I’m gonna need a season 3 premier by the end of the year/beginning of next year before I believe all those claims that we won’t suffer like we did with this season
If you think its amazons call and not inept producers being unable to deliver sub par animation.. when fuutrama and simposns and family guy and american dad and whtever else were spitting out 15-20 episodes a year... well you are quite mistaken
I've seen plenty of talk and buzz about it. It just didn't have any massive "break the internet" moments like Nolan killing the Guardians or Nolan beating down Mark, and it didn't need them either.
It was a very good season, but like you said there weren't many shocking or overly climatic moments. The only "weakness" this season has is that it is more set up for the truly epic things to come.
Totally see what you mean. For me, that lizard league fight was that moment for me this season. This season felt like it focused more on the emotional weight all these characters shoulder and developed them enough to pull at our heartstrings when something insane pops off.
Tbh, this season was mainly setup. After this point, season 3 is where shit gets real. Like, if anyone read chainsaw man, you could equate what's gonna go down in season 3 to what happened during chainsaw man after the bomb girl arc. In other words, expect chainsaw man ass pacing fr.
Cecil is such an underrated character this season. We see bits of humanity and compassion from him, but they're always covered by a veil of uncertainty. You want to believe he cares about the other characters, especially Mark, Debbie, and Donald, but you just can't trust him. Every interaction, word, and action has to be analyzed and I love it. We see a lot of his softer side but even then it might just be an act. I can't even blame the guy since he's up against random bullshit every other minute. Super secret government leader type characters are always either cold assholes or cool badasses. Cecil is such an interesting character.
I like the character of Cecil but people make him sound a lot more cloak and dagger than he has shown himself to be so far in the show. Every time he shows a softer side, it's played as genuine and does he ever really take advantage of people's trust in him? When he does manipulate people he doesn't even seem to hide it, he makes snide remarks like telling Mark his mom will just _love_ taking care of her ex-husband's new kid.
Its pretty clear that Cecil cares for his friends and employees on a personal level, but also that he would lie to and sacrifice all of them without blinking of it were for the good of the world and then have a cry about it later but not regret it one bit.
They did a very good job with the Nick Fury/Amanda Waller type that he is. In season 1 he was just kind of an asshole that would do anything for what he thought was the greater good; this season you really see him flinch more and open up a bit and I like that.
Totally on the Mark and Amber stuff. I thought they'd ended like four episodes in a row and each time it was like "oh... they're still together? They're still having the same conversation as last time but haven't actually... ended it yet?" Felt real weird
Because in the comics he ended it as soon as he got back from space with sequids, because it wasn't fair to her, him being away so much. He also came back to her chilling in her room with some dude.
@@Neo.Jordon Yeah, so happy they cut that thing out, it painted Mark in a really ugly light... And of course, the way said dude turned out in the end wasn't all that pretty either...
100% agree about getting more voice actors, it was getting really noticeable how many characters have the same voice actor as new characters were introduced
I’m bad with names but Amazon Prime Video has a feature that lets you see who the voice actors are in every scene and once you start consistently looking at it you realize that like 10 characters are voiced by the guy who voices The Immortal
Yep, I honestly feel like she was written WORSE in early season 2 just because of that. Instead of addressing the problem from season 1, they swept it under the rug and turned Amber into a different character, hoping that people would ignore it or forget. It just feels weird. Thankfully it resolved really well, but still.
I do like Rex’s development but I do think having him have such a change after being shot in the head was weird . If I was shot in the head I think I’d be a worse person after. Or I feel they should of given him more of a disability to adapt to after it, like he doesn’t even have a speech impediment.
@@felixowen2693it depends on the person really. Like I for one would probably be a better person solely because I'd be so grateful I'm still alive after getting shot in the head and make me rethink on my past actions.
@@felixowen2693 He was trying to be better before hand. Its obvious when he went to speak to Eve, although he wasnt perfect and wanted to slack off. But getting shot made him realise how fragile everything is
@@crimsoneclipse0618 no I mean I’m pretty sure losing parts of your brain result in aggression. Idk it might depend on what part of your brain goes away. Unless he was lobotomised and just chill.
I'm currently starting S2 from the beginning after just finishing the last episode to see if the change in pacing changes how I perceive the story. I enjoyed the season, but it felt disjointed, and some plot points seemed out-of-the-blue, but I suspect that's because I watched S2 weekly as the episodes came out.
@@JuliusCheeser223I just forgot about it tbh and then just saw they came back and was like oh nice. Plus bad batch season 3 came out soon after the mid season break.
Look a little deeper. Amber isn't understanding at all, it's still all about her. Post graduation, when they meet in the tree house? William says something goofy, Mark broods, Eve makes a short comment about helping with cleanup - and Amber goes into far too much detail about her helping out at the shelter. The talk between Mark and Art about girls? Amber is perfect and deserves better. Hell, she is so perfect that she feels guilty for stealing Mark's time away from people he could save. The damn BREAK UP scene they had makes Amber sound like the most entitled character in the entire show.... Imagine that wasn't Mark she was giving this speech to. imagine that was literally any other dude who has a dangerous profession, getting lectured by his girlfriend how him going out and doing something important makes her feel like she is bereft of "agency". I didn't think they could make that character worse, but somehow, they managed...
@JohnJohnson27-cs6ix Oh, great, the genius has arrived. go on, get it over with, tell me how I am stupid for discussing a fictional character and how its just a comic....
@@Alexander_Kale I don't think people think you're stupid for discussing a fictional character, if any of us thought that we wouldn't be here. It wasn't a "lecture." She was expressing her feelings. I think they said you have a problem because what you said indicates an inability to empathize and recognize that feelings aren't "right or wrong," they're just feelings. Someone isn't bad for expressing how they feel. And the way they feel isn't "wrong" either. She is, literally, bereft of agency - in 2 ways. First she feels she cannot express how she feels not because Mark is doing something dangerous; but, because Mark is doing something of UNIVERSAL importance. This strips her of her agency in the relationship, as she can never dictate terms without feeling guilty. Second, she lacks any physical agency because she can be squashed like a bug at any second. Realizing that would mess with anyone. She isn't entitled, she's human.
@@SydGhosh "any of us thought that we wouldn't be here" - you might be surprised at how often that turns out to not be true. I swear, it is a universal law or something. Whenever some fans are discussing their respective fandom on the internet, some smooth brain butts in doing EXACTLY what you just described.... That said: "This strips her of her agency in the relationship" which is the dumbest thing anyone can possibly say. It is off the scale, indisputably, inconceivably incorrect. Thank you for making my point for me.
I’m okay with Mark trying live normal through the season because it shows how different he is from the other Marks we saw and why he won’t turn,also… Conquest will wake him up next season 😅
Nah fr in the comic she literally is just depressed for half the thing and her story revolves around Nolan, she actually has gown to be her own person which is hella cool
Sandra Oh deserves a lot more credit for making Debbie such a compelling character. She is on the same level as Jk Simmons and Steven Yuen in terms of voice acting imo.
One thing I would like to see is her alcoholism because the attention it gets it the show is mixed, like sometimes it feels it’s played for comedy, so I can’t tell if they will actually dive into it because I wish they would, when she blames mark for Nolan leaving I thought that was super interesting and which a few tweaks could be a insanely good moment where Debbie isn’t just a victim that needs to overcome her situation but also inner own way a bad person that needs to improve herself beyond getting over what other people do.
Totally forgot about the show but your thumbnail reminded me the second half had been released. Thank you, would have totally forgot about it for a while otherwise lol. Spot on about the bleakness vs hope theme. A good superhero fantasy inspires heroism. A great superhero show includes the flaws and cynicism of the world. The best superhero story should ground itself in the bleakness and challenges of the world but inspire hope in spite of them.
Season 2 is good but not nearly as strong story-wise as the first season. This season is essentially dealing with all of the aftermath of season 1, which isn't necessarily a bad thing because it's good to have the character breathe and really feel the impact of what they went through. However, in season 1 you could definitely feel the build up as to where the season was leading ultimately culminating in the last two episodes of the season being full on epic. Season 2 ultimately feels like it is suppose to be a bridge just to get the audience from season 1 to season 3 which is where it suffers. Once all the seasons are out and viewers can continue straight through, I think season 2 will get more shine but all of the breaks did a massive disservice for this season.
For me Nolan was a mystery I didn’t know why he was doing things and each episode made me believe he was evil but I was never worried about mark shocked but not worried. Levy was finding ways to kill mark only showing up a few times but I was always wondering when he would show up and who was working with him I unlike Nolan who was evil levy was insane and his moments with marks mom had me so worried for her and the baby
i really wish i was a fly on the wall during the meeting in which amazon decided it would be a great idea to split an 8 episode season in half with a 4 month hiatus in between, it literally killed the momentum of the series :/
I agree with you increased size thigh streamer that I watch, it’s kinda hard to get into a good series when all the build up and investment is broken from a 4 month hiatus, not to mention this season felt like it needed to be way more than 8 episodes. Like 15 or 20 episodes at least because so much stuff like Angstrom or Mark’s relationships or Nolan and the Viltrumites are all crammed in way too badly
It probably went something like "man these strikes are kinda actually hurting our profits, so while we have to wait for the last episodes to be finished, how about we delay a few more months to release them until we roll out the ads system at the end of the tax year & add that premium tier? We can guarantee multiple months of subscriptions and take advantage of Spider-Verse being delayed and Marvel & DC slowing down their releases! We'll be the only new superhero property airing for everyone to watch and we'll rake in billions!"
It's a theory that I haven't seen that many people talk about, but I think the break was a result of Amazon spreading out content because of the strikes. Because they were intent on not paying people for months, they decided to spread things out, since for the last few months, they've only had 1 big show running at a time
@@pooppoop8142 Invincible is one of their most popular shows. The other shows were probably already slated for a specific time and to reverse wouldn't have been worth it.
Honestly really disappointed by that. I was okay with Rex surviving because he was by far the most interesting guy in that triplet, then I was shocked yet happy with Shrink Ray surviving. Then by the very end Kate returns and I'm like wtf
@@_AmusedByMusic_I mean… Kate being alive makes sense, but it’s literally thrown in at the last second to give Immortal a reason to not be so fucking miserable
Think Amazon! Your release schedule will outlast the attention of every insignificant subscriber on Prime! You'll live to see the excitement crumble to dust and blow away! The hype and the momentum WILL BE GONE. What will you have after a 109 day hiatus?!
The show didn't lose it's hype though...it was getting 100k+ views in just a couple of hours on YT, a lot of people were talking about it on twitter, and agent spider increased the attention around it too...oh and it became #1 on prime.
3:20 I believe Mark´s arc is about him trying his hardest to convince himself that he´s not his dad, that he´s not capable of losing control no matter what the universe throws at him. Even if his mom and boss insist that he´s not him, Mark never truly accepts this. As Mark said to Darkwing´s sidekick : -You have no idea what im capable of. 3:50 thats kinda the point tho, Mark really doesnt wanna turn into a super-soldier that does Cecil´s dirty work. That´s why he wanted to make it work, to look for alternatives so superhero´ing isnt his go to, but Mark cant help himself. If he has the ability to help people, he will go where Cecil tells him to, because at the end of the day, there are lives at stake.
fully agree. While his arc is a bit similar to last season's he's trying to figure out how he can NOT just be a superhero. Last season was about him balancing being a hero and normal since he had to live the double life but now he has to choose.
Plus, it shows that Mark is similar to Nolan in more ways than the whole finale dilemma. He has superhero-ing built into his blood BECAUSE of his dad. It's why I believe that's the major thing that made Mark a hero in this universe. In most, his dad was probably more open with his Viltrumite side which influenced him to be more like "his people". Interesting stuff imo!
@@lukedevlin5948 "If it is natural to kill, why do men have to go into training to learn how?" - John Baez There is an ocean of difference between a revenge power fantasy daydream, and the reality of taking a life, regardless of the external pressure. If there wasn't, PTSD wouldn't be a thing and all veterans would be well adjusted.
@@mcmosfet2856 fair point, can’t say I have killed anyone, but equally in a situation of not only self defence but defence of my family I can’t say I would have any regret of putting down a deranged psychopath. But maybe mark is scarred from the image of angstroms face as a soup. I just think he comes off as weak as opposed to resilient by the end when there’s a much bigger battle ahead of him
3:51 The college stuff made sense to me, remember its the one bit of normalcy Mark has left everything else he has to deal with is either superhero stuff or world ending viltrimite stuff so at the end of the season when he decided to drop out its fairly obvious that its not a decision he wants to make its one he is being forced to make. Mark always wanted to be a superhero and he got his wish monkey's paw style in that it cost him everything else. Him wanting to go to college was symbolic of that, or atleast thats my interpretation.
I'm kinda worried Amazon is gonna pull the plug after season 3. If this series is going to cover everything in the comics than that's at least 8+ seasons of Animation, and if Season 3 is going to end where I think it is, it's gonna be a little bit before we get back in the action. I can see the end of Season 3 being a big dropping off point for many casual viewers as the show gets more weirder and more involved in their plots, similar to what happened to The Walking Dead (which is ironic lol)
I was, but at the same time, I understand that the streaming model is collapsing, so if they don't put in ads, either they jack up the prices or cut content to meet their quarterly goals. Granted they're going to do all those things anyway, but if ads slow down the process, I'll take the small win where I can.
thats why they did a split in the season, the first part didnt have ads and then the second part did. Cant even watch fallout without ads now, how much money does amazon fucking need man?
I was also floored by the fight in the atom eve OVA thingy. i saw a clip of the fight on yt and immediately watched the whole thing. I like how she is a foil to mark because her backstory is about being ostracized for her powers and them being a problem, while mark was basically raised as a superhero.
@@madtitan0825 i think she just learned to use them more effectively because in her episode, she was using her powers for the 1st time so she was creative with them but as she grew up she found simpler ways to deal with enemies remember how much collateral damage was there in her episode?
it didn't even feel like it was a full second season. the second half of the hiatus introduced so many new characters and arcs, that it felt a lot was left unresolved.
The best part of their "hiatus" is that they didn't even announce the show coming back, I had to find out because people were posting spoilers it made me think "oh hey, invincible's back" instead of the 4th episode making me think "wow! I can't wait for episode 5 in 4 months!"
The college part for Mark was something I couldn't get invested in mainly because why is he there? What's his major? What's his future other than a hero? These questions popped up because why is Mark trying so hard to go to college? Is it solely for amber or is he actually interested in something? So far with season 1 we saw him want to be a super hero so badly and with season 2 him controlling himself and showing people in charge that he can be trusted. So, what's up with him trying to stay in college and for what?
because we wanted to be something other than just Invincible the Viltrumite. He didn't want to be like Batman where Bruce Wayne is basically non-existent.
Marcus is like the 4th or 5th person I've heard say the Atom Eve special fight was on another level. Goes to show when you only have to animate one episode, you can put your all into it.
I have watched so many great superhero fight scenes but the Bridge fight in the atom eve special is Great. It's one of the best, if not THE best. I love how it was animated, the music, the camera angles, the choreography. Chef's Kiss.
The storyboard artist they hired for that segment boarded the whole thing like they were doing key animation, which is why the movement felt more dynamic. I wish they would spend the time and money on artists like him who are willing to go harder in storyboards like that.
To be fair to amazon, I think they did not know it would take this long to create season 2 and were worried that waiting too long would kill the hype entirely so they hoped to give us something in the waiting period
Rex went through a huge redemption arc in season 2 and it made me like rex. Also everyone including Angstrom’s actor did a stellar job with S2 Also the agent spider josh keaton cameo, I liked it
@@lorenzo5488Nah, the animation is generally better than season one as season one had way more janky animation than season two. Just go back and rewatch how janky episode four of the first season was and no episode in season two ever dips to that low of quality. Where season one was better was the direction as I think overall, season two isn’t nearly as well directed as season one, especially when it comes to fight scenes.
@@DefMM123 he was set up right at the beginning to be the big bad, then disappeared for the entire season, came back being petty as fuck, such a waste of time
@@Matty002 Avatar, Spectacular Spider-Man, Teen Titans, Ben 10, ninja turtles, samurai jack, arcane. Like a lot of western shows have fighting in them, especially kid shows.
Love the point you make around 8:00 - from the time I read Invincible I always saw it as the reconstructionist superhero story. Like okay, we've had all the stories about how living in a superhero world wouldn't be the four-colour fantasy of the golden and silver ages. How heroes wouldn't really be heroic. Now here's how they *could*, while still retaining the realism.
This season genuinely had me crying at multiple points throughout the season and I'm glad I waited for the entire season to come out before binge watching it, I don't think it would've had the same impact on me if I watched the first part and then waited for the second part.
I really wish the explored why Mark was so hellbent on going to college. Like in season1 he says hes always wanted to be a hero, so why does he care about college so much? It isnt a plot hole but it's something i think they should have brought up more
Their *real* reasoning for the mid-season break was to 1. Work on season 3 during the break, to get it released earlier, and 2. Apparently Amazon implemented commercials to its standard tier of Amazon Video subscriptions. Guess when that happened? Inbetween the hiatus. You can avoid the commercials, with an added fee of course. I remember when they said that they wanted the fans to “Digest what they saw in episode 4” during the break but like, dude, whats there to comprehend or digest? You painted it quite clearly.
Dude invincible is so good that me and my friend basically forced our friends who weren't into it to watch season 2 with us and within an episode or two they were just as into it as we were. I even got one friend to read the comics. The release schedule is undoubtedly wack but invincible is still the best American animated show currently ongoing.
They better not repeat the same eight episode's split in season three. Especially if they adapt the important narrative after Mark defeated Angstrom Levi.
i think i know why amazon waited 3 months to release. after logging in to watch season 2 of invincible, i only noticed 1 big difference, ADS. amazon waited to drop the rest of the season cuz they just rolled out their new advertising-free subscriptions. sneaky.
This show is the definition of a scattered plot. It feels like an entire show made of filler arcs, with not enough time dedicated to actually making us interested in anything beyond the first season
Am i the only person who was surrounded by people who were actively watching and wnjoying? Hell my socials have even been blowing up with invincible content
I kind of like that everyone is voiced by king Ezequiel, azula, or the guy with one arm from the walking dead. I think it’s funny every time I notice it
I liked when they had the little joke about cutting corners in animation, and then later in the episode when Mark and Amber have their big resolution, they focus on all the things they said they ignore when they're trying to save time and cut corners. Was a really nice touch 👍
I fully expected mark to come back to the planet terrified of the viltrumites and break up with amber because he needs to prepare the planet. But idk. Instead of prepare the planet, he strengthens it
100% agree about Mark. I'm not sure why he loves Amber that much or cares about college when he is busy dealing with aliens on other planets, that of course he was going to inevitably go away from her. I mean the part where he looked at Amber for the last time wasn't that emotional but only for the context of dealing with killing.
I hate how defanged and non flawed Amber is this season, she's so fucking boring because they're so afraid of people disliking her, it really sucks. All that was needed was an in show acknowledgement of her being in the wrong for how she acted despite knowing he's invincible, maybe have her apologise, not take away her personality
The only issue I have is that its complete whiplash from how her character was in Season 1. She went from hating Mark for lying to her and not prioritizing her to now being walked all over. Idk, it would’ve worked better if in Season 1 she found out by herself but is supportive of him at first, then as Season 2 progresses we see the relationship start to falter and we see her start getting more irritable and sad. It would kind of parallel what Debbie goes through but Mark, unlike his dad, would cut the relationship off before it gets to that point.
My biggest problem with the animation is that everything is light up. there are no shadows. Im tired of how bright this show is, where does all this light come from.
Bro I watched the first half then waited forever for the second half of season 2 to come out and forgot about it by the time it did, and never heard it came out.
Agreed with literally all of your points, but AMEN to the needing new voice actors bit. I will agree I have an ear that can pick up similar voices a LOT, but damn if it isn't distracting as all hell. ESPECIALLY with Amazon's X-Ray feature pointing out just how many characters Grey Delisle or Ross Marquand are playing in one scene. Having Ross voice both Rudy and Immortal knowing they'd have this many scenes together especially has been driving me crazy.
They literally sound nothing alike though, so what’s the issue? Seriously, is everyone forgetting it’s not uncommon for voice actors to have multiple roles in the same show? Animation allows for shit like that, and as long as the voice actors are good there really isn’t an issue. And so far, none of the Invincible voice actors have been remotely bad or mediocre.
Yeah I, too, hope they make the fights incredibly tedious talk-fests where nothing happens for 3 episodes and we constantly cut to every single character's reaction to each energy blast and punch-through-a-mountain
I think they should lean into Agent Spider and give him a mini series. It could give fans a “Spiderman” esq show that actually feels fresh and more grown up than MCU Spiderman and even continue the Spectacular Spiderman tv show in a tongue in cheek way.
I think they missed the mark...(sure, pun intended), by not having this Mark be an alt/variant. It would've shown how easy it would be for him to give into his Viltrimite nature. Ik Amazon have a thing with tweaking their comic source material and it's appreciated (eg The Boys) but so far Invincible seem to be missing something that other properties already do for me. Maybe it's the social commentary (The Boys/Gen V), balancing hero/home life (Spider-Man), battling alien nature (Superman/Goku/etc), etc. I like the show alot but it's missing something.
I started watching season two when It came out and really liked it. Then I forgot the show existed and wouldn’t have watched the rest if I didn’t see your video. Don’t know why they split it, there are probably more people like me who haven’t finished the season because they just forgot about it.
Here is another thing about invcible, is the edgyness adds to it instead of just being a shock value thing, like you see what probably would happen with crazy superpowers, also the showrunners dont assault your eyes with crazy stuff all the time
As a fan of the comic and masterpiece of a cartoon. Yes. I think it was robert kirkman's decision to delay the show. Glad im not the only person that thinks grey delise's voice got distracting. She can only do 4 voices.
Only massive problem I have with this season is Omni-Man's ridiculous, extraordinarily change from total murderous psychopath to nice guy on a freaking DIME, literally several months time. Maybe the comic did that far better, I don't know, don't read comics, but he had a wife and son for DECADES on Earth and it barely had any effect on him at all, yet he leaves Earth, gets a new wife and son, and suddenly he's totally changed??! "I think I miss my wife." - who wrote this shit? Do they think people work that way, like there's a switch in every mass murdering psycho's mind you can just flip?
Ah yes, Nolan loving Mark so much that it lead to him abandoning his mission obviously showed that his time on Earth had barely any effect on him. Season 2 Nolan didn't change, he was coming to terms with his change.
@@Peasham That's not much of a change, sorry. He stull murdered tons of people and was willing to murder millions more to get his way. The only person he could not bring himself to kill was his son, and that's only because psychopaths very often have any feelings at all *_only_* for their offspring (and usually only those of the same sex), because they see them as an extension of themselves. And themselves are the only person they are able to empathize with.
@@Christobanistan What "isn't" much of a change? There wasn't A change in the first place, Season 2 Nolan is an extension of Season 1 Nolan, and you thinking that he only cared about Mark and no one else is cute, but it is contradicted and proven wrong in season 2.
@@Christobanistanyou don't understand nolan character, he's not the le bad guy, he's a soldier who was bred for war and lived in a culture that worshipped that type of thing for 2 thousand years, his time on earth did change him and showed him new ways of experience life like actually being a protector instead of just destroying everyone, but he's still a 2 thousand years old soldier so of course all his training and ideology he cultivated would override the "fake life" he had on earth and push him to conquer the people, but he realized he was wrong through his son, very luke and darth vader type of scenario
3:55 Not only he has a fucking Viltrumite invasion to deal with, but he knows he'll live for thousands of years, he can literally go to college for a century and get a degree in everything he has a mildy interest in, if he manage to stop the major problems he has right now so the world isn't conquered or worse.
@@drakon1124 I know, but if you are the best line of defense of your entire planet, and you are still not strong enough to fight against one soldier from the army that threatens it. You probably should focus on urgent matters before your personal desires.
He's a teen / young adult dude, what you say is 100% factual but at that age you either don't realize or think you can have the cake with the cherry on top. plus he has a lot to deal with, so when he has times in-between saving the world he probably wanna enjoy life. Which he can't factual speaking, but he doesn't realize it
I appreciate the meta humor when Mark visits the comic nerd convention type thing and gets exposition dumped about how to save money on animation so there can be more nice battle sequences while they employ and highlight the tricks talked about.
It took me a long time to get back on track but it was well worth it. Loved everything about this season. Though they may be rushing a bit to much now? I don't know, didn't expect to see Kate back so early but I'm not complaining. Loved how Rex really got the spotlight. Also love how they are teasing Eve x Mark. Debbie is obviously one of the best characters.
I'm just curious if Rex's voice actor is actually gonna voice older robot. he did it in the finale and it was a little jarring to hear the guy typecast as the dumb jock asshole play an intelligent character for once lmao
Idk how the adaption of season 3 is gonna work, but I'm gonna need you to expect some chainsaw man ass pacing. If u don't know what that is, read it, but if you need context basically crazy shit is going to start happening back to back and honestly this season was meant to set a new status quo only to do some crazy shit.
@@ScripFing Well, that was the universe without Mark. So we don't really know what'll happen with Rex/Robot, but if it follows anything like the comics, it sorta makes sense for Rex to take the mantel of Robot.
The Eve/Mark teasing was kind of awkward. Having her future version fly in and insist that he tell her young self that he loves her... that is the weirdest most awkward way to begin a romance. I'm sorry, that kind of sucks the romance right out. I know it ain't gonna happen, but Rex and Eve kinda seem like they'd be the more interesting pair.
Mark being fixated on collage for.. reasons.. was the most confusing thing to me. He never articulates why it matters to him beyond staying with his girlfriend.
I think it was a desperate cling for some normalcy in his life. The ending is him finally accepting he can't live that normal life and that he's now all in on the superhero life.
I'm glad someone put it into words how Amber was written this season. I really did expect her to just look straight at the camera and say "see guys, I'm not *that* bad"
This season felt very crammed too me. A lot of stuff like the alternate universe or Angstrom or the viltrumites don’t get to be seen a lot or explained because of how crammed this season is for 8 episodes, and 4 of them are split up. A hour of an episode isn’t nearly enough to show all the stuff they build up and show, I really felt this with episodes 2, 4 and 7. We barely got any explanation on Angstrom, we saw him in like episode 1 and 2 and then he was gone for the whole season before were suddenly reminded of him in episode 7, and then he “dies” in episode 8. Clearly not enough content. And I’ve read the comics and there are some content that would’ve taken place in this season that they straight up skipped just to cram it all. Which really sucks because they had over 2 years to do this
Amazon ain’t doing the show any favors with the release schedule
I’m gonna need a season 3 premier by the end of the year/beginning of next year before I believe all those claims that we won’t suffer like we did with this season
It didn’t help that season 2 part 1 is kinda mid imo
@@Chadius_Thundercock it absolutely is, yeah. It has 2 alright episodes and 2 mid to bad episodes. Part 2 is solid throughout though.
It wasn't Prime Video that made the schedule like that it was the studio and show runners. Robert Kirkmans decision, I believe.
If you think its amazons call and not inept producers being unable to deliver sub par animation.. when fuutrama and simposns and family guy and american dad and whtever else were spitting out 15-20 episodes a year... well you are quite mistaken
I've seen plenty of talk and buzz about it. It just didn't have any massive "break the internet" moments like Nolan killing the Guardians or Nolan beating down Mark, and it didn't need them either.
It was a very good season, but like you said there weren't many shocking or overly climatic moments. The only "weakness" this season has is that it is more set up for the truly epic things to come.
Totally see what you mean. For me, that lizard league fight was that moment for me this season. This season felt like it focused more on the emotional weight all these characters shoulder and developed them enough to pull at our heartstrings when something insane pops off.
Tbh, this season was mainly setup. After this point, season 3 is where shit gets real. Like, if anyone read chainsaw man, you could equate what's gonna go down in season 3 to what happened during chainsaw man after the bomb girl arc. In other words, expect chainsaw man ass pacing fr.
I feel like "I thought you were Stronger" could've been the moment had it not been spoiled by most people
@@PugFeistI feel the same it definitely talked the social and mental aspects of being a superhero.
Cecil is such an underrated character this season. We see bits of humanity and compassion from him, but they're always covered by a veil of uncertainty. You want to believe he cares about the other characters, especially Mark, Debbie, and Donald, but you just can't trust him. Every interaction, word, and action has to be analyzed and I love it. We see a lot of his softer side but even then it might just be an act. I can't even blame the guy since he's up against random bullshit every other minute. Super secret government leader type characters are always either cold assholes or cool badasses. Cecil is such an interesting character.
I like the character of Cecil but people make him sound a lot more cloak and dagger than he has shown himself to be so far in the show. Every time he shows a softer side, it's played as genuine and does he ever really take advantage of people's trust in him? When he does manipulate people he doesn't even seem to hide it, he makes snide remarks like telling Mark his mom will just _love_ taking care of her ex-husband's new kid.
Its pretty clear that Cecil cares for his friends and employees on a personal level, but also that he would lie to and sacrifice all of them without blinking of it were for the good of the world and then have a cry about it later but not regret it one bit.
My favorite cecil moment was when Debbie was arguing about raising Oliver in a lab and he was like, "we paint clouds on the ceiling" 😭
fr. im more interested in the gda characters than the supers in the freaking superhero show lol
They did a very good job with the Nick Fury/Amanda Waller type that he is. In season 1 he was just kind of an asshole that would do anything for what he thought was the greater good; this season you really see him flinch more and open up a bit and I like that.
Totally on the Mark and Amber stuff. I thought they'd ended like four episodes in a row and each time it was like "oh... they're still together? They're still having the same conversation as last time but haven't actually... ended it yet?" Felt real weird
Most realistic thing in the show honestly
Because in the comics he ended it as soon as he got back from space with sequids, because it wasn't fair to her, him being away so much.
He also came back to her chilling in her room with some dude.
i agree this season kinda went nowhere with that despite all the time they spent on it lol. just get with eve already, man!
Have you never been in love? Even if the person is straight up toxic you try your damnest to make it work
@@Neo.Jordon Yeah, so happy they cut that thing out, it painted Mark in a really ugly light... And of course, the way said dude turned out in the end wasn't all that pretty either...
100% agree about getting more voice actors, it was getting really noticeable how many characters have the same voice actor as new characters were introduced
also it would speed up production times once the voice acters got into the characters, because then more people can do more lines in less of the time
How many characters have the same VA? I only noticed it with Grey
@@kachosuffer7guy who plays donald is also recycled a lot. chris diamantopoulos?
I mostly noticed it with they guy who plays black Samson
I’m bad with names but Amazon Prime Video has a feature that lets you see who the voice actors are in every scene and once you start consistently looking at it you realize that like 10 characters are voiced by the guy who voices The Immortal
"I can't get mad at Mark or the fans will hate me again..." was my _exact_ thoughts on how they wrote her for season 2.
Yep, I honestly feel like she was written WORSE in early season 2 just because of that. Instead of addressing the problem from season 1, they swept it under the rug and turned Amber into a different character, hoping that people would ignore it or forget. It just feels weird. Thankfully it resolved really well, but still.
Except that's pretty much how it happens in the comics as well.
@@Daranik84no? Amber is a lot angrier in the comics but they both agree that her feelings are valid and they split up
@@Daranik84Except comic Amber is a completely different character.
Lol she started taking her bipolar meds again
Rex became the GOAT this season, he carried his whole team even after a bullet entered his head.
Yup.
I do like Rex’s development but I do think having him have such a change after being shot in the head was weird . If I was shot in the head I think I’d be a worse person after. Or I feel they should of given him more of a disability to adapt to after it, like he doesn’t even have a speech impediment.
@@felixowen2693it depends on the person really. Like I for one would probably be a better person solely because I'd be so grateful I'm still alive after getting shot in the head and make me rethink on my past actions.
@@felixowen2693 He was trying to be better before hand. Its obvious when he went to speak to Eve, although he wasnt perfect and wanted to slack off. But getting shot made him realise how fragile everything is
@@crimsoneclipse0618 no I mean I’m pretty sure losing parts of your brain result in aggression. Idk it might depend on what part of your brain goes away. Unless he was lobotomised and just chill.
After I heard about the mid season break, I decided to wait until all episodes were out to watch the show. And God did that make it so much better
Yea, I don't blame you. The blue balling was bad
I'm currently starting S2 from the beginning after just finishing the last episode to see if the change in pacing changes how I perceive the story. I enjoyed the season, but it felt disjointed, and some plot points seemed out-of-the-blue, but I suspect that's because I watched S2 weekly as the episodes came out.
@@JuliusCheeser223I just forgot about it tbh and then just saw they came back and was like oh nice. Plus bad batch season 3 came out soon after the mid season break.
Haven't watched it yet solely because of that, and now Marcus has convinced me.
@@GriffinWiebelit’s really good. Not watching it because of a break is just dumb
They definitely fumbled the bag with Amber in season 1, then overly course-corrected in season 2. It's such a whiplash
Look a little deeper. Amber isn't understanding at all, it's still all about her. Post graduation, when they meet in the tree house? William says something goofy, Mark broods, Eve makes a short comment about helping with cleanup - and Amber goes into far too much detail about her helping out at the shelter.
The talk between Mark and Art about girls? Amber is perfect and deserves better. Hell, she is so perfect that she feels guilty for stealing Mark's time away from people he could save.
The damn BREAK UP scene they had makes Amber sound like the most entitled character in the entire show.... Imagine that wasn't Mark she was giving this speech to. imagine that was literally any other dude who has a dangerous profession, getting lectured by his girlfriend how him going out and doing something important makes her feel like she is bereft of "agency".
I didn't think they could make that character worse, but somehow, they managed...
But... She didn't have agency in the relationship? @@Alexander_Kale
@JohnJohnson27-cs6ix Oh, great, the genius has arrived. go on, get it over with, tell me how I am stupid for discussing a fictional character and how its just a comic....
@@Alexander_Kale I don't think people think you're stupid for discussing a fictional character, if any of us thought that we wouldn't be here. It wasn't a "lecture." She was expressing her feelings. I think they said you have a problem because what you said indicates an inability to empathize and recognize that feelings aren't "right or wrong," they're just feelings. Someone isn't bad for expressing how they feel. And the way they feel isn't "wrong" either. She is, literally, bereft of agency - in 2 ways. First she feels she cannot express how she feels not because Mark is doing something dangerous; but, because Mark is doing something of UNIVERSAL importance. This strips her of her agency in the relationship, as she can never dictate terms without feeling guilty. Second, she lacks any physical agency because she can be squashed like a bug at any second. Realizing that would mess with anyone.
She isn't entitled, she's human.
@@SydGhosh "any of us thought that we wouldn't be here" - you might be surprised at how often that turns out to not be true. I swear, it is a universal law or something. Whenever some fans are discussing their respective fandom on the internet, some smooth brain butts in doing EXACTLY what you just described....
That said:
"This strips her of her agency in the relationship" which is the dumbest thing anyone can possibly say. It is off the scale, indisputably, inconceivably incorrect.
Thank you for making my point for me.
I’m okay with Mark trying live normal through the season because it shows how different he is from the other Marks we saw and why he won’t turn,also… Conquest will wake him up next season 😅
They did that because Mark is Spider-Man, but also Superboy.
THANK YOU FOR SHOWING DEBBIE THE LOVE SHE DESERVES , I feel like no one talks about how well her arc is done and how VASTLY it improves on the comics
Nah fr in the comic she literally is just depressed for half the thing and her story revolves around Nolan, she actually has gown to be her own person which is hella cool
Debbie and Eve are both much better than their comic counterparts
Mark's lucky 😂
Sandra Oh deserves a lot more credit for making Debbie such a compelling character. She is on the same level as Jk Simmons and Steven Yuen in terms of voice acting imo.
@@kickass2117 1000%
One thing I would like to see is her alcoholism because the attention it gets it the show is mixed, like sometimes it feels it’s played for comedy, so I can’t tell if they will actually dive into it because I wish they would, when she blames mark for Nolan leaving I thought that was super interesting and which a few tweaks could be a insanely good moment where Debbie isn’t just a victim that needs to overcome her situation but also inner own way a bad person that needs to improve herself beyond getting over what other people do.
I 100% agree. Cyborgs voice actor appearing randomly throws me off every time.
Skyrim type shit
Yeah...especially when he also voices one of the Guardians.
Boo-yah!
Cyborg?
@@dearratboycyborgs voice actor from teen titans
Oh shit two videos in one month. It’s one of those kinda grinds.
Two in one week even more incredible
Insta-ad, indeed one of those kinda grinds
@@Rubblygotta love having premium to skip ads and still getting ads. At least youtube music is good
he got the idea for this quickie like yesterday lmao, when he says quickie, he means it, he did this shit fast as fuck boiiiii
This guys voice makes me so mad
Totally forgot about the show but your thumbnail reminded me the second half had been released. Thank you, would have totally forgot about it for a while otherwise lol. Spot on about the bleakness vs hope theme. A good superhero fantasy inspires heroism. A great superhero show includes the flaws and cynicism of the world. The best superhero story should ground itself in the bleakness and challenges of the world but inspire hope in spite of them.
Season 2 is good but not nearly as strong story-wise as the first season. This season is essentially dealing with all of the aftermath of season 1, which isn't necessarily a bad thing because it's good to have the character breathe and really feel the impact of what they went through. However, in season 1 you could definitely feel the build up as to where the season was leading ultimately culminating in the last two episodes of the season being full on epic. Season 2 ultimately feels like it is suppose to be a bridge just to get the audience from season 1 to season 3 which is where it suffers. Once all the seasons are out and viewers can continue straight through, I think season 2 will get more shine but all of the breaks did a massive disservice for this season.
When you compare just the screentime Nolan had in S1 vs angstrom Levy in S2, it makes sense why folks weren't as invested in this guy.
I don't think that had much to do with it, I & many other found Angstrom's vendetta extremely captivating.
I might be wrong but I hear Levy could return.
In this season
For me Nolan was a mystery I didn’t know why he was doing things and each episode made me believe he was evil but I was never worried about mark shocked but not worried. Levy was finding ways to kill mark only showing up a few times but I was always wondering when he would show up and who was working with him I unlike Nolan who was evil levy was insane and his moments with marks mom had me so worried for her and the baby
@@a.f.watcher8888
he ain't dead
i really wish i was a fly on the wall during the meeting in which amazon decided it would be a great idea to split an 8 episode season in half with a 4 month hiatus in between, it literally killed the momentum of the series :/
Oh hey thafnine how whtear up there 😏
The horror game guy with funny ADHD editing 🫵
I agree with you increased size thigh streamer that I watch, it’s kinda hard to get into a good series when all the build up and investment is broken from a 4 month hiatus, not to mention this season felt like it needed to be way more than 8 episodes. Like 15 or 20 episodes at least because so much stuff like Angstrom or Mark’s relationships or Nolan and the Viltrumites are all crammed in way too badly
It probably went something like "man these strikes are kinda actually hurting our profits, so while we have to wait for the last episodes to be finished, how about we delay a few more months to release them until we roll out the ads system at the end of the tax year & add that premium tier? We can guarantee multiple months of subscriptions and take advantage of Spider-Verse being delayed and Marvel & DC slowing down their releases! We'll be the only new superhero property airing for everyone to watch and we'll rake in billions!"
It was kirkman's idea, just like he did in the walking dead, it's not amazon.
It's a theory that I haven't seen that many people talk about, but I think the break was a result of Amazon spreading out content because of the strikes. Because they were intent on not paying people for months, they decided to spread things out, since for the last few months, they've only had 1 big show running at a time
I think it was also that they were rolling out the ad breaks around that time and they wanted more people to sign up for the ad free tier.
@@TheLeftistOwlwhy not do that for their most popular shows then instead of invincible?
@@pooppoop8142invincible is one of their most popular shows atp
@@pooppoop8142 Invincible is one of their most popular shows. The other shows were probably already slated for a specific time and to reverse wouldn't have been worth it.
it's one of their most popular shows
"At least the ones that survive". But nobody died????
Spoilers lol (dw I already watched it but like he said others haven’t)
Honestly really disappointed by that. I was okay with Rex surviving because he was by far the most interesting guy in that triplet, then I was shocked yet happy with Shrink Ray surviving. Then by the very end Kate returns and I'm like wtf
Yeah I agree, the show has devalued death so many times that at no point will I ever believe somebody is actually dead
@@_AmusedByMusic_I mean…
Kate being alive makes sense, but it’s literally thrown in at the last second to give Immortal a reason to not be so fucking miserable
@@CrasherX2000 I see what you mean, I just think having *all* three of them survive really soiled the stakes for me.
Since no one else has said it. 8:29 X-Men Vs Street Fighter Theme of Rogue
The mid-season break was so bad i deadass forgot that angstrom was a character in the show
I dont even remember who that is and I loved s2
Who?
me too
Was probably the point lol.
I forgot too until the finale
Think Amazon! Your release schedule will outlast the attention of every insignificant subscriber on Prime! You'll live to see the excitement crumble to dust and blow away! The hype and the momentum WILL BE GONE. What will you have after a 109 day hiatus?!
Lmao
I'll stIll have... slightly more people that forgot to cancel their membership...
One of the best comment on this site hands down
Nerds; they’ll still have nerds
The show didn't lose it's hype though...it was getting 100k+ views in just a couple of hours on YT, a lot of people were talking about it on twitter, and agent spider increased the attention around it too...oh and it became #1 on prime.
3:20 I believe Mark´s arc is about him trying his hardest to convince himself that he´s not his dad, that he´s not capable of losing control no matter what the universe throws at him. Even if his mom and boss insist that he´s not him, Mark never truly accepts this.
As Mark said to Darkwing´s sidekick : -You have no idea what im capable of.
3:50 thats kinda the point tho, Mark really doesnt wanna turn into a super-soldier that does Cecil´s dirty work. That´s why he wanted to make it work, to look for alternatives so superhero´ing isnt his go to, but Mark cant help himself. If he has the ability to help people, he will go where Cecil tells him to, because at the end of the day, there are lives at stake.
fully agree. While his arc is a bit similar to last season's he's trying to figure out how he can NOT just be a superhero. Last season was about him balancing being a hero and normal since he had to live the double life but now he has to choose.
Plus, it shows that Mark is similar to Nolan in more ways than the whole finale dilemma. He has superhero-ing built into his blood BECAUSE of his dad. It's why I believe that's the major thing that made Mark a hero in this universe. In most, his dad was probably more open with his Viltrumite side which influenced him to be more like "his people". Interesting stuff imo!
I was sick of mark whining by the end, how can you be distraught that you killed a guy who threatened to kill your brother and mother in front of you
@@lukedevlin5948 "If it is natural to kill, why do men have to go into training to learn how?" - John Baez
There is an ocean of difference between a revenge power fantasy daydream, and the reality of taking a life, regardless of the external pressure. If there wasn't, PTSD wouldn't be a thing and all veterans would be well adjusted.
@@mcmosfet2856 fair point, can’t say I have killed anyone, but equally in a situation of not only self defence but defence of my family I can’t say I would have any regret of putting down a deranged psychopath. But maybe mark is scarred from the image of angstroms face as a soup. I just think he comes off as weak as opposed to resilient by the end when there’s a much bigger battle ahead of him
3:51 The college stuff made sense to me, remember its the one bit of normalcy Mark has left everything else he has to deal with is either superhero stuff or world ending viltrimite stuff so at the end of the season when he decided to drop out its fairly obvious that its not a decision he wants to make its one he is being forced to make. Mark always wanted to be a superhero and he got his wish monkey's paw style in that it cost him everything else. Him wanting to go to college was symbolic of that, or atleast thats my interpretation.
I'm kinda worried Amazon is gonna pull the plug after season 3. If this series is going to cover everything in the comics than that's at least 8+ seasons of Animation, and if Season 3 is going to end where I think it is, it's gonna be a little bit before we get back in the action.
I can see the end of Season 3 being a big dropping off point for many casual viewers as the show gets more weirder and more involved in their plots, similar to what happened to The Walking Dead (which is ironic lol)
LMAO, the voice actors critique in on point, IMO. Clancy Brown is GOATED, but I ain't tryna hear Mr. Krabs everywhere.
It just makes me laugh at this point, it's almost like a running gag in of itself at this point.
LMAO
Or luthor
You’re lame.
I heard more Lex Luthor in Kregg’s performance
He still nailed it but considering my love for DC’s mid-2000’s cartoons it was VERY distracting
Anyone else annoyed that amazon put ads on their streaming service
I was, but at the same time, I understand that the streaming model is collapsing, so if they don't put in ads, either they jack up the prices or cut content to meet their quarterly goals.
Granted they're going to do all those things anyway, but if ads slow down the process, I'll take the small win where I can.
ublock origin my guy hasn't failed me yet
thats why they did a split in the season, the first part didnt have ads and then the second part did. Cant even watch fallout without ads now, how much money does amazon fucking need man?
@Oceanman705 the ads are like a minute long if that most the time its 30 seconds its really not a big deal
@@matrixmdogmmmm yummy boot taste so good
I was also floored by the fight in the atom eve OVA thingy. i saw a clip of the fight on yt and immediately watched the whole thing. I like how she is a foil to mark because her backstory is about being ostracized for her powers and them being a problem, while mark was basically raised as a superhero.
Which makes me kinda question why she kinda lost her creativity using her power as she’s older
@@madtitan0825 i think she just learned to use them more effectively
because in her episode, she was using her powers for the 1st time so she was creative with them but as she grew up she found simpler ways to deal with enemies
remember how much collateral damage was there in her episode?
He was not raised as a superhero
I think you mean that while Eve had powers but was ostracized for it, Mark desperately wanted powers to be like his dad.
it didn't even feel like it was a full second season. the second half of the hiatus introduced so many new characters and arcs, that it felt a lot was left unresolved.
The best part of their "hiatus" is that they didn't even announce the show coming back, I had to find out because people were posting spoilers it made me think "oh hey, invincible's back" instead of the 4th episode making me think "wow! I can't wait for episode 5 in 4 months!"
As a comic reader, knowing what is getting set up for the upcoming seasons, I hope to God there isn't a quarter year hiatus EVER again
I hope they cut to a hiatus mid anissa cratering mark.
Omg i'm glad you mentioned Grey Griffin voicing multiple background characters. I thought I was going insane thinking they all sounded like her
I saw one person say they wanted Anissa to be voiced by her too, and i was just like "why tho?"
@@bloodyraptor6251because she would kill it
@@bloodyraptor6251 because azula probably
@@chezzyk3 idc, if I wanted to watch 2 ppl voice 30 different characters, id watch South Park
I CANT BELIEVE…. YOU ACTUALLY…. SHOT ME IN THE FUCKING HEAD
Season three will break the internet. Non comic readers have no clue how amazing it’s gonna be
Weekly episode releases are the way to go for animation series, honestly. We saw how it worked well with Jojo's Golden Wind and X-Men 97.
Best surprise casting was Peter Cullen. All I could here was Optimus Prime
All that's missing was him shouting his iconic catchphrase, "I'll kill you!"
when they fight the viltrumites he better say, "coalition, roll out"
The college part for Mark was something I couldn't get invested in mainly because why is he there? What's his major? What's his future other than a hero? These questions popped up because why is Mark trying so hard to go to college? Is it solely for amber or is he actually interested in something?
So far with season 1 we saw him want to be a super hero so badly and with season 2 him controlling himself and showing people in charge that he can be trusted. So, what's up with him trying to stay in college and for what?
because we wanted to be something other than just Invincible the Viltrumite. He didn't want to be like Batman where Bruce Wayne is basically non-existent.
Marcus is like the 4th or 5th person I've heard say the Atom Eve special fight was on another level. Goes to show when you only have to animate one episode, you can put your all into it.
I have watched so many great superhero fight scenes but the Bridge fight in the atom eve special is Great. It's one of the best, if not THE best. I love how it was animated, the music, the camera angles, the choreography. Chef's Kiss.
The storyboard artist they hired for that segment boarded the whole thing like they were doing key animation, which is why the movement felt more dynamic. I wish they would spend the time and money on artists like him who are willing to go harder in storyboards like that.
But it kinda reflects poorly on season 2 as a whole, which collectively didn't have a better action scene in comparison
To be fair to amazon, I think they did not know it would take this long to create season 2 and were worried that waiting too long would kill the hype entirely so they hoped to give us something in the waiting period
They’ve learned from their mistakes thankfully
Rex went through a huge redemption arc in season 2 and it made me like rex. Also everyone including Angstrom’s actor did a stellar job with S2
Also the agent spider josh keaton cameo, I liked it
Shoutout to the absolutely class animation bit they did in one of the early episodes this season - gold 😂
That scene at the sci fi convention was one of the funniest bits I've ever seen.
That was in the second to last episode of the season watchu talkin about early
The animation this season is so much worse than season 1. Feels like their animation budget was cut. All the animation is stiff
the moment is the comics is just a great, but instead of animation workarounds it’s about reusing art in comics
@@lorenzo5488Nah, the animation is generally better than season one as season one had way more janky animation than season two. Just go back and rewatch how janky episode four of the first season was and no episode in season two ever dips to that low of quality. Where season one was better was the direction as I think overall, season two isn’t nearly as well directed as season one, especially when it comes to fight scenes.
I wish he talked about angstrom, genuinely my favorite performance of the season
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Sterling K Brown is not In enough projects. Dude is big time.
Nah the villian was trash
@@DefMM123 he was set up right at the beginning to be the big bad, then disappeared for the entire season, came back being petty as fuck, such a waste of time
Tbh I don’t really get what you mean by saying it’s the closest thing we’ll get the a western shonen. We’ve had other western fighting shows before.
examples? 👀
@@Matty002 Avatar, Spectacular Spider-Man, Teen Titans, Ben 10, ninja turtles, samurai jack, arcane. Like a lot of western shows have fighting in them, especially kid shows.
Love the point you make around 8:00 - from the time I read Invincible I always saw it as the reconstructionist superhero story. Like okay, we've had all the stories about how living in a superhero world wouldn't be the four-colour fantasy of the golden and silver ages. How heroes wouldn't really be heroic. Now here's how they *could*, while still retaining the realism.
This season genuinely had me crying at multiple points throughout the season and I'm glad I waited for the entire season to come out before binge watching it, I don't think it would've had the same impact on me if I watched the first part and then waited for the second part.
THANK YOU for doing a video on this. I LOVED season 2 almost as much as season 1. It’s the only show I’ve been excited about in years.
Amazon definitely wanted to wait for them to roll out the unskippable ads before continuing the season
Video actually starts at minute 1:11
My man
Bro made a 9 minutes video and used one for the add
I really wish the explored why Mark was so hellbent on going to college. Like in season1 he says hes always wanted to be a hero, so why does he care about college so much? It isnt a plot hole but it's something i think they should have brought up more
Their *real* reasoning for the mid-season break was to 1. Work on season 3 during the break, to get it released earlier, and 2. Apparently Amazon implemented commercials to its standard tier of Amazon Video subscriptions. Guess when that happened? Inbetween the hiatus. You can avoid the commercials, with an added fee of course.
I remember when they said that they wanted the fans to “Digest what they saw in episode 4” during the break but like, dude, whats there to comprehend or digest? You painted it quite clearly.
Dude invincible is so good that me and my friend basically forced our friends who weren't into it to watch season 2 with us and within an episode or two they were just as into it as we were. I even got one friend to read the comics. The release schedule is undoubtedly wack but invincible is still the best American animated show currently ongoing.
They better not repeat the same eight episode's split in season three. Especially if they adapt the important narrative after Mark defeated Angstrom Levi.
Mark's plotline this season was exploring what made this version of him keep his humanity and his struggle of why thats important to him.
i think i know why amazon waited 3 months to release. after logging in to watch season 2 of invincible, i only noticed 1 big difference, ADS. amazon waited to drop the rest of the season cuz they just rolled out their new advertising-free subscriptions. sneaky.
This show is the definition of a scattered plot. It feels like an entire show made of filler arcs, with not enough time dedicated to actually making us interested in anything beyond the first season
I'm not sure you know what filler is
@@PeashamThis man clearly has not seen the entirety of Naruto Shipudden.
@@Neptunes_Bounty Nah bro filler is when no Omni man
@@Peasham Yeah any episode without his fat ass in tights is just filler, am I right fellas?
@@Peasham Ikr I need my Omni x Bug arc
Was sitting up waiting on this one to come out
Am i the only person who was surrounded by people who were actively watching and wnjoying? Hell my socials have even been blowing up with invincible content
Amber was a completely new character in the 2nd season. I think they killed old amber and made a clone amber to replace her.
I kind of like that everyone is voiced by king Ezequiel, azula, or the guy with one arm from the walking dead. I think it’s funny every time I notice it
Debbie is also my favorite. Yes I'm a Mama's boy 😂😂😂
i literally finished season 2 like 20 minutes ago what perfect timing
Same
I liked when they had the little joke about cutting corners in animation, and then later in the episode when Mark and Amber have their big resolution, they focus on all the things they said they ignore when they're trying to save time and cut corners. Was a really nice touch 👍
Actually they do it WHILE talking about it. I thought it was cute, but a bit too direct.
I fully expected mark to come back to the planet terrified of the viltrumites and break up with amber because he needs to prepare the planet. But idk. Instead of prepare the planet, he strengthens it
100% agree about Mark. I'm not sure why he loves Amber that much or cares about college when he is busy dealing with aliens on other planets, that of course he was going to inevitably go away from her. I mean the part where he looked at Amber for the last time wasn't that emotional but only for the context of dealing with killing.
i was gonna wait until it was all out but I guess I forgot. thanks for the reminder
I hate how defanged and non flawed Amber is this season, she's so fucking boring because they're so afraid of people disliking her, it really sucks. All that was needed was an in show acknowledgement of her being in the wrong for how she acted despite knowing he's invincible, maybe have her apologise, not take away her personality
It didn't really matter, this was her last season regardless.
I think people overreacted about her in season 1 she was no where near as bad as I heard people talk about her
The only issue I have is that its complete whiplash from how her character was in Season 1. She went from hating Mark for lying to her and not prioritizing her to now being walked all over. Idk, it would’ve worked better if in Season 1 she found out by herself but is supportive of him at first, then as Season 2 progresses we see the relationship start to falter and we see her start getting more irritable and sad. It would kind of parallel what Debbie goes through but Mark, unlike his dad, would cut the relationship off before it gets to that point.
@@blackanimelover18 WHAT, SHE DIE??
@@superanxiety261 no, iirc in the comics she doesn't show up after the breakup
Just the intro with karma police got me
My biggest problem with the animation is that everything is light up. there are no shadows. Im tired of how bright this show is, where does all this light come from.
Bro I watched the first half then waited forever for the second half of season 2 to come out and forgot about it by the time it did, and never heard it came out.
Agreed with literally all of your points, but AMEN to the needing new voice actors bit. I will agree I have an ear that can pick up similar voices a LOT, but damn if it isn't distracting as all hell. ESPECIALLY with Amazon's X-Ray feature pointing out just how many characters Grey Delisle or Ross Marquand are playing in one scene. Having Ross voice both Rudy and Immortal knowing they'd have this many scenes together especially has been driving me crazy.
Grey Delisle only has so many different ways she can voice a character. It's so obvious when it's her voice.
They literally sound nothing alike though, so what’s the issue? Seriously, is everyone forgetting it’s not uncommon for voice actors to have multiple roles in the same show? Animation allows for shit like that, and as long as the voice actors are good there really isn’t an issue. And so far, none of the Invincible voice actors have been remotely bad or mediocre.
“The ones that survived” literally nobody dies. It’s just a bunch of gore and they all live happily ever after this season.
Definitely made the season feel less important overall without the stakes.
I just hope they go full on Dragon Ball on the Viltrumite vs Viltrumite fight scenes on the next seasons.
Giving the Anissa vs Mark fight, I think they will.
Yeah I, too, hope they make the fights incredibly tedious talk-fests where nothing happens for 3 episodes and we constantly cut to every single character's reaction to each energy blast and punch-through-a-mountain
@@brookejon3695 Exactly, then we have to wait for someone to make a supercut to see the actual fight from beginning to end.
I think they should lean into Agent Spider and give him a mini series. It could give fans a “Spiderman” esq show that actually feels fresh and more grown up than MCU Spiderman and even continue the Spectacular Spiderman tv show in a tongue in cheek way.
I think they missed the mark...(sure, pun intended), by not having this Mark be an alt/variant. It would've shown how easy it would be for him to give into his Viltrimite nature. Ik Amazon have a thing with tweaking their comic source material and it's appreciated (eg The Boys) but so far Invincible seem to be missing something that other properties already do for me. Maybe it's the social commentary (The Boys/Gen V), balancing hero/home life (Spider-Man), battling alien nature (Superman/Goku/etc), etc. I like the show alot but it's missing something.
My favorite contrarian just uploaded!
This is my exact reaction when I get a notification from him
Contrarian? This guy holds every safe mainstream opinion 😂
What are you talking about? Of course anybody watched it. And the guy loved it. He said it was a 9/10
Only a 9/10? Is anybody stupid?
Nishikiyama
@@K3end0 y'know i think he is
I pulled up Prime on Wednesday expecting a new episode, couldn’t believe the season was over lol.
That was a horrible roll out plan by Amazon
I started watching season two when It came out and really liked it. Then I forgot the show existed and wouldn’t have watched the rest if I didn’t see your video. Don’t know why they split it, there are probably more people like me who haven’t finished the season because they just forgot about it.
Here is another thing about invcible, is the edgyness adds to it instead of just being a shock value thing, like you see what probably would happen with crazy superpowers, also the showrunners dont assault your eyes with crazy stuff all the time
i started watching it around when episode 5 of the season came out, it was really good!
Do a review on XMEN 97 coz it's a masterpiece
Been waiting for this
I love the show and the comic but it's wild a dude who is gonna live forever is so hyper focused on wanting to go to school now haha
I was thinking the same thing too. Season 1? Best thing ever. After ? " huh? What's that?" . That was quick .
As a fan of the comic and masterpiece of a cartoon. Yes. I think it was robert kirkman's decision to delay the show. Glad im not the only person that thinks grey delise's voice got distracting. She can only do 4 voices.
I’m still not over his terrible Avatar take on Twitter but I see a new upload I click
What take?
Is it about the Netflix one, what did he say? I don't have Twitter
he really need to consider dropping twitter because it is frying his brain
Only massive problem I have with this season is Omni-Man's ridiculous, extraordinarily change from total murderous psychopath to nice guy on a freaking DIME, literally several months time.
Maybe the comic did that far better, I don't know, don't read comics, but he had a wife and son for DECADES on Earth and it barely had any effect on him at all, yet he leaves Earth, gets a new wife and son, and suddenly he's totally changed??! "I think I miss my wife." - who wrote this shit? Do they think people work that way, like there's a switch in every mass murdering psycho's mind you can just flip?
Ah yes, Nolan loving Mark so much that it lead to him abandoning his mission obviously showed that his time on Earth had barely any effect on him.
Season 2 Nolan didn't change, he was coming to terms with his change.
@@Peasham That's not much of a change, sorry. He stull murdered tons of people and was willing to murder millions more to get his way.
The only person he could not bring himself to kill was his son, and that's only because psychopaths very often have any feelings at all *_only_* for their offspring (and usually only those of the same sex), because they see them as an extension of themselves. And themselves are the only person they are able to empathize with.
@@Christobanistan What "isn't" much of a change? There wasn't A change in the first place, Season 2 Nolan is an extension of Season 1 Nolan, and you thinking that he only cared about Mark and no one else is cute, but it is contradicted and proven wrong in season 2.
@@Christobanistanyou don't understand nolan character, he's not the le bad guy, he's a soldier who was bred for war and lived in a culture that worshipped that type of thing for 2 thousand years, his time on earth did change him and showed him new ways of experience life like actually being a protector instead of just destroying everyone, but he's still a 2 thousand years old soldier so of course all his training and ideology he cultivated would override the "fake life" he had on earth and push him to conquer the people, but he realized he was wrong through his son, very luke and darth vader type of scenario
@@thekrakensdaughter LOL, yeah, sure buddy. Humans aren't machines. We don't just flip switches like that.
The break in the middle made me binge the comics.
I can't get over the fact that omni Man banging bugs that can only live 1 year. I don't know, it bugs me.
I was just watching your season 1 review LMAO
3:55 Not only he has a fucking Viltrumite invasion to deal with, but he knows he'll live for thousands of years, he can literally go to college for a century and get a degree in everything he has a mildy interest in, if he manage to stop the major problems he has right now so the world isn't conquered or worse.
Tbf he wants to have a normal life outside of being a superhero and he wanted to experience college with amber
@@drakon1124 I know, but if you are the best line of defense of your entire planet, and you are still not strong enough to fight against one soldier from the army that threatens it. You probably should focus on urgent matters before your personal desires.
He's a teen / young adult dude, what you say is 100% factual but at that age you either don't realize or think you can have the cake with the cherry on top. plus he has a lot to deal with, so when he has times in-between saving the world he probably wanna enjoy life. Which he can't factual speaking, but he doesn't realize it
@@igorporfiirio4915 Stories would be pretty boring if every character just ran a cost-benefit analysis and then did the most optimal thing.
@@the_exegete You're saying that stories would be boring if characters acted in the most logical ways and were competent? This is highly false.
I preferred the first season to the comics but the comics were better than this season
I appreciate the meta humor when Mark visits the comic nerd convention type thing and gets exposition dumped about how to save money on animation so there can be more nice battle sequences while they employ and highlight the tricks talked about.
It's a shame literally nothing happened this season
It took me a long time to get back on track but it was well worth it. Loved everything about this season. Though they may be rushing a bit to much now? I don't know, didn't expect to see Kate back so early but I'm not complaining. Loved how Rex really got the spotlight. Also love how they are teasing Eve x Mark. Debbie is obviously one of the best characters.
I'm just curious if Rex's voice actor is actually gonna voice older robot. he did it in the finale and it was a little jarring to hear the guy typecast as the dumb jock asshole play an intelligent character for once lmao
@@ScripFing I mean it makes sense, he's a voice actor, a pretty darn well famous one, he'll put on one hell of a good Rudy voice
Idk how the adaption of season 3 is gonna work, but I'm gonna need you to expect some chainsaw man ass pacing. If u don't know what that is, read it, but if you need context basically crazy shit is going to start happening back to back and honestly this season was meant to set a new status quo only to do some crazy shit.
@@ScripFing Well, that was the universe without Mark. So we don't really know what'll happen with Rex/Robot, but if it follows anything like the comics, it sorta makes sense for Rex to take the mantel of Robot.
The Eve/Mark teasing was kind of awkward. Having her future version fly in and insist that he tell her young self that he loves her... that is the weirdest most awkward way to begin a romance. I'm sorry, that kind of sucks the romance right out. I know it ain't gonna happen, but Rex and Eve kinda seem like they'd be the more interesting pair.
Mark being fixated on collage for.. reasons.. was the most confusing thing to me. He never articulates why it matters to him beyond staying with his girlfriend.
I think it was a desperate cling for some normalcy in his life. The ending is him finally accepting he can't live that normal life and that he's now all in on the superhero life.
I'm glad someone put it into words how Amber was written this season.
I really did expect her to just look straight at the camera and say "see guys, I'm not *that* bad"
This season felt very crammed too me. A lot of stuff like the alternate universe or Angstrom or the viltrumites don’t get to be seen a lot or explained because of how crammed this season is for 8 episodes, and 4 of them are split up. A hour of an episode isn’t nearly enough to show all the stuff they build up and show, I really felt this with episodes 2, 4 and 7. We barely got any explanation on Angstrom, we saw him in like episode 1 and 2 and then he was gone for the whole season before were suddenly reminded of him in episode 7, and then he “dies” in episode 8. Clearly not enough content. And I’ve read the comics and there are some content that would’ve taken place in this season that they straight up skipped just to cram it all. Which really sucks because they had over 2 years to do this
The structure of this season makes sense for a TV show but the pacing in the comics is better imo