I've lost a lot of respect for some of the big names in the auto care industry who have done exactly what you're referring to. And you'd be surprised, or probably not, the amount of people who need to seek medical attention to have the hook removed embedded deep in their gullet from believing the BS....
Excellent video! I have narrowed my products to where if and when the newest, latest and greatest comes out, I wait what most forums say about that. In the meantime, I will stick with my Polish Angel Spray wax (I am using High Gloss currently), Polish Angel Sealant and then a few Paste waxes. I have moved away from ceramic coats. Ease of maintenance and the fact that I love to wax my ride is the reason why I go wax. I don't care about the word "ceramic" from 1st hand experience! KEEP ON ROCKING!
The problem I have found with spray coatings, particularly Gyeon Cancoat, is overspray. You have to be extremely careful when applying it especially when outside. My local pro detailer actually advises not to use the spray nozzle and apply it with a pipette/suede cloth like you would a normal coating. I now use Polishangel Cosmic Spritz instead.....which is fantastic !!
There's no one telling customers how hazardous these ingredients are. A friend used can coat & was shocked to see specks of spray hardened on the lenses of his glasses afterwards. When you look up the MSDS, many are able to cause serious lung issues without use of a respirator.
It basically breaks down to the percentage of iso in the product Coatings that produce 60% 75% 90% SIO2. In their more pure form which will require a more complex approach to apply the product. Not excluding gloves mask and even certification. So the companies are not really lying to you they are giving you a more user-friendly consumer-based sio2 ceramic product work with that is both safe to use and available for the General Public. The downside if there is one will be a shorter duration of coating.
Turtle wax seal and shine is a good product and I use it because of the value, it looks very well and last a long time... I am also looking for a upgrade (if there is one) so I can offer my customer another more expensive choice before going to a top level graphine coating thanks for the informative video..
Relatively permanent/long term solution vs temporary solution- neither is right or wrong just different options. Protection is better than no protection
I have used a couple of the leading spray coatings and while I believe they are better than traditional wax, they did not last as long as I had hoped. Looking to switch to a true ceramic coating but need advice on what I should use to strip the old Sio2 spray sealant?
If you don't have a garage and another vehicle to drive, then don't get the ceramic you have to use with an applicator. Honestly unless you're doing a show car, the end results are very minimal. Not to mention the cost on the material to remove Fallout.
What's the actual difference from a formulation standpoint? Do the spray products just have a bunch of water and the amount of actual product, post carrier evaporation, is much much less once on paint than an actual coating? And is what's being left behind generally the same between spray and real coating? Thanks!
I'm not a chemist, nor do I get myself caught up in "what it's made of". Instead, we evaluate what works, how well it works, and what doesn't work. You are definitely not getting the same kind / concentration of product in a spray that you are the traditional coating. We look at the spray product (coating maintenance) as a "coating-light". I hope this helps.
i dont particularly like turtlewax, but holy shit was the ceramic spray glossy and SUPER slippery, i put a piece of paper on top of my roof (because i was doing something else) and it slid down the roof, down the windshield and all the way down the hood onto the floor
This aint helping much, most of us know this already and this is the explenation we get everytime from detailers on the tube. The truth is these days nobody really knows whats what anymore? Its really hard to catagorize all the protection products. Like you had you traditional carnauba paste wax in the catagorie Wax, Paint sealants (Polymer) and that where you sealants. Ceramic coating and that was your coating. Now you have liquid waxes, hybrid liquid waxes, hybrid paste waxes with who knows what its really in there. even worse with sealants, you have solvent and water based, Acrillyc, SiO2, graphene, titanium, you have your spray on sealents. you even have detailer sprays containing ceramics, SiO2, carnauba oil etc etc etc. Can somebody please define the current paint protection catagories and what the criteria's are per catagory? would be very much appreciated :)
CMIIW, from the way i see it, it still 3 basic categories.. traditional (carnauba) wax (whether it's liquid, paste), synthetic sealant (basically with or without ceramic, SIO2, hybrid label), and The (ceramic) Coating. Whatever label attached to them, the durability cant be that far.. wax lasts weeks, top are months.. sealant lasts months (usually 6 are top), then ceramic coating should last years (minimum one year for customer grade, and some claim seven for more pro grade version). As for graphene (carbon) it's a completly differrent technology from SiO2. From the review I've seen so far, it still gonna take couples years before graphene can surpass ceramic coating performance.
Well, 3 Catagories is still the case, however subcategories have to be added below these 3 main categories of protection. Well its more like 5 categories since we have PPF and sprayable coatings which are applied like a clear coat is and is even scratch-proof and can be peeled of when damaged. So 5 Catagories, with many subcategories is how i define paint protection these days.
I’m an old school weekend warrior detailer, refreshing my skills for my upcoming Tesla delivery. What are your thoughts on stripping the coatings, and applying turtle wax hybrid ceramic spray? It seems to be working well 1 year after application on my current “meh” car and application. The 1ish year and ease of application seems to work well for me! I just don’t see much benefit from an advanced ceramic coating. I live in Salt Lake City. Thoughts?
Are you saying that the car already has a traditional ceramic coating on it? If so, how old? Spray products aren't going to provide the same level of durability, long-term good looks, or ease of maintenance as a traditional coating.
I think if I see another review on “Ceramic” Coatings I’ll implode🤷🏼♂️ There’s a guy on TH-cam in Canada who seems to like reviewing a best new product every week! Great Channel Todd, cheers from Australia👍
It didn’t take me long to realize that Canadian is just pushing products, no matter how much excitement he has to feign. He may have a few decades of experience as a professional detailer, but that doesn’t mean he’s not full of 💩 and can’t be trusted. There’s another guy on TH-cam, out in the UK, doing legit head-to-head testing and quantitative analysis who is a *much* more reliable source of expertise. Now I don’t trust any “expert” if they don’t have quantitative data to back up their claims/recommendations.
@@user-sx4yu3nw4j The Canadian is not even a detailer. The fact that he has washed his dad's car for 20 years, and can afford all the latest product does not qualify him as one. He reads the label on the bottle and calls it a review. He never follows up on the product reviewed because he has no customers. It's a shame that someone fake like that has more followers than few other good detailers on youtube.
Thanks for sharing. From your videos, you said none of ceramic coating or wax (with ceramic name) is scratch resistance. But I want to know which one better in terms of handling scratch, ceramic coat or wax (with ceramic), and how big is the difference?
@@FourJaysFour Because you can do spot-corrections without any issues. Coatings have a darkening effect, so if you just do a small spot correction, it will be lighter in that area. So given that, you need to re-polish and re-coat an entire panel when you need to fix something.
I have applied autoglym's ultra high definition wax on my vw golf before wintertime and I noticed that in some parts the wax lost its hydrophobic properties. I want to apply now gyeon wet coat on the car just simply to protect it for the remaining wintertime and then apply a new layer of wax. Should I remove the remaining layer of wax with gyeon prep before I apply gyeon wet coat or is it fine just to spray it on top of the wax?
The beauty of Wetcoat is that it's so simple and easy. I wouldn't bother stripping off the wax in your instance...just apply the Wetcoat right over top of it to get you through the rest of the winter.
Questions on Ceramic coating - will a coating last longer if I wash regularly and keep my car in the garage throughout day and night unless I am using it. If I was to do this - would I likely to exceed coating companies lifespan estimates? ie: 5 years - but I my case will last longer?
I believe wash it PROPERLY instead of REGULARLY is the key that makes the difference.. some pro detailer here even apply, what they call "top coat" every 3 to 6 months for extra sacrificial layer to make sure the base coating last longer.
What would you recommend for a boat if it’s going to stay in the water, is there any difference between the marine and automotive coating or are they basically the same thing and just say marine for a marketing value?
Have you done any testing/research on graphene coatings? I've heard they're supposed to be superior to ceramic coatings so just curious if you and/or Kamikaze have looked into it. Thank you!
What do you want to know? We have 500 other videos to choose from. If you're going to attempt to slam somebody's videos or products, it lacks credibility without specifics. If you want to discuss thoughts, ideas, and processes in a professional manner, then let us know. If you simply want to be hateful, then you're looking for another channel.
I've lost a lot of respect for some of the big names in the auto care industry who have done exactly what you're referring to. And you'd be surprised, or probably not, the amount of people who need to seek medical attention to have the hook removed embedded deep in their gullet from believing the BS....
Excellent video! I have narrowed my products to where if and when the newest, latest and greatest comes out, I wait what most forums say about that. In the meantime, I will stick with my Polish Angel Spray wax (I am using High Gloss currently), Polish Angel Sealant and then a few Paste waxes. I have moved away from ceramic coats. Ease of maintenance and the fact that I love to wax my ride is the reason why I go wax. I don't care about the word "ceramic" from 1st hand experience! KEEP ON ROCKING!
The problem I have found with spray coatings, particularly Gyeon Cancoat, is overspray. You have to be extremely careful when applying it especially when outside. My local pro detailer actually advises not to use the spray nozzle and apply it with a pipette/suede cloth like you would a normal coating. I now use Polishangel Cosmic Spritz instead.....which is fantastic !!
There's no one telling customers how hazardous these ingredients are. A friend used can coat & was shocked to see specks of spray hardened on the lenses of his glasses afterwards. When you look up the MSDS, many are able to cause serious lung issues without use of a respirator.
It basically breaks down to the percentage of iso in the product Coatings that produce 60% 75% 90% SIO2. In their more pure form which will require a more complex approach to apply the product. Not excluding gloves mask and even certification. So the companies are not really lying to you they are giving you a more user-friendly consumer-based sio2 ceramic product work with that is both safe to use and available for the General Public. The downside if there is one will be a shorter duration of coating.
Perfect answer to the question. Spray stuff tends to be more for regular user or for an enthusiast :P
Turtle wax seal and shine is a good product and I use it because of the value, it looks very well and last a long time... I am also looking for a upgrade (if there is one) so I can offer my customer another more expensive choice before going to a top level graphine coating thanks for the informative video..
Relatively permanent/long term solution vs temporary solution- neither is right or wrong just different options. Protection is better than no protection
Is it the same kind of protection though? Longer lasting, sure, but the hardness of the coating between spray and normal application?
I have used a couple of the leading spray coatings and while I believe they are better than traditional wax, they did not last as long as I had hoped. Looking to switch to a true ceramic coating but need advice on what I should use to strip the old Sio2 spray sealant?
If you don't have a garage and another vehicle to drive, then don't get the ceramic you have to use with an applicator. Honestly unless you're doing a show car, the end results are very minimal. Not to mention the cost on the material to remove Fallout.
If i apply Sio2 spray sealant on whole car how many microfibre cloths do I need to use including buffing cloths?
I guess it depends on the product you're using. For the most part, you should be good with just 2 towels for the entire car.
What's the actual difference from a formulation standpoint? Do the spray products just have a bunch of water and the amount of actual product, post carrier evaporation, is much much less once on paint than an actual coating? And is what's being left behind generally the same between spray and real coating? Thanks!
I'm not a chemist, nor do I get myself caught up in "what it's made of". Instead, we evaluate what works, how well it works, and what doesn't work. You are definitely not getting the same kind / concentration of product in a spray that you are the traditional coating. We look at the spray product (coating maintenance) as a "coating-light". I hope this helps.
Im always want to go with ceramic coatings. But with spray coating, i could keepin my eyes on the paintwork more often
I used a lot of spray sealants being a noob and went with cquartz no regrets
What rating would you give turtle line up of ceramic sprays?
They are awesome
i dont particularly like turtlewax, but holy shit was the ceramic spray glossy and SUPER slippery, i put a piece of paper on top of my roof (because i was doing something else) and it slid down the roof, down the windshield and all the way down the hood onto the floor
This aint helping much, most of us know this already and this is the explenation we get everytime from detailers on the tube. The truth is these days nobody really knows whats what anymore?
Its really hard to catagorize all the protection products. Like you had you traditional carnauba paste wax in the catagorie Wax, Paint sealants (Polymer) and that where you sealants. Ceramic coating and that was your coating. Now you have liquid waxes, hybrid liquid waxes, hybrid paste waxes with who knows what its really in there. even worse with sealants, you have solvent and water based, Acrillyc, SiO2, graphene, titanium, you have your spray on sealents. you even have detailer sprays containing ceramics, SiO2, carnauba oil etc etc etc. Can somebody please define the current paint protection catagories and what the criteria's are per catagory? would be very much appreciated :)
CMIIW, from the way i see it, it still 3 basic categories.. traditional (carnauba) wax (whether it's liquid, paste), synthetic sealant (basically with or without ceramic, SIO2, hybrid label), and The (ceramic) Coating. Whatever label attached to them, the durability cant be that far.. wax lasts weeks, top are months.. sealant lasts months (usually 6 are top), then ceramic coating should last years (minimum one year for customer grade, and some claim seven for more pro grade version). As for graphene (carbon) it's a completly differrent technology from SiO2. From the review I've seen so far, it still gonna take couples years before graphene can surpass ceramic coating performance.
Well, 3 Catagories is still the case, however subcategories have to be added below these 3 main categories of protection. Well its more like 5 categories since we have PPF and sprayable coatings which are applied like a clear coat is and is even scratch-proof and can be peeled of when damaged. So 5 Catagories, with many subcategories is how i define paint protection these days.
I’m an old school weekend warrior detailer, refreshing my skills for my upcoming Tesla delivery.
What are your thoughts on stripping the coatings, and applying turtle wax hybrid ceramic spray? It seems to be working well 1 year after application on my current “meh” car and application. The 1ish year and ease of application seems to work well for me!
I just don’t see much benefit from an advanced ceramic coating. I live in Salt Lake City. Thoughts?
Are you saying that the car already has a traditional ceramic coating on it? If so, how old? Spray products aren't going to provide the same level of durability, long-term good looks, or ease of maintenance as a traditional coating.
I think if I see another review on “Ceramic” Coatings I’ll implode🤷🏼♂️ There’s a guy on TH-cam in Canada who seems to like reviewing a best new product every week! Great Channel Todd, cheers from Australia👍
It didn’t take me long to realize that Canadian is just pushing products, no matter how much excitement he has to feign. He may have a few decades of experience as a professional detailer, but that doesn’t mean he’s not full of 💩 and can’t be trusted. There’s another guy on TH-cam, out in the UK, doing legit head-to-head testing and quantitative analysis who is a *much* more reliable source of expertise. Now I don’t trust any “expert” if they don’t have quantitative data to back up their claims/recommendations.
@@user-sx4yu3nw4j The Canadian is not even a detailer. The fact that he has washed his dad's car for 20 years, and can afford all the latest product does not qualify him as one. He reads the label on the bottle and calls it a review. He never follows up on the product reviewed because he has no customers. It's a shame that someone fake like that has more followers than few other good detailers on youtube.
scam the advertiser. shill 101
@@ludak83Is it PanTheOrganizer?
@@Undertaker93who else
Thanks for sharing. From your videos, you said none of ceramic coating or wax (with ceramic name) is scratch resistance. But I want to know which one better in terms of handling scratch, ceramic coat or wax (with ceramic), and how big is the difference?
Coatings will provide a higher level of protection, but scratches or marring on a waxed vehicle are easier to correct...
@@Esotericdetail interesting. Can you explain why?
@@FourJaysFour On which part?
@@Esotericdetail why scratches or marring is easier to correct on waxed vehicles
@@FourJaysFour Because you can do spot-corrections without any issues. Coatings have a darkening effect, so if you just do a small spot correction, it will be lighter in that area. So given that, you need to re-polish and re-coat an entire panel when you need to fix something.
What about Dimond coating? Is it really better than ceramic?
Never heard of it...sounds like a "dealer installed" kind of product.
I have applied autoglym's ultra high definition wax on my vw golf before wintertime and I noticed that in some parts the wax lost its hydrophobic properties. I want to apply now gyeon wet coat on the car just simply to protect it for the remaining wintertime and then apply a new layer of wax. Should I remove the remaining layer of wax with gyeon prep before I apply gyeon wet coat or is it fine just to spray it on top of the wax?
The beauty of Wetcoat is that it's so simple and easy. I wouldn't bother stripping off the wax in your instance...just apply the Wetcoat right over top of it to get you through the rest of the winter.
Questions on Ceramic coating - will a coating last longer if I wash regularly and keep my car in the garage throughout day and night unless I am using it. If I was to do this - would I likely to exceed coating companies lifespan estimates? ie: 5 years - but I my case will last longer?
I believe wash it PROPERLY instead of REGULARLY is the key that makes the difference.. some pro detailer here even apply, what they call "top coat" every 3 to 6 months for extra sacrificial layer to make sure the base coating last longer.
What would you recommend for a boat if it’s going to stay in the water, is there any difference between the marine and automotive coating or are they basically the same thing and just say marine for a marketing value?
Whenever we've done boats, we've always used marine-specific coatings from Gyeon.
Have you done any testing/research on graphene coatings? I've heard they're supposed to be superior to ceramic coatings so just curious if you and/or Kamikaze have looked into it. Thank you!
I'm sure the technology will come along. The little bit I've tested so far was meh.
1:11 ADAM'S :DDD
they are not big in EU anyway...probably for reason...
Scott HD begs to differ
Not sure who that is, but people are allowed to differ in opinion.
Totally unhelpful video. I really didn't learn anything
What do you want to know? We have 500 other videos to choose from. If you're going to attempt to slam somebody's videos or products, it lacks credibility without specifics. If you want to discuss thoughts, ideas, and processes in a professional manner, then let us know. If you simply want to be hateful, then you're looking for another channel.
this was not very informative. Time to look for a better video that explains the difference
What more information do you feel you need?
I think you are splitting hairs