A Hater's Guide to Winter Park
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- Spilling the tea on Winter Park’s downfall.
Disclaimer: Yes, I am aware that a lot of this video is inaccurate. This is because many statements in this video are made up or exaggerated for effect. None of this video is based in fact, and it is not intended to be interpreted as such. This is not an overarching review of Winter Park, but rather an embellished satire intended to amuse and entertain. No hate is intended, and this video should not be used to promote any sort of hate against any aspect of the ski industry. Don’t take life too seriously.
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For all of you that are concerned about the final clip in the video, the context is that this was a test sanctioned by the resort and the lift company to determine what would happen in that scenario. All chairlifts are very safe, partially due to the findings of thar test in 1990.
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L O meffing L. 1990? I think ill but my entire family on a "finding," which means opinion. You hot brass oo.
The best part of this video is that you feel like you're skiing all those wonderful runs. I didn't pay much attention to all the chatting about the various lifts and runs, but just enjoyed seeing a video of what I love about Winter Park -- the runs and the trees. Now in my 80s, I only get a week or so to ski at that wonderful resort, with no lines Monday - Thursday every week (except holiday season). Lots of snow, huge resort, all the terrain you could hope for and no crowds. What's not to like?
I have a second home here, and it is our home mountain. Pretty spot on.
It's a great mountain, but there is no doubt that: a) it is getting way busier, b) saturdays after 9:30 AM are brutal on many parts of the mountain, c) some of the lift choices are questionable.
Overall, it is great to see the investment and growth. What it highlights, per your other note, is the need for expansion.
I worked at the Zephyr at WP and have been skiing there for 30+ years. My ski jumps got bulldozed by Intrawest, the base became a real estate nightmare, and the parking went to Hell. But its still my favorite ski area...outside Steamboat.
For all these reasons, I ski during the week and never on the weekend.
I've skied Winter Park for the best majority of my life, going on 20 years now. It has some great terrain but I agree with a lot of you are assessments. The flatness all over the mountain can get very annoying to say the least. The lines at panorama are disgusting, and it would be amazing if they could somehow put another lift to go up there or I don't know expand into zero creek or something like that or even second creek. That ridge being so flat on the top kind of limits where people can easily go without having to pull even more which is annoying. I'm curious to know what you think of the master plans that were released last year including a new lift service the plot of terrain near pioneer it'll be like a large area of blues and another lift I think that'll go from the bottom of eagle into the top of the circ. The circus special cuz you have to hike to get back there and I worry a lift will make it harder to find good powder turns but also might be nice as well. I don't know what I think yet. In terms of their stupid tubing hill. I think it's a shame that they're working on that one so much because the tubing hill and Fraser is so much better. The old one that's like a locally owned tiny family-owned business, and is really steep. All the other ones in the county are just meh compared to it
It would be nice to have something like Apollo or outrier again. I really hope they don't remove the iron horse as it's getting aged and not replace it with something. On overflow days if you don't have the iron horse you don't have anything. Also I have never been able to figure out why the super gauge line is like really long and then you get to the gate and then you just have to book it to the lift. Why do they hold people back so much? And there's all these good little cute two-person lifts at the base there but for some stupid reason everyone waits in line for the six pack.
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Been skiing there for 20+ years. Ski weekdays and you have none of these problems.
Yeah, some of us have jobs, unfortunately. I would love to only ski weekdays if I could.
Yeah, Winter Park and Mary Janes sucks tell your friends!
And this is why when you go to Winter Park, you don't ski Winter Park. Anyone who's local/a decent skier will ski Mary Jane, which is absolutely incredible terrain, you just have to be actually good to ski it. OR, you can ski Pano, which has long lines but you get a long run per lift ride. OR, you can ski Eagle Wind (again, you have to be good) which has very few people, consistent powder if you know where to look, and overall the best tree skiing of anywhere I've found. OR, you can ski Vasquez ridge which has a good mix of trees (they always have powder), moguls, and groomers. OR, if you're an expert skier, you can ski the best terrain on the mountain, the Cirque. They're careful about avalanches so it's not always open, but powder days on the Cirque have easily been the best experience of my life, you just have to be okay with 60 degree slops and cliffs. Yes, the actual Winter Park area is mid and everyone who skis there frequently knows it. It's for beginners and the only decent terrain are the steeper mogul runs under Explorer. So once you're good, just ski somewhere a different area, the rest of them are fantastic. What's funny is that a lot of your B-roll wasn't even at Winter Park, it was at Pano or Mary Jane.
Yeah I threw in some Eagle Wind footage too. Just not a ton to hate on in those areas, aside from the Sunnyside bit at the end. But I've definitely left the door open for a part 2 of this one where I go all in on all the other territories.
Gotta admit I’m a Vasquez hater! I’ve spent enough time there to feel qualified to comment but that long flat runout kills me EVERY TIME. Still good for a fresh lap here and there but every time I ride that side I cry a lil bit inside
No runout anymore. New lift this summer with a midload at the top of the runout
Put in 100+ days a season here from 07-11 before moving to UT….i could spend an entire day lapping the challenger chair and ripping the steep technical trees over and over😊 lapping tophers trees and bounding thru the mushroom patch!!! Just wandering hut to hut and having some of the most epic days of my life(so far)😁 there’s something special about the Jane and i hear lots has changed since i was there….oh can’t forget to hit belle fouche’ off eagle wind😋
Been working at WP the past 5 years, left this past spring after being forced out by new management. Place seems like it’s becoming a corporate playplace. Can remember my managers asking me as a supervisor to violate state labor laws, other managers making fun of disabled elderly employees or making sexual remarks about female employees. Not a super happy place anymore.
I ski WP a couple days a season. Usually in Dec, and then again in late Mar thru May. I usually get up there on the weekends, so mid-season just isn't worth the drive - too crowded. There are plenty of other choices within easy access of the Denver metro😊. But I do love my days there when I do go.
As long as we are hating here, I cringe every time you say "catwalk". A catwalk is a suspended walkway above a stage, like on Broadway. The term you are looking for is "CAT TRACK" and is named this because it's a low angle track for snowcats, which have TRACKS and don't "walk".
I mean, there's a run called "Catwalk" at Loveland that is indeed what you propose to be a cat track. So I'd start there and then determine the lineage of the entire skiing community that calls it a catwalk, leading to my particular vernacular.
Worked on a mountain in Montana. It was always called a Cat walk.
@@CindyBurmeseit was Montana! Hardly the lexicon for the world. Poaching is called "Jump Hunting, (I heard.). Bitterroot Road [Yellowstane Barn] is pronounced "Bitterrut.). Ive got tax free incomes and i cant buy an outhouse thanks to Toad Turner, Huey Lewis and the cast of Jellostones, a show so stupid they murder more than Gotti did.
Haters are gonna hate. It’s “Cat Walk”. A “Cat Track” is what the “Snow Cat” leaves behind after it goes across the snow. (Sometimes they leave other stuff but that’s gross. )
Love to all. 😊
Where do you even live? How often do you ski at Winter Park? Do you own there? When was the first time you skied there?
Born and raised since 1982 local here. I’d love to debate you on a lot of this. Intrawest sucked bad and made a lot of bad decisions but it’s really not a horrible place like you say it is.
You seem like you won’t be happy anywhere
I live wherever it's convenient for you to imagine me living. I ski winter park at least once a month each winter, have been for well over a decade. So while I'm not as experienced as you, I have plenty of experience to highlight the bad. So that I could make this video, I omitted all of the good things about WP, and it still remains one of my favorite ski resorts, regardless of what was said in this video.
Where is your crib? I started looking at WP resort, WP town, then Fraser [a garden shed was $600k then to Granby. Eff Me nothing under a million. My funds are liquid and safe so I hope the Depression stars soon snd real estate becomes affordable.
I live near a small-ish town that gives me easy access to a lot of the Colorado ski resorts, especially the ones along I-70. I would think it'll have to calm down eventually, so stick tight and wait it out. It'll be worth it some day.
@@SRGSkiing thanks☃
This whole area has gone to crap. I grew up skied and even worked at the area back in the day. Back when the comet meteor t bars were in operation. Winter park had some character and was affordable. Now it's an over priced crap hole.
Would they have survived without Alterra?
I'm sure somebody would have scooped them up. It was way too highly developed and big.
I hope winter park sees this and names the other gondola the other gondola.
I hope so too 😂
I've been skiing WP since I was a teen and while some of the misappropriation of funds that you point out are genuinely upsetting, you're point about lift infrastructure, specifically Sunnyside, is literally ridiculous haha. WP ownership was always on the brink of bankruptcy until the 2010's, so that fact that any lift upgrades happened is a miracle. The massive backlog of skiers going on to pano, which is closed at least 1/3 of days, means that if the line gets long enough people will now choose to take sunnyside, relieving some of the traffic on pano. Half of the bowl funnels into Eidelweiss anyways so this point is just not true or fair. t. Them opening previously "closed" areas due to overwhelming public demand should be applauded. I think every single problem that you have with WP essentially boils down to the sheer volume of skiers, which is upsetting, but what the heck can you do about that? Colorado is blown out... the front range is a juggernaut of a sprawling metro area with no signs of slowing down, everybody wants their slice of paradise
p.s. nothing is more infuriating than people saying "just ski on weekdays and you wont have these problems" ... Like no s***, thats obviously not an option for most people otherwise it wouldn't be true haha
Yeah man, I love WP half to death and I totally get where you're coming fun. I do think it better to get my frustration out here than while I'm on the slope, though 😂
@@SRGSkiing fair enough
It all started when they took out timberline lift and gladed that entire side of the mountain. Prior you had to be an expert skier abd willing to wait for the lift which really kept thr numbers down. Could find pow for days back there. There are still plenty of gems but the whole town and resort are selling out. I bet parking at Jane will not be free soon
Selling out to who or what?
Developers and big corporate.
@@specag31Alterra, the owners of the Ikon pass
@@asajayunknown6290 Agreed! Thanks.
@@SRGSkiing Agreed, thanks.
I've only been there a few times so far but as far as I can tell this is pretty spot on.
Spent a few days late season on the mj side after wp side closed last year and pano would've been a nightmare if it was any busier.
Edel and blue were pretty shit because of how many people only lapped those runs. and the one time I went peak season last year I had to resort to the 2 chair to avoid the lines. Whatever lift is 2 people with no bars on the sides. its just like a bar down from the cable
Iron Horse. Local's classic on days when Super Gauge is busy. Cool 13 minute ride 😂
Given the comment about a pole in the middle, I think the original posters talking about the looking glass. Oldest continually operating list in Colorado and given that they serves to rain that kids are commonly on it can be quite a scary lift to load kids on. It's fairly high and I am always amazed that people can put their kids on it because there is practically no safety features. Probably going to be plotted out for something newer relatively soon based on the master plan I see.
Awesome. What ski resort are you going to do a hater's guide on next?
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@@SRGSkiing That one sounds like it'll be amazing... 😉
So basically every single mountain along the Divide haha
Followed by a ski resort in the Alps
@@SRGSkiing fair enough lol
tbh i like these hater videos. keep it up. places need feedback both good and bad.
Rich people keep it alive but completely change the vibes… I like Bridger cause it’s non profit
Winter Park / Mary Jane sucks, go to Vail if you want some real skiing!
Providing you beat the Vail lift lines. OR you could come to Europe and experience first world skiing in the major resorts instead of third world skiing in North American resorts. 😉
It's pretty funny for me because a lot of comments I've gotten are "we don't want you in Europe, stay at home you obnoxious..." and now I've got you advertising Europe. Very entertaining for me to watch the opinions of everyone conflict
@@SRGSkiing Just as well then there are no Japanese skiers commentating as Japanese resorts like Kiroro, Sapporo Kokusai, Niseko and Iwanai have as much if not more powder then the US, and they have similar facilities as Europe, to bad for me it'd be even more expensive to go to Japan then it would be to go to say Vail i.e, £6,500. 😢
@@Puzzoozoo they’re still jealous of UT snow😂the perfect blend of quantity and quality 👍🙌😁
I hate that my roommate likes winter park so much
Jus so you know you’re a terrible skier if you can’t make it across whistle stop without skating. And I don’t see how shorter terminals make a difference, every lift on the mountian can only have 3 chairs in each terminal at a time including olyimpia and prospector. You should ski at vail you overpriced Jerry
Oh I don't have problems with Whistlestop, but some of my family and friends who are less experienced do. The shorter terminals means that the lift can't run as fast. Because the chairs have the same spacing interval on the rope, the time spacing of the chairs is greater due to the lower speed, and hence, the lower capacity. In the terminal, if you have 3 chairs but it's spinning slower than another lift with 3 chairs in the terminal, the loading interval is going to be increased, thus decreasing the capacity. Luckily for me, I am able to travel the world and ski in resorts such as Vail, Courchevel, and Alta. So yes, I probably am better off skiing somewhere else.