Buprenorphine Withdrawal - The Symptoms and Timeline | Dr. B
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- Buprenorphine Withdrawal - The Symptoms and Timeline
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It's a simple answer to understand what Buprenorphine Withdrawl is like. Buprenorphine is a partial Opiate and the withdrawals are similar to any opiate.
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Some Buprenorphine withdrawal symptoms may include:
Anxiety
Sweating
Diarrhea
Abdominal cramps
and Restlessness
The buprenorphine withdrawal timeline is proven to be much shorter than both methadone and heroin.
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EVERY PAIN PATIENT AN EVERY ADDICT ON EARTH knows that Buprenorphine withdrawal is an absolute nightmare in length of time compared to heroin ,morphine or any other strong opiate .
Methadone an Buprenorphine enslaves people more then any other opiate directly because of the lengthy time it takes to leave the body .
What crappy studies are you saying support your claims, that heroin withdrawal is worse and longer then Buprenorphine ?
the half life and binding affinity of Buprenorphine speaks for itself on how terrible this drug is .
stop lying to people , NO person that has tried both will agree with you .
we all know why you prefer Buprenorphine .
How Long Does Heroin Stay in Your System?
Blood: Up to six hours
Urine: Up to three days
Saliva: Up to 24 hours
Hair: Up to 90 days
How Long DoesMethadone Stay in Your System?
Blood: Up to three days
Urine: Up to three days
Saliva: Up to three days
Hair: Up to 90 days
How Long Does Buprenorphine Stay in Your System?
Blood: Up to 2 days
Urine: Up to 6 days
Saliva: Up to 3 days
Hair: Up to 90 days
@@mp-uy9sv I am sorry you do not have any idea what you are talking about. I will tell you what, given the fact that you feel so strongly about this, I am willing to discuss it with you on a show, live, and hopefully educate you. The rules are that you are receptive to learning why you are categorically wrong. My incentive? When you come on here and give such strong non-sensical opinions about what you have no idea what you are talking about someone may read it and die. I am all about question or disagreement, but given the fact you caught me on a bad day and you attitude can cost a life come on the show. Peace!
Im taking 2mg rightnow,in 2-3 days im trying and will stop taking my daily dose for good..what i want to know is what symptom will i have when i stop taking it
@@micky8565 he has another video that goes over that. Everyone's different, but all the same opiate withdrawal symptoms apply.
I weaned myself off rather rapidly. From 16mg to 1-2mg in a matter of two months because of cost. I had no choice to go any slower. My life situation changed unexpectedly. I bulked up on high quality vitamins, especially vitamin C. I truly believe that made a difference. Also lots of water. It’s been a week since my last dose. I finally left my house yesterday. I think I’m going to make it. #WeDoRecover
Would love an update. God bless friend.
good job 💞
How you doing?
Well she either never looked back or went back on it because she hasn't responded to how it went. I've never heard of anyone getting off of subs.
How long did it take all together.
I tapered myself down from 16mg to .5mg, in a matter of 2 weeks(I don't recommend such a fast taper). It was brutal, but doable if you really want it. I'm now at day 25, and doing pretty good. I started sleeping at around the 3 week mark, with the help of Melatonin. I went through 60 hours of major withdrawal, after my last .5mg dose. After that, every day kept getting easier. The only problems I have right now are... Lack of energy, anxiety, feeling cold and hot, sensitivity to light, and sneezing. Once you reach the 3 week mark, you got it beat. I make myself exercise throughout the day, and I stay away from caffeine, and stimulates. I've found that my lack of energy, is really more a lack of motivation. Once I make myself get started doing something, I'm fine. I went 4 wheeler riding yesterday for 4 hours, and then slept like a rock last night. DO NOT just sit around, and be lazy! Wear your muscles down, and it will help you rest. Also, get outside as much as possible. It helps TREMENDOUSLY!!! Remember... Laying around, and feeling bad for yourself only makes it worse. Beating this takes drive, and motivation. I did it, and I'm NEVER turning back. You can do it, too. I hope that some of my advice helps someone...
Jamie you hit the nail right on the head...
Your comment was somewhat inspiring and does make sense about getting yourself up and about although I'm talking about a normal day taking 4mg I was told it's easyer than others to come off but watching some of these videos say different I'm now due to go on the buvidel I understand it's a injection as little as once a month I'm yet to see how that is at the end.im determined to do it this time my life has been missery past years if only we all new back in the early 2000 how nasty the drug was hopefully kids today have seen wot it does to life's.
@@jason.aldridge5004 I tried to quit cold turkey after a year of opiate abuse, but the withdrawals were horrendous.
So I decided, and I just had my first weekly injection of Buvidal today, which I feel is more potent than the opiates I was taking previously.
On the first day after the injection, I am gently scratching my entire body and feeling fantastic, yet not euphoric. However, I am frightened of becoming addicted to it.
What is "Liposomal Vitamin C" stuff all about? Please elaborate if you know.
Is going cold turkey a wise idea? If that's the case, when should I do it?
Please give me detailed advice or plan because I'm afraid of becoming reliant on weekly/monthly Buvidal injections.
Thank you
Did you experience nightmares that made wakeup from restless feelings
I've experienced a lot of withdrawals. Nothing has come close to how terrifying Suboxone was. The stuff you read on the Internet is not False like you claimed. Everyone is different I'm sure of, but for a lot of people this withdrawal lingers around for almost over a month, and even after a month I still felt crazy in the head. It took almost 2 months just to feel somewhat normal again. I was on it for a year and a half and quit cold turkey, however. I literally felt like I was a prisoner in my own mind. The anxiety along with the panicky feelings made me want to end my life just to escape it all. The body aches, chills, sweating, stomach pain, etc lasted for two weeks as well. So for me, yes it was as terrible as it comes, and while Suboxone did help me with my addictions....I never want to go through that again and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
100%
Yup . It's so much worse than he's saying. It's way worse than herion... how TF would he really know?
What mg was u on when u stopped?
@@shuiwahlee5836 was doing only 1 pill a day when I went cold turkey. Not by choice. Laid in bed for 24 days with horrible flu like symptoms. The longer your on it the harder it is.
@@lie380
But how many mg was in that 1 pill?
I jumped at 12 mgs and I'm 7 days clean! Surprisingly comfortable in comparison to my most severe wd's in the past. I have no idea how I did it, but I did. Praise God.
Wow that's awesome how's everything going with you now if you don't mind me asking
your so lucky. and im glad its easy for you now you can be like everyone else. its just really hard for me to have to go to work like this. i will be fired if i dont go. and i cant even get any subs for another 2 days until i get paid. i might just get them so i can take a small amount before work atleast. i really do not want to take them anymore but eveything feels so depressing and i can barely move out of my bed
No one said this journey would be easy I thought everything was good I made it 5 days and only got like restless legs but day six to nine just impossible to get even an hour of sleep... I even took a tiny amount of subs to get some sleep. I don't think it will restart my progress but if so I'll just get through it.
did you take 12mgs/daily or weekly
and how are the WD on day 7
Whoa. Did anything start AFTER the 7 days? It’s long acting so it can take that long depending on your metabolism (have you done a peak and trough?).
I don’t care what the studies say, buprenorphine withdrawal lasted way longer than Heroin.
Yea those studies need some more real world data….sub withdrawal blew my oxy wd out of the water not even close..
Yes! 10 times worse. Guaranteed!
Exactly!
@@Newbootgoofin948several orders of magnitude worse than Oxy w/d, for sure.
The first time I came off sub it took almost three weeks after the 17 th day it started getting worse but by day 20 it almost went away
For me, yawning is one of the first withdrawal symptoms that hit me. I will literally look as though I am crying due to the excessive yawing. I also feel as though my skin is going to crawl off my body. Great info doc. Thanks for what you do. This medication gave me back my life 14 years ago this December.
Sneezing too
My doc told me to treat this med like insulin meds!! You just might have to need it!!! Actually he said psych meds! Been to rehab but feel like I’m still on drugs!!!! My Doctor made me feel better about it!!! I know I have chronic pain!!! I’m just afraid if my job was terminated how will I live!!! IDK HOPE YOU ARE WELL!!!
@Jamie Healy it's very important to keep a sincere positive warrior mindset!!! You are in control and you want off!!! You got this!!! Your going to be a way better version of your old self. How you doing today? You able to sleep yet? How's your mindset?
*Prayers sent out for you rn. 😁🙏
Yawning and sneezing is my first sign
The goal should be addressing the root cause of the addiction, and not simply switching patients from one opiate to another. That just so happens to be harder to kick and very lucrative for physicians and pharmaceutical employees. How convenient.
You say you need a professional but I’ve been to three different doctors- who don’t know anything about this mediation-
Had no interest in trying to help me in any way and only wanted to see me perscribe and get me out- I saw on physician for one year and he did not ask me once if I wanted to taper or if I had problems at all. I’m also in LA, it should be easy to find a doctor here that knows what they are talking about but I have not found one yet and I’m not the only one with this issue- a lot of people I’ve spoken too have said the same things! I’m glad though that you are a doctor that seems to be versed in suboxone and cares for the patient and helps them taper- but I don’t think there are that many like you.
Call me
Do u not have drug n alcohol clinics u can go 2 it's free 4 us in the UK there very good here let me go the pharmacy once a wk 2 pick up but they make u go every day in the beginning Good luck with your recovery . We even get extra money from the dole 4 being an addict were well looked after it's a disgrace in the US they way u have 2 pay 4 your meds if we had money 4 meds we would buy heroin instead it's cheaper
I live on the west coast of Florida lots of drugs I use to get high and go to the beach and watch the sun set in the water and then wait until the stars came out and then go back home. Now I'm trying to get off subs and my life is hell I have no interest in anything anymore I want to come off subs bad.😥
@@DrBAddictionRecoverycan you give us a time-line please from 2 mg
The restless leg syndrome has me worried the most
I had a bad experience from methadone withdrawal
Thanks for the information
Should come to the UK England doctors r brilliant here really no there stuff with help n prescribing drug clinics r very good get u clean an off the meds by tapering down
Doc, you seem like a nice guy , but if you really want to know your shit, get on opiates for a year, then switch to suboxone , stay on for 6-7 years, and then detox yourself....prolonged use of suboxone is a nightmare to maintain..
Omg I couldn't have said it better myself. I feel exactly like that.
Say it loud 💯!
so true
Coming off Buprenorphine is extremely hard to come off of.. I'm not a doctor.. however a patient for years and years... I was on this poison for over 9 years... It helped me in the begining.. but then was hell to come off of... TAPER TAPER TAPER..... today is day 15 of no bupe... I'm finally starting to feel somewhat normal again.. thank god... BUPE has consumed way too much of my life...
Jason Heatz stay hydrated. Where do you live? Call my office tomorrow I’ll give you pointers 9493478721
HOW MUCH WAS YOUR NORMAL AVG. DOSE?? BEFORE TAPER??
Jason on day 17 or so, still feeling shitty, did you feel better now!
@Gary Anderson you off now??
@@c.juneau410 I cut down fast from 12 to 0.6mg and then stopped. Used kratom a few days to help but three weeks on I still feel rough ☹️
I feel like as an addict , when you are ready to quit something , you are ready to quit. The mental aspect i think is 95% of the battle. I just decided one day to quit the suboxone from still taking 8mg/day. The withdrawal was terrible for about 25 days then gradually the depression got better over the course of a month or 2 after the acute period... but my mind was already made up 100% that i was stopping and really believed it. I know the doctors will taper you down and help you out, but I really was ready to quit and just did on my own and told my doctor about it 10 days into it. He helped me out with some ambien and seroquel for the terrible insomnia but otherwise supported the decision.
Thanks for the great videos.
Shows the power of the mind my friend, and how complex this issue is. How little we understand it. Thank you for your comment. Please let me know if I can answer any questions.
How long did you take suboxone before you quit it? Greets teufel
toolhog10 oh so after nine years, it’s just simple... nah. It’s not. And I’ve been down to less than 4mg. It’s been almost 2 months... not worse than other than what I had before but it last..... forever. So everyone’s different.
toolhog10 thats what i think after 16 years in methadone why i am using this if am clean ..and i am ready in my mind to get out of the methadone .i was in 90 .. Today dic 25 ,i am in 9 mm and i will be out soon..God willing...
Why did u quit Bupe may I ask?
Thank you for sharing this information!! I’m currently in the midst of trying to get off suboxone. Much of the “information” online says that the withdrawal is MUCH WORSE than normal opioid withdrawal…. but most of that info is coming from non medical sources. But hearing it from you, a medical professional, is a little relief to hear. So thank you for being clear. I’m doing this “detox” with no one knowing that I’m on it, and have been on it. I WAS an opiate addict for 15yrs, and on suboxone for the past 5yrs. I’m scared!!!!!!! But I know it is what is needed for me to be the best version of myself, getting AND STAYING CLEAN. I don’t have a personal doctor to talk to. I couldn’t afford to. I’m doing this on my own and I’m happy to have found your channel!! I felt a tiny prick of hope in what you said…….. I’m trying my hardest…… but I’m human I’m fallible……. I wish I could visit a specialist like you! You seem non condescending and seem to understand that addiction is a sickness and not a character trait….. take care and have blessed day.
Brother there's millions of us out here doing what you doing let's be brave together!! In fact we starting a thread for others. My only warnings are make sure you get sleep, fluids, potassium and get ready for depression I've been on 16 mg for 8 years and I am lightweight going cold turkey but I had to take 1.5 mg to get some sleep. tonight I was starting to hallucinate from sleep deprivation. My only fear is did I just hit the restart button or am I in the clear? I'll post for tomorrow if it helped me or made it worse.
Hey there. I'm currently on day 13 of coming off 24mg bup. I just had enough couldn't be bothered to taper I missed the chemist on a bank holiday weekend went 3 days without a dose and decided to go cold turkey. I'd just had enough and wanted my life back after 14 years of opiates. I've found immense mental strenth and courage and embraced the pain and today I feel good. I feel totally alive today like I've got new senses I haven't used before. I'm going shopping taking my akita out 3 times a day and all I feel like now is that I have a bad cold. I had spanish flu when I was 18 and withdrawal is nowhere near as bad as that. To be honest it's purely a mental game and if you embrace it and think of how good your life will become off it it's easier done. I hope your clean and you managed to rebuild your life. Nobody needs a drug to shut the world out anymore theres so many choices and I'm looking forward to them.
Idk the first 12 days where hell from multiple nights with no sleep literally.the awful uncontrollable leg spasms and every other symptoms except vomiting then a month of severe fatigue and feeling mentally disturbed.i didn’t feel like I was getting back to normal until after 3 months but I can say 100% it was w
orth it .im now 1 year clean and I feel amazing.
could have taken meds to make it easy- clonodine, seroquel ( for sleep) etc..
I have sleep meds and still get no sleep.
The sleep hangovers from taking sleeping medicine is when you are detoxing from sub or methadone is absolutely brutal.
Did you stop cold Turkey or taper?
Used a short term opiate / Percocet just to feel comfortable and still I had withdrawals so I feel this stuff is waaay stronger than they say.. I will say I did not get headaches or whole body aches , but leg pain , slight diarrhea, 3 hours only for sleep , and some flu like symptoms even with taking a short acting opiate , but it is easier
I’ve been on Suboxone for five years. My comfortable dose was 4mg a day. I started on 16/2mg but I cut down to 4mg within the first year. I’m on day 7 of no Suboxone after tapering to 1mg and I feel terrible. I’ve come off heroin plenty of times and to me this most definitely is much worse. The overall symptoms may not be as bad but to be on day 7 and still feel horrible truly sucks.
Yea it lasts for a while I've gone through it a few times
Taper to 0.3 mgs of bup or lower. Then the withdrawals should be tolerable.
@@tom474e Unfortunately I was never really able to taper. For me that’s just extending the pain. I have zero regrets in jumping at 1mg after fast tapering from 4mg. Im on day eighty something now and I feel great! I was always for Suboxone MAT but now that I’m off of it I realize how much that medication messed with me. I can actually feel life again and it’s so worth it. While I agree tapering to a super low dose is probably the better way to do it but that’s not possible for everyone so this way works too!
Same with methadone going down easy when ur at a high dose when i when down. 3 mg within 3 weeks and it’s been 3 weeks and I’m still in pain I thought it be over by now
Right? I have a feeling the guy in the video has never came off any opiate. Sub withdrawal lasted over a month for me. Not as intense as heroin but not sleeping for a month with horrible anxiety to me is worse.
No one seems to understand how hard it is to come off. People just think I’m weak bc I can’t kick it, but I have to support my family and be a good husband and father. I can’t juggle that and be a miserable, and mentally unstable for 2+ months.
Yoooo it’s not that deep in 10 days you’ll be alright and would see it was worth it
If you’ve been at your job a while and have insurance check into detox bro. Just tell your employer you’re stuck on an anti anxiety med or something, not that they’ll ever even know n you really don’t got to say shit but it makes it 10x easier.. 30 days in Florida then come home clean
I get it man, was in the same spot, I tapered down to .25ish mg, 2 2mg pills for a month, that’s it. 2 weeks taking .25, then the last 2 weeks taking it a day on day off. Then 2 days off 1 day on, then stopped.
WD’s were similar to a really light perc WD, physical lasted like 2 weeks, was able to sleep. I was working on a fuckin miserable foundation for a house, I think the very intense physical work helped with the sleep. I had some rsl, little body aches, minor insomnia, general discomfort, stomach a little upset at times. But it worked.
Was off it for 4 years. Fucked up because I hurt my back and stress, gotta go through it again, just gotta choose to do it. It’s definitely possible.
If you jump at 4mg to 2mg, ITLL BE HELL. Stayed up 6 days straight one time with all the major symptoms in the book. I can’t do it that way.
For me they weren't that bad. I was down to about 2mg a day and I just powered threw it and stayed busy. The nights were the worse but it's for a better life for me and my family!
Good way to look at it you can really bring your self down and make things worse during withdrawls by not being positive and wanting it
So you stopped at 2mg? I'm on that now and plan to just stop also.
how long didnt you sleep for, this is what i find the hardest cuz it seems never ending
Good for you! I've been down to 1mg for about 7 months. God help me
@@barbw13 going to be so hard
I confronted the lie from hell that I needed this demonic garbage with the truth of Jesus Christ that I am ENOUGH without it! Then I stopped taking it, asked God to remove the demons I let in through Coming into agreement with hell and addiction. And I was FREE!! Hallelujah!! ✝️🔥❤️🙏🏼🙌🏻 #AskJesus break the lie with the truth! We do recover with the blood of the lamb!! ✝️🔥
It's doctors like this that get people hooked on drugs and he forgot to mention one important thing. People taking pain medication four injuries getting hooked on it. But then we're treated like a junkie!
That's what my doctor just he basically convince me to take Xanax and now 4 years later not one dirty urine at my I get into an argument with a nurse mind you not a doctor and they dropped me cold turkey... I didn't ask to be on this medication but now I totally get how people go to the streets to get it....
I was addicted and depended on opioids for about 10 years. Coming on and off it, but the past few months I’d hit rock bottom and am seriously trying to change my life. I am 1 month sober now, was put on buprenorphine by my doctor and was advised to slowly taper it. I’ve been off of buprenorphine for about 5 days today( after tapering it for a month) , the withdrawals are there, no sleep , runny nose, pain. But it’s not as bad as the actual opioid withdrawal. I workout everyday, I stay positive, there’s not much mental withdrawals just physical ones and I think I can do this. I hope I can do this on my own and with the help of the almighty. Sobriety means everything to me . Guys wish me luck.
Wow. I needed to see this. God wants me off of suboxone. Please pray as I do. And the enemy better get ready because I'm here to help thousands to get off of it. I thought I would only be on it a week, 2 years later here I am. My story isnt that I was taking 20 opioids a day, I was taking like one or two. Yes, I believe there are people who need it, but it's not me. I'm not stay bound anymore and blocking my blessings. I have a calling on my life and souls to save.
Amen! The devil was right there when u first used for sure.
Sorry. I know this an old post but I just wanted to clarify something. Your being on Suboxone blocked any blessings you may have received from God had you not been taking it? Just curious…
Hey Doc, I've been on Buprenorphine since 2011 and built myself and my life again. We've tried several ways to taper me down but I cannot get under 32mg/monthly on Buvidal. Now I'm going cold turkey, week 5, approved by my doctor. I'm dedicated to walk through hell for a year to get myself clean.
This is one of the rear people speaking very well about this medicine!!! Most of the doctors still doesn’t have idea about it!!! I wish to have this man for my doctor!!! Well done doc👏👏👏
I’m with toolhog on this one. My doc wanted to taper me off 20 mg a for 8 mos and I didn’t want to wait that long, id been on them for 8 1/2 years, and was just DONE. So I took my last script and tapered to 1/4 mg over 2 months and then quit. Once you hit1/4 mg for your in pretty heavy withdrawals . 12 days is what it took me to feel solid enough to go out in public. A lot of these online dr’s say it’s not as bad as heroin but I disagree. Maybe because the length of time was on it... ?not sure.
Bravo my friend, so happy that you got your self of this demon, and I agree that it is as bad as heroin methadone.. Atleast with heroin your behaviour and reclusiveness can be explained, people know that you're on drugs and going through a phase in life, but with buprenorphine, your friends and family wonder what's gone wrong with him, he used to be like this but now he has become like this.. You are in hell, locked up but you can't explain yourself..
My friend I've been on subutex for 10 years, tried tapers, will power collapses, love smoking cigarette and sweet hot drinks especially coffee, to stimulate the experience further, basically a triangle of opioid cigs and coffee..
PLZ give me some advice how I can taper of this demon AFAP, If you want I can send my email too.
Happy for your freedom and re entry to life... God bless you my friend
It's way worse than heroin.
I quit my subutex 8 days ago, still feeling super anxious and can’t sleep, but it’s getting better. 7 years so I’m finally done!
If truth weren't a thought crime, everyone would know that kicking smack for good is a walk in the park in comparison with 8mg/day or more Bupe (properly tapered). I've got dozens of friends who would not at all disagree. The prescribed dose is generally obscenely too high, & Drs wonder how/why so much is diverted. It's accumulative effect is something Drs are clueless about. It works great to help you get off heroin, but after being on bupe for 15yrs, it has all the worst side effects of a full agonist, without any buzz. How many smack addicts would there be if it gave no relief & only made you constipated & impotent? Why do smack users endure so much hell? Because it works. But like any drug, everything has its ups & downs & sideways & inside outs.
Forgot to add: who has the longest history with opium? China, so that's where I began my search for a way to get clean. Turns out they use acupuncture that makes the WDs seem like a memory. This is why the Mutulu Shakur (Tupacs father) is still sitting in jail today, now dieing of bone cancer. He had opened a free clinic that only used acupuncture to get & keep people clean. They can't have people who are legitimately saving lives everyday...especially not so easy & completely free. Man had no clue & no part in what he's serving 60yrs for. God forbid someone help save people that are trying to help their community, from the heart. I like Pacs music but I got legit love & respect for Mutulu. 🙏🏾
This guy has no idea what he's talking about. The withdrawals are not as intense as heroin withdrawal, that part is correct, but Heroin/Fentanyl withdrawal lasts about 2 weeks before the worst is completely over and its just mental, suboxone takes about 30 days before you can even start sleeping a few hours a night and your skin isnt crawlimg off all day. I weened myself down to an 8th of an 8mg strip a day and still took me 60 days to feel halfway normal again.
Facts
Last 5 years and over
Umm..my persoal experience with coming off both heroin (cold turkey) and bup is quite opposite of what you are saying. Coming off heroin was for me 5 days in hell but after that i started to feel like myself again. Ofcourse there where some lingering effekt for weeks after. Bup however is a differrent story. While not as intense, it lasts way longer. RLS for up to a month.. insomnia with zero sleep for 15 days at the most for me. Also extreme fatigue and dissosiation for weeks..and absolutly no hunger. Im not trying to bash the medicine, it saved my life probably. But for me at least, even with proffessional help weening off it took me 11 years to finally be able to do it.
The abdominal pain and depression is the worst part. Praying for all of you who are struggling.
Day 3 off subs, taperd for 2 years from 24mg and finally dropped off completely at 1/4 mg. Withdrawal isn't too bad so far, had some trouble sleeping and cravings but I decided to have some comfort food and that helped. Muscle aches a little but it's mild. I mostly feel lethargic, but coffee is helping with that also. I think I'm finally done!
John M I’m literally having the exact same situation right now. Tomorrow will be my first day off of it. I have gone down to about 0.3 mgs a day. I’m nervous but excited to be done with it completely. If you have any advice I’d like to hear it.
@@mikeyanno457 I stopped 0.4milligrams and it was a walk in the park.really. I just slept less ,was a bit sweaty but looked so fresh.
I was full of energy and felt great.
ITS NOTHING COMPARED TO THAT NASTY HEROIN.
The change from heroin to bupranorphinre was much much worse!!!.
STAY STRONG 💪
@@stevenlocke2396 dude you just gave me so much hope man. that i can taper and withdrawal . thank you man seriously
I'm going onto day 3, I tapered down to literally a crumb, I think it must of been .2 or .3, the withdrawal symptoms are pretty minor compared to how I felt not taking pills, not much of an appetite but I can eat, definitely having anxiety but nothing killer, I'm willing to tough it out if I can be free from relying on a god damn pill for the rest of my life
@@colina8675 the withdrawls dont even really start till day 3 that's why yall are saying that
I work in a Suboxone Clinic and I appreciate your informative videos. I often use them in groups to educate and promote discussion. Thank you for your work.
Thank you for trusting us
The best method to quit opioid addiction, with no cold turkey is: Start with comfortable dose of suboxone ( use the film not the pill ) at your own pace cut it in half then 1/4- 1/8 1/16. Until you have reduced it it to as little as 1/32 of a dose. Then switch to a comfortable dose of Tramadol. Reduce it one pill a day at your own pace. At this point you can stop with little or no discomfort.
Something to also consider is lifestyle and what I mean is exercise to be exact. I’m not a doctor however from my experience of dealing with withdrawal, exercise actually made it a lot easier. You may not feel motivated to do it but if you do trust me it can help. Even if it’s just pushups every night to start, just start. The soar feeling you get from working out your muscles kind of take over your mind on the pain you maybe experiencing from withdrawal. I hope this helps someone. Also listen to meditation or uplifting music for your mental. You have to also help yourself throughout the process.
Dr b is one of the best and most understanding dpcotors I've come across,knows exactly what the go is regarding opiate treatment,we need more doctors like him. Cheers from Australia
Thank you and cheers to you
I'm working with my MD to decrease my buprenorphine patch over months. I got on it for severe pain which has greatly improved. Ive gone from 20mcq to 15 and now at 10 this week. We're taking months to get off it. Was on 20 for 1 year. Went to 15 for 6 months after pain was rectified by surgery. I'm still scared about totally getting off it. Appreciate your videos.
I have to ask you doctor how many studies are done with patients who have been on high dose for over 10 years? I had horrible long-term withdrawals. Multiple nights of restlessness. The next two weeks every single night I would sleep three or four hours waking up every 45 minutes with my legs twitching. Trying to work full-time and took two weeks off from work for withdrawal. It wasn't enough at the end of that month I was begging for an end to it.
The half life is much longer so what I’ve found is that the withdrawal doesn’t really start for at least 2-3 days after taking your last buprenorphine dose! I’m currently on my 8th day of buprenorphine withdrawal. Yes it’s much milder symptoms compared to Heroin withdrawal but these symptoms do last longer..
I'm on my 4 day n it's the worst
Anthony Dantony hang in there you’re almost through the worst of it depending on when your withdrawal started! Day 4 and day 8 were the worst for me.. hence why I was on here looking at this video!😂🤣I’m on day 22 now.. just find some way to make the time pass like watching stuff on Netflix or here on TH-cam.. and try not to fixate yourself on how horrible you’re feeling! I know it’s hard! But it takes guts to put yourself through this and come out on the other end!!
@@macaronitony9569 how're you doing now???
Hannah Hopkinson I’m curious how he’s doing too.. I’m on day 55 and feeling great!✌🏻
@@xdeadxrabbitx excellent!!! I've lost count 😂🙈 thought it would be embedded in my brain for all of eternity!
I started suboxone 8 yrs ago after going off vicodin for fibromyalgia pain. I am not an addict. I have tried to get off the subs several times without success. I had my md's recommendation for dosaging. After 9 months of struggling with horrible withdrawl symptoms, I finally gave up and went back on it. I have not read of any testimonials like mine. I probably needed back up meds but my doctor did not do this. I hate being on any drug that I have no control over. I am 72 and don't want to be on this drug anymore. Any recommendations? I live in the detroit/Lansing area
Did u beat it? I'm tapering now and its crappy, but I want off these subs so bad
@@edieseltzer4896 nope. Gave in shortly after 9 months. Still on it.
@@cynthiadrolshagen4144 I was unsuccessful. I only made it 5 days. I don't think I will ever beat this. It's hell!
My doctor was amazing. My clinic STILL calls and checks up on me. She helped me decide when I was ready (4 years on MAT), and I decided to switch to Sublocade and am now totally off of all medications. My last Sublocade shot was on 7/22/20 and I’ve been feeling pretty good since.
Strong and I am so happy your doc rocks
I been on MAT for almost 2yrs and im ready to stop. I'm at the point in my life, were I feel I mentally strong enough to not be dependent on anything. MAT has changed my life but I never wanted to be on it forever. I take 8mg 3x a day, which is 24mg a day, some days I only take 16mg a day. Im just ready to stop because it messed with my hormones. Any advice?
I fd up switching from MAT to suboxone years ago and was sick as a dog from precipitated withdrawals careful anyone trying this
@@Ty_James21Taper taper taper. I jumped off at 1.3mg a day and it still was hard
That myth of buprenorphine being evil to come off has been around for awhile.
My friend did her taper in a 6 weeks, but everyone is different.
Thank you for voice of reason
Dr.B, My question would have been how come some physicians do not explain to patients the ones who come in good faith and discuss the Post-Acute Withdraw Syndrome associated as well,
that in itself can contribute to relapse without explaining to logical patients what's gonna happen.
That is hard for me to answer my friend. Maybe they don't understand the complexity of addiction and mechanism of relapse. This itself is why subs are so important and physician very dangerously and mistakingly think that if someone has been clean a few days or weeks subs are out of the question. Dead wrong, LITERALLY!!!
Dr.B,
To further elobrate let's say the people in the US specifically who are everyday productive citizens of society, normal to some extent social behaviors , and are prescribed full opiate antognists have built up physical tolerance to there dosages and gradually increased not for the sake of euphoria but for the same therupatic outcome and are ashamed due to social stigmas or labeling of how they might be perceived as addict when the reality is maybe this is expectant behavior of the medication and there doctor failed to explain that any use for chronic pain will build a physical dependancy , patients are not informed that the CDC has a tapering plan of 10% reduction monthly and physicians are reducing the patient by 30% every month. Causing patients discomfort.... And I thank you for your reply I greatly appreciate the positive conversation regarding this matter.
I hope my answer helps.
I asked my doctor just to see his answer...I said how many mg are ppl supposed to jump...he said 2 MG!!! I don't think that's the correct answer.😒
VERY GOOD POINT That is the ass kicker
I also had to taper off rather quickly because the subs were causing me constant vomiting and nausea, didn’t seem like I was gonna make it for a long time, I’m honestly shocked to say that I’m Day 2 off subutex today and I’m never goin back. I’m one of the lucky ones. I know many that may never be as lucky as I am. I wish it could be different.
How are u now
I love this channel I just subbed great info!!
Thanks I appreciate that! If I can answer any questions for you just let me know!
@@DrBAddictionRecovery
Well I'm kicking methadone now on day 5 so I'm sure I'll have questions for you thanx so much!!
@@prisonpov how did it go? It’s been a year. Are you still off methadone??
In comparison to Dilaulid withdrawal (wich I think are the worst) ,bupe is relatively mild
I have serious doubts that long term taper even works. I dont think the receptors start the healing process until there is zero foreign chemicals in the body
Taper def helps going from 24mg to 0 is gonna be alot worse than .5 to 0 trust me.i dint think you need to taper for a year are 6 months like they say but def want to taper over couple weeks
I have a great question. Some context I have been going through withdrawal cold turkey for nine or ten days. I have not been able to sleep for 4 days so I decided to take a small amount of Subutex (maybe 1-2mg) now does my withdrawal symptoms reset because I did that? Or is it just going to alleviate it for a little bit like if you was to say use opiates once and then just quit you wouldn't get addicted is this the same concept or did I just reset everything I did?
I'm really sad this never got an answer because I'm literally doing this exact thing right now. Did it work for you? How much were you using before you quit? I was up to about 8mg a day and have tried to taper down, I went 5 days clean but that 5th day broke me as a human. I HAD to alleviate the fucking leg and back pain. So I did a tiny bit. Maybe 0.5mg and I slept like a baby that night. Now I'm again on day 2 and can feel the pain starting to seep back in, and if I can't sleep I'll have to see myself to the plate again and dose up. Did it seem to reset for you? Were you successful at coming off them? Regardless, I wish you the best my friend. Hang in there, we can make it. We WILL make it.
I need to know this as well@@LauraDelvecchio
I'm a Pharmacist... I have had a compliant patient reduce over 1.year from 24mg Suboxone to 0.4mg Subutex 5 days ago. Came in over weekend and was authorised 2 "take away " doses where he said he'd reduce for 2 days halving the 0.4 to 0.2 my dose then quarter the final tablet... So 4 final days on 0.1mg then stop... I advised him to check in and advise his progress over the week. He's a clever, intelligent guy who's very goals oriented (completing a Masters Degree ATM). At day 2 of the final taper he's more fatigued but coping with everything. Just a mild headache, yawning and occasional sneezing... Less cold tolerance but it's freezing here anyway right now.
Interesting too, is that he says keeping busy and participating moreso in things is helpful... I'll hopefully get an update in 3 or 4 days and will add here. Drinking Tonic water and L-tyrosine added to coffee helps apparently for him.
This is not advice, merely commentary....
Subscribed! Great channel came from REAL TALK RECOVERY !
Thanks so much, She's amazing!
Dr. B Addiction Recovery yes she is ! Hey I variety of questions I would love to ask yu . I don’t know how busy you are man . But I would love to interview you to man . I have a bunch of questions a different set of questions for the average youth ..
So thankful I found a Dr with this same knowledge and mind set. Life has been so much better ❤️
Thankyou!
I know this video is four years old, but I am very grateful it exist. After five years, I am starting to take my journey to get off of Subutex and I am so scared.
Discomfort.... Sneezing.. no sleep
YOU BET!!!!!!!!!!!!
Facts .depression anxiety anxious emotional wreck
3 sneezes in a row??!
My personal experience.. I was on 32mgs/day of Suboxone(after being put on pain meds after an accident). I was told I could never get off & no dr/specialist would help me wean down after having neck surgery. So, I weaned myself off over 7yrs. I wish I had known what I was in store for! I wish I had only 6days or even 6wks of acute withdrawals.. the physical pain(which is HELL) didn’t even start to diminish til over a year off the Subs & then the post acute withdrawal hit HARD!! I have never had Any mental disorders previous.. it’s been 2&1/2yrs now since I detoxed completely off subs & im still in PAWS. The psychological withdrawals are horrific, even still. I’ve been told by a neuro-addiction specialist that it takes upwards of 4yrs for the brain to heal & start producing natural dopamine. I still have the physical, but it comes in waves & it’s bearable. I’ve never had cravings for the drug itself nor have I ever abused any medication/drug.
Where are the researchers out there who have studied patients who’ve been put on buprenorphine for EXTENDED Long periods of time & actually gotten off & stayed off Suboxone?!
Oh, and why are we not told that buprenorphine is the cause of major dental issues? 😢
The issue is with getting help from a dr is most insurances don’t pay for a dr visit or meds. So most can’t afford a $200 doctor visit then pay the $800 for the meds so of course they get them off the street. If there was a way ppl could get the help they need at a reasonable price more would be under a doctors care.
Great explanation of Buprenorphine withdrawal!
Hey, Great to see you check out my channel! I really appreciate that, and love the work you do. I'm glad you thought this was helpful! Any other advice on this subject matter you'd recommend to people?
@@DrBAddictionRecovery yeah,,, im also just accepting the fact maybe i need this and not take it for granted anymore after 25 years of on more than off use,,, so,, maybe i will stay on maintenance and come off slowly when more of the obsession subsides,, so i do have a script now its just waiting to take it,, because i go into precipatated withdrawal quick,, i have to wait almost 48 hrs to start
Hi Scotty, Do not feel ashamed to use please. It is a legitimate medication for a legitimate disease. Only in the United States is that a FACT not recognized. Please consult your doctor. Thank you for your comment and let me know how I can help you with any other questions!
I am prescribed Suboxone twice a day (8mg). However i only take a half a day, and probably 5 days off i start feeling withdrawal symptoms, not real bad. Anxiety, overthinking..etc. I have been on methadone 5 times years ago. My question is should i just keep withdrawing, till i feel better (or take like not even a quarter of one?) to feel a bit better? Or maybe im going the wrong way about it...
im on buprenorphine for 6 years now, always bought from the street, no doctor would prescribe me anything, i started at 12 mg and got down to 4mg on my own, now im on day 4 without it from 4mg to 0 due to lockdown. I see this as a chance to get off of it forever even though it hurts. Some people are able to use this substance as intendended and/or have no other way to live a normal life without buying it on the street. If you have the dicipline to get off of heroin, oxys or whatever, if you dont have medical helb and no doctor in your region has any clue nor want to help you, do it on your own, you can do its absolute BS that you cant do it on your own. In fact in my case it was my only option.
How did you do?
I have been on buprenorphine for about five years, recently I have been on 8 mg. I'm trying to quit but the withdrawal is horrible. last time i tried withdrawal lasted a full month. I haven't slept in three weeks. not to mention other symptoms.
If you've encountered the horrors of heroin or even the full time mind game of opiate based medication, this medication is very effective as it's serves only as a blocker if taken properly.
Once you've discovered opiates the craving never leaves you, suboxone removes the fixation, allows you to function normally and ensures you don't subtly slide towards opiates
i thought the same thing about the cravings. but i swear i dont crave heroin anymore and i havent for 2 years. i see everyone else being happy and normal and making money and i crave that much more now. its so weird i havent taken subs for 2 days and i thought i would be craving it but im not. maybe im just coping because i legit cant get them for another 2 days until i get paid. but right now i just want to get this shit over with and not feel so depressed. i know it will go away after the withdrawls is done so that motivates me a little.
@@snø_music0
Suboxone has a half life of up to 74 hours so it can take up to 2 weeks before it totally leaves your system.
Thats bs really I uses to think that then 4 years later body grew tolerant and was getting semi sick even taking the meds 12 years of being opiate addict heroin all that the only way your gonna get better is if your grit your teeth and push through the withdrawls cuz let me tell you methadone and suboxone are worse then regular short acting opiods withdrawls 3x times longer at least a full month of physical symptoms you won't even feel the eithdrawls till like 2 or 3 days later just my 12+ years of experience
My palliative care doctor put me on 125 micrograms of Fentanyl and 180 mg of morphine for 8 years I'm on Suboxone now 16 mg a day or buprenorphine 16 mg a day how long will it take me to come off of this I'm a regular Joe I'm not a street person I'm not a drug addict how long will it take me to get off of this medicine I've been on it for 7 months
having any luck getting off of it?
I have been making videos on my tapers recently, thanks for making these they are really
Helpful!
Thank you young lady. I’m sorry about your experiences. We are here if we can do anything
And I will check them out
I'm taking 2mg every other day currently, and continuing to taper. I'm ready to be done with this depression and apathy
Ima disagree it took me 32 days to feel ok again off Subs yes it’s not as intense as heroin withdrawal but it lasts long enough to break your will I am not a doctor but iv been through this and I can say in my experience bupenorphine withdrawal is worse overall than heroin withdrawal it’s not as intense no but it fucks with your emotions a lot more and it lasts way too long
That’s why you taper my friend I quit cold turkey and was in withdrawal over a month. And relapsed this time I tapered down before I quit and I’m on day 5 and feel so much better. Yeah I’m withdrawing but I already feel like most of it is out of my system.
Do u have any idea how I can battle the depression and emotional crap from this withdrawal from your experience? Ty in advance.
@@edieseltzer4896 yeh its terrible, did you stay off it? I feel like you have to go thru grief and loss of the comfort of opiates.
I have been on buprenorphine for years and am trying to stop. I hate withdrawals so am researching the best way to get clean and stay clean.
I am using Kratom to get off Subs. 2 weeks so far, so good. I plan to taper off Kratom after one month off Subs.
Suboxen is a devils drug
Yeah, because it misused by doctors, it was meant to be used very very short term to avoid WD. This being on it long term should’ve never happened or been allowed.
I was on suboxone for 12 years until 13 days ago … its been rough , but im fighting through this crap
@@REALDEALMMA91 it’s worth it, I was able to do it. I came off that crap hard too for some reason.
@@REALDEALMMA91how're you doing? I need to know. Are you okay? Just keep fighting no matter what. I'm planning a taper soon. Any tips?
Heroin smoking people can stop quickly if use Buprenorphine? When can start use buprenorphine i means become more sick time(yawning, body pain,mood oftime, water toilet and ... is this is the time for use this medication)or daily how many mg to used from get away from heroin smoking. And any other medication need for keep near.
I try different way stay alone room to stop this but canot without any medication from your video's very helpful vidio i always watching luckily i get this medication stay room to stop this heroin smoking
I’m on day 14 still have body akes depressed wake updrenched I was doing 30s for 6 years at my worst like 5 a Day then went to clinic was on subs for 3 years and it does help keep u normal but at the end the day it’s the same shit just another opiod and wish i just locked myself in my rm for a month or 2 three years ago instead of getting subs ...but life dnt stop everyone sitch is diff 2 .....Be strong and push threw I keep telling myself there’s light at the end of the tunnel god bless
You know they have a shot now right my counselor sold me on me but then backed out because they didn't think I have enough time off but the sublocade you take 5 times and it weens you off without withdrawal that's why they are worried about people taking it that still slip up you wont have it to fall back on you take it once a month the first is 300mg then its 100mg a month after I've heard of people feeling so good that they only did 1 shot though it stays in your system and time releases for months
Ya but it’s still opioid I’m on day 16 or 17 now and I’m never going back starting to feel a lil better ..but thanks hope everybody can get off 👌
@@basketballismytherapy9364 I only suggested because why put yourself through that pain lol I came off 150mg of methadone cold turkey and the prison nurse had the audacity to suggest I was faking it I was running around in my slingshots going nuts I know sub withdrawal is a lot of depression bud and sneezing
Ya methadone Brody I weened my self off from half to .2 and fuck the Paine Jesus went threw worst I need to feel this an go threw it so I remember it An wen I get a Lil antsy and crave I think back an it helps
But I here you everydays tough. Hate feeling like having the flu that doesn’t go away hope the best for you and that you succeed in life👍
Suboxone... Helps great up front but the Devil makes you pay on the back end.....
it took me less than 2 weeks to feel normal after stopping heroin, ive been off suboxone over a month and i still cant sleep gud, last night not at all due to RLS, suboxone takes alot longer, because it takes like 5 days for withdrawals to really kick in
Dr. B. I’m a 65 year old with Quadriplegia due to severe burning and severe spasms my Doctor currently has me on 12mg of Subutex I really would like to taper off of Subutex that I have been on for 10 years just to try other meds that may help with my problems that are not opiates. My doctor is not real knowledgeable on the taper topic. I suffer with anxiety and take 2mg of Clonazepam as needed. I wanted to try starting a 2mg taper until I feel under control at that level. I’m a very unique situation but would really like to become opiate free and then work on the Clonazepam. I know finding another doctor would help but not many doctors that would prescribe both meds I am taking. I have never used street drugs or put a needle in my arm. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Dr. B.
Gosh. What I would really know is why come off and what other meds you are thinking? Do you live in CA?
@@DrBAddictionRecovery No unfortunately I live in Maryland. I live with a Supra pubic because of past UTI’S. So I take Methenamine HIPP 1mg. Was in hospital this past April with a blocked small intestine from scar tissue and they also found a gastric bleeding ulcer. I worry constantly, world affairs etc. While in the hospital they told my family I had a drug problem and should taper off the meds. They totally missed the reason why I was on Subutex to begin with. So they have my family mainly my wife that this drug is not good for me. I don’t smoke or drink. Like I said never have done any street drugs. Just lost Dr B with trying maybe to convince my family that this drug is not hurting me or my body. I feel so guilty for taking the Subutex they have me feeling like an addict. Plus the horror stories I read on TH-cam about getting off Subutex. I’m just a elderly man that does not know what to do In my situation. Thanks for returning my message. I think if I could find a good addiction doctor that could explain the medication and why it’s used would be helpful. But not to many knowledgeable ones in Maryland. Thanks again.
I wish there were more people like you!🙂
🙏. That is kind
Ugh ! Here because I ran out of my Buprenorphine 3x daily 5 days early. Been on this for 10 years
I am going to be praying for you. How's everything now?
I'm on bupronorphine only 2 MG per day is it hard to quit
I am on a quarter of it . This has been for one year . Trust yourself and don't hurry as it may cause more worries .
Same here, 2mg per day but I have one idea how to get of it
@@familjensiresi7918 plz tell how
My addictions doctor never talked to me about tapering when I told him I wanted to get off of suboxone after 9 years. I went from 5mg to nothing and had 2 months of bad withdrawals including 2 weeks of not being able to move or function at all. I was so dizzy and weak I could only walk after slowly getting up and still could only walk a few feet at a time without falling over. I have never heard of this symptom, I had zero prior conditions and my blood pressure was checked many times and it's always been normal.
Should of had buvidal , makes things easier.
Now this is a doctor!
Subs saved my life. Took it off the street for a long time. Kept me safe. Would love to talk to you one day about this. I used for 4 years
Hi Johnny, thank you for sharing a small piece of your story! Send me an email if you'd like to connect. I am always interested in bringing people on to share their stories!
Dr. B Addiction Recovery that would be amazing. You could use my story as well if you want. Where can i find your email?
Thanks for patience. It is getdrb@gmail.com
Johnny are you still on Subs , don't get offended ,just want to learn about this new Government control medication.
Dr. B Addiction Recovery I am considering getting on this medication. I too have heard the horror stories and I can’t afford that type of experience.
Is it true that longer acting opiate have longer withdrawal spans? If so, buprenorphine is an extremely long acting opiate.
I recently had a mix up with my insurance coverage, and was unable to get my 20mcg patches, on a holiday 3 day weekend. I went for 5 days, without the prescription patch. I take this for autoimmune related chronic pain. By day 3, I seriously felt that death would be a relief. All due to a billing error. This has put the fear of God in me, and I'd like to try to taper off. It's easy to say we must work with our docs for this process, but I have experienced doctors who pull patients off opiods way too fast, or even cold turkey, if you tell them you are concerned about withdrawal. Drs. are so afraid of the consequences FOR THEM, and their licensing, especially when the opioid crisis first came to light. My former doctor was awful about this.
this is a doctor that looks at “ studies”. I have kicked percs , dope and suboxone in my life. by far the suboxone was by far the longest detox. I’m under the care of a doctor and the detox is long and tough. I’m going through a decrease now and I feel it every day. I even feel the difference between brands. I know I am in a long road.
StAy strong! Come on channel Sundays 1:40 if questions for me
How are you now Margaret? Did you get off??
I had to take perk 5s to get through days 3-8…Suboxone is no joke (38 days now)
Something that helped me. Take as prescribed. Imodium. It really helps with the stomach. Do what you want. But it helps. Good luck.
2:30 Less severe yes, but certainly not less amount of time. Bupe withdrawal is much longer (length of time) than heroin and oxycodone. 100% facts. The symptoms are not as bad. Oxycodone withdrawal makes you not want to get out of bed. Bupe withdrawal sucks but you can still "function" somewhat. Oxycodone is an intense withdrawal lasting about 7 days. Bupe withdrawal is a medium withdrawal lasting at least 14 days, probably closer to 30 days (for physical symptoms, and then mental symptoms are the rest of your life).
Last statement is bullshit
@@DeLuca101 How?
@@Michael_Turner cus...mental symptoms last forever?
@@DeLuca101 Yes. They do.
The mental cravings and triggers (also know as SYMPTOMS of addiction; the disease) last forever. Less intense as time goes by. But some addicts are clean 10 years, relapse, and fall right back into active addiction. Why do you think that is?
@@Michael_Turner my interpretation of what you meant was different.
The worst withdrawals are insomnia averaging 1-2 hours sleep a night and RLS
Here from tiktok. 5yrs clean with subutex 🙂
Amazing! Thankyou for coming over!
How do you know if you havnt been on it??? I believe the people and my own experiences with it. You're wrong.
I have been on heroin for 35 years and am 7 days clean with just 0.5 mg of buprenorphine. I used the MAT process . Using buprenorphine 2mg in the morning then if I feel withdrawals I used heroin and by the third or fourth day the withdrawals were gone and am tapering myself down but not completely though as the more you hurry the more you worry. Good luck friend.
@Dbenzsanz what????? Doesnt sound like you are doing things the right way. Heroine for 35 years geeze. It hasnt even been any heroine for like 6 or 7 years now. Yall stop calling fetnayl heroine. It is not the same!!!
I was on Suboxone 24mg for 3 years. The first question I'd like to ask: are there an studies on longterm buprenorphine treatment, its longterm effectiveness and relapse rates? In my experience and from what I've heard from friends, after a few years the body seems to reject it and lose effect (not just tolerance levels being high). I was cruising for two years and I got my life back: I was back in school again, working out three times a week and running daily. I had my own apartment and everything was wonderful. Then it seemed like the buprenorphine stopped working or its saturation effect on the opiate receptors stopped completely.
I started craving drugs and opiates in particular. The suboxone simply wasn't enough, even though it should have been and indeed had been for so long. Are there any studies on this and what might the reason be
Anyway, about the withdrawals... It was hell. Like being dopesick for three months. The immediate withdrawal symptoms were hell, sure, but the worst was the post acute withdrawal symptoms. Cold sweats, diarrhea, a general feelikg of unease and worst of all were the restless legs. It kept me wide awake all night, when I tried falling asleep or did finally fall asleep I would wake up because of my restless legs. This all continued for months. I was being held under a law here in Sweden that allows for forceful treatments of addicts that are a danger to themselves or others. Basically they lock you up for 6 months inside a jail, the glass panes are indestructible, everyone wears a prison uniform, you don't get to have personal possessions or a phone and you can't go outside. So basically it's prison reserved for the heaviest drug abusers that are about to die from drugs, I write this because this is where I detoxed from sub. Had I been on the outside I most definitely would have started using H again. It is unbearable. I have detoxed from methadone after this and it comes nowhere near the sub WD.
Clean for 7 years now 😁💪
Man I’d love to talk and answer. Long question. Can we Skype or something
@@DrBAddictionRecovery Sorry, didn't see the reply until now. Yes for sure we could, it'd however only be text. I think Skype has text chat too right? Let me know your username and I'll add you. I have so many questions i have always wanted to ask an MD tegsrdikg methadone and addiction in general, and a lot about addiction treatment in the US. I could answer any questions you might have about addiction treatment in the socialized healthcare system of Sweden too. Thanks for your time Dr :)
@@DrBAddictionRecovery this is making SO much sense to me , I'm three weeks off subutex,and I still don't feel well 😭 everyone is expecting me to be all lively and energetic and I'm just NOT,and nobody seems to understand about paws or the sheer length of time it takes to really get over things... After reading some of the comments here it sounds like it's only just begun!! At least it makes sense why I feel like I do now ...
@@hannahhopkinson9044 paws can last a while. Give yourself a good 90days to start feeling better.
@@DrBAddictionRecovery 😖😖😖 WOW, that's crazy... I'm so screenshotting this comment to show everyone!! Nobody said it was going to be easy though!
Hello dr. ..i switched to buprenorphine for only 6 weeks. I went through morphine withdrawals before i got on buprenorphine. I took the buprenorphine to quick and went into withdrawals 2 days after quitting morphine it was only one day of heavy withdrawals.. i suffer with severe pain and cannot sleep well... because of my pain..so been on the buprenorphine for 6 weeks only 2mg 3 times a day... decided to go back on morphine for the pain..the buprenorphine hurts my gums very bad.. hoping since im only on buprenorphine only 6 weeks...it will not be that bad... just needed to clean up my body off morphine for a lil bit...i wish i could have stayed on buprenorphine but not to well for me. Thanks for your videos it helped alot. ❤😊
buprenorphine save my life im on it for 6 year's so glad that it exist and i get off it without any withdrawal
Thank you for your comment.
You said Buprenorphine save your Life , I fine with that , are you still using Buprenorphine Today after 6 years on this stuff , please be Honest ,its important to all of us .
How did you get off no withdrawal that sounds impossible
@@prisonpov We get people off bup all the time without any problems. few important facts1. Is patient ready 2. speed is right for them 3. close follow-up and support. Hope that helps.
@@DrBAddictionRecovery thank you!
16mg?!
I got on buprenorphine to get off kratom. Im only doing 2 to 4 mg a day tops. I feel like it is hard to taper
Update. Ive been losing weight unintentionally. Could that be from the buprenorphine?
Dude I shouldn't have been put on this for kratom use
And when did you experience addiction, careless doctors who don’t really care and support organizations that insert one into an endless cycle of referrals and rejections? Have you come off an opiate with one of the longest half-lives of any opiate?
It may be nice to cite clinical studies, but after a certain age, I have noticed, people like me less and less and encourage me to stay on what is easiest for them, not me.
Most people who say they “care” are being paid to do so. Once one is alienated from their children, workplace and is socially isolated, withdrawals are dangerous. Especially when “professionals” want me to stay on the crap which has helped to ruin my life for the past 11 years.
The assumption that after “only” two years the person will go straight back to a needle or I prescribed painkillers is a risk worth taking. Better to go back on Suboxone, than stay on it for a lifetime.
Suboxone affects the mind, it makes one unemotional, or over-emotional. It is not a solution for the user, only for the “professionals” who don’t want to put the energy in helping solve the real problem of addiction,the decision that reality avoidance is better than reality itself.
What do I know though? I have only been a poly drug abuser for 40 years, with some sobriety in between. Just enough to fix my life, and destroy it again, over and over. There comes a point where one starts to think the benefits of life do not outweigh the misery of the future.
Couple of thoughts:
1. I understand your frustation and sentiment
2. I have never had a heart attack but was damn good at treating and teaching young doctors how to treat them as a prof of EM
3. I wish you the best with this beast of a thing to deal with
4. Thanks for comment
Dr. B Addiction Recovery Thank-you for your acknowledgment.
Also, some content on this subject is better than little or none. Thanks for the content as well:)
I've been on suboxing for 3 ready to detox. Just wondering once I take my last dose. How long will it stay in my body? 4 and detox cusually, they say. Buffalo Finn has had a 1/2 shelf life. So it stays in your body longer than most. Pills are anything so I figure that makes the detox a little bit long is heroine.You can detalks in three days and feel fine
37 days before its out welcome to hell
I was with a doctor that only priscribed the sub. Nothing else .. I had to do it my self down to 2 mg , 1 mg a day .50 mg a day .25 mg a day 12.5 a day a day .6.3 mg a day to . 3.2 mg by myself . and still had withdrawl but it can be done put ur mind and it can be done never never give up .. Clean life is best life
may I ask how you managed these small doses, if you have a 2 mg pill?
S Mejia did u feel fatigue and feet sweating
100% what this guy said.
I took my last dose of Suboxone 48 hours ago. I'm having some body aches, and restlessness. But, this isn't as bad as coming off of opiates. Maybe the worst is yet to come... I realize that Subs have a much longer half life, so maybe it isn't completely out of my system yet. I've gotta do this, because I wanna make my CDL license. They changed the law, and now will not accept someone that has Bupe in their system. I'm laid off right now, so I can just stay home, and suffer through it.
What state? And good luck.
WVa.
I took my last dose Friday, around noon. Right now, I'm just past midnight, on Monday night(technically Tuesday now, I suppose). This hasn't been near as tough as my really heavy hydro withdrawal. Am I approaching the "hump" yet? Or, is the worst yet to come? I had been taking about 12mg a day Suboxine, and stopped cold turkey.
@@jamiesloan5902 update on your situation?
What do I do when my doctor won’t give me meds due to no payment ? I’m scared. And I’ve been working my azz off to come with the money. But I have family to care for and my care and my mother. But I’m now without my meds because I can’t come up with $100 to pay my doctor office fee. I’m scared.
One thing under looked is the interaction of bupenorphine with delta and kappa opiate receptors. This is different from all other opiates/opioids. it seems a lot of people report more serious and long lasting depression coming off of bupenorphine. I’d love to see more research on this.
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I’m battling the depression and lethargy now, over 30 days clean and still no relief
I’ve been having severe withdrawals from 20 mcg/day patches which I stopped cold turkey for about 3 weeks. First week and a half was intense every day and after that I would have 1-2 day clusters of wds. Worst medication I’ve ever come off of withdrawal wise. I know I should have tapered off but I was under pressure from my family to quit. Also, never used heroin or abused my medications. But I have been on bup patches for about 4 years. Also- I was taking butrans patches.
Professor Bee very same here it took me 3 weeks as well the time we tried it.
Wow, 20 mcg cold turkey is rough. Thanks for sharing
I had 40mcg and using by injecting, tryed cold turkey, it was hell and day 13 I gave up, now trying again and I know allready that I can't do this, this pain is too much. Greetings from Finland. God Bless you all.
Wow, that’s amazing.
I feel withdrawals from subutex after about 24 hours . I hate them damn jitters and having no energy and can't sleep . But I do agree that it's not as bad as heroin withdrawls . That was a terrible experience for me
I'm curious do you still feel the same 1 year later
You are wrong!! No they are not! Coming off this is way worse!! Wow
Ohhh Jesus. Same challenge no one has taken! Come on the channel, argue your point.....and this wil give me a chance to show you in what sense you are categorically wrong. I will have a chance to clarify your process of critical thinking, the value of clinical science, why and how it works, and why you had the negative experience you did and it does not apply in the "sense" I am right. Peace and thank you.
@@DrBAddictionRecovery I am going thru it now. Can u help me then have tips to get off?? I am sorry I am very irritable and I wish doctors can experience what they put us on and get us addicted to.
@@gemma-do9yr Sure! send email. getdrb@gmail.com
add your phone number
So what do you prescribe for constipation?
My biggest problem is waiting to have a BM before my first dose. I would love to take my first dose first thing but if I do before a BM I might not have a bm…
hey dr. b. thanks for the video. im on 6 mg of bupe for the last 10 days. im going to go to 4mg for 2 weeks and then 2mg for 2 weeks. I have to do 90 days in jail(for assault not drugs) and don't want to be in withdrawal in jail. my surrender date is april 16 so I have time. thanks
Good luck young man!
Dr. B Addiction Recovery Thanks. Should I still expect some withdrawals even with the taper?
How did your taper go my friend, what dose are you on now, or have you managed to stop it totally, I'm on 8 mg at moment, and want to taper, it took me 6 weeks to taper from 14mg
@@almuslim2346 6 to 4 I didn't notice. 4 to 2 I did. I'd try to do 2 at least a month before you come off. Also, due to Corona virus I didn't have to go to jail. And, I have a months supply of take homes. So my plan is to break the pills into pieces so I dont go from 2 to 0.
@@almuslim2346 and since I don't have to go to jail, yet, I'm back on 4 just to keep me on the straight and narrow.
Of course your going to feel like crap. Slow and steady wins the race. You have got to really want off it. Determination is the key. You get mad enough you will do it. Remember why you started in the first place. Once your off the suboxon. You have won. Then you can start a new chapter in your life. I'm on a real slow taper. I'm really looking forward to when it's behind me. Good luck.
My friend I lost my insurance two years ago I managed to stockpile about 100 Suboxone 8 mg strips I’ve been ripping the strips in the pieces for the last two years and I mean managed to get down to less than 1 mg a day today’s the first day with nothing , wondering what to expect
Possible not much. Depends
ProFlowers symptoms are hypothalamus it’s crazy hot and cold ,and my spit is shaving cream ,and uncomfortable
Little worse today ,ruff night . Body can’t regulate temp all over the place . Is there any medication to help hot flashes cold sweats .... ?
@@Wickedstickyflowers how was it? Going thru rn. Love brother.
I know it is. I've done it 🙏🏽 it's still uncomfortable..like having a cold. There is no easy way out of opiates. But the decision to want to get clean helps
I'm in the UK started on 12mg in december 2019 I'm down to 2.8mg daily now Feb 2020 b of it by march 2020
Well done! Keep it up, you can get your normal life back
Thanx doc I'm getting there
@Riddickk hi it comes in 2mg an I took 2 0.4 tablets there available in the UK I'm now on 2 0.4 tablets in the morning an 2 0.4 in the evening dont want 2 rush my tapering taperd down very quickly last time done it wk by wk but I ended up relapsing as long as I'm taking subutex I'm staying clean also tapering monthly of benzodiazapam I'm down 2 8mg a day the clinics r very good in England I pick up my script once a wk I'm gettin there stay safe in the USA
@Riddickk thanx for your interest it's good 2 talk an keep up the good work
Cool glad u liked my info I'm from the UK london
Just had this happen to me over the last two days. I am on 2mg of suboxone. And i was absolutely miserable. I ended up in the Emergency room today. Just for them to give me a 2mg suboxone. I had it at home but i thought it was making me sick as hell. Thats why i stopped taking it. And then wow. I really got sick. I was prescribed it for pain because it dosent stop my breathing like all other opiods do. And i live in pain 24/7 there is no getting off of it for me unless i want all my nerve pain to come back from lung surgeries.