Do Sentimonsters represent Autism in Miraculous Ladybug? 🐞 (and why it’s not a good thing)
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Hi, besties! 💖 In today’s video, we’re going to be discussing autism in Miraculous ! (✿◠‿◠) I’d love to know what you think!
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Hey besties! Just wanted to say as much as I think the three of them are senti and autistic, I’m not 100% sure they are, or at least 100% on that they’re intended to be that way. I just thought this video would be a nice way to open a discussion around autism and disability more in general in the show, and how certain depictions can be positive/negative in media 🥰
What if their a reflection of their creators personality , like Adrien seems to be like emelie(if he's a sentimonster), but if the show actually implements autistic characters , then that's really cool.
That could also be true! It would also explain their behaviour roo
A caring autistic mother is something I'd love to see. I don't think I've ever seen an autistic parent character.
You're definitely more human than anyone who dares to tell you you're not D:
Thank you bestie 🥰 gosh it’s disgusting. I do not get how *anyone* thinks it’s genuinely okay to tell someone they aren’t fully human
Thanks for educating us a bit! I have barely any knowledge of autism other than what I see in my friend's child. I wouldn't have thought of Adriene, Kagami, or Felix as autistic. I would have just thought of them as a bit socially awkward due to them being sheltered and nothing else.
Separately, I am so sorry that people sometimes act or tell you that you aren't fully human! Clearly, there needs to be more education, but some people just insist on perpetuating this 'us vs. them' mentality, which has historically fueled so much cruelty and violence in our human history... I hope that over time we find a way to actually be inclusive and not think of anyone as less than human. ❤️
thank you bestie 💖
Didn't realize some people consider autistic people to be "less human." The heck! I do see a parallel to that in the show, though. In Pretension, Felix corrects Kagami when she says sentimonsters. So basically senti ≠ monster and autistic ≠ inhuman
Exactly! Even in the show the sentis are considered less than human
If adriens a sentimonster then the plot will thicken a lot
I'm autistic and have had similar thoughts on sentimonsters representing autism, but I actually really like the idea of it.
Awesome!
Yes, I'm sure I brought up I'm also autistic but don't really talk about it. Kagami and Felix being among my favorites here remind me of times I've tried interacting with others. Not so much being inhuman but thought there was something different about me since I'm not like everyone else. But I do have friends who are also autistic.
*writers casually taking notes from this video and last minute implementing this in the show*
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That’s what I was thinking lmao
I think we are giving this more thought than the writers ever did😂😂
Lol yeah 😂😂
My little sister is autistic and has dyslexia, she has a really hard time telling her feelings and deciphering What she’s feeling and what she’s not, and not gonna lie Kagami kinda reminds me of her so I totally agree with you! Whenever I’m visiting her(she lives on the other side of the world with my dad my older sister and my step mom) I can see that she has a hard time deciphering her feelings, she stumbles on her words and over all I just get reminded of Kagami a lot when I’m near her or I get reminded of her when I see Kagami in the show!
Ahhh that’s awesome!
It does annoy me that people misunderstand 'spectrum' as referring to the entire population rather than just autists.
Thank you so much for making this video, it may have basically been what I think, but its lovely to hear you explain it so well.
No problem bestie 🥰
Very interesting video, that's an interesting point of view ! As someone who is neurodivergent as well (I'm dyspraxic) I can totally relate to the need for representation (there is only a single canon dyspraxic character that I know of).
In my opinion it's not a coincidence that the three of them were strongly socially isolated for a good chunk of their life wich is going to impact their social skills (also raised by elitist parents and had to pick up lots of extracurricular activities which can make them anxious to mess up and disappoint others).
To me the whole creating a sentichild theme in the show is used as a magical metaphor to represent emotional abuse (or emotional neglect) and helicopter parenting with the amoks representing the tight control parents can have on their children in this case and impact their lives
there's definitely a lot of emotional abuse involved!
There’s an episode named Representation coming up in the end of this season. What if that episode showed representation of autism or representation of sentimonsters?
Maybe! I’d love it if it was!
I think the autistic code behaviour comes from the social awkwardness they have due to their upbringing rather than just being sentimonster. Interesting analysis though
29:50 I’m so sorry Haze. I’m really sorry. That makes me cry for you, we all love you and know autistic people are people too! I think I MAY be autistic too and I’m struggling about what to do, so I think this makes me cry that much more
Thank you bestie! 💖 hmm I would recommend getting an appointment with a doctor but I know it’s not always accessible depending on the country you’re in, so I’m here if you need support!
Thank you Haze!
I have autism and I once had someone tell me I don’t because I am able to speak for myself. I got really annoyed.
Same! This happened to me too!
I am German, I can confirm:
It's not pronounced like "asberjers" (kinda sounds French lol), but with a hard g as in "good".
oh no, I did not see how it could mean something in English, wow xD
Haze will be perpetually giggling to herself while explaining her diagnosis to others from this point forward in her life...
I think the diagnostic criteria is lacking in that it only relies on behaviors (which can be masked) than on how we think and process information, emotions, etc. (which can't be directly observed by others). I don't think like most people... I never have. But when the situation requires it, I can certainly blend in for a period of time (though it gets harder to do the more tired I get). Unfortunately, while growing up, I learned I needed to mask around everyone (even family) all the time lest I get "the look" -- you know the one, the one you get when you say something "inappropriate" and everyone else in the room side-eye each other. So even now that I'm trying to mask less, I still can't bring myself to take it off completely.
Very interesting video. I'm glad you talked about these subjects, I'm sure it would help many people understand what autism is in general :D
Thank you!
As someone with ASD a lot my friend say "that I dont ASD" or they say I have ADHD and it's just really annoying. Also one of my BFF when I told her said "Well thats not an excuse for your behavior, right" Yeah I got a little upset. They've gotten better at understanding what I need but as an example (i told her too) at sleepover her and one of my other best friends didn't listen to me to when I told them to quite down and it my fault for not moving to a different room when they didn't listen. Sry went a little rant.
its okay! i get it! it explains so much behaviour. they need to be more considerate
Love when you come up with theories like this. I just love the way people start looking at miraculous as mature show what it is. This season is getting darker I can't even imagine how dark will S6 be
i hope S6 will be dark!
@@hazeclarkeMe too!
My sister she is autistic and I know what it's been like for her because she's not really touchy-feely and she had a hard time making friends but she never really had the problem with people thinking that she was less Human.
Also I do think sentis are no different from humans.
A miraculous ambassador once said on twitter "A senti is a living thing born from raw human emotion mixed with the pure magic of a creature who is the representation of an abstract concept, then they develop a will of their own and make choices and you wonder what makes them different from humans ?"
In Pretension, Felix compares sentis to children that you have to raise and help find their own way.
Astruc himself said that if a senti is conceived to be like a human, it will BE human.
ah yeah sentis are meant to be the same! but it does worry me because idk to me it perpetuates the belief that autistic people aren't fully human
So when I was scrolling through my Instagram, I saw people who talked about their autism and what is like to be autistic after they got diagnosed. It made me think of you since you mentioned it several times in your videos and do want to get to know you outside of ML.
What I want to say is that you ARE a human with a bright smile and a big heart! ❤❤❤❤Whoever said "you aren't fully a human," then they SHOWED that they failed. They failed to understand you and they failed by not getting to know YOU as a person who has a genuine heart. Imagine if you told me that you are autistic in person, then I be like "oh... but you're still cool even if you have autistic." But... you are still the sweet person that I've seen in the whole miraculous channel on TH-cam. 😊😊
Thank you bestie 🥰 most people I meet don’t even bat an eyelid that I’m autistic but others do and it’s awful
@@hazeclarke I mean, it’s hurt when people said “they’re autistic, you shouldn’t be friends with them.” BUT it doesn’t excuse for their ignorance/behavior.
My question is if Kagami, Flex and Adrien are all senti-monsters, that means all of the Gabriel Agreste & friends' kids are senti-monsters why isn't Chloe a senti-monster. Shouldn't we also assume she must be a senti-monster, since her parents are friends of Gabriel Agreste?
I think she could be!
Ever sense I first watched this show(2016) I always loved and related to kagami so much and everyone always hated her for her bluntness and straightforwardness even tho those are usually signs of autism! I have never been diagnosed but I’m going to see a professional very soon!
Hope it all goes well bestie!
If being a senitmoster means being artistic I think is a cool thing to teach kids about being artistic.
Nice vid Haze, the topic of the video was quite fascinating. Also your jumper looked so cute!🤗
Thank you bestie! 🥰
I love your sweatshirt 😍 So cute!
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As for Kagami , One more thing I resonated with that wasn't mentioned here is that she is too focused on being the "perfect friend" and everything that doesn't fit that narrative leads to huge outbursts , guilt and doubt if your bestfriend actually loves you or not cus the literal same situation that happend with kagami happened to me over and over , the dialouge was so specific that I cried watching the ending where Kagami and marienette make up😢
oh my gosh yes completely!
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Thank you so much bestie you made me happy🥰! I hope you're doing well, too.
Fun fact, senti is derived from the spanish word sentire meaning a feeling and the origin on the word monster means to demonstrate or warn so the word senti monster means a demonstration of an emotion which is exactly what they are
Kinda unrelated but I just think it's really cool
oooo interesting! i didn't know that, so thank you!
Maybe this trio of sentis have autistic signs just because of the simple fact that they are all brought up the same way? Maybe nothing actually being related to being a sentimonster.
It could just be that their upbringings are all so similar because them sort of being magical creatures makes their parents scared to let them out into the world.
What do you think? And I don’t mean to dismiss that they weren’t born with it, i hope you understand what I mean
Definitely! I think it’s a factor. But imo Adrien is different enough from the other two that I think it’s less likely
Gorilla could be like Sheldon. Wouldn't that be interesting to see?
It would!
adrien is 100% autistic. His behavior in the first few episodes of the first season can be written off as "he was sheltered his entire life" but now you could say he already got the social cues he needed right ? Yet he still has those misunderstanding moments
Plus (storytime), growing up, I was sheltered all the time, because I was behaving weird - my parents would not want me to embarass them or myself, and I would always be scared of people, so they just...kept me in that close family circle and I barely had friends growing up because I sucked at socializing - because of that and because of my struggles to pick up social cues.
So yep i kinda relate to adrien on that point. And you cannot tell me he hadn't had a special interest in Ladybug because how did he fell out of love with her so easily in season 5 ? It was more like an obsession kind of attachment, and once again, I get it and can relate
lmaooo exactly! esepcially in penalteam, he just picks up the football, what is that about XD
Thank you so much for making this video it really means a lot to me!!!
I am also able to identify with a number of thsse characters because I have NvLD (Non-Verbal Learning Disorder) which shares many traits with forms of Autism and for a long time has been debated over whether it should be considered a part of the Spectrum.
My Mom also works with a lot of the "special ed" kids and she would agree with a lot of what you were saying. I really wish people would learn to not alienate the topic.
I'm so happy you liked the video!
I don't think that Adrien and Felix are THAT autistic and I'll tell you why. First of all, yes, let's say that Adrien, Felix and Kagami are sentis: but as example, Adrien really wanted to go out and make friends, the beginning of the show was really showing him and how he wants to "get in" and be like everyone else since he hasn't seen how ANYONE would ever interact with him... Same, I think, goes for Felix - look, since his father was a billionaire or something, he finished his school earlier than anyone else... He doesn't really know how to interact with people too (he might be a bit more autistic since we've seen his behavior with Kagami) and if you remember, I think, in episode Felix s3 ep20 or smth when Chat Noir told Felix that he doesn't have that much friends he made the "eye-roll" expression, which means he also knows about his loneliness but doesn't know how to make friends - the difference between Adrien and Felix in general.
Secondly, Kagami is worse (and more autistic) than them both.... Omg how I love her character and how I hate the fact that she is super locked from her mother that she couldn't even show her face out without telling her mother and asking her... Thanks to Marinette, everything was kinda fine, but for me Tomoe isn't EVEN THE SLIGHTEST BETTER than Gabe Babes.... She HAS the same problems as Felix and Adrien but worse... Because her mother was always in control of every movement she make....
I also have a theory about the *eventual* sentimonster hiding: what if they hid their kids because not that much they wanted to protect them but to hide them *maybe* from their parents because no one liked the fact that their kids are sentimonsters? I can't think of a better idea since they all hold their amoks safely... What do you think of all I said bestie?
I see what you’re saying but as I say in the video, I’m autistic and I’m the most like Adrien. I love making friends. Interesting idea about why they hid them!
The level of autism doesn't determine whether you want to make friends and fit in or not. That's determined by your personality and upbringing in general. There are a lot of people who are moderately or severely autistic who also want friends and to fit in.
I feel like that's what Amelie did with Felix; maybe she knew he's a Sentimonster & Felix knew too, & he told people he is a Sentimonster at school or something, then got bullied for it, so Amelie pulled him from school & the public to protect him.
This got Emilie anxious, so she began homeschooling Adrien to avoid similar conflict. As for Tamoe & Gabriel, I feel like they just homeschool their kids to avoid "tarnishing what they're made for".
@@amandamakin1542 I thought that they said in the show that Adrien was homeschooled his whole life...
Hello, not sure if you remember me. But, previously I have told you that I'm autistic, and a British male early teen, but yes. A lot of people definitely think autistic people are not human. In my Secondary School, I was getting along just fine, UNTIL I mentioned I was autistic. My 'friends' started to treat me differently, and eventually left me on my own, and a lot of people started bullying me. I talked to two other autistic people, and realised the bullies in my school only targeted people on the spectrum, because they obviously think we're not fully human. Which is just totally stupid, and ridiculous.
oh gosh im so sorry that happened to you. it happened to me too. i didn't get diagnosed until i was 18 and i wasn't sure if i should tell people at first so the friends i made at university didn't know. and when they did, some of them shunned me. it was horrible
@@hazeclarke It's fine, and I'm sorry that happened to you. I've learnt to deal with it, eventhough sometimes it's too much to bare.
28:00 haha yeah that’s EXACTLY what I was thinking lol
Hey Haze, so I’m a bit confused, it is possible to sort of “gain” autism? I was a little confused when you were talking about how their upbringings, and how that could have fostered their autism. Or do you just mean that their upbringings make their autism even more intense? Thanks! I hope you understand i don’t mean to be offensive or ignorant, or anything
It’s definitely a possibility you can gain autistic traits due to upbringing - particularly if you’re brought up my an autistic parent - and certain life experiences and influence can make certain traits better or worse. Like I’ve always been encouraged to socialise and I quite like it but prior to that I hated it. Different things effects it!
omg Haze have you played Pokemon! (The shirt is so cute!!
I have! Eevee is my favourite 💖 no problem bestie 🥰
@@hazeclarke which games have you played?!
Mainly the older ones!
@@hazeclarke I’ve played mostly all the ones after Black and white. Reshiram is my precious.
Fired Red is my fav
Sentimonsters and autism:
Actually it makes sense because blue is the color of Autism Speaks. And the peacock miraculous is blue just like the hero costume and the kwami. Just a thought 🤔
Oh god not autism speaks. They’re awful
@@hazeclarke is this so bad? 😅 didn't mean to offend you. Sry 😅 it was just a thought. It's not because of the community itself. I only talk about the color because to a lot of autisic people, blue has a calming effect
@@Little.Janette oh you didn't offend me! it's just that they're kind of a hate group who want a cure for autism 😅
@@hazeclarke ohhhhh. That's awful 😅😅😅
The most bullshit thing I was taught about autism was that “you will eventually outgrow it”. I am 27 years old, I never have outgrown autism. It’s shit, because if you outgrow it, you never had it in the first place.
Omg wtf?!
I love your video, really interesting, i didn t thought about three of them being autistic until your video (i saw it with Kagami)and it is really interesting because it shows that every autistic is diferent and not to stereotype a person
I recomend to SEE the anime komi can t comunícate it describes perfectly juleka and she has a communication disorder
I know ir is enoying to SEE allá Sheldon Cooper but however with the exageración of the lack of social skills helps to make aware of this and to try to understund people with this desorden and help them instead of making fun of them.
I really like the show atypical, the character is not super clever, he is an artist and he is trying to fit...
I hope to SEE more videos with this kind of análisis i loved it!
thank you so much!
I haven't been diagnosed with autism yet . But I'd like too
I’m not autistic, but I totally agree
I love that shirt it's so cute.☺
Thank you 🥰
Autism children go brrrrrrr
In all seriousness (other than Donnie from TMNT 2018) Kagami is the most relatable character to me because that face she makes in Ikari Gozen? Yeah that’s just my face when I forget to overthink every little movement I make so I don’t look like serial killer, and her asking the oddly specific questions? Oh wait what is the first thing I do when I meet someone again… oh right I either ask what their favorite color is or go off on a tangent about Bluey (hey look it’s better than reciting bad jokes out of a book my grandma gave me like when I was 7).
In conclusion I not only have an extreme emotional attachment to Kagami but Adrien and Felix as well, and this stupid show that I don’t even like is not supposed to give me more fictional children.
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Hey, Bestie! What are your thoughts on the Miraculous Webisodes? Are you going to make a separate video for it?
Not sure yet!
Can't wait to hear your opinions on it if you do decide to make a video on it!
I started my autism assessment back in 2020 like September time and then the doctor forgot to put anything forward until like November last year so now we have up to like 18 months longer to wait it’s so annoying but hey I’d rather find out if I do then not know ever
ah yeah it's such a long process
@@hazeclarke too long
Going to go make some brownies and then not eat them because I want to share with my friends for work I might just make a double batch because I want to share with some of my friends after church on Sunday.
Oooo sounds fun!
Episode 10 and 11 haven’t aired in America yet.
I'm really sorry those people said that to you bestie, that's not acceptable at all. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
This video was super interesting though, as an autistic person I can relate to Adrien and Kagami a lot (for me personally) especially towards Kagami in Ikari Gozen when she struggles to make friends, even though she really wants to.
I completely agree with you about it being a bad idea having all the sentimonsters being autistic, it could definitely increase the stigma and we don't need anymore of that 😅
Having Adrien &/or Luka as autistic representation would be very refreshing as it's not the stereotype!
thank you so much bestie! they would defintiely be better, since they don't fit the stereotype
Adrien was the first character i suspect that he could be a senticreature before they said there are three sentis and also the first one i assumed to be autistic and for a long time i was searching the web to see does anyone else thinks like me or not and i also think felix and kagami could be autistic because of their similarities to adrien but being autistic just proves sentis are real and developed just like babies in the womb cause it's a combination of imperfection and perfection it's hard to tell but i think it's true also myleene and rose could be autistic as well but they have a lower chance
Plus being human or not is not the case in sentis it's existing and my points prove that they do exist
I also had a theory that sentis may never die so it goes like this you may purify the amok but if later in time you use it for the same creation and I think that's why felix cried so hard he could recreate his senti ever again or so he thought because he thought it was dangerous they will remember the first time so there are two circumstances either you should use the same amok or you just need intention
P.S: Being human is more shame than honor looking back at the man kind history
not me thinking "luka should be included in this" and then seeing him halfway thru the video xD
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I can't belive that there are people who would say so horrible things like you not being human. That's so rude and wrong... :O
I'm so sorry! That's just so stupid, like why would they say that, it's so rude and dumb....
Sorry, people like that just make me so mad! ^^''
Btw. I love your shirt :D So cute
Honestly idk. Why anyone thinks that’s okay to say is disgusting
I'm curious if there's any characters with Autism who ISN'T a Sentimonster in Miraculous.
I feel like Marinette shows some traits (both positive & negative traits) & as far as we know, she isn't a Sentimonster.
Then there's Placide I.T (Gorilla) & he has a possible speech impairment & has an obsession towards action figurines. Some types of traits I am sure. He's a better father figure than Gabriel.
And I hope Gabriel isn't one of the autistic characters (especially if he's the ONLY one with it), because that would be awkward.
I have myself been diagnosed with it. As an Autistic individual, I was super offended when a PETA advertisement said "milk causes Autism" like it is a disease.
Autism is not a disease, but more of an interesting thing.
There are (& have been) been famous people who have it (such as musicians, artists, scientists, etc.), & in some cases, they wouldn't be where they are without it.
Also, thank you for making it clear that Autism isn't contagious, isn't a disease & it cannot be cured (& should not, honestly).
I would actually like it if Miraculous goes over this topic & shows people what it is & how that person is still a person, & especially if it also focuses on coping methods & the positive side of it.
I definitely think some of the nin-sentis could be! Omg the PETA advert said what?! That’s awful! I love being autistic and it makes me who I am ☺️ I really hope one of the characters ends up being autistic!
it's fine if you disagree with me, bestie, but we operate on a basis of besties don't always agree with each other, but we always respect each other. Please be more respectful when commenting
@@hazeclarke Did I do something wrong? If so, I'm sorry 😞
I love your sweatshirt Haze
Thank you bestie 💖
@@hazeclarke your welcome
Haze is a senti-monster
where did u get that sweatshirt from? 👀😁
Pixel plug!
I’ve been thinking about something while I was watching this video, what if Zoe has autism, because I know one of the autism trait is that they like to do what they love (like for an example: kagami like to do fencing) and Zoe likes acting or filming.
Maybe! I don’t think that alone would make her autistic
Non-autistic people also have passions.
@@hazeclarkeI agree! Haze, you go! Live life to the full and embrace yourself! Our illnesses are a part of us but do not define us. I might possibly be autistic, but on the lower spectrum, I don't want a test done however, but I'm also LGBT! I feel if the show was representing these things they should have done it clearly and not by queerbaiting/ simply representing autism through the senti theory. Do you support LGBT and what are your opinions on more LGBT movies and shows for young people, like strange world? I acc think it's necessary to stop homophobia and this is a good way to do it as kids should be raised to be accepting.
Title: are sentimonsters autistic? Thumbnail: max and juleka too
lol it’s to exhibit that other non sentient characters arguably show autistic traits
Why are you giving a charcther you dont like a headcannon?
Because I can?
I dont think there are any autistic characters in the show thomas is just neruogivdenet baiting
That’s fine! This is just my opinion
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I love you video i agree with you that sentmonsters are represented autistic people.💜🐞🐈⬛🌈🏳️🌈🐉🦚
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Marinettes actions are very extradited even compared to the other charcters and mirclous is about emotions so it wouldn't make sense if the creators didn't make a neruogivdenet main charcter right ? Answer me soon
Marinette’s behaviour is often more exaggerated but I think it’s done for humour rather than because she’s neurodivergent
@@hazeclarke but if she is senory sekker it mean she has spd which already makes her neruogivdenet and you can't just make a show about emotions without including a neruogivdenet and Thomas hinted marinette being neruogivdenet on Twitter he lirteraly said great anlyaliz when some someone made a post about marinette having adhd so why say that if he is not going to make have asd adhd both or another disdoer plus it depends on where you do your research but anxiety is conseried neruogivdenet why Thomas hint at marinette being neruogivdenet on Twitter if she isn't neruogivdenet? Answer me soon I need to know the answer soon
@@hazeclarke marinette can't be neruotypicial if Thomas hinted at her being neruogivdenet on Twitter that her biggest flaw is that she can't control her emotions that she is really smart sees things in patterns was shy before she got bullied but became more shy due to the bullying and that's a post about her having adhd is great post/anyaizis so she is probably neruogivdenet no denying that anymore okay ? Answer in about 10 or 11 minutes nothing more than that okay ?
@@hazeclarke this show is about emotions why wouldn't they make a neruogivdenet charcter ? Answer me soon no answer me right now okay ?
@@hazeclarke answer me
I agree