Thank you! Really glad you liked it. It all stemmed from the idea of running drums through a vocoder to create pitched kicks that matched the bass line 😅 That experiment did not go so well, but there were other happy accidents! I'll still post other Vocoder experiments and more soon 😊
Damn David, you always got these amazing original tones. The only thing I could think of to make that Opening Door sound is an envelope tremolo but it probably would'nt sound this cool.
Wow thanks! What an awesome thing to say. And it means a lot coming from you, with such a world class channel. I was chatting in another comment about trying out the EQD Night Wire, my harmonic tremolo, albeit it isn't quite as pronounced as your tremvelope concept. I also got to thinking the SY-1's sequencer would surely be as good, but the harmonic trem was definitely the better idea when I gave 'em both a go. The SY-1 isn't very well defined as a synth, a bit too... fluffy? So that's probably why. Anyway, definitely will try some other inputs. Love your channel, so thanks again.
@@GreenhamGuitar Thanks man, likewise! The EQD one is cool but it's a smooth sine wave kind of tremolo, maybe a square wave tremvelope will sound better. I also played the SY-1 in the guitar store, to me everything sounded as it was drenched in modulation, no tight sounds, fluffy indeed. BTW, did you see my Happy Hardcore Pedalboard Jam? I guess you'll like it.
@@DIYguitarGuy Oh my, I love Happy Hardcore! Thanks, I'll check it out for sure. I think you are right about the square wavey-ness of the tremolo. Only at max depth does the Night Wire have that chop, but hopefully it will do... since it's my only tremolo 😬 My gear acquisition has slowed down considerably since the world went mad. But I'm pretty sure some incarnation of your Happy Hardcore Pedalboard is about to become my life's mission 😂
Awesome idea! Please let me know how it goes. I actually achieved a similar stutter effect to the one in this video by running a Pitch Fork into the MIC input (and blending different octaves), but you're idea should yield some great results!
Cool sounds! Try plugging a drum machine into the mic and a guitar into the vocoder input. Or vice versa. I have wondered about using atypical combinations with a vocoder for years (decades, actually), but I never tried it.
Now that's a stellar idea! It's actually why I bought this pedal! I wanted to recreate techno kicks (particularly Hardcore and Hardstyle 😋). But I only had limited success... Still, there are plenty of other awesome drum applications, so thank you, I'll work with this idea more 😊
That's too damn cool of you to say! Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the light-hearted approach 😁 I've got some other ideas lined up with these bad boys... The quest for ugly tones continues!
Can't wait to see what the VO-1 can do. I got one a while back for general vocoding silliniess, then found an EHX V256 in an electronics shop and grabbed that, so my VO-1's been in it's box gathering dust. Would love to give it a new experimental lease on life rather than just waiting for a buyer.
Oh great! Good plan. Squeeze out every idea, then you can sell it without reservation. If you haven't tried already, let me know if you got any cool combinations. I would have got the EHX V256, but the VO-1's Advanced mode had something extra going for it. I still wonder if the V256 couldn't pitch kicks to match the guitar. That was my original goal... seems the VO-1 is biased toward higher frequencies (of your voice), so no low end shaping. Still, many more experiments await.
Hey there, well spotted! OC-5 definitely involved, but on a parallel path that never runs through the VO-1 or the SYB-5, so they just receive clean guitar. The OC-5's suboctave output in "Lowest Note" mode gets mixed in further down the line to add a subbass effect.
This is super fantastic. So, basically a Vocoder can turn a monophonic synth into polyphonic? I'm thinking if that applies to polyphonic effects like an harmonizer?
Glad you like the idea! It's so fun, and yes, it does allow monophonic pedals to shape your guitar with some, but not most, of their original character. As you could tell, each new waveform from the SYB-5 shaping my clean guitar kind of produces something new but similar, with varying degrees of crunch or fizz. Then depending on the octave of the synth, that also had another notable effect on the output... but again, the end result is usually very BOSS Vocoderish 😄 The guitar's clean notes still dictate the chord, and it's quite interesting when you also run a duplicate of your guitar into the mic input simultaneously instead of the synth. I am planning a demo on that. Sounds like a trumpet in Vintage mode, a synth in Advanced mode, and a lofi radio in Talkbox mode. But if you shaped your guitar with a harmonizer or any sort of pitch shifter, it's the same as a clean guitar into the MIC input, as described above. You need a radicaly different MIC input to produce new sounds, hence the human voice being the best choice, or unique monophonic synths. I'll do a demo soon on feeding the VO-1 a duplicated guitar at the MIC input 😁
@@GreenhamGuitar Wow, thank you for the info reply! :) I have a Line6 POD Hd desktop with a vocoder input, may be i will try some of your synth ideas! The only thing that i've tried with my vocoder that i didnt find anywhere, is that if you put the vocoder in an unconventional order in the chain, it can serve as a simulator of feedback an sustain (using the voice on a mic), it can produce very nice harmonics using a distortion pedal :)
Yes! Definitely one of the coolest sounds I've gotten out of a guitar pedal combo 😀 Some other great noises to be found by plugging drums, etc. into the Vocoder MIC input.
I wish there was an easier/more consistent way to get that “opening door” sound, a ring mod maybe? To be fair I’d love to hear a ring mod into this, or something like a Tremolo, what happens with something like a univibe in front of it? Love the video as per usual though, I can’t find anyone else who explores pedals in this way. The Future Bass section was easily my favourite.
I'm very glad I'm not the only one who loved the Future Bass section 😅 Your ring mod idea's got me thinking... because now I'm relatively certain the "opening door" is the result of the SYB-5 battling to cope with two notes, despite the fact that the VO-1 effectively renders everything polyphonic. So, an atonal ring mod would be very close to that garbled glitchy crunch of a confused monophonic synth. Also, you already know tremolos can be pushed into ringmod territory, so all very good candidates. To combine your univibe idea, I'm thinking of using my EQD Night Wire - as a harmonic trem, it might still have some univibe-like sweeps which the Vocoder may interpret into something rather cool. Very grateful to you for the ideas! But especially for noting my unique approach 🙏 That means a lot.
@@GreenhamGuitar also I know when you run a tremolo to the point where it’s a faux reverb it is doing a fairly similar thing with a carrier signal and a modulating signal, it’s just obviously they aren’t both being fed by your guitar, one is set by the speed of your tremolo. I also wonder what would happen if there’s any kind of delay between your carrier and modulation signal in your setup, only a few ms, something like the Mimiq or Keeley 30ms. Because then you could have the carrier signal be modulated by a version of itself but a few milliseconds in the past.
@@bobflemming100Wow, you just made my day! Thank you so, so much 🙏 You've kindly highlighted my main goals here - to really test the limits, but in a melodic way that stays musical, and to not take the process too seriously 😅
That's brilliant! Such a great idea!
Thank you! Really glad you liked it. It all stemmed from the idea of running drums through a vocoder to create pitched kicks that matched the bass line 😅 That experiment did not go so well, but there were other happy accidents! I'll still post other Vocoder experiments and more soon 😊
Damn David, you always got these amazing original tones. The only thing I could think of to make that Opening Door sound is an envelope tremolo but it probably would'nt sound this cool.
Wow thanks! What an awesome thing to say. And it means a lot coming from you, with such a world class channel. I was chatting in another comment about trying out the EQD Night Wire, my harmonic tremolo, albeit it isn't quite as pronounced as your tremvelope concept. I also got to thinking the SY-1's sequencer would surely be as good, but the harmonic trem was definitely the better idea when I gave 'em both a go. The SY-1 isn't very well defined as a synth, a bit too... fluffy? So that's probably why. Anyway, definitely will try some other inputs. Love your channel, so thanks again.
@@GreenhamGuitar Thanks man, likewise! The EQD one is cool but it's a smooth sine wave kind of tremolo, maybe a square wave tremvelope will sound better. I also played the SY-1 in the guitar store, to me everything sounded as it was drenched in modulation, no tight sounds, fluffy indeed.
BTW, did you see my Happy Hardcore Pedalboard Jam? I guess you'll like it.
@@DIYguitarGuy Oh my, I love Happy Hardcore! Thanks, I'll check it out for sure. I think you are right about the square wavey-ness of the tremolo. Only at max depth does the Night Wire have that chop, but hopefully it will do... since it's my only tremolo 😬 My gear acquisition has slowed down considerably since the world went mad. But I'm pretty sure some incarnation of your Happy Hardcore Pedalboard is about to become my life's mission 😂
I am assuming this will work with slicer too. I will try
Awesome idea! Please let me know how it goes. I actually achieved a similar stutter effect to the one in this video by running a Pitch Fork into the MIC input (and blending different octaves), but you're idea should yield some great results!
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Cool sounds! Try plugging a drum machine into the mic and a guitar into the vocoder input. Or vice versa. I have wondered about using atypical combinations with a vocoder for years (decades, actually), but I never tried it.
Now that's a stellar idea! It's actually why I bought this pedal! I wanted to recreate techno kicks (particularly Hardcore and Hardstyle 😋). But I only had limited success... Still, there are plenty of other awesome drum applications, so thank you, I'll work with this idea more 😊
Holy fuck 🙌 great sounds, ideas & some laughs. Thanks for sharing. We love ugly tones and completely love that combo ✌🏼🤟🤘🏻
That's too damn cool of you to say! Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the light-hearted approach 😁 I've got some other ideas lined up with these bad boys... The quest for ugly tones continues!
Can't wait to see what the VO-1 can do. I got one a while back for general vocoding silliniess, then found an EHX V256 in an electronics shop and grabbed that, so my VO-1's been in it's box gathering dust. Would love to give it a new experimental lease on life rather than just waiting for a buyer.
Oh great! Good plan. Squeeze out every idea, then you can sell it without reservation. If you haven't tried already, let me know if you got any cool combinations. I would have got the EHX V256, but the VO-1's Advanced mode had something extra going for it. I still wonder if the V256 couldn't pitch kicks to match the guitar. That was my original goal... seems the VO-1 is biased toward higher frequencies (of your voice), so no low end shaping. Still, many more experiments await.
Awesome!
Thank you so much! Hopefully another weird pedal combo will pop into my head soon.
Are you only using those two pedals?? Not using the OC-5? Didnt think the SYB-5 worked with regular guitar pitches
Hey there, well spotted! OC-5 definitely involved, but on a parallel path that never runs through the VO-1 or the SYB-5, so they just receive clean guitar. The OC-5's suboctave output in "Lowest Note" mode gets mixed in further down the line to add a subbass effect.
@@GreenhamGuitar nice dude, love ur work
@@sambucca98 Thanks so much! So happy to hear that. No idea where it's all headed, but we'll have fun getting there 😁
This is super fantastic. So, basically a Vocoder can turn a monophonic synth into polyphonic? I'm thinking if that applies to polyphonic effects like an harmonizer?
I'm wondering how would sound on the Line6 FM4 synths, or the Digitech synth wah
Glad you like the idea! It's so fun, and yes, it does allow monophonic pedals to shape your guitar with some, but not most, of their original character. As you could tell, each new waveform from the SYB-5 shaping my clean guitar kind of produces something new but similar, with varying degrees of crunch or fizz. Then depending on the octave of the synth, that also had another notable effect on the output... but again, the end result is usually very BOSS Vocoderish 😄 The guitar's clean notes still dictate the chord, and it's quite interesting when you also run a duplicate of your guitar into the mic input simultaneously instead of the synth. I am planning a demo on that. Sounds like a trumpet in Vintage mode, a synth in Advanced mode, and a lofi radio in Talkbox mode. But if you shaped your guitar with a harmonizer or any sort of pitch shifter, it's the same as a clean guitar into the MIC input, as described above. You need a radicaly different MIC input to produce new sounds, hence the human voice being the best choice, or unique monophonic synths. I'll do a demo soon on feeding the VO-1 a duplicated guitar at the MIC input 😁
@@GreenhamGuitar Wow, thank you for the info reply! :) I have a Line6 POD Hd desktop with a vocoder input, may be i will try some of your synth ideas! The only thing that i've tried with my vocoder that i didnt find anywhere, is that if you put the vocoder in an unconventional order in the chain, it can serve as a simulator of feedback an sustain (using the voice on a mic), it can produce very nice harmonics using a distortion pedal :)
God that sounds cool. I could so use that
Yes! Definitely one of the coolest sounds I've gotten out of a guitar pedal combo 😀 Some other great noises to be found by plugging drums, etc. into the Vocoder MIC input.
I wish there was an easier/more consistent way to get that “opening door” sound, a ring mod maybe?
To be fair I’d love to hear a ring mod into this, or something like a Tremolo, what happens with something like a univibe in front of it?
Love the video as per usual though, I can’t find anyone else who explores pedals in this way. The Future Bass section was easily my favourite.
How about a delay before the ring mod? Something like the Meris enzo might get you some of the way there.
I'm very glad I'm not the only one who loved the Future Bass section 😅 Your ring mod idea's got me thinking... because now I'm relatively certain the "opening door" is the result of the SYB-5 battling to cope with two notes, despite the fact that the VO-1 effectively renders everything polyphonic. So, an atonal ring mod would be very close to that garbled glitchy crunch of a confused monophonic synth. Also, you already know tremolos can be pushed into ringmod territory, so all very good candidates. To combine your univibe idea, I'm thinking of using my EQD Night Wire - as a harmonic trem, it might still have some univibe-like sweeps which the Vocoder may interpret into something rather cool. Very grateful to you for the ideas! But especially for noting my unique approach 🙏 That means a lot.
@@GreenhamGuitar you make great videos! Very original, informative and funny!
@@GreenhamGuitar also I know when you run a tremolo to the point where it’s a faux reverb it is doing a fairly similar thing with a carrier signal and a modulating signal, it’s just obviously they aren’t both being fed by your guitar, one is set by the speed of your tremolo.
I also wonder what would happen if there’s any kind of delay between your carrier and modulation signal in your setup, only a few ms, something like the Mimiq or Keeley 30ms. Because then you could have the carrier signal be modulated by a version of itself but a few milliseconds in the past.
@@bobflemming100Wow, you just made my day! Thank you so, so much 🙏 You've kindly highlighted my main goals here - to really test the limits, but in a melodic way that stays musical, and to not take the process too seriously 😅