You can adjust the start setting on this esc. Alternatively an inexpensive hobbywing esc and program card will solve the cogging issue virtually completely.
We have the 124019 and 144001. The 124 is seriously more durable as the 144 has lost a wheel, broken a shock tower and suffered lots of little breaks, so it's now loaded up with aluminum replacement parts. The 124's only issue is (as Amber noted) the wing in back. It is currently taped back together, but I have a full replacement body for it. If the 124 came in two colors, I would have gotten two, one for my daughter and one for her twin brother, but I thought the 144 would be the same build quality. It is not.
Nice to see wltoys beginning to introduce brushless versions into a successful lineup.. can't wait for them to figure out the issues and really dominate the lower price end of the market, I hope they succeed, really I do... big name brands are good, if you have the $$$
Just buy it as of now it's not way pricier than brushed. And swap the motor/esc for sensored. Almost every sensorless have cogging on start, some more some less, some let you adjust timings. Idk if this esc are programmable.
Don't sleep on the 124018 either, basically the same rig just a sand rail type body. I love mine, and the extra roll cage on the top is just extra protection for when I go off my ramp, Jet Li.
Got a 124019 currently, and a 124017 on its way to me as i type. The 19 is great fun, but its so fun and fast out of the box. For the price wtf get them both!
Just bought the purple one 2nd rc car car in two weeks pretty addictive but This purple one is awesome! Even people who are more experienced are telling me it’s great!
The diffs are dry on arrival, take the covers off and add some grease and the cogging issues go away. The body is high on one side because the motor wiring pushes against it, simply cut the zip ties and reroute the motor wires beneath the body shell so that it sits flat on the chassis.
This is the greatest car on the market currently. Low price, huge speed, HUGE sand climber and can fit all 1/10 parts. I haven't yet broken a single part personally, but it is very easy to break, so if you don't know your repairs or suck at driving, that's your loss because with a price of only 100 bucks from China, this model is an absolute steal.
I agree with you both.. I did upgrade my 19 with brushless system. Have not tested the speed yet but mashing the throttle it pirouettes on one rear wheel lol I use the 18 for bashing.
My boy has the 124019 and loves it. I've ordered the brushless one a few weeks ago, not recieved it yet so was great to see your side by side review. 1St one I've seen. Keep coming with the video's guys 👍👍. Have you thought of doing a live stream in the future??? Think you guys would be great 👌👌🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
im bout to buy the 124017 and a 3s battery and i found that the 124017 esc is adjustable and u can set the start delay so i will probably buy that with a iron gearing pack and full metal upgrade kit
With the brushless version, would upgrading to a 3650 size motor (same kv & pinion) fix the cogging? Also how were you able to run both cars at the same time? Usually one transmitter controls two cars.
The best way to fit your body is to us velcro Put the velcro along the edge of the chassis and on the inside of the body to where they meet together That's the way we did it back in my racing days No more having to keep up with body pins lol and its much easier to manage the body ✌️
I think the battery is slightly underpowered they're a very low c rating I think they're 25c so there's not enough kick to overcome the gearing and the resistance from the grass.
Do the instructions mention if the ESC is programmable? I wonder if some settings are maybe set too soft and could be altered to increase grunt/torque off the line? If not, would a higher spec replacement ESC make any difference? Would be easier now you don't have to change all the other electronic parts at the same time.
@@rehepeks I just watched a video suggesting that using a 3S battery helps (but doesn’t cure) some issues and makes it faster but I’m waiting for @therckiwis to do their 3S test too.
@@TheRcKiwis Hope you get $omething from the sale too! Other sites are suggesting 3S helps so I’m looking forward to your test but ultimately I suspect that if you actually want to use it off road and not just for speed runs, then a gearing change will be required (if mechanically possible).
If you are going to upgrade everything go straight to lc racing or tacon version.. better quality, more gearing options and will be cheaper in long run. Only do wl if not upgrading. I went upgrade route and wish someone gave me this advice
Great comparison, i supposedly have a purple one headed my way...i think i have to wait till november. kinda forgot i even ordered it till i saw this video.
LATE TO THE GAME. But i must mention, THE 017 IS CRAZY FAST. QC was good out of e box, had to throttle down 50%, just to be able to handle better at a REALLY short shorttrack. Many tumbles, 15 batts later, and all i got was a bent dogbone. 5min bending repair, and its back to e track! Best fun iv had on a 1/12 scale. Love/hate e tyres. Gonna keep them on e dirttrack, as it will just wear down too fast on tarmac. VERY REASONABLE PRICE and great transmitter too. Steering trim and speed expo is all that i need. By e way, range is good. it goes far enough till i cant see it. A good 100m easy. Well worth e price. May even swap e RX over to other cheaper cars for e range that this tx/rx offers. YOUR FIRST HOBBY-GRADE RC BUGGY 🤟🏽🤟🏽🤟🏽
The problem for both of these buggies actually is that while these are at 120 and 140€ respectively, the 144001 is down to 85€ which at that price is just unbeatable, i.e. I don't see how the price can be worth is - just my 2 cents.
I've ZD 9021v2 and love it, but just ordered the brushed her of the WLtoys buggy to thrash around with without worries of the cost of any brakages and it's smaller. I'll probably get larger wheels though.
Almost every sensorless brushless do cogging. It's not an wltoys issue, it's the principle that the esc has to have the motor turning to know in what windings to put the current/frequency. The only way to have non-cogging is to get sensored motor/ESC wich led to way better start and control. But, for the price... And the fact that cogging will only occur when getting of a complete stop...
I thinking about getting a couple of these for my son and I to race around. I however in the UK have an easier time getting spares for Tamiya models can you recommend any Tamiya models that are similar to these cars? I assume you have to order these WlT cars from China?
@@TheRcKiwis thanks for the reply. I’m definitely thinking of getting a WLToys car after watching the reviews and seeing what you get at such a good price. I like the purple model better but I understand there is a 1/10 out now. Too many choices lol.
nice content guys, feel solid for both cars. seems the brushed one really promising. can you tell me the wheelbase of both cars ?? ben planing for using another body shell for rally cross.
Y’all help me get Makerfire to fulfill my order! 😂😂 Used y’all’s code. Waiting on this brushed guy and it’s more off roady looking brushless brother. Makerfire just needs to get em shipped! 😜
Disclaimer: I know virtually nothing about RC cars. I love RC anything, can’t afford to get in to it though. I’m just making an uneducated observation… Would the lag in the brushless one (if it was put in there on purpose) be like a kind of traction/launch control because of any extra torque it has over the brushed one? I might be overthinking. Second video of yours that I’ve watched and won’t be the last. Great stuff!
But the cogging issues can be easily rectified by dropping one or two tooth from the pinion right? And it's still going to be plenty fast for bashing. Like someone who wants it for speed running won't mind the cogging, someone who wants it for street running won't notice it that much and someone who wants to bash will notice it more, but will benefit from a smaller pinion anyway.
Hey guys! Big hugs from HK! I started playing with RC rally cars after watching yours vids, recently got a Tamiya TT-02 Lancia Delta and Subaru Impreza, my two favorite cars in history. Do you have any recommendations for good tracks to play at that you guys went to while in HK? Congrats on the Channel guys!
Hello! Thats awesome! For off-road you have lali warehouse and then for on road you have TRC - Tom Racing Circuit. There are a few other you can ask some of the members at these two, I've forgotton the name of other ones.. Cheers!
We havn't yet, but Perth Oz Rc just made a video about how to help reduce the cogging, we shared in on our community page so be sure to check that out! 🍻
Does a HIPPO cogging as well ? what kind of grease do you prefer against cogging ? white lithuim grease ? black grease ? Marine grease ?? Good video !!!
Brushed motor's have the tourq, brushless has the horsepower...in the end its all in what you want from this car...plus the 124017 has some minor upgrades. Just look how they used bolts on the rear bulkhead it holds the rear together better 🤟😆
From this week on the 017 has been upgraded with a smaller pinion and more powerful motor. Cogging should be solved but seeing is believing. I've got one on the way. I would love to see the kiwi's do another review for the 017.
Good comparsion! The brushless version for some reason uses the same huge pinion as the brushed version and is definatly way over geared. I use a small 2845 racestar combo in my conversion but with the 17 tooth pinion from a Wltoys A959 and a modified motor mount. Runs beautifully, no cogging and loads of grunt!
@@neilaldridge9261 I got the pinion from banggood. Its from a wltoys a959. The motor mount has pre drilled holes and cut out for a smaller motor, but you still have to elongate one of the holes. Check out the channel "RC Mod Squad". Thats where I got the info from..
Well it depends on the kv of the motor, you can have lower kv and bigger pinion and higher kv with smaller pinion. Usually the latter gives less cogging due to less start torque needed.
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Hey Amber & Joe, are you gonna review the 124017 with the upgraded pinion, motor and transmitter? They are shipping now!
You can adjust the start setting on this esc. Alternatively an inexpensive hobbywing esc and program card will solve the cogging issue virtually completely.
Will cog as long as there is sensorless.
Thanks for following up and taking the time to run this comparison.
Very helpful.
Cheers Neil! No worries at all 🍻
We have the 124019 and 144001. The 124 is seriously more durable as the 144 has lost a wheel, broken a shock tower and suffered lots of little breaks, so it's now loaded up with aluminum replacement parts. The 124's only issue is (as Amber noted) the wing in back. It is currently taped back together, but I have a full replacement body for it. If the 124 came in two colors, I would have gotten two, one for my daughter and one for her twin brother, but I thought the 144 would be the same build quality. It is not.
Nice to see wltoys beginning to introduce brushless versions into a successful lineup.. can't wait for them to figure out the issues and really dominate the lower price end of the market, I hope they succeed, really I do... big name brands are good, if you have the $$$
Just buy it as of now it's not way pricier than brushed. And swap the motor/esc for sensored. Almost every sensorless have cogging on start, some more some less, some let you adjust timings. Idk if this esc are programmable.
Gotta give credit where credit is due.. you guys hussle hard. it's very much recognized and appreciated.. keep it up!
Don't sleep on the 124018 either, basically the same rig just a sand rail type body.
I love mine, and the extra roll cage on the top is just extra protection for when I go off my ramp, Jet Li.
Got a 124019 currently, and a 124017 on its way to me as i type. The 19 is great fun, but its so fun and fast out of the box. For the price wtf get them both!
Just bought the purple one 2nd rc car car in two weeks pretty addictive but This purple one is awesome! Even people who are more experienced are telling me it’s great!
Thx for the news, and i'm waiting my commande, for the 124017! In blue Color , i will try this Furious Buggy ! Have a Nice Week ! 🔥🔥👍🙏🙂
Purple one looks better IMO. Brushless one definitely jumps better, but I think I'd still go with the brushed one.
I’ve got the brushed it’s spot on for £75
The diffs are dry on arrival, take the covers off and add some grease and the cogging issues go away. The body is high on one side because the motor wiring pushes against it, simply cut the zip ties and reroute the motor wires beneath the body shell so that it sits flat on the chassis.
This is the greatest car on the market currently.
Low price, huge speed, HUGE sand climber and can fit all 1/10 parts.
I haven't yet broken a single part personally, but it is very easy to break, so if you don't know your repairs or suck at driving, that's your loss because with a price of only 100 bucks from China, this model is an absolute steal.
I agree with you both.. I did upgrade my 19 with brushless system. Have not tested the speed yet but mashing the throttle it pirouettes on one rear wheel lol I use the 18 for bashing.
I think the kv is too high on the brushless one and they didn't adjust anything with the gearing
I'm kinda wondering if a 3s battery could be used here because of the cap pack...does more volts help the brushless gain tourq???
That's exactly why the "lag" acceleration when throttle. The brushless motor, and the esc its working with really high ratio gear.
My boy has the 124019 and loves it. I've ordered the brushless one a few weeks ago, not recieved it yet so was great to see your side by side review. 1St one I've seen.
Keep coming with the video's guys 👍👍. Have you thought of doing a live stream in the future??? Think you guys would be great 👌👌🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Thats awesome! Yes, we are making a second live channel soon where we will do live builds, q and a's, vlogs etc on it 😉
So what do you think?
That's a tough question. For a little more money, I would probably buy brushless. Great video!
brushless motors suffer less from wear and it is more efficient than brushed, so longer drive time. U just forgot to mention
Wltoys 144010 or Wltoys 124017 v2 what's better?
Don't all sensor-less brushless motors cog? Some more than others obviously.
This type of reviews is priceless! Thank you a lot
im bout to buy the 124017 and a 3s battery and i found that the 124017 esc is adjustable and u can set the start delay so i will probably buy that with a iron gearing pack and full metal upgrade kit
With the brushless version, would upgrading to a 3650 size motor (same kv & pinion) fix the cogging?
Also how were you able to run both cars at the same time? Usually one transmitter controls two cars.
The best way to fit your body is to us velcro Put the velcro along the edge of the chassis and on the inside of the body to where they meet together That's the way we did it back in my racing days No more having to keep up with body pins lol and its much easier to manage the body ✌️
I think the battery is slightly underpowered they're a very low c rating I think they're 25c so there's not enough kick to overcome the gearing and the resistance from the grass.
Do the instructions mention if the ESC is programmable? I wonder if some settings are maybe set too soft and could be altered to increase grunt/torque off the line?
If not, would a higher spec replacement ESC make any difference? Would be easier now you don't have to change all the other electronic parts at the same time.
Also would like know if it can be improved. Have it preordered at the moment but thinking about cancellign.
@@rehepeks I just watched a video suggesting that using a 3S battery helps (but doesn’t cure) some issues and makes it faster but I’m waiting for @therckiwis to do their 3S test too.
So the brushed model wins. Looks better and you can buy a better brushless system for for the same price
I bought the 124019 but the motor got on fire... I build in a brushless 3650 system but that also coghs
I got the 124019 and the spur gear is plastic. It broke in 2 months. I upgraded it metal spur gear. Runs like a beast.
can you give me a link of your spur gears? Like where you bought them?
Where to get the metal spur gear?
I got it from Amazon. * it's the whole assembly shaft and gears
Thanks again guys. After some reflection, I used your code and went brushless with the 124017.
Aweomse! Be sure to let us know how it goes! 🍻
@@TheRcKiwis Hope you get $omething from the sale too!
Other sites are suggesting 3S helps so I’m looking forward to your test but ultimately I suspect that if you actually want to use it off road and not just for speed runs, then a gearing change will be required (if mechanically possible).
Hi,
With a 2845 brushless motor (4370kv) and a hobbywing 80A esc, do I get a higher speed than with the stock brushed 550 motor?
Thanks!
I like the 124019 hasnt let me down yet and I just ordered a 7.4 2s 3600 mah 45 c battery
Guys can you swap tyres. . I think the brushed will go hard . And less friction for the brushless with the brushed tyres
I have been waiting on my WLtoys 124017, ordered on release day.
Hopfully it will be there soon!
If you are going to upgrade everything go straight to lc racing or tacon version.. better quality, more gearing options and will be cheaper in long run. Only do wl if not upgrading. I went upgrade route and wish someone gave me this advice
I got the purple one. Good choose. More torque
I bumped a curb at half throttle with the 019 and the wheel broke off along with a couple other components. Not as durable as it seems.
Great comparison, i supposedly have a purple one headed my way...i think i have to wait till november. kinda forgot i even ordered it till i saw this video.
Already have a brushed so with your discount I figured why not have both! Thanks for the update and discount code.👍
No problem! Cheers 🍻
I just decided to cut my grass more and get the brushless version with your code :)
Hahaha awesome! Nice one 🍻
What is the weight difference? What is the difference in runtime?
LATE TO THE GAME. But i must mention, THE 017 IS CRAZY FAST. QC was good out of e box, had to throttle down 50%, just to be able to handle better at a REALLY short shorttrack. Many tumbles, 15 batts later, and all i got was a bent dogbone. 5min bending repair, and its back to e track! Best fun iv had on a 1/12 scale. Love/hate e tyres. Gonna keep them on e dirttrack, as it will just wear down too fast on tarmac. VERY REASONABLE PRICE and great transmitter too. Steering trim and speed expo is all that i need. By e way, range is good. it goes far enough till i cant see it. A good 100m easy. Well worth e price. May even swap e RX over to other cheaper cars for e range that this tx/rx offers. YOUR FIRST HOBBY-GRADE RC BUGGY 🤟🏽🤟🏽🤟🏽
Love your advice n tips👍👍👍
The problem for both of these buggies actually is that while these are at 120 and 140€ respectively, the 144001 is down to 85€ which at that price is just unbeatable, i.e. I don't see how the price can be worth is - just my 2 cents.
I got the purple brushed one including delivery for £75 the equivalent to about €87 I couldn’t be happier it’s tough and pretty quick.
@@joski9030 Where from?
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Where from ?
I've ZD 9021v2 and love it, but just ordered the brushed her of the WLtoys buggy to thrash around with without worries of the cost of any brakages and it's smaller. I'll probably get larger wheels though.
I'm so close to cancelling my order but I'm so darn curious as to how it drives.
Why are the rear shocks a different colour? 124019
9°C aka 48°F here today so the cold is here in New Hampshire.
Almost every sensorless brushless do cogging. It's not an wltoys issue, it's the principle that the esc has to have the motor turning to know in what windings to put the current/frequency. The only way to have non-cogging is to get sensored motor/ESC wich led to way better start and control. But, for the price... And the fact that cogging will only occur when getting of a complete stop...
Waiting for brushless wltoys 144001 hope it can blow up
cool track wish something like that was around me
We are very lucky to have a track just around the corner! 😁
Can you give us an idea of the weight of each of these? Is the brushless one markedly lighter and would that he better in a bash & crash?
Much of a muchness really 😉
I thinking about getting a couple of these for my son and I to race around.
I however in the UK have an easier time getting spares for Tamiya models can you recommend any Tamiya models that are similar to these cars?
I assume you have to order these WlT cars from China?
Hey there! Unfortunatley we are yet to try a tamiya.... But that will change! Yes the WLtoys comes from China 😉🍻
@@TheRcKiwis thanks for the reply. I’m definitely thinking of getting a WLToys car after watching the reviews and seeing what you get at such a good price. I like the purple model better but I understand there is a 1/10 out now. Too many choices lol.
nice content guys, feel solid for both cars. seems the brushed one really promising. can you tell me the wheelbase of both cars ?? ben planing for using another body shell for rally cross.
Keep up the great content guys perfect timing as always 🤙
Cheers Kevin! 🍻
Which one lasts longer guys? Both have 2200mah right? Great video 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Both same batt, both about same run time too 🍻
@@TheRcKiwis Cool thanks 👍🏻
Just found your vids... been trying to choose a RC car for weeks :)
Any "hidden" south island shops I should be looking in?
Hey there! Not that im aware of sorry!
Y’all help me get Makerfire to fulfill my order! 😂😂
Used y’all’s code. Waiting on this brushed guy and it’s more off roady looking brushless brother. Makerfire just needs to get em shipped! 😜
Have they shipping it out yet? If you contact them directly they should be able to provide you with an update on your order 😊🍻
@@TheRcKiwis shipped, thank you though!
Disclaimer: I know virtually nothing about RC cars. I love RC anything, can’t afford to get in to it though. I’m just making an uneducated observation…
Would the lag in the brushless one (if it was put in there on purpose) be like a kind of traction/launch control because of any extra torque it has over the brushed one? I might be overthinking.
Second video of yours that I’ve watched and won’t be the last. Great stuff!
I don think its lagging on purpose.Its a defect!
@@BASSstarlet Oh ok. Seems weird, doesn’t it? That the “better” one of the two has that kind fault.
Will the 017 run 3s battery?
You guys make this look fun! 💯
Great review. Thank you for sharing.
Cool Jackie Chan jump i made a small one in the back yard👍
But the cogging issues can be easily rectified by dropping one or two tooth from the pinion right? And it's still going to be plenty fast for bashing. Like someone who wants it for speed running won't mind the cogging, someone who wants it for street running won't notice it that much and someone who wants to bash will notice it more, but will benefit from a smaller pinion anyway.
I wish it was that easy, but the motor mount is fixed.... so not as easy as just dropping a tooth or two
@@TheRcKiwis oh no!!! There's an ajustable mount for the 124019 right, hopefully that'll work.
Yes you can buy aftermarket ones for them for sure
And good luck getting the pinion off that motor lol.
@@DeRock401 hahaha yes, hopefully it'll be different than with the brushed motor.
When Wltoys 124016 will release?
Very soon! Should be in the next few weeks 😉
Hey guys! Big hugs from HK! I started playing with RC rally cars after watching yours vids, recently got a Tamiya TT-02 Lancia Delta and Subaru Impreza, my two favorite cars in history. Do you have any recommendations for good tracks to play at that you guys went to while in HK?
Congrats on the Channel guys!
Hello! Thats awesome! For off-road you have lali warehouse and then for on road you have TRC - Tom Racing Circuit. There are a few other you can ask some of the members at these two, I've forgotton the name of other ones.. Cheers!
there both very similar, don't see the point paying extra for brushless, even though there both reasonable priced 😀👍👍
You know when you run 3s on them
Did he say just a 6 kmh difference between the two? Then why bother? Sorry I'm new.
Barely waiting for a full comparison between Wltoys 124018 Vs Wltoys 124016
Can ezrun max6 (1650kv) drive in 8s lipo battery?
Not according to their website or manual as far as I remember. 🍻
@@TheRcKiwis thanks
Maybe a better 540 size brushless will stop the cogging 👊🏻👍🏻
I definitely should have ordered the brushed! I do drive through some pretty thick grass. Anyone had luck getting the clogging mitigated?
We havn't yet, but Perth Oz Rc just made a video about how to help reduce the cogging, we shared in on our community page so be sure to check that out! 🍻
Love your videos
Does a HIPPO cogging as well ? what kind of grease do you prefer against cogging ? white lithuim grease ? black grease ? Marine grease ?? Good video !!!
So far so good with both. Need to put my gps on them and see there top speeds. Again there cheep enough to get both. Just do it.
Brushed motor's have the tourq, brushless has the horsepower...in the end its all in what you want from this car...plus the 124017 has some minor upgrades. Just look how they used bolts on the rear bulkhead it holds the rear together better 🤟😆
Great video👍🏼👍🏼😁
Glad you enjoyed🍻
And the purple wins. More power at stand still.
They have the V2 that has zero cogging now.
I’m torn between the 124017 and 19 how bad is the cogging issue… thats the deal breaker for me.
From this week on the 017 has been upgraded with a smaller pinion and more powerful motor. Cogging should be solved but seeing is believing. I've got one on the way. I would love to see the kiwi's do another review for the 017.
This has nothing to do with the video or rc cars but the girl is cute af lol.
Based on the cogging I think I will probably just get another purple one.
It sure is one of our fav cheaper RCs that we own!
Good comparsion! The brushless version for some reason uses the same huge pinion as the brushed version and is definatly way over geared. I use a small 2845 racestar combo in my conversion but with the 17 tooth pinion from a Wltoys A959 and a modified motor mount. Runs beautifully, no cogging and loads of grunt!
Where did you source the pinion and did you modify the stock motor mount or buy an aftermarket mount?
@@neilaldridge9261 I got the pinion from banggood. Its from a wltoys a959. The motor mount has pre drilled holes and cut out for a smaller motor, but you still have to elongate one of the holes. Check out the channel "RC Mod Squad". Thats where I got the info from..
@@michaelcliffe562 thank you, I'll check it out.
Well it depends on the kv of the motor, you can have lower kv and bigger pinion and higher kv with smaller pinion. Usually the latter gives less cogging due to less start torque needed.
I have been saying all along that WLToys is nothing but hype.
I never use on grass....then again grass doesn't exist in Arizona...🤭🤭😁 ... only at the golf course...✌🏼😁
What do he say
Give you guys a like every time because she so damn cute.
Post man joe is funny 😂😂🤣😂😂🤣
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please put 3s batt and make the video..
Please don’t buy Wltoys buggy car. You will waste lots of your time to fix it and get stressed with broken things 🤦🤦🏻♀
very cheap parts. all plastic. not durable at all
if you order this get the metal replacement kit on ebay too. then it will be loads of fun