Garmin ECG Expands to Fenix, Epix, and More!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Garmin has just rolled out ECG access to their Garmin Epix Pro, Fenix 7 Pro, Venu 3/3S, and Tactix 7 AMOLED series. Here's a look at how it works, from start to finish.
Garmin has just announced the availability of ECG (Electrocardiogram) functionality for the Garmin Fenix 7 Pro, Garmin Epix Pro, Garmin Tactix 7 AMOLED, and Garmin Venu 3/3S units/series. These four different sets of watches all share the same new Garmin ELEVATE V5 optical heart rate sensor package, which is hardware-capable of ECG. The only previous Garmin watch to have ECG functionality was the Garmin Venu 2 Plus.
Garmin’s ECG feature will determine whether you have a normal sinus rhythm, or an Afib condition. It does this on-demand (when you request it), versus a 24×7 background process like some other smartwatches. Upon the conclusion of the 30-second test, it’ll give you the result as well as let you export the full report as a PDF to give to a doctor. This feature does not detect heart attacks.
The functionality remains the same as the Venu 2 Plus, but given that Garmin changed the optical HR sensor package, they had to redo/re-fill portions of their FDA certification related to the ECG feature. Remember that Garmin, like Apple/Samsung/Fitbit/Google/etc, have all gone through the formal FDA certification process, which classifies the ECG app as a medical device. This includes doing a full study of 600+ participants and everything else that comes with proper medical device certification
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I wish they would add this ability to the HRM Pro+, it would be a nice way to give owners of older devices a new feature, and it’d probably be more accurate like the Polar H10 offers.
You are not able to get an accurate ECG measure just by measuring through the wrist with a watch. When measuring ECG you normally use at least 4 measuring points on the body. Most of the part you measure what we call 12 or 15 point ECG. It shows diferrent areas of the heart on a ECG. To read and understand ECG, it takes a lot of practice and understanding on how ECG actually works. Ok you can see that you have a normal Sinus rythm, thats good.. But i think that if you dont have that, you will feel it somehow ;) So to me, ECG on a watch is a bit useless.
@@Jako6400 This is all wrong. You can get an accurate 1 lead ECG using just 2 points of contact (e.g. the wrist and the opposite hand). Yes, it is not a 12 lead ECG, but it does have diagnostic value for certain conditions (e.g. atrial fibrillation--the condition for which the FDA has approved this). Users do not need to read their own ECGs; they can either forward a copy of the ECG tracing from the watch to their doctors or they can rely on the FDA-approved software if their condition is one of the ones approved for diagnosis. And, no, not all persons with atrial fibrillation will have symptoms such as palpitations or shortness of breath.
@@wlogan2000 I approve this message.
Agree. I use the Polar H10 with Garmin devices and platform because of its higher accuracy (sampling rate, etc.). I'm prone to a-fib and have been waiting for Garmin to catch up with Apple - in fact I had a touch of tachycardia yesterday and wish I'd have already installed the ECG app on my new Fenix 7X Pro. If you have an H10 and Android phone, there is a free ECG app that a doctor in Europe wrote; unfortunately my cardiologist is not able to interpret the file format it saves traces in, but it's a good indicator for when I get back from long rides.
Thanks for all your videos. Helped me and many new Garmin owners out there 😊 keep up the good work
Just wish Garmin would include passive monitoring for irregular heartbeats as well - competition like the GW6 offers this functionality in addition to ECG, and they compliment each other well.
Hmm. Might want to add the PRO to the title. Only got the Epix2 and got excited there for a second.
He can’t change the title. Besides, he says so in the video.
I bought a Venu2+ specifically for the ECG function. More than 50% of my tests were "inconclusive" so I decided to return it. One side note that no one talks about with this ECG function is that if your heart rate is below 50bpm (or above 120bpm) the watch will not render a decision either way on your heart rhythm. That happened twice to me as well.
Interesting! I just got a Fenix 7X Pro. I can get into both bradychardia and tachycardia arrhythmia below 50 and above 120 so will watch for this (pardon the pun).
I don't have this issue but thanks for sharing.
And your still alive ?
@@shreddagorgedoes it do rigormortis
Ive had it on my venue 2 plus for ages In the UK.I just changed my location to USA on my Garmin connect account..👍
Any indication when the ECG feature will become available in UK/EU? It is a long way to theStates to start the App
Awesome to learn about that. Appreciate your work, mate! 👍🏻
Thats crazy the fr965 doesnt have the hardware for it, its the latest model and the top teir running watch.
I want the 965 but i feel like i should wait to see if they update it... currently running a 745
Thank for the great content, as always DC Rainmaker!
I bought a fenix 6 pro a few weeks back, so no ecg for me.
still, like 50% cheaper then a 7 pro
I bought epix 2! This week with 33% off.. I'm in the same situation. 🥲
Going for Suunto Race !
Works a treat... even from the UK with a bit of hoop-jumping to get initial setup done.
Care to elaborate for a fellow non-US resident?
by using a vpn connection to US, I'd think
how you did it outside of us?
Do you know when ECG will be enrolled for Europe (Germany)?
google einfach nach ecg outside us ;)
You can activate it in Europe, just fake the location thru spoof GPS app on your phone
Tried to get the ECG app activated when recently in the US from New Zealand, following your instructions, had absolutely no luck in getting it installed 😢
Fenix 7x Pro Sapphire Solar
ECG on a Pixel Watch 2 works perfectly!
That’s why I ditched my FR965. Is just incredible that lower tier watches have a lot of different features, but the top of the line triathlon watch, just doesn’t.
Thanks for this insight...i have the 255 and was gonna go for the 965...but thinking otherwise now..new HR sensor and ECG is a must if i am to upgrade
@@Therevolution7 You are welcome. And yes, the 965 is a very very good watch, but it’s just a 955 with oled, and as you can see, Garmin really don’t care too much about it.
@@SpeedGio It's not that they don't care, it literally doesn't have the hardware to do it.
@@mrnicbst that’s what I meant. They had to update the sensor going from the 955 to the 965. What they did, was launching a new device at mid cycle, putting an oled screen, charging more, but it’s the same overall.
Do we know whether these watches use this functionality to improve normal BPM detection, particularly during exercise?
Surprising that there's no support for the $3200 Marq Carbon 👀
Good catch, it will be a bummer if €3200 watch can’t have this!
Great Information, will it work with US VPN to activate ?
Get checked for QT elongation, are you taking antidepressants by any chance?
I have the Garmin Pro Epix 2 but I do not see ECG on my Garmin App… Help ?
Just one small additional point, you must be in a compatible region AND your watch must be getting an active GPS signal… if you are sitting in your basement, this won’t work, it will tell you you are not in a compatible region, so go outside, put your watch into an activity mode that activates the GPS. Once you get a GPS signal, try the setup again and you wil be in business.
You don’t actually need GPS at that moment. Though, your phone does. I believe at some point your watch needed to have GPS in the US. But in my case I did all my setup without any GPS signal, deep inside hotels, airports…and a Chipotle. 🤣
I use my watch to track sports activities and appreciate all the data, the maps and the navigation I can get right there on my arm, but I really have no interest in all the other gadgetry at all. I understand that Garmin wants to be at the front with the newest technology and such, but I hope they continue to make sports watches that are mainly for sports, built from the best materials, but without all the 'bling' and thereby hopefully at affordable prices.
They still do sports watches with some nice extras, nothings wrong about those Features. And maybe there are ppl whi really want a high class sports watch and need those Features.
I actually like this because it's very useful for people like me who are out in the wilderness a lot and if your not feeling well you can almost give yourself a baby wellness check. High altitude sickness is no 🤣 joke
@@fastm3980that’s true, but afib ist not a hallmark of altitude sickness. The only thing all people experience with increasing altitude is tachycardia (the heart is beating faster in order to meet the body’s oxygen demands while the partial pressure decreases). It might be more useful to track your oxygen saturation as long as you have an idea of your hemoglobin level. That said, all of this does not help you in that immediate situation. It might even give you a false sense of security. In doubt: descend.
Most people who use Garmin watches perhaps don’t need this feature. Apple users may 🤣
I know a LOT of athletes with recurring a-fib (induced by dehydration, over-exertion, etc... it's a gift that keeps on giving).
Hi Ray. Thanks for your thorough videos and writeups. Did Garmin ever say anything about Jetlag Advisor coming to Forerunner 965? I’m surprised it still hasn’t shown up in a software update.
BUT my question here is - does it detect heart attack ??😮
does not
1:52
it says not, in the video 😊
A 12 lead ECG isn’t even a gold standard to detect a heart attack. Cardiac troponin levels could show a possible heart attack, manifesting itself as something called an NSTEMI on a ECG. Always trust how you feel, learn the signs and symptoms, carry aspirin in the home.
@@KeithRobertson57 i know, but does it ? :)
Hi there, bit of topic, but I'm interested buying the fenix 7 pro watch. I already have the edge 530. How do you combine these two, for example when I go out mountainbiking. Do you use both the watch and bikecomputer to track your ride....or just the bikecomputer or just the watch? Thanx in advance Ray!
Might be a reason to upgrade from the Garmin 5x
I have been doing breathwork and upgraded for the Pulse Ox and Respiration tracking (as well as ECG because I have a-fib).
Very interesting stuff there. Thanks. On another note will you update your wat h recommendations any time soon as when on your site it says they are from 2021? Thanks
Will Epix pro get features from Venu 3 like sleep coach and naps tracking ?
Also available in Hong Kong and Vietnam 1:03
I thought maybe it would run all the time but from your video it looks like you have to actually touch the watch with your right hand during the test?
I understood Garmin D2 Air X10 watch has similar hardware with Venu 2, but no ECG for D2 Air X10 for now. Do you have any news about this feature reaching the D2 Air X10 watch anytime soon?
Any gut feelings about more general availability (i.e. outside the US)?
Want to find out about the same!
Can you mention how you unlocked the ekg when you went to new York. I love in Canada but will be in new York next week and I'd like to unlock it as well
Maaaan! Left Chicago a week ago. Live in Sweden🙈
Damn. I have the Fenix 7 Sapphire Solar. Close, but no cookies for me!
What happened to the Zwift Hub video?
The question is what potential does it offer the ECG to performance?
I highly doubt they would ever do this, but, if they could find out a way to enable the ECG to produce an on the spot HRV reading it would be incredibly helpful. Coros paired with HRV4Training to do this for a morning spot measurement with his app and it’s very cool.
I have a new Epix Pro and can get all the way to where you place your thumb and index finger on the bezel. From there nothing happens. I have tried resetting my phone, my watch, the app, etc. Any pointers to troubleshoot?
it would be nice if they add this to ForeRunner watches too!
If you wanted tio make a turbo trainer useable outside in the wind and rain, what trainer would you start with? How you you go about it?
Very frustrating feature… it stops running if your heart rate is under 50. I would think that a lot of people buying a high wnd fitness watch have heart rates under 50 when sitting around … i get frequent premature ventricular contractions that i would like to monitor with this, but it keeps quitting on me because my heart rate is regularly under 50… so i have to get up and do sone jumping jacks or something to get my heart rate up in order to get an ECG readout
Just got a new Venu 3 today & that ecg app doesnt show up at all after completing the set up
Comes the function on the „old“ Fenix 7 😮
lol
Enduro 2?
Just got an Epix Pro gen2 Sapphire, and now I think I should get a ticket from Garmin to enter the US and activate this feature... Or maybe they can set something up in the US embassy in The Hague, which would prevent unnecessary flights. Or, maybe... they can just unlock it in Europe too... I'll settle for that too...
use a vpn
Hmm. I’m in the US. Updated a new Fenix 7 Pro Solar Sapphire (Garmin site says it’s compatible) and the app. I didn’t get the ECG walk-through on the app. 🤔
Same, glad I’m not the only one
When can we expect a Fitbit charge 6 review?
Today.
in canada with new epix pro gen 2 doesnt show me any ecg?
I own the Garmin D2 Air X10. Same hardware and sensors as Venu 2 Plus which has ECG functionality. Did Garmin forget to make this update available to D2 owners? I have tried to unlock ECG when in the States without success.
i just looked and it seems like the sensor on the garming d2 air x10 is the elevate 4. At least on the website it is
Venu 2 plus has ecg and its using elevate 4. I bought an epix 2 and it's not compatible. Both has the same sensor
How do you find this app/feature after it has been installed/ downloaded?
Does it share any data with Apple health?
So if I had someone activate the watch in thr US and then ship, i wonder if that would work, presumably they would have to use my account?
You seem to travel incredibly much! Is that all leisure or some other business venture? Love the reviews
Great, although I wonder if it will ever come to Europe ...
Any chance they come with passive monitoring ?
I don’t really understand the use case for manual ECG, think I used 3 or 4 times on AW. Do you need to have a heart condition for it to be useful?
its not that usefull. even
for afib patient its not recommended use case and need to be turn off.
@@fukzen I disagree. Yesterday was a prime example of a ride I pushed a little harder than I thought and I went into mild arrhythmia. Sometimes I can correct it with really cold showers (like yesterday). If it's bad I need to take a blood thinner and "pill in the pocket" from my cardiologist immediately. I have been cardioverted five times. This feature is VERY useful for people like me who can't just feel it, and I trust its accuracy because the FDA wouldn't have (finally) cleared it without data proving it works as advertised. I have two friends with Apple watches that detected their heart attacks, and both doctors agreed the outcome would have been worse without immediate response (but I use Garmin's platforms and don't like Apple).
When will it work in The Netherlands...?
Not seeing the ecg option on my app.
Is it just for the US?
Hi, I follow your videos, and they are really very helpful. But now i have a question about the Garmin Epix 2 Pro. Bought in Europe , but i am physically in USA / New York . I hoped to add thr ECG to my Garmin, but it doesnt give me the option. My Garmin connect app has Version 4.73.3. in the settings there are no indication for setup ECG , and there is no update for the Garmin Connect App. When i use wifi at the Garnin Epix and search for updates - also no success. Can you give some advice ?
Try to set your Garmin account (in Garmin Connect) address to a US address temporarily (even just your hotel address).
@@Dcrainmaker you are a genius 👍. It worked immediately 👍👍👍. Thank you
Are Garmin watches compatible with samsung apps?
When is it coming to UK?
So if you have the Tactix 7 Pro, but not the AMOLED version, you can't get this feature?
Correct. Because original had older sensors.
@@Dcrainmaker Thank you for replying. It just stinks because I bought this watch ac week before the AMOLED came out. Guess I'll have to wait for the Tactix 8
Cool!
Why is the ECG not on the Enduro 2 if it's basically the same as the Fenix 7 X?
It’s not on the Fenix 7X, only the Fenix 7X Pro (the pro series had a different heart rate sensor and internal hardware).
Is a vpn enough for tricking the watch into thinking it is in the US or you also need to trick the gps signal? I dont have any of the ecg enabled watches to test it myself, yet
No
What worked for me:
Steps taken:
1. Clear cache and data of Garmin Connect app.
2. Changed location in my Garmin Profile to US via the Garmin website (NOT GARMIN CONNECT)
3. Enabled VPN and set location to USA.
4. Enabled fake GPS and set it to USA as well.
5. Opened Garmin Connect and logged in.
6. Tapped the watch and added the ECG option.
Thanks Michiel!! This worked for me, just got a free app for setting fake GPS 👍👌
So, fake GPS +VPN or just the fake GPS?
@eugeniocajiao9062 sorry, should have been clear...fake gps + vpn 👍
@@eugeniocajiao9062 i used both fake gps and vpn.
Are you going to explain the new “nap” function on some of the new Forerunners?
I did it as part of the Venu 3 & Vivoactive 5 reviews, where it was first introduced. Identical faeture here. But maybe I'll circle back again.
I couldn't take mine since my heart rate was too low :( mine is typically low 40s or upper 30s and I guess it needs to be a minimum of 50 to measure ECG
Damn that's super low! Are you an athlete? Or just exercise alot? :)
Wonder if this can be enabled with a VPN or does it use gps/phone location to determine your location? 🤔
People have done it successfully with Venu 2 Plus when it got this option. There are manuals online and they aren’t too complicated so I guess it should work in a similar way with these watches. I’m going to try it very soon.
What about the Epix 2? Thought that had same hardware as Fenix 7 Pro?
Just Epix 2 Pro, not Epix 2.
Hi ya, I'm using a 945LTE which through Garmin Connect gives basic Heart Rate data. By chance would you know what is the elapsed time frame during these recordings to be able to follow up on any irregular or unusual readings. Example: a low rate of 44bpm or a high rate of 170bpm recorded on an activity and how to know how long a period this reading was for and when?
You cannot detect irregular heart beats by knowing timestamp and heart bpm rate.
The only way to detect irregular heart beat is if it happens while you are taking the reading demonstrated in this vide. If it doesn't happen during the reading, it will not be detected.
So, you might have irregular heart beats but you will still not be aware of that even if you have device capable of detecting it, if these irregular heart beats do not happen while you are trying to detect them.
Do notice that common blood pressure monitors used at home, do not have ability of sensing irregular heart beats, unless that is specifically mentioned in its specifications.
Alright then maybe using wrong terminology. What then is the heart rate chart in Garmin Connect after an activity called and what does it measure?
@@max5250
First, optical readings tend not to be as accurate as electrical (HR straps). Then, you need the accuracy from a device built specifically to trace an ECG waveform (higher sampling rate, better CPU and memory, etc.) to analyze the electrical rhythm of your heart.
Does the ECG work as low as 30 bpm? (Apple Watch doesn’t work below 50 bpm and is useless for me)
The Venu 2 Plus did not.
I wonder how an ECG feature with just one lead is meant to mimic that of a 12 lead ECG or a 4 lead at that?
A 12-lead ECG is simply showing you it from 12 different directions, but as multiple medical bodies have shown, for Afib detection and basic ECG traces, these watches do so perfectly fine.
You just need the rhythm, regular or irregular and if irregular is it afib. You’re not looking for fancy stuff like heart attack, bundle blocks, hypertrophy, etc.
Sorry for the obtuse question, but does this mean the optical sensor on the wrist is an accurate heart rate reading now?
ECG doesn't actually have to do with sport HR readings. That said, I continue to see better accuracy with Elevate V5.
Right on...thank you! @@Dcrainmaker
Where I see the improvement is when I'm in Z3 and above - the Fenix 5 and 6 were really crap above Z2 for me (compared to Polar H10 on Edge 1030 as my baseline).
What about Marq Gen 2? Is that included in the lineup for ECG?
Pretty shure it can’t since the mark 2 doesn’t got the latest hardware either.
Any idea about the marq gen 2?
Can’t activate on my “European”Fenix 7 Pro even been in the US. Any suggestion?
Temporarily change your account to a US address (like your hotel).
@@Dcrainmaker I did that, but it never started reading, like my fingers weren’t on the bezel. 😞
Let's wait for Fenix 8X😅😅
The 8X Pro Sapphire Solar Turbo Platinum will have what you're looking for.
Temperature sensing?
Is the 7X Sapphire Solar a "Pro"? Can't find the app.
It is not. The 7X Sapphire Solar Pro is a "Pro" and has this feature. (I wish they'd just called this the 8!).
why not with heartstrap?????
What about venu 3 germany... i want ecg and skin Temperature 😢 this would be awesome would make the big difference between vivoactive 5 and venu 3
VPN, nicht so schwierig
@@E620SE keine ahnung woe das geht und der artikel den ich mal grob überflogen hatte, klang mir in dem moment irgendwie zu kompliziert. Muss man dafür nicht ständig mit der usa vpn eingeloggt sein, oder reicht das einmalig, um es quasi runterladen zu können?
Not sure if I missed it in the video, but does this new function detect a heart attack or not? 🤣👍
dcrain mentiont it few times. it does not
@@fukzen must have missed it, thought he wasn't 100% clear on it. 😁
when is this coming to europe?
Will the Enduro 2 have ECG functionality?
No, it lacks the sensor harware pieces required.
Would you be able to unlock this using VPN and select a server in the US?
It uses your GPS to make sure you are in US. So VPN does not work
So can it detect Heart Attacks? You didn't make it clear...
It cannot. When you run Garmin's app it will disclaim that.
Note that using ECG on your watch causes Garmin to force MFA on your account forever. That can be a real pain if you have reasons to not want MFA. It should be your choice not theirs on the security of your data.
Dang, not gonna work on my fenix 7 sapphire?!
If the watch stops functioning....does that mean I am dead ?
Thanks and great video. More importantly, does it detect heart attacks ?
does not
Did you watch the video?
@@stefanocaon of course 😁
@@tko86 i don't think so
@@stefanocaon obviously you didn’t get the joke lol
what about enduro 2?
I wanted to ask if it detects a heart attack
It does not.
it does.not detect heart attack. watch the video people
I swear, either there are some really weirdly programmed bots posting on this video... or some people seem to like posting questions beneath videos they haven't actually watched... or the most likely: people just don't actually pay attention any more and are getting stupider and stupider 🤪
(R.I.P. the sanity of any poor TH-camr who actually wants to reply to all the idiots in their video comments 🤣)
@@DerekGreen123 I specifically called it out because last week someone got all upset that their friend was having a heart attack, and they used the ECG feature and it didn't say anything, and then they went to the hospital and they told him he was having a heart attack (and they were upset at the watch calling the feature wrong). The FDA has mandated and made it very clear it's not for heart attacks.
Do not buy a Garmin Watch WITHOUT a metal case. I’ve bought two based on DC Rainmaker’s reviews & suggestions, and the band is always the weak point. The last watch broke where the band connects to the case. The cheap plastic cracked and now I can’t fit a new wristband on the watch it’s a $300 paperweight now collecting dust.
And water.
(Through the cracked case)
Its kind of sad and cheating that garmin selling such expensive watch like the epix gen 2 that retailed for a lakh INR does not give an ecg sensor whereas samsungs watch 6 which retails for 20k INR has it 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Does this feature detect a heart attack?
No.
I wonder why it's not available on the epix series 2, and just the pro version. Seems to me the only difference between the 2 is the built in flashlight.
There IS a difference at the back of the watch (fenix 7 vs fenix 7 pro for instance). Look at the sensors. Different shape.