhero movie. Spawn, Meteor Man and Steel aside, when the Blade films were brought up, I kept hearing "But Blade's not a real superhero"... whatever that means.
I’m SO glad we got the Russo brothers to finish off the Infinity Saga strong.
Do you know how lucky we were? There is a LOT to handle in those movies we totally could have had a Multiverse of Madness situation ruining the entire saga.
If this had to happen, I’m glad it happened after we had some sort of conclusion.
The multiverse thing ruined the MCU. It got too confusing and convoluted.
@@TheDayd111returns Disney greed ruined it man. I think if just Kevin and the people who had passion worked on it we'd have a great franchise. But cooperate meddling gives us this sloppy mess
@@-JakeKevin was the one who chose to cast Larson, She-Hulk, and all the terrible woke choices came DIRECTLY from him
For a while, my wife was doing the whole "it's not good, but it's not _that_ bad either" thing. Well, that was before she saw what happened to Scarlet Witch, one of her favorite characters. When we finished Wandavision, my wife said something like "fuck this shit, I'm done".
I think little credit is given to Blade, which it gave a massive kickstart to the comic book movies again and pertrude the way for, as you stated, the first X-Men movie.
I think most older people understand how good blade was
In fact it saved marvel
@@ralphpal blade 1 and 2 was really good at that time, sans blade 2 fight cgi which was not that good
Blade doesn’t count. It was a vampire movie, lot’s of people were not familiar with it being a comic book. But it revived the vampire genre.
X-men was the beginning imo.
Blade 1 and 2... come on! Marvel's unspoken jewel in the crown.
We also had the Crow, not Marvel or DC, but a comic book.
And of course, wait for it... The Transformers The Movie 1987.
Blade was one of the best comic adaptations, I remember he had cameo’d in the spiderman cartoon and it felt like the same character on the big screen. Comic book movies back then had a problem staying faithful to the source material, unfortunately that trend is coming back
Considering Invincible and MHA, superhero fatigue is a flimsy excuse. Another big problem was the fact that they blew their load too early with Endgame. I really think phase 4 should've taken place during the snap years. Let people see the full effect rather than a few glimpses.
MHA is trash
MHA is not a good example. Current Manga is superior to amer ican comics in anyway. But current MHA is on a pretty bad run itself
@@javiersebastianmartinsuare483 You're just upset Mirko is a better character than Captain Marvel.
I feel like another reason why it's collapsing is due to them releasing so much content in a short period of time that people get overwhelmed with it. should've properly spaced out the projects and slowly let people digest them lmao
I think one of the other problems is Disney is trying to release a movie or release multiple movies every year but I think it should be a couple of movies every year like maybe one or two and focus on story and characters to make it good
Phase 4 should’ve been a epilogue to phase 3. After endgame release Spider-Man far from home, but then have a Disney+ show showing the events of the movies from the perspective of the citizens. The avengers Captain America, the Winter soldier, age of Ultron, the 5 year blip would have made a great show displaying what the citizens suffer through that we don’t see in the movies
The Blade movies are what saved Marvel and was literally the building blocks for the MCU.
The consensus on miles I see, is that all of his best stories are not from the comics, but the movies and games. That's honestly pretty sad
The only good stuff for Miles was Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, Spiderman 2018, and Into The Spiderverse.
Your guess as to what caused the decline in box office revenue was missing one crucial factor. Disney Plus. A lot of people have no problem waiting for it to end up on their living room TV now as opposed to going out to a theater, especially when dealing with kids going crazy running around a movie theater.
How come Avatar just made $2 billion then, it will be on Disney plus eventually too. The movies didn’t make as much money because they were not good and got bad reviews not because of streaming
@@conororourke42 because it was a sequel 12/13 years in the making basically
@@cameronchesters5300 So is every MCU movie, when you think about it
@@conororourke42 avatar is more of a global phenomenon
Finally, someone explaining why the movies are bad now without saying "woke culture whatever" and just pointing out the writing isn't cutting it, and they aren't setting up characters to replace what they cashed in in End Game.
Time for the unapologetic shows to shine. The Boys, Invincible. They are successful because they break away from the mold and focus on great story telling more that anything else
I give it a few years from now and DC and Marvel will hop on the trend that the boys have sat.
I think in a few years, we'll be going back to more 2000's action flicks of superheroes that don't need to dumb themselves down for the kiddies. Like Blade, Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy and such.
Yep, the tropes have become overused and tired, so now it's the perfect time for shows that mock them to shine
“But….but it’s setting up the next phase!!”
*Secret Wars rumored to bring back OG cast, making the sacrifices/send off from endgame pointless.
man i love retcons don't you?
Let's be honest, if they brought back the OG cast I'm pretty sure the hype would FAR surpass the level of nitpicking nerds going "but the sacrifices in endgame! 🤓" the franchise is literally worth billions of dollars. It cannot be maintained by up-and-comers and indy actors, plain and simple. There's other movies for that, they have supporting roles for a reason... The problem is too many TV spinoffs too.
@@AnthonyDoesTH-cam lol last time people bought into hype the latest thor movie happened and those same people said it was *Good* Lmao.
@@AnthonyDoesTH-cam it is already happening with Deadpool 3
19:48 I love how you left boring Hawkeye out lol! But you should have definitely included Loki & Nick Fury. Their actors and characters *were* cool as hell and deserve more time in the spotlight!
I enjoyed this video as you've hit the nail on the head with all your points.
Good luck with the next step of going full-time with your channel. Your videos have had some major numbers, it just shows the high quality of your content!
“Hit the nail on the head” aka diversity offends me 😮 I hate that Namor is a Mexican and black panther was made a woman until Tchalla II grows up to replace her in the M She U 😢
You need to grow up bro
@@jimmybeanchugger1832 Looks like the marvel bots have come out to play
I am getting irked whenever term “superhero fatique” is used to explain why its all failling, because I strongly believe, that superhero genre has still so much to offer - still plenty of good heroes and good stories left. So it is not “superhero fatique”, but “stupid lazy writing with modern moral pandering fatique”. It is sad. But at least, thanks to that, we get great channels and videos like yours, Cynic, thank you! Very nice video :)
Naw it’s that stuff simply runs out of steam. It’s like how comics have their dork ages and their successes. It’s simply hard to keep quality with so many creatives over long periods of time.
Can u elaborate on why modern moral is bad?
@@scarlett9750 modern moral isn't bad, but is used as the only selling point. If you want stories that take social justice but is also really fucking good stories. Go read PALE by wildbow
Yeah it's clear Super Hero fatigue is not the problem since, as this video points out, the movies are the most watched/highest grossing/most marketable things out there still. The desire is there, it's just the era leading up to Endgame set the bar super high.
Because its happening and its why its being used. After Endgame, people have seen it all about superheroes. Marvel should've taken a step back for a year of two to refocus their next story but kept pumping mediocre or disappointing projects. Hiring lazy writers is just easier than writers with who actually cares about the story, cause Marvel can compel them to write this way etc
Very well said. I like your mention of the Monsterverse. "Mild success", at least compared to other giant film franchises, is how I'd also describe it.
Dr Strange 2 was backbreaking. Done right that movie had every chance of competing with NWH as far as revenue maybe even surpassing it. I never expected much from the D+ shows or Thor and certainly not the Wakanda movie. As soon as I saw how far they were deviating with Namor I knew that was sunk.
MoM was the Last Jedi moment of the franchise. Secret Wars will be the true death blow. You know they will bring back RDJ and Evans only to ruin their legacies to “pass the torch” just like Disney did with the Star Wars originals.
Hey cap your young again. Wow this battle planet sure is special. Waiting that stark? Drinking green milk ?
I bet they will bring back Thanos as well only to make that iconic villain look like a complete joke.
@@ronniejdio9411it’ll be more like, “hey cap your young again. And look! There’s iron man, she’s trans, gay and black and is so brave and beautiful!”
@@kylewilliam4230Yay more woke Disney crap 😃
I don't think they can fool Robert Downey Jr. to come back for some woke-cringe fest. He is smarter than than, and seems to be happy with leaving his legacy as Tony Stark as it is.
into the spiderverse is a miles story and its one of the best animated films of the last decade
I think he was referring to the comicbooks, which I do agree with cause even tho most people can't be bothered to actually read any superhero comics new and old these days characters like Spiderman and Batman still have had a bunch of popular stories and villains that influenced other adaptations of the characters on media, the closest thing Miles got before into the Spiderverse was maybe the prowler and that only got popular because into the Spiderverse very loosely adapted few key parts of Mile's story in the comics to the point that it makes for a better story but obviously isn't recognizable as the source material, Miles only got past the label of black Spiderman sidekick in pop culture after Into the Spiderverse completely rewrote him to have an actual personality and identity that while similar to Peter Parker still feels his own, you can see how influential the film has been just by comparing the first ps4 Spiderman game with the Miles Morales spinoff which were released like a couple of years apart from each other, if we are talking strictly source material wise Miles is pretty mid, but yeah it's weird that he didn't at least mention into the Spiderverse since it pretty much took over as the popular version like how Mr Freeze became iconic due to the 90's Batman cartoon origin story.
I remember people being so hyped for Infinity war and Endgame. Those days are long gone and people don't even talk about MCU anymore. How the mighty have fallen
I've always thought that the sacking of James Gunn messed up the MCU something fierce. This could be the Mandela effect coming into play, but I'm sure I once saw Marvel talk about the MCU's direction after Endgame. While there would still be movies set on Earth, the storyline would go into space. To coincide with Disney devouring Fox in 2019, characters like Galactus and the Silver Surfer would debut. But the most important detail was that Gunn would take the helm. It was going to be "The Cosmic Saga".
Then Gunn was fired, snatched up by DC and announced he was leaving Marvel after Guardians 3. Feige panicked, until he saw the success of Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.
By the time Sony's movie came out, Endgame had already been completed. The main aspect of Endgame was time travel. Prior to Gunn's dismissal, plot points, like 2012 Loki getting away with the Tesseract, could easily be handwaved by saying that they didn't happen after Captain America returned the Infinity Stones.
Feige thought "Well, time travel and alternate realities are still cosmic, so it works!"
The Cosmic Saga was hastily retooled into The Multiverse Saga. Unfortunately, remnants of Gunn's original plan were also left in. That's why the Ten Rings are broadcasting a message into space. That's why Ms. Marvel's bangles are from the Noor Dimension. That's why Hulk went back to Sakaar. I bet you Guardians 3 has no connection to the Multiverse Saga because Gunn's not changing his original storyline.
We got Spider-Man: No Way Home out of it, but the rest of Phase 4 was horseshit.
This is EXACTLY the issue, but the narrative these TH-camrs are running is that the M She U was ruined by wokeness when it was James Gunn leaving that messed it up. Most people just don’t even know what they’re mad at and it’s absurd. Your point is the actual reason. Everyone else has contrived ass opinions and really make huge reaches and exaggerations to fit their little narrative. Megan thee stallion twerking with she hulk is pretty true to the tone of her comics. She hulk was never a good character nor did her comics exist to be taken seriously nor were they made to target the men who don’t get it. Honestly most complaints are fucking stupid and I do not respect those people who are triggered by minor factors like “forced diversity”.
You hit the nail in the head and this is what I call valid criticism and unbiased observations.
This comment needs to be pinned. Your points are much more valid than those made by “M SHE U” bandwagon critics like this channel and the other big haters.
I liked Doctor Strange, Hawkeye, Moon Knight, and Ms. Marvel but I’m not going to disagree Phase 4 is a step down from Phase 3.
@@LinkMarioSamus You liked Hawkeye and ms marvel? Talk about terrible taste.
@@AndrewManook And you’re the judge? I don’t even think they’re amazing and I understand the criticism Phase 4 gets, heck I even agree with a lot of it. I also detest the idea that any criticism of works like these makes you racist and/or sexist, but truth be told that’s mostly what I see from arguments like those on this channel. It’s like you guys never got over that stupid Ghostbusters reboot.
@20:36 Exactly this. They thought they could polish a turd, slap a "Marvel" stamp on it, and it would sell like a chocolate bar.
*It's such a simple formula,* just give the customers what they want (fan service). Instead they had to play with the formula and spoil it like a bad chef. :\ I'm astounded how they could mess all this up.
It's why "No Way Home" was a box office smash. Fans got what they wanted, and fans rewarded Sony for it.
I see you failed to mention Moon Knight which honestly rocked, I really hope they bring Punisher back. I have been patiently waiting for Ghost rider to enter the mix and F up the MCU we need an anti-hero who can stand in as a villain some times
Exactly moon knight was the best out of phase 4💯💯
@@marydorsey0305 everyone thinks Loki’s the best. That’s fine it’s their opinion, but I personally thought it was a C+ B- at best.
@@wizardgaming6759 I like Moon Knight…. Loki is fine to but I always will choose Moon knight over anything n everything 😏
Not to mention with the Punisher they can get a nice change of pace from your average supes given how his only superpower is having multiple firearms and threats that would be a cakewalk to your average hero would be a suicide mission for the Punisher.
Obviously Marvel wouldn't do that given the Punisher is a white male with firearms and that's a nono
I think the main thing with phase 4 is they basically just restarted a mock phase 1 when they really didn't need too
I’m so happy for you for quitting your job and throwing it all into this channel! You are so great at making the videos engaging and finding the clips to go with the talking.
Thank you Mikayla!
@@TheMovieCynic you’re welcome! I also subbed to you other channel. : )
I always love it when the Most Replayed section is the timestamp immediately following the in video ad. One Team, One Dream
Let's not forget how much the first Blade movie helped kick things back in gear.
Excellent and concise summation of the many failings of Phase 4. Some "fun" stats to back it up: Thanks to the shows on the streaming service, there are more hours of content in Phase 4 than in Phases 1-3 combined. And, of all that content, the only universally praised and liked entry... was the one made mostly by Sony. I think that says quite a lot on its own.
I mean Shang-Chi went over well but I see what you mean
Loki is liked by a lot of people too
@@majumder456 including myself (:
@@majumder456 Loki also character assassinates... Loki. And removes free-will from the prior MCU while completely contradicting and shitting on its world building, so I don't give a fuck what people liked about it.
@@spartansquid5931 I’m pretty sure this is not the case. Though it may seem this way i’m pretty sure it’s been proven that the Avengers did indeed have free will and that their timeline was considered the true timeline in which they had free will to do whatever.
Im definitely not expanding it right but i do remember watching a video over it.
Shang-chi continues to get unnecessary hate.
as a fan of the mcu. i can also agree to this.
phase 1 - 3 was great. i loved every movie that came out. when endgame was over, it felt like the entire story was done. finished. and that's pretty much where i left off.
To be fair, both Falcon and She-Hulk have very well stablished personalities that extend to more than "Cap's black sidekick" and "Green chick", and very dedicated fanbases, specially She-Hulk. The problem's that the writes clearly don't know what made these characters endearing and charismatic. She-Hulk was beloved for her comedy and meta stories, not twerking and Daredevil.
As a parallel, pairing She-Hulk and Daredevil reminds me of when DC tried pairing Superman and Wonder Woman. It doesn't matter they don't really have any chemistry or anything in common aside of the basics of being both lawyers. Sure, Daredevil's dark and moody personality wonderfully works alongside Shulkie's quirky laid-back personality
Here’s a better way to put it. “Woke people destroyed marvel just like they’re destroying our entire society”.
@@kylewilliam4230 I feel like you're exagerating. The way I see it, woke culture is just sometimes annoying. I believe global change, corruption, discrimination... That's what's destroying society
@@Dragon_Moth "woke culture" = women and black people. Right?
@@jaer.6540 fr, the phrase "woke culture" nowadays just shames women and poc for wanting equality
@@hearts4mikey basically yes. Sure, sometimes it's over the top...but not something I care about. I think people are more "upset" that these studios are "forcing" it, rather than it be organic and I don't disagree. But am I going to make a 30 min video on it? No. That's dumb as fuck.
Really think ...when did Kevin Feige start being called a genius? That’s when the wheels began falling off. That guy is just living in the house RDJ built but no one ever calls him on it
Their first fatal flaw was deciding to “capitalize” on the success of endgame instead of letting everyone and everything breathe.
WandaVision made so much sense as the first project after the infinity saga, but the ending was terrible. That was really the canary in the coal mine. It was excellent and fresh until the end.
Then they just kept pumping so much shit out to the point that even big fans couldn’t consume it all.
They should’ve done WandaVision, then Loki (they butchered that too tho), then the multiverse show and THATS IT.
Then move to Spiderman to set up the multiverse stuff followed by an actually good Multiverse of Madness showing Dr Strange as the new lead with Wanda and Loki.
I truly cannot fathom any of their recent decisions. My biggest complaint is that nothing has that common thread that it so desperately needs.
I wish I could have She Hulk erased from my memory. I literally will not watch a movie she’s in.
Ty for your self sacrifice. Binge watching She-Hulk is a punishment I would never wish on my worst enemy.
"People loved Thor: Ragnorock."
And I still don't know why.
Blade also helped comic book movie rise in 98 deserves a shout out
Totally unrelated but , shout out to you think you forgot to count you self as a hero Cynic ! To have the determination and breviary to quit your job and work on this channel that you truly do enjoy making ! Know it can be scary but also know it will be a great year !! For you and this community!
With Kevin Fiege announcing that a lot of phase five’s content as a re-evaluation of their content output, it gives me some hope that phase five won’t be as bad as phase four was.
"Phase 4 was just a set-up Phase! 🤓"
God, that shit triggers my PTSD...