WSario own a f150 I’d go F250 or 350 if doing it again. Even with 1750 payload it fills fast with a travel trailer, dog, kids, pedal bikes, kayaks. 350 maybe because you can’t find many gas trucks in co and I want more payload if I’d have to go diesel.
MY GRAMPS HAS A HUGE FORD EXCURSION.,V10 GAS ENGINE. IT PULLS HIS 10,000 POUNDS HORSE TRAILER EASY! WE LOVE THE V10, 769,000! Miles! Orig. Still strong
Captain America America My Step dad has a 3/4 ton with the V10 with the banks heads and exhaust conversion 38’ rv toy hauler liked it stock but the conversion made him love it.It was around $5;000 dollars counting labor but more power 6 mpg better empty 4 towing they go from Tennessee to Alaska twice a year.My Excursion was 7.3 diesel but I lost it in a garage fire.Wish ford would bring it back!
@Dirty Harry Your thinking of the expedition, Excursion went out of production in 06. I have a 00 V10 Excursion myself and the v10 has prenty of power for my 7k lbs trailer pulling up and down the mountains. 211,000 miles and the pinion is making noise now but 3 sets of plugs and still the original trans doing great.
Thanks Andre. I bought my 2020 F250 Supercab XL STX April 11. I wanted to get out of diesels this round, so giving the 7.3 a try for a few years. Definitely see a big difference with MPG empty. My Ram 6.7 diesel avg. 18 and the 7.3 getting 13.5 (its new, only has 900 miles on it today). But I did see a noticeable improvement since a bought it when it had 8 miles on the odometer. It'll get used this coming week in the field, looking forward to pulling my skid steer with it. I'll keep you posted.
Right on Chad. You ever see the countless 1/2 ton owners towing trailers with their rear tires bulging like their gonna pop and the rear bumper dragging the asphalt 🤣 Just because the truck will move and stop does not mean it's the correct truck. Camper salesmen are the best at lieing to customers
yeah me too, I currently use my explorer v6 to haul my boat which is about 2.5k and I can feel the engine giving a bit more effort to go. I need a bigger engine.
I have towed with all makes, models and different size engines, when it comes to towing with a gas engine you can't beat a large cubic inch engine, I once had a EcoBoost and loved it but when towing it was always making boost to pull the load and seemed stressed, went with a 6.2 Ford Superduty pulling the same loads and the engine is much more happier, that's my 2 cents
@@gregc9220 I disagree with this statement. It almost sounds like you are comparing a Superduty (F250 or greater to a F150). The weight difference alone will make the larger model feel more stable. Also you didn't state which Ecoboost model you are directly comparing, there's multiple. The 3.L is the largest Ecoboost engine. I owned a few 3.5 L Ecoboost's and a 6.2L, all F150's. 12, 14, 16, and 17. The smaller Ecoboost's suck compared to 3.5 IME. I towed alot of miles on all. Moved most of our stuff multiple trip's by a 8x10 single axle enclosed trailer 800 miles one way. The 6.2 downshifted way more, it's powerband is closer to 5000 RPM, the 3.5 L is at 2250 RPM. While the 3.5L Eco mileage just sucked towing, especially compared in drop to 6.2, but not towing 3.5 mileage much better. Hands down the 3.5L was much better to tow with, more power readily available and less downshifting and less engine noise due to it running at a lower RPM. The 3.5 L behaves more like a diesel, lots of low end torque. Granted tbe boost is increasing engine pressures, but the lower RPM scream was much better to me as was hearing the engine noise. Then later pair that 3.5 to the 10 speed and it was really nice. Granted the 6.2 was a 6 speed and all other 3.5's were 6 speeds. There's also gear ratio's that'll make a difference. Mine were all 3.73's and 4.10's. If I had a choice I'd take a 3.5L over a 6.2L any day in a F150. I tow fairly often probably every few weeks and not overly heavy loads. Even when I towed heavier loads, 3.5 was better. Same trailer, same speed same loading on 6 spds, same hill, 3.5 Eco might downshift to 5th, typically wouldn't unless wind. 6.2 downshifted commonly to 4th and sometimes 3rd.
12:20 sums it up perfectly. This truck will pull that trailer everyday with no issues in comfort at a cost of 2mpg. While the Jeep can pull that every weekend but if tasked to pull all the time the life expectancy of the engine or transmission will be reduced
The 7.3 truck gets worse mpg (than the Jeep towing) on that loop without any load...That’s not the point of the heavy duty truck to get great mpg. The point is that super duty doesn’t know that trailer is there and that Jeep looked like it was about to break the rear axle and throw a rod out of the block towing the same trailer.
R J I bet my Ram Cummins dually could make that fix or repair daily beer can look stressed towing. These people do nothing but hype up that piece of shit Furd, Iam still waiting for the new Ram 6.4 with the 8 speed maybe there scared Furd won't look so good against the new Ram. This channel has become nothing more than a Furd commercial, maybe next time they should test a Furd ranger against a Ram 6.4 2500. Funny they only compare that shitty Furd to smaller trucks.
I’ve been pulling a forest river hyper lite 29hfs for about 4 years now with a 2010 F150 with a 5.4l engine and 3.55 gears it was also a heavy half ton with the better suspension. One of the last stout F150s made. The trailer is a 2017 and weighs roughly 6800 lbs dry. Payload capacity is just about 2600 lbs and an gvwr of 9900lbs. Oh, did I mention it’s a toy hauler. So you can load about 2000 lbs behind the axles. They are different than other trailers when hauling. The weight distribution is set up to haul a toy. When it’s empty in back, they can get squirrely to say the least. The F150 pulled it well, but wind would may it feel like you’re going backwards. Side winds absolutely made for a white knuckle ride. I would avoid 20 mph side winds like the plague, when I could. 2020- enter Godzilla!! What a major improvement a real truck will make. Zilla not only pulls this trailer, it’s like it’s not back there. If I didn’t look at my mileage I may not know it’s there. Pulls great, all the sway from passing vehicles is gone,mostly, and takes a good side wind like a champ. Nose into a stiff wind and Drop a gear or two and keep going. Absolutely love the 10 speed. It’s flawless. Ford has a winner in this rig, and not all the maintenance, noise, smell, and other expense of a diesel. Oh by the way, huge fan of Diesel engines when needed. The 7.3l proves they are not. I love it! My two cents worth.
@@ALMX5DP False. No setup can defeat physics. If you have to abruptly change lanes at speed, a light rear end will be less able to redirect the trailer's inertia so that it follows the truck. It will be more likely to jackknife.
@ 73excursion yeah your right... better to own the truck that gets 12 MPG all day every day ,on the one chance you tow with it case you need to stop or swerve? Stay in school (einstein)
@@AmericanSurvival001 its all about perspective and budget. I have rigs, a couple backhoes and other equipment. I tow a few times a week. And for me, 12mpg is great. I'm used to way less. And my wife drives a 2018 f250 diesel. Just in case she has to tow something.😂
I basically am the poster child for this video... I had a 2016 F-150 5.0 which was rated for 10k and I was only towing up to 4.5k. So last year I traded it in on a 2019 Ranger and it's worked out just fine for me. That 2.3 Ecoboost tows my boat or side by side like a beast and gets about 14-15 MPG while doing it.
I would have never turned on the tow haul for such a light weight for that truck..and I'll bet it would get better mileage and never hurt the transmission..i used to be a Ford dealer tech...and everything everyone is saying about that transmission..it will be ok...and ill also bet that the jeep will burn 🔥 that trans out in mid summer in the desert...witch is where someone would be hauling one of those in the summer
@Robert Condon nice. It might be something I'd be interested in after they update the super duty's interior. I'm a huge ram fan, but I've always had a soft spot in my heart for certain fords
That’s pretty good. My 2006 Honda Ridgeline averaged 9 mpg towing a 2500lb trailer at 60 mph cross country because it was always revving it’s guts out. My next truck will be a Godzilla powered F350 Tremor.
What kind of camper? My 4 cylinder Tacoma gets about 20mpg towing my Miata (~3000lbs but pretty aerodynamic), and I've pulled a 6x12 Uhaul a few times and still got 17-18 with those. Surprised the Ridgeline got that little, being it shouldnt struggle too bad having 100 extra hp and an additional gear (mine is a manual 5 speed).
thanks -- I knew the Godzilla was coming but I got the 2019 F250 with the 6.2. Yes it came with the 6 speed transmission and I knew the 2020 would have the 10 speed transmission. Two points. 1. The 6 speed transmission is tried and true whereas I had done some research and the 10 speed transmission which as is the F150s and Chevys were having issues and were not being recalled. So I went with the tried and true. My 6.2 gives me about 15 MPG with a load on the highway and about 13 in the city. I actually get better gas mileage, along with the capabilities, than a full size toyota tundra and nissan titan of which both have lesser payload and towing capabilities. I figured that there would be an additional cost for the Godzilla engine back in 2019 when I was getting my 2019 F250. Thanks again for showing the details.
If I were towing a fair bit, I wouldn’t even consider the Gladiator. (Unless it was a couple dirt bikes, or a couple of quads) I think it’s a great off road platform, with a lot of aftermarket support, but don’t think it’s the greatest choice if you are going to tow a lot. Toss in some hills, and that little engine is gonna strain, wearing it out quicker.
We made the mistake of taking my Best Friends Brand New F250 to Idaho from Iowa going Elk hunting one year and got 11-12 MPG that opened my eyes about 3/4 ton trucks and if we would of took my GMC Sierra 1500 truck we would of gotten slightly over 17 MPH and that's huge. We were towing nothing. Yea if your towing a skid loader a lot yea buy a 3/4 ton truck if not get a 1/2 ton truck.
There is a fair amount to getting a MPG. Certainly they won't get crazy good MPG, but even in my Raptor I can eek out 18+ while others brag about 12-13 MPG. The driver, conditions, and such make a huge difference.
I have a 2018 Ram 2500 6.7 Cummins that gets consistent 21-23 mpg without a load doing 70-75 on the interstate. Pulled my lund fishing boat 2300 miles from PA to Montana when I moved last year and averaged 18 mpg. Boat and trailer around 4300 lbs. No issues and that diesel purred .Gas engine is more than enough on the 1500 for lighter boats and trailers. Confidence that your truck can handle heavy loads and do it safely is immeasurable .
Nah I think a midsize suits that fine unless you plan on also hauling a full load of passengers and a ton of cargo ath the same time, then it's probably best to step up.
I own a '17 3.5 Eco and constantly tow a 20' Wells Cargo aluminum enclosed trailer weighing roughly 5-6k loaded. I average 8-9mpg on the highway, driving the speed limit or slower. I have never seen 10mpg towing. My truck does have a leveling kit with 275/65/20 tires also. Turbos are always spooled up
So my 2021 Thor motorhome with the new 7.3L gasser has been a big surprise for me. It’s built on the E450 platform and weighs just a little over 12,000# and it’s tow capacity is 8,000#. I regularly tow my Jeep on a trailer and that weighs 7200#. With 6speed auto transmission, I’m averaging 9.1 mpg. Without the trailer, I’m getting 10.6mpg. I’m impressed with the new ford motor
I have a 4,500lbs travel trailer which I tow with my 4.7 dodge ram , it give the job done but going up a a hill or passing the truck doesn’t really have much power, I can’t wait to get this 7.3 in my drive way then only then I would be so much happier 😂
I wonder how much better mpg would have been if it had 4:30 gears, especially with stop and go conditions. This is my dream truck though for sure. I would love to see this engine is a regular cab 4x4 king bed though. That would be sweet
Good comparison for the “occasional tower” to decide best vehicle to meet their needs. Why not run same 5000# trailer w/other HD diesel trucks & 1/2 ton diesels & gasoline to compare MPG?
Seems like a big miss to not update this 5000lb towing series with other midsize, 1/2 ton, and 3/4 ton trucks. I would think most occasional towers wouldn't be pulling more than 5k lbs since a medium size camper weighs about that as well as a motorboat and trailer.
It'd be a waste testing a diesel 3/4+ at 5k pounds lol. That's simply just too much truck and too expensive. You could just assume if you had that money to waste you can just get the big diesel and be fine wouldn't even need to test it.
7:15 I thought one of the primary reasons tow haul came about in the '90's was that it turns off the lockup torque converter, which can get burnt out when towing/hauling. In my Dodge tow haul registers "5" instead of drive meaning it can go into high OD gear without locking up.
I get about 10 MPG on my 2020 Ford F550 7.3 Gas Rollback with 6,000 lbs load. I thought they would make the F250 a little more fuel efficient since it's a smaller truck.
You can never have too much truck. As someone who tows very often I can say I will take a giant truck for a little trailer that is less than the trucks towing cap. A truck that is maxed out towing all the time is going to wear out faster and cause you much more stress. Not to mention if I have to stop or dodge an obstacle in the road I want to do it with confidence and not get all squirrelly
10 mpgs huh.... Not bad. That's what I get with my 2019 f150 supercrew 4x4 with the 5.0 V8 when I tow my rzr and trailer (approximately 4,000 lbs). That's since I put a 3" lift and a set of new Ford Raptor takeoff rims and tires (35" BFGs). It got about 15 mpg towing with the stock 32" tires and no lift. It has also been tuned by 5 star and has alot more power but it seems to get about the same mpg whether its tuned or stock, but it's amazing what 3" more of tire can rob you on fuel economy
Interesting fact: the idea of 3/4 ton being a 7000lb goliath is a result of 'gaming the system' of CAFE standards. "3/4 tons" used to range from like 6500 to 8000lbs GVWR - that means curb weight PLUS payload. It was the the "1 ton" that was at the 8500lb rating. In fact the original 1975 CAFE law only ran up to 6000lbs GVWR, which was once where 3/4 tons started. Then you had the mid '70's "F150" and Chevy "Big 10" and "D 150" placed above the F100 , C10 and D100, where they had 3/4 ton range payloads of 6001+ GVWR. When CAFE first came in for trucks, the only ratings were on the lightest models, and they didn't even rate 4x4s at all. Around 1980 the Govt began rating 4x4 half tons and 3/4 tons below 8500lbs gvwr. So that's when you saw the "C6P" Chevy HD 3/4 ton emphasized (they still had a lighter 3/4 ton for a while that was CAFE rated, but you couldn't get the 454 engine). As we know now, eventually all 3/4 tons simply became "HD" or 8501 GVWR and above. This GMC brochure from '78 shows all 3/4 tons below 8500lbs GVWR. www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/gmc/78gmcn/bilder/13.jpg
Thanks Andre. While I wait trying to decide what to order, one of the options is the F250 Tremor. The camper I pull is only about 3500 lbs, so the F250, F150, and Ram Rebel are all way more than I need. But there is one other aspect to consider is the payload capacity. When camping for weeks at a time I put quite a bit of stuff in the bed including generators, lawn chairs, etc. Again not a problem for any of the vehicles I mentioned, however it does push the limits on my Chevy Colorado ZR2. This did answer one question on mileage when towing, and it sounds like I'll be a lot better off with the F150 or the Rebel, particularly the F150 with the 3.5L ecoboost. Hell my Chevy Colorado gets about 11-12 mpg towing. As much as I like the Tremor, this pretty much convinced me to scratch it off the list. The diesel while better at $8000 more than the 7.3L wouldn't pay for itself in savings over the life of the truck based on the mileage I expect to put on. So this video was really helpful, than you for doing it.
Don't forget passengers are part of your cargo too. Get lets say 4 200 pound guys in a crew cab and you're already at 800 pounds, which is roughly half of a 1500's safe payload.
Gotta remember too that this test was all stop and go. If you're taking trips camping you're usually not driving in a city for the most part. Highway mileage would help this test out a lot.
@@mdingle11 Maybe, but the drag goes up at highway speeds, so it might not make that much difference. I wish they had shown what the mileage for the same loop without the trailer.
I just picked up a brand new 2020 Tremor, with the 7.3l for less than that truck costs. Awesome truck so far. Gas mileage is so so, but you don’t buy a big truck if you are worried about gas mileage. If you are going to do any towing, a 3/4 ton is the way to go. Less stressful, and far safer.
So basically for loads over 4,000 pounds but under 7,000 pounds get a half ton truck. Skip the Midsize that works too hard and save by not getting the 3/4 ton because its more truck than you need. Got it.
The 24 mile loop is far too short for accuracy using pump auto shut off, I realize don't always have time for your 100 mile loop. Could easily be off .2 gal. fuel up or down, which changes mpg by approx .8 Mpg. Still enjoyed the video and like that new F250.
You make a good point. The hitch does the opposite of what is needed. The heavier the load, the closer it should be to the axel, not further. Again, good observation.
@@Nostradamus_Order33 not sure if "opposite" is the correct term to use there. And even if it's a few inches it's nothing that's going to compromise the towing ability. All hitches will have some distance from the receiver, so unless you use a hitch extension (for use with a truck camper) it's fine.
Great video Andre!! Love the series your doing on the truck. Great trim pick and good details on the electric assist steering for us. I personally can’t say enough about how the heavier chassis is better to tow anything with. Camping with an atv and 5000 lbs was always effortless. I was waiting to blow a spark plug out of my cylinder head towing heavier loads thru the Rockies though... look into the tax loophole that Canada has for the F-250-350 series and the “luxury taxes” The 250’s are comfortable and great but the dealers seem to steer you away to a 150 or 350 for tax purposes. It Makes sense on paper, but in my opinion they are so similar that maybe the split should be at the 150 / 1500 lines (dodge and GM) not the 250/350 for the tax evasion ish platform we work with. Sorry for the blah blah, but I always thought it changed the end result of what people wind up purchasing. You guys love the experience so 🤷🏼♂️Be safe, be cool and have fun y’all!!
Great job & MPG real world info. My 16' Nissan V6 Desert Runner pulls my 600# Alumna trailer and 1400# RZR and averages 13.8 MPG. I added a Hellwig sway bar (also reduces feed back from the leaf springs) to my truck. This 2WD truck with all around disc brakes was at least $10K less then a 4WD Taco and Nissan offered $3K more for my 04' Taco trade in then Toyota offered.
I agree. On a regular basis id say up to 4000 for mid size and up to 7000 for half ton. Obviously they are capable of a little more than that on the rare occasions you'd need it, but if I was doing 7,8,or 9 thousand pound area on a regular basis id want a 3/4 ton
i've got a 2020 ford f-150 fx4 with the 3.5 eco-boost max tow package...i pulled my camper weighing in at approx. 6,000lbs 650 miles round trip...fastest speed was 66 mph and i averaged 8.8 mpg...slower speed of about 55-60 i went up to 9.4 mpg....pulled it no problem
So glad your putting out videos keeping us going during this time. I only wonder how you can do a mileage route with 20 milesand think its a fair comparison. I understand the premiss your working under. What truck is right for differant people, but both of these trucks are way out of there intended comfort the Jeep is so not a trailer towing truck, its obviously off road biased, and the superduty in town mileage with a 5000lb trailer its never allowed to get up to speed where the mileage would be better. Any base model 1/2 ton truck would pull that trailer and get decent mileage and save its owner 20 grand.
Thanks for the video Andre. One suggestion, I know the original designation of light duty, medium duty, and heavy duty trucks is old. Yes, the 7.3 is a medium duty engine, but medium duty trucks are F-550’s
So with that, the 7.3L V8 in a light duty F250 will or should last 30+ years if taken care of. The 7.5L 460 V8 in my 88 F250 is still going strong with well over 700k on it, and the C6 transmission is still going as well. Just can't kill those old trucks, they were built to work.
@@wildbill23c it was the Nickle content in the iron back then, one of my older trucks still on the road today an 88 Dakota 4x4, is going on 450,000 original miles now. These modern trucks are built with inferior metals in the engines, the bodies, and the frames... They will NOT last like our 80's trucks. Plus you can always adjust a carburetor, but where is the computer going to be in 30 years to service that Ford? r.i.p.
Always enjoy your reviews. Similar to your Ike mileage runs, are you driving the same streets for your city runs on each truck? City comparisons are tough, the variables are almost overwhelming.
Thank you team for another well done informative demonstration to real world testing. Because your content has been pretty darned good, I actually crawled out from under my donor underground bunker and came out into the world finding myself after hours visiting Jeep Gladiators. I believe they look much better in person than video portrays. My issue, is with Pentastar, I fail victim to the law suit going on with 2012 model years. $43,000 flushed down the commode. Still not a good feeling inside me.
The F-250 gas seems like a good option for civilians who tow a heavier trailer long distance or more frequently. These new 3/4 ton trucks seem like they are a lot easier to live with on a daily basis than they were 10-20 years ago. I would choose the 7.3 over the old 6.2 for sure.
Its a great motor. I have an F450 commercial duty w/ 12 ft bed. Weights 18000 lbs with my tools on it. Goes right up freeway ramps. I can put a pallet of concrete bags on the very back and don't even notice it. In the ride or power train. 10 speed trans is phenomenal - except put putting around town. 7.3 vs 6.2 - no match. 7.3 blows my 6.2 F250 away. Better mileage on the 7.3 also. Of course my F250 has 40" tires on it. That may have an effect
GoryBongHit you got that right! Ram hasn't made a good truck since 2016, Ford since 2013 and gmc? Idk, I just got a 20 gmc sierra with the 3.0 duramax and at 146 miles, blew the front diff. I'm not impressed by the engine at all.
John Doe I absolutely agree, they all are mixing bags. One is ultra reliable, one has a nice ass interior, one has a powerful engine. I.E, the Tundra, the Ram, and the Ford. And that's the issue, if the somebody was to make a truck that had all off those things, it then I would consider it better than the competition. But right now, every truck has ONE strong suit, that's it.
@The Fast Lane Truck : Good review Andre. Honest fuel mileage ratings. Simply put, these are 9 - 12 mpg work trucks, much like all gas F-250/F-350's have always been. Nothing more. It's too bad the USA has made owning & operating diesels less affordable thanks to all the ridiculously unreliable & costly emissions controls, DEF, & overpriced diesel fuel. Sure am glad I still run old trucks that have zero emissions crap on them. The ole 7.3L Powerstroke & the 5.9L Cummins... Both are still more powerful, more fuel efficient, and more practical than any big block gasser ever dreamt of being... new, old, or what have you.
Tow/haul mode locks the torque converter in most gears, and hold the gear longer(higher rpm shift points). I know with my 2019 6.7 Powerstroke I use the engine brake everytime I drive, because it locks the torque converter in 2nd-6th. Touch brake pedal for one second and it down shifts. I have 75% of the brake pad life left and 45,000km and I tow a 10k fifthwheel regularly
I feel you need to do this test now with a half ton. Just saying... In my opinion... Small truck, small trailer, medium truck, medium trailer, big truck, any trailer you want!
I had a 5th wheel and a little Seadoo. I towed with a F-450. The 5th wheel looked right behind the F-450 but when I towed the Seadoo I had too much truck.
Man guys we love this F2 50 please do more videos and much more modifications we would love to see a cold air intake and a very large cam and a lift kit on this truck with some off-road suspension goodies make it a F2 50 raptor
Finally! Finally! Don’t get me wrong. The Ike Gauntlet is informative and entertaining, but according to the U.S. Dept. of Transportation, the average distance of weekend trip was 29mi in 2017. Could you guys develop “The Weekend Loop” of 60 - 80 miles. Will you run the Ecoboost with the trailer? Godzilla is an option to consider. Stay safe guys.
When they aren’t building trucks why order? Ford just sent my money back for my deposit on my F350 Lariat.My order won’t be pulled but didn’t feel right holding my money while on shutdown.
Please do a new tow variation. Pull a travel trailer and see how your tow’s do against a load that may not be near max tow rating but is a brick-ish load and see how mpg and drivetrain handle the high air resistance of a Travel Trailer. A lot of us pull them and are interested to know!! Thanks TFL Truck!!!!
One of the reasons to switch to Ford if you are going 3/4 ton over Ram, is Ram's 2500 back seat is much smaller than their 1500. Not so with the F250. For a family of 4 and a dog that extra space is very useful.
I’m curious if some of the suspension changes they implemented were to mitigate any of the problems with the 17’-19’ models having front suspension issues (steering dampener, track bar, bearing) issues? Sadly I had to sell mine because of this.
My dream trucks has been my whole rapture a first gen raptor and f250 Lariat 6.7l diseal with the tremor package it used to be and fx4 but once the tremor came out I want it I’m 14 and half and in a year and a half I get a 2003 Ford F-150 lariat fx4
Should tow that like a bliss in heaven. That's a tiny load for a 7.3 gasser. Trailer axles.look like 8 bolt? But that's a gentle load for your unit. Nice machine.
The difference between the 250 and the Jeep is the f250 will tow that weight every day for 100k miles and still be running. Surely a gladiator will tow that weight but doing it every day will lessen the lifetime of the parts significantly. It has smaller axles, smaller u-joints, smaller transmission parts, etc. The problem now days seems to be that people want the f250 out of want and not out of need. Most people could get by with a f150 or gladiator, both of which are capable. For me I drive a utility bed f250 that is loaded with 1300 lbs of tools all the time, and towing 10k loads often. My truck easily passed 100k miles with just routine maintenance. A f150 or gladiator would be wore out by then.
I really like the new Ford "Godzilla" truck except for two big things. 1) I MUCH prefer a manual transmission. And 2) I want a full eight foot box. For comparison, I drive a 1996 crew cab 4x4 big block 460 (bigger than the 7.3) with a ZF-5 manual trans. Both axels are equipped with manually actuated OX lockers. Trans case is manually actuated. Curb weight is 8,000 lbs. I can tow an 18,500 lb capable beaver tail trailer with no problems.
Your 7.3l is totally different lol. It's a diesel unlike the new one that's a gas. They're literally not even close to being the same other than the displacement number.
Take this into account. The amount of strain on the engines thus cutting the engine life expectancies. Regardless of fuel economy. That 3.6 liters life gets cut in half.
{ Alexander } I’ve owned a 2013 wrangler with a 3.6l. Without towing, just putting a 4 inch lift and 35 inch tires, the engine went out on it’s own by 75k miles. I can’t imagine the stress 5k lbs is putting on that already undersized v6. They only use the v6 for gas mileage. Drew
Gus Redwood Precisely. Not saying that a lucky one won’t come around and tow with it and have it be the little engine that could and have it last 150k plus. But odds are against it.
If You Want To Tow Between 2000 & 5000 LBS, You Should Go With The Mid-Size Truck Like The Ford Ranger EcoBoost, Chevrolet Colorado V6, Jeep Gladiator & Wrangler(SUV) EcoDiesel (That Diesel In Both Of Those Jeeps) & Toyota Tacoma V6 Instead Of The 1/2Tons,3/4 Tons & 1 Tons.
I would pick the F250 all day every day. Pulling a trailer, with a load or empty it is just the better vehicle. The jeep is pretty nice but it is an enthusiast vehicle it is just a different beast altogether.
Just a heads up, your safety chains were not fully engaged. I know why because Ford uses a poor design on the loop holes. I installed D rings and solved this oversite.
In my opinion; if you are going to purchase a gas 7.3 for towing get the 373 ratio, it's a great towing ratio and fuel economy ratio. If you are towing up and down elevations frequently then option for the 430 ratio. This engine is great but it's still a gas engine and with a ten speed transmission and 355 ratio the truck will be constantly searching for the proper gear to be in while towing and you'll be locking out the top gears because it will drive you crazy. I ran a 355 ratio in my 6.7 diesel and it was fine but not gas and not for towing. For example if you are towing anything between 8000 and 12000 lbs your fuel economy will be 8 to 9 mpg regardless of what gear ratio you have. It's not a car so don't expect economy so do yourself a favor and choose between 373 or 430.
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Very interesting...Helps me currently...I am between getting an F150 or a F250...Great job...Thanks for sharing...
WSario own a f150 I’d go F250 or 350 if doing it again. Even with 1750 payload it fills fast with a travel trailer, dog, kids, pedal bikes, kayaks. 350 maybe because you can’t find many gas trucks in co and I want more payload if I’d have to go diesel.
If finances allow I'd go f250. Personally I found that it doesn't take much travel trailer and gear to get close to a 150/1500 payload restrictions.
my vote is for the ford easier to tow with... plus you dont feel like a sardine.
It depends what you do with it. If you tow heavy, get the 250. If you offroad more, get the 150.
@@RJZJR1 The cabs in the F150 and F250 are the exact same.
Great truck! Love to see some real world comparison between the new engine and the 6.2.
Yess!!
Yes! This is what we need! Acceleration test while towing etc etc. Head to head. And mpg.
Yes please compare the 6.2 to the 7.3. In the market for a F250 and would like to see the pros and cons.
Yes please compare the 6.2 to the 7.3. In the market for a F250 and would like to see the pros and cons.
Definitely want to see how the 7.3 matches up to the 6.2 but WITH THE 10 SPEED!
MY GRAMPS HAS A HUGE FORD EXCURSION.,V10 GAS ENGINE. IT PULLS HIS 10,000 POUNDS HORSE TRAILER EASY! WE LOVE THE V10, 769,000! Miles! Orig. Still strong
Send a vid into TFL dude I love my truck then.
Captain America America My Step dad has a 3/4 ton with the V10 with the banks heads and exhaust conversion 38’ rv toy hauler liked it stock but the conversion made him love it.It was around $5;000 dollars counting labor but more power 6 mpg better empty 4 towing they go from Tennessee to Alaska twice a year.My Excursion was 7.3 diesel but I lost it in a garage fire.Wish ford would bring it back!
Captain America America God bless 👍🏻🇺🇸
@Dirty Harry Your thinking of the expedition, Excursion went out of production in 06. I have a 00 V10 Excursion myself and the v10 has prenty of power for my 7k lbs trailer pulling up and down the mountains. 211,000 miles and the pinion is making noise now but 3 sets of plugs and still the original trans doing great.
Always wanted an excursion with a 7.3.
Thanks Andre. I bought my 2020 F250 Supercab XL STX April 11. I wanted to get out of diesels this round, so giving the 7.3 a try for a few years. Definitely see a big difference with MPG empty. My Ram 6.7 diesel avg. 18 and the 7.3 getting 13.5 (its new, only has 900 miles on it today). But I did see a noticeable improvement since a bought it when it had 8 miles on the odometer. It'll get used this coming week in the field, looking forward to pulling my skid steer with it. I'll keep you posted.
Would love to know if you have towed with the 7.3 yet and what you thought? Suitable power for a gas engine?
@@professordickweed880 , check out the review I put on TH-cam. Pulling 14+K lbs. A few comments and answers
You can never have too much truck. There's no such thing. Always buy more truck than you need.
chad Spidle thank you
Sure. Everyone should have an M977 HEMTT in their driveway 😐
Right on Chad. You ever see the countless 1/2 ton owners towing trailers with their rear tires bulging like their gonna pop and the rear bumper dragging the asphalt 🤣 Just because the truck will move and stop does not mean it's the correct truck. Camper salesmen are the best at lieing to customers
You haven't lived until YOU have to be towed out of the boat ramp while trying to tow YOUR boat out!!!
M1070A1 is the epitome of too much truck. Would love one of those
Out of all the trucks available on the market right now this truck and engine combo is number one on the list for me
Wait a couple years, never buy the first year of a new engine, especially with a new 10 speed transmission
@@irishuwould5185 first off its a push rod engine and if I understand correctly the 10 speed transmission isn't new and has been used for a while now.
@@geekmechanic1473 tbf he's right wait for any potential issues (keyword here is POTENTIAL) to be sorted out first
I would take less fuel mileage for a less stressed towing experience.
yeah me too, I currently use my explorer v6 to haul my boat which is about 2.5k and I can feel the engine giving a bit more effort to go. I need a bigger engine.
I have towed with all makes, models and different size engines, when it comes to towing with a gas engine you can't beat a large cubic inch engine, I once had a EcoBoost and loved it but when towing it was always making boost to pull the load and seemed stressed, went with a 6.2 Ford Superduty pulling the same loads and the engine is much more happier, that's my 2 cents
@@gregc9220
I agree. There's no replacement for displacement.
Same here
@@gregc9220 I disagree with this statement. It almost sounds like you are comparing a Superduty (F250 or greater to a F150). The weight difference alone will make the larger model feel more stable. Also you didn't state which Ecoboost model you are directly comparing, there's multiple. The 3.L is the largest Ecoboost engine. I owned a few 3.5 L Ecoboost's and a 6.2L, all F150's. 12, 14, 16, and 17. The smaller Ecoboost's suck compared to 3.5 IME. I towed alot of miles on all. Moved most of our stuff multiple trip's by a 8x10 single axle enclosed trailer 800 miles one way. The 6.2 downshifted way more, it's powerband is closer to 5000 RPM, the 3.5 L is at 2250 RPM. While the 3.5L Eco mileage just sucked towing, especially compared in drop to 6.2, but not towing 3.5 mileage much better. Hands down the 3.5L was much better to tow with, more power readily available and less downshifting and less engine noise due to it running at a lower RPM. The 3.5 L behaves more like a diesel, lots of low end torque. Granted tbe boost is increasing engine pressures, but the lower RPM scream was much better to me as was hearing the engine noise. Then later pair that 3.5 to the 10 speed and it was really nice. Granted the 6.2 was a 6 speed and all other 3.5's were 6 speeds. There's also gear ratio's that'll make a difference. Mine were all 3.73's and 4.10's.
If I had a choice I'd take a 3.5L over a 6.2L any day in a F150. I tow fairly often probably every few weeks and not overly heavy loads. Even when I towed heavier loads, 3.5 was better. Same trailer, same speed same loading on 6 spds, same hill, 3.5 Eco might downshift to 5th, typically wouldn't unless wind. 6.2 downshifted commonly to 4th and sometimes 3rd.
12:20 sums it up perfectly.
This truck will pull that trailer everyday with no issues in comfort at a cost of 2mpg. While the Jeep can pull that every weekend but if tasked to pull all the time the life expectancy of the engine or transmission will be reduced
The 7.3 truck gets worse mpg (than the Jeep towing) on that loop without any load...That’s not the point of the heavy duty truck to get great mpg. The point is that super duty doesn’t know that trailer is there and that Jeep looked like it was about to break the rear axle and throw a rod out of the block towing the same trailer.
R J I bet my Ram Cummins dually could make that fix or repair daily beer can look stressed towing. These people do nothing but hype up that piece of shit Furd, Iam still waiting for the new Ram 6.4 with the 8 speed maybe there scared Furd won't look so good against the new Ram. This channel has become nothing more than a Furd commercial, maybe next time they should test a Furd ranger against a Ram 6.4 2500. Funny they only compare that shitty Furd to smaller trucks.
@@davidharris9259 - LMAO 😂 ram sucks. That Ford would fly by your turd pulling more weight.
I’ve been pulling a forest river hyper lite 29hfs for about 4 years now with a 2010 F150 with a 5.4l engine and 3.55 gears it was also a heavy half ton with the better suspension. One of the last stout F150s made. The trailer is a 2017 and weighs roughly 6800 lbs dry. Payload capacity is just about 2600 lbs and an gvwr of 9900lbs. Oh, did I mention it’s a toy hauler. So you can load about 2000 lbs behind the axles. They are different than other trailers when hauling. The weight distribution is set up to haul a toy. When it’s empty in back, they can get squirrely to say the least.
The F150 pulled it well, but wind would may it feel like you’re going backwards. Side winds absolutely made for a white knuckle ride. I would avoid 20 mph side winds like the plague, when I could.
2020- enter Godzilla!! What a major improvement a real truck will make. Zilla not only pulls this trailer, it’s like it’s not back there. If I didn’t look at my mileage I may not know it’s there. Pulls great, all the sway from passing vehicles is gone,mostly, and takes a good side wind like a champ. Nose into a stiff wind and Drop a gear or two and keep going. Absolutely love the 10 speed. It’s flawless. Ford has a winner in this rig, and not all the maintenance, noise, smell, and other expense of a diesel. Oh by the way, huge fan of Diesel engines when needed. The 7.3l proves they are not. I love it!
My two cents worth.
Try an emergency maneuver in that Jeep with that trailer compared to the F250.
Both should be fine if everything was set up correctly.
@@ALMX5DP False. No setup can defeat physics. If you have to abruptly change lanes at speed, a light rear end will be less able to redirect the trailer's inertia so that it follows the truck. It will be more likely to jackknife.
@ 73excursion
yeah your right... better to own the truck that gets 12 MPG all day every day ,on the one chance you tow with it case you need to stop or swerve? Stay in school (einstein)
Been there done that lol the f250 tells the trailer what to do, the Jeep gets its guidance from the trailer 😂
@@AmericanSurvival001 its all about perspective and budget. I have rigs, a couple backhoes and other equipment. I tow a few times a week. And for me, 12mpg is great. I'm used to way less. And my wife drives a 2018 f250 diesel. Just in case she has to tow something.😂
I love how these have the same old spring buckets on the front that havent changed since the 60s. Keeps things simple and reliable
I basically am the poster child for this video... I had a 2016 F-150 5.0 which was rated for 10k and I was only towing up to 4.5k. So last year I traded it in on a 2019 Ranger and it's worked out just fine for me. That 2.3 Ecoboost tows my boat or side by side like a beast and gets about 14-15 MPG while doing it.
I would have never turned on the tow haul for such a light weight for that truck..and I'll bet it would get better mileage and never hurt the transmission..i used to be a Ford dealer tech...and everything everyone is saying about that transmission..it will be ok...and ill also bet that the jeep will burn 🔥 that trans out in mid summer in the desert...witch is where someone would be hauling one of those in the summer
I'd like the see the same trucks tow a 5k pound 8ft wide, 10ft tall travel trailer to see how they handle a wind load.
I’d like to see this test with a half ton truck. I think it’s a good test of what a lot of us are doing with our personal trucks.
I'm a big ram fan, but this 7.3 gas from Ford has me intrigued.
Yeah if you own a Ram you have way to much money left over get the ford (buy parts)
Just got the 7.3 with 355. It's a monster.
@Robert Condon nice. It might be something I'd be interested in after they update the super duty's interior. I'm a huge ram fan, but I've always had a soft spot in my heart for certain fords
I just ordered a 2022 f250 xlt with the the 7.3 and 4.30 gears. Can't wait for it arrival. Truly impressive.
Great seeing newer ones like this that I've never even seen in my life. Will always love good oldschool though.
That’s pretty good. My 2006 Honda Ridgeline averaged 9 mpg towing a 2500lb trailer at 60 mph cross country because it was always revving it’s guts out. My next truck will be a Godzilla powered F350 Tremor.
What kind of camper? My 4 cylinder Tacoma gets about 20mpg towing my Miata (~3000lbs but pretty aerodynamic), and I've pulled a 6x12 Uhaul a few times and still got 17-18 with those. Surprised the Ridgeline got that little, being it shouldnt struggle too bad having 100 extra hp and an additional gear (mine is a manual 5 speed).
To me this is a better test than the max load tests. My EcoBoost gets similar with that exact load behind it.
thanks -- I knew the Godzilla was coming but I got the 2019 F250 with the 6.2. Yes it came with the 6 speed transmission and I knew the 2020 would have the 10 speed transmission. Two points. 1. The 6 speed transmission is tried and true whereas I had done some research and the 10 speed transmission which as is the F150s and Chevys were having issues and were not being recalled. So I went with the tried and true. My 6.2 gives me about 15 MPG with a load on the highway and about 13 in the city. I actually get better gas mileage, along with the capabilities, than a full size toyota tundra and nissan titan of which both have lesser payload and towing capabilities. I figured that there would be an additional cost for the Godzilla engine back in 2019 when I was getting my 2019 F250. Thanks again for showing the details.
F150 10 speed isn't the same as the F250 10 speed.
If I were towing a fair bit, I wouldn’t even consider the Gladiator. (Unless it was a couple dirt bikes, or a couple of quads) I think it’s a great off road platform, with a lot of aftermarket support, but don’t think it’s the greatest choice if you are going to tow a lot. Toss in some hills, and that little engine is gonna strain, wearing it out quicker.
We made the mistake of taking my Best Friends Brand New F250 to Idaho from Iowa going Elk hunting one year and got 11-12 MPG that opened my eyes about 3/4 ton trucks and if we would of took my GMC Sierra 1500 truck we would of gotten slightly over 17 MPH and that's huge. We were towing nothing. Yea if your towing a skid loader a lot yea buy a 3/4 ton truck if not get a 1/2 ton truck.
There is a fair amount to getting a MPG. Certainly they won't get crazy good MPG, but even in my Raptor I can eek out 18+ while others brag about 12-13 MPG. The driver, conditions, and such make a huge difference.
Would have taken forever at 17 mph
I have a 2018 Ram 2500 6.7 Cummins that gets consistent 21-23 mpg without a load doing 70-75 on the interstate. Pulled my lund fishing boat 2300 miles from PA to Montana when I moved last year and averaged 18 mpg. Boat and trailer around 4300 lbs. No issues and that diesel purred .Gas engine is more than enough on the 1500 for lighter boats and trailers.
Confidence that your truck can handle heavy loads and do it safely is immeasurable .
WOW THAT'S AMAZING YOU COULD'VE SAVED $200 ON A 2500 MILE TRIP. I BET YOU COULD RETIRE WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY.
I like Andre’s solo reviews. The best choice for that load is 1/2 ton. My 3.5 eco boost gets 14 with 5-7k LBs, I’m sure some get even better.
Nah I think a midsize suits that fine unless you plan on also hauling a full load of passengers and a ton of cargo ath the same time, then it's probably best to step up.
I own a '17 3.5 Eco and constantly tow a 20' Wells Cargo aluminum enclosed trailer weighing roughly 5-6k loaded. I average 8-9mpg on the highway, driving the speed limit or slower. I have never seen 10mpg towing. My truck does have a leveling kit with 275/65/20 tires also. Turbos are always spooled up
No u dont get 14mpg towing
@@carlhothan6312 “bro my 3.5 eco boost gets 14+ mpg with that load and has more power and torque than the 7.3!” Some youtuber
@@javadose317 Sold the truck and purchased a 3/4 diesel. No comparison!
So my 2021 Thor motorhome with the new 7.3L gasser has been a big surprise for me. It’s built on the E450 platform and weighs just a little over 12,000# and it’s tow capacity is 8,000#. I regularly tow my Jeep on a trailer and that weighs 7200#. With 6speed auto transmission, I’m averaging 9.1 mpg. Without the trailer, I’m getting 10.6mpg. I’m impressed with the new ford motor
I have a 4,500lbs travel trailer which I tow with my 4.7 dodge ram , it give the job done but going up a a hill or passing the truck doesn’t really have much power, I can’t wait to get this 7.3 in my drive way then only then I would be so much happier 😂
I wonder how much better mpg would have been if it had 4:30 gears, especially with stop and go conditions. This is my dream truck though for sure. I would love to see this engine is a regular cab 4x4 king bed though. That would be sweet
That frigging music...by the end I was expecting Bob Barker to come out.
1:53. OMG, you can actually see the ground under the PICK-UP, through the engine bay. So no pulling the engine to change the plugs.
Good comparison for the “occasional tower” to decide best vehicle to meet their needs. Why not run same 5000# trailer w/other HD diesel trucks & 1/2 ton diesels & gasoline to compare MPG?
Seems like a big miss to not update this 5000lb towing series with other midsize, 1/2 ton, and 3/4 ton trucks. I would think most occasional towers wouldn't be pulling more than 5k lbs since a medium size camper weighs about that as well as a motorboat and trailer.
It'd be a waste testing a diesel 3/4+ at 5k pounds lol. That's simply just too much truck and too expensive. You could just assume if you had that money to waste you can just get the big diesel and be fine wouldn't even need to test it.
I think it is a better comparison to compare F-150 base V-6 vs F-250 with 7.3 towing the same payload.
My 2015 f350 6.7 gets 9.7mpg towing 14k pounds most of its life. Just for comparison.
@@jeffhall768 That's pretty low for a diesel.
7:15 I thought one of the primary reasons tow haul came about in the '90's was that it turns off the lockup torque converter, which can get burnt out when towing/hauling. In my Dodge tow haul registers "5" instead of drive meaning it can go into high OD gear without locking up.
I get about 10 MPG on my 2020 Ford F550 7.3 Gas Rollback with 6,000 lbs load. I thought they would make the F250 a little more fuel efficient since it's a smaller truck.
Boy I would like a F150 Lariat with the 7.3L. No replacement for displacement!!
Bring back the lighting with this motor.
Hell the F150 should at least have the 6.2L V8 as an option, maybe a "performance" package option.
Forced induction is the replacement for displacement.
You can never have too much truck. As someone who tows very often I can say I will take a giant truck for a little trailer that is less than the trucks towing cap. A truck that is maxed out towing all the time is going to wear out faster and cause you much more stress. Not to mention if I have to stop or dodge an obstacle in the road I want to do it with confidence and not get all squirrelly
10 mpgs huh.... Not bad. That's what I get with my 2019 f150 supercrew 4x4 with the 5.0 V8 when I tow my rzr and trailer (approximately 4,000 lbs). That's since I put a 3" lift and a set of new Ford Raptor takeoff rims and tires (35" BFGs). It got about 15 mpg towing with the stock 32" tires and no lift. It has also been tuned by 5 star and has alot more power but it seems to get about the same mpg whether its tuned or stock, but it's amazing what 3" more of tire can rob you on fuel economy
Thats horrible. a fkn old ass humvee would get that mileage.
You need to swap gears man, thats horrible
Not sure if you recalibrated your speedometer. If you didn't you will actually be getting slightly better fuel mileage than you reported
Would love to own that beast.
Interesting fact: the idea of 3/4 ton being a 7000lb goliath is a result of 'gaming the system' of CAFE standards. "3/4 tons" used to range from like 6500 to 8000lbs GVWR - that means curb weight PLUS payload. It was the the "1 ton" that was at the 8500lb rating. In fact the original 1975 CAFE law only ran up to 6000lbs GVWR, which was once where 3/4 tons started. Then you had the mid '70's "F150" and Chevy "Big 10" and "D 150" placed above the F100 , C10 and D100, where they had 3/4 ton range payloads of 6001+ GVWR. When CAFE first came in for trucks, the only ratings were on the lightest models, and they didn't even rate 4x4s at all. Around 1980 the Govt began rating 4x4 half tons and 3/4 tons below 8500lbs gvwr. So that's when you saw the "C6P" Chevy HD 3/4 ton emphasized (they still had a lighter 3/4 ton for a while that was CAFE rated, but you couldn't get the 454 engine). As we know now, eventually all 3/4 tons simply became "HD" or 8501 GVWR and above. This GMC brochure from '78 shows all 3/4 tons below 8500lbs GVWR. www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/gmc/78gmcn/bilder/13.jpg
Thanks Andre. While I wait trying to decide what to order, one of the options is the F250 Tremor. The camper I pull is only about 3500 lbs, so the F250, F150, and Ram Rebel are all way more than I need. But there is one other aspect to consider is the payload capacity. When camping for weeks at a time I put quite a bit of stuff in the bed including generators, lawn chairs, etc. Again not a problem for any of the vehicles I mentioned, however it does push the limits on my Chevy Colorado ZR2. This did answer one question on mileage when towing, and it sounds like I'll be a lot better off with the F150 or the Rebel, particularly the F150 with the 3.5L ecoboost. Hell my Chevy Colorado gets about 11-12 mpg towing.
As much as I like the Tremor, this pretty much convinced me to scratch it off the list. The diesel while better at $8000 more than the 7.3L wouldn't pay for itself in savings over the life of the truck based on the mileage I expect to put on.
So this video was really helpful, than you for doing it.
Don't forget passengers are part of your cargo too. Get lets say 4 200 pound guys in a crew cab and you're already at 800 pounds, which is roughly half of a 1500's safe payload.
Gotta remember too that this test was all stop and go. If you're taking trips camping you're usually not driving in a city for the most part. Highway mileage would help this test out a lot.
@@mdingle11 Maybe, but the drag goes up at highway speeds, so it might not make that much difference. I wish they had shown what the mileage for the same loop without the trailer.
Calling the gladiator anything other than an abortion is a stretch, let alone calling it a truck.
Its a cool concept, but its the worst of both worlds. Too long to be used as a real off road Jeep, and not enough engine to be used as a truck.
Finally a truck that's payload capacity matches to it's towing weight so it can have enough tongue weight so the truck doesn't fishtail or squat
I just picked up a brand new 2020 Tremor, with the 7.3l for less than that truck costs. Awesome truck so far. Gas mileage is so so, but you don’t buy a big truck if you are worried about gas mileage. If you are going to do any towing, a 3/4 ton is the way to go. Less stressful, and far safer.
Ordering mine tomorrow
So basically for loads over 4,000 pounds but under 7,000 pounds get a half ton truck. Skip the Midsize that works too hard and save by not getting the 3/4 ton because its more truck than you need. Got it.
The 24 mile loop is far too short for accuracy using pump auto shut off, I realize don't always have time for your 100 mile loop. Could easily be off .2 gal. fuel up or down, which changes mpg by approx .8 Mpg. Still enjoyed the video and like that new F250.
It’s amazing how these hitches are moving the load so far back. What’s wrong with a normal receiver hitch with a load that light?
Advertising, that hitch will never move with that light load.
You make a good point. The hitch does the opposite of what is needed. The heavier the load, the closer it should be to the axel, not further. Again, good observation.
Short answer,,,NOTHING, everyone is advertising nowadays
@@Nostradamus_Order33 not sure if "opposite" is the correct term to use there. And even if it's a few inches it's nothing that's going to compromise the towing ability. All hitches will have some distance from the receiver, so unless you use a hitch extension (for use with a truck camper) it's fine.
The weight moves fast in small lengths. Just ask any semi driver who’s out sliding axles to adjust weight thousands of pounds per notch.
Great video Andre!!
Love the series your doing on the truck. Great trim pick and good details on the electric assist steering for us.
I personally can’t say enough about how the heavier chassis is better to tow anything with. Camping with an atv and 5000 lbs was always effortless. I was waiting to blow a spark plug out of my cylinder head towing heavier loads thru the Rockies though...
look into the tax loophole that Canada has for the F-250-350 series and the “luxury taxes”
The 250’s are comfortable and great but the dealers seem to steer you away to a 150 or 350 for tax purposes. It Makes sense on paper, but in my opinion they are so similar that maybe the split should be at the 150 / 1500 lines (dodge and GM) not the 250/350 for the tax evasion ish platform we work with. Sorry for the blah blah, but I always thought it changed the end result of what people wind up purchasing. You guys love the experience so 🤷🏼♂️Be safe, be cool and have fun y’all!!
I would love to see Roman, Nathan, Andre and Steve riding in that Polaris at the same time. Will make for a hilarious video.
GOOD MORNING, NICE TRUCK, LOVE THE EXHAUST. NICE MASK
Great job & MPG real world info. My 16' Nissan V6 Desert Runner pulls my 600# Alumna trailer and 1400# RZR and averages 13.8 MPG. I added a Hellwig sway bar (also reduces feed back from the leaf springs) to my truck. This 2WD truck with all around disc brakes was at least $10K less then a 4WD Taco and Nissan offered $3K more for my 04' Taco trade in then Toyota offered.
I think a half ton would be the best for towing 5,000 pounds, it wouldn’t struggle and it’s not really overkill on size (compared to a hd)
I agree. On a regular basis id say up to 4000 for mid size and up to 7000 for half ton. Obviously they are capable of a little more than that on the rare occasions you'd need it, but if I was doing 7,8,or 9 thousand pound area on a regular basis id want a 3/4 ton
i've got a 2020 ford f-150 fx4 with the 3.5 eco-boost max tow package...i pulled my camper weighing in at approx. 6,000lbs 650 miles round trip...fastest speed was 66 mph and i averaged 8.8 mpg...slower speed of about 55-60 i went up to 9.4 mpg....pulled it no problem
So glad your putting out videos keeping us going during this time. I only wonder how you can do a mileage route with 20 milesand think its a fair comparison. I understand the premiss your working under. What truck is right for differant people, but both of these trucks are way out of there intended comfort the Jeep is so not a trailer towing truck, its obviously off road biased, and the superduty in town mileage with a 5000lb trailer its never allowed to get up to speed where the mileage would be better. Any base model 1/2 ton truck would pull that trailer and get decent mileage and save its owner 20 grand.
Thanks for the video Andre. One suggestion, I know the original designation of light duty, medium duty, and heavy duty trucks is old. Yes, the 7.3 is a medium duty engine, but medium duty trucks are F-550’s
So with that, the 7.3L V8 in a light duty F250 will or should last 30+ years if taken care of. The 7.5L 460 V8 in my 88 F250 is still going strong with well over 700k on it, and the C6 transmission is still going as well. Just can't kill those old trucks, they were built to work.
@@wildbill23c it was the Nickle content in the iron back then, one of my older trucks still on the road today an 88 Dakota 4x4, is going on 450,000 original miles now. These modern trucks are built with inferior metals in the engines, the bodies, and the frames... They will NOT last like our 80's trucks. Plus you can always adjust a carburetor, but where is the computer going to be in 30 years to service that Ford? r.i.p.
Thanks again Andre... I love the Godzilla truck..Lots of power☺
Always enjoy your reviews. Similar to your Ike mileage runs, are you driving the same streets for your city runs on each truck? City comparisons are tough, the variables are almost overwhelming.
Thank you team for another well done informative demonstration to real world testing. Because your content has been pretty darned good, I actually crawled out from under my donor underground bunker and came out into the world finding myself after hours visiting Jeep Gladiators. I believe they look much better in person than video portrays.
My issue, is with Pentastar, I fail victim to the law suit going on with 2012 model years. $43,000 flushed down the commode. Still not a good feeling inside me.
The F-250 gas seems like a good option for civilians who tow a heavier trailer long distance or more frequently. These new 3/4 ton trucks seem like they are a lot easier to live with on a daily basis than they were 10-20 years ago. I would choose the 7.3 over the old 6.2 for sure.
Never had any issues with my 88 F250 pulling trailers, the 460 V8 never missed an opportunity for a gas station but it would pull whatever I wanted.
I love how people now refer to those outside of their industry as “civilians.” It’s like a comedian saying people who don’t do comedy are “civilians.”
I wish you would test more 2wd standard cab 8ft bed “Work” trucks. Or at least one.
They just tested a chevy in this version. I know they have tested Rams like this in the past
The legend of Guzzilla lives on
Its a great motor. I have an F450 commercial duty w/ 12 ft bed. Weights 18000 lbs with my tools on it. Goes right up freeway ramps.
I can put a pallet of concrete bags on the very back and don't even notice it. In the ride or power train. 10 speed trans is phenomenal - except put putting around town.
7.3 vs 6.2 - no match. 7.3 blows my 6.2 F250 away. Better mileage on the 7.3 also. Of course my F250 has 40" tires on it. That may have an effect
Ford makes the best truck
They all make shitty trucks!
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk you sir are correct. Ford hasn't made a decent truck in many years. Same with the other brands.
GoryBongHit you got that right! Ram hasn't made a good truck since 2016, Ford since 2013 and gmc? Idk, I just got a 20 gmc sierra with the 3.0 duramax and at 146 miles, blew the front diff. I'm not impressed by the engine at all.
John Doe I absolutely agree, they all are mixing bags. One is ultra reliable, one has a nice ass interior, one has a powerful engine. I.E, the Tundra, the Ram, and the Ford. And that's the issue, if the somebody was to make a truck that had all off those things, it then I would consider it better than the competition. But right now, every truck has ONE strong suit, that's it.
2017escapo you're absolutely right!
@The Fast Lane Truck :
Good review Andre. Honest fuel mileage ratings. Simply put, these are 9 - 12 mpg work trucks, much like all gas F-250/F-350's have always been. Nothing more.
It's too bad the USA has made owning & operating diesels less affordable thanks to all the ridiculously unreliable & costly emissions controls, DEF, & overpriced diesel fuel.
Sure am glad I still run old trucks that have zero emissions crap on them. The ole 7.3L Powerstroke & the 5.9L Cummins... Both are still more powerful, more fuel efficient, and more practical than any big block gasser ever dreamt of being... new, old, or what have you.
Tow/haul mode locks the torque converter in most gears, and hold the gear longer(higher rpm shift points). I know with my 2019 6.7 Powerstroke I use the engine brake everytime I drive, because it locks the torque converter in 2nd-6th. Touch brake pedal for one second and it down shifts. I have 75% of the brake pad life left and 45,000km and I tow a 10k fifthwheel regularly
1:53. Looks like there's some room for a turbo or two in there...
I feel you need to do this test now with a half ton. Just saying... In my opinion... Small truck, small trailer, medium truck, medium trailer, big truck, any trailer you want!
I had a 5th wheel and a little Seadoo. I towed with a F-450. The 5th wheel looked right behind the F-450 but when I towed the Seadoo I had too much truck.
Man guys we love this F2 50 please do more videos and much more modifications we would love to see a cold air intake and a very large cam and a lift kit on this truck with some off-road suspension goodies make it a F2 50 raptor
My carbureted hd pickup truck gets same mileage towing although a stock 350 chevy is well under 200 hp and under 300 torque
Finally! Finally! Don’t get me wrong. The Ike Gauntlet is informative and entertaining, but according to the U.S. Dept. of Transportation, the average distance of weekend trip was 29mi in 2017. Could you guys develop “The Weekend Loop” of 60 - 80 miles. Will you run the Ecoboost with the trailer? Godzilla is an option to consider. Stay safe guys.
My Tundra gets 9-10 mpg driving in city with 2,000 pounds payload day in day out. I think the ford is a good option for my needs.
Ordering my Tremor tomorrow!
When they aren’t building trucks why order? Ford just sent my money back for my deposit on my F350 Lariat.My order won’t be pulled but didn’t feel right holding my money while on shutdown.
What about doing that same test with the 2020 Ford ranger
Please do a new tow variation. Pull a travel trailer and see how your tow’s do against a load that may not be near max tow rating but is a brick-ish load and see how mpg and drivetrain handle the high air resistance of a Travel Trailer. A lot of us pull them and are interested to know!!
Thanks TFL Truck!!!!
I too have a 2020 F250 with the Godzilla motor. I get that gas milage (10mpg) towing a 9,000 # 5th wheel in the mountains.
What gears do you have?
Cracks me up that the trailer weighs more than the load
Well like many comments here say, buy more than you need right?
That trailer is built for hauling vehicles and construction equipment not toys, that's why its so heavy.
Why is that funny? Quite common.
What cracks me up are all these guys that buy these massive hitches that weigh more than their load.
Great Vid! Thanks Andre! Stay Healthy!
One of the reasons to switch to Ford if you are going 3/4 ton over Ram, is Ram's 2500 back seat is much smaller than their 1500. Not so with the F250. For a family of 4 and a dog that extra space is very useful.
It would interesting to see mpg difference on a drive loop with a few long climbs added.
Better than a small truck pulling a big trailer.
I’m curious if some of the suspension changes they implemented were to mitigate any of the problems with the 17’-19’ models having front suspension issues (steering dampener, track bar, bearing) issues? Sadly I had to sell mine because of this.
My dream trucks has been my whole rapture a first gen raptor and f250 Lariat 6.7l diseal with the tremor package it used to be and fx4 but once the tremor came out I want it I’m 14 and half and in a year and a half I get a 2003 Ford F-150 lariat fx4
Should tow that like a bliss in heaven. That's a tiny load for a 7.3 gasser. Trailer axles.look like 8 bolt? But that's a gentle load for your unit. Nice machine.
The difference between the 250 and the Jeep is the f250 will tow that weight every day for 100k miles and still be running. Surely a gladiator will tow that weight but doing it every day will lessen the lifetime of the parts significantly. It has smaller axles, smaller u-joints, smaller transmission parts, etc.
The problem now days seems to be that people want the f250 out of want and not out of need. Most people could get by with a f150 or gladiator, both of which are capable. For me I drive a utility bed f250 that is loaded with 1300 lbs of tools all the time, and towing 10k loads often. My truck easily passed 100k miles with just routine maintenance. A f150 or gladiator would be wore out by then.
Once I started with goose neck trailers there is no going back. Only bumper I use is fertilizing with a buggy.
That’s an awesome truck!
Your safety chains are not clipped in .If u hit a bump there going to fall off .Safety first !!!
Was noticing this also. Poor design on the trailer hitch should be revamped for safety reasons and simplicity of use.
@HalfShell poor design by Ford. Much larger and easier to access in a Tundra.
Major design flaw with the factory reciever hitch
I really like the new Ford "Godzilla" truck except for two big things. 1) I MUCH prefer a manual transmission. And 2) I want a full eight foot box. For comparison, I drive a 1996 crew cab 4x4 big block 460 (bigger than the 7.3) with a ZF-5 manual trans. Both axels are equipped with manually actuated OX lockers. Trans case is manually actuated. Curb weight is 8,000 lbs. I can tow an 18,500 lb capable beaver tail trailer with no problems.
Great info….i run a 7.3 that is 18 years old so knowing the struggles a midsize has helps out
Your 7.3l is totally different lol. It's a diesel unlike the new one that's a gas. They're literally not even close to being the same other than the displacement number.
Not even close to the same engine...your 18 year old 7.3L V8 is a diesel. The current one is a gas engine, not even of the same design.
Take this into account. The amount of strain on the engines thus cutting the engine life expectancies. Regardless of fuel economy. That 3.6 liters life gets cut in half.
{ Alexander } I’ve owned a 2013 wrangler with a 3.6l. Without towing, just putting a 4 inch lift and 35 inch tires, the engine went out on it’s own by 75k miles. I can’t imagine the stress 5k lbs is putting on that already undersized v6. They only use the v6 for gas mileage.
Drew
Gus Redwood Precisely. Not saying that a lucky one won’t come around and tow with it and have it be the little engine that could and have it last 150k plus. But odds are against it.
If You Want To Tow Between 2000 & 5000 LBS, You Should Go With The Mid-Size Truck Like The Ford Ranger EcoBoost, Chevrolet Colorado V6, Jeep Gladiator & Wrangler(SUV) EcoDiesel (That Diesel In Both Of Those Jeeps) & Toyota Tacoma V6 Instead Of The 1/2Tons,3/4 Tons & 1 Tons.
Is the MSRP about the same for the 250 and the Jeep?
My 17 ecoboost gets 14-16mpg towing a comparable trailer weight and has tons of power on hand.
Could you imagine an Ecoboost 7.3L?
I would pick the F250 all day every day. Pulling a trailer, with a load or empty it is just the better vehicle. The jeep is pretty nice but it is an enthusiast vehicle it is just a different beast altogether.
Lol, “is it too much truck?”
Just a heads up, your safety chains were not fully engaged. I know why because Ford uses a poor design on the loop holes. I installed D rings and solved this oversite.
John Ambro agreed, but those hooks are not likely to come loose. Ford should update the design
Tks Andre as always spot on information
Same test with a 3.5 expedition
In my opinion; if you are going to purchase a gas 7.3 for towing get the 373 ratio, it's a great towing ratio and fuel economy ratio. If you are towing up and down elevations frequently then option for the 430 ratio. This engine is great but it's still a gas engine and with a ten speed transmission and 355 ratio the truck will be constantly searching for the proper gear to be in while towing and you'll be locking out the top gears because it will drive you crazy. I ran a 355 ratio in my 6.7 diesel and it was fine but not gas and not for towing.
For example if you are towing anything between 8000 and 12000 lbs your fuel economy will be 8 to 9 mpg regardless of what gear ratio you have. It's not a car so don't expect economy so do yourself a favor and choose between 373 or 430.
@HalfShell The f350 has 3.73 standard and the 4.30 is optional. The f250 has the 3.55 and 4.30.
False info on the axle ratio.
There is a 4:30 axle ratio avail
He said the 3.55 is the highest ratio available, they also come with 4.10 or 4.30 gears
Not impressive numbers. About the same as my 99 with the V10. The 7.3 was supposed to be a big improvement in mpg over the V10.
No it wasn't, the last consumer trucks with the V10 was 2010 haha
How does Colorados elevation effect mpg
Robert Nugent You’re 99 F2 50 is about 1000 pounds lighter to
They offered the v10 in the 550 650 750 way later than 2010