At work I prefer a TKL with a separate numpad on the left. I do a lot of CAD at work and i like being able to input numbers quickly w/out having to take my hand off the mouse. I am really surprised with how many people are saying they dont use the numpad. It's sooo much faster than trying pick numbers out of a line
i think its preference. i myself is a full keyboard fan. i dont usually use them as numpad i bind them for something else and the enter key next to my right thumb is perfect.
Yeah, the numpad is the business when it comes to numerical data entry (punching in account numbers without it sucks)... but otherwise, it's kind of redundant. I mean, when I'm not at work, the numpad on my Logitech is basically a dust trap.
doesn't numpads feature most of the arrow keys and insert to pg-down button if you toggle numlock, could probably achieve something if you cut out arrow keys instead of the numpad it would be one more row of buttons though. paying stuff would be annoying without a numpad.
I bought a tkl, and quickly learned how often I used that side enter.. It was tough getting used it, but I don't think I will go back. I love how much space I have now. Now that I think of it, my mouse has a button I never use. Maybe I could program it to function as an enter key!
Commissioner Johnson thanks for the suggestions! However, Ill probably just stick with what I have for the moment. I spent my budget on a new graphics card and monitor. It shouldn't take too long to develop new muscle memory..
some have removeable numpads. but i dont see any real advantage in placing it to the left. for normal writing it would be a hindrance and for gamer it would be same as macro keys. plus perhaps there are other people like me. even a small row of macro keys makes a keyboard damn uncomfortable for me.
@@TheHomerGE it's pretty obvious what the advantage is: you get the ergonomics of TKL + mouse but the functionality of a 100%kb. The only downside compared to a traditional setup is getting used to using the numpad with your left hand.
i remember the game "golden axe" that we play in PC. if your playing 2 players the player 1 uses the left side of the board and the player 2 uses the numpad. i guess that time full sized keyboards are useful in games lol
Bought a TKL keyboard and have been super happy with it (MX Brown + CoolerMaster MasterKeys Pro S). About 2 months later I started regretting it when college classes started up and I had a MS Access and MS Excel classes back to back so I grabbed a wireless numpad on Amazon for $8. Now that those classes are over, I re-mapped it to be a macro-pad. Thing is super useful and runs off 1 AAA battery.
Love my TKL and it's actually uncomfortable when I have to use a full sized keyboard. The prices used to be lower for TKL (which was logical) but then the manufacturers got onto it I guess...
Just bought a KB Paradise V60 Mini with black gateron switches off Massdrop. It's a 60% board, so the function row, arrowkeys and pgup/down/home/del keys are under macros. Really happy to be sizing down from a Steelseries 6GV2!
I don't know, I couldn't live without typing numbers quickly in the pad and having all my shortcuts on there D: But I do like the fact that you could save the space which I could need right now.
For me it's the latter reason that you listed that keeps me with full size keyboards - I have macros set to all the numkeys - and also the positive of having the numpad there for quick entry when I use it for that purpose (which isn't all that often, but it helps). I do also find myself using the side enter a fair bit too, so there's that.
Harambabe I got used to not use it in only 2 days. And I'm never looking back at a full keyboard. TKL just makes everything so easier. And you don't have to pay for a numpad you barely use, assuming you're mostly gaming on your PC and don't enter too many numbers everyday.
these arguments make sens... for an english keyboard. Because on my french one for example I really need an numpad to write numbers without switching to caps to use the one over the letters because these are already used for our special letters such as éèçà and so on.
I used a TKL until I've started to work with programming seriously. Then I went back to my old Mionix ZIBAL 60, which I've found to be an absolute wonder. Solid build, perfect wristrest, and the full size is alot easier for me to code on than my TKL K65 ever was. Granted I do not use the numpad that often, but i find it alot easier than having a separate one connected to my computer whenever I'm paying bills and such. ALSO: Cherry MX black switches are totally underrated, as is this Mionix Zibal 60 keyboard.
Just remember, you need a concealed carry permit in certain states. State troopers take a very dim view of young people openly waving keyboards about with gay abandon. Someone could lose an eye.
Nice video concept. I don't know where I stand on the subject TBH. I have a full size and have had full size KBs for a long time. I don't use the numpad very often but feel I'd miss it if it wasn't there. Truth is I would no doubt get used to working with out it. Think I'd have to try one for a while along side my full size one to see. Good job as ever dude
Been on TKL 87 keys for years and have never looked back. I currently use the Corsair K65 Rapidfire RGB, I love the small form factor on TKLs because it saves space on my cluttered desk, and it allows me to position my mouse closer to my keyboard.
Yes they are right for me! I love having more desk space for my mouse and love having less sized keyboards! I never thought I would say that, but i went on the 10 keyless kick about a year ago...and never ever went back o.o they are ultra amazing and allow for so much for desk space, flexibility, mouse space and precision. AND the mouse is literally RIGHT THERE next to you and you press enter. i used the numpad maybe 3 percent of the time lol. it's great im never going back to the other ones
During my fat days(105KG), a Full-size keyboard was never a problem for me as a gamer but never since I've lost weight about 36KG, I have an issue opening up my armpits and switched to TKL. But I really miss the num pad as a person who does a lot of math, but I got to use it quickly. Realforce TKL 55g ftw.
Dmitry, I like your approach of listing more pros & cons of reduced size keyboards, but as a happy user of a fullsize Quickfire XT, I feel like I must correct you a bit or simply disagree on a few accounts ;) 1. First off a little PSA: You don't need fancy macro functionality built into your keyboard to remap keys and assign various functions to them. In Linux under X11 use xkb keymaps, and in Windows, use AutoHotkey. This is how I reassigned the volume keys on my Quickfire XT to launching some applications and the right Ctrl to Menu (since this board doesn't have a Menu key and I use it all the time). When it comes to Windows software, there is probably not a single program out there that's as tiny, useful and beautifully robust as AutoHotkey. 2. A fullsize keyboard does not have to overlap with your mousepad, and even if it does, it doesn't have to be at an awkward angle. If you have a large mousepad, remember that you can rotate it to match or almost-match the orientation of the keyboard. It's not a bad idea even on its own, especially for FPS gamers, because it can give you more room for sideways movement of your mouse. 3. Your hands (and forearms) are in a more natural position when closer together, but many people, including me, prefer their hands (and forearms) to be slightly further apart. Take a look at pro gamers at LAN tournaments - some have their mouse and keyboard close together, some prefer a more spread out layout. This means that many people wouldn't necessarily decrease the distance between their hands even if they had a reduced size keyboard. 4. You don't have to rotate a fullsize keyboard to use it comfortably. Back to pro gamers at LANs - many of them have their keyboards rotated and such, but that is because of their overall setup, sitting position, forearm placement and so on, rather than because of their keyboards being large. I think there are pros who use reduced size keyboards and still place them at ridiculous angles. I have my fullsize keyboard perfectly straight on my desk. Every time I tried typing or gaming while having it rotated I felt less comfortable and went back to having it aligned with the desk immediately. 5. Having the keyboard offset to the side from the centre of the screen is not necessarily a bad thing. It's not 100% perfect for typing a lot, but it is preferable for gaming, and it helps with using the mouse (i.e. not having to extend your mouse hand further away than your other hand). 6. On a more subjective note: I have become so accustomed to a fullsize keyboard, that I feel restricted when I can't use all the keys. For example, in CS:GO, I stumble with buying items through the menu, because normally I have all the necessary item buys bound to keys on the number pad. In general, I find the presence of a number pad very convenient for various tasks and keybinds.
Fully agree with you on the AutoHotKey thing, it's been a lifesaver over the years. Thing is, a lot of my AHK macros are set to the numpad, so I'd have to relearn everything in terms of where I wanted to put those if I decided to switch from that, and I'm not sure I want to do that... so I'm more than happy to stay with the full keyboard. As it is, my keyboard/mouse drawer in my desk can fit both very easily without any problems, so the only positive for switching would be travel distance, and for me that's not really an issue either. As you said, there are many positives for those of us who like their full size boards too, so it basically comes down to personal preference.
I just love it. I am using the Asus ROG Claymore Core and it's just perfect. Fully customizable and everything else you could want. And it's cheaper than the bigger version, even if you don't like you can just buy the numpad itself and click it on the main part.. on either side
There is actually such keyboard. it's called Claymore by Asus. There are some comments on it being easily flexed due to the nature of detaching, but as you mentioned you don't care about it so you can definitely check it out :)
How about the Tesoro Tizona? They use Kailh switches and they don't seem to get many positive reviews but they have a usb port on the left and right sides where you can attach a numpad.
The Tesoro Tizona is the ONLY keyboard I have been able to find that allows you to attach the keypad to the left. For me that would be the ideal side for the keypad as it allows me to move my hands closer when gaming and allow for mouse use when enter numbers which I do several times a day and kind of rely on my numpad but I just wish I could move it to the left which would be a much better spot for me. Also the Tesoro Tizona is pretty cheap with its starting price of $70 comapred to something like the Claymore which is $150 for just the core and $250-$290 for the full keyboard including the numpad.
I would never be able to do with a TKL keyboard. The numpad is great. Typing in my card number for online shopping, entering equations in excel spreadsheets, using it as extra hotkeys in RPGs, etc. I just can't do without it when I'm using a desktop. I make use of most of the extra keys fairly regularly, and it doesn't really take up that much more space. Of course, I also have a relatively small mousepad (with high mouse sensitivity) so the keyboard overlapping the pad isn't an issue at all for me, if I couldn't accurately use a high sensitivity mouse it would be more important to allocate space to a larger mousepad. And if I'm on the go and using a laptop, well, there's already a keyboard built in and I would argue that even if a TKL is more portable why would you do that? Just use the keyboard that's built into the laptop.
I like a TKL for couch gaming, but I'm still too reliant on the number pad to make the switch elsewhere. For me, I think the ideal solution would be a left-handed number pad. It would also allow me to enter numbers while still keeping my right hand on the mouse. Maybe I'll eventually move to a TKL with a separate number pad. Of course, I'm still using a G13 & macro keys on my main keyboard as well, so it might just end up being too much on the left.
The one and only negative thing about TKL keyboards, and thus why I don't own one is the lack of media keys. I love the play/pause and volume control on the Corsair keyboards.
chrmez That's true but aren't there some mice that have extra button for multimedia stuff as well? I have the cm masterkeys pro s and it has media keys though behind a click of an "fn" button
It honestly just depends on how useful the num pad is to you. If you use it quite often, then use a full sized keyboard. If they are not too useful to you, then you should consider a TKL.
You're spot on about the lack of side enter key being the thing that you'll notice the most when you're switching. But once you use your TKL keyboard for a few days and get used to it, there's no going back. Seriously, unless you're someone who works with numbers a lot, there's no reason why TKL keyboards are not the standard.
I’ve literally never had to use a numpad since the day I was old enough to use a keyboard. It’s a waste of space and I’m looking forward to upgrading to a TKL.
yes it has a smaller footprint, but only by like 3-4 inches. i mean i understand situations that 3-4 inches could be important, but if its just gonna stay on your desk its whole life, just get a full size. its cheaper, you get the numpad and right enter key
As much as I like the idea and feel of TKLs, they could never become my daily driver. I've grown up with the full size boards, and have always used the numpad for number typing and macros in games. That being said, I was one of the people who helped Kickstart the Wooting Analogue keyboard, which happens to be TKL. Who knows - Maybe they'll convince me otherwise? The price difference is definitely down to supply and demand. If you look at extreme cases like the Ergodox, or even just keycap sets, you will quickly see how seemingly cheaper things end up being more costly overall.
Hey man as I was interested in the same keyboard as you, I just tried and googled fox keyboard (because of the key with a fox on it) and i found it. It's "WhiteFox keyboard" ;)
TKL are more expensive because the demand is less than for full sized keyboards. This means they have to spread the manufacture, distribution and marketing cost to fewer units, hence the price is higher. Also in production they need to create a separate manufacturing line to accommodate the different parts in some cases readjust the whole assembly process. . In goods manufacturing economics, the higher the quantity produced for a product using the same components, assembly line, labour, and so on, the cheaper it will be. Just because it has 1has 17 less switches, caps and 20% less plastic, aluminum, solder, pcb, is not enough to drive the price down.
This video feels like he's SUPER biased towards TKL keyboards.... "TKL Looks better on your desk" - Entirely subjective "Full Size will overlap with mousepad and be wobbly" - Uhh.. Only if you overlap them, and do so in a silly way... "Keyboard will be centered in front of your monitor" - Can still do that with a full size, and if it's off center, so what? "TKL keyboards have better build quality" - Uhhh.... wat? "Don't even mention the missing num pad" - Uhh.. Yeah.. Let's just gloss right over the biggest disadvantage. Who ever types numbers in their computer anyways? Absolutely no mention of the fact that TKL keyboards are more often missing media and macro keys. TKLs have their place, but this video should be titled "Why I Like TKL Keyboards" and not passed off as advice for others.
How on earth can you center a non-tkl keyboard in front of your monitor? Please do tell me. Also, the reason why I went with a tkl keyboard personally is so that I could center my keyboard in front of my monitor. I found it was a real pain in the butt whenever I wanted to start typing but my left hand and right hand would be at completely different lengths away from the keyboard thereby making my typing experience absolutely abysmal.
while I would agree that TKL looking better on your desk is subjective, the point of having a full size keyboard centered and having no issues is not always the case as it more often than not depends on the size of your monitor and having the keyboard centered can help you to feel less tired after spending hours typing something (not to mention the streches you should do on a regular basis), the point of better build quality is just for the fact that they flex less during transportation - but that is an irrelevant point to you isn't it? the missing num pad is the whole reason you would consider a TKL board and not a medium sized one he mentioned at the start of the video. he also DID mention the lack of dedicated media controls as for macro keys - they don't belong on a keyboard you would get only for the reason of having a minimalist setup (which he is mainly focusing his attention on in the video anyways)
4:42 "Moving on to the negatives... And don't even mention the lack of numpad..." TKL with a separate numpad is an option if you need to enter a lot of numbers occasionally, or prefer the numpad on the left-hand side.
Pytte how often do you enter keys? Two possible answers: a) very often - you should be proficient enough with top row as well as the numpad = no problem b) not often enough for you to care = no problem
To not have the problem where my keyboard overlaps with my mousepad, I just got an enormous mousepad that is 120x50cm that now covers my whole table! :D I think one of the main reason why build quality is better on a TKL keyboard - is that it's for a narrow market or an enthusiast market :) They're more expensive because it's a niche market - TKL is probably chosen by those who just wants one, and it's not like they need one - so they're more expensive, because people who just WANTS one, are often willing to pay more.
I've been using a TKL for about a year and I'm really happy with it. It's really portable and it takes very little space on my desk, since it's not that big. The lack of numpad hasn't been a big deal for me, but if I ever need it intensively I'll just get an external one, with the benefit of being able to place it wherever I want. You can even get them mechanical now, I've seen a few in places like massdrop.
I've used a 60% for gaming for the past year. It's awesome but it doesn't work good for coding. Sometimes I wish i bought a 65% or tkl for the arrow keys.
@@adamdankson448 I haven't played any games that required them. I primarily play fps if that helps. The 60% saves so much desk space so if you're wanting a kb just for gaming i recommend getting a 60% or 65%.
Trey Grogan thanks I just don’t want to get into a game that does require functions. I’m new to pc gaming and don’t know if I like mobas and wanna know how often u use functions in them
if you want a solid tkl keyboard get the corsair k65. perfect starter keyboard and cheap as well. if you want to get better quality go for masterkeys tkl. from there ducky or wasd. up2u.
Savva Moser £60 or so is pretty cheap for a decent quality keyboard with genuine Cherry MX switches. I've had the K65 for a couple of years - after having played around with far more expensive options trying to find something I liked - and it's an excellent TKL.
That middle sized keyboard are usually called TK, or "TenKey" keyboards, because they combine the numpad with the page and arrow keys. I find that these keyboards are a lot better and more functional than TKL keyboards, because you still have the functionality of the full keyboards, while getting more desk space and the smaller, sleeker design. I currently have the Cooler Master Quickfire TK. I'm really hoping they release an RGB Masterkeys M keyboard sometime in the future. It's essentially the same as the Quickfire TK, except with that sweet RGB lighting scheme.
not worth getting a TKL IMO, removes versatility. also, he did not mention anything about doing any sort of math or school work. It's terrible using a TKL. you NEED that Num pad to be entering a large volume of numbers! torture without and shit tons of mistakes due to the spread. Also, this review was horrible as this guy was obviously extremely biased towards TKL. he should have titled it "Why i think TKL keyboards are better." DERRR
TKL are stupid (i own one). What we really need is 'lefty keyboard', where they arrow part and the numpad part are on the left side. Having these extra key on the right side made sense before the mouse. But fully removing them is stupid because we could just move them to the right side instead. HardwareCuck, find us decent lefty mechanical keyboards and do a review. I would disable my ads block for this.
That is just your preference. Having arrow on the left side is not 'weirder' than not having them at all. I'll rather have room for the mouse where the arrow/numpad are... and have the arrow/numpad on the left side in case i ever need them.
But by moving the arrows and the numpad to the left, the keyboard length remains the same, so you wouldn't gain any extra mouse room. (I'm a lefty myself, and did fine all my life with regular full sized keyboards. I just got a K65 and I'm looking it)
"But by moving the arrows and the numpad to the left, the keyboard length remains the same" Irrelevant because you center the keyboard on the space bar. Whatever hang over the other side don't matter. As long as there are 'close to' center room for the mouse on the other side.
Never tried one but I do use the numpad quite a lot so I don't really see myself getting one, but I can understand lots of people would like this over the traditional design. The thing is, I think, when it comes to sizes of things you can't ever go beyond a certain point without making sacrifices. I don't mind regular size keyboards, though. I have a tt eSports X1 and I'm loving it.
I've been using a TKL (Strike Battle) for quite long, and yes, smaller keyboards are more handy in most cases. Now I'm using a Logitech K810 (yes, that's right, laptop-like and bluetooth!) and I freaking love it. I've typed on a macbook pro for 4 years or so and I suddenly realized I really love that form factor. So if you want something like a mac keyboard, but for windows & linux and don't want to buy the Apple one, chech that out. Small, really handy (3 bluetooth profiles) and reeeeally confortable to use.
Got into the idea of a TKL thanks to Corsair and their K70, but after dealing with some design issues (personal, not functional) I sold the K70 and got the CoolerMaster Pro Key S and have loved it ever since. Super compact, saves space and just feels amazing. I *HIGHLY* recommend getting a TKL for saving space. Yes I still miss the numpad but you can always get a cheapo bluetooth one with a dongle and have that on the side for when you're number crunching like a madman.
I spilled a full glass of water on my Corsair K63 10-keyless keyboard 2 days ago. The backlights were flashing and it didn't work. Blew out the water I could with canned air and set it upside down on a pillow today I plugged it in and it works as it should. Love this keyboard, don't need a numpad, only cost $80.00 USD. So happy I didn't kill it.
I started out doing everything on a typewriter so I type alphanumerically. A TKL just fits better as I don't use the ten key anyway. I don't go from the letter to number keys by changing my hand position like I see a lot of younger people do. I type and register numbers without having to change my hand position which saves a lot of time over a day especially when in putting license info.
I'm a software dev and avid gamer. I've never missed the numpad. Except for hotseat Samurai Showdown tournaments in MAME on one keyboard. MAME is probably the only time i've used the num pad significantly. One could use it for inputing say ip addresses or doing calculations, but I've adjusted to the num row so I'm more comfortable with it now, so it's probably a matter of habbit. TKL all the way, especially mechanical ones.
Although the keyboards might be more expensive in my opinion they are much more efficient. For example if you are in a work space it will take up less room unlike a full size keyboard. They are also more comfortable and much more minimal so for a clean setup I recommend going with TKL keyboards.
My desk space is restricted. With my old keyboard, I had to use a small mousepad, and my mouse bumped into the keyboard when I tried to quickly aim to the left. This happened often enough to be a problem, so I got myself a tenkeyless keyboard (made the upgrade to a mechanical keyboard while I was at it as well, definitely don't regret that either), and now I have a medium mousepad, which, given the fact that I play on relatively low/medium sensitivity, is more than enough space for everything except EXTREME air strafing. So yeah, if you don't have a lot of space, a TKL keyboard can make a world's difference.
I just got one a couple days ago. My answer is yes. Redragon K552. Coming from a Cooler Master with Cherry MX Blue keys...you should really consider the Redragon. Great $38 mechanical keyboard if you want TKL. My Cooler master is the keyboard that combines the 10key and whatever that section of keys is called by the arrow keys, I agree with everything in this video
Love love love love my Quickfire TK (CM Storms). Best of both worlds. I'm good with a numpad so I'm glad it's still all there but my desk, the way it's laid out, doesn't give me much room for a keyboard, this was perfect.
I've just got myself a TLK Keyboard. It's just perfect for my working environment. I switch between the keyboard & the mouse a lot. You are right about the Enter key. Suddenly I found out that I used that key a lot. But considering the comfort I have now, it's not a problem.
I have quite a few keyboards. TKL is the best IMO. Numpad is alright for number typing, but i don't use it enough to warrant the space wastage and the slight annoyance of having my mouse further away. 60% for me is overall a gimmick even though i'm a VIM user. Windows still requires arrow keys and using FN for additional actions/arrows/other layers just feels clumsy to me.
I love TKL boards. I've owned a couple TKL's (currently using a CM Masterkeys Pro M RGB) and got used to them over and right now I can't force myself to go back to a fullsize anymore. :)
I like my full size keyboards. Cheaper, have the enter key accessible to the right hand thumb and additional keys for volume control right above the numpad. I may not use the numpad but those additional keys are so useful.
I tried a TKL keyboard for a while but just couldn't get used to it, I much prefer having an actual keypad on a full size keyboard. Old habits die hard I guess I also have to enter French accented characters frequently so the numpad is essential for me. To each their own obviously ... buy what suits you best.
I bought the Red Dragon Kumara Mechanical TKL keyboard about 5 months ago and have loved it so far. My desk isn't necessarily cluttered with stuff, so a full length keyboard wouldn't be in the way, but I find the compact design of TKL keyboards more appealing to me personally. I only use computer for gaming, social media, and school work, so the absence of the number pad isn't that much of an issue for me.
I'm currently owning a keyboard with detachable num pad, which still is the perfect solution for me. For normal gaming & work needs my setup is TKL with macro buttons (normal combinations like Copy, Paste, ...). And if handling a larger amount of numbers is necessary I simply attach the num pad at any side of the base. And the missing macro buttons on TKL keyboards actually stop me from going mechanical, I miss the concept of detachable num pads. Products like the Asus Claymore are only missing the macro keys and wrist rest, otherwise it would be a possible succesor to my current Sidewinder X6.
i have the masterkeys pro S and it is amazing to use. tame little to no space on the desk, great typing and really good ergonomics. teally great purchase.
For all those wanting to buy TKL a keyboard Varmilo VB87m is a great option as its also wireless so, it compliments more to the portability factor. The only downside is the price (120$) and its only available on massdrop.
0:26, if all adverts were like this, there would be no need for a skip button...
Damit i bought a Master Keys Pro S, now I can't play tax accountant simulator my life is RUINED!!!!!!!!!
wait no just realized i can just buy a 7 dollar USB numb pad off ebay........ guess i can play good old tax accountant simulator again
lol
Hater Hater lol lol
Is that a real game?
skeptic moderate dude, you have the internet at your fingertips. USE IT!
At work I prefer a TKL with a separate numpad on the left. I do a lot of CAD at work and i like being able to input numbers quickly w/out having to take my hand off the mouse. I am really surprised with how many people are saying they dont use the numpad. It's sooo much faster than trying pick numbers out of a line
i think its preference. i myself is a full keyboard fan. i dont usually use them as numpad i bind them for something else and the enter key next to my right thumb is perfect.
I think I might have to try this. My desk is very limited in how much space I have on the right, but has tons of room on the left.
I love my numpad but at home i don't use it much. I would rather have the space I think. Tough choices.
Yeah, the numpad is the business when it comes to numerical data entry (punching in account numbers without it sucks)... but otherwise, it's kind of redundant. I mean, when I'm not at work, the numpad on my Logitech is basically a dust trap.
doesn't numpads feature most of the arrow keys and insert to pg-down button if you toggle numlock, could probably achieve something if you cut out arrow keys instead of the numpad it would be one more row of buttons though.
paying stuff would be annoying without a numpad.
I legit read Telekinesis keyboard
Giorgio Tomaselli ....
Noob stop trying to start fights
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It's Tekelinesis
I bought a tkl, and quickly learned how often I used that side enter.. It was tough getting used it, but I don't think I will go back. I love how much space I have now. Now that I think of it, my mouse has a button I never use. Maybe I could program it to function as an enter key!
Warren Moody for me it's the reverse: I want a tkl, but since i have a very nice full size, i learnt to use the enter in the numpad
Warren Moody that's weird I never used the enter or the numpad in my full sized keyboard.
Warren Moody check out the CM masterkeys M or the Leopold fc980m
Commissioner Johnson thanks for the suggestions! However, Ill probably just stick with what I have for the moment. I spent my budget on a new graphics card and monitor. It shouldn't take too long to develop new muscle memory..
Different yes it is weird lol. I used it mostly when salvaging gear in D3.
If one of the reasons for TKL is room/ergonomics, why have no Keyboard makers placed the numpad on the LEFT of the WASD??
Patent worthy
Messes with people’s paradigm too much. Would probably start rebellions and WWIII.
Weebaw
Rip left handed people
Bit late, but look into the keyboards from Bloody A4tech, especially the b845
some have removeable numpads.
but i dont see any real advantage in placing it to the left. for normal writing it would be a hindrance and for gamer it would be same as macro keys.
plus perhaps there are other people like me. even a small row of macro keys makes a keyboard damn uncomfortable for me.
@@TheHomerGE it's pretty obvious what the advantage is: you get the ergonomics of TKL + mouse but the functionality of a 100%kb. The only downside compared to a traditional setup is getting used to using the numpad with your left hand.
i remember the game "golden axe" that we play in PC. if your playing 2 players the player 1 uses the left side of the board and the player 2 uses the numpad. i guess that time full sized keyboards are useful in games lol
Bought a TKL keyboard and have been super happy with it (MX Brown + CoolerMaster MasterKeys Pro S). About 2 months later I started regretting it when college classes started up and I had a MS Access and MS Excel classes back to back so I grabbed a wireless numpad on Amazon for $8. Now that those classes are over, I re-mapped it to be a macro-pad. Thing is super useful and runs off 1 AAA battery.
Love my TKL and it's actually uncomfortable when I have to use a full sized keyboard.
The prices used to be lower for TKL (which was logical) but then the manufacturers got onto it I guess...
Just bought a KB Paradise V60 Mini with black gateron switches off Massdrop. It's a 60% board, so the function row, arrowkeys and pgup/down/home/del keys are under macros. Really happy to be sizing down from a Steelseries 6GV2!
Allen Chao
Not better than a k95
Useless crap. 75% keyboards are better if you want a small keyboard.
I don't know, I couldn't live without typing numbers quickly in the pad and having all my shortcuts on there D: But I do like the fact that you could save the space which I could need right now.
For me it's the latter reason that you listed that keeps me with full size keyboards - I have macros set to all the numkeys - and also the positive of having the numpad there for quick entry when I use it for that purpose (which isn't all that often, but it helps). I do also find myself using the side enter a fair bit too, so there's that.
if i've never watched this, i would never knew how useful that side enter is
Harambabe I got used to not use it in only 2 days. And I'm never looking back at a full keyboard. TKL just makes everything so easier. And you don't have to pay for a numpad you barely use, assuming you're mostly gaming on your PC and don't enter too many numbers everyday.
Perhaps you have a button or two on your mouse you could use? The process would be even faster.
If you dont have a numpad i guess the corsair mouse with 10 keys on the side would be useful lol
these arguments make sens... for an english keyboard.
Because on my french one for example I really need an numpad to write numbers without switching to caps to use the one over the letters because these are already used for our special letters such as éèçà and so on.
C'est vraiment chiant à ce point ? Parce que franchement je voulais acheter un tkl et je pense pas que c'est si problématique que ça en vrai ^^
I hear you. I don't use French keyboards often but my gf is French and everytime I use her computer the numbers piss me off.
Imo master m is better for french ppl :)
I used a TKL until I've started to work with programming seriously. Then I went back to my old Mionix ZIBAL 60, which I've found to be an absolute wonder. Solid build, perfect wristrest, and the full size is alot easier for me to code on than my TKL K65 ever was. Granted I do not use the numpad that often, but i find it alot easier than having a separate one connected to my computer whenever I'm paying bills and such. ALSO: Cherry MX black switches are totally underrated, as is this Mionix Zibal 60 keyboard.
"It also fits in your coat" I'm sold. Nice painting btw.
Just remember, you need a concealed carry permit in certain states. State troopers take a very dim view of young people openly waving keyboards about with gay abandon. Someone could lose an eye.
Nice video concept.
I don't know where I stand on the subject TBH. I have a full size and have had full size KBs for a long time.
I don't use the numpad very often but feel I'd miss it if it wasn't there. Truth is I would no doubt get used to working with out it.
Think I'd have to try one for a while along side my full size one to see.
Good job as ever dude
Drinking game time.drink everytime Dimitri says tkl
lmao... good luck!
Tatu Alamartimo my livers begging 4 mercy
Thought of doing a video on wrist rests?
Tatu Alamartimo whaa grate gaym!
He never says TKL, he only says T-Key-L
What perfect timing, I just got a TKL keyboard and I love it so much with more space :) thanks for the pros/cons.
2:53 XL mousepads anyone?!
the only way to go :D
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Qck +?
Renny I prefer QcK XL
I am using a QCK mini cloth myself as its the only one that fits on my desk and even then my keyboard still sits on the left side of it slightly
Been on TKL 87 keys for years and have never looked back. I currently use the Corsair K65 Rapidfire RGB, I love the small form factor on TKLs because it saves space on my cluttered desk, and it allows me to position my mouse closer to my keyboard.
Yes they are right for me! I love having more desk space for my mouse and love having less sized keyboards! I never thought I would say that, but i went on the 10 keyless kick about a year ago...and never ever went back o.o
they are ultra amazing and allow for so much for desk space, flexibility, mouse space and precision. AND the mouse is literally RIGHT THERE next to you and you press enter. i used the numpad maybe 3 percent of the time lol. it's great im never going back to the other ones
During my fat days(105KG), a Full-size keyboard was never a problem for me as a gamer but never since I've lost weight about 36KG, I have an issue opening up my armpits and switched to TKL.
But I really miss the num pad as a person who does a lot of math, but I got to use it quickly.
Realforce TKL 55g ftw.
I like using the number pad to input things such as my computer PIN or numerical input for different programs like Blender.
Dmitry, I like your approach of listing more pros & cons of reduced size keyboards, but as a happy user of a fullsize Quickfire XT, I feel like I must correct you a bit or simply disagree on a few accounts ;)
1. First off a little PSA: You don't need fancy macro functionality built into your keyboard to remap keys and assign various functions to them. In Linux under X11 use xkb keymaps, and in Windows, use AutoHotkey. This is how I reassigned the volume keys on my Quickfire XT to launching some applications and the right Ctrl to Menu (since this board doesn't have a Menu key and I use it all the time). When it comes to Windows software, there is probably not a single program out there that's as tiny, useful and beautifully robust as AutoHotkey.
2. A fullsize keyboard does not have to overlap with your mousepad, and even if it does, it doesn't have to be at an awkward angle. If you have a large mousepad, remember that you can rotate it to match or almost-match the orientation of the keyboard. It's not a bad idea even on its own, especially for FPS gamers, because it can give you more room for sideways movement of your mouse.
3. Your hands (and forearms) are in a more natural position when closer together, but many people, including me, prefer their hands (and forearms) to be slightly further apart. Take a look at pro gamers at LAN tournaments - some have their mouse and keyboard close together, some prefer a more spread out layout. This means that many people wouldn't necessarily decrease the distance between their hands even if they had a reduced size keyboard.
4. You don't have to rotate a fullsize keyboard to use it comfortably. Back to pro gamers at LANs - many of them have their keyboards rotated and such, but that is because of their overall setup, sitting position, forearm placement and so on, rather than because of their keyboards being large. I think there are pros who use reduced size keyboards and still place them at ridiculous angles. I have my fullsize keyboard perfectly straight on my desk. Every time I tried typing or gaming while having it rotated I felt less comfortable and went back to having it aligned with the desk immediately.
5. Having the keyboard offset to the side from the centre of the screen is not necessarily a bad thing. It's not 100% perfect for typing a lot, but it is preferable for gaming, and it helps with using the mouse (i.e. not having to extend your mouse hand further away than your other hand).
6. On a more subjective note: I have become so accustomed to a fullsize keyboard, that I feel restricted when I can't use all the keys. For example, in CS:GO, I stumble with buying items through the menu, because normally I have all the necessary item buys bound to keys on the number pad. In general, I find the presence of a number pad very convenient for various tasks and keybinds.
Fully agree with you on the AutoHotKey thing, it's been a lifesaver over the years. Thing is, a lot of my AHK macros are set to the numpad, so I'd have to relearn everything in terms of where I wanted to put those if I decided to switch from that, and I'm not sure I want to do that... so I'm more than happy to stay with the full keyboard. As it is, my keyboard/mouse drawer in my desk can fit both very easily without any problems, so the only positive for switching would be travel distance, and for me that's not really an issue either. As you said, there are many positives for those of us who like their full size boards too, so it basically comes down to personal preference.
Dmitri, a serious question
Milk or cereal first?
Cereal first man... don't be a savage!
Anyway, great vid, those masterkeys pro smash the blackwidow x!
Kacper Wołek
If you don't put cereal first, how many milk are you gonna add?
Kacper Wołek its simple. Milk in first make cereal float and overflows bowl. Dang man. Gaming 101 cereal first 😂
Kacper Wołek Milk if you violate physics
I just love it. I am using the Asus ROG Claymore Core and it's just perfect. Fully customizable and everything else you could want. And it's cheaper than the bigger version, even if you don't like you can just buy the numpad itself and click it on the main part.. on either side
I just have keyboards in pretty much every size now. I got the mech bug...
My Siemens buckling spring keyboard is the best. It would be waste of money to buy another keyboard that isn't better than my own Siemens keyboard.
Model M is better
Which one do you recommend?
Seriously, that was easily a million dollar ad. The quality, the idea, everything about it was amazing. The video was amazing too.
i wish there is a MOD keyboard where we can remove the "ten keys" part. & I don't care about the "FLEX" in the keyboard.
There is actually such keyboard. it's called Claymore by Asus. There are some comments on it being easily flexed due to the nature of detaching, but as you mentioned you don't care about it so you can definitely check it out :)
How about the Tesoro Tizona? They use Kailh switches and they don't seem to get many positive reviews but they have a usb port on the left and right sides where you can attach a numpad.
The Tesoro Tizona is the ONLY keyboard I have been able to find that allows you to attach the keypad to the left. For me that would be the ideal side for the keypad as it allows me to move my hands closer when gaming and allow for mouse use when enter numbers which I do several times a day and kind of rely on my numpad but I just wish I could move it to the left which would be a much better spot for me.
Also the Tesoro Tizona is pretty cheap with its starting price of $70 comapred to something like the Claymore which is $150 for just the core and $250-$290 for the full keyboard including the numpad.
ЯeapeR I know about it bro :) ... it is much costlier right now.
I think you will have a better time getting a separate numpad.
I would never be able to do with a TKL keyboard. The numpad is great. Typing in my card number for online shopping, entering equations in excel spreadsheets, using it as extra hotkeys in RPGs, etc. I just can't do without it when I'm using a desktop. I make use of most of the extra keys fairly regularly, and it doesn't really take up that much more space. Of course, I also have a relatively small mousepad (with high mouse sensitivity) so the keyboard overlapping the pad isn't an issue at all for me, if I couldn't accurately use a high sensitivity mouse it would be more important to allocate space to a larger mousepad. And if I'm on the go and using a laptop, well, there's already a keyboard built in and I would argue that even if a TKL is more portable why would you do that? Just use the keyboard that's built into the laptop.
2:44 "yo bro i sell sum fuckin guud tkl keyboard wanna try one?"
I like a TKL for couch gaming, but I'm still too reliant on the number pad to make the switch elsewhere. For me, I think the ideal solution would be a left-handed number pad. It would also allow me to enter numbers while still keeping my right hand on the mouse. Maybe I'll eventually move to a TKL with a separate number pad. Of course, I'm still using a G13 & macro keys on my main keyboard as well, so it might just end up being too much on the left.
Are compact (60%) keyboards right for you?
Only if you have tiny hands and don't mind developing a hunchback after prolonged use.
The one and only negative thing about TKL keyboards, and thus why I don't own one is the lack of media keys. I love the play/pause and volume control on the Corsair keyboards.
chrmez That's true but aren't there some mice that have extra button for multimedia stuff as well? I have the cm masterkeys pro s and it has media keys though behind a click of an "fn" button
Why is it called a Ten Key Less though? You're missing out on like 17 keys not just 10.
You're removing the 10 numbers on the number pad (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) so it's called 10 Key Less.
I guess that makes sense
Harry it sounds cool
Harry imagine calling it seventeenkeyless
It's official, now it's called StKL
It honestly just depends on how useful the num pad is to you. If you use it quite often, then use a full sized keyboard. If they are not too useful to you, then you should consider a TKL.
What is the name of the songs running in the background? The song running after 4 minutes is fucking lovely. I'd fall asleep on that.
You're spot on about the lack of side enter key being the thing that you'll notice the most when you're switching. But once you use your TKL keyboard for a few days and get used to it, there's no going back. Seriously, unless you're someone who works with numbers a lot, there's no reason why TKL keyboards are not the standard.
I’ve literally never had to use a numpad since the day I was old enough to use a keyboard. It’s a waste of space and I’m looking forward to upgrading to a TKL.
yes it has a smaller footprint, but only by like 3-4 inches. i mean i understand situations that 3-4 inches could be important, but if its just gonna stay on your desk its whole life, just get a full size. its cheaper, you get the numpad and right enter key
I want a TKL with macros on the left..... HOW IS THIS NOT A THING
redragon k587
I've been using a tenkeyless for a few months, and it's been a lovely switch.
Hey Dimitri, are you bulgarian? You wear a martenica.
Neki Dzemaili I think he is Russian, since he spoke it in one video (albeit with a VERY distinct accent).
Neki Dzemaili Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's Russian. Thogh he doesn't seem to have a Russian accent.
Dmitry.
Canadian.
Well, he has a russian surname, but idk
Picked up a TKL CM QuickFire with blues for $40. I swapped all of its key caps with white PBT front printed caps and now it's even better. Love it.
is that a keyboard in your pocket or are you happy to see me?
As much as I like the idea and feel of TKLs, they could never become my daily driver. I've grown up with the full size boards, and have always used the numpad for number typing and macros in games.
That being said, I was one of the people who helped Kickstart the Wooting Analogue keyboard, which happens to be TKL. Who knows - Maybe they'll convince me otherwise?
The price difference is definitely down to supply and demand. If you look at extreme cases like the Ergodox, or even just keycap sets, you will quickly see how seemingly cheaper things end up being more costly overall.
what is the name of the keyboard at 1:45 ?
Hey man as I was interested in the same keyboard as you, I just tried and googled fox keyboard (because of the key with a fox on it) and i found it. It's "WhiteFox keyboard" ;)
TKL are more expensive because the demand is less than for full sized keyboards. This means they have to spread the manufacture, distribution and marketing cost to fewer units, hence the price is higher. Also in production they need to create a separate manufacturing line to accommodate the different parts in some cases readjust the whole assembly process. . In goods manufacturing economics, the higher the quantity produced for a product using the same components, assembly line, labour, and so on, the cheaper it will be. Just because it has 1has 17 less switches, caps and 20% less plastic, aluminum, solder, pcb, is not enough to drive the price down.
But....how can I fly a plane in GTA V now ??
Jäger Main reprogramm the buttons
my nem temmy your mouse...
GTA is dying
Anonymous User it’s actually growing. Do some research before commenting
i bet you play nothing but gta
this is my 12 years with tkl, can't live without it
This video feels like he's SUPER biased towards TKL keyboards....
"TKL Looks better on your desk" - Entirely subjective
"Full Size will overlap with mousepad and be wobbly" - Uhh.. Only if you overlap them, and do so in a silly way...
"Keyboard will be centered in front of your monitor" - Can still do that with a full size, and if it's off center, so what?
"TKL keyboards have better build quality" - Uhhh.... wat?
"Don't even mention the missing num pad" - Uhh.. Yeah.. Let's just gloss right over the biggest disadvantage. Who ever types numbers in their computer anyways?
Absolutely no mention of the fact that TKL keyboards are more often missing media and macro keys.
TKLs have their place, but this video should be titled "Why I Like TKL Keyboards" and not passed off as advice for others.
Nope.
You have an entire number row above your qwerty row.
How on earth can you center a non-tkl keyboard in front of your monitor? Please do tell me.
Also, the reason why I went with a tkl keyboard personally is so that I could center my keyboard in front of my monitor. I found it was a real pain in the butt whenever I wanted to start typing but my left hand and right hand would be at completely different lengths away from the keyboard thereby making my typing experience absolutely abysmal.
while I would agree that TKL looking better on your desk is subjective, the point of having a full size keyboard centered and having no issues is not always the case as it more often than not depends on the size of your monitor and having the keyboard centered can help you to feel less tired after spending hours typing something (not to mention the streches you should do on a regular basis), the point of better build quality is just for the fact that they flex less during transportation - but that is an irrelevant point to you isn't it? the missing num pad is the whole reason you would consider a TKL board and not a medium sized one he mentioned at the start of the video. he also DID mention the lack of dedicated media controls as for macro keys - they don't belong on a keyboard you would get only for the reason of having a minimalist setup (which he is mainly focusing his attention on in the video anyways)
Steve Sunny you put it in the middle maybe? Idiot
Yes, I bought one for the first time and it’s honestly the smallest I would ever to but so amazing. It’s the best form factor EVER
umm .. entering numbers without a numpad is hell ? It's not even mentioned in this video?
Pytte shhh, nobody uses computers to do any work involving lots of numbers
this, numpad saves so much time. TKL is trash for trendy losers
4:42 "Moving on to the negatives... And don't even mention the lack of numpad..."
TKL with a separate numpad is an option if you need to enter a lot of numbers occasionally, or prefer the numpad on the left-hand side.
Pytte how often do you enter keys?
Two possible answers: a) very often - you should be proficient enough with top row as well as the numpad = no problem
b) not often enough for you to care = no problem
KeweKrypto 12 numpad is for peasants
To not have the problem where my keyboard overlaps with my mousepad, I just got an enormous mousepad that is 120x50cm that now covers my whole table! :D
I think one of the main reason why build quality is better on a TKL keyboard - is that it's for a narrow market or an enthusiast market :)
They're more expensive because it's a niche market - TKL is probably chosen by those who just wants one, and it's not like they need one - so they're more expensive, because people who just WANTS one, are often willing to pay more.
In Soviet Russia, Tikiel keyboards you. 🤣
I've been using a TKL for about a year and I'm really happy with it. It's really portable and it takes very little space on my desk, since it's not that big. The lack of numpad hasn't been a big deal for me, but if I ever need it intensively I'll just get an external one, with the benefit of being able to place it wherever I want. You can even get them mechanical now, I've seen a few in places like massdrop.
Dmitry, are you bulgarian or canadian? I thought that at one point you lived in canada lol
Rishabh Patel I believe he is russian but he lives in Canada
I'm bulgarian :P
love my tkl + mmo mouse with 12 buttons. perfect compromise, 100% form and function
I spy with my little eye, a crumb at 2:30 on the home key!
I have TKL at home and FullSize at work. Right tools for the right job.
oh im early quick think of a joke
apple
Ha
I've used a 60% for gaming for the past year. It's awesome but it doesn't work good for coding. Sometimes I wish i bought a 65% or tkl for the arrow keys.
Are there any games that are a pain not having the function keys? I’m new to this stuff and trying to decide on a tkl or 60 percent
@@adamdankson448 I haven't played any games that required them. I primarily play fps if that helps. The 60% saves so much desk space so if you're wanting a kb just for gaming i recommend getting a 60% or 65%.
Trey Grogan thanks I just don’t want to get into a game that does require functions. I’m new to pc gaming and don’t know if I like mobas and wanna know how often u use functions in them
if you want a solid tkl keyboard get the corsair k65. perfect starter keyboard and cheap as well. if you want to get better quality go for masterkeys tkl. from there ducky or wasd. up2u.
JU1 i have the k65 and it's great
JU1 £24 tkl mechanical keyboard here
I've got a k65 rgb on my main setup and a regular k65 on my gf's. they are excellent.
Savva Moser £60 or so is pretty cheap for a decent quality keyboard with genuine Cherry MX switches. I've had the K65 for a couple of years - after having played around with far more expensive options trying to find something I liked - and it's an excellent TKL.
If you want a solid TKL, get a Varmilo VA87. It's miles ahead of Corsair or _"gaming"_ keyboards.
That middle sized keyboard are usually called TK, or "TenKey" keyboards, because they combine the numpad with the page and arrow keys. I find that these keyboards are a lot better and more functional than TKL keyboards, because you still have the functionality of the full keyboards, while getting more desk space and the smaller, sleeker design.
I currently have the Cooler Master Quickfire TK. I'm really hoping they release an RGB Masterkeys M keyboard sometime in the future. It's essentially the same as the Quickfire TK, except with that sweet RGB lighting scheme.
GIMME SOME ROOOOM! LEMME GET SOME AIR TAIME! GET DA FUUUUUUUK OUT DA WHEY!
Lame.
I own the Corsair K63 mechanical TKL gaming keyboard and I absolutely love it. I will never go back to a full sized keyboard ever again.
Corsair K65 Vengeance! Best tkl imo
ITS SO CLEAN AND BEAUTIFUL AND I LOVE IT.
i just received one its really good. but i'd love the rgb version too though:(
mo.guled Corsair k65 lux tkl has rgb if you need it
Ducky > Corsair
ANekii hell yeah bro. Ducky one here
If u mostly play games... tkl is just awesome and the build quality thing, I totally agree
not worth getting a TKL IMO, removes versatility. also, he did not mention anything about doing any sort of math or school work. It's terrible using a TKL. you NEED that Num pad to be entering a large volume of numbers! torture without and shit tons of mistakes due to the spread.
Also, this review was horrible as this guy was obviously extremely biased towards TKL. he should have titled it "Why i think TKL keyboards are better." DERRR
Good point. Also, now that I stopped to think about it, typing numbers with the numpad is much faster that using the row.
That’s why these are meant for strictly gaming purposes and mostly esports athletes use them.
You want versatility then get a separate number pad, you even have the option to tuck it away when you dont need it.
Nanorisk and there are a lot of wireless numpads. So one doesnt even need more cables
i think its good for students because dorms will have less room for peripherals
TKL + Left hand numpad + mint green caps + white backlight + aluminum body
TKL are stupid (i own one). What we really need is 'lefty keyboard', where they arrow part and the numpad part are on the left side.
Having these extra key on the right side made sense before the mouse. But fully removing them is stupid because we could just move them to the right side instead.
HardwareCuck, find us decent lefty mechanical keyboards and do a review. I would disable my ads block for this.
dude leftys can use regular keyboards. design wise it's just weird to have the arrows on the left side.
That is just your preference. Having arrow on the left side is not 'weirder' than not having them at all.
I'll rather have room for the mouse where the arrow/numpad are... and have the arrow/numpad on the left side in case i ever need them.
DSI Left Handed USB Keyboard
But by moving the arrows and the numpad to the left, the keyboard length remains the same, so you wouldn't gain any extra mouse room.
(I'm a lefty myself, and did fine all my life with regular full sized keyboards. I just got a K65 and I'm looking it)
"But by moving the arrows and the numpad to the left, the keyboard length remains the same"
Irrelevant because you center the keyboard on the space bar. Whatever hang over the other side don't matter. As long as there are 'close to' center room for the mouse on the other side.
Never tried one but I do use the numpad quite a lot so I don't really see myself getting one, but I can understand lots of people would like this over the traditional design. The thing is, I think, when it comes to sizes of things you can't ever go beyond a certain point without making sacrifices. I don't mind regular size keyboards, though. I have a tt eSports X1 and I'm loving it.
I actually have the Cooler Master MASTERKEYS PRO S tenkeyless and i frikkin love it! awesome keyboard
I just get the Ozone Battle Spectra and simply love it!
I've been using a TKL (Strike Battle) for quite long, and yes, smaller keyboards are more handy in most cases.
Now I'm using a Logitech K810 (yes, that's right, laptop-like and bluetooth!) and I freaking love it. I've typed on a macbook pro for 4 years or so and I suddenly realized I really love that form factor. So if you want something like a mac keyboard, but for windows & linux and don't want to buy the Apple one, chech that out. Small, really handy (3 bluetooth profiles) and reeeeally confortable to use.
Got into the idea of a TKL thanks to Corsair and their K70, but after dealing with some design issues (personal, not functional) I sold the K70 and got the CoolerMaster Pro Key S and have loved it ever since. Super compact, saves space and just feels amazing. I *HIGHLY* recommend getting a TKL for saving space.
Yes I still miss the numpad but you can always get a cheapo bluetooth one with a dongle and have that on the side for when you're number crunching like a madman.
Honestly, your ads are one of the best on TH-cam. Actually really enjoyable to watch! Keep up the great work. :)
I spilled a full glass of water on my Corsair K63 10-keyless keyboard 2 days ago. The backlights were flashing and it didn't work. Blew out the water I could with canned air and set it upside down on a pillow today I plugged it in and it works as it should. Love this keyboard, don't need a numpad, only cost $80.00 USD. So happy I didn't kill it.
I started out doing everything on a typewriter so I type alphanumerically. A TKL just fits better as I don't use the ten key anyway. I don't go from the letter to number keys by changing my hand position like I see a lot of younger people do. I type and register numbers without having to change my hand position which saves a lot of time over a day especially when in putting license info.
I'm a software dev and avid gamer. I've never missed the numpad. Except for hotseat Samurai Showdown tournaments in MAME on one keyboard. MAME is probably the only time i've used the num pad significantly. One could use it for inputing say ip addresses or doing calculations, but I've adjusted to the num row so I'm more comfortable with it now, so it's probably a matter of habbit. TKL all the way, especially mechanical ones.
Although the keyboards might be more expensive in my opinion they are much more efficient. For example if you are in a work space it will take up less room unlike a full size keyboard. They are also more comfortable and much more minimal so for a clean setup I recommend going with TKL keyboards.
My desk space is restricted. With my old keyboard, I had to use a small mousepad, and my mouse bumped into the keyboard when I tried to quickly aim to the left. This happened often enough to be a problem, so I got myself a tenkeyless keyboard (made the upgrade to a mechanical keyboard while I was at it as well, definitely don't regret that either), and now I have a medium mousepad, which, given the fact that I play on relatively low/medium sensitivity, is more than enough space for everything except EXTREME air strafing. So yeah, if you don't have a lot of space, a TKL keyboard can make a world's difference.
I just got one a couple days ago. My answer is yes. Redragon K552. Coming from a Cooler Master with Cherry MX Blue keys...you should really consider the Redragon. Great $38 mechanical keyboard if you want TKL. My Cooler master is the keyboard that combines the 10key and whatever that section of keys is called by the arrow keys, I agree with everything in this video
Love love love love my Quickfire TK (CM Storms). Best of both worlds. I'm good with a numpad so I'm glad it's still all there but my desk, the way it's laid out, doesn't give me much room for a keyboard, this was perfect.
Got myself a 60% and I'll never go back. Programmable function layers are immensely useful, and it takes up so much less space on my desk.
I've just got myself a TLK Keyboard. It's just perfect for my working environment. I switch between the keyboard & the mouse a lot. You are right about the Enter key. Suddenly I found out that I used that key a lot. But considering the comfort I have now, it's not a problem.
I have quite a few keyboards. TKL is the best IMO.
Numpad is alright for number typing, but i don't use it enough to warrant the space wastage and the slight annoyance of having my mouse further away.
60% for me is overall a gimmick even though i'm a VIM user. Windows still requires arrow keys and using FN for additional actions/arrows/other layers just feels clumsy to me.
I bought my friend's old Razer widowmaker tournament edition 2014 for 40€ and I love it!
I love TKL boards. I've owned a couple TKL's (currently using a CM Masterkeys Pro M RGB) and got used to them over and right now I can't force myself to go back to a fullsize anymore. :)
I like my full size keyboards. Cheaper, have the enter key accessible to the right hand thumb and additional keys for volume control right above the numpad. I may not use the numpad but those additional keys are so useful.
Holy crap, perfectly executed content and resource! Despite it being slightly old by now, still clear cut and to the point. Thank you!
I tried a TKL keyboard for a while but just couldn't get used to it, I much prefer having an actual keypad on a full size keyboard. Old habits die hard I guess
I also have to enter French accented characters frequently so the numpad is essential for me.
To each their own obviously ... buy what suits you best.
I love TKL. I got CoolerMaster's. Its almost 4 years since I bought it and still stand strong.
Oh yes they are ! Corsair K65 is the best keyboard I have ever owned !!!!
TKL's are more difficult to sell to a wide audience -> volumes are smaller -> price needs to be higher.
I bought the Red Dragon Kumara Mechanical TKL keyboard about 5 months ago and have loved it so far. My desk isn't necessarily cluttered with stuff, so a full length keyboard wouldn't be in the way, but I find the compact design of TKL keyboards more appealing to me personally. I only use computer for gaming, social media, and school work, so the absence of the number pad isn't that much of an issue for me.
gotta love the cinematography in these vids, so crisp
But, I ordered my Pok3r today so...
I'm currently owning a keyboard with detachable num pad, which still is the perfect solution for me. For normal gaming & work needs my setup is TKL with macro buttons (normal combinations like Copy, Paste, ...). And if handling a larger amount of numbers is necessary I simply attach the num pad at any side of the base.
And the missing macro buttons on TKL keyboards actually stop me from going mechanical, I miss the concept of detachable num pads.
Products like the Asus Claymore are only missing the macro keys and wrist rest, otherwise it would be a possible succesor to my current Sidewinder X6.
i have the masterkeys pro S and it is amazing to use. tame little to no space on the desk, great typing and really good ergonomics. teally great purchase.
For all those wanting to buy TKL a keyboard Varmilo VB87m is a great option as its also wireless so, it compliments more to the portability factor. The only downside is the price (120$) and its only available on massdrop.