Two things I forgot to mention in the video that I really meant to Firstly, a lot of people told me last time that this mechanism is more appropriately called a Whiffle Tree, which would be correct since the jaws of my design are not a pattern that repeat forever. Also that it would never have been called this since the term fractal wasnt used until the 70s. Not really important but I wanted to mention it. Secondly, casting. I have no experience in lost PLA or any other casting method but I cant imagine that my single piece jaws would cast particularly well, but I speculate that the teaching tech multi part jaws could translate to casting better? Just a thought. Finally, and admittedly this is more a build video thing, but the larger part of the elastic jaws require support blocking in the middle or else you wont be able to remove the support. Thats all, hope you enjoy!
I would have subbed and liked all your videos but I hate background noise especially music. In general you should never add music to a video. Hope you don't in the future. You are welcome
I just wondered about this, and I think the original concept is so genius, I thought I'd share: the original designer of what today is known as the "fractal vise" was a Mr. Paulin Karl Kunze, circa 1922. Kudos Mr. Paul!
Suggest an auxiliary flat jaw for the fixed jaw. Lots of parts are only unusual on one side, and you could get great alignment. Still fractal, just less so.
Good shout for sure, it would be simple to have a pin on the fixed jaw side that could lock a flat jaw in place to make it easy to swap between the two.
Its not a vice replacement. They are 2 tools for 2 different jobs. Like an impact driver versus a drill. On the surface theyre 2 spinny things that can put in screws and make holes. But they actually both have an express purpose that they excel at where the other does not
Yep whoever says they're useless or "a solution in search of a problem" clearly has never worked on a milling machine. Soft jaw vises do exist for a reason.
Since force is pretty directional the thicker TPU grippers should be hollow. should be able to get the benefit of the more complicated head. This amount of 3d printed tools is amazing!
Amazing, I cant even remember all the times I've needed to hold oddly shaped knife parts for drilling/filing, time to get printing, and that filing machine will be useful for my current project, cant wait!
Also the number of use cases need not be very limited. Consider that the standard engravers vise has an array of pins for grabbing weird shapes. Add how often soft jaws are used by machinists. The question is really only one of size and material.
I think there's something called "Machining Pallet" or "fixture plate" I believe. It's very similar to traditional workholding for woodworking where you have "dog" holes for pins & clamps that mounts into these holes. It's a way simpler solution for these oddy shaped parts. Idk, hope it's at least interresting to hear people way back when, was wicked smart. ^^
even if this is a solution in search of a problem, there's nothing wrong with that, 'cause when you DO find the problem you can be glad you have the solution
I’d make one of the outer jaws at each level (eg: the left-most jaw) slightly larger than the rest to allow it to clamp smaller objects more consistently
Dude you're channel is awesome. I'm defs gonna be watching these CNC build guides. Thanks for actually checking the vice's use with real machines and explaining the design choices, I found that all really interesting!
I love the idea of the backlight upgrade, though a frosted piece of acrylic could make a great diffuser to cut down on the harshness of the light as you wouldn't want to be staring directly into those LEDs for long periods of time. Awesome video btw, great production quality, really well explained and interesting content as usual
It would be interesting for sure, I have thought about it but I have no idea how well the dovetails would come out in my design, perhaps the two part jaws from teaching tech could be better suited
Great design! You sound as if you consider this project done, but just in case: for the next version, consider running the threaded rods that open and close the jaws under some protection so they are not directly exposed to the milled particles and shavings.
Maybe integrate machinist jack points with lead screw/bolts into the vice base to overcome rocking issues when clamping pieces with un-uniform bottom geometry. Or maybe a Z dimension pattern that conforms to non flat geometry
I really like this video, I recommend you for Fiberlogy Impact Pla are impact resistance and also greater resistance of printed elements to the appearance of cracks and breakage. instead it can print functional prototypes. and Fractal vise are popular from the world of 3d printer and hope you will be successful project if it will be very useful in the future. ^^
Nice, And I just download you're first one in June 30 this year and have not printed just yet, But your 2nd one you upload to thingivers looks long to the 1st one and very handy for my CNCest 3040T and it might be a good idea to come up with a latch or something to stop the vise undoing itself from the vibrations on the CNC too, I may have time to jump on to the printing by Wednesday this week and I need to call in to bunnings too for a few things too. But i will make the 6 walls at 1.4mm and the infill at 95%.....
Why is there a thumbs down? Denture-vice is your friend no matter how creepy it looks at first. Get over it! The only real issue I see is cleaning chips/dust between uses.
I might have to change the name ahaha, and yeah I can see it being annoying after a while. While it comes apart easy to clean this was almost a problem since I was scared I would vacuum the small jaws up while cleaning it.
Perhaps, maybe a spacer block rather than another coin but you are right in that it would make the pressure on the coin be applied from a more ideal direction.
I would LOVE for the person who designed this or their grandchildren to come forward and talk about them and their inventions.. That would be so fucking cool. Imagine inventing this great luxury tool and seeing it explode in popularity a hundred years later.
This is cool AF, but I need something a bit more substantial as printed vises don't fare too well after the odd thwack, with even a small hammer. I have two Stanley multi-angle jobbies which are named Edel & Miami. :D
yeah Ill be interested to see how these hold up in a few months, ive seen talk of some people trying to start up manufacturing in metal so itll be cool to see how that goes as well.
No sorry, it is just a basic 3018 CNC but ive replaced the upright supports with longer ones. Just look up 3018 cnc on youtube for a million videos modifying them.
@@Borgedesigns you might want to look at the voron switchwire which was meant to be able to utilize parts from a ender 3 style printer to create a much better printer by adding rails and a coreXZ mechanism. I mainly chose to build the zero to have a smaller and faster counterpart to my main printer which is an e3d toolchanger. It's a beast, and not easy to enclose.
I think the dovetails aren't working because you have them going the wrong way. Try making them horizontal like the original metal and they should work better. Good job though!
I made them inverted from the original design to allow for the scale I am working at, I found that only the largest jaw had the space for the original design (male on the "inner" circle) and the the smaller jaws did not have the space. The original design is certainly the way to go if you have the ability to make one in metal, since it allows the jaws a wider range of motion without coming out.
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Two things I forgot to mention in the video that I really meant to
Firstly, a lot of people told me last time that this mechanism is more appropriately called a Whiffle Tree, which would be correct since the jaws of my design are not a pattern that repeat forever. Also that it would never have been called this since the term fractal wasnt used until the 70s. Not really important but I wanted to mention it.
Secondly, casting. I have no experience in lost PLA or any other casting method but I cant imagine that my single piece jaws would cast particularly well, but I speculate that the teaching tech multi part jaws could translate to casting better? Just a thought.
Finally, and admittedly this is more a build video thing, but the larger part of the elastic jaws require support blocking in the middle or else you wont be able to remove the support.
Thats all, hope you enjoy!
Sir, can i get your mail id please i want the detailed drawing or model of this vice
I would have subbed and liked all your videos but I hate background noise especially music. In general you should never add music to a video. Hope you don't in the future. You are welcome
I just wondered about this, and I think the original concept is so genius, I thought I'd share: the original designer of what today is known as the "fractal vise" was a Mr. Paulin Karl Kunze, circa 1922. Kudos Mr. Paul!
I literally just left a comment about this thank you so much!!!
Suggest an auxiliary flat jaw for the fixed jaw. Lots of parts are only unusual on one side, and you could get great alignment. Still fractal, just less so.
Good shout for sure, it would be simple to have a pin on the fixed jaw side that could lock a flat jaw in place to make it easy to swap between the two.
Its not a vice replacement. They are 2 tools for 2 different jobs.
Like an impact driver versus a drill. On the surface theyre 2 spinny things that can put in screws and make holes. But they actually both have an express purpose that they excel at where the other does not
Yep whoever says they're useless or "a solution in search of a problem" clearly has never worked on a milling machine. Soft jaw vises do exist for a reason.
Since force is pretty directional the thicker TPU grippers should be hollow. should be able to get the benefit of the more complicated head.
This amount of 3d printed tools is amazing!
Really well designed and it actually seems to work suprisingly well. As you mentioned it has very limited usecases though... But it's really cool!
Great to see a design withstand real machines, excellent proof of concept borgey!
Amazing, I cant even remember all the times I've needed to hold oddly shaped knife parts for drilling/filing, time to get printing,
and that filing machine will be useful for my current project, cant wait!
Also the number of use cases need not be very limited. Consider that the standard engravers vise has an array of pins for grabbing weird shapes. Add how often soft jaws are used by machinists. The question is really only one of size and material.
I think there's something called "Machining Pallet" or "fixture plate" I believe. It's very similar to traditional workholding for woodworking where you have "dog" holes for pins & clamps that mounts into these holes. It's a way simpler solution for these oddy shaped parts.
Idk, hope it's at least interresting to hear people way back when, was wicked smart. ^^
even if this is a solution in search of a problem, there's nothing wrong with that, 'cause when you DO find the problem you can be glad you have the solution
This could be useful for someone who paints models, ceramics etc to hold them in positions that would be hard to hold otherwise
Very cool to see it functioning in more practical applications!
Very nice upgrades! I like that magnifying glass attachment. Very useful for soldering works.
I’d make one of the outer jaws at each level (eg: the left-most jaw) slightly larger than the rest to allow it to clamp smaller objects more consistently
Dude you're channel is awesome. I'm defs gonna be watching these CNC build guides. Thanks for actually checking the vice's use with real machines and explaining the design choices, I found that all really interesting!
This is the first reliable unusually shaped banana holder I found. How could this not be useful?
I love the idea of the backlight upgrade, though a frosted piece of acrylic could make a great diffuser to cut down on the harshness of the light as you wouldn't want to be staring directly into those LEDs for long periods of time.
Awesome video btw, great production quality, really well explained and interesting content as usual
Just found your channel dude, glad I did. Great to see some real world application like this. 3d printing tools superb. Great work
What if you replaced the dovetailed parts with semi-ball joints that can move in every direction but upward?
as in, maintain the semi-circle pattern but replace the dovetails with long cylinders, or devise a new mechanism that uses ball joints?
Yep, would be interesting to see a metal version of this. Maybe just one done with lost PLA casting?
It would be interesting for sure, I have thought about it but I have no idea how well the dovetails would come out in my design, perhaps the two part jaws from teaching tech could be better suited
Great design!
You sound as if you consider this project done, but just in case: for the next version, consider running the threaded rods that open and close the jaws under some protection so they are not directly exposed to the milled particles and shavings.
dude this is an awesome project, congrats on your channel growth! i might print this vise on stream
Maybe integrate machinist jack points with lead screw/bolts into the vice base to overcome rocking issues when clamping pieces with un-uniform bottom geometry. Or maybe a Z dimension pattern that conforms to non flat geometry
Great content and commentary. Added to my fall print list!
I really like this video, I recommend you for Fiberlogy Impact Pla are impact resistance and also greater resistance of printed elements to the appearance of cracks and breakage. instead it can print functional prototypes.
and Fractal vise are popular from the world of 3d printer and hope you will be successful project if it will be very useful in the future. ^^
Whaoo ! I discover your channel today ! I love it !!
Where can I find all your creation's stl ??
Should this be printed solid or can it be printed hollow with a framework?
Well done. I especially like well thought out add in (mostly the forward thinking of things like the hole for a wire) Subed
Nice, And I just download you're first one in June 30 this year and have not printed just yet, But your 2nd one you upload to thingivers looks long to the 1st one and very handy for my CNCest 3040T and it might be a good idea to come up with a latch or something to stop the vise undoing itself from the vibrations on the CNC too, I may have time to jump on to the printing by Wednesday this week and I need to call in to bunnings too for a few things too. But i will make the 6 walls at 1.4mm and the infill at 95%.....
The latch is a good idea!
Why is there a thumbs down? Denture-vice is your friend no matter how creepy it looks at first. Get over it! The only real issue I see is cleaning chips/dust between uses.
I might have to change the name ahaha, and yeah I can see it being annoying after a while. While it comes apart easy to clean this was almost a problem since I was scared I would vacuum the small jaws up while cleaning it.
If you don't have one yet a crochet hook would probably help a ton with assembly.
good idea, probably more reliable than the knife I was using ahha
Toy Polloi uses them to replace the rubber bands in old GI Joes.
If this was modified to have a movable part that is square to the vice it could be used to set and machine parts that are oddly shaped
I needed this foor engraving Zippo 😍😍😍
Do you have links to the materials required?
Would adding a second small coin at the opposite edge help holding small items?
Perhaps, maybe a spacer block rather than another coin but you are right in that it would make the pressure on the coin be applied from a more ideal direction.
I would LOVE for the person who designed this or their grandchildren to come forward and talk about them and their inventions..
That would be so fucking cool. Imagine inventing this great luxury tool and seeing it explode in popularity a hundred years later.
I want to adapt this to mount to my standard vise, so just the heads that mount onto it.
Cool! Thanks for sharing!
I will be using this to clamp my 434F434B
I think your keyboard is broken glee_son
This is cool AF, but I need something a bit more substantial as printed vises don't fare too well after the odd thwack, with even a small hammer.
I have two Stanley multi-angle jobbies which are named Edel & Miami. :D
yeah Ill be interested to see how these hold up in a few months, ive seen talk of some people trying to start up manufacturing in metal so itll be cool to see how that goes as well.
Beautiful 👍
Interesting video!
What brand of filament do you use?
I've been looking for this exact flavour of orange for a while
Nice print
This needs herringbone gears. Just because it would look miles better :-)
Got a build guide on that router?
No sorry, it is just a basic 3018 CNC but ive replaced the upright supports with longer ones. Just look up 3018 cnc on youtube for a million videos modifying them.
Really good video
I started designing a fractal vise too and somehow the project got away from me and now I'm building a voron 0... Yak shaving at its finest.
Ive been seeing a lot about Vorons recently, would like to build one in the future for sure, seems like a slight upgrade over my stock ender 3s ahah
@@Borgedesigns you might want to look at the voron switchwire which was meant to be able to utilize parts from a ender 3 style printer to create a much better printer by adding rails and a coreXZ mechanism. I mainly chose to build the zero to have a smaller and faster counterpart to my main printer which is an e3d toolchanger. It's a beast, and not easy to enclose.
I think the dovetails aren't working because you have them going the wrong way. Try making them horizontal like the original metal and they should work better. Good job though!
I made them inverted from the original design to allow for the scale I am working at, I found that only the largest jaw had the space for the original design (male on the "inner" circle) and the the smaller jaws did not have the space. The original design is certainly the way to go if you have the ability to make one in metal, since it allows the jaws a wider range of motion without coming out.
as someone who is used to manual and metal CNC mills that depth of cut to make the sd card tray seems so sad
oddly shaped rocks: am i a joke to u?! hahahaha
Cool! Subscribed
hi mr borge!
no
Make practal vise like Lindsay engraving ,make mini. Maybe dial 15cm👍👍 look Lindsay bise practal vise . You must make 1 maybe little min
i dont like borgey orange, you should change it to a purple/blue
Nick go to bed
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don't forget your day ones smh
Dont tell me what to do
Give one😂😂
Please do not use any 'music' as a background to your voice.