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I'm super excited about Bergman express. I'm an expert skier but not the biggest fan of hike-to terrain, so I'm stoked that keystone opened up some more advanced lift served terrain.
I thinks it's the best new lift out of all the new VR lifts in the last 3-5 years. Really opens up the mountain and the bowl has so much space that even the 6-pack can't make the area seem busy.
Long greens are legit for people who pick up on sports quickly, but literal uncoordinated newbies will get wrecked on schoolmarm. I’m an intermediate skier and absolutely love schoolmarm and never ending smooth runs, on days when keystone isn’t busy schoolmarm can be a blast to cruise down and warm up!
Compared to most runs in West Virginia, Schoolmarm would be a blue - but that also seems to be a theme at Keystone. My sister can handle WV blacks and she considers the blues at Keystone pretty hard (but still fun). Couple that with the fact that Schoolmarm is 3.5 miles at high elevation - that isn't a novice run for sure. However, I can see how it can be an excellent run for an in-shape advanced-beginner/intermediate skier.
Ski'd Keystone last Sunday. Berg Bowl was SWAMPED with intermediates lapping it all day. The outback was an entire ghost town, I ski'd tree runs straight to the lift, and it was New Years. They also had the hike-to terrain open on that side as well. While at first I was upset that the Berg tranquility was ruined, it may actually be a blessing in disguise for the outback side.
Keystone will always hold a special place in my heart. Technically Breck was first time but I was maybe 5 or 6. Keystone is where I first really learned, and then learned bumps, and then learned trees. And I remember both North Peak and Outback opening. Everything in this video is 100% true. But I’ll always love the place regardless. (Granted I love all my I-70 resorts)
Definitely appreciate a good hater’s guide lol. Keystone will always be my home mountain. I like it more than Steamboat so far, but you have to know the secrets of Keystone to love it. Keystone has tiger run, some of the best trees around, in bounds cliffs, the pond jumps, Tom’s rocks, the ice flow, and they use to have one of the best parks in the country. I’m loving getting back into skiing, but I definitely miss Keystone.
I work at Keystone, and this is a great video, but I will say at 4:00 that you can use the Outback Gondola (OBG) to get to North Peak rather than just Mozart/Santiago for the beginner crowd. We have a great crew this year (and I have nothing to gain by saying that) so I hope when you come it's a good time, man.
A-Basin will always be number 1 ski area for me. The crowd at Keystone is what really pushed me to ski black and double black runs… I am scared of idiots vs the sharks in the snow
I've only had nice experiences at Keystone. That said, I usually arrive around 2pm for some twilight skiing. Really excited for Bergman Bowl. Plenty of hike-to left at Keystone for those fans of low-angle alpine.
Mozart is surely the most hated run in Summit County, maybe in all of Colorado. And Schoolmarm sees more accidents than I-70. But you missed the biggest problem with Keystone; it's practically in a snow dessert. Quite remarkable how much less snow it gets than all the very nearby ski areas.
Beginner's perspective on Keystone: Nothing better embodies the "white ribbon of death" than early season skiing at Keystone. Heck, I lapped the heck out of Endeavor and Scout - great novice skiing even if very, very short and served by a fixed double - but it is the only place I felt reasonably safe skiing with my kids. The main benefit think I like about Keystone is that it is slightly cheaper to learn to ski than other Vail-owned resorts - so a good place for refresher lessons - especially on an Epic pass. They also have decent pricing for early season lodging - if you don't mind a short walk at Mountain House. However, the moment Breck was open, I was standing in line with half of Colorado. For mid-week skiing in which I get a room for the night - I much prefer Beaver Creek (thanks for the recommendation!) - it is a beginner's paradise. Unless you have no other choices, Keystone really isn't a good mountain for beginners. The only reason I would consider Keystone a "family" resort is for all the non-skiing activities - like the epic tubing hill, ice skating, and sleigh rides. The best part of Schoolmarm is the view from the top, beyond that, it is a hard, long green - basically most of it would be considered a blue at east-coast or mid-west resorts. I _much_ prefer Cinch at BC - even with the cat-walk sections - for a top-to-bottom experience.
I know what the "Mozart" run of California is. It is the run "Drifter" on the back of Northstar. It is one of 3 blue runs on Northstar's backside, and it is the only run accessible by the Tahoe Zephyr Express. Then, in the morning, everyone takes Zephyr Express to get to the backside to escape the frontside morning crowds. This makes Drifter the only run for them, so it gets hella busy. At noon it has small moguls despite Northstar's excellent grooming. I just can't explain how insane this run gets. Also, if Promised Land Express isn't running, good luck with Backside Express lines. Once it took so long, somebody started selling FOOD back there. FOOD! Also, you need to take Promised Land or Backside to get to the base from the backside.
One other thing; have you ever seen adequate snow coverage on Last Hoot? I haven't. The steeper section is always full of rocks. If they can cover Lower Go Devil, they should be able to cover Last Hoot.
Here's a good Unofficial Networks article that talks about deaths, not injuries, but it's close enough: unofficialnetworks.com/2022/10/18/most-dangerous-skiing/
this may be a haters video but to me its hype. I'm ready to people dodge. Schoolmarm should be a blue run this is the most greenless mountain ive ever seen
Hahahaha! I was there over 20 years ago and most of what you say was even true then! I lived right across the road, I could actually walk across and get on a lift, but I don’t think I did a single full day there in the 2 months I was there cause pretty much everywhere else was always better. It was good for a couple of hours of night turns after work, but that was about it.
I've fully admitted that it's not all true (read the description), and I will also admit that this is not because I truly hate Keystone, but just to make an entertaining video. It's a part of a series I've got, and I appreciate you watching!
and Stowe gets multiple rain and freeze/thaw events that destroy the snowpack that Keystone does not experience- for Snow quality it is no contest Keystone crushes Stowe
@@seanray1016 that 100% is correct but I originally commented that to highlight how little snow the Colorado mountains had for the time. Temperatures drop below freezing consistently and therefore snows more around Summit County earlier than it does out East, so the fact that they had less snow than the East was frightening
Haha maybe stop goin on weekends it’s so busy You really tryin to bash on pot heads I would rather have them up there than all the drunks on the mtn so many drunks at this mtn you right there Loveland is better
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It sucked. The whole video suck. You suck and you suck at skiing stfu
I'm super excited about Bergman express. I'm an expert skier but not the biggest fan of hike-to terrain, so I'm stoked that keystone opened up some more advanced lift served terrain.
me too man! ill be out there the 11th and hoping itll be open by then!
I thinks it's the best new lift out of all the new VR lifts in the last 3-5 years. Really opens up the mountain and the bowl has so much space that even the 6-pack can't make the area seem busy.
Long greens are legit for people who pick up on sports quickly, but literal uncoordinated newbies will get wrecked on schoolmarm. I’m an intermediate skier and absolutely love schoolmarm and never ending smooth runs, on days when keystone isn’t busy schoolmarm can be a blast to cruise down and warm up!
Schoolmarm on weekdays is an entirely different world than when it's busy, that's for sure.
Compared to most runs in West Virginia, Schoolmarm would be a blue - but that also seems to be a theme at Keystone. My sister can handle WV blacks and she considers the blues at Keystone pretty hard (but still fun). Couple that with the fact that Schoolmarm is 3.5 miles at high elevation - that isn't a novice run for sure. However, I can see how it can be an excellent run for an in-shape advanced-beginner/intermediate skier.
Ski'd Keystone last Sunday. Berg Bowl was SWAMPED with intermediates lapping it all day. The outback was an entire ghost town, I ski'd tree runs straight to the lift, and it was New Years. They also had the hike-to terrain open on that side as well. While at first I was upset that the Berg tranquility was ruined, it may actually be a blessing in disguise for the outback side.
The novelty will wear off at some point. Not sure what'll happen when it does, but for now, it can be a bit of a blessing.
Outback is the best thing about Keystone.
Keystone will always hold a special place in my heart. Technically Breck was first time but I was maybe 5 or 6. Keystone is where I first really learned, and then learned bumps, and then learned trees. And I remember both North Peak and Outback opening. Everything in this video is 100% true. But I’ll always love the place regardless. (Granted I love all my I-70 resorts)
Definitely appreciate a good hater’s guide lol. Keystone will always be my home mountain. I like it more than Steamboat so far, but you have to know the secrets of Keystone to love it. Keystone has tiger run, some of the best trees around, in bounds cliffs, the pond jumps, Tom’s rocks, the ice flow, and they use to have one of the best parks in the country. I’m loving getting back into skiing, but I definitely miss Keystone.
Im telling you the blues like paymaster and blacks like frechman off of schoolmarm are where its at. First tracks especially.
To each his own
I work at Keystone, and this is a great video, but I will say at 4:00 that you can use the Outback Gondola (OBG) to get to North Peak rather than just Mozart/Santiago for the beginner crowd. We have a great crew this year (and I have nothing to gain by saying that) so I hope when you come it's a good time, man.
Always love the staff at Keystone. Thank y'all for being so awesome!
A-Basin will always be number 1 ski area for me. The crowd at Keystone is what really pushed me to ski black and double black runs… I am scared of idiots vs the sharks in the snow
Right there with you!
@@SRGSkiing schoolmarm becomes a practice chute run with how much you have to straight line through the crowd
I've only had nice experiences at Keystone. That said, I usually arrive around 2pm for some twilight skiing. Really excited for Bergman Bowl. Plenty of hike-to left at Keystone for those fans of low-angle alpine.
I'm very disappointed that they shortened night skiing this year. Maybe shoulda put that in the video.
Mozart is surely the most hated run in Summit County, maybe in all of Colorado. And Schoolmarm sees more accidents than I-70. But you missed the biggest problem with Keystone; it's practically in a snow dessert. Quite remarkable how much less snow it gets than all the very nearby ski areas.
It's that lower elevation, but I've found that the lesser snow generally doesn't affect it as much as one might think.
that dude at 1:17 frickin yard saled it!!! dang!
Rant about Mozart is completely valid. It’s an icy mess within an hour of opening and the lift lines can be deadly
Wish I could get the 3 minutes I wasted on this video back.
Shouldn't have watched 3 minutes of it my guy
Beginner's perspective on Keystone:
Nothing better embodies the "white ribbon of death" than early season skiing at Keystone. Heck, I lapped the heck out of Endeavor and Scout - great novice skiing even if very, very short and served by a fixed double - but it is the only place I felt reasonably safe skiing with my kids. The main benefit think I like about Keystone is that it is slightly cheaper to learn to ski than other Vail-owned resorts - so a good place for refresher lessons - especially on an Epic pass. They also have decent pricing for early season lodging - if you don't mind a short walk at Mountain House. However, the moment Breck was open, I was standing in line with half of Colorado. For mid-week skiing in which I get a room for the night - I much prefer Beaver Creek (thanks for the recommendation!) - it is a beginner's paradise. Unless you have no other choices, Keystone really isn't a good mountain for beginners. The only reason I would consider Keystone a "family" resort is for all the non-skiing activities - like the epic tubing hill, ice skating, and sleigh rides. The best part of Schoolmarm is the view from the top, beyond that, it is a hard, long green - basically most of it would be considered a blue at east-coast or mid-west resorts. I _much_ prefer Cinch at BC - even with the cat-walk sections - for a top-to-bottom experience.
I know what the "Mozart" run of California is. It is the run "Drifter" on the back of Northstar. It is one of 3 blue runs on Northstar's backside, and it is the only run accessible by the Tahoe Zephyr Express. Then, in the morning, everyone takes Zephyr Express to get to the backside to escape the frontside morning crowds. This makes Drifter the only run for them, so it gets hella busy. At noon it has small moguls despite Northstar's excellent grooming. I just can't explain how insane this run gets. Also, if Promised Land Express isn't running, good luck with Backside Express lines. Once it took so long, somebody started selling FOOD back there. FOOD! Also, you need to take Promised Land or Backside to get to the base from the backside.
One other thing; have you ever seen adequate snow coverage on Last Hoot? I haven't. The steeper section is always full of rocks. If they can cover Lower Go Devil, they should be able to cover Last Hoot.
I have, but only last year because it was a really good snow year.
Ooh where did you get the statistic that blue groomers see the most injuries?
That's from some discussions with people in the industry. I don't have facts for that one
Here's a good Unofficial Networks article that talks about deaths, not injuries, but it's close enough: unofficialnetworks.com/2022/10/18/most-dangerous-skiing/
One of the best reasons to ski mogul runs; no one is going to hit you going 50 MPH.
Yeah, I love doing moguls, but for a lot of people, it's just not their cup of tea
One of my favorite mountains! Tons of blue trails.
I prefer Beaver Creek for blues tbh 🤷
this may be a haters video but to me its hype. I'm ready to people dodge. Schoolmarm should be a blue run this is the most greenless mountain ive ever seen
That's a very interesting opinion because I've heard many people say that Keystone is too mild and is only good for beginners.
Nerd’s guide to Keystone.
C'est completement moi mdr 🤓
Hahahaha! I was there over 20 years ago and most of what you say was even true then! I lived right across the road, I could actually walk across and get on a lift, but I don’t think I did a single full day there in the 2 months I was there cause pretty much everywhere else was always better. It was good for a couple of hours of night turns after work, but that was about it.
Oh don't worry, Vail's slowly getting rid of the night skiing 😂😭
@@SRGSkiing so all the good lifts, quiet runs and other good things like night skiing are disappearing? Good to know, I won’t rush back. 🤣
Exactly right 😭😭
Don't post a hate video based on literal lies, not cool dude.
I've fully admitted that it's not all true (read the description), and I will also admit that this is not because I truly hate Keystone, but just to make an entertaining video. It's a part of a series I've got, and I appreciate you watching!
I’m pretty sure Keystone has a lower season total right now than Stowe
Not surprising. Stowe averages more annual snowfall than Keystone.
Yeah that Mansfield upslope makes it a bit unique compared to its east coast counterparts
and Stowe gets multiple rain and freeze/thaw events that destroy the snowpack that Keystone does not experience- for Snow quality it is no contest Keystone crushes Stowe
@@seanray1016 that 100% is correct but I originally commented that to highlight how little snow the Colorado mountains had for the time. Temperatures drop below freezing consistently and therefore snows more around Summit County earlier than it does out East, so the fact that they had less snow than the East was frightening
This dude is so lame 😂
Ikrrrr 😂😂
Haha maybe stop goin on weekends it’s so busy
You really tryin to bash on pot heads I would rather have them up there than all the drunks on the mtn so many drunks at this mtn you right there Loveland is better
What a downer, shape up, get some cardio and man up. Cringe 😬 bro.
Not sure what shaping up, getting cardio, and manning up has to do with this. But fyi, I was indeed a varsity football team captain
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Well played
Love me some Mozart! 😅
Cringe post
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hahaha you're welcome @@SRGSkiing