Testing the ObXidian nozzle and new E3D Revo developments
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 พ.ค. 2024
- I previously tested the E3D Revo hot end system on a high speed SecKit SK-Tank coreXY 3D printer, and was pleasantly surprised by the performance. The system offers convenient, tool-less swapping of nozzles, so it works best in my opinion when multiple printers have the system and can share components. In this video, I fit a Bigtreetech H2 V2S Revo to my Ender 3, a Revo Micro to a Prusa Mini, and test the new abrasion resistant ObXidian nozzles from E3D.
These Revo products were provided free of charge by E3D for the purposes of review, in accordance with my review policy. All opinions expressed are my own. teachingtechyt.github.io/revi...
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Pre-order the Revo ObXidian: e3d-online.com/products/revo-...
0:00 Introduction
Original Revo test on SK-Tank coreXY: • E3D Revo practical rev...
1:14 BTT H2 V2S Revo specs and differences
Original BTT H2 with XChange video: • The fantastic* BIQU H2...
3:04 H2 V2S Revo installation and printing
Fan duct and adaptor I was using: www.thingiverse.com/thing:474...
Fan adaptor I am now using: www.thingiverse.com/thing:468...
OmniaDrop extruder video: • OmniaDrop V2.1 extrude...
Power Test and Kraken video: • Tuning the strength of...
5:04 Revo Micro to Prusa Mini 3D printed adaptor
Prusa Mini Revo Micro adaptor: www.printables.com/model/1510...
5:54 Revo Micro to Mini installation and printing
Revo Micro Mini instructions: e3d-online.zendesk.com/hc/en-...
Rook model: www.thingiverse.com/thing:99028
9:32 Revo ObXidian nozzles
E3D ObXidian article: e3d-online.com/blogs/news/rev...
10:30 Revo brass vs ObXidian testing
Rotating Rings toy: www.printables.com/model/7876...
Teaching Tech speed and flow rate test: teachingtechyt.github.io/cali...
13:00 Conclusion
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Thanks for the great comparison. The Revo ObXidian seems a really good addition!
Some people were just born to teach. Michael, each and every time I walk away more knowledgeable from your work. Thank you!
I have been tinkering with my E3V2 again after not touching it for a while, and decided to finally make the switch to DD. Came across this vid while researching some extruders, and I'm glad I did, because I've been struggling with what direction to go, and whether to change my hotend as well, and now I've decided to jump in with both feet and order up the H2 Revo. Seems like it ticks all the boxes for what I want!
I really appreciate the way you conduct all of your reviews and vids. Tons of info, and transparency. You just saved me from going down a rabbit hole of spending too much on multiple different setups to tinker with to try and find the right one.
Another great video. I am currently in the process of getting REVO set up on my CR-10V2. I'm excited about trying the obxidian nozzles. Might have to ask for one for Christmas.
My Revo just arrived today and I'm super excited to get an ObXidian nozzle. Leaks and buildup on my current nozzles are what motivated me to go with Revo. If the ObXidian works like brass and picks up even less filament, then I'll be in heaven.
Pretty impressive indeed!
Thanks, Michael!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I've been using the Revo for months to print a lot of stuff, including a bunch of Gridfinity boxes, and it's been completely drama free. Been swapping between sizes, and just pre-ordered ObXidian as well so I can run abrasives and anything else I want through. It's a great system that makes nozzle changes sane. Having to muck around with tools and with the nozzle at temp is stone age stuff, and this also eliminates the possibility of leaks at the heat break. Currently just running on a MK3, but any printer I get in the future needs to be Revo compatible.
Perfect timing. I just ordered the H2 variant.
Been running a Revo on my Mk3S+ for a few moths now and i love it, i went from never changing nozzles to switching out all the the time now depending on what i am printing. Been waiting on the new ObXidian nozzles so i can try printing with some new filaments, as it is so quick i can see me still using my brass ones for everyday pla prints and then switching them out when i print with anything abrasive.
I have used the Revo on a Mk3S for the last week, approx 150 hours of print time, and I am extremely happy with it so far. I have just pre-ordered the ObXidian nozzle, as like Michael I also want to fit and forget my nozzle regardless of the filament I am using. After replacing my V6 nozzles about every 6 weeks or so (my printer is almost constantly on the go), hopefully these will last a bit longer than the nozzle X from E3D.
I'm gonna wait for all the preorders to go through so that those who ordered can work through any potential QC and then order one from an American reseller so I don't have to wait 5 months for mine to come in
keep in mind that if you're ordering from a reseller that they would have ordered that stock from e3d far in advance, so even though you wait for a first batch of direct e3d orders to happen you might be purchasing an nozzle from the exact same production batch from the local reseller
Good for you .. ?
I just got a Biqu H2 and just after it arrived I saw the revo version, I would have probably gone for that as it wasn’t that much more expensive. I probably will look for a revo system for my other printer in the future, it seems a pretty cool concept.
Great video as alway sir 👍🇦🇺😊
I've had a Hemera XS Revo for a few weeks now. I love it so far, about to pre-order the Obxidian as well. I've been getting into glow filaments (Sainsmart PETG & TPU), and while they print quite well quality wise, I can feel the grit on the filament and feel confident it's going to destroy the brass rather rapidly.
i just ordered the BIQU H2 V2S REVO looking forward to it! i felt it had better features than E3D's own model, especially that its smaller and it has more mounting options. im looking forward to taking it apart as soon as i get it
I have the h2 Revo and love it. Results have been on par or better then my ddx v3 I had on the machine before. While more money, I like the easy of taking out the nozzle for clogs which I did cause from my z being too low. Obsidian nozzle is not on my radar at this time, however as I can leave it in for pla or abrasive materials I may look into it.
Revos a game changer for me! 👍
I've been through a few editions of the revo beta nozzles and until yesterday was sticking with the original beta which was just the heater core as I was using a standard hardened steel nozzle to print Prusament CF PC. Decided to switch over to the final beta (basically the revo micro with two nozzles without the coloured rings) in preparation for the Obsidian coming whenever they sort out their production issues and just run it on regular Prusament PC and standard filaments in the meantime.
I switched to a Revo Voron just last week on my Voron V0.1, I previously had a Phaetus Dragon and when changing nozzles it would twist the whole hotend slightly and touch the hotend fan. The Revo Voron form factor makes a lot of sense on a small machine. Only have a 0.4mm nozzle currently but will be looking to get at least a 0.25 and 0.6. The Dragon in my 2.4 is still easy enough to change nozzles.
I just found out about these last night... nice. 🙂
This REVO system is awesome I have two printer already with them and I order a Prusa mini + that I goi g to upgrade too.
I've been mostly happy with the revo but flow has been the limiting factor. I'm glad they finally have abrasives covered, but I would love to have a revo volcano option. I would happily buy a new heater and nozzles if high flow was an option, because I love the integrated heatbreak and toolless nozzle changes.
The revo as is is also a tough sell financially when similar hotends like the Rapido can get more flow with more nozzle options and still have one handed (but not toolless) nozzle changes.
I converted my anycubic Vyper first to E3D V6 volcano with a hardened steel nozzle which was a great swap for the original fake PTFE lined volcano hotend that came on the machine. With a redesign of the hotend assembely to accomedate the longer legnth of the new V6 volcano mounting to the machines strain guage. I then made the jump to the REVO 6 about a month ago and im very happy with the swap, even though it ended up as another redesign of the hotend mounting assembely to work with the anycubic Vyper strain guage mounting system. This really hinders hotend choice as mounting requires 2 vertical mounting screws through the top of the strain guage into the hotend which is not ideal with the REVO V6 but was solved within our vyper facebook community. The only problem I had was not being able to swap out to use hardened nozzles to print abrasive fillaments, I missed the ability to use all my fillamens, bur now have ordered the 0.4 & 0.6 obXidian nozzles. Now its sitting and waiting for the mid november deilvery date to roll round.
I've had a Revo 6 installed on my Ender 3 for a few months. Print quality has been good, in general. Looking forward to the Obxidian nozzles so I can go back to carbon fiber once in a while.
Nice MCM top 👌
I have a version 1 H2 and will likely upgrade to a Revo H2 at some point in the future after my V1 wears out. I'm curious if they're planning on introducing the Bondtech CHT style nozzles for the Revo form factor.
Very interesting, thanks for the review. Since you have both, how would you say the H2 compares to the V6+BMG version? I'm considering the upgrade and have a BMG extruder, but I'm not sure because e.g. the H2 seems very limited regarding fan ducts.
I have the V2S but I steel need to install it but still wait for some upgrade parts would be interesting to see how well it can print flexible filament since the previous H2 had limitations on this regard
prints TPU great just stay low like 40-50mms. I have the V2S Revo on my Ender 6 and it is a beast!
The cost & lack of revo nozzel availability has made my NG micro Swiss revo a bitter sweet purchase, if these cost of nozzels and lack of availability continues and the lack of the industry to copy or sell alternatives continue, it deserves to die out no matter how good,
Happy they have a harden nozzle now. Still unsure if I want to make the switch though.
If they ever have a generic threaded that I can install my own nozzles, I would immediately sign up for the prerelease
there is, it's called a V6
Sir please angel grinder to vacuum cleaner 3d print project idea video... honestly you are the 👍👍👍
My biqu revo arrived 2 weeks ago and it’s been ok so far but I’ve been having some issues with my firmware so I haven’t given it a full test also the clicking on other v2 models is still not fixed
3:35 woah! What is that color LCD mod for the i3? Is there a video about it that I missed?
Is there any news on the high flow version of the Revo?
Can you do a voron 2.4 r2 build and use the revo?
I like the Revo system so far, but it wasn't the smoothest upgrade. First, the latest Prusa Mk3 firmware 3.12.2 doesn't work with the Revo. It fails during the PID calibration. This is a known issue, but it took digging through Prusa forums to figure out why PID cal kept failing. I ended up doing a complete xyz re-cal on my Mk3S after upgrading to the Revo as well. I didn't realize that was going to wipe all my existing z offsets for my different plates, so I had a really challenging time getting everything dialed back in. I read on the Prusa website that the first layer calibration routine does not work with the Revo. I can confirm I had terrible results, every first layer calibration look very under extruded, so I thought it was interesting to see you had good luck with it on your mini.
LOVE THE MCM SHIRT! Lol ;)
Have 3 v0.1’s running E3D revo vorons no complaints
I'd like to look at upgrading my hotend on my Kywoo Max. But my eyes glaze over when it comes making wiring and firmware changes.
I have not yet used the revo, i was waiting for the obxidian, rather than change later, i figured i could just get everything at once. I did not expect it to take that much time however.
Also, now that i have seen tom's video on 0.6 nozzles + arachnea, i wonder if i need a revo alltogether... perhaps just a V6 obxidian nozzle will suffice.
If you're going to stay v6, might as well get the diamond nozzle
@@urjnlegend diamond nozzle is 100$...
@@AudreyRobinel yeah, but you won't have to change it again, and it prints like brass
@@urjnlegend obxidian is supposed to have comparable durability, according to e3d, for less than a third of the price.
I didn't buy the ruby nozzle back then for the same reason as the diamond one : way too expensive for marginal gain.
You say i won't have to change it again. And what if i do? what if something gets jammed into the nozzle and i can't remove it?
What if i realize that i want 0.6?
If no other solution existed, i may consider it. But other solutions exist. And way cheaper.
Question? Can you do a video on making a surface model thicker? I have a car model file ( .stl ) I bought from online and it is full size and it is a surface not a solid. I have issues making each part thicker. As I scale down to 1/3 scale I have to make it .120 inch thick so it will print ( can't print a surface ) or .360 thick before it is scaled down. Is there an easy way to do it and what software would you use?
9:09 Newer Original Prusa Mini firmware will now allow the PID settings to be saved to EEPROM.
It does not. Per Prusa: Due to the support of custom extruders, we received requests from the community to enable Marlin PID in the firmware. We have performed multiple tests using different materials to verify the “Prusa” thermal regulation works correctly on both stock and custom extruders. The results below show clearly that the current algorithm (a feed-forward driving + PID tuning of the steady state) is capable of correct thermal regulation in all tested scenarios including the sudden start of a cooling fan.
A little frustrating, I already have hardened steel V6 nozzles in 0.4 & 0.6 on two printers, my mini is still stock + bondtech & capricorn, it would benefit from klipper more than a revo, the power plug is all that is holding me back on that one.
I wanted to print a small text stamp, using a 0.2mm nozzle.
So I purchased a nozzle set from Amazon, that are exactly the same size & length as the stock nozzle that came with my Ender 5.
When I put it in, the Amazon nozzle hung lower on my Heatblock. The stock Creality nozzle seems to have no threads near the heaterblock end, and must somehow nessle into the heatbreak; because it fits in deeper..
Resetting the BL Touch to allow for that was not a problem, but I worried about not having the 'hand in glove' fit to the Heatbreak that the original Creality part must have.
My Amazon 'butt faced nozzle' started leaking only after a few prints; and I know I tightened it properly. I need a source for a 0.2mm nozzle.
Where can I find tappered nozzles that have the best fit to the Ender products? I was considering upgrading to a 'Slicer' heatbreak, but pictures seen to show that it too has a tappered input end for nozzles to interface; so flat faced Amazon nozzles must not fit the best.
I'd love to hear your opinion on this concern.
Hello what slicer you use at 5:25? thanks
Using revo voron and just waiting for high flow.
Sadly it doesn't support the creality 6 se 3d printer yet... Unless it's been updated please correct me if I am wrong
You likely don't need to manually set the PID values on the Prusa Mini. The Mini firmware is quite a bit smarter with temperature management than plain Marlin. Just test it and see.
7:20 You could have just used the PTFE cutter sitting on the table. ;-)
Will this new Biqu/Revo Obxidian DD Micro fit straight to the Ender 5 plus without FW adjustment?
Pretty sure that’s a no, due to the different temperature sensor.
You can get good modified firmware for the Ender 5 Plus, so perhaps there is a variant that would work?
💕👌👍
IS there a G-code command to change the thermistor type?
Normally no. It must be compiled at firmware. However, if you compile with thermistor option 1000 in Marlin you can use the M305 gcode to change the parameters on the fly: marlinfw.org/docs/gcode/M305.html
so i'm a complete noob to 3d printing, and i'm not clear on how i would add the Obxidian nozzle to my printer.
it looks super long compared to other nozzles you can buy... do you also have to buy their whole Revo thing in order to install their nozzle?
Can you do a video on true tungsten carbide nozzles? Not enough people are talking about it. Almost as had as the ruby tip yet offers the same thermal conductivity as brass. It's better than the obXidian no?
Why is weight reduction significant?
Pretty much higher theoretical print speeds and less yerk from the belts.
It's primarily important for CoreXY machines that move fast. They can move fast because they only need to move the extruder and hot end around, and the lighter everything is, the faster they can throw that stuff around.
Less mass = Less inertia = Less energy spent when changing directions
From the pov of a mini owner, I want a hotend that's light as possible because less weight on the X axis means less fiddling with replacing the linear rails. Also, print speed like others here are saying.
Wait. One brass nozzle costs 18.25p and the new one costs 40p.
Lokking at the advertisement on their website, it seems like the new noozle should last waaay longer than the brass one while having no downsides except being twice as expensive. So always buy a obsidian?
If E3D's claims are to be believed and you dont mind paying more, yes.
Main thing is that you prolly dont need the abrasion resistance on regular printing and brass will do just fine.
Even if you sometimes print with CF or the likes, you'll prolly want just one obXidian and one or handful of brass ones
Double the price is p steep for most people
@@rmanami That is REALLY good advice. The benefit of the swappable nozzles means any time you don't need the ObXidian, just swap back to brass. The ObXidian will last forever for most hobbyists.
I really like Revo. But the nozzle prices, especially hardened ones, are absolutely no-go. It's the price of tungsten nozzle :-(.
Hi Michael, what LCD and Motherboard have you fitted to the prusa at th-cam.com/video/4X1F-dLVT3g/w-d-xo.html
The closed nature and exponentially higher costs while lacking a decent amount of functionality (high flow nozzles as an example) means that revo, at least in it's current state, will never make it into one of my systems
the H2 v2s Revo might be good but my problem is with "BIQU the company" if you have no problems then ok a the product might be good but that's half the part of a good company since customer support is the worst I ever had replies ar 5-10 days and negative revues or when you question them publicly they simply jut delete your review and post on their sites good way to build trust but since I don't know how many they deleted before who criticized them but if this is the policy then I will stick to different brands
Hi! Sorry for the inconvenience. Sometimes we might not respond to you guys immediately because there are so many messages pouring into here at the same time. Could you please contact us via BIQU Facebook homepage? (facebook.com/BIQU3DPrinter) We would be glad to help you solve the problems.
ObXiDian? Is this a Xi Jinping reference? Reminds me of the Kabo “Wolf Warrior.”
A test of the durability is sorely lacking from this "test". This seems way too much like an advertisement rather than a real test.
Well, as an old reprapper, I'm not amazed by the Revo system fore some reasons. First, Nozzles are wearing parts and expensive nozzles are not a good idea. There's not much perks to switch nozzles that often. Generally, every printer have its matching nozzle : 0.4 for general purpose, 0.6mm for production and, like on your Mini, 0.2mm nozzle for high detail FDM prints. Even if you own a single printer, I'm not sure you'll swich nozzles frequently. Maybe the first weeks to play or test differencies, but after a while, you'll stick to a fixed diameter, and forget it. IMHO the average guy will change a nozzle only when it get old, so maybe a couple of times per year, and the old style procedure with tools is no big deal, as it takes less than a minute. On the other hand, more than 20€ per nozzle is unnecessarily expensive. I noticed the hardened nozzles do not last much longer as there's several reasons for replacement : nozzle shape (abrasion, and mostly deformation because of the heat/cooling cycles) and charred filament residue. As a print farm tender with a lot of nozzles change, it's a no go, despite the piece of time saved. Another inconvenient truth is the all in one heat core: there's some frequent complains online about failing heatblocks, thermistor or heater. Once again, you have to change the whole expensive thing spending much time than for a single thermistor or cartridge. Last but not least, the V6/Hemera already printed perfect and did not leak, so...
IMHO, the Revo is disavantaged by its overall maintenance cost and the claimed perks are questionnable. The Micro is the real improvement, except the Revo system. A micro V6 would put my money out of my pocket, but not the Revo thing. I will keep on buying V6 or so.