HOW TO DIY A $4K SPEAKER CABLE !!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ม.ค. 2023
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I love Audio Autopsy. Great series.
PT Barnum is looking at this cable and shaking his head. Thanks for showing me this, the thinness of the cable inside is eye opening.😮
I made similar speaker cables but used steel shot as a damper and big fat vacuum hoses. They are heavy snakes I tell you. Fun project!
Great stuff, thank you.
Cool! Thanks for showing! Appreciate you helping educate us. Would like to see how to do foils!
You got some Grande huevos! Revealing like the masked musician! Thanks!
More to come!
Love it! People into hifi need to watch eye-opening videos like this.
Nice eye -opening video! 👀 Thanks
Glad you liked it!
Early Sablon Audio cables were using Oyaide 102ssc hook up wire 16awg (available in japanese market only). Transparent Audio orders raw cables from one factory in US, where 1m of Reference XL digital costs around 30usd (MOQ 1000ft). Entreq from Sweden in "Challenger" power cord used 5x1.5mm2 control cable from SAB and Muckethaupt&Nusselt manufacturers. There are tons of examples like this.
I have yet to make a jig to encase my silver/PTFE conductors in so that they align centrally over say a 2m/6ft pipe/mould casing. Thanks for vid.
The unique selling point is, when you listen through this cable, you can actually hear the sandy beach and the sea
😁
Audioquest used 8 conductors in the Well speaker cable. Sold for 18,000. I don't know if there different gauges like there new sota Dragons which have 2 silvers per pos and 4 silvers per neg side. Not that I can afford such items but I'd image folks who can haven't any complaints!
Nice break down! I want to know how you make those awesome flat power cables you make!
Coming soon!
@@OCDHIFiGuy oh I’m in my man! I’ve made 4 different types of speaker cables and a couple types of power chords but I know there’s some secrets to unlock in the power chord segment especially.
@@barkatthemoonlunatic1715 your ears or your system suck or both if that’s what you think lol
@@barkatthemoonlunatic1715 typical response from a guy with broken ears lol hahahha
@@barkatthemoonlunatic1715 get off audiophile threads and go plug in your Amazon cable, no one cares
Im running 10g ofc. Just quality beginner stuff. Great to see the guts off stuff!
Mikey,
Thanks for the cable lesson. Would love to see you compare some Speaker cables or I/Cs from GR Research, Kimber, Sain and Downsize Audio to get your take.
Send whatever you like. I won't take anything from manufacturers. Only end users.
Hi there,
thanx for the eye opener!! one question: what is the benefit of using sand?
thanks in advance
I use LAN cables, can be configured from single pair to multiple braided. If it works at gigabit ranges , it should work in kHz ranges too
you can use the case for a snare drum.
All that and no kiss or lube! The vinyl wrap doesn't reach around for the Sonic Happy Ending! Wow!
Lol
I don’t like sand used in my cables. Makes the sound too grainy 😏😉
Love know how you got that price I brought this very cable years ago and it cost with shipping to the UK £850 pounds for two 2meter length or £212.50 per meter
So the sand is to stop vibration along cable ?great break down👌
That is correct. Also to make it heavier and give higher perceived value.
so built in fairy dust (wink)
Great autopsy vid, Mikey!
Thanks D !
WOW
The sand makes it sound gritty.
Hardy har har... ;-)
Hey, if you can DIY and have it sound the same or better, more power to you.
You can also say this about anything - builders, electricians, plumbers and roofers also do things you can DIY.
SpaceX rockets have very similar cables connected to the launch pad.
Buy Kimber cable if you are going to splash out.
Interesting, 18 guage a bit on the cheap, but easier to work with side. I made my own kick ass power cord to higher standards than that! It is tedious to do though.
Brass connectors 30% conductive, that's where the loss occurs. Thus f the connectors, extend the board wire with a short silver wire out then solder connect speaker wires. It'll match or beat whatever exotic speaker wires in thousands. IACS conductivity standard rules.
I’m not sure that a solder connection is always better than connectors. Of course one needs to avoid brass connectors but there are plenty of choices for connectors made of high quality pure copper or silver, with different plating options. Directly solder the cables is also way too impractical. I did it for the external crossovers not to buy 16 expensive binding posts, but I can tell you that simply movin around the speakers is too complicated
Silver 6% solder cheap homedepot at least it'll contain silver. Exotic connectors cost hundreds when added up. Tellurium copper connectors is only viable, rest are faked thin plating. Where's the real silver connectors I have yet to see one that doesn't cost hundred each.
@@wric01 I use ramm audio spades for speaker cables that are pure copper rhodium plated and are not crazy expensive. Anyway if we are talking about speaker cables there aren’t too many to buy unless you have external crossovers like me. For me it is worth it for the practical reasons to have connectors instead of soldered cables, but the amount of binding posts that I’d have to buy prevents me from doing it (quality binding posts are way more expensive than connectors and I need too many of them)
@@wric01 maybe a better way to avoid connectors are unipolar terminals to clamp together the cables. Avoids the solder/conductor interfaces and its more easily detachable if needed
Materials and money for the guy hired to do it, still makes it come to around 1000 USD to make this nowadays. Plus you then need a machine that can do many of these things so it all ends up looking the same and saving a lot of time. And that machine would probably cost at least 100k USD. Then there is the building/rent/business expenses plus a full staff doing the rest. So no I don´t think that it is expensive.
I agree with Mickey, that is also what I would do. Plus solidcore that thick usually won´t sound that good, many times it has blind spots in the sound, meaning that you need a lot of smaller ones coming together to give a more 3d type of sound, instead of a locked cool HiFi mode of sound. I would make it 0.2mm times 50-100 per plus and minus, that would make it a lot more natural and complete in imagining. I am really surprised that they did not turn the silver tubes clockwise. When you do that, it usually makes the sound jump and lack focus, together with leaking energy, so you really need a gigantic mass of metal to keep the signal going, without noticing the loss of energy.
What’s scrap silver going for these days? 😮
A lot more than before...
Florescent lighting, cigarette smoke, a McMaster Carr and Grainger catalog is all you need for smoke and mirror Hi-fi. The tote is so cheesy.
Makes it worth at least another $200
what's your take on Inakustik German cables?
I would never consider the brand based on the complete piece of Canadian shit that imports them. This is how much I don't trust the guy and I know him well.
@@OCDHIFiGuy wow it says it (world wide wholesale) is his 16th company---and he doesnt even say who he is. That is telling. I hope it has nothing to do with the audiosensibility guy which I have ordered from before, and may soon again.
@@OCDHIFiGuy Canada is a shyty country corrupted as hell (not that US is not corrupted, job market is corrupted big time, everything is owned by Kumars from India there but much less than Canada. Canada is completely corrupted, pardon except Alberta. as a side note, very soon almost everything made in america will be true, except it will be made in America by Kumars 2nd 3rd etc generation).
But seriously, Hitler was an excellent painter. Does it mean that I should not buy Hitler's paintings? No it does not mean. As soon as I find one I'll buy and hopefully get rich;)
I have a feeling that guy robbed you of some serious money? Happened to me many, many times in Shitada. Last invoices, usually ~$3000, almost never paid. you can go after them but you have to pay the retainer to lawyer $3000. that's how shitada operates. never ever do business in shitada.
@Pete Kutheis no. He's never ripped me off. I've cleaned up his mess more than once however. I have 4 seperate clients he's ripped off. I told them how to get concession, but yes, he pays people back when threatened legally, ALL BUT $3000 like you said, he knows nobody will come after him for 3K... yet... He's very dishonest and tried to get some brands away from me, he was successful with Rockna which I was not willing to fight for and the other guys told him to piss off.... Robert is the guys name... would not wish him upon my worst enemy.
@@OCDHIFiGuy What's his method? Is he ballooning prices? Quite common in shitada. Furniture stores all over the place but in essence mafia laundering money, If it's a real store, then it is usually 3:1 if it is import from Italy. I once wrote about timeshare fin model. Presentation starts at $16k and reaching $30k not uncommon (prices from early 90s, now it is probably much higher). and you only need to pay the Brain of the operation in Britain $4k for each sale. I always had a feeling hifi is in the same boat. I have a feeling that Robert found a golden egg in a timeshare-like operation. I am speculating that he gets exclusives from brands eager to sell/sell/sell. exclusive = monopolist. then screwing under big time. basically, he sells in timeshare-like fashion and doesn't move his fat arse from his mansion.
Bogdan tungsten interconnect sound rather special.
Great
nice shirt
You remember ??
@@OCDHIFiGuy Ofcourse.. like you, I have a few bikes myself. My greatest love.
Bogdan Petrescu - according to 6Moons - makes speakers and tube amps in a small town in Ohio. The description of the review units was 'ultra high end' and everything appears to be made to order. Bogdan Audio no longer sells cables but we can assume that he sees his products in the Nordost stratosphere vs Mogami. Mikey is restating a lot of what Danny Ritchie said a couple years back - I guess it comes down to whether a dealer will let you try their cables in your own rig. Danny's power cable, fwiw, was deemed unusable by ASR but that's a can of worms for another day.
I dont think thats the guy.... This guys name was Ben....
Yep Mikey’s correct. Bogdan Petrescu is a different guy for sure as I own a stereo amp he built for the development of one of his speakers. The amp sounds amazing also.
@@bvaccaro2959 My mistake - no sleight intended. It may be a common name in Eastern Europe - even so, if I was going to sell a cable for that sort of money I'd be looking for something unique on the jacket.
didn't bogdan use tungsten in their cables?
Have no idea, but that sounds like a really shitty idea..
Look out for the bogdan audio eximus cables. Please contact me!
What wire guage is in it? Looks too thin for speakers. I imagined they also have shielding that's why they're fat and expensive.
18 AWG, no shield.
A short run to a 100dB , 8 ohm speaker would work mostly fine in 18 gauge . But the longer the cable , the lower the speaker sensitivity , the larger the wire must be . Bass frequencies and dynamic impact suffer most from small gauge wire . Solo vocals on a pair of Klipschorns would be good .
These Bare (No wire terminations Available) all individually Custom Hand made "Silver" Audiophile cables appeared sometime around 2003 & priced at an affordable $45/Meter.....Customers claimed these affordable "Giant Killer" speaker Cables sounded as Good or Better than > $500/Meter competitor Cables !!
Interesting
That whole thing is cheesy IMHO. The silver is nice but its a tiny AWG. Is the sand supposed to give it some benefit?
Man that construction is rank.
But hey the audiophile is a gullible breed and this proves it.
Do the same with kimber or similar quality for comparison.
Kimberly is FAR more established and the build is actually visible I think..
I’ve seen where Bogdan also made cables which were 99.99% pure tungsten (not silver). Maybe this one is tungsten (silver-grey color)?
Horrible idea... highly resistive. That's what's in a light bulb.
18awg is a tad too little of a gauge.
Agreed
I guess Its the same with all Hi Fi equipment, a good demonstrable example being that of solid state Amplifiers, most parts that go into an amplifier are relatively inexpensive but what you are paying for is the thought in someone's head i.e. the design, build or manufacture (I differentiate hand made as build), marketing, packaging and shipping. Although the principles are simple, most people cannot design an amplifier, so you pay for the privilege of someone putting those mostly inexpensive components safely and coherently in a box of vastly varying quality, in order to make it more than the sum of its parts. Very often that cost is exponentially more than the cost of the materials....often that small word "marketing" hides all the genius and the evil....and so it goes.... our hobby/ way of life is a never ending journey of pain, inter-spaced with precious fleeting moments of insight and ecstasy.
This is what happens with every product made.... across the board. Look at Soda pop at $1.59 per 16oz bottle. Though some profit margins are far higher than others. Compare Jeff Rowland SS to Boulder and you'll see what I mean.
@@OCDHIFiGuy Look at the build quality inside a Boulder compared to a Jeff Rowland SS and you'll see where the extra money goes, especially when you realize that and all milling of enclosures is done in-house at Boulder by employees who are well paid, get health insurance, etc.
Is that important to you? Only you can decide, but look at photos of the inside of a Rowland amp to the inside of even the most inexpensive Boulder amp and determine whether that's something important to you; some may even prefer Rowland's designs to Boulder's modular approach.
I bought a 50 feet spool of Monsters Cables Speakers Wires for 40 bucks that sound really amazing both in my 2 channel _Reference Rig_ (Elac and Sony. Denon CD) and in my car (Alpine Cassette deck and Pioneer speakers).
You should hear these wires: really thick bass and squeaky highs
Sounds like shitty mids to me ... ;-)
@@OCDHIFiGuy It sounds like Sarah McLaughlin is yelling at me
You may have just found me a business.
You would not be the first.... lol...
" its like hold a .............something or another "
Lol. Caught that, huh ? 😆
High end ? Just zilver wire in a nice Beckham cleaner hose welll all of us can make that 😂
Im realy happy with my diy gr research/ kimber cabel fild with 100% cotton rope
12tc strand occ ofc copper
There you go!
where's the comparison to new cables? lol
It hasn't changed
Balanced fat...the cornerstone of any nutritious hifi experience.
Lol.
Snake oil at its finest!
I’m 50 so stuff 20 years old doesn’t seem old to me.
I'm 71 and you know you're old when the stereo equipment you bought new is now considered vintage!
LOL, or when your sac reaches "That" length...
@@OCDHIFiGuy I won't say why.....but I know what length that is.
I wonder where the bag was made? I’m such a dick bag 😂
Am I the only one thinking this cable was full of stranded wires. If I bought this and saw what's inside, someone would be on their way out.
Stranded can be OK sometimes
18awg is not useful for speaker cable's. Very limited current
I totally agree
I use to have the MIT Shogun speaker cables that were the size of a garden hose and they were very stiff, also had big blocks at one end
Impedance matching circuits..
@@OCDHIFiGuy
Thanks, did they work?
@@Jack96993 MIT is not my thing... nor Transparent...
Wow, this is bad. Could've at least separated the wire to reduce EMI. I'm feeling better and better about my cable design every day.
Amazing, How we been getting ripped off in this hobby!!
To each his own.... for some , its worth it ..
Literally everything sold is a joining of several cheap materials to make something more expensive with profit. This is just one of those things that people will pay for.
Wow, what a scammer. And to say it is an 18ga silver cable itself is still merely an assumption. Could be solder wire who knows.
That's all it is? Fine silver wire is like 5 bucks a foot, some PTFE tubing, a sleeved vinyl tube, a bit of sand and some heat shrink and hardware and you've got a 4 thousand dollar wire? Sure there's overhead when a company makes it but I could easily build this cable myself and I'm free slave labor like a mini-China.
Oh and I think the silver wire is pretty soft so I can see why it's protected by a harder tube and sand to keep it from kinking. It comes in different hardness/temper... soft or extra soft is supposed to sound the best.
There you go..
Wow. 🤦♂️