BEAT THE COLD 🥶 DIESEL HEATERS FOR A GARAGE/UNIT

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  • @Adam151082
    @Adam151082  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Maxpeedingrods heater fitting video
    th-cam.com/video/v1PK5rXHbnY/w-d-xo.html

    • @officialmysteriousrider130
      @officialmysteriousrider130 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you still have a that diesel heater Adam why don't you connect the exhaust pipe to one side of a little house radiator & the other side going outside. that way you get heat from the radiator heating up from the exhaust gases. Just fought id leave you this little tip

  • @neildonaldsonlotusexcelresto
    @neildonaldsonlotusexcelresto 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Heating your garage Adam? I thought you lot in the North East were proper men! Next you will be ordering a slimline tonic with an umbrella in it. 😀... P.S: only joking, love the channel!

    • @Adam151082
      @Adam151082  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      😂😂🍸

    • @richarddinning6901
      @richarddinning6901 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Im sitting down with big tam from just stop the oil protesters. He's not happy with the diesel heater he's a fanny 😅😅😅great content Adam

    • @neildonaldsonlotusexcelresto
      @neildonaldsonlotusexcelresto 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@richarddinning6901 I think Greta Thunberg is on her way to Adam's right now, with a big scowl on her face 😀

    • @scoobysean555
      @scoobysean555 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      What happened to the 3 jacket rule 😂 heaters 😂 lucky if can afford a lighter an a candle nowadays 😂

  • @st4034
    @st4034 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I absolutely love this Channel. So down to earth, no ego and lots of good information. 👏👏

    • @Adam151082
      @Adam151082  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Cheers fella 👍🏼

  • @michaelmason5459
    @michaelmason5459 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Hi Adam seasons greetings and all best for New Year. The Chinese diesel heater fitted outside if you extend the Hot air outlet further down garage then put a pipe on the hot air inlet and fit it into base of garage it will circulate air better, plus your constantly warming up cold damp air from outside, where as the hot air pick up inside you'll be warming up preheated dryer air from garage making it more efficent. If that makes sense

  • @BespokeBaits
    @BespokeBaits 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Adam you have you Chinese Diesel Heater plumber in wrong. Firstly you should have it inside the garage so that it sucks warm air, at the moment you are heating cold air from outside. It needs moved inside on that wall where your pump is. This will then use the warmer air from inside the garage. Next thing you only run the exhaust outside to get rid of the CO2. Important to run the exhaust gasses through a radiator to take the heat from the exhaust gases. So much heat gets wasted through the exhaust gases. Hope this helps

  • @zerocool123567
    @zerocool123567 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    you need to have the inlet from the heater pulling the air from within the garage, not from outside. I have a diesel heater from ebay in my 30sqm block shed, insulated with celotex and plastered (home pub) lol, this is the 2nd winter with the unit putting in lots of hours. last winter it was on 24hrs a day for 2 months. held the shed at 21 degrees on lowest setting. mine struggled at first as i was pulling in frezzing cold aire from outside, as soon as i put the air inlet in the shed it was pulling in hotter air as the room heated up. At this point its alot hotter than a hair dryer. Also, side note: have a carbon monixide detector in the gararge just for safety..

  • @tlg7268
    @tlg7268 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Those chinese heaters have been made illegal now in the UK. I wouldn't fancy using the 1 that throws a flame out either especially with 2 cozzies in the garages 😂. Great vid as always Adam. All the best

    • @Paul.Reviews
      @Paul.Reviews 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They're not illegal - they've stopped one brand from being imported.

    • @tlg7268
      @tlg7268 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Paul.Reviews from what I've read up n watched they've actually made them illegal

    • @Paul.Reviews
      @Paul.Reviews 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tlg7268 Do you have any links? Trading Standards are blocked the import of several Vevor products and seized thousands being imported - but they'd struggle to make them illegal... the design has existed for donkeys years.

  • @gregoliver240
    @gregoliver240 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You can get ducting for the space heater outside and spread the heating out more evenly through the garage

  • @tonyfurneaux3399
    @tonyfurneaux3399 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hi Adam, I think your heater is losing a ton of heat cos you dont have the heat line insulated right from the heater, I am sure you can get like a sleeve to cover the heat line. I am a Brit living in Canada since 2006, so I know how much insulation helps mate. My wife an I added 2inches of insulation to our house, so 4 up to 6inch, we use half the propane the previous owners used. Also fyi, you are losing maybe half the heat produced straight out the exhaust, check with a thermo reader. Thanks for sharing all your vids, great content mate.

  • @andybarbet73
    @andybarbet73 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My Sealey diesel heater was doing that too, I opened it up and lowered the pressure, there's an adjuster inside. Now it doesn't smoke/flame on start up and it doesn't use anywhere near the amount of diesel that it did. Mine is the same sort as you're new hyundai blue one. Only thing I found was the fuel hoses only last about 2 years but not too tricky to replace 👍

  • @DaveRogers1985
    @DaveRogers1985 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For the heater rather than connecting it to a car battery you can get a mains convertor for it!

  • @janfredriklarsen9698
    @janfredriklarsen9698 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You should try Airrex infrared dieselwarmers. No smell and perfectly safe

  • @neilt7145
    @neilt7145 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Adam, ever considered a wood burning stove? We have the Hampton 5 and run it mainly on heavy duty pallets I get from work for free. Knocks out 5KW of heat and makes the whole downstairs nice and toasty.

  • @mrvoorhees2627
    @mrvoorhees2627 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a cast iron wood burner in my garage works perfect i have lots of wood old pallets etc kicking around and 4 trees in my garden so loads of dead wood but if you had to buy wood it wouldn't be a lot to heat a garage i wasn't sure when i got it but really is good. Love the channel especially the car reviews 👌

  • @Metal05
    @Metal05 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Whilst digging out, I would’ve put a nice flow and return underground from main house heating, on a zone valve and separate thermostat. But then I am a gas engineer and can do it, and doesn’t cost me anything.

  • @Diddy65
    @Diddy65 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Chinese heater is meant to be fitted inside of garage. Exhaust & little air intake pipe put through holes to the outside. Happy new year.

  • @bigeein
    @bigeein 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Adam , try asking around. Find out who has oil central heating for there house (it’s kerosene) I’m sure the could spare some. Just pump it out from there oil tank 👍🏻

  • @andrewlaybourne1620
    @andrewlaybourne1620 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The maxpeedingrods heater would be alot more efficient if you recirculated the air from the garage instead of heating the cold from outside

  • @lemmykilmister450
    @lemmykilmister450 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The first time you switched that SIP on, you must have shit yourself 😅

  • @matthewdrake9699
    @matthewdrake9699 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cheers for the vid Adam… i think i asked you about this a few weeks back 👍🏻

  • @shaun...6838
    @shaun...6838 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Be nice If you could tap into your house central heating and install a couple of rads in the garage

  • @skodakatie7341
    @skodakatie7341 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really enjoy this channel, it’s very informative and down to earth.
    Happy New Year Adam, I’m looking forward to more content next year❤.

  • @mattjagger4360
    @mattjagger4360 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I use a cheap chinese diesel heater the 8kw one. To heat a double front room in my house. We have a log burner and electric heaters, i don't use them in the winter i just use the diesel heater on kerosene. The entire winter heating costs me £300.

  • @sparkinsonic
    @sparkinsonic 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a great garage.....so well fitted out....Enjoying the channel,Thank you for all the info !

  • @jaycotto26
    @jaycotto26 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Used to run a large torpedo heater in an old workshop. Started to notice alot of soot gathering on flat surfaces. Personally i would run a webasto diesel, water heater with radiators fitted in the garages. You can exhaust the fumes outside. Fitted the same system to a friends canal boat, worked great.

  • @michaelstainthorpe1569
    @michaelstainthorpe1569 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have got the exact same Hyundai heater you have Adam. I love it ,have been using it the last 3 months working on and off on my rally car in my garage.fastastic peace of kit only put it on four about 2-3 minutes every now and then soon warms garage up

  • @simonnorcliffe5877
    @simonnorcliffe5877 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😊love the channel Adam, watched you for several years ,when you had your subaru and when you built your garage. I think a hat 🧢 and 🧤 gloves could be the answer.😊😊 All the very best 🎉and keep the videos coming 😊

  • @richpolecat6527
    @richpolecat6527 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should have invested in a Bullfinch heater (gas). Very cheap to buy, used £50.
    One would heat your garage on its very lowest setting, and on full chat, will heat a warehouse. They're used in the building trade to dry out houses that have been plastered.

  • @Salmonleap2023
    @Salmonleap2023 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Got one of the sip infrared for a Xmas present, looks the part and great heat , BUT as you said the thermostat control is crap, on my unit the room temperature on the digital screen never dropped, awful design, going to return it, very unhappy with the SIP , I had the old sip torpedo heater, lasted years

  • @rmc5378
    @rmc5378 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have an air source heat pump in my garage. I expect my walls and roof is insulated though.
    Keeps the garage warm in Finnish winters, can be as low as -20 to -25c

  • @carlbayley9053
    @carlbayley9053 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe cheaper putting radiators in m8 from house and just turn thermostats off when not using to save on ya bills. Another great video Adam.

  • @mcjjordan
    @mcjjordan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That cdh needs the intake pipe bringing air from inside so that recycles the warm air.
    Those space heaters - your breathing in the exhaust fumes!
    Get your self a carbon monoxide alarm.

  • @ianbarnes8593
    @ianbarnes8593 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That Sip heater, the clues in the name; Fireball!

  • @thomasmcglinchey2024
    @thomasmcglinchey2024 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is something wrong with your fire ball sip heater . They dont do the 🔥 out the front on start up when they are going correct. I have this sip fire ball for 3 years great heater no issues. I had a number of the Torpedo type heaters including the new one you have and they all give problems. Smells and the front plate falls out they are scrap. Happy new year

  • @Darrenaltec
    @Darrenaltec 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The diesel heater should be mounted inside like a camper van, with the exhaust inlet and outlet outside.
    The way you have the fresh air inlet outside will always be heating freezing cold air and not run efficiently, it supposed to recirculate inside 👍

  • @waynejackson3739
    @waynejackson3739 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Adam I’ve got an old park ray in my garage gets up to 35 degrees in the winter when it’s lit, I run it on smokeless coal. CheeRS jacko

  • @dalemr2
    @dalemr2 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If it's only putting out the same amount is heat as a hair dryer, then you've a problem with it. I've been running diesel heaters for years and they put out a huge amount of heat, there should easily be enough to heat that garage.
    Although i must say, you've set that diesel heater up in a really inefficient way....

  • @lisandrofernandes
    @lisandrofernandes 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🎉🎉😂😂😂😂 Hi mate you should take the air from the garage and circulate of the hot air vent, over and over.
    If you taking air from outside and putting to heat you using more diesel to get it hot, depending the weather outside.
    Another point. You made a nice box and looks fire retardant but it's too close the the roof, if all that insulation!
    Nice videos all discrimination for the heaters will help someone 😊

  • @jeffc3676
    @jeffc3676 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hi Adam, are you using white diesel? Why not red diesel?.. 🤔

    • @mcjjordan
      @mcjjordan 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Red or kerosene. White diesel is so expensive

    • @Schnorbitz
      @Schnorbitz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Red is strictly agri only in UK now

  • @davebartram1732
    @davebartram1732 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m deffo thinking of a Chinese heater for my garage , at moment it’s bloody freezing here in north east

  • @anthonycraig274
    @anthonycraig274 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Now I know what bat man uses as his exhaust.😂

  • @Stressfreezone-s3w
    @Stressfreezone-s3w 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Use heating oil in the first on it is less smoky I have a different brand but my heater did the same being so smoky and when it started using heating oil it stopped

  • @garagecedric
    @garagecedric 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Seems like it would be much cheaper to run an air/air heat pump, and more convenient/less risk/less noise. Most of them has wifi aswell nowdays, which is nice so i can increase the temp a few minutes before i go out. At least here its super common for this type use.

  • @alandonnelly9788
    @alandonnelly9788 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video Adam my misses won't let me have a heater she says suck n extra strong mint & blow on yourself unbelievable 😂

  • @Mark-gf7yw
    @Mark-gf7yw 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You need to adjust your pump pressure, if you’re kicking out flames like that mate 👍

  • @steveking1291
    @steveking1291 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have an air conditioner fitted mate cheep as chips to run. I’ll even fit it for you 😉

  • @mattbrown2723
    @mattbrown2723 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My garage is a similar size to yours Adam, I use one of the Chinese style heaters which works ok. I don’t like using heaters that have an open flame since my mate destroyed his garage. My mk2 always used to smell of petrol, so i never took the risk.

  • @bluestorm1944
    @bluestorm1944 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Haven’t t watched vid yet Adam, but was thinking when you were doing this before, given garage is built as it is can’t you just drill through from house and pop a central heating radiator on in there? Just leave it on low to keep it above freezing and turn it up before you are going to go work in there. That’s what I’d be doing with an adjoining garage.

    • @MaRkW49
      @MaRkW49 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There’s a garden between the house and garage.

    • @bluestorm1944
      @bluestorm1944 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought he’d just extended off the side of the house? If not then yeah not a good idea 😂

  • @777steve
    @777steve 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Adam
    Love your channel. I've been running a Chinese diesel heater in my garage for over 12 months now with no problems but I do run it off a leisure battery being charged off a solar panel have a look at my channel to see . Keep up the good work 👍

  • @WattyBhoy
    @WattyBhoy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My Da melted the dash in an old hilux surf with one of them trying to dry the seats quicker 😂

  • @AB-C1
    @AB-C1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video mate!

  • @stephenpayne8608
    @stephenpayne8608 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You should try Airrex AH-200i Diesel-Fuelled Infrared Heater - 230v 13kW

  • @sxrory
    @sxrory 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How Does the Hyundai one work? does it kick out fumes then? Would you be found brown bread if gou had it on too long?

  • @russellmarsden9329
    @russellmarsden9329 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video Adam. I would guess that the SIP heater pump is out of adjustment. If you turn the mixture down it should run clean and start without the flames.

    • @Schnorbitz
      @Schnorbitz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Or run it on the fuel it is set up for.

  • @GARAGESXERO
    @GARAGESXERO 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i run my sealy torpedo heater on red diesel,, cheap and warm it also puffs out black smoke on turn on but most diesels do that

  • @danpoxon2425
    @danpoxon2425 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Been waiting for this video Adam👍🏽

  • @popeye9048
    @popeye9048 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why not sheet the ceiling? It'll then take less time to heat and be better insulated.

  • @johnosullivan8116
    @johnosullivan8116 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What's your other channel called Adam? I would love to see that 2 post lift going in and, as usual, good video 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @paulheywood2116
    @paulheywood2116 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As I’m sitting here in shorts sweating my ass off lol

  • @mikejennings7779
    @mikejennings7779 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Get ya self a 100ltr water butt for kero, it's half the price and will only need filling once a year

  • @stifla
    @stifla 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Start the heater outside 😮😮😮

  • @kerbsidemotors9249
    @kerbsidemotors9249 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does this have English subtitles and an application for guild of Master craftsman?

    • @cg7975
      @cg7975 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Salmonleap2023
    @Salmonleap2023 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Adam, does the Hyundai have a thermostat that works ?

  • @sim6699
    @sim6699 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hair dryer can't be more than 3kw whereas a diesel heater can be 2kw, 5kw or 8kw

  • @cjmackay9804
    @cjmackay9804 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When is your next escort video mate? Feel like it’s been ages hope the next one is a long one 👍🏻

    • @cg7975
      @cg7975 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Some say he's been trying to get through to the samaritans - but they've blocked his number 🤷‍♂️

  • @leeharrison2746
    @leeharrison2746 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can’t you run it on red diesel

  • @johnrobertbainbridge7667
    @johnrobertbainbridge7667 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I wish I had a garage 😂

  • @barryjackson8512
    @barryjackson8512 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Get some red diesel in
    Them

  • @MrAndyS
    @MrAndyS 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I run a space heater from propane better than dirty diesel imo

  • @ibana8449
    @ibana8449 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a low use Rtech AC/DC TIG to match your Rtech Mig if youre interested. Works off a 13amp plug. Give me a shout if interested. Im just north of Newcastle.

  • @bazza7777
    @bazza7777 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Get a wood burner

  • @davidhamer1418
    @davidhamer1418 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you not use old Car oil mixed with diesel in them?

    • @F0rdy57
      @F0rdy57 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s illegal to burn old oil in the UK in heaters

    • @davidhamer1418
      @davidhamer1418 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @ford5582 learn something new ever day, I know they do it in the usa tho

  • @pauldavis5184
    @pauldavis5184 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You’re Mike playing up ?

  • @suitsyousir1980
    @suitsyousir1980 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    More heaters than Cossies man wtf 😂😂

  • @dalemr2
    @dalemr2 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your channel is decent, but you really REALLY shouldn't post stuff that reviews a product when you've installed and are using them wrong. Your audience is huge and you're giving the incorrect information to thousands of people, because of user error..

  • @thewatcher9323
    @thewatcher9323 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is you diesel heater plugged into your house power or a battery? I think they should run though a battery with a trickle charger. Might be wrong but i heard they can go on fire if theres a power cut. Does anyone know if thats right? Waiting for mine in the post❤

    • @tonyfurneaux3399
      @tonyfurneaux3399 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes you are correct, they need constant power to cool down between cycles, if you have a power cut, they cant cool down as needed. Car battery with small trickle charger will work well.

    • @davechapman5815
      @davechapman5815 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ..... Did you actually WATCH the video....??

  • @davidhaygarth648
    @davidhaygarth648 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fireball by name. Fireball by nature. Why try to save money when you end up putting everything youve built at risk ? You need 2 cheap fan heaters from Asda.

  • @YouTubeuser-eq4up
    @YouTubeuser-eq4up 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did you not install a diesel heater last year pal?

    • @Adam151082
      @Adam151082  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes 👍🏼

    • @YouTubeuser-eq4up
      @YouTubeuser-eq4up 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Adam151082 commented before I watched the video pal. Happy new year when it comes 👍

  • @lloydwalter8209
    @lloydwalter8209 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why have you put the heater outside your garage 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @weirdobagins8948
      @weirdobagins8948 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Am guessing a cheap Chinese heater inside with x2 cosworths is a bad combination
      Leave it outside just in case 🔥 sounds like a good idea to me

  • @rogerwest6014
    @rogerwest6014 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Have you spoken to Paul Linfoot yet about the Escort rs cosworth he sold you. Surely with their experience they saw condition underneath car.?

    • @allan3342
      @allan3342 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The car was sold as a project

    • @LeeMcCullagh
      @LeeMcCullagh 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Watch the video Paul did on the escort

    • @cliveturner4788
      @cliveturner4788 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Adam was fully aware of the condition of the Escort before he bought it…..have you not watched any more of Adam’s videos, or Paul’s for that matter?

    • @davechapman5815
      @davechapman5815 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tit.

  • @cloudninephoto
    @cloudninephoto 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can see why they named it the Fireball 😂😂😂.

  • @darootdaroo
    @darootdaroo 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Get a gas heater they arent as stinky as the diesel ones

  • @craigbould7224
    @craigbould7224 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you fancy Donating me the sip heater 🤣

  • @Andrew-b3j7r
    @Andrew-b3j7r 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would have just plumbed your central heating from your house into the garage

  • @stephen8468
    @stephen8468 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You’ve butched the word diesel there mate

  • @Scotty-UK
    @Scotty-UK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So basically don’t buy on as there shit 😂

  • @northernvoice7288
    @northernvoice7288 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    DEISEL is this similar to diesel 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @stephen8468
      @stephen8468 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Vin deisel

    • @Adam151082
      @Adam151082  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well spotted. I’ll change that 😂

    • @northernvoice7288
      @northernvoice7288 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Adam151082 Just joshing with yer Adam, great video keep up the good work and I'll look forward to the next one, Cheers

  • @rutaviciene1937
    @rutaviciene1937 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👍🤝🇱🇹LT

  • @r2drone227
    @r2drone227 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Light it outside then the smoke isn’t in the garage.

  • @Diddy65
    @Diddy65 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Adam is the reason for global warming🤫

  • @669basher9rc
    @669basher9rc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so going to spend well over a grand + .just to set up some heat. dont think so. what a con... them links. ?