It should also be noted that, for how big the EU was, how many authors were involved, and how Lucas kinda made a hard right turn with his plans for the Prequels, the EU was remarkably consistent and had very few retcons and overrights. Meanwhile, within the first 5 years of Disney Star Wars, there was a *major* retcon. In the book Tarkin it is shown that *Tarkin* was the master of the Death Star Project. There was no Krennic. In Rogue One they showed that *Krennic* was the master of the entire project. In Catalyst (the tie in novel for Rogue One) they re-retconned it so that Tarkin owned the Death Star but Krennic owned the Laser. Then in Thrawn: Treason it is once again shown that Tarkin has no control over the project at all. 4 pretty major contradictions on the same topic, one right after the other. Insane, really.
@@wyatttyson7737 thanks for your detailed comment! I wasn’t aware of these. I do know that although they promised it would all be connected, immediately they had Rey meet Poe in the force awakens novel, but in the movies they didn’t meet until the end of the last Jedi. And they have the cheek to say eu was inconsistent.
@@CloneCaptainKeeli Well to be fair, there was at least more consistency between ROTS and the 2003 Clone Wars. Like where Grievous got his lungs Force crushed by Mace Windu, which explained his coughing.
@@darthprime1990 I completely disagree, it only explains his cough, it doesn't explain the complete characterization change from 03 clone wars to ROTS. A stronger explanation would be to have essentially the same thing happen, except Windu doesn't crush his chest rather he orders clone snipers to open fire at Grievous, one shot hitting his chest (Cough) and the other his head. As he returns to the invisible hand he is repaired by one of his "Droid doctors" who has to do the best he can with the limited time he has. The repair job is insufficient and therefore explains how weak he is as well as his personality change.
The number 1 defense for the EU having been canon is to consider the amount of effort and work that was put in to make sure everything made sense and connected directly with the movies. If the EU was never canon like the fake fans say there's no way in hell they would've put that much effort into it.
@@nicolasacosta1673 I agree, people claim that the authors did whatever they wanted, they have no idea how it worked, the continuity was pivotal to the whole operation. Thanks for taking the time to comment buddy !
Great video mate, however I believe George himself started the downfall of canon adherence, Filoni just made it much, much worse. Also just want to express how well researched your videos are, you should be proud.
The moment that changed my view of what was canon came as early as '99. I was 8 when I found out Chewbacca, a character I was very fond of, had died. I refused to believe it and when the maker himself, George Lucas said he wasn't happy with the decision, I didn't accept it. From then on, anything I read in comic books or novels did not sit at the same level of continuity as what was on the screen. So, when the Clone Wars changed the story of the Mandalorians I wasn't surprised and when the new movies were announced, I knew that Jacen, Jaina, Anakin, Ben and Mara would be no more.
George was the first to come out of Star Wars, making it a family story, when it was really a journey through despair to enlightenment. George never understood Star Wars this because he didn't built it himself.
@@BrandontheAwesome Yes, it as a team work, and George wasn't mastering most of the work. Which is quite visible in the Prelogy. The force is fucked up, the Jedi becomes politics, Vador a moron that forgot his mother for years, and on an' on...
@@LesMachinesNoires Wrong. George was the master of the what went on. He approved everything that went on. Also, everything you said about the prequels is wrong.
No offense intended here, but I think y'all are too invested in this... At the end of the day it's a story told by a group of thousands of people over decades, of course there will be parts of it you like and parts of it you don't. Parts that are good and parts that aren't. Parts that stay the same and parts that change. I think that's really cool. That Star Wars isn't just being led by a singular person and handed down to the masses from him on high, that George Lucas isn't the final authority on what is considered a true Star War. It's almost like a mythology now. With poets each getting a crack at it, putting their own spin on things. On top of this, each person now has their own interpretations of what they consider part of the mythos. And I think it's not only normal, but cool to share your opinion on what you consider to be good and bad work or what you consider to be canon. But, creating and consuming countless of hours of content like this video, going over the same tired old stuff, is just silly and seems more maliciously destructive rather than constructive. I'm trying to be polite here, but what this video just kind of seems like is just a slightly more mature way to say, "They ruined my childhood" It's not like they're going around burning all the old books, they still exist you can go read them, and it's not like they're sending cease and desist letters to anyone who wants to write Star Wars fan fiction. The only difference now is they're way more careful with what they publish themselves. Which, to be honest, I'm fine with because I think part of the spotlight being on talented artists from within the community is just as important as the artists who make the 'official' stuff. If you want to return to the good old days of Star Wars, I am sorry but they aren't coming back, because unfortunately you are no longer a 10 year old watching these movies for the first time. I suggest going out and finding some good fan stuff if you aren't happy with what Disney is doing. Or, do what I did, find other things to engage with besides Star Wars.
@@bindipig1225 I appreciate you taking the time to comment. To be honest I don’t feel like my childhood has been ruined, George Lucas made my childhood. This video is more of a reaction to those who claim this stuff never counted and that it is in some way inferior to the new stuff which was promised to be cohesive but has failed miserably. I tapped out of Disney Star Wars and am enjoying the pre established lore. I recommend to everyone to do the same as it’s one massive authorised continuation of the story that was a huge success because of the well tended continuity. If you like the new stuff more power to you because I wish I felt the same. But the truth is that there are 30+ years of amazing content, I don’t need any more. I appreciate you stating your opinion without taking a crack at mine, it’s rare 👍
Everything in the EU was approved by Lucas. Common knowledge for decades. So yes. The guy who created and ran the franchise IS the authority on it. At least try to use your brains a little.
@@stigkenobi7525 I am not debating whether he was the authority or not, I am debating whether he deserves to be. This idea that one person is responsible for all the great things in a highly collaborative art form such as film and is the sole person responsible for it being good is frankly rubbish, I would've thought the great man theory died with Ayn Rand and her ilk, but apparently it is making a comeback in the Star Wars fandom... I don't care what George Lucas has to say on what is proper Star Wars or not, I care whether it makes for a good story. If you don't think it's a good story then that is entirely fine, but use reasons as the basis for that argument, not just some tired appeal to authority.
@@bindipig1225George is the heart and soul of Star Wars. It was, and rightfully still is, his baby. His story. His vision. Every decision was run by Lucas. He approved what people did to his films, his lore, everything. Not a THING was done without getting his okay. This has been proven again and again and again. Spoken like someone who doesn't understand Star Wars in the slightest. Oh, we have our reasons, but you chose to ignore them.
Dave Filoni deserves to be held accountable for kickstarting Star Wars's downfall.
I long for the day he gets fired.
It should also be noted that, for how big the EU was, how many authors were involved, and how Lucas kinda made a hard right turn with his plans for the Prequels, the EU was remarkably consistent and had very few retcons and overrights.
Meanwhile, within the first 5 years of Disney Star Wars, there was a *major* retcon. In the book Tarkin it is shown that *Tarkin* was the master of the Death Star Project. There was no Krennic. In Rogue One they showed that *Krennic* was the master of the entire project. In Catalyst (the tie in novel for Rogue One) they re-retconned it so that Tarkin owned the Death Star but Krennic owned the Laser. Then in Thrawn: Treason it is once again shown that Tarkin has no control over the project at all. 4 pretty major contradictions on the same topic, one right after the other. Insane, really.
@@wyatttyson7737 thanks for your detailed comment!
I wasn’t aware of these.
I do know that although they promised it would all be connected, immediately they had Rey meet Poe in the force awakens novel, but in the movies they didn’t meet until the end of the last Jedi. And they have the cheek to say eu was inconsistent.
Failoni started the whole continuity bomb.
Based Dave
@@FriarJoe66destroying continuity since 2008.
I've always argued George started it when he changed Grievous in ROTS from his previous iteration in 03 clone wars.
@@CloneCaptainKeeli Well to be fair, there was at least more consistency between ROTS and the 2003 Clone Wars. Like where Grievous got his lungs Force crushed by Mace Windu, which explained his coughing.
@@darthprime1990 I completely disagree, it only explains his cough, it doesn't explain the complete characterization change from 03 clone wars to ROTS. A stronger explanation would be to have essentially the same thing happen, except Windu doesn't crush his chest rather he orders clone snipers to open fire at Grievous, one shot hitting his chest (Cough) and the other his head. As he returns to the invisible hand he is repaired by one of his "Droid doctors" who has to do the best he can with the limited time he has. The repair job is insufficient and therefore explains how weak he is as well as his personality change.
Actually hearing the authors say this is a cool sight to say the least.
Agreed! This stuff was created as part of the continuity by everyone involved, Filoni didn’t want to play with others.
The number 1 defense for the EU having been canon is to consider the amount of effort and work that was put in to make sure everything made sense and connected directly with the movies. If the EU was never canon like the fake fans say there's no way in hell they would've put that much effort into it.
@@nicolasacosta1673 I agree, people claim that the authors did whatever they wanted, they have no idea how it worked, the continuity was pivotal to the whole operation. Thanks for taking the time to comment buddy !
Great video! GL signed off and even worked closely with the EU. But I guess it’s not canon 😂
@@DarthPawz well they’ve just been Canon Bombed with the truth 😂
EU > Disney wars
@@yungwoodawg based!!!
Great video mate, however I believe George himself started the downfall of canon adherence, Filoni just made it much, much worse.
Also just want to express how well researched your videos are, you should be proud.
Amazing vid!!
@@ironinquisitor3656 cheers buddy, I’ve learned so much from your channel I’m glad to make something useful
Excellent video
@@thedarkmelddepot4368 thanks so much my friend, I just subbed to your channel can’t wait to check out your content 🔥
Great video 👍
@@scott_johnson_ cheers buddy! Glad you liked it, I just subbed!
Amen.
2:57 so idolatry is why Star Wars got destroyed, good to know
The moment that changed my view of what was canon came as early as '99. I was 8 when I found out Chewbacca, a character I was very fond of, had died. I refused to believe it and when the maker himself, George Lucas said he wasn't happy with the decision, I didn't accept it. From then on, anything I read in comic books or novels did not sit at the same level of continuity as what was on the screen. So, when the Clone Wars changed the story of the Mandalorians I wasn't surprised and when the new movies were announced, I knew that Jacen, Jaina, Anakin, Ben and Mara would be no more.
@@jordanaftermath George is the one who approved chewbaccas death , he was involved in the NJO series.
George was the first to come out of Star Wars, making it a family story, when it was really a journey through despair to enlightenment. George never understood Star Wars this because he didn't built it himself.
Uh, what?
@@BrandontheAwesome Yes, it as a team work, and George wasn't mastering most of the work. Which is quite visible in the Prelogy. The force is fucked up, the Jedi becomes politics, Vador a moron that forgot his mother for years, and on an' on...
@@LesMachinesNoires Wrong.
George was the master of the what went on. He approved everything that went on.
Also, everything you said about the prequels is wrong.
@@BrandontheAwesome Oh you never heard about the ESB production?
@@LesMachinesNoires I heard that George is the one who ordered the movie to be re-edited, even doing a good portion of the editing himself.
No offense intended here, but I think y'all are too invested in this... At the end of the day it's a story told by a group of thousands of people over decades, of course there will be parts of it you like and parts of it you don't. Parts that are good and parts that aren't. Parts that stay the same and parts that change. I think that's really cool. That Star Wars isn't just being led by a singular person and handed down to the masses from him on high, that George Lucas isn't the final authority on what is considered a true Star War. It's almost like a mythology now. With poets each getting a crack at it, putting their own spin on things. On top of this, each person now has their own interpretations of what they consider part of the mythos. And I think it's not only normal, but cool to share your opinion on what you consider to be good and bad work or what you consider to be canon.
But, creating and consuming countless of hours of content like this video, going over the same tired old stuff, is just silly and seems more maliciously destructive rather than constructive.
I'm trying to be polite here, but what this video just kind of seems like is just a slightly more mature way to say, "They ruined my childhood"
It's not like they're going around burning all the old books, they still exist you can go read them, and it's not like they're sending cease and desist letters to anyone who wants to write Star Wars fan fiction. The only difference now is they're way more careful with what they publish themselves. Which, to be honest, I'm fine with because I think part of the spotlight being on talented artists from within the community is just as important as the artists who make the 'official' stuff.
If you want to return to the good old days of Star Wars, I am sorry but they aren't coming back, because unfortunately you are no longer a 10 year old watching these movies for the first time.
I suggest going out and finding some good fan stuff if you aren't happy with what Disney is doing. Or, do what I did, find other things to engage with besides Star Wars.
@@bindipig1225 I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
To be honest I don’t feel like my childhood has been ruined, George Lucas made my childhood.
This video is more of a reaction to those who claim this stuff never counted and that it is in some way inferior to the new stuff which was promised to be cohesive but has failed miserably.
I tapped out of Disney Star Wars and am enjoying the pre established lore. I recommend to everyone to do the same as it’s one massive authorised continuation of the story that was a huge success because of the well tended continuity.
If you like the new stuff more power to you because I wish I felt the same. But the truth is that there are 30+ years of amazing content, I don’t need any more.
I appreciate you stating your opinion without taking a crack at mine, it’s rare 👍
Everything in the EU was approved by Lucas. Common knowledge for decades. So yes. The guy who created and ran the franchise IS the authority on it. At least try to use your brains a little.
@@stigkenobi7525
I am not debating whether he was the authority or not, I am debating whether he deserves to be.
This idea that one person is responsible for all the great things in a highly collaborative art form such as film and is the sole person responsible for it being good is frankly rubbish, I would've thought the great man theory died with Ayn Rand and her ilk, but apparently it is making a comeback in the Star Wars fandom...
I don't care what George Lucas has to say on what is proper Star Wars or not, I care whether it makes for a good story.
If you don't think it's a good story then that is entirely fine, but use reasons as the basis for that argument, not just some tired appeal to authority.
@@bindipig1225George is the heart and soul of Star Wars. It was, and rightfully still is, his baby. His story. His vision.
Every decision was run by Lucas. He approved what people did to his films, his lore, everything. Not a THING was done without getting his okay. This has been proven again and again and again.
Spoken like someone who doesn't understand Star Wars in the slightest.
Oh, we have our reasons, but you chose to ignore them.