@@engrs4wrd2 Michelangelo wasn't actually a very good painter. He was an extraordinary sculptor though. Which is why Da Vinci called him that dusty man. Now Da Vinci was an extraordinary painter.
Well he didn't show great offhand today...might be the guns...? Bolt action WMR by a good shooter easily groups 2" @ 100yds in the right hands = 24" barrel likely slower twist rifling & rifle sights...! Personally the 50gr by Federal are the bomb @ 1,600fps really hit hard- for .22 anyway...!
That's what I like about TH-cam videos. They are organic and natural. I like it when somebody is talking and the dog or cat wanders in. Or somebody goes past and says hello to the video maker. It is true community TV.
Many channels have their signature methods that make them memorable. 1) reading a chronograph from 7 yards away 2) properly wrapping fruit with clothing 👍
KelTec is building a new production facility here in Wyoming. While I was never a huge fan of their stuff, I recently got a P17 that is one of the most fun firearms I've ever owned, and some of their other offerings are becoming more refined, reliable and better-featured, while remaining affordable. I hope it is a trend which continues.
I really like the owner’s sense of creativity and originality. The firearms he designs are more than just variations on established types. That said I don’t own any of his guns so go figure.
There's lots of Paul Harrell videos I haven't seen and some I'd love to watch again, so no, there are no boring days, only boring people... heh heh that means YOU 😀
It's okay. Your heart will keep on beating due to the sodium potassium ion exchange pump that allows continuous impulses from the sinoatrial node, travelling to the AV node, bundle of HIS, the left and right bundle branches, and finally the purkinje fibers. It all works out in the end.
Paul, I can go shoot whenever I want. I come to listen to you test, analyze and critically interpret results. There's nothing boring about hearing you talk. Sometimes I zone out while you're shooting, but I always come back when you start to talk. I think you're a great teacher. Thanks for sharing.
great show. as a non gun owner, total novice, the main reason I watch these productions is to begin to understand the world of fire arms, fire arms owners to some extent, and to learn from Pauls style of presentation, argumentation, knowing he has my back in this and all debates. logic, honesty, integrity are fine base lines for any presentation.
Lovely keep it up and get yourself a firearm. Sadly here in Germany they are pretty much unobtanium for most people + we don't have a gun culture. Expand and preserve your rights Americans! I can only dream of living in a country with firearms so plenty as you have them.
GET A GUN. Start slow and with small caliber. A good place to start is with a 22lr revolver (22 long rifle is a caliber.) Simple firearm, light caliber, easy to shoot. ALSO: take lessons. Yes, it will cost money. So what? It's only dirty paper. As you get comfy with the 22lr revolver, start exploring heavier calibers (please, please, please don't go straight to the 44 Magnum, I'm begging you.) Once you get comfortable with both revolvers and semiauto pistols in heavier calibers, start exploring rifles and shotguns. Again, TAKE LESSONS. If your wife objects, take her shooting with you. WARNING - the more vociferously anti-gun she is, the faster and more maniacally she will become a gun aficionado. Give it 30 minutes at the range. Side note: it's the women who always want to go from the 22lr revolver to the 44 Mag RIGHT AWAY. They just go nuts.
@@StudSupreme Good advice. I'd recommend a .22 pistol (automatic) too. In fact something like a Browning Buckmark or a Ruger Mk IV standard (that's a sexy pistol) I'd recommend over a revolver.
@@Hjerte_Verke I am fairly inexperienced but shot guns on multiple occasions and the ruger 10 22 was really controlable and taugt me the basics of rifle operations and cleaning well :) but one needs to have good magazines. 22s can be prone to misfeeding with the wrong magazines
I would like to add that there isn't "the perfect starter gun" I think it comes all down to preference. Paul Harrell did 2 nice videos on starter guns. I had the pleasure to shoot some of them personally and they were some sound pics. I didn't feel overwhelmed (I never handled guns before) So yeah if i had to buy myself my first one I would probably trust this guy that some call a professional to make a sound and well thought out preselection (and one day buy a calico just for the heck of it)
Paul you never let me down with the one finger point of understanding. Love it. Thanks for a true unbiased channel. Hey it’s close to thanksgiving. It’s time to shoot the leftovers guns. The judge and what ever ammo is left on the store shelves. That’s about all they are good for.
I love guns, however, I have zero interest in 5.7x28, and 22wmr. I watched this entire video, and enjoyed it because it’s Paul Harrell!! Thank you Mr. Harrell.
62 years old and I'm still a child, I would use tallywhacker ammo just so I could say I did. great job once again. That 5.7x.28 I would think would compare better to .22 hornet, but that ammo isn't so easy to acquire
@@frigglebiscuit7484 I had to read up on the 22 TCM, I have no experience with it. I hesitate to comment about something I haven't had my hands on, from what I'm reading it's hotter than the 5.7 and not quite as hot as the hornet. I don't know about availability either. Maybe Paul will check it out for those of us who aren't in the know?
@@williamsporing1500 I live in an area with multiple options from large to small. Most modern ammo is usually in stock, I have to have my guy order 22 hornet when I want more. I see a few options for my 5.7 when I need it. Your mileage may vary.
@@donakahorse lol…we’ve got 22 hornet. The ones we’ve had trickling in is 243, 270, 30/30 and a couple others. I believe it’s because it’s deer season here in Ky. How’s the 410 situation there? I have literally seen 4 boxes in the last 10 months! I don’t get it.
It's not a bad gun. Useful for pest control I would think. The whole idea of magazine change outs is not concerning, nor the capacity because you can get done what it needs to do with 20 rounds verses 30 rounds. When you weigh the costs of each gun I think Kel Tec is the better option.
I love mine. Murdered a couple of turkeys and rabbits with it. It has some weird hiccups sometimes, but that's mostly because of the magazine, which I feel could use some tuning
My CMR-30 snapped its firing pin this summer. Only around 1200 rds thru it. Keltec was kind enough to send me two replacement firing pins. Not sure if I got a bad one but I was told it may have been bad heat treating. Other than that it's been a great/fun gun.
As I am “poor”, I’ll likely never be able to afford most of the weapons Paul reviews, but I definitely enjoy all of his presentations and insights. Thanks for another great Video!! 🇺🇸
Paul does not do reviews of all the best and newest firearms all the time though; he is a big proponent of using "what works for you" and he often says that means using a firearm that you can afford or one that you inherited, etc., providing that it is effective and in good working order.
Both of these firearms are on the cheaper end of carbines. Also as a young man I didn't have a lot of cash. I started giving my ma what Lil money I had left at the end of the month. A couple years later I owned a $700 savage 308 and an ok vortex scope. That was just the start.
Don't make poverty your identity. The millennial/zoomer grind is real, but so is the capacity for improvement. It may take longer to get past the treading water phase, but have discipline. It takes a lot to keep from falling behind. Eventually if you have the Habits, small gains will add up. Once you start getting traction, if you keep the discipline the gains come quicker too. I don't want to convey that it's easy. It's been a grind for me. And I do think it is a more difficult thing to get on top of for the younger generations than most rumors can appreciate. But if you concede defeat you will never get on top of this. The biggest thing is building a buffer no matter how hard you have to fight for it. Once you get to a place where car trouble or a bad roommate or whatever can't knock out your savings then you are in a position to start making choices that are bigger gains. Plan on either getting promoted every 2 years or changing jobs every 2 years. That means you need to be developing the skills or looking for the lateral transfer well before you need the transfer. For me that was looking like maybe every 3 weeks to see what jobs were available during the lunch break. There are certainly better examples than me. But you don't get the better opportunity if you don't try. And you don't know what's out there if you're not looking.
I am a Ruger fan, but magazines dropping out of a rifle at random is a deal breaker. The Keltec seems to be very solid and the overall weight and size of that implement is very attractive. I’m sure some Ruger obsessive is going to read that comment, and say to himself, “How compelling…please face the wall.”
Thorough, objective review. Even your subjective assessments, you clarified as such. 👍 The PMR 30 also comes with two 30-round magazines, and I've found them completely interchangeable between the two guns. That's 120 rounds at your ready disposal when you buy the pair.
My single shot Little Badger in 22WMR got me through the great ammo shortage of 2020, and only recently I decided to upgrade to a semi-auto. The rounds are so accurate out of a 16 inch barrel, I just decided to get an A22 with a 22 inch barrel.
Man, I nearly cried when I found out about your situation today Paul. I'm happy you're leaving us with so much quality content and funny shenanigans to go back to.
I will be adding the CMR-30 to go with my PMR-30 as another bug out option, same mags and same ammo is a real plus, you can carry lots of 22 mag without adding a lot of extra weight as well. And as always, Sir you make very entertaining and informative videos, Thank you
better get some spare firing pins. Unless Keltec has fixed their problem. I replaced one for a friend and it had sharp corners from the machining (stress risers) and that will most always make a break there especially if not heat treated properly
.22 magnum is cheaper to buy but the cases aren't reusable, so if you do much reloading 5.7 might end up being cheaper in the long run if you can save a decent amount of your brass.
Maybe one day there will be enough demand for 5.7 ammo that production will increase and prices decrease. But it's doubtful it will ever be as affordable as .22 magnum due to its popularity and versatility.
The 5.7 round has never been inexpensive but the price has gotten a bit better since Ruger jumped on to it 20 yrs later. I use the 22TCM which is the USA 223 Rem case based version. Unfortunately RIA has held it close and hasn't sami certified it. I am guessing because it gives them kinda a monopoly on it.
@@donrichter3523 I'd rather buy an affordable weapon and put more money into it if I already love it, as opposed to paying as much up front for a weapon I don't know if I will like. Much like upgrading an afforable AR you like piece by piece
I really appreciate the quality of your audio and video. I am not a gun-guy, and have nothing against them, but your videos are very enjoyable. Thanks, Paul.
V Max is considered a varmint bullet, but as many reloaders have found out, if reloaded to a slower velocity they will hold together and make a nice mushroom. I've tried it myself and saw it with my own eyes.
@@ShastaBean The reduced velocity is an energy killer but the weight retention gives it back . To what extent, we didn't go that deep. We just wanted to know if reduced velocity let the bullet hold together and it did. That's all we wanted to know at that time. Without being at home to check, I can't even tell you what that velocity was but it was right around 1,000 fps. or a little more.
@@CM-ve1bz Wow! I wouldn't have thought it needed to be THAT slow. Then makes me wonder at what velocity it doesn't expand at all, vs fragments into pieces and whether that window of just mushrooming is so tight it's not even worth trying to reliably achieve.
This is a great vid, particularly the beeves bawl'n in the mic back-ground! Very interesting these bullet velocities. Thanks. (Miss those pop-tart intros!)
As a long time 22 Magnum fan, I understand your choice of 40 grain for the little magnum based on traditional loadings, but out of curiosity, I checked my vast collection of 22 magnums. I literally have one box of 40 grain projectiles. The majority are 31 or 33. They are much faster and flatter shooting then the older traditional loadings. Speed wise, they are definitely comparable to the 5.7 albeit with a lighter projectile. The damage they do is pretty impressive and is why I use them instead of the 40 grain. I use 45 and 50 grain for specific purposes as well. But, I do find the 5.7 very interesting and would love to see manufacturers produce small, high quality, carry pistols in that caliber, as I think they would be great for my daughters and many others, and be more reliable than a rimfire. It doesn’t seem nearly as versatile as the 22 magnum regarding different bullet weights, bullet construction, and firearms offered , but for self defense purposes, I definitely see the benefit. Thanks for the video.
The handbook for both the PMR and CMR states to use ammunition of 40grains or higher for it to cycle. I have had issues with CCI Maxi mag not cycling, usually have to use 45 - 50 grain ammunition and only have issues if I load the magazine incorrectly.
@@jasonbayles6261 I have to use 40gr CCI or my CMR won't cycle. I ran some 30(32?)gr Remington and it basically functioned like a bolt action. I had to manually cycle the bolt. Fired fine, and the accuracy was roughly the same, just didn't give me the semi-action I was looking for.
Hi Paul ! T day 2 days . Looking forward to you special . Ham and yam was great ! Advice on dating true . I wish the industry would get past short barrels . Shoot your muzzle loaders for us . I liked you cap and ball revolver . My new neighbor is a disabled Marine . Highest respect and gratitude .
Only advantage to the 5.7 is you can reload it. The fragmenting depending on use is the only downside. Thanks for the information, Paul, another great video.
5.7X28 has no case taper to speak of, that why the P90 can have a perfectly straight 50-round mag. The downside of this perfectly straight cartridge is the cartridge experiences a lot of friction during extraction, because of this factory ammo has a dry film lubricant applied to aid in extraction. I am sure that the lubricant is not completely used up after one firing but I couldn't say how many firings a piece of brass could take before this lubricant is completely gone and you start to get brass stuck in the chamber. It may be possible to apply more lubricant by coating the finished cartridges in wax or something but I have never tried it so I can't say if that would work or not. My point is that 5.7x28 is not as simple to reload as some other calibers.
@@miketyson8933 That is true, but the .22 WMR will work for small game as well as defense. .22 WMR is not my first choice for personal protection, but I agree with Paul that a pistol/rifle combo is the best option. Not beating on Ruger or Kel-Tec. Just would not want to small game hunt with 5.7. I might want to eat what I shot.
I have the PMR 30 and it does come with a learning curve to get familiar with loading the magazine, it can be a pain the get the last 5 shells in it. Mine did loosen up a bit after a few boxes of ammo and I enjoy shooting it, it’s a lot cheaper to plink with than a larger handgun . Any day having a good time with guns can’t be all bad. Great video as always.
There is a trick to loading PMR/CMR magazines that only requires your hands. Yes, they still take an inordinate amount of concentration. If you hold the magazine in your dominant hand so the spine is towards your palm, you use your index finge to push round down and in while your non-dominant hand feeds rounds. At about round 15, you have to begin tapping the mag between rounds. Yeah, it's a process.
Great video, as always, Paul. I've had a CMR-30 for several years. It's sort of a novelty gun, for me, bought because I love the Kel-Tec "Space Gun" looks. I've put probably close to 1000 rounds through it, mostly at the range, and it's performed very well. As I was watching the video, I couldn't recall having any magazine loading issues with mine, so I pulled out my magazines and loaded them up to 30 rounds while watching. They both loaded to full capacity without any assistive devices, or issues (unloading them kind of sucked, though). Obviously, that doesn't reflect your experience, and, as we all know, anecdotes do not equal data, but that issue may not be universal to all PMR/CMR magazines. Thanks again for the great videos!
Amazing video as always Paul. I’m doing a series on 22 mag for home defense right now with tons of ballistic tests and am so glad you did this video. If you don’t mind I’ve shared the heck out of this video already.
Grand effort all around. It speaks volumes that dang near every comment is about your presentation. To this, I say bravo. As well, the content "versus" match is one I've always wanted to see. I find myself routinely chewing for the under dog, it's good to see it came out on top this time. Kudos to Kel-Tec.
I'm eagerly awaiting the 2022 thanksgiving special. I've made it tradition to watch at my parents house whilst preparing our own thanksgiving dinner. As always, a very informative presentation. Edit: I agree that a forward assist of some sort is a must on any semi-auto rifle/carbine. A clean rifle may not need it often, but if you aren't keeping up with your cleaning or encounter ammo the action doesn't agree with, you'll find yourself wishing your go to rifle had a forward assist.
I agree about the forward assist I have heard these arguments about the ar15 not needing it and such but it seems like a thing that is better to have and not need than need and not have if you have a spring or gassing malfunction you might be short just that little bit and not be able to fire anymore if you cannot close the chamber
Great "grumpy old man" video! Informative as usual, always educational, and entertaining. Reference those mags, if I need more than thirty or sixty rounds for shooting varmint, I need either a new eyeglass prescrip or a much smaller property. Always good to know that there's another Marine out there my age who is more stuck in his ways than I am. Completely with you about the forward assist, those young whippersnackers have no idea what they're talking about.
Paul, love you dude. You always make me laugh, in the best way. Most of all I love your attention to detail and your concise speech. Keep it up, I'm a fan for life.
Love how you can hear the comments to the video starting at around 0:02:15 Honestly I think the comparative effectiveness is moot considering the difference in feed reliability across the range of weapons of either cal.
Straight up honest review, good points presented that I may not have thought of, but very important! I have to give it to kilter for consistent outside the box thinking, though not always nicely executed. Excellent video!
I got a CMR 30 and there is no gun in my safes that I like more. Everything that Paul mentioned is consistent with my experience, hate the mag release but LOVE Everything else.
As usual, Paul provides good information. Personally, I don't consider either the 5.7 or .22 magnum first (or even second) choices for personal defense. To me they're "ranch rifles" that I would carry in the truck to dispatch small game or nuisance serpents. As such, none of the negatives of either of them are deal-breakers for me. I'd probably go with the Keltec for its compactness and the much cheaper ammo. Still, either of them would be suitable for that purpose so there's no real wrong answer.
Aye, I'd love to see a FK7.5 conversion, 90 grains at the same velocity as 5.7 really makes the 5.7 look like what it is. Just need dies and bullets for it to avoid going broke.
More people have been killed by 22lr than any other round, I am significantly less concerned about stopping power if attacked when I have another 29 rounds left in the magazine to attempt/frantically magdump at a headshot, especially with hollow or soft points.
Mr. Smith. Nope. More people, under civilian usage, have been SHOT by .22LR, not killed. Get your stats together. 9mm is the leader for pistol caliber, btw
Love my CMR. Even though. 22 mag isn't cheap it's a lot cheaper and easier to find than the 57. For my use here on the farm the super lightweight CMR and it's 30 round mags make it awesome.
Still in the middle of the 114 shuffle here in Oregon, a very dark time for the country. Perhaps after this settles down you could consider a video on the effects extreme temperature changes from leaving magazines and ammunition in a vehicle for days or weeks might have on reliability and accuracy. Anyways, thank you for the wealth of knowledge and entertainment you give freely to the world, it is appreciated.
I thought it was clever at 7:58 you gave critiques (ref ammunition) the middle finger. Anyhow, thanks for what you do. Always thorough and well done. Strong work!!! DOL
I love this video. For that small amount of difference I think I’ll stick with my CMR 30 and spend a whole lot less on ammo cost. 5.7x28 is crazy spendy.
Hallelujah. You're the first GunTuber, and expert one at that, to mention the placement of the Keltec mag release and how difficult it is to load the magazines. I had the pistol for awhile and when carrying it in a holster everytime my elbow touched the butt of the gun it released the magazine. Sometimes the magazine would drop out on the draw or it would just be out enough so the 2nd round wouldn't be picked up. You just did many folks a favor that were thinking about purchasing either version, pistol or carbine, and showing the folks that already own one that they are not alone. It even happened to Hickok45 while he was doing a review on the pistol but he didn't even mention it. That was not like him at all. Especially on an issue that is not about just like or dislike of a feature but a feature that unbeknownst to you could turn your 30 or 31 round weapon into a single shot. So good on you Sir.
Hey man your comprehensive reviews and personality make for some of the best gun content on TH-cam. Keep up the awesome work and I made sure to subscribe
@@throwawaytrash33 They might be, but do you have any idea of the crap you have to go through to get a license? the back ground checks, police checks..etc...you can be waiting years.
If Paul ever wants to change the name of this channel for some reason, or create a second channel, here is the name that will give everyone a chuckle: The Average Shooter
I'm a CMR30 owner and I have a couple of points to make: 1. I need to buy Armscor 40gr .22wmr pronto. CCI's Maxi Mag is the defacto standard ammo recommended by KelTec for the CMR30 but it appears that it's not hitting the advertised velocity whereas the Amrscor stuff is rather close to it's advertised 1857fps. 2. Getting used to the mag release, particularly for rapid reload situations, I think is easier if you have larger hands as I do. Even for "normal" reloads, I basically shift my grip to put pressure on the button to release and with my free hand I can drop and reload. If I needed to drop the mag and not care if I recovered it or not, a simple flick of the wrist while pressing the button in the same manner will send it flying and I can reload even faster. 3. The magazines ARE ridiculously difficult to reload. They also require a break-in period in order to get them to hold the full 30 rounds. I have two M-Carbo speedloaders for mine and I"ve found that using them are the only way to reload. 4. That your CMR has only had the one malfunction is nothing short of a miracle. Mine, regardless of which magazine I use and fairly consistently, will fire the first round and fail to chamber the second, requiring me to pull the bolt release and release it in order to chamber the next round. After that I can usually empty a magazine without any issues depending on the ammo (in fact I have one such video illustrating that issue in my channel). 5. Of the three rifles I own, I've long considered the CMR my rifle of choice for home defense over my Keltec Sub2000 (9mm w/Glock 17 mags) or my AR15 mainly because of fear of over penetration. I do have some of those Remington soft points in a magazine and I'd now be hesitant to use them due to the way they sailed through the meat target. I'd probably feel more comfortable using my Federal 50gr hollow points as they're slower and shouldn't have that issue, or I'd probably be better off grabbing the Sub2000 with a magazine full of slow, heavy JHP's (I have a mag loaded with 147gr Sig Elite JHP's). I'm really fond of my CMR30. I'm quite accurate with it using irons or my red dot. I usually transport it in a backpack due to it's size, and I find it reliable. Here's hoping Paul gets used to his!
Great review / comparison Paul...I've been looking at both of these and i am a long time fan of 22mag for varmits. Since that's all i would use it for anyway and i like the savings on ammo, weight and compactness going for keltec. Better options than both of these for shtf
Great video as always. As someone who is a bit of a fan of .22 Magnum and the idea that it is more than a slightly more powerful .22LR I enjoyed seeing that, while the 5.7 beat it in velocity and damage to the meat target, there was nothing shabby about the .22 Mag performance. Given that I own .22 Mag rifles and handguns, can still buy .22 Mag ammo even at Walmart but don't ever recall seeing 5.7 in a brick and mortar store in my area that made me happy. I've said all along that the PMR didn't interest me much because of it's size but that the CMR does sound interesting so I really appreciated this test. I've also been checking out reviews of the Rossi semiauto in .22 Mag and it looks interesting, as well. Thank you.
.22WMR is more than a just a little more powerful .22LR. It is a completely different cartridge. Unlike the .22LR the .22WMR uses conventional bullets that are crimped into the case as opposed to the heal based bullets of the .22LR. What this means is that the .22WMR bullets do not move in the case and do not require outside lubrication. Out of rifles the .22WMR is vastly superior to the .22LR in every respect.
@@cvr527 Yep. A non-heeled bullet with a true jacket, not a copper wash (except Winchester Dynapoint .22 Mag which is meant to mimic the old WRF round) and a lot more velocity.
Another great video. No nonsense and the info really is helpful. Either of these PCC’s would be handy to keep in a go-bag as a possible option to a .22 LR. Very interesting, thank you Paul.
I'll have you know that Sub-Four Tallywacker is absolutely worth presenting as viable ammunition. Officially banned though it is from the civilian market, acquiring it is as easy as going to your local Dollar General and telling that one guy (you know the one) that you "simply must receive *the business* he has to offer, and won't take 'no' for an answer." You may need to throw in a wink to convince him you're cool.
Thank you for all the great work you do. No fluff, politics, fake excitement or silly stunts, just straight and honest gun science. ... And somebody please feed those cows!
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RIP Paul. First video I’ve watched since your passing.
Me too.
I always smile when Paul describes himself as an average shooter.
He should probably get an average shooter during these demonstrations.
He's average with his off hand.
He's about as an "average" shooter as Michaelangelo was an "average" painter.
@@engrs4wrd2 Michelangelo wasn't actually a very good painter. He was an extraordinary sculptor though. Which is why Da Vinci called him that dusty man. Now Da Vinci was an extraordinary painter.
Well he didn't show great offhand today...might be the guns...?
Bolt action WMR by a good shooter easily groups 2" @ 100yds in the right hands = 24" barrel likely slower twist rifling & rifle sights...!
Personally the 50gr by Federal are the bomb @ 1,600fps really hit hard- for .22 anyway...!
This was a very MOOOOOOOving presentation.
That's what I like about TH-cam videos. They are organic and natural. I like it when somebody is talking and the dog or cat wanders in. Or somebody goes past and says hello to the video maker. It is true community TV.
Is that was that noise was? I thought the production crew had been replaced with pigeons.
👍👍😊😂
He had a live studio audience today..
The local fauna were COWering while Paul was shooting.
Many channels have their signature methods that make them memorable. 1) reading a chronograph from 7 yards away 2) properly wrapping fruit with clothing 👍
Best gun channel period. No BS. No hacky shit. No sponsors. Just quality, educated opinions and a smooth ass voice.
Obviously you ignore the pop tart ads
He needs to talk slower. Like he used to. Can't hardly understand him.
No Tactical Tom crap either.
@tritech, That's what I told Paul when we met ! Best gun channel !!
Definitely sponsored by Pop Tarts though... so....
KelTec is building a new production facility here in Wyoming. While I was never a huge fan of their stuff, I recently got a P17 that is one of the most fun firearms I've ever owned, and some of their other offerings are becoming more refined, reliable and better-featured, while remaining affordable. I hope it is a trend which continues.
I really like the owner’s sense of creativity and originality. The firearms he designs are more than just variations on established types. That said I don’t own any of his guns so go figure.
I'm really becoming a Kel Tec fan, didn't think that would ever happen. I like the new direction they're headed in.
Great to hear, considering the P-17. All the best!!
I have a SU16CA that has treated me extremely well.
Where about in wy? Black hills?
Just when I thought I was going to have a boring day Paul saves it
I agree with you 💯💯💯💯Paul is AMAZING!
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There's lots of Paul Harrell videos I haven't seen and some I'd love to watch again, so no, there are no boring days, only boring people... heh heh that means YOU 😀
Boring?!?!?! You could have been watching the exciting 0-0 tie between Poland and Mexico at the world cup....
osrs is down, happiness is down, Paul uploads , Good times.
I'm so glad there are a few people left with integrity. Paul is certainly one of those people.
Paul Harrell reviewing a Keltech? be still my heart...
It's okay. Your heart will keep on beating due to the sodium potassium ion exchange pump that allows continuous impulses from the sinoatrial node, travelling to the AV node, bundle of HIS, the left and right bundle branches, and finally the purkinje fibers. It all works out in the end.
@Jaden48108 🤦🏻♂️
Paul, I can go shoot whenever I want. I come to listen to you test, analyze and critically interpret results. There's nothing boring about hearing you talk. Sometimes I zone out while you're shooting, but I always come back when you start to talk. I think you're a great teacher. Thanks for sharing.
great show. as a non gun owner, total novice, the main reason I watch these productions is to begin to understand the world of fire arms, fire arms owners to some extent, and to learn from Pauls style of presentation, argumentation, knowing he has my back in this and all debates. logic, honesty, integrity are fine base lines for any presentation.
Lovely keep it up and get yourself a firearm. Sadly here in Germany they are pretty much unobtanium for most people + we don't have a gun culture. Expand and preserve your rights Americans! I can only dream of living in a country with firearms so plenty as you have them.
GET A GUN. Start slow and with small caliber. A good place to start is with a 22lr revolver (22 long rifle is a caliber.) Simple firearm, light caliber, easy to shoot. ALSO: take lessons. Yes, it will cost money. So what? It's only dirty paper. As you get comfy with the 22lr revolver, start exploring heavier calibers (please, please, please don't go straight to the 44 Magnum, I'm begging you.) Once you get comfortable with both revolvers and semiauto pistols in heavier calibers, start exploring rifles and shotguns. Again, TAKE LESSONS.
If your wife objects, take her shooting with you. WARNING - the more vociferously anti-gun she is, the faster and more maniacally she will become a gun aficionado. Give it 30 minutes at the range. Side note: it's the women who always want to go from the 22lr revolver to the 44 Mag RIGHT AWAY. They just go nuts.
@@StudSupreme Good advice. I'd recommend a .22 pistol (automatic) too. In fact something like a Browning Buckmark or a Ruger Mk IV standard (that's a sexy pistol) I'd recommend over a revolver.
@@Hjerte_Verke I am fairly inexperienced but shot guns on multiple occasions and the ruger 10 22 was really controlable and taugt me the basics of rifle operations and cleaning well :) but one needs to have good magazines. 22s can be prone to misfeeding with the wrong magazines
I would like to add that there isn't "the perfect starter gun" I think it comes all down to preference. Paul Harrell did 2 nice videos on starter guns. I had the pleasure to shoot some of them personally and they were some sound pics. I didn't feel overwhelmed (I never handled guns before)
So yeah if i had to buy myself my first one I would probably trust this guy that some call a professional to make a sound and well thought out preselection (and one day buy a calico just for the heck of it)
Paul is so polite, always thanking me for my patience.
*_HAPPY THANKSGIVING,_** to you and yours Paul Harrell! And to everyone, everywhere as well.* 👍👍& 10k⭐
Paul you never let me down with the one finger point of understanding. Love it. Thanks for a true unbiased channel. Hey it’s close to thanksgiving. It’s time to shoot the leftovers guns. The judge and what ever ammo is left on the store shelves. That’s about all they are good for.
I love guns, however, I have zero interest in 5.7x28, and 22wmr. I watched this entire video, and enjoyed it because it’s Paul Harrell!! Thank you Mr. Harrell.
Paul you're awesome. Rest in peace dude
"And two" that cracked me up. Nice subtle way to stick it to the "EXPERTS", thanks for the laugh.
I can ALWAYS trust this channel for ammo and firearms results. Great content as always, Paul!
A video just in time for my coffee, excellent! Thank you!
Yep, fresh cup of cinnamon laced coffee goes well with Paul's presentations.
Cinnamon in coffee? You… you’re a monster!
62 years old and I'm still a child, I would use tallywhacker ammo just so I could say I did. great job once again. That 5.7x.28 I would think would compare better to .22 hornet, but that ammo isn't so easy to acquire
5.7 isn’t exactly falling out of the trees either!
22tcm is closer, if not hotter.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 I had to read up on the 22 TCM, I have no experience with it. I hesitate to comment about something I haven't had my hands on, from what I'm reading it's hotter than the 5.7 and not quite as hot as the hornet. I don't know about availability either. Maybe Paul will check it out for those of us who aren't in the know?
@@williamsporing1500 I live in an area with multiple options from large to small. Most modern ammo is usually in stock, I have to have my guy order 22 hornet when I want more. I see a few options for my 5.7 when I need it. Your mileage may vary.
@@donakahorse lol…we’ve got 22 hornet. The ones we’ve had trickling in is 243, 270, 30/30 and a couple others. I believe it’s because it’s deer season here in Ky.
How’s the 410 situation there? I have literally seen 4 boxes in the last 10 months! I don’t get it.
Just when I'm considering a CMR30 for purchase Paul releases a video about it. Fantastic stuff as per usual.
Same here. I think the cmr made out well here. Now I want one more
It's not a bad gun. Useful for pest control I would think. The whole idea of magazine change outs is not concerning, nor the capacity because you can get done what it needs to do with 20 rounds verses 30 rounds. When you weigh the costs of each gun I think Kel Tec is the better option.
I love mine. Murdered a couple of turkeys and rabbits with it. It has some weird hiccups sometimes, but that's mostly because of the magazine, which I feel could use some tuning
I like mine... Pairs perfectly with pmr30
My CMR-30 snapped its firing pin this summer. Only around 1200 rds thru it. Keltec was kind enough to send me two replacement firing pins. Not sure if I got a bad one but I was told it may have been bad heat treating. Other than that it's been a great/fun gun.
Great to hear of good CS from Keltec. All the best!!
Fantastic video, Paul. Best channel on TH-cam
The vid is 36 minutes long and you posted this 13 minutes after it went live. Lol.
@@gustoppa358 probs a patreon.
@@andrewallason4530 lol nice stretch
As I am “poor”, I’ll likely never be able to afford most of the weapons Paul reviews, but I definitely enjoy all of his presentations and insights. Thanks for another great Video!! 🇺🇸
Paul does not do reviews of all the best and newest firearms all the time though; he is a big proponent of using "what works for you" and he often says that means using a firearm that you can afford or one that you inherited, etc., providing that it is effective and in good working order.
Never say you are poor you bring it deeper into existence. Financially challenged is better
You can change this.
Both of these firearms are on the cheaper end of carbines. Also as a young man I didn't have a lot of cash. I started giving my ma what Lil money I had left at the end of the month. A couple years later I owned a $700 savage 308 and an ok vortex scope. That was just the start.
Don't make poverty your identity. The millennial/zoomer grind is real, but so is the capacity for improvement.
It may take longer to get past the treading water phase, but have discipline. It takes a lot to keep from falling behind. Eventually if you have the Habits, small gains will add up. Once you start getting traction, if you keep the discipline the gains come quicker too.
I don't want to convey that it's easy. It's been a grind for me. And I do think it is a more difficult thing to get on top of for the younger generations than most rumors can appreciate. But if you concede defeat you will never get on top of this.
The biggest thing is building a buffer no matter how hard you have to fight for it. Once you get to a place where car trouble or a bad roommate or whatever can't knock out your savings then you are in a position to start making choices that are bigger gains. Plan on either getting promoted every 2 years or changing jobs every 2 years. That means you need to be developing the skills or looking for the lateral transfer well before you need the transfer. For me that was looking like maybe every 3 weeks to see what jobs were available during the lunch break. There are certainly better examples than me. But you don't get the better opportunity if you don't try. And you don't know what's out there if you're not looking.
I am a Ruger fan, but magazines dropping out of a rifle at random is a deal breaker. The Keltec seems to be very solid and the overall weight and size of that implement is very attractive.
I’m sure some Ruger obsessive is going to read that comment, and say to himself, “How compelling…please face the wall.”
He’s not gonna shoot you in the back of the head if his mag keeps falling out
@@ThomasHendrickson Still got the one in the chamber though
I've got a PSA 57, so I'm neutral on this one
How DARE you sully the good flawless name of Ruger, they are THE one and only premium firearms company, need I remind you.
I love my Ruger 5.7 and would never buy this carbine. It's a piece of junk. CMMG has a way better version.
Thanks Paul! Wish there were more teachers out there with your knowledge and humility. Keep putting out content and I’ll keep learning!
Always enjoy Paul showing the 'Ammo Geek Nerds' who's #1.
Thorough, objective review. Even your subjective assessments, you clarified as such. 👍
The PMR 30 also comes with two 30-round magazines, and I've found them completely interchangeable between the two guns. That's 120 rounds at your ready disposal when you buy the pair.
My single shot Little Badger in 22WMR got me through the great ammo shortage of 2020, and only recently I decided to upgrade to a semi-auto. The rounds are so accurate out of a 16 inch barrel, I just decided to get an A22 with a 22 inch barrel.
Man, I nearly cried when I found out about your situation today Paul. I'm happy you're leaving us with so much quality content and funny shenanigans to go back to.
I will be adding the CMR-30 to go with my PMR-30 as another bug out option, same mags and same ammo is a real plus, you can carry lots of 22 mag without adding a lot of extra weight as well. And as always, Sir you make very entertaining and informative videos, Thank you
Weight is important, as is compactness. Bug out for sure.
Added bonus of .22 mag is it can actually inflict some damage but bullet weighs no more than 22 LR.
Changinging out pmr spring can help reliability.
Check out MCarbo for accessory upgrades , especially the stainless feed ramp and recoil Springs
better get some spare firing pins. Unless Keltec has fixed their problem. I replaced one for a friend and it had sharp corners from the machining (stress risers) and that will most always make a break there especially if not heat treated properly
I'd rather have.22 magnum due to ammo prices. If I need more power, I'll step up to.556 or.223. Thanks for the video! I enjoy all of them!
.22 magnum is cheaper to buy but the cases aren't reusable, so if you do much reloading 5.7 might end up being cheaper in the long run if you can save a decent amount of your brass.
There is an area of PA. Were, 22 mag. Is the preferred caliber for the nocturnal "harvesting " of tall 4 legged rats. If ya know know .
Maybe one day there will be enough demand for 5.7 ammo that production will increase and prices decrease. But it's doubtful it will ever be as affordable as .22 magnum due to its popularity and versatility.
The 5.7 round has never been inexpensive but the price has gotten a bit better since Ruger jumped on to it 20 yrs later. I use the 22TCM which is the USA 223 Rem case based version. Unfortunately RIA has held it close and hasn't sami certified it. I am guessing because it gives them kinda a monopoly on it.
mcarbo make upgrade kits for keltec products; polished feed ramps, billet aluminum parts etc. they really turn PMR/CMRs into effective platforms.
Good parts, but pushes price of the guns up dramatically.
@@donrichter3523 I'd rather buy an affordable weapon and put more money into it if I already love it, as opposed to paying as much up front for a weapon I don't know if I will like. Much like upgrading an afforable AR you like piece by piece
Harrell is the planet's best shooting Dental Assistant.
I really appreciate the quality of your audio and video. I am not a gun-guy, and have nothing against them, but your videos are very enjoyable. Thanks, Paul.
Another quality video from Paul Harrel. Thank you Sir.
V Max is considered a varmint bullet, but as many reloaders have found out, if reloaded to a slower velocity they will hold together and make a nice mushroom.
I've tried it myself and saw it with my own eyes.
Interesting & useful...I wonder if then loading something like a 50gr VMAX might give the same expansion vs fragmenting...w/o sacrificing the energy?
The fragmentation might be an advantage against unarmored opposition, which I assume is it's primary purpose.
@@ShastaBean
The reduced velocity is an energy killer but the weight retention gives it back .
To what extent, we didn't go that deep.
We just wanted to know if reduced velocity let the bullet hold together and it did. That's all we wanted to know at that time.
Without being at home to check, I can't even tell you what that velocity was but it was right around 1,000 fps. or a little more.
Cool.
@@CM-ve1bz Wow! I wouldn't have thought it needed to be THAT slow. Then makes me wonder at what velocity it doesn't expand at all, vs fragments into pieces and whether that window of just mushrooming is so tight it's not even worth trying to reliably achieve.
This is a great vid, particularly the beeves bawl'n in the mic back-ground! Very interesting these bullet velocities. Thanks. (Miss those pop-tart intros!)
As a long time 22 Magnum fan, I understand your choice of 40 grain for the little magnum based on traditional loadings, but out of curiosity, I checked my vast collection of 22 magnums. I literally have one box of 40 grain projectiles. The majority are 31 or 33. They are much faster and flatter shooting then the older traditional loadings. Speed wise, they are definitely comparable to the 5.7 albeit with a lighter projectile. The damage they do is pretty impressive and is why I use them instead of the 40 grain. I use 45 and 50 grain for specific purposes as well. But, I do find the 5.7 very interesting and would love to see manufacturers produce small, high quality, carry pistols in that caliber, as I think they would be great for my daughters and many others, and be more reliable than a rimfire. It doesn’t seem nearly as versatile as the 22 magnum regarding different bullet weights, bullet construction, and firearms offered , but for self defense purposes, I definitely see the benefit. Thanks for the video.
The 5.7 does give more options if going after larger game. Protection is also a consideration which the 5.7 offers.
The handbook for both the PMR and CMR states to use ammunition of 40grains or higher for it to cycle. I have had issues with CCI Maxi mag not cycling, usually have to use 45 - 50 grain ammunition and only have issues if I load the magazine incorrectly.
@@jasonbayles6261 I have to use 40gr CCI or my CMR won't cycle. I ran some 30(32?)gr Remington and it basically functioned like a bolt action. I had to manually cycle the bolt. Fired fine, and the accuracy was roughly the same, just didn't give me the semi-action I was looking for.
My cmr will run anything 30 grains and up. Hornsby vmax. The Remington 33 g green tip all work great for me!
There are manufacturers making pistols in 5.7, FN does so does ruger and now rock island is, all of which are getting excellent reviews
Hi Paul ! T day 2 days . Looking forward to you special . Ham and yam was great ! Advice on dating true . I wish the industry would get past short barrels .
Shoot your muzzle loaders for us .
I liked you cap and ball revolver .
My new neighbor is a disabled Marine .
Highest respect and gratitude .
Only advantage to the 5.7 is you can reload it. The fragmenting depending on use is the only downside. Thanks for the information, Paul, another great video.
That fragmenting does more damage and will drop anything it hits quicker when those pieces are shredding the lungs.
I don't know from experience, but I understand 5.7 is a trick to reload.
That, and it's inherently more reliable being centerfire...
5.7X28 has no case taper to speak of, that why the P90 can have a perfectly straight 50-round mag. The downside of this perfectly straight cartridge is the cartridge experiences a lot of friction during extraction, because of this factory ammo has a dry film lubricant applied to aid in extraction. I am sure that the lubricant is not completely used up after one firing but I couldn't say how many firings a piece of brass could take before this lubricant is completely gone and you start to get brass stuck in the chamber. It may be possible to apply more lubricant by coating the finished cartridges in wax or something but I have never tried it so I can't say if that would work or not. My point is that 5.7x28 is not as simple to reload as some other calibers.
@@miketyson8933 That is true, but the .22 WMR will work for small game as well as defense. .22 WMR is not my first choice for personal protection, but I agree with Paul that a pistol/rifle combo is the best option. Not beating on Ruger or Kel-Tec. Just would not want to small game hunt with 5.7. I might want to eat what I shot.
I have the PMR 30 and it does come with a learning curve to get familiar with loading the magazine, it can be a pain the get the last 5 shells in it. Mine did loosen up a bit after a few boxes of ammo and I enjoy shooting it, it’s a lot cheaper to plink with than a larger handgun . Any day having a good time with guns can’t be all bad. Great video as always.
Another underly fantastic review by Mr.Harrell
Think you mean udderly.
Yep , dang spellcheck!
Mess with the spellcheck, you get the horns.
Every time Paul mentions two things I sit up and look for the inevitable bird.. It never disappoints
Very subtle, I love it…😂
There is a trick to loading PMR/CMR magazines that only requires your hands.
Yes, they still take an inordinate amount of concentration.
If you hold the magazine in your dominant hand so the spine is towards your palm, you use your index finge to push round down and in while your non-dominant hand feeds rounds.
At about round 15, you have to begin tapping the mag between rounds.
Yeah, it's a process.
Any modern gun that takes more care to load than my musket, isn't a gun for me.
@@FoulPet Yes. There is that. But having 30 rounds in a magazine pre-loaded does take some of the wind out of your sails.
Glock mags have very stiff springs too, and loading them is a chore. Glock includes loading devices with guns, standard.
Great video, as always, Paul. I've had a CMR-30 for several years. It's sort of a novelty gun, for me, bought because I love the Kel-Tec "Space Gun" looks. I've put probably close to 1000 rounds through it, mostly at the range, and it's performed very well. As I was watching the video, I couldn't recall having any magazine loading issues with mine, so I pulled out my magazines and loaded them up to 30 rounds while watching. They both loaded to full capacity without any assistive devices, or issues (unloading them kind of sucked, though). Obviously, that doesn't reflect your experience, and, as we all know, anecdotes do not equal data, but that issue may not be universal to all PMR/CMR magazines.
Thanks again for the great videos!
Good to know.
I have found unloading a PMR/CMR magazine a serious pain. Only issue I have with the PMR and CMR is that both don't cycle well with CCI Maxi mag.
Amazing video as always Paul. I’m doing a series on 22 mag for home defense right now with tons of ballistic tests and am so glad you did this video. If you don’t mind I’ve shared the heck out of this video already.
Grand effort all around. It speaks volumes that dang near every comment is about your presentation. To this, I say bravo. As well, the content "versus" match is one I've always wanted to see. I find myself routinely chewing for the under dog, it's good to see it came out on top this time. Kudos to Kel-Tec.
I'm eagerly awaiting the 2022 thanksgiving special. I've made it tradition to watch at my parents house whilst preparing our own thanksgiving dinner.
As always, a very informative presentation.
Edit: I agree that a forward assist of some sort is a must on any semi-auto rifle/carbine. A clean rifle may not need it often, but if you aren't keeping up with your cleaning or encounter ammo the action doesn't agree with, you'll find yourself wishing your go to rifle had a forward assist.
Forward assist is extremely useful if shooting a DI AR in .223 and running a suppressor, especially when I’m not ready to stop shooting for the day.
I also am eagerly awaiting the Thanksgiving drop. Thanks Paul !
I agree about the forward assist I have heard these arguments about the ar15 not needing it and such but it seems like a thing that is better to have and not need than need and not have if you have a spring or gassing malfunction you might be short just that little bit and not be able to fire anymore if you cannot close the chamber
Great "grumpy old man" video!
Informative as usual, always educational, and entertaining.
Reference those mags, if I need more than thirty or sixty rounds for shooting varmint, I need either a new eyeglass prescrip or a much smaller property.
Always good to know that there's another Marine out there my age who is more stuck in his ways than I am.
Completely with you about the forward assist, those young whippersnackers have no idea what they're talking about.
Both calibers really moooooove it down range.
Yeah thought the voices in my head were back but, then i realized it was the cattle in the video.
@@curtisc6768 nope, we’re still here (and in your walls)
@@nfaisnfgay Damn it i knew it!! time to get my tinfoil hat back on.
Paul, love you dude. You always make me laugh, in the best way. Most of all I love your attention to detail and your concise speech. Keep it up, I'm a fan for life.
That Bird Flip was Smooth 😂
The bird gets me every time. I may be 41 but I giggle like a teenager every single time.
Love how you can hear the comments to the video starting at around 0:02:15
Honestly I think the comparative effectiveness is moot considering the difference in feed reliability across the range of weapons of either cal.
I'd rather listen to Paul talk about firearms than anyone else I can think of. Keep the faith...
Just hours away from the Thanksgiving Special! I'm looking forward to that moreso than my in-laws!!!
Can’t believe I just found your channel. Awesome stuff. You clearly know what you’re talking about and have a great attention to detail
Straight up honest review, good points presented that I may not have thought of, but very important! I have to give it to kilter for consistent outside the box thinking, though not always nicely executed. Excellent video!
Filled the 40 min wait for the Aus vs France World Cup game. Paul you're a genius
'Supremely' detailed and useful, Paul! Thanks so much for the work you do.
I got a CMR 30 and there is no gun in my safes that I like more. Everything that Paul mentioned is consistent with my experience, hate the mag release but LOVE Everything else.
Another well-presented video brought to us by Paul and the crew. Thank you all very much.
Me patiently wait for the thanksgiving day special 🦃 🤤
Another great presentation, Paul Thanks !!
As usual, Paul provides good information. Personally, I don't consider either the 5.7 or .22 magnum first (or even second) choices for personal defense. To me they're "ranch rifles" that I would carry in the truck to dispatch small game or nuisance serpents. As such, none of the negatives of either of them are deal-breakers for me. I'd probably go with the Keltec for its compactness and the much cheaper ammo. Still, either of them would be suitable for that purpose so there's no real wrong answer.
Aye, I'd love to see a FK7.5 conversion, 90 grains at the same velocity as 5.7 really makes the 5.7 look like what it is. Just need dies and bullets for it to avoid going broke.
I have the CMR30 (and the PMR30), it fits nicely into a small backpack or hides under stuff very well!!
More people have been killed by 22lr than any other round, I am significantly less concerned about stopping power if attacked when I have another 29 rounds left in the magazine to attempt/frantically magdump at a headshot, especially with hollow or soft points.
Mr. Smith. Nope.
More people, under civilian usage, have been SHOT by .22LR, not killed.
Get your stats together.
9mm is the leader for pistol caliber, btw
@@JD-tn5lz If you only count the US maybe.
Great video as always Paul, thanks a ton
And man you weren't kidding, that sun was setting *fast* !
Nothing cures a hangover like being out on our "range" today.
I was so Moooootivated to watch this latest vid from Paul. Happy Thanksgiving everybody
How is he not at a million subscribers yet is beyond me
I hope when he gets his youtube award he just shoots it lol
He was around 90k when I started watching. I'm glad he's gotten a lot more, but he's still underrated.
Spread the word. He deserves that measly 1MIL subscribers for certain.
Not to be an ass but safety equipment. I’m not a stickler but lead(or influence) by example.
Entertaining and informative presentation as usual PH, thank you!
Love my CMR. Even though. 22 mag isn't cheap it's a lot cheaper and easier to find than the 57. For my use here on the farm the super lightweight CMR and it's 30 round mags make it awesome.
As always , you have great info
Still in the middle of the 114 shuffle here in Oregon, a very dark time for the country. Perhaps after this settles down you could consider a video on the effects extreme temperature changes from leaving magazines and ammunition in a vehicle for days or weeks might have on reliability and accuracy. Anyways, thank you for the wealth of knowledge and entertainment you give freely to the world, it is appreciated.
I had just looked at one of these the other day at my local shop. Good to see you testing it!
7:57 Paul casually flipping off the people who insist he should be using Mil/LE only ammo for the 5.7.
I noticed that to. Funny.
I missed it, subtle.
I thought it was clever at 7:58 you gave critiques (ref ammunition) the middle finger. Anyhow, thanks for what you do. Always thorough and well done. Strong work!!! DOL
Those cows are excited for the review.
I watched your whole video from start to finish. The presentation is exceptionally informative.
I love this video. For that small amount of difference I think I’ll stick with my CMR 30 and spend a whole lot less on ammo cost. 5.7x28 is crazy spendy.
Hallelujah. You're the first GunTuber, and expert one at that, to mention the placement of the Keltec mag release and how difficult it is to load the magazines. I had the pistol for awhile and when carrying it in a holster everytime my elbow touched the butt of the gun it released the magazine. Sometimes the magazine would drop out on the draw or it would just be out enough so the 2nd round wouldn't be picked up.
You just did many folks a favor that were thinking about purchasing either version, pistol or carbine, and showing the folks that already own one that they are not alone.
It even happened to Hickok45 while he was doing a review on the pistol but he didn't even mention it. That was not like him at all. Especially on an issue that is not about just like or dislike of a feature but a feature that unbeknownst to you could turn your 30 or 31 round weapon into a single shot.
So good on you Sir.
A lot of TH-camrs create content. Paul Harrell makes presentations.
Hey man your comprehensive reviews and personality make for some of the best gun content on TH-cam. Keep up the awesome work and I made sure to subscribe
Im sitting here in the UK, its raining (of course) cup of tea in one hand, wondering why im not living in the states.....
These are legal in the UK.
@@throwawaytrash33 They might be, but do you have any idea of the crap you have to go through to get a license? the back ground checks, police checks..etc...you can be waiting years.
That flip-off was perfect.
If Paul ever wants to change the name of this channel for some reason, or create a second channel, here is the name that will give everyone a chuckle: The Average Shooter
I'm a CMR30 owner and I have a couple of points to make:
1. I need to buy Armscor 40gr .22wmr pronto. CCI's Maxi Mag is the defacto standard ammo recommended by KelTec for the CMR30 but it appears that it's not hitting the advertised velocity whereas the Amrscor stuff is rather close to it's advertised 1857fps.
2. Getting used to the mag release, particularly for rapid reload situations, I think is easier if you have larger hands as I do. Even for "normal" reloads, I basically shift my grip to put pressure on the button to release and with my free hand I can drop and reload. If I needed to drop the mag and not care if I recovered it or not, a simple flick of the wrist while pressing the button in the same manner will send it flying and I can reload even faster.
3. The magazines ARE ridiculously difficult to reload. They also require a break-in period in order to get them to hold the full 30 rounds. I have two M-Carbo speedloaders for mine and I"ve found that using them are the only way to reload.
4. That your CMR has only had the one malfunction is nothing short of a miracle. Mine, regardless of which magazine I use and fairly consistently, will fire the first round and fail to chamber the second, requiring me to pull the bolt release and release it in order to chamber the next round. After that I can usually empty a magazine without any issues depending on the ammo (in fact I have one such video illustrating that issue in my channel).
5. Of the three rifles I own, I've long considered the CMR my rifle of choice for home defense over my Keltec Sub2000 (9mm w/Glock 17 mags) or my AR15 mainly because of fear of over penetration. I do have some of those Remington soft points in a magazine and I'd now be hesitant to use them due to the way they sailed through the meat target. I'd probably feel more comfortable using my Federal 50gr hollow points as they're slower and shouldn't have that issue, or I'd probably be better off grabbing the Sub2000 with a magazine full of slow, heavy JHP's (I have a mag loaded with 147gr Sig Elite JHP's).
I'm really fond of my CMR30. I'm quite accurate with it using irons or my red dot. I usually transport it in a backpack due to it's size, and I find it reliable. Here's hoping Paul gets used to his!
Great review / comparison Paul...I've been looking at both of these and i am a long time fan of 22mag for varmits. Since that's all i would use it for anyway and i like the savings on ammo, weight and compactness going for keltec. Better options than both of these for shtf
My wife an me ,we apreceate the steps an all the test you do ,keep us informed mr Paul
I hope this doesn’t mean we aren’t going to get the annual Thanksgiving episode too
I don’t think it does, this was probably filmed a week ago or more.
He already promised a Thanksgiving presentation for this year, don't worry.
Perish the thought!!
@@rob6850 I figured. The man is a legend and we get a double feature
There's always the possiblity of catastrophe, but Thanksgiving special should be on line Thurs. morning.
Paul's sense of humor on display, pointing to himself saying "the average shooter"!
Great video as always. As someone who is a bit of a fan of .22 Magnum and the idea that it is more than a slightly more powerful .22LR I enjoyed seeing that, while the 5.7 beat it in velocity and damage to the meat target, there was nothing shabby about the .22 Mag performance. Given that I own .22 Mag rifles and handguns, can still buy .22 Mag ammo even at Walmart but don't ever recall seeing 5.7 in a brick and mortar store in my area that made me happy. I've said all along that the PMR didn't interest me much because of it's size but that the CMR does sound interesting so I really appreciated this test. I've also been checking out reviews of the Rossi semiauto in .22 Mag and it looks interesting, as well. Thank you.
.22WMR is more than a just a little more powerful .22LR. It is a completely different cartridge. Unlike the .22LR the .22WMR uses conventional bullets that are crimped into the case as opposed to the heal based bullets of the .22LR. What this means is that the .22WMR bullets do not move in the case and do not require outside lubrication.
Out of rifles the .22WMR is vastly superior to the .22LR in every respect.
@@cvr527 Yep. A non-heeled bullet with a true jacket, not a copper wash (except Winchester Dynapoint .22 Mag which is meant to mimic the old WRF round) and a lot more velocity.
Another great video. No nonsense and the info really is helpful. Either of these PCC’s would be handy to keep in a go-bag as a possible option to a .22 LR. Very interesting, thank you Paul.
I'll have you know that Sub-Four Tallywacker is absolutely worth presenting as viable ammunition. Officially banned though it is from the civilian market, acquiring it is as easy as going to your local Dollar General and telling that one guy (you know the one) that you "simply must receive *the business* he has to offer, and won't take 'no' for an answer." You may need to throw in a wink to convince him you're cool.
Thank you for all the great work you do. No fluff, politics, fake excitement or silly stunts, just straight and honest gun science.
... And somebody please feed those cows!
First shot, 2020.
Both the velocity, and the vision needed to read the chronograph at that distance.
This is one of the greatest and most informative channels on TH-cam!
CMR30 seems like it might be a good candidate for feral pig control. And that 30 round mag might be rather handy.
Thanks for the pre-Thanksgiving appetizer Paul!