How We Went From Justice League To Zack Snyder's Justice League | Essay

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  • @miratunatar
    @miratunatar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    My father believed that if the world found out who I really was, they'd reject me out of fear. He was convinced that the world wasn't ready. What do you think?
    ~ Superman, Man of Steel (2013).

    • @fightingforrest1073
      @fightingforrest1073 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      The fans have always been ready for Zack

    • @nethaendafendr
      @nethaendafendr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      “What’s the S stand for?”
      “It’s not an S. In my fandom, it means Snyder cut.”

  • @IsraelNowIsraelForever
    @IsraelNowIsraelForever 3 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    It is a good thing the studio did not interfere with Nolan's vision for The Dark Knight trilogy.

    • @nikhiljoseph3672
      @nikhiljoseph3672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      The Dark Knight Trilogy and the Sam Raimi Spiderman trilogy didn't suffer from studio exec demands because they finished (spiderman case) or were concluding (Nolan's bat) around the time Marvel's let's get cringey comedy to lighten any scene that actually requires acting or character development type generic formula based CBM hysteria took over. Once the critics saw that, anything that didn't fit into that mould was criticized and studios panicked.
      One of the reviews for Hemsworths latest action movie extraction, actually stated they wasted "Hemsworths comedic potential". Another review for tenet had the audacity to say it was a "humourless disappointment" they make it sound like Nolan was the king of comedy prior to tenet. It is this unhealthy power that useless critics like these ones wield to influence the audience's perception that causes the studios to interfere too much these days. Anyways Zack will one day get the recognition he deserves.

    • @aizazrasool5074
      @aizazrasool5074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@nikhiljoseph3672 But SP3 was fucked. Avi Arad.

    • @sergeyhayriyan4125
      @sergeyhayriyan4125 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's because Nolan already made good films and he was already a well-known. But if you look at the Batman Begins, it actually has 3 villains. Scarecrow, Falcone (the mob) and Ra's al Gur which can talk about studio wanting to sell more toys, but Nolan managed to write a ORIGIN story and put those 4 villains in it perfectly. He did what spiderman 3 failed to do (also having 3 villains).

    • @sergeyhayriyan4125
      @sergeyhayriyan4125 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @alexander soelaiman Raimi could learn some lessons from Batman begins on how to put 3 villains in movie, which will not only be interesting, but also will very much reveal the main theme of the movie. I didn't say the movie was bad (It's my fav spidey movie too). But it could be better. There is no RIGHT way to structure the movie but there are some principles that 99 times out of 100 will improve the movie.

    • @dreamingofnaomi
      @dreamingofnaomi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fr

  • @Aisonic95
    @Aisonic95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +502

    It's funny that the trailer for Zack Snyder's Justice League already has a "hopeful and optimism" feeling with Batfleck's line in the end..while Josstice League barely feels "hopeful and optimism" with cheesy and forced jokes

    • @MarkFilipAnthony
      @MarkFilipAnthony 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He was forced to make it "hopefull and optimistic" from WB

    • @HelloThere-yy6lu
      @HelloThere-yy6lu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @markflipanthony but the snyder cut is uncompromised, snyder has full control.

    • @MarkFilipAnthony
      @MarkFilipAnthony 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@HelloThere-yy6lu exactly

    • @Dolwerflamingo
      @Dolwerflamingo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      WhAt iS bRuNcH¿

    • @ChiragParmar76
      @ChiragParmar76 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Completely agree! Lot better than the theatrical version. It feels hopeful and doesn't feel forced. Hope this movie shatters all the records on streaming service and we get the original justice league trilogy planned by Zack Snyder before all the changes he had to do after Batman V Superman released. Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/uW3ZXkJHv8Y/w-d-xo.html

  • @TorsionTestis
    @TorsionTestis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +356

    "i am also a big fan of justice" - still makes me cringe to this day

    • @lonewolfgamingplus379
      @lonewolfgamingplus379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      The bad ADR hurts my ears, especially that Cyborg line of feeling his toes..

    • @rinneganmastery3035
      @rinneganmastery3035 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      loll

    • @user-my4lf4bx6v
      @user-my4lf4bx6v 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I swear,this felt like they took this out of a golden age comic....
      Like,wtf,is cringey

    • @stygames5450
      @stygames5450 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lonewolfgamingplus379 ADR? Sorry; I’ve never heard that before, so I don’t know what it abbreviates to.

    • @reksfoleur859
      @reksfoleur859 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      HAhahaha I facepalmed at the theatre back then

  • @1theprince1
    @1theprince1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +262

    Batmans intro in JL2017 is hilarious as shit. They tried to copy Zacks style and failed miserably.

    • @peterdavies4166
      @peterdavies4166 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      didnt hate that batman scene but yeah deff not as good as the warehouse stuff etc, not shot as well, also parademons just there not introduced till later on was weird. We dont ever really get the whole they people turned into parademons which is shame ,

    • @ok-ql5oc
      @ok-ql5oc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      They tried to make him feel like a marvel character soo hard

    • @anzzy
      @anzzy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It shows. Snyder makes long shots most of the time, showing action in full detail. Whedon chopped his parts into a salad.

    • @moretwocome21
      @moretwocome21 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree! I initially thought Zach did that scene but later realized he did not!😂

    • @MaxViciousWorldOfArt
      @MaxViciousWorldOfArt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@moretwocome21 the only scene of what zack did that was left untouched in josstice league was when the heroes exit the big plane which is that one showing flash, cyborg, batman, wonder woman and aquaman walking when the door open up

  • @dariuswatkins607
    @dariuswatkins607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +421

    All the haters who say why are they releasing this movie, need to watch this! Amazing. Thank you so much for the research.

    • @ac5849
      @ac5849 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Christian Banuelos in the comics Darkseid comes to earth and that is what causes the league to form so the movies are actually having more build up then the actual comics also marvel builds up to there big bad but it took way too long I mean seriously why should it take 22 movies to build up to endgame when endgame only really references like 6 movies

    • @ac5849
      @ac5849 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Christian Banuelos are you seriously saying that dc is copying thanos with Darkseid, Darkseid was introduced years before thanos was in the comics and the creator of thanos has admitted that he was inspired by Darkseid, also Darkseid isn’t the main villain of justice league stepenwolf is Darkseid was supposed to be the villain in justice league 2 and 3 and by that time dc would have had around 10 movies so the universe would have been fleshed out enough for them to have there big bad

    • @clownindan
      @clownindan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ac5849 dc is still way behind marvel when it comes to good movies. I'm skeptical if this movie can even compare to the worst avengers movies

    • @ac5849
      @ac5849 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@clownindan it’s possible that it will be bad, but according to early reactions even the people that dislike it are saying that it is epic and one of the better dceu movies, but we’ll just have to wait and see when it comes out to see how good it is.

    • @dorito_dog
      @dorito_dog 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@clownindan have you even seen the Christopher Nolan trilogy?

  • @awsome_power
    @awsome_power 3 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Bvs was the greatest expansion of a cinematic universe ever.batmsns perspective during the events of man of steel being shown was amazing , wonderwoman was the greatest introduction of any supehero to a cinematic universe ever, and then when they showed auqoman flash and cyborgs videos on the computer, amazing.

    • @benakinnusi2518
      @benakinnusi2518 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Exactly shit was so fire

    • @jonahdell1708
      @jonahdell1708 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the flash cyborg aquaman scene is the worst scene in BvS

    • @motown1970
      @motown1970 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Please give me some of whatever you’re smoking.

    • @manansingh4729
      @manansingh4729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@motown1970 He smokes intelligence, just like me. Want some?

  • @dignerds
    @dignerds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +252

    It's unfortunate that you didn't mention that WB had a half hour chopped out of BVS...They put out a butchered product

    • @HelloThere-yy6lu
      @HelloThere-yy6lu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Thankfully we have his full version of the movie, the ultimate edition.

    • @JonArrynGarza
      @JonArrynGarza  3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      I wanted to focus mainly on JL ONLY bc Zack said he’s happy with the UE of BvS, even though they fucked I’m on that as well lol

    • @CAPEDCRUSADER3900
      @CAPEDCRUSADER3900 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@JonArrynGarza I have one question since you did this research, I know Zack planned a 4 to 5 hour film with Justice League, but recently I also remember reading somewhere that he also wanted BvS to be 4 hours long too, with it being split into 2 films I don't know for sure if this is true or not, I just wanted to see if you knew anything about this considering all the research you did for what happened to Justice League?

    • @MarceloVitacca
      @MarceloVitacca 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Actually I never understand all the problems people have with the Theatrical release of BvS. I understand it, enjoy it, get all the subplots...Anyway of course I love all the things on the ultimate cut that were added they are a plus on an already great movie.

    • @Merdicano
      @Merdicano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@MarceloVitacca For me, I felt it was pretty astonishing how much that half-hour was meaningful to the events of the movie, because while I did understand the theatrical cut of BvS, I felt that lasting half-hour of the EC fleshed out many of those certain points on the story, specially the grand plan of Lex Luthor and the explosion of the capitol in which you can see Superman staying to help the injured. Even the character of Holly Hunter looked like she survived the explosion since she was carried by an ambulance.

  • @nikoslions18
    @nikoslions18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    We fans need to be excited for Zack Snyder’s Justice League! Snyder is a great guy! We will help him finish his Superman story arc: Man of Steel, Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice (Ultimate Edition), and HIS Justice League trilogy!!

    • @aizazrasool5074
      @aizazrasool5074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup. Take off WB. And give it to A24 or Paramount.

    • @aizazrasool5074
      @aizazrasool5074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Justice League originally kickstarter IW

  • @afterhoursmedia459
    @afterhoursmedia459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +317

    Wow. I didn't know John's rewrote the Third Act of Wonder Woman. To me, the Third Act was the worst part of the film and felt so unconnected. It all makes sense now...

    • @ravenstagrampage163
      @ravenstagrampage163 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      This makes so much sense now. I feel the same way about the ending of Wonder Women. It just seems so childish and plain. I mean the whole story can be improved, But the last part is probably the worst of it.

    • @uchrisdaley
      @uchrisdaley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      What would've happened originally?

    • @uchrisdaley
      @uchrisdaley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @alexander soelaiman that would've been interesting! Also would be good to have a god around for future films

    • @uchrisdaley
      @uchrisdaley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @alexander soelaiman man that's sucks, I'm happy all the abuse is coming to public eyes now tho

    • @alwaysxnever
      @alwaysxnever 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @alexander soelaiman if true that is interesting. I would have preferred Aries not to die to be a threat later.

  • @jammygamer8961
    @jammygamer8961 3 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    Zack Snyder fully understands the characters he is working with its just that people don't understand Zack Snyder. But to a lot of haters this is the other way round.

    • @chiranjeevsaikia560
      @chiranjeevsaikia560 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Christian Banuelos manchild+hater spotted

    • @stygames5450
      @stygames5450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Even though Zack’s version of Superman and Lex are vastly different to their original selves from the comics and/or other forms of DC media they are in, I’m rooting for him to make something truly special overall.

    • @Dilapidated_Dilo
      @Dilapidated_Dilo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stygames5450 I mean the multiverse exists these don't need to be perfect copies of the originals

    • @hello-gx6oi
      @hello-gx6oi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@stygames5450 I really like how zack is giving challenge to the heroes
      Like the time Superman was forced to kill zod
      Or Batman has been in 20 years of not killing
      Yet it did not work

  • @DigigodGamer
    @DigigodGamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    getting superman house in order such a powerful statement. love this man

  • @aadan3518
    @aadan3518 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I'll stand by Snyder's side forever, he did so much to give us the movie that we deserve as DC fans

  • @juanm.3840
    @juanm.3840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Fun fact:The Parody of Justice League came out before THE ORIGINAL JUSTICE LEAGUE
    NOW.THAT.IS.HISTORY.

  • @melvinfrooks
    @melvinfrooks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    This is why My hatred for Geoff Johns is like Doomguy's hatred for Demons. Unyielding an incorruptible, he should have stayed his ass out of the movie studio and just write comics.

  • @baabaraskary
    @baabaraskary 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Once the snyder cut is out can you try and get Zack to do a live watch of the theatrical cut? Hahaha the reactions would be gold

    • @P.Whitestrake
      @P.Whitestrake 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I think he's gonna be very upset & sad.

    • @puichiung2959
      @puichiung2959 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I think that would be too much a bad reminder for Zack.

    • @HelloThere-yy6lu
      @HelloThere-yy6lu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He would laugh at how inferior it is to his version.

    • @lukeshioshio
      @lukeshioshio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I bet he’s never going to watch. I wouldn’t. It would be like watching someone smear their own feces all over your painting.

    • @michaelbuckelew
      @michaelbuckelew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We should do a fundraiser for suicide prevention and if we can get to whatever level he will agree to do it.

  • @davidjr.tolson6831
    @davidjr.tolson6831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Also, I heard that Zack managed to trim it down even further from 214 (3 hours and 34 minutes) to 140 (2 hours and 20 minutes) before he stepped down. Why the studio was still unhappy with that is anyone's guess. I mean, Man of Steel was 2 hours and 23 minutes. Before that, The Dark Knight Rises was 2 hours and 45 minutes. When you release a superhero movie that's that long, what's 2 hours and 20 minutes really?

    • @nicholas.alan85
      @nicholas.alan85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The thing was... they wanted Snyder OUT. they weren’t going to be happy with even a 45 minute cut.

  • @alexman378
    @alexman378 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Give me a bad director’s film over a committee film any day of the week. I don’t care if it’s good or bad, as long as it’s the true vision.
    I still can’t get over that they used the same particle overlay you find for free on a 300 million dollar movie (23:02). I used that collection for my student film because I was handling everything on my own.

  • @NeoPyre
    @NeoPyre 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Coming from myself, a Marvel and MCU fan, what Geoff Johns did to Zack’s vision is an embarrassment. And say what you will about Kevin Feige, but he would never step on a director’s passion like that. It’s like you said, Johns is the poor man’s Feige. Sure Marvel is happier and more hopeful in tone, and that works. For Marvel. The whole point of DC is being different, unique and separate from Marvel. I’ve always had a love for DC even if I’ve always liked Marvel a bit more. Batman is up there with Spider-Man to me in regards to the best superheroes in history. I’m very much looking forward to Zack’s Justice League as much as I’m looking forward to the MCU’s next movies and their next saga. I love their overarching connection to a big saga finale, but I also absolutely love Zack’s self-contained Superman story that can introduce us to other DC character stories by having them be supporting roles first. It’s different and can definitely work if you keep messy grubby studio hands out of it. Change is good. DC doesn’t have to copy Marvel to compete. They definitely could have, and sure, it may have been good that way too, but being new and different is always better, and more refreshing, so a guy like me, can have Marvel and DC doing their own thing, and loving both equally. From an MCU fan to the DCEU fans here in the comments, I’m glad we’re getting the Snyder Cut, and I’m looking forward to watching it with you all. ❤️💙

  • @jabig1
    @jabig1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    Its now clear Geoff Johns was the problem!!

    • @jespacey
      @jespacey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      always been

    • @KRYMauL
      @KRYMauL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      He’s good at writing comics, but comics and scripts are completely different. Also, I’m pretty sure those quippy lines were suppose to be in dialog boxes and not actually said out loud.

    • @Merdicano
      @Merdicano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@KRYMauL Most definitely. Comics and screenplays have a very different language in adaptation and linework that is so different. Same thing as with books. Books rooted on literature don't have a similar visual language from screenplays for movies. I think the only case that would be a little similar are stage plays, because it's the actors doing the narration and interpretations of their lines and characters, likewise how it's done in movies but without the grand budget

    • @KRYMauL
      @KRYMauL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Merdicano The only time books and movies overlap is in the staging or blocking of a scene.

    • @Merdicano
      @Merdicano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KRYMauL What do you mean about blocking a scene?

  • @mfbriggs5769
    @mfbriggs5769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One of the best break down videos around this subject I've seen. Brilliant.
    Still can't bring myself to watch the Batman 'smile' when Supes comes back.

  • @drakulaompong
    @drakulaompong 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Really wish johns have the balls to said that he ruin dceu.....and together with berg,whedon tsujihara and all those exce get all the justice for the crime that they did in this movie...

    • @Merdicano
      @Merdicano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And Tsujihara really paid heavily for his sins due to karma

    • @Merdicano
      @Merdicano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Christian Banuelos Not, they weren't

    • @Yono_A1533
      @Yono_A1533 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Christian Banuelos 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you liked josstice league? Thats sad

  • @this_is_AK
    @this_is_AK 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Awesome essay, my man !
    1. I think that *My Turn* may stay in Zack's final cut. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong.
    2. Can't wait for 2021. I'm all in for the mini-series, single film and Noir Edition.
    3. Hope we get a season 2 !
    4. For Season 2 to happen, *HBOMax and AT&T needs the bucks !* Tweeting and voicing your demands in social media only won't do the job. *Zack Snyder's JUSTICE LEAGUE needs to be a big success* then those execs at AT&T and WarnerMedia will see the potential for the second season, which will bring the big guns and will entertain the fandom as well.

    • @Deep_Armageddon
      @Deep_Armageddon 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I didn't understand this part of the video. He never said "my turn" in Josstice. He said "sorry guys, but I didn't bring a sword"

  • @QbertoaD
    @QbertoaD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Great breakdown, Garza. Showing a timeline for events and also how the business and financial aspects influenced things, which is something certain parts of the fandom either didn't want to think about or gave no notice to, other than to sh!t on you, Dave, and Colbert. Really glad you all got the opportunity to speak to Zack, kind of the best mic drop for you all and you didn't have to say a word. Keep up the great content!

  • @bro-be3bd
    @bro-be3bd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Imagine if this cut does well enough so it can be displayed as canon.

  • @DigigodGamer
    @DigigodGamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    - The biggest event in cinema history -

  • @osaomoragbon7852
    @osaomoragbon7852 3 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    WB's loss. Netflix is going to eat from Zack Snyder's steak, they gonna be fat as f. They will want more and dude is a creative genius to meet / surpass their needs.
    Imagine having a once in a lifetime visionary like this in your pocket and constantly undermine him. 🤦 just mind boggling.

    • @g2.a6
      @g2.a6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Eh, not that mindboggling. I love MoS and BvS but they are pretty niche for Superhero move standarts. WB just wanted a larger audience.
      Edit: I'm not defending WB or their stupid decisions. I just tried to explain why they could've done it.

    • @yamancerin4200
      @yamancerin4200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@g2.a6 get lost

    • @g2.a6
      @g2.a6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @NGL Boyz No Josstice League is something i wish to remove from my mind. It's absolutely worse than BvS and MoS

    • @g2.a6
      @g2.a6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@yamancerin4200 Why? I'm not defending WB, i just tried to rationalize their stupid decision.
      MoS is one of my favourite origin movies and i love BvS but unfortunately the general audience didn't like them.

    • @ZaneKun33
      @ZaneKun33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      G2. A Fair enough.

  • @dylanthrillmour866
    @dylanthrillmour866 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Snyder is like a shy Nolan, both literally and thematically. Nolan takes his time when talking and gets out what he needs to say, but Snyder stumbles over his words and you get an idea of his point, buts blunt. Same for stories.

  • @sobrev1viente
    @sobrev1viente 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Geoff "Judas" Johns

  • @CS-pg4go
    @CS-pg4go 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the ass shots and Barry landing on Diana were weird as hell... so glad Zack came out with a triumph and respect for the characters.

  • @Merdicano
    @Merdicano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    13:50 Sorry for the many different comments, it's just that your video is really fascinating. Those photos really make me feel bummed that Rick Famuyiwa never got to do The Flash, I don't know how he is as a director, but I remember how much he was sharing his enthusiasm and research on the character to give the movie preparation, and he was really digesting a lot of Flash memorabilia. It's just depressing to go see those photos back again, and realizing how many broken promises WB tried to make.

  • @omaridaniels8427
    @omaridaniels8427 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    11:34- "I don't need signs. I got proof."
    Put that on a T-shirt now, Garza.

  • @ToyMFXproduction
    @ToyMFXproduction 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    All I can say is Zack must've been grateful to have fans that always has his back no matter what.

  • @rachorachev8905
    @rachorachev8905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Both David Ayer and Zack Snyder were casualties of studio greed and studio incompetence.
    It's the Marvel/Disney formula, the constant hiring and firing of talented film makers, because the intention is not making cinema.
    The intention is to sell products.
    Most the MCU movies, up until now are 2 hour trailers for other coming up 2 hour trailers

  • @puniopenetrante
    @puniopenetrante 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Seeing Zack talking about how introduce JS after MoS while in the back sounding Hans Zimmer's Beatiful Lie, man i teared. The dude passed for some serious shit, people bashing him for his work (like it or not but never take that to a personal level) and his family tragedy (there are some sick f*uckers out there who mocked him for that too) but he stood up.

  • @KingKK986
    @KingKK986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    wow....i may not be a fan of Snyder but WB really should've at least let him complete his universe with JL

    • @peterdavies4166
      @peterdavies4166 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      exactly i dont know if it will be amazing or not but i wanna see his vision. They should let directors do there own visions. thats also what dc and comics were built on too. writers coming in and artists and doing there own spins on characters, it why we have a multiverse, it allows people to there different takes, not all will be loved and some like more than others, but it good to have difff takes on characters.

    • @Merdicano
      @Merdicano 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And this has been a known tendency and toxic need that WB has always had, not just with DC

  • @doncorleone4032
    @doncorleone4032 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    If there’s a JL “season 2” or part 2 and they do it in four parts. Do you think they’ll release it as a film after also? Just like how they’re doing it with ZSJL?

    • @JonArrynGarza
      @JonArrynGarza  3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That’s a great question. If they did it in 4 parts, I think so. But if they had a full 10 Episodes, then no.

  • @santwandraws5825
    @santwandraws5825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I've never watched justice league. The clips from the Joss version literally made my eyes tear. Some sorta chemical reaction, defense mechanism

  • @reverseashv2169
    @reverseashv2169 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Fun fact that man of steel prequel comic with supergirl also involved Johns. Snyder denied Supergirl ever being in that ancient scout ship. And has been very stern on there being 1 person to escape the scout ship see that man of steel Vero commentary at 45:13. Yet dc put out a weird Wal-Mart tie in comic that supposedly connected with the film.
    One that still has fans confused with how Supergirl really could be applied, casts doubts about man of steel as an origin story, and could be a reason why no ones quick to jump on that project due to confusion.

    • @Jogeta5
      @Jogeta5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That shit confused me for ages. After a while I just ignored it, it was pretty bad anyway.

  • @kevindaniels3406
    @kevindaniels3406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Brilliant expose! Finely crafted and reported. I’ve loved these characters for along rime. I’ve admired a great deal of Zack’s work. I’m so glad that we get to see his vision! Not everything needs to be Marvel-ized!

  • @nirdmarshal7270
    @nirdmarshal7270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Damn Jon... You got me raising my fist 👊... Bruh

  • @vandalsavage8254
    @vandalsavage8254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    This is perfect man! You explained it really well. I already see 1 dislike, from a Geoff Johns fanboy I guess.

    • @I-speak-U-shut-it
      @I-speak-U-shut-it 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      "Dislikes won't matter. It's trivial in the long run."
      *YOU. PUNCH THE DISLIKERS IN THE FACE*

    • @aizazrasool5074
      @aizazrasool5074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      21, One from Geoff Johns, One from Joss Whedon, Another from Kevin Tsujihara and WB execs. The rest, the rest are from Snyder haters with little kids.

    • @vandalsavage8254
      @vandalsavage8254 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aizaz Rasool those are just WB and Geoff Johns simps.

    • @aizazrasool5074
      @aizazrasool5074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did I mention Jon Berg?

  • @lindseym2134
    @lindseym2134 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Hey if Geoff Johns wouldn’t have done what he did with Whedon and theatrical cut, we wouldn’t be getting a 4 hour un compromised Justice League. We would’ve just gotten the 214 Snyder Johns cut. So in reality this all happened for a reason.

  • @CAPEDCRUSADER3900
    @CAPEDCRUSADER3900 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I would love for them to let Zack Snyder finish his original story Idea of those 10 films if possible, then they could go the MCU route if they want with more villains and characters, but I want to see Zack's completed vision with not just Justice League but the other films he had planned for it and Justice League Part 2 and Part 3 I'd love to see all 10 of those films then DC & WB could do what they want with these characters after. At the very very least I'd like Zack's Justice League story to be finished but the whole story was supposed to be told with 10 films and we'd miss out on a lot of plot points for Justice League Part 2, and Part 3 if we skipped the other 3 films in-Between, so I really hope the Zack Snyder Cut of Justice League does well so we can convince WB and AT&T to at least finish Zack's story with his Idea.

  • @neilmendrico5262
    @neilmendrico5262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    another good meal for thought while waiting for Snyder's Justice League 🤘 I look forward for more.

  • @scottiejerwinabejuela4973
    @scottiejerwinabejuela4973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    All of the great producers are there on the credits. I'm so happy.

  • @Rubix9595RG
    @Rubix9595RG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    20:05 it’s weird knowing that 2 out of all the scenes he showed weren’t in the movie, but the ones that were in ZSJL were actually the better and way less awkward quips.

  • @eventhorizonoh2501
    @eventhorizonoh2501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Best video out there that explains this story. Nice work.

  • @keitholsen9435
    @keitholsen9435 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I see a Jon Arryn Garza video on Justice League. I like.
    Thank you Jon for all the content on the Snyder Cut from way back till now.

  • @KryptonCaged
    @KryptonCaged 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Awesome video essay buddy! Here's to ZSJL Season 2 indeed!

  • @adiipurush1922
    @adiipurush1922 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    we need more of this garza!!

  • @Avatariuz
    @Avatariuz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Basically sums up what ive seen, heard and experienced through the years since 2012.
    Zacks opinion on DC keeps it own pace and track compared to MCU sticks true since MoS. Pre at&t WB shouldve just trust the directory from the movies, i thought it was a great idea, was looking forward to the flash, affleck Batman and Wan's non-mcu styled Aquaman. Imagine amazing movies we could have now., with their own stories.

  • @coreymckee4844
    @coreymckee4844 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Im all for the 4 hour series but the entire thing BETTER COME TO BLURAY. I want to OWN this. Not rent it on a stupid service.

  • @YashMyGosh
    @YashMyGosh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    In hindsight everything turned out to be Great,the dots can only be connected looking backwards!

  • @aztecdineromusic
    @aztecdineromusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hopefully it lives up to the hype and we get part two & three

  • @deibyvalenzuela1642
    @deibyvalenzuela1642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This video made my day. Thank you so much.

  • @ammarahsan5469
    @ammarahsan5469 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Awesome video man. Really worth it during my lunch break just now! I didn't know about the whole zack making the johns movie and ALSO his own movie. Shows how he was 10 steps ahead of them

  • @vasanthkumarj8245
    @vasanthkumarj8245 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That was awesome work Garza & Co! Loved every second of it... This is definitely the biggest cinematic event of 2021... Cheers guys!

  • @MHF013
    @MHF013 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    What an utterly bizarre interview clip at 10:25. It's like the guy is physically incapable of seeing that the MCU also tries to do the exact same thing he is criticizing Zack of doing, specially in the first movies. The dude just goes into immediate denial mode.

    • @chiranjeevsaikia560
      @chiranjeevsaikia560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not just this guy, but a lot of MCU tards who call themselves fans. Sad fact, even I used to be like him earlier.

  • @nateg617
    @nateg617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks man. This is perfect. Wanted this video for some time

  • @siddharthkhirwar7192
    @siddharthkhirwar7192 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    12:30 I agree with all of your points except the one involving the 21 movies buildup of Endgame and the Jimmy Olsen critique. While I love how the DCEU was shaping up, I also cannot deny the fact what the MCU has achieved is unprecedented and the films did take risks but not as much as BvS but Infinity War and Endgame ramped up the stakes and took risks which made it all the more impactful as we had gotten to know those characters over 21 films and it felt earned even if some of the films in between were mediocre. Another point I disagree on Olsen's representation. I fully understand and appreciate what Zack was trying to achieve with the nature of the world he had set BvS in and how it was a self-contained story but it was still utterly disrespectful to just out Olsen like that in such a weak manner. They could have used any other minor character based in the comics or come up with a new one to establish the world the movie was set in but Olsen is an integral part of Superman and in many ways is the heart of Superman and his lore. He, Lois, and Martha Kent are the ones who ground Superman in reality. If Snyder really couldn't afford to flesh the character of Jimmy Olsen to tell his story, then he should have just left him out of the picture rather than shoot him off-screen.

  • @seankent2036
    @seankent2036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    So where was Christopher Nolan when it all went wrong?????

    • @sneekmatrix
      @sneekmatrix 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hiding in a closet with the joker. And riddler was taunting him with riddle me this!

  • @ramandk5698
    @ramandk5698 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1- I wanna say thank you for posting that on TH-cam and make that TH-cam. I really love dc universal 2- now I understand zack is legend I hope he will make the dc movies more and better.

  • @JoeyMartz
    @JoeyMartz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Best video on the story of ZSJL.

  • @alwaysxnever
    @alwaysxnever 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was so well put together, thank you.my only criticism is that your V.O. audio is so much louder than the videos. But it's still amazing.

  • @KingdomBusiness007
    @KingdomBusiness007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wonderful video. I was aware of some of these things but damn they really did Synder dirty. But ay things in the dark always come to light. You’ve earned a subscriber.

  • @princekyle4132
    @princekyle4132 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Avengers: Endgame and BvS: Ultimate Edition are two of my favorite movies. Superhero stuff is incredible. I’m glad for Zack Snyder’s Justice League happening. Can’t wait!

  • @beplatinum2014
    @beplatinum2014 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    10:14min. Correction, WB owns 25% of RT and WB didn’t allow the review embargo to lift until 6am PST 10am EDT. I remember this in advance, I was going to see BvS the night before and notice the review embargo was still down. The earlier social media in embargo for the LA premier was already lifted with mixed reactions.

  • @afterhoursmedia459
    @afterhoursmedia459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I was thinking John's would still get royalties, though? I think the script was semi-based on the Justice League: Origins book he did with Jim Lee. And while his material will be cut from the film, he was still a producer, so won't he get some money from being attached to the original project, even though he has no influence now? I'm not sure how it works.

  • @brucewayne-ej3cx
    @brucewayne-ej3cx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    WB is weak and scared of cry baby dorks. Zacks vision is amazing

  • @sharma91195
    @sharma91195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a thorough analysis of the events. Awesome work my friend.

  • @lonewolfgamingplus379
    @lonewolfgamingplus379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm still in shock at the fact of his cut coming out.. I was there from the beginning and now I'm here for ending. Lantern287 has different take on Geoff John's and even though Johns is a snake.

  • @cochino21
    @cochino21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Brilliant. Thank you. Can’t wait for Sunday

  • @geo1681
    @geo1681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Nicely done Garza, you da man.

  • @zanderman15
    @zanderman15 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That Lex theme chimed in at the perfect point in this video
    I see you homie 💪🏽
    GREAT VIDEO!!!!!

  • @sincerecity1193
    @sincerecity1193 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    BvS was suppose to be a 2 Part Movie 😔😢

  • @TobiEditz99
    @TobiEditz99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Perfect essay man! Zack won 🙌🏻❤️

  • @bkh3218
    @bkh3218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wow. this was a great analysis video. thanks for posting this. i didn't realize some of those 'funny' lines from the trailers were johns and whedon rewrites. i thought it was Zack & Chris Terrio stuff.

  • @fran131415
    @fran131415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Loved this vid!!! How do we know every scene from ZSJL will be 100% Terrio's and that there's nothing from Johns? I mean, Johns rewrote some scenes previous to Whedon step-in, and Zack shot some of Johns' work.

    • @JonArrynGarza
      @JonArrynGarza  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Francisco Narbais bc zack wont allow it in his film. And also he’d have to be given credit for that and he’s no where to be seen

    • @fran131415
      @fran131415 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JonArrynGarza thx for your answer 🙌🏼👍🏼

  • @jayjayx5x1
    @jayjayx5x1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So glad I never rewatched JL. Meanwhile I have rewatched both MOS and BvS uncut.

  • @mackerel6099
    @mackerel6099 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another great video as expected

  • @vincentvalenhyde
    @vincentvalenhyde 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Geoff Johns isn't even a poor man's Kevin Feige. He's not even worthy to lick the man's shoe.

  • @yamancerin4200
    @yamancerin4200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dude, thank you for explaining.
    I already knew the story, but at least there's a video that I can share.

  • @kogashinto2123
    @kogashinto2123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    0:20 That cute little moment

  • @EdoItachiAnbu
    @EdoItachiAnbu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video Garza🔥

  • @greigmonkpics
    @greigmonkpics 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great stuff and shared.

  • @Jordan-to1nc
    @Jordan-to1nc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm very said that Zack had whole story arc's planned out for each Justice League characters. By making Superman in man of steel more human with conflicted emotions about his powers is better than making him a generic superhero who embrace's their powers more than they hate it(which is more Marvel than WB thought but okay..) The way he showed all of the Justice League and their motives in the film were amazing. And who ever wrote the script, I want to give them props to because the script was good(don't forget to give props to the screenwriter)

  • @BigStef71182
    @BigStef71182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As always great vid jon 👍. You deserve more views bro.

  • @DeesNerds
    @DeesNerds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video. Just goes to show that 99% of the time, studios need to get out of the way.

  • @JTSavoy
    @JTSavoy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Awesome job, JG. Nice recap 🖖🏾💯✊🏿

  • @zabuza01
    @zabuza01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think Zack said scenes he did not shoot won't be in the Snyder cut. I think he shot those lines(My Turn, I'm Rich), I think cause they are in the first tralier.

    • @peterdavies4166
      @peterdavies4166 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      that line wasnt in first trailer it was last, so could whedons, but there are few lines there that deff snyders not whedons. snyder said that this was gonna be little lighter than bvs, bvs was always darkest

  • @RGMRT
    @RGMRT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2:08 "Whether or not w don't see them" Yea dropping that comment knowing from beginning he had Martian Manhunter talking face to face with Superman before even Batman battles him. Damn.

  • @maniv2119
    @maniv2119 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Top notch as always Ser!

  • @seankent2036
    @seankent2036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this.....

  • @kevaughnmerrill6534
    @kevaughnmerrill6534 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great stuff Gsrza! Gonna die this to some friends. Nice, succinct look at the triumph of ZSJL

  • @adreesuddin84
    @adreesuddin84 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm watching this in Jan 2021 and I'm sooo happy that I'm part of this fandom. Love you guys and Jon for this awesome video

  • @shubhajitsinhjahagirdar2801
    @shubhajitsinhjahagirdar2801 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you sir Garza for this incredibly informative video
    Thank you for backing up and supporting my lord Snyder
    love you for this... always
    #GOATSNYDER

  • @TheAlphaDingo
    @TheAlphaDingo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video. As a big DC fan, I knew parts of the studio politics but didn't realise the full extent of the meddling and dramas going on behind the scenes. Great research and well constructed video. Walking out of the cinema after seeing Josstice League left me feeling flat and the best I could take away was the ending scene that hinted of something potentially good to come but seeing the success of the SnyderCut movement and seeing this long awaited cut coming to screens in the near future has really got me pumped again for Zack's original vision.

  • @josesharon7892
    @josesharon7892 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for great information

  • @swaggrrman7326
    @swaggrrman7326 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great stuff Garza. And TRUTH! Cheers!