nice job but... Ryzen master is an tempory tool... Put all the parameters in the bios... And forget ryzenmaster. You should do it in the next video. I do it with my 7600. But i limit my ppt to 105w and my curve optimizer was only max minus 30 for a stable system with no error with occt stress cpu test avx512. In gaming 65°c max and in occt max 80°c. Max in cpu-z 5.35 ghz in occt 5.25 ghz. Next video, ryzenmaster setting in the bios? thanks for your work and video. Not an easy work i think. Sorry for my english... Have a nice day
I can never thank you enough for recommending the MINISFORUM EliteMini UM780 XTX computer. It works like a champion and it runs all my programs and games. I've bought THREE laptop computers (a Dell, a Toshiba and an Hp. ALL THREE failed in less than a year (and even at that, they were erratic before they failed). I am a very happy camper now. Thank you.
Does the 7000 series generally allow significantly lower CO settings than Ryzen 5000? A negative 50 seems like a lot to me. I've had a stability issue in a few games at -30 on a 5800X and ended up settling for -20 rather than trying to figure out better per core settings. It was interesting to hear your warnings about the automatic optimizer. I had the same experience with it picking per core settings that failed in a basic load test on my 5800X I really wish that they had improved it
Thanks for the video, would this issue be less of a problem if I increased the power supply size? For the first time ever I paid for a custom built PC (I've always built my own) as I didn't have the time (I was desperate for work) to research all the new components and build a new one and just assumed that the high price I paid would guarantee I got a high end computer and I've had a lot of temperature/performance issues with it especially when gaming even though it's all water cooled. Regards, Nick.
Good info. And to add on to this ... ZEN5 (9000) series adds Curve Shaper to the mix. I havent tried it in Ryzen Master but I have in BIOS. Is allows you you apply the CO offset differently at different temps/speeds. I haven't gotten too far into it as it can be a little confising but appears to be a powerful tool. A good TH-cam video explaining the function is at the SkatterBencher YT channel. Thanks for all your great tips/tricks and wisdom!!
I got a 7600X and manually underclocking kept crashing mine, so I use PBO level 3 which lowers power draw and voltage while bumping up the clock speeds. has been working great!
Pbo level 3 with whatever temp is the same as using -30 curve optimizer with a max temp setting of whatever level 3 you picked so like level 3 85°c is -30 curve optimizer with 85°c max temp
Since the 5000 series is an option in the bios called performance boost overdrive I have my 7900x with a negative offset of 20 I don't see any loss of performance in gaming but my temps went from the 80,s to the 60,s the cpu still drawing 230W but running lot cooler.I have a 280 mm aio
PBO > Advanced > All cores > Negative > 20 PPT 95 Thermal throttle limit 85 +100Mhz System is stable (overall, in games like Black Myth, Warzone, BF2042, CS2 etc) with 5,145Mhz, max temp was 60.8 Celsius, idle is 33 Celsius degrees with Arctic Freezer III 360mm, idle 32-35 W, down from 85-85 Celsius degrees and 135 W peak. 14839 in CineBench R23 on a system that's perfectly stable and won't crash : D
Hello! At 10:24 after applying undervolt, the soc power dropped from ~13w to ~7w. Did the expo profile of the ram get disabled? What is the average idle power of ryzen 5 7600 after applying undervolt? Thanks in advance!
With a limited budget, would you say a "ASUS Dual Radeon RX 7800 XT OC" is a better choice compared to f.ex. a Nvidia GTX 4060 Ti and also is the Radeon GPU's harder to get drivers for? It's what I've heard from some vendors and it didn't seem to make much sense so thought I'd throw out the question to you. :)
With a limited budget, I would highly recommend not ignoring the used market. The system in this video has a used RTX 2080 that cost me $200. That's half of what both those cards you listed sell for.
@@CyberCPU Thanks for the feedback and I'll consider it. But still, would you say that drivers for Radeon is harder to get then Nvidia or is that just not true?
@@pixel325 I don't think so. The drivers should be readily available for both cards. I'm kind of an Nvidia fan boy though. However, I've been thinking about doing an AMD build at some point to broaden my horizons. 😂😅🤣
@@CyberCPU haha well to be frank I've been an Nvidia fanboy myself, but i got a really good deal on the following setup. ASUS Dual Radeon RX 7800 XT OC and AMD Ryzen 7 7700 CPU with DDR5 5600MHz 32GB and 1TB NVMe SSD, and my dad used to run a radeon on his computer without hassle so been thinking about it a lot. PS. I'd love to see a AMD build from you in the near future.
I am running 3 Nvidia and 2 Radeon GPUs. Getting Radeon drivers (Adrenalin) is very easy. However, Radeon does not have good ray tracing and experiences with upscaling vary depending on the game. Raster performance and native quality is very good with the Radeon GPUs. Updates are communicated both in the driver and by AMD via e-mail. It is only important that you remove the existing driver before updating, as the last updates were always heavily modified.
i have my PBO disabled cause from day 1 the fans would kick up rpm for no reason, or for menial reasons like me opening up file explorer or looking at task manager. So after disabling it i also noticed like a 10c lower temps at both idle and under load. I think they just made it on purpose to lower the life expectancy on the cpu. And incase you're wondering how much performance you may be leaving on the table there is a very reputable article from a trusted company that showed the differences in benchmarks for the 7950x3d with and without PBO and the difference is neglible or in other words not worth having pbo enabled. Just cause the cpu might clock a little higher doesnt mean you will have a significant impact on performance.
I really like this video and encourages me to do the same. I'm afraid at first to do overclocking and undervolting and be addicted to it lol Points for improvements on the video tho: 1. The background on the chart is annoying. 2. Makes the line colors more pop on the screen and probably choose a neat type of graph too. I was watching your last vids on this particular build too. Boy you didn't give up 😂
I think you might be describing voltage incorrectly. 0.006mV is 6uV. I think you just mean to say 6mV or 0.006V. Unless you really are adjusting microvolts with the offsets.
for the 7k series cpu the bios auto v SOC is too high, like almost 1.35-1.4v. remember that's what was burning up the x3d chips. So i'd recommend you monitor it with cpu/id software to see how high it gets on load. And then start lowering it in bios until you lose stability under load. i got mine down to like 1.119-115 with 4x sticks of 16gb ram, the more the memory controller has to work with more memory ranks the more voltage it will need on the vSOC. And note my specs also are with PBO and CPB disabled. if you enable PBO it will lose stability and need higher vSOC to be stable.
Yes. They run a little hotter because AMD made the heat spreader a little thicker in order to have cooler backwards compatibility with AM4. At least that's my understanding. Following this video with a kraken should stop it. However, you might not want to do the auto overclock unless you can get a really low CO offset like I did.
@@CyberCPU Hello and thanks for you excellent vide. I am currently waiting for my 7600x (same price with 7600 where I live). Does the same strategy apply for the 7600x? I don't want to overclock it, just to make it comfortable to run on boot during gaming.
I have a question and was hoping you could help,, My HP ProBook broke so I bought a Z Book and I just dropped the hard drive from my ProBook into my Z Book and after driver update everything is running fine, But when I go on the HP support web site and ask HP to detect my device it detects it as my old ProBook and not Z Book, Is it possible to change this without having to reinstall win 7 OS?
Because not all chips are capable of them. The way processor manufacturers determine what the default settings should be is first by determining what the lowest binned cores can handle and then applying these default settings across the entire SKU. My 7600 is a really good chip. I got lucky with it. Most of the time you would be lucky to hit a -40 offset yet I'm running stable at a -50. So manufacturers are very conservative with their settings and for people that have better silicon, they are able to take advantage of more aggressive limits. It's a gamble called the silicone lottery. I definitely won with this chip but sometimes you don't. It's kind of the nature of the game. Luckily with the manufacturing processes we have today it's much more likely to get a good chip than a bad chip. But the default limits still need to take into account the existence of the bad chips. Otherwise you'd have a lot of users getting instability on lower binned chips and it would make for a poor user experience.
@@yerachmielb1 based on what I've learned in this build, I highly recommend the 7600x. Chances are you're going to change the cooler anyway like I did and it's the same price. The stock cooler that comes with the 7600 just isn't enough.
@@CyberCPU I haven't really seen this type of thing on your channel, but I'm still having a little trouble coming up with a pure performance build within my budget. Any tips?
@@yerachmielb1 Not much of a tip but a decent way to plan it is to start to look at what kind of performance you are looking for. If it's general purpose then you want a good CPU and if it's games and things that can be offloaded onto the GPU then you spend more money on the GPU. Storage performance is usually less important than you might think. That is you don't need the fastest SSD for general use or gaming. A gen 4 M.2 drive is really good enough for most people. Even gen 3 isn't to sneeze at. Someone recently made a test using games and general use software to compare the speed increase you can expect from different drives. The slowest drive was a SATA SSD and the fastest a gen 5 M.2 drive. The improvement in starting games, loading saves and booting Windows was remarkably small. A game that took about 40 seconds to start on a fast Gen 5 M.2 drive took something like 14 seconds longer with the SATA drive. It was similar when looking at loading saves and booting windows. The difference between the SATA drive and the Gen 3 M.2 drive was about 11 seconds. So for going with a Gen 5 drive over a Gen 3 drive you would gain about 3 or possibly 4 seconds when loading a game that at the best took 40 seconds to start. So don't spend too much on the storage unless you absolutely know your use require very fast storage. Now when talking about processors the problems with Intel processors of the 13'th and 14'th generations has really shook things up. Previous to this I would have said a great gaming processor was the 14600K, but currently I don't feel I can say it's a good choice. The fixes from Intel should fix the problems. But "should" is not the same as saying it perfectly fix the problems. Today you can either go with a 12'th gen processor from Intel or the Ryzen 7000 or 9000 series from AMD. 12'th gen from Intel isn't a bad choice, but they are not as fast as what AMD can provide. Best game performance you get from the 7800X3D. There is no question about that. If you want best general performance the 7900X, 7950X, 9900X and 9950X are faster. But it might also be a good idea to look at the i9 12900K as it's still a very capable processor. Motherboards are a touchy subject. For most people a B650 for AMD or a B760 for Intel is just fine. Do notice though that if you intend to use the "K" abilities to overclock a Intel processor you will need a MB with a Z790 or Z690 chipset. A more expensive motherboard is not necessarily faster, so think of what you want from it before paying for a MB that's more expensive. There are differences in power stages on them, but if you are not going to stress it by overclocking that probably doesn't really matter to you. Memory is something you probably won't want to overspend on. Bot the Intel and AMD processors have a official speed defined. This can usually be exceeded a bit without much hassle, but the extreme memories are something you either know you will do the job needed to use or just a waste of money. You can also have a processor that can't handle more extreme settings with regards to memory frequency and CAS speed. From what I remember off the top of my head AMD 7000 and 9000 processors almost always will work with memory rated at 6000 MT and CAS 30. I think a lot of them also can handle 6200 MT and some even higher, but the performance increase doesn't follow with the frequency increase so it's not considered wise to go any higher. Intel processors can handle memory that's a bit faster and from what I remember the performance increase scales better than it does with AMD processors. Still the really fast memory will take more work than just sticking it in the slot and power on the machine. So hunting performance by buying expensive memory is not all that easy or safe. When you look at cooling a good air cooler is perfectly fine for most people, and they can be pretty affordable. For a long time I recommended the Coolermaster Hyper 212 as a decent choice for "normal" processors. It is still a good cooler but I have to say that the Thermalright Peerless Assassin is a better choice if it will fit. If you want an AIO I would recommend you look at the Arctic Liquid Freezer series. They are using a thicker radiator than almost all other AIO's and yet they are selling them at a decent price. They also has been shown to support their customers. When they had a model that had a problem they offered owners to either send their cooler in for service or they could get pack with the parts needed to do it them selves. There are also some really cheap AIO sold that can beat Arctic at the price, but I don't really know much about them. All in all a classic air cooler is basically never going to die. The fans might die, but they are easy and cheap to replace while a AIO has a life expectancy of 5 years and any more than that is a bonus. At the same time a AIO can remove more heat from the processor provided it is at least 240 or 360 mm. Finally you have to consider the look of everything. Me I like my computer in a closed box with no window or galls panels and no RGB or LED lights other than the power LED and the storage activity LED, but I'm an old fart. You may want to allow your idea of aesthetics be a part when choosing the parts. Well the CPU is the odd man out as you won't see it other than when building the system. But perhaps you want a white motherboard, GPU, CPU cooler and so on. This can make the computer a bit more expensive as some versions of a certain color can be more expensive. But it's you who are going to use that computer so it should fit your ideas of what you want it to look like.
one sec: supposedly that "lower usage instability" was ironed out by amd with the CO? that was the sole purpose of this, instead of using an intel-like hard offset-overclock?
Just beware that negative offset as recommended here, _can_ make the system long term unstable during _idle_ or low power workloads. In essential it can cause spontaneus reboots. It will still be stable during load or benchmarking meaning it's hideous. FYI.
Your system is absolutely not stable under -50. Download OCCT and do cpu stress with extreme and core cycling. It will show your chips true limits and only takes about 10 seconds per core to find if it errors. EDIT: Ryzen masters auto offsets are way too optimistic also, if you want, you can try to let it do its "optimization" and run the OCCT core cycler again and see it errors out like no tomorrow. Also sorry if my tone is aggressive or something, I'm not native english speaker. :)
I honestly dont understand , ryzen master dont work on my pc at all . For a year now ive been running fine with bios settings -35 , 10X multy , 80c temp limit , the usual... and my temps never went over 65. NOW im hitting sub 80c and my pc is lagging like a sob . I dont understand
This cpu is amazing, yours is good too mine also works with -50 CO. But you have to put it on a cheap entry level mobo (B650) with 6 phase vrm, works like a charm (weird but when you put cpu power limit in the bios instead playing with ppt cpu pulls much less power with Ryzen Master pbo settings on MSI mobo, I noticed that while monitoring power consumption of cpu on idle). I was able to oc it 5.4 goes to 5.5 with static oc but becomes unstable on full load so you can push it to 5.4 with aio if you want to. I also have R9 7900X and i hate it smiles.
A tech expert is needed to solve my update issue. I installed Windows 11 on an unsupported PC and joined the Windows Insider Program (Dev Channel) to get new updates and features, but I can't update it. It shows that TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot are not available on my PC. I've tried multiple times to bypass this but failed each time. I changed the registry settings and ran various commands, but nothing worked. Can someone please help me update my Insider build version to 24H2?
They have already proven that a bigger cooler or AIO on 7700x just allows the system to push more power into the cpu. You need to limit the voltage with the curve. The 7700X is looking to run around 90c and still be happy. If you are content with it like AMD seems to be then just leave well enough alone.
Love your solutions. When I was an IT admin I had a programmer that maxed everything. He was using his own system at work. (I did not NOT like that but Bosses said ok) Cut to the chase, his system MY network! "I need my system backed up" (Pound sand, your system. I monitor it and both your hard drives are going fast. You find more viruses and Trojans than anyone BUT if you stopped running all the file sharing stuff, it might work.) He not only resigned I pulled his HDDs and gave him new ones. He never came back, he went home to Romania. His big addiction was rather silly. He was gaming at work.
See thats the thing, Ryzen 9000 "fixed" by having good defaults 65w, everyone complained about the 95c Temps before, Now they release 9000 series and everyone complain how its not fast and that its handicapped by forcing it as a 65w part. Personally i think that the option for 105w or higher should be there, but lets not sacriface the out of box good default experience for the rest
It shows that you do not understand a lot about CPU's and TDPs etc. 65W Ryzen 9000 is not limited to 65W. TDP of a CPU DOES NOT EQUAL the power consumption of the cpu nowadays. Ryzen 9000 is in fact also using more power per result in many scenarios than the old one. And rising the power limit of the Zen 5 does not necessarily even give more performance. And yes, Zen 5 is a disappointment how ever you look at it.
The only thing free in this world is Gods free gift of salvation. John 3: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. I learn a lot from your channel keep up what your doing.
can i put a link to a site were people can donate to get me a 12900k cpu if not i understand i just have been trying to build a new pc for 3 years and i need 3 more parts so i though i would try this sorry
Because everyone's BIOS is different and it's hard to make one video to cover all different BIOS UIs. Ryzen Master is the same on every computer. Also, I like doing it in Ryzen master better than the BIOS because it makes troubleshooting a little bit easier. If a setting fails in Ryzen master it will reset it back to the old setting if it's unable to fire the program up again after reboot. But if a setting in the BIOS fails you have to reset the BIOS to boot up again. Some motherboards will temporarily disable an overclock in order for you to reboot but it's just easier in Ryzen master.
@CyberCPU I fully agree with your reasoning and I also don't see that Windows has any influence other than entering settings. The settings are saved in a profile and transferred from this profile to the bios on reboot before Windows starts booting.
Rich! Jonny here. I run a small channel called Jonny Recaps. I need your help with something UEFI based (I think). What's the best way to contact you? I've an email address on my channels About section, or I'll respond in my own comments section if it's easier. I'm 100% willing to compensate you for a quick discussion. After upgrading my M.2 SSD to a gen 4, my BIOS is no longer detecting any of my SATA drives. My channels dead in the water and Asus hasn't responded yet. I've tried everything and I could really use your help. I've been watching you for a year or two and you're the first person who popped into my head.
If your using a SATA M2 drive it typically uses the existing SATA channels. So if your motherboard has six SATA ports the last two typically won't work if you use a SATA M2 drive. This is very common on Asus boards. The only fix is to either not use the last two SATA ports or use an nvme M2 drive.
@@CyberCPU Hey man. Thank you. See I've kept 5&6 cleared out and I've disconnected and reconnected everything too. I've updated the BIOS and made sure each of the drives and cables are functioning. I have dual M.2 (it's a B450 F 2 Rog Strix). I've an NVME in both and they're working great. But something in the BIOS has stopped picking up any of the SATA drives (where all my work is of course). Have you any experience with Legacy vs UEFI? It's the only thing I can think that might be causing this. Thanks for responding either way dude.
@@CyberCPU If I failed to mention, both M.2 drives are NVME. I've done everything in accordance with what the motherboard manual says, so it has to be some setting in the bios. Okay my man, thanks anyways. And keep up the great work, your videos are exactly the way computer education should be 🖐️😎
@@CyberCPU Hey Rich. Just in case you end up with a similar query again from somebody else. Asus online chat were useless, so I stuck at it for a few hours myself. It turned out being the formatting. For whatever reason, when I cloned the drive the copy ended up being formatted MBR, even though the original was GPT. Hence, BIOS not being able to see the drive. I had to merge one of the partitions with the C so I could convert it to GPT. After I got that sorted, it turned out WINRE got lost somewhere in the transfer. After reinstalling Windows to the newly formatted M.2 and updating the BIOS to reflect the NVME etc, all was well and I was able to select it for booting priority. Have a great weekend brother 🖐
nice job but... Ryzen master is an tempory tool... Put all the parameters in the bios... And forget ryzenmaster. You should do it in the next video. I do it with my 7600. But i limit my ppt to 105w and my curve optimizer was only max minus 30 for a stable system with no error with occt stress cpu test avx512. In gaming 65°c max and in occt max 80°c. Max in cpu-z 5.35 ghz in occt 5.25 ghz. Next video, ryzenmaster setting in the bios? thanks for your work and video. Not an easy work i think. Sorry for my english... Have a nice day
Really a gem of video, thanks for sharing it.
I can never thank you enough for recommending the MINISFORUM EliteMini UM780 XTX computer. It works like a champion and it runs all my programs and games. I've bought THREE laptop computers (a Dell, a Toshiba and an Hp. ALL THREE failed in less than a year (and even at that, they were erratic before they failed). I am a very happy camper now. Thank you.
Does the 7000 series generally allow significantly lower CO settings than Ryzen 5000?
A negative 50 seems like a lot to me.
I've had a stability issue in a few games at -30 on a 5800X and ended up settling for -20 rather than trying to figure out better per core settings.
It was interesting to hear your warnings about the automatic optimizer.
I had the same experience with it picking per core settings that failed in a basic load test on my 5800X
I really wish that they had improved it
Thanks for this video. It improved my temps and my frequencies.
Glad it helped
Very, very educational! Thank you for explaining how it works.
Thanks for the video, would this issue be less of a problem if I increased the power supply size? For the first time ever I paid for a custom built PC (I've always built my own) as I didn't have the time (I was desperate for work) to research all the new components and build a new one and just assumed that the high price I paid would guarantee I got a high end computer and I've had a lot of temperature/performance issues with it especially when gaming even though it's all water cooled. Regards, Nick.
Good info. And to add on to this ... ZEN5 (9000) series adds Curve Shaper to the mix. I havent tried it in Ryzen Master but I have in BIOS. Is allows you you apply the CO offset differently at different temps/speeds. I haven't gotten too far into it as it can be a little confising but appears to be a powerful tool. A good TH-cam video explaining the function is at the SkatterBencher YT channel. Thanks for all your great tips/tricks and wisdom!!
I didn't know that. Sounds interesting.
@@CyberCPU In part it can help stability at the lower end of the spectrum ...
Thank you for your valuable advice. I am wondering if it is working for laptop processors as well?
I got a 7600X and manually underclocking kept crashing mine, so I use PBO level 3 which lowers power draw and voltage while bumping up the clock speeds. has been working great!
Pbo level 3 with whatever temp is the same as using -30 curve optimizer with a max temp setting of whatever level 3 you picked so like level 3 85°c is -30 curve optimizer with 85°c max temp
Since the 5000 series is an option in the bios called performance boost overdrive I have my 7900x with a negative offset of 20 I don't see any loss of performance in gaming but my temps went from the 80,s to the 60,s the cpu still drawing 230W but running lot cooler.I have a 280 mm aio
PBO > Advanced > All cores > Negative > 20
PPT 95
Thermal throttle limit 85
+100Mhz
System is stable (overall, in games like Black Myth, Warzone, BF2042, CS2 etc) with 5,145Mhz, max temp was 60.8 Celsius, idle is 33 Celsius degrees with Arctic Freezer III 360mm, idle 32-35 W, down from 85-85 Celsius degrees and 135 W peak.
14839 in CineBench R23 on a system that's perfectly stable and won't crash : D
Great video, is there something for locked intel CPU's? (i7 11800H) to be specific.🙏
Hello! At 10:24 after applying undervolt, the soc power dropped from ~13w to ~7w. Did the expo profile of the ram get disabled? What is the average idle power of ryzen 5 7600 after applying undervolt? Thanks in advance!
With a limited budget, would you say a "ASUS Dual Radeon RX 7800 XT OC" is a better choice compared to f.ex. a Nvidia GTX 4060 Ti and also is the Radeon GPU's harder to get drivers for? It's what I've heard from some vendors and it didn't seem to make much sense so thought I'd throw out the question to you. :)
With a limited budget, I would highly recommend not ignoring the used market. The system in this video has a used RTX 2080 that cost me $200. That's half of what both those cards you listed sell for.
@@CyberCPU Thanks for the feedback and I'll consider it. But still, would you say that drivers for Radeon is harder to get then Nvidia or is that just not true?
@@pixel325 I don't think so. The drivers should be readily available for both cards. I'm kind of an Nvidia fan boy though. However, I've been thinking about doing an AMD build at some point to broaden my horizons. 😂😅🤣
@@CyberCPU haha well to be frank I've been an Nvidia fanboy myself, but i got a really good deal on the following setup. ASUS Dual Radeon RX 7800 XT OC and AMD Ryzen 7 7700 CPU with DDR5 5600MHz 32GB and 1TB NVMe SSD, and my dad used to run a radeon on his computer without hassle so been thinking about it a lot.
PS. I'd love to see a AMD build from you in the near future.
I am running 3 Nvidia and 2 Radeon GPUs. Getting Radeon drivers (Adrenalin) is very easy. However, Radeon does not have good ray tracing and experiences with upscaling vary depending on the game. Raster performance and native quality is very good with the Radeon GPUs. Updates are communicated both in the driver and by AMD via e-mail. It is only important that you remove the existing driver before updating, as the last updates were always heavily modified.
i have my PBO disabled cause from day 1 the fans would kick up rpm for no reason, or for menial reasons like me opening up file explorer or looking at task manager. So after disabling it i also noticed like a 10c lower temps at both idle and under load. I think they just made it on purpose to lower the life expectancy on the cpu. And incase you're wondering how much performance you may be leaving on the table there is a very reputable article from a trusted company that showed the differences in benchmarks for the 7950x3d with and without PBO and the difference is neglible or in other words not worth having pbo enabled. Just cause the cpu might clock a little higher doesnt mean you will have a significant impact on performance.
to find the article just google "7950x3d pbo on or off is it worth it?" and it's the first article from Puget systems.
Bro just doesn't want to give up
I'm happy with how it's running now. It's a very strong system. I think it was worth going down this rabbit hole.
@@CyberCPU Did yours stay stable with the -50?
I really like this video and encourages me to do the same. I'm afraid at first to do overclocking and undervolting and be addicted to it lol
Points for improvements on the video tho:
1. The background on the chart is annoying.
2. Makes the line colors more pop on the screen and probably choose a neat type of graph too.
I was watching your last vids on this particular build too. Boy you didn't give up 😂
I think you might be describing voltage incorrectly. 0.006mV is 6uV. I think you just mean to say 6mV or 0.006V. Unless you really are adjusting microvolts with the offsets.
for the 7k series cpu the bios auto v SOC is too high, like almost 1.35-1.4v. remember that's what was burning up the x3d chips. So i'd recommend you monitor it with cpu/id software to see how high it gets on load. And then start lowering it in bios until you lose stability under load. i got mine down to like 1.119-115 with 4x sticks of 16gb ram, the more the memory controller has to work with more memory ranks the more voltage it will need on the vSOC. And note my specs also are with PBO and CPB disabled. if you enable PBO it will lose stability and need higher vSOC to be stable.
Hi do you have a video for the 7950x using bios only?
I have a 7600x with a kraken elite 240 aio, but I still thermal throttle. It’s so annoying, is this just a 7000 series ryzen issue?
Yes. They run a little hotter because AMD made the heat spreader a little thicker in order to have cooler backwards compatibility with AM4. At least that's my understanding.
Following this video with a kraken should stop it. However, you might not want to do the auto overclock unless you can get a really low CO offset like I did.
@@CyberCPU Hello and thanks for you excellent vide. I am currently waiting for my 7600x (same price with 7600 where I live).
Does the same strategy apply for the 7600x? I don't want to overclock it, just to make it comfortable to run on boot during gaming.
5:22 he may be turning the heat down, but Intel just got BURNED!
What's the hexagon thing in the background called? looks awesome
I have a question and was hoping you could help,, My HP ProBook broke so I bought a Z Book and I just dropped the hard drive from my ProBook into my Z Book and after driver update everything is running fine, But when I go on the HP support web site and ask HP to detect my device it detects it as my old ProBook and not Z Book, Is it possible to change this without having to reinstall win 7 OS?
I wouldn't worry about how HPs website detects your system. It's inconsequential.
May I ask why these settings - or a rough approximation - aren't already preconfigured by the manufacturer?
Because not all chips are capable of them. The way processor manufacturers determine what the default settings should be is first by determining what the lowest binned cores can handle and then applying these default settings across the entire SKU.
My 7600 is a really good chip. I got lucky with it. Most of the time you would be lucky to hit a -40 offset yet I'm running stable at a -50.
So manufacturers are very conservative with their settings and for people that have better silicon, they are able to take advantage of more aggressive limits.
It's a gamble called the silicone lottery. I definitely won with this chip but sometimes you don't. It's kind of the nature of the game.
Luckily with the manufacturing processes we have today it's much more likely to get a good chip than a bad chip. But the default limits still need to take into account the existence of the bad chips. Otherwise you'd have a lot of users getting instability on lower binned chips and it would make for a poor user experience.
@@CyberCPU Thanks for such a detailed explanation (especially since I'm saving up to build a system with the 7600).
@@yerachmielb1 based on what I've learned in this build, I highly recommend the 7600x. Chances are you're going to change the cooler anyway like I did and it's the same price. The stock cooler that comes with the 7600 just isn't enough.
@@CyberCPU I haven't really seen this type of thing on your channel, but I'm still having a little trouble coming up with a pure performance build within my budget. Any tips?
@@yerachmielb1 Not much of a tip but a decent way to plan it is to start to look at what kind of performance you are looking for. If it's general purpose then you want a good CPU and if it's games and things that can be offloaded onto the GPU then you spend more money on the GPU. Storage performance is usually less important than you might think. That is you don't need the fastest SSD for general use or gaming. A gen 4 M.2 drive is really good enough for most people. Even gen 3 isn't to sneeze at. Someone recently made a test using games and general use software to compare the speed increase you can expect from different drives. The slowest drive was a SATA SSD and the fastest a gen 5 M.2 drive. The improvement in starting games, loading saves and booting Windows was remarkably small. A game that took about 40 seconds to start on a fast Gen 5 M.2 drive took something like 14 seconds longer with the SATA drive. It was similar when looking at loading saves and booting windows. The difference between the SATA drive and the Gen 3 M.2 drive was about 11 seconds. So for going with a Gen 5 drive over a Gen 3 drive you would gain about 3 or possibly 4 seconds when loading a game that at the best took 40 seconds to start.
So don't spend too much on the storage unless you absolutely know your use require very fast storage.
Now when talking about processors the problems with Intel processors of the 13'th and 14'th generations has really shook things up. Previous to this I would have said a great gaming processor was the 14600K, but currently I don't feel I can say it's a good choice. The fixes from Intel should fix the problems. But "should" is not the same as saying it perfectly fix the problems. Today you can either go with a 12'th gen processor from Intel or the Ryzen 7000 or 9000 series from AMD. 12'th gen from Intel isn't a bad choice, but they are not as fast as what AMD can provide. Best game performance you get from the 7800X3D. There is no question about that. If you want best general performance the 7900X, 7950X, 9900X and 9950X are faster. But it might also be a good idea to look at the i9 12900K as it's still a very capable processor.
Motherboards are a touchy subject. For most people a B650 for AMD or a B760 for Intel is just fine. Do notice though that if you intend to use the "K" abilities to overclock a Intel processor you will need a MB with a Z790 or Z690 chipset. A more expensive motherboard is not necessarily faster, so think of what you want from it before paying for a MB that's more expensive. There are differences in power stages on them, but if you are not going to stress it by overclocking that probably doesn't really matter to you.
Memory is something you probably won't want to overspend on. Bot the Intel and AMD processors have a official speed defined. This can usually be exceeded a bit without much hassle, but the extreme memories are something you either know you will do the job needed to use or just a waste of money. You can also have a processor that can't handle more extreme settings with regards to memory frequency and CAS speed. From what I remember off the top of my head AMD 7000 and 9000 processors almost always will work with memory rated at 6000 MT and CAS 30. I think a lot of them also can handle 6200 MT and some even higher, but the performance increase doesn't follow with the frequency increase so it's not considered wise to go any higher. Intel processors can handle memory that's a bit faster and from what I remember the performance increase scales better than it does with AMD processors. Still the really fast memory will take more work than just sticking it in the slot and power on the machine. So hunting performance by buying expensive memory is not all that easy or safe.
When you look at cooling a good air cooler is perfectly fine for most people, and they can be pretty affordable. For a long time I recommended the Coolermaster Hyper 212 as a decent choice for "normal" processors. It is still a good cooler but I have to say that the Thermalright Peerless Assassin is a better choice if it will fit. If you want an AIO I would recommend you look at the Arctic Liquid Freezer series. They are using a thicker radiator than almost all other AIO's and yet they are selling them at a decent price. They also has been shown to support their customers. When they had a model that had a problem they offered owners to either send their cooler in for service or they could get pack with the parts needed to do it them selves. There are also some really cheap AIO sold that can beat Arctic at the price, but I don't really know much about them. All in all a classic air cooler is basically never going to die. The fans might die, but they are easy and cheap to replace while a AIO has a life expectancy of 5 years and any more than that is a bonus. At the same time a AIO can remove more heat from the processor provided it is at least 240 or 360 mm.
Finally you have to consider the look of everything. Me I like my computer in a closed box with no window or galls panels and no RGB or LED lights other than the power LED and the storage activity LED, but I'm an old fart. You may want to allow your idea of aesthetics be a part when choosing the parts. Well the CPU is the odd man out as you won't see it other than when building the system. But perhaps you want a white motherboard, GPU, CPU cooler and so on. This can make the computer a bit more expensive as some versions of a certain color can be more expensive. But it's you who are going to use that computer so it should fit your ideas of what you want it to look like.
I put to -50 now my computer Will not go to home screen it just blue screens every time thanks man❤
one sec: supposedly that "lower usage instability" was ironed out by amd with the CO? that was the sole purpose of this, instead of using an intel-like hard offset-overclock?
Just beware that negative offset as recommended here, _can_ make the system long term unstable during _idle_ or low power workloads. In essential it can cause spontaneus reboots. It will still be stable during load or benchmarking meaning it's hideous. FYI.
Yeah, I explained that in detail at the end of the video.
@@CyberCPU Ah, sorry, my mistake. Nevertheless important.
Your system is absolutely not stable under -50. Download OCCT and do cpu stress with extreme and core cycling. It will show your chips true limits and only takes about 10 seconds per core to find if it errors.
EDIT: Ryzen masters auto offsets are way too optimistic also, if you want, you can try to let it do its "optimization" and run the OCCT core cycler again and see it errors out like no tomorrow. Also sorry if my tone is aggressive or something, I'm not native english speaker. :)
Is this normal for 7 months old pc, 22-25 seconds boot time?
Ryzen 5 5600g
Gigabytes a520m k v2
SSD Crucial bx500 480gb (OS)
Hdd 500gb
Lexar 2x8 gb
Completely normal.
I honestly dont understand , ryzen master dont work on my pc at all . For a year now ive been running fine with bios settings -35 , 10X multy , 80c temp limit , the usual... and my temps never went over 65. NOW im hitting sub 80c and my pc is lagging like a sob . I dont understand
Did your CPU paste fail?
Doing this won't let my pc boot anymore
What do I do?????
Great Video
Thanks!
This cpu is amazing, yours is good too mine also works with -50 CO. But you have to put it on a cheap entry level mobo (B650) with 6 phase vrm, works like a charm (weird but when you put cpu power limit in the bios instead playing with ppt cpu pulls much less power with Ryzen Master pbo settings on MSI mobo, I noticed that while monitoring power consumption of cpu on idle). I was able to oc it 5.4 goes to 5.5 with static oc but becomes unstable on full load so you can push it to 5.4 with aio if you want to. I also have R9 7900X and i hate it smiles.
Funny i got my r5 7600 to do -50 curve and +200mhz also and is super stable
CO -50 all core??? Good thing i dont blindly follow. Damn window 11 wont even start-up at -50 CO all-core in the bios. Ah late April joke, got it.
-30 is better/safer starting point
does it apply to ryzen 7 3700x?
Yeah.
Wish Intel had a software like that XD - End up doing via the bios
A tech expert is needed to solve my update issue. I installed Windows 11 on an unsupported PC and joined the Windows Insider Program (Dev Channel) to get new updates and features, but I can't update it. It shows that TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot are not available on my PC. I've tried multiple times to bypass this but failed each time. I changed the registry settings and ran various commands, but nothing worked. Can someone please help me update my Insider build version to 24H2?
Could have bought a thermalright air cooler for less than $40 and called it a day 😂
Noise is also something people care about. The lower the temps you can get the lower you can run your fan speed.
No….. undervolting and overclocking, coolers are nice to have the extra cooling
@@TheKims82and undervolting can improve lifespan and lower power bills
They have already proven that a bigger cooler or AIO on 7700x just allows the system to push more power into the cpu. You need to limit the voltage with the curve. The 7700X is looking to run around 90c and still be happy. If you are content with it like AMD seems to be then just leave well enough alone.
or just use the in the box cooler for free
Volts, not millivolts.
I'm so confused.......
Love your solutions. When I was an IT admin I had a programmer that maxed everything. He was using his own system at work. (I did not NOT like that but Bosses said ok) Cut to the chase, his system MY network! "I need my system backed up" (Pound sand, your system. I monitor it and both your hard drives are going fast. You find more viruses and Trojans than anyone BUT if you stopped running all the file sharing stuff, it might work.) He not only resigned I pulled his HDDs and gave him new ones. He never came back, he went home to Romania. His big addiction was rather silly. He was gaming at work.
dropped my cpu by 10 degrees C. thank you
See thats the thing, Ryzen 9000 "fixed" by having good defaults 65w, everyone complained about the 95c Temps before, Now they release 9000 series and everyone complain how its not fast and that its handicapped by forcing it as a 65w part. Personally i think that the option for 105w or higher should be there, but lets not sacriface the out of box good default experience for the rest
It shows that you do not understand a lot about CPU's and TDPs etc. 65W Ryzen 9000 is not limited to 65W. TDP of a CPU DOES NOT EQUAL the power consumption of the cpu nowadays. Ryzen 9000 is in fact also using more power per result in many scenarios than the old one. And rising the power limit of the Zen 5 does not necessarily even give more performance. And yes, Zen 5 is a disappointment how ever you look at it.
The only thing free in this world is Gods free gift of salvation. John 3: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. I learn a lot from your channel keep up what your doing.
That's not free. It was just paid for by someone else. It was actually really expensive. 😉
@@CyberCPU yes true Jesus paid a terrible price but He gave a free gift to us for salvation. God bless.
I thout it was a Nvidia Cpu; Im sorry but , my bad!
my 7600x is 93 degrees at 5.4ghz
default settings ?
@bonito957 overlooked
However!
can i put a link to a site were people can donate to get me a 12900k cpu if not i understand i just have been trying to build a new pc for 3 years and i need 3 more parts so i though i would try this sorry
You have PBO in BIOS.
Why using in Windows?
Not understand.
Because everyone's BIOS is different and it's hard to make one video to cover all different BIOS UIs. Ryzen Master is the same on every computer. Also, I like doing it in Ryzen master better than the BIOS because it makes troubleshooting a little bit easier.
If a setting fails in Ryzen master it will reset it back to the old setting if it's unable to fire the program up again after reboot. But if a setting in the BIOS fails you have to reset the BIOS to boot up again. Some motherboards will temporarily disable an overclock in order for you to reboot but it's just easier in Ryzen master.
@CyberCPU I fully agree with your reasoning and I also don't see that Windows has any influence other than entering settings. The settings are saved in a profile and transferred from this profile to the bios on reboot before Windows starts booting.
Rich! Jonny here. I run a small channel called Jonny Recaps. I need your help with something UEFI based (I think). What's the best way to contact you? I've an email address on my channels About section, or I'll respond in my own comments section if it's easier. I'm 100% willing to compensate you for a quick discussion. After upgrading my M.2 SSD to a gen 4, my BIOS is no longer detecting any of my SATA drives. My channels dead in the water and Asus hasn't responded yet. I've tried everything and I could really use your help. I've been watching you for a year or two and you're the first person who popped into my head.
If your using a SATA M2 drive it typically uses the existing SATA channels. So if your motherboard has six SATA ports the last two typically won't work if you use a SATA M2 drive. This is very common on Asus boards. The only fix is to either not use the last two SATA ports or use an nvme M2 drive.
@@CyberCPU Hey man. Thank you. See I've kept 5&6 cleared out and I've disconnected and reconnected everything too. I've updated the BIOS and made sure each of the drives and cables are functioning. I have dual M.2 (it's a B450 F 2 Rog Strix). I've an NVME in both and they're working great. But something in the BIOS has stopped picking up any of the SATA drives (where all my work is of course). Have you any experience with Legacy vs UEFI? It's the only thing I can think that might be causing this. Thanks for responding either way dude.
@@CyberCPU If I failed to mention, both M.2 drives are NVME. I've done everything in accordance with what the motherboard manual says, so it has to be some setting in the bios. Okay my man, thanks anyways. And keep up the great work, your videos are exactly the way computer education should be 🖐️😎
@@CyberCPU Hey Rich. Just in case you end up with a similar query again from somebody else. Asus online chat were useless, so I stuck at it for a few hours myself. It turned out being the formatting. For whatever reason, when I cloned the drive the copy ended up being formatted MBR, even though the original was GPT. Hence, BIOS not being able to see the drive. I had to merge one of the partitions with the C so I could convert it to GPT. After I got that sorted, it turned out WINRE got lost somewhere in the transfer. After reinstalling Windows to the newly formatted M.2 and updating the BIOS to reflect the NVME etc, all was well and I was able to select it for booting priority. Have a great weekend brother 🖐
what about in bios