Too much freedom will kill us | Esther van Fenema | TEDxDelft
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- People with addictions are often blamed themselves for having become addicts. But Esther van Fenema has found that many of these cases could have been prevented. To achieve this a question must be asked: can someone have too much freedom?
Van Fenema initially set out studying violin at a conservatory in Amsterdam. After four years she went on to study medicine.
Having attained her degree she worked for a year as a doctor in first aid, before starting her education to become a psychiatrist at Leiden University Medical Center. “It is the best profession there is,” she says.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
Too much freedom is not the problem but the lack of morality and self-restraint.
To much freedom will make human into a beast.. because there no law to follow..
(Sorry for my bad english)
Uzumaki Dio true
There are many examples of great civilizations succumbing to individuality and freedom, it generally goes:
First comes Freedom then comes Individuality,
after that we begin to Self-realize which leads us to form Opinions.
Opinions begin to take drastic turns. Forming Radicalism/Fanaticism.
Radicals become Violent and create societal and political norms, which leads to opposition.
Political radical opposition slowly degrades the country into a violent and horrible place, committing essentially what is cultural suicide.
This is also what is happening to America as we speak.
@@gachilhan It's coming to Europe too.
@Liberty In Peril that sounds nice but isn't correct since people will always limit eachothers freedom. Becuase it really depends on the acceptable ratio of chaos to order.
Humanity has proven that it doesn't deserve freedom. Humanity needs papers, documents, laws, rules and regulation to abide by.
To have order is to have chaos. Therefore laws are cool
You Can’t Have Freedom without Responsibility.
I have freedom to kill babies and I will run away with that responsibility
So treat everyone like a child?
I think the problem isn't too much freedom but a lack of responsibility. Often times, people want to do whatever they want but don't want to take responsibility for their choices. I truly belive that we are all free to choose for ourselves whether we will obey laws or not and we all have the right to life, liberty and property, but our freedom ends where someone else's begins and we should not try to force or take away someone else's freedom unless they try to take ours away. For example, if guy A plans to and willingly kills guy B. A has to face justice for his crime especially if A knew the consequences of his choices and still did it anyway then he has no excuse but if B gets jumped by A and kills in self defense then B is not in the wrong because he never planned on hurting A until he was suddenly jumped on. As for those who have mental issues they should seek help as they may not be completly able to control themselves and can pose a danger to themselves and the rest of the public.
Well is a truly responsible and accountable person going to indulge in every single freedom and every single choice available to them just because they can? Probably not.
Freedom prohibits prohibition of allowed actions. Therefore, it allows people to behave badly.
the Problem is not freedom it’s lack of self control.
If we drill down to what "self control" means then this statement begins to unravel.
@@eduardoroca1991 yea makes no sense lmao, most humans have no self control and dont deserve unlimited freedom
@@judowudo5251 What does self-control even mean? It's a vague term, and that's the problem.
You can develop true morality and ability to self-restraint only under the condition of freedom.
"You are only as free as your purchasing power will allow you to be."
- Peter Joseph
@Liberty In Peril Who said it?
There is no such thing as full freedom; anything people do has their own consequences. Just because you do not receive its consequence now does not mean there will be none in the future.
We must find the balance. If we want to live in a complex, comfy society, where the individual is valued as much as the collective, then there's a thing as too much freedom and too much authority
It's not that you have too much freedom, it's more like you were not taught the responsibilities that come along with it. With great power(freedom) comes great responsibility.
This is a very good video explaining the side-affects of freedom. Then I saw the number of thumbs up and down, and was really suprised about the number of thumbs down. I really think that has been caused by how many people are programmed, when it comes to the word freedom. They feel and see freedom, as something which only has positive elements, and do think she wants to limit somebodies freedom and so, giving the video a thumb down. Interesting....
It is a pity that she studied medicines, which is a limited study, because they only learn about curing the disease, and hardly anything about preventing that disease...
I was really surprised by the amount of mindless drones who will believe anything someone on a stage tells them and buy into rigged thought experiments.
The problem isn't freedom per say. It's the lack of responsibility and that people fill their freedom with hedonism.
Well if people want to poison themselves they should be able to . Society should enforce responsibilities,moral, and self restraint. Not government, when you give Govement more power you just set up a formula for a ever growing Govement power.
Your free to pay your taxes or get tossed in jail. No we cant tell you how your money was spent, it's a mater of national security
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Freedom is not an absolute ideal to strive for. Chaos and order need to be in balance. And by the way if you any money you don't pay taxes in many countries you actually just recieve money.
@@TheAdekrijger your freedoms are not absolute, basically.
@@TheAdekrijger Yes, you receive money stolen from other people.
Human society could last and advance because there are rules and laws, not freedom.
i am amazed at how many raised their hand for option 2. really really scary
@Seiei Leisure Yep, that's just a prerequisite for a working society
why are you amazed many raised their hands to option 2 and why do you feel that's really scary? 6:53 has both options written if you forgot.
Freedom is always good ,what you do with it might be bad. And remember Freedom isn't being able to peacefully protest after the government does something to you ,freedom is when if you do something to the government that they don't like, they can peacefully protest.
@@belltocher if you love freedom so much go back living in the wild where you can be robbed, mauled and eaten alive at anytime, without any security. good riddance
Modern society turned people into vegetables. The Problem isnt freedom, its a lack of morals. Too much freedom is to people be able to make a choice on whatever they want to do. Ive never seen a happy lion caged, although he has food and "safety", he isnt happy at all. Now compare that to a lion that lives in wild nature: Has complete freedom to do what he wants, but lives in danger. Is he sad? I think that answers itself. This Talk is framed in a way to question peoples freedoms, not what our leaders and governments do. The System is the problem.
The talker must be kidding right?!
I would choose option 1 everytime even if i was constantly coughing blood from some lung disease due to smoking. I consider freedom the most important thing we have. It's way more important than life itself. For me the real tragedy is not people dying due to bad decisions they made, it's the fact that in some parts of the world there are a lot of people who don't have any say in what happens in their life. People who have no control over what they can do, people who are forced to marry eachother, people who everyday have to do something they never wanted to do and never in their life have the oportunity to follow their dreams.
A human being has to have control over every single aspect of its life and it does´t matter if the decisions a person makes are harmful for his health. Those decisions are too fundamental to have any authority telling us what we can or can't do based on how bad it is for us. The only boundaries to freedom must be to ensure that one doesn't interfere with the freedom of other people. So long as that is safeguarded everything else should be allowed because the life BELONGS to the person. If I want i can go and learn whatever i want, go where i want and try to achieve what i want. I just have to work for it. But if i want i can also just not do any of that. I can do drugs, smoke, stay home and eat all day...hell i can even stab myself in the leg or jump off a building. It doesn't matter what i do so long as it's MY decision. Off course then the responsability for those actions is only mine, but i think it is completely ridiculous and dangerous to blame freedom for people's bad decisions and mess ups in life.
And what is being proposed is really dangerous. There can be no legislation approved to limit what someone can or can't do just on the grounds that it is bad for their health. Hell, she wasn't even just speaking of things like tobacco and drugs, she was referring to how someone chooses to spend their time. And the argument about the parents... What did she mean? She wants a government that knows what is "best" for its citizens and decides without scrutiny what they can do.
If this kind of legislation is approved based on this kind of argumentation then we are leaving room for other restrictions to our freedom to be imposed in the future and before you know it governments are deciding every single aspect of our lives. So the line has to be drawn immediately or else the freedom we only recently aquired (because it is very recent if you think about how people led their lives not so long ago) is going to be very short lived
100% true. Amen
(to miguel oliveira)
How can freedom be more important than life itself? Freedom can't exist before life can exist. Without life, there's..well...nothing....like the empty void of space or at most (possibly) Mars, with any life it has only at a microbial level. No life, no freedom; yet there can be life without freedom. BTW, more seriously, I'd say freedom is important *only* to the extent that you don't use it to hurt, harm, or demean the dignity of other people. So I have to put dignity first, then a reasonable amount of freedom.
sounds selfish to me to believe if my decisions doesn't affect those around me. especially loved ones. should i just go ahead and live my live just the way i want it?. that's not Freedom.
We should classify freedom into two categories: destructive freedom and constructive freedom.
Destructive freedom like the freedom to take drugs is dangerous for the individual, his family and the society.
Constructive freedom like the freedom to choose what you want to study in college is far less likely to be harmful for society.
Still, who is the state to say the state should intervene (or even that society should scorn) freedoms that hurt only the individual themselves? For others (i.e. family and society, I can see where the state may be able to intervene).
@Liberty In Peril It's not enough, only a very close minded and idealist person thinks that this model will be better for the society. It's almost silly to think that just because something doesn't cause immediately or directly damage to someone else, is adequate to have a good and organized society.
Some people are just so sickly addicted to the "god freedom", and if you question that thought, you’re called sheeple, it's like religion.
@Liberty In Peril It's not to fit what I want but to fit in what is better to have a more organized, less conflicted society, based on evidences that can be analyzed.
Unless your objectives are different, then there's nothing to talk anymore.
I want the freedom to destroy my body if I want. Who are you to decide what's good for me? It's none of your business.
@@freedomismine4607 good for you. The world doesn't need more dumbfucks like yourself
The real problem?? We the people have yielded too much freedom to the government!
The people get what they vote for, in supposed liberal democracy. White conservatives have destroyed the world just to enrich themselves because it's their freedom to vote for a government that will subsidize their way of life and bomb anyone who disagrees.
there's no such thing called freedom . we all think that we have freedom but we do not . take my comment as an example why I chose to write this comment is because I choose to do that or because this video title triggered something inside me .
Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. Freedom to choose is God given, but we have to have spiritual discerment to recognize temptation and what is bad for us. God's law is not to limit us, but for our protection, so we can live a blessed life to our full potential. Freedom and pleasure are good things but good things can be a distraction when we replace them for God and truth, and then we will suffer the consequences.
TAXATION IS THEFT
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Great insight
Esther really misses the point. Most depression and disorders come from denial about childhood trauma and neglect and the low self-esteem and low EQ (emotional resilience) it caused. Parents should teach their kids healthy boundaries (both ways) and not force their will upon them. If a person lives unhealthy and has some kind of coping mechanism, this is because of the lack of self-regulation (boundaries anyone...). By over-rationalizing and claiming this should be the effects of "too much freedom"...only people with an unbalanced emotional life (or lack of) could make these kinds of claims. Physically, emotionally, mentally, energetically and spiritually we should be balanced. Unfortunately, this neglect (and denial) is causing most of the mental problems/disorders in the West. And a lot of the internet's "so-called experts" are causing more harm than good by spreading false information because of their own denial and disorders.
Adriaan Add narrowness, bigotry, pettiness, bullying, and generally arbitrary standards for judging a person as well. Those also are a product of low self-regulation of behavior or even thought process. Not all things about human nature are wonderful. Theft, vandalism, and bigotry are also natural behaviors. Yet we as a society don't condone it. There's definitely room for all people to improve.
Glad I'm not the only one thinking this stuff. So satisfying to read these comments.
Freedom can be a dangerous thing.
Look at the crime rates soaring high because of too much freedom they have to roam the streets and lack of responsibility.
Criminals never want to own up to their actions so take their freedoms away.
It will take more than just a prison cage.
More.
@علئ ياسر ever heard of Martial Law? And of course our government is not perfect and we have made tons of mistakes. No government is perfect. But America's Military is Strong and Fierce.
I understand everybody has different opinions on this and different beliefs on this subject. That's fine because I have my own opinions and beliefs as well.
Thought this was gonna be about stuff like hate speech leading to hate crime, misinformation leading to societal issues, but it's just about people's lack of responsibility and/or self discipline in their diets and lifestyle
Not even about their harm to others like bullying and trolling has, but lack of self care
I don't get it? How can we be free when we live in a world of good and evil? Even the Spanish painter Pablo Picasso was trapped by his own genius.
Taliban: "We hear you bae, give us your freedom"
I looked this subject up today,,as I'm an old man who can't rap my head around the world just now! So many genders,movements social media, I'm starting to really feel like an alien 👽in this modern age,and I honestly am starting to think that too much freedom is the causes!
responsibilities,moral, true, but you need someone to solve issue when someone didn't take his responsabilities, or what about those who doesn't have the same moral as you ?, you need something like a company, or kind of a cops / judge to solve those issue, but then who are you to judge those with a different moral than you ? i mean.... its hard, and more we are getting on this planet harder it become.. that why we need law, specialy if you want to get a lot of poeple working together
Absurd! You cannot choose the option 2. The whole point of it is that you cannot choose lol. So the question is idiotic.
The speaker assumes that all people value their health more so than the bad habits they have adapted. Not everyone wants to live a long and healthy life. Some people prefer to enjoy their life to the fullest even if it means more personal risk and a shorter life span. Is it ethical to subjugate a person to a lifestyle they are unhappy in? Wouldn't that make the situation worse or unchanged? Imagine someone force fed you a specific meal everyday because it's good for you. Wouldn't your quality of life diminish? I'm sure for some people they would rather be dead then have that happen to them.
Stop passing out green cards
A good cautionary lecture for parents to give their children, but not a precedent to allow government to infringe on our liberties. Those individuals in her anecdotes could have been saved by having been taught responsibility.
The most dangerous possession a human can hold is freedom and have a lack of utilitarianism.
@Liberty In Peril That very ownership you're talking about is that person's ultimate freedom to own another being and to do as they please. Their lack of utilitarianism in the matter causes pain on the other without freedom. Freedom is the most dangerous possession a human can hold, especially if they do not hold Theory of Mind alongside.
@Liberty In Peril Then that is not true freedom.
Wouldn't the conclusion from this be to have a Health Police, so to speak? Appealing to the money issue risks commidifying human beings - seeing them as economic machines and nothing more. Seems to me that if you support a "health police", then you should support "speech police". How about we don't shame and blame people for matters that are either beyond their control or don't hurt or demean the dignity of others.
This is a shadow side indeed.
As a evolutionary process we were in a certain sense not born to be free. On the grass lands of Africa we had to work with the tribe to live and survive. Responsibility then is not to oneself but others to continue living as a whole in a evolutionary sense. So, pure freedom is a relatively new concept in the process of evolution.
This's why law exists
Iam leaning twards total Anarchy
Bullshit ....
You are the one that can choose wheither you eat fastfood or smoke or not, it will always be your choice, so if you get cancer caused by smoking, guess two times who's fault it is. No not that we get the freedom to smoke because you are not being forced to do so. Even if they take our freedom to do such things there will still be things that can cause harm to you, and that will still be your choice.,
and even when your decisions affects those around you?. does that make any sense?. what is the essence of life without the reproductive organs?. don't be selfish if you are bind to see the life outside.
Freedom without limits become a mess
Good accessable work systems where learning is integrated. Invest in the people first. It is too book and rules skewed right now. Live a little 😘
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"we are responsible for each other" How does she arrives here? Is it the mother instinct? Isn't she aware of the valse judeo-christian morality?
@Marco you meant the western reform version of Christianity.
Zuiver esthetisch gesproken: het vrouwenlichaam blijft toch een kunstwerk, maar dat even terzijde. Wat hier opvalt is toch wel het steenkolen-engels van de spreekster... Daiabiedies....
Wow. Must be short on TED topics. Lady, if you want to be enslaved, go for it. But how dare you advocate for other's enslavement? What better evidence of the fact we live in an insane asylum.
truth don't have to be a long topic.always short and straight.
Hold up she never said to abandon and forgo all of your freedoms in life completely. What she is advocating is for us to have discipline and self management for our own sustainability. I knew a number of people close to my family who died before the age of 32 as result of exploiting and abusing their own freedoms by either drugging drinking themselves to death or even dying in reckless road accidents. Some are even serving time in prison or suffering from HIV.
Thank u sir
Whenever someone says they want less freedom, what they really mean is that they don’t like what your doing and anything that doesn’t align with your world view is barbaric
Freedom isn't bad freedom is always good always the answer
so killing people, molesting childrens, and robbing banks counts as freedom of act
morrigan2001 What is your point you moron ?
Callum Webb That too much freedom isn't good for you.too much freedom can also mean having plans to bomb a city or kill millions of people.
VEND ETTRRA And who decides just how much freedom is to much ? Screw you man, free will is what defines us as human beings
Ottoman sipahi Apparently freedom to do that is "good" and "the answer". If SquidlyTV disagrees, then he or she admits more freedom is not the answer after all.
All it takes is one person to ruin everything.
Yeah i agree sometimes
Oh really? never understood that....
And they say communism is bad.
That's because Communism is bad
In a perfect world where countries government are uncorrupt and 100% a good and decent human being who look out for their people then communism or socialism will be far more better than democracy.
smart woman
who here from high school
This is actually very pathetic because there are quite a few things to mention about 100% freedom.. we can still be free and not get extinct.. she is talking about something that doesnt work.. well can anyone tell this woman that before politics people were surviving and thriving? This is just to make the idea of slavery sink in.. she is basically saying that all the rich that dont lift a finger is too lazy to survive on their own also..
crime is freedom as well, do you prefer a life with crimes with no end?
I think freedom is nice conceptually, but most people don’t really understand what it is or really want it, otherwise we wouldn’t so naturally organize ourselves into rigid structured groups with so many rules attached.
Religious, Political, Social, etc these are all freedom restricting structures. And we seem unable to function without them. You do away with one set of rules and restrictions and we immediately create another set of rules and restrictions to replace the old. Im in the US and often the people screaming about freedom the loudest have the MOST rules they want to impose.
americans want more and more freedom making me more and more fascist
You perfectly describe the alphabet cult
@@mhdfrb9971 true, often times extreme groups even on opposite ends of the spectrum share much more than they care to admit.
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