That's the thing I think is so impressive. Both of these movies juggle a lot of main characters, arcs, locations, major and minor villains. It already feels like we've spent about as much time with Miles and Gwen as any of the live action Spider-Men.
And it felt stupid as in many other incarnation and variation of that public thinks spiderman is bad. So nobody see the giant crock monster, but hero of the city that leaves criminals hanging from webs is immediately and unquestionably the baddy that killed a kid that died at the scene and crock disappeared.
Gwen’s universe was so visually appealing to watch. The water colouring was amazing to look at. I love when her and her dad hugged, there were warm colours that spread across the screen.
So glad you mentioned Pemberton’s score. He must have burned at least five studios down making that music and people aren’t talking about it nearly enough.
@@nathanball99With other superhero movies, even the most recent, even if it IS done well, the soundtrack doesn’t feel as distinguishable as it needs to be, with each superhero fight/dramatic music feeling like they could be placed with other dramatic music. Daniel Pemberton’s music in Miles’s own words, does its own thing. You could still hear the deep horns, but they synch so well with the events in the story that it can fit with the Spider-Verse movies and them ALONE.
The 'what's up danger' scene is unique because it was conceived by the Spanish artist Alberto Mielgo as a proof of concept for Sony. He wrote, designed and animated that piece before there was even a script for Into the Spider-Verse. So it existed completely outside of that movie. Probably one of the best moving-storyboards I've ever seen.
When Miles says "There's no spider-man here." Man the feeling of dread is palpable in that very moment. It felt like Miles was really in the darkest world he shouldn't go into, ever.
When he told his mum he was Spider-Man I was like "somethings off here" and then the penny dropped that he was in universe 42 I was like "OH SHIT" my heart was pumping throught the whole ending it was fkn great
This movie made me realize that Spider-Man has become a Shakespearian-type character. He’s so well known that new authors can use references from his previous stories to add depth to characters, and even change those tropes to tell new stories with new meaning and commentary. It happens all the time with Shakespeare’s characters, it’s metatextuality-really amazing to see that in a Spider-Man movie.
@@pugman9672 Always have been. Silver Age Superman and Sun Wukong of Chinese mythology have a lot of similarities. Including the massive leaps that later got reimagined as flight.
That and the fact that no matter what iteration or version of the character's story, it always contains huge amounts of tragedy. Shakespeare would be proud
The whole Spider-Verse trilogy is basically this in a nutshell, it's meta commentary on why Spider-Man is an icon but both movies have approached it in different ways
One of the things that surprised me most in this move was Spider-Punk. I’ll avoid spoilers for anyone that hasn’t seen it yet, but instead of going down the route it seemed they were going to go with him, they went a completely different direction and I loved it. Definitely one of the best characters in the film.
My thoughts exactly. He’s honestly one of my favorite characters in the movie simply because of how they subverted my expectations. He contributes to the plot in a way that I didn’t see coming, and it was fantastic.
Miguel’s synth theme keeps reminding me of that lonely whale singing a song in a different frequency travelling the globe for its family but they can’t hear it
What's really crazy is this is like the Perfect comic version of all of these spider-people. I know they are not but its like see marvel is this so hard to write and put on paper lol
I'd argue that not having a climactic fight is the movie's biggest problem, like it ends without ever getting to the third act. But to each their own, it's still a good movie with fantastic animation.
@@aminyapussi4740 oh I know there'll be a third act, but moving it to another film that's a year away makes the current film unsatisfying IMO. There have been sequels with cliffhangers/loose ends before (Infinity War, Empire Strikes Back, TDK, Two Towers, etc.) but they still had climactic third acts and felt fulfilling on their own.
Disagree. The climax was the giant chase scene which was epic. You don’t need to punch people for there to be a “battle.” It’s like complaining that Se7en ended without a climax when the emotional reveal/twist was the climax, just as the twist in this movie was the final pump of adrenaline for the climax. So imagine Se7en but instead of them having the killer in custody, it ends with the box and the promise of “we’re going to get him” which is a new story to continue on the tapestry of that epic. I thought it was perfect 10/10.
I loved punk Spider-Man he was the secret gem of the movie. The way he told him to absorb with his hands and the way he knew from the jump that this was wrong was amazing.
And I didnt even notice he was casually stealing parts at the hq while talking to miles to build travel watches for him and gwen until the second watchthrough !! Such a good detail that doesnt distract or make it obvious while building up to the eventual reveal
I love how this movie looked and I'm honestly sad that the animators seem to have been having a rough time with the production. As much as I want part 2, I would gladly wait another 5 years just for them to have any kind of breathing room.
The visuals were jaw dropping, the music was breathtaking and engaging and the emotional moments HIT. I love how those moments are allowed to develop and sit with the characters / audience instead of being undermined by a cheap joke. This is peak cinema. Hats off to everyone involved
Yeah, was a amazing movie. I didn't know it was part 1, but the build up at the end definitely gave that feeling and knew it was coming. So glad they made both 2 and 3 at the same time, because that cliffhanger had me wanting to see the next movie so bad! So good!
Actually there is one moment that is interrupted by a joke and I think it’s brilliant. Spoilers but at the end miles has a heartfelt chat with his mom and reveals to her he’s Spider-Man. Which she reacts to saying “who spider man?” and “is this some kinda cosplay?” The tone quickly changing from dramatic to comedic. This whiplash creates confusion which is payed off with the “oh shit” reveal that Mile’s is on the wrong earth
@@kingkeeper3570 I agree. You think she's just being a clueless mom at first (upon further inspection, it wouldn't make sense for her not to know, considering her husband works with him frequently). Then it sinks in that she's the wrong mom when Uncle Arron comes through.
I personally really liked the slow pace of the first act. Because the moments were great for me. It made me love Gwen. And it delves more into Miles’ relationship with his parents. Particularly his mom, and that was particularly therapeutic for me. It also gives Miles the motivation to go against Miguel (amongst others). When his mom tells him to never let anyone else tell him he doesn’t belong. It sets up Miles vehemently going against Miguel telling him he’s a mistake, and standing against the Spider Society. It made me really ship Miles and Gwen, as friends and as future romantic partners. The scene with them hanging upside down together was beautiful. The scene where Gwen is investigating the Spot’s earlier crime scene and she’s reporting to Jessica. Meanwhile Miles snuck up on her and is invisible while looking her in the eyes as she’s explaining her lies out loud, was brilliant and emotional.
Agreed. Don't like how they kinda forcibly (in my opinion) made Hobie a third wheel in their blooming relationship by making Miles jealous of Gwen crashing at this place tho, because besides those few random quips they really had no romantic overtones whatsoever. Also the producer teasing this movie as 'focusing on Miles and Gwen's romance' is kinda pushing it a little imo, because it's hardly even a focus lmao
The only bad thing about this movie is that it ended right at the peak of moment. I was totally absorbed and then it felt like the ending literally said "see ya chump" in your face. I can't wait for the final part of this awesome trilogy.
So glad Daniel Pemberton's score is being touched on because I felt that due to how impressive the visuals, themes, story, etc. was in the first spider-verse, his score went a little under the radar but he topped himself with this incredible score. Also cool to see Joaquim Dos Santos go from directing some of my favorite Avatar The Last Airbender episodes in my childhood to helming a large scale superhero animated movie pushing the limits of animation
yes the ost here is great. I have Hummingbird on repeat. also had no clue that we had a bit of avatar the last airbender staff on this movie. anything they touch is gold
@@moonsets-on_you I feel like the score also went a bit under the radar because of the star-studded soundtrack album by Metro Boomin (which is great in its own right). Same thing happened with Ludwig Goranssons absolutely incredible Black Panther scores.
The new additions to the cast like Hobie and Pavitr elevated the movie to a level I didn't known was possible. The way the narrative handles its side characters is nothing short of exemplary. Stellar work.
This. They weren't just minor additions to the cast like Peni, Noir and Ham, who didn't really have an arc or do too much, cool as they were; Hobie and Pavitr actually really contributed and were significant to the overall plot.
I loved that it JUST. KEPT. GOING. that cliffhanger was amazing. I loved it taking its time to get to the main plot. It was like starting up the engine, letting it warm up, turning on the radio and blasting off.
I had to take the worst piss and every time the music ramped up I felt a rush of relief, then it kept going and I got excited that there's still more movie left. What a rollercoaster.
And then going to a race, but right before the big event starts you turn your car off, get out, leave your car at the starting line and yell to everyone as you walk away "let's do this tomorrow instead". There is no conclusion to this film. You could technically say that Gwen gets an ending in a way, but our main character does not. A lot of people compare this to empire, but I don't think that works bc in empire we get the whole "Luke I am your father" reveal and confrontation before the ending of the film. We don't get anything similar here, essentially it's the equivalent of Darth Vader and Luke walking up to the room they're about to meet in at the end and the screen just cuts to black as a tbc message pops up. Kind of annoying. Everything else is perfect about this film though I'm gonna be honest.
How was the cliffhanger "amazing"? It ended abruptly and right before what was mostly going to be a decisive battle. It was absolutely the worst part of the movie
Also it feels like the team wanted this movie to he even longer but had to cut down and make it shorter I’m surprised that this movie is 2hours long because it didn’t felt like it it was fun that I forgot the movie was 2 hours
I personally love the first third of the movie,it’s just so heartfelt and sets up so much emptional baggage for both Gwen and Miles and getting to catch up on how they were doing after the events of the first movie was so entretaining to me,definitely my favorite part of the movie
Yep, and for what we’ve seen of what they’re doing with Spot animation wise and even more different Spidey in the same team by grouping both movies friendships he made I honestly doubt is gonna be just ok.
The thing I like most about this movie is how it lovingly ties in all Spiderman media in such a cohesive way. From the very first comic, to the live action movies, video games, all the animated tv series, and even some shout outs to fanmade material. You really get to appreciate just how much this character means to so many people, and see how much that character has grown and evolved over the years.
It felt like act 2 of a 3 act story. My guess is when the third movie comes out we’re gonna look back at Spider-Verse as a single story told in the strongest trilogy of all time.
u gotta admit they did a really good job with setting up a cliffhanger that was still a pretty satisfying place to end a lot of ppl were only upset because that’s how they found out it was a one-parter but they said that it would be one like a long ass time ago
I also enjoyed the shot reverse shot idea because it does mimick a comic book really well. I remember seeing a video breaking down the first issue of Spider-man in 1961 and the backgrounds were solid colors to represent the mental state of the characters.
I’m so happy you touched so heavily on the score! Also I completely agree that I feel like I can’t fully say how good this is on its own yet, without comparing I just know that I love it!
I see your argument that the film is incomplete and I raise you “I don’t care because what’s there is still some of the best material I’ve ever seen in any movie ever.”
This was the first time in my life that I watched a movie 2 times in 3 days enjoying both equally. Seriously this is so packed, so dense, so well animated that you can watch even 3 times without getting bored.
That was me verbatim, I might possibly go a 3rd time with some family friends of mine. First time I went with my gf, then the homies, now family friends
The easter eggs alone can keep you entertained for multiple watches. Apparently the Spider-Man popsicle is in the background during one of the chases and I completely missed that until I saw a meme pointing it out lol can't wait to see it again
I agree the conclusion can feel weaker in comparison to the first. But I believe it had a really good subtle conclusion. (SPOILER) Just like you said, Gwen really feels like the second main character, and she receives a conclusion to her emotional arc. Additionally, Miles emotional doubts about his family and trust are slightly resolved by the end. I genuinely believe that this movie is better than the first.
I actually completely agree with this, it reminds me of empire in the way that the co-lead(s) (Gwen/Han + Leia) complete an arc while the other, perhaps more prominent lead (Miles/Luke) is left on a cliffhanger
right? The end of Miles' arc in this movie is the decision to break from the norm, to go in his own direction. His "nah" is such a satisfying resolution to the struggles he's faced throughout the movie. His desire to belong and to find himself concludes in that realisation. It's incredible
@@zumabbar i think it went a tad too long for the perfect spot, it wouldve made fans probably more mad. But I think it shouldve ended with just Uncle Aaron saying “im not the prowler” the fact that it shows more and the fact that it shows the team Gwen built but she recruits them off screen… yea the last little bit imo is basically a trailer lol.
The whats up danger scene is masterclass. But I think the "Nah, Imma do my own thing" scene and the falling apart scene as well as the first 20 minutes in gwens world are for me even better.
@@unlawfulbl9516 ITSV won best animated feature and ATSV topped it bro. ATSV is a lock for a nomination and probably a lock for the win in that category. And if the Academy somehow gets past their animation hate, maybe even nominated for best picture.
As progressive and inclusive as it ACTUALLY IS, Its not stomping you in the face with "The Message" so theres no way itll even be on the oscars radar. Its just TOO damn good of a movie
@@Mialikesthings Yeah but that sounds diverse so its not surprising. Jokes aside idk the film so i cant comment on how good it is but its at the point where you have to question if a movie wins based on merit or pandering.
the first movies lighter cleaner and simpler it was perfect. 2nd one was heavier messier and somehow prettier not quite perfect but insanely good i actually preferred the 2nd one from what ive seen so far
@@onepresence9460 yeah, it’s not like this movie is a surprise success and now they’re trying to think of a story for the third. i’m sure the entire story plot has been written well before the production of this movies animation even began. it is not going to miss and it’s gonna be huge in terms of cultural phenomenon
@@andrewnugent6207 Don't be too doubtful. Remember: The development team is the same in Part 2 as it is for Part 1. People doubt because of the sequel effect but you need to remember that the team behind this film are STILL working. Their momentum and pacing remain. They're not resting. They're working as we speak. So rest assured, friend: While some development teams take years between projects and lose that oomf, that won't be happening here.
I thought it was perfect. Visually stunning, and a theater experience like I’ve never had before. *SPOILERS BELOW* The slow collective realization that we were nearing the end of the runtime as everything was going to shit (narratively speaking, of course) was an incredible moment. The plot twists, Gwen and her Dad’s emotional arc, Miguel as a villain, everything was just perfect. I sat in the theater absolutely stunned as the credits rolled. The first Spiderverse was a 10, and I think this one might just be an 11.
The writing was soooo damn good I’m actually quite confident they’ll end it with a 10/10. Setups were done so perfectly, the payoffs should be downhill
I personally found some of the writing to be shaky. Gwen's Peter Parker and the whole thing of how he actively transformed himself into the Lizard "just to be special" or how apparently no one saw/remembered him trying to kill people as a giant Lizard at a school dance and her Dad just accepts that Spiderwoman is a murderer. It also seems a bit odd that no Peter Parker or Spiderman questions Miguel in his information and how they all just accept his theory that only he himself has witnessed (in an event that couldn't even be considered a Peter Parker/Spiderman canon event) - I mean, he traveled to another world to trick a family he was someone he's not and nobody thinks that's just a tiny bit shady or he might be wrong at any point.
@@thehumanity0Miguel wasn't the only spider-person present when that universe colapsed, in the scene it happens you can spot others trying to rescue people too. This, and Jessica Drew dialogue in Mumbatthan implying they also saw that happen more times, can explain why the spiders follow Miguel so easily. But how the alternate Miguel was a key point to a canon event is a actual plothole, hope Beyond adresses it
@@doxdoc591 Yeahhh pretty sure Miguel traveling to a new universe to take over another spiderman's life is so out of canon it's absurd. That's why I theorized that he must be lying and thus it's ridiculous all the other Spidermen just follow him despite his shady story (also he literally acts like an unhinged villain in front of all of them). Either way, there's some pretty big holes in the writing, which is my main point. It ain't no 10/10 - only the visuals get a 10/10
He only briefly touched on it because of spoilers, but both main antagonists of this film were so well fleshed out and they each only got about half of the movie’s screen time. Miguel in particular basically has the one scene where he explains the spiderverse and then a long ass chase and he still feels so compelling
I agree with the majority of this analysis but I think the logic of it being a first parter and therefore couldn’t be a 10 or better than the first solely because it’s a first parter and couldn’t be a 10 by design is a little off, I think even without a complete, 2 part story there is still a very recognizable climax and resolution in the film; just because everything doesn’t come to a conclusion doesn’t mean this movie lacked one in its own right. Just because there is more to see doesn’t mean what I have seen isn’t perfect in my opinion. I don’t think considering this better than the first is laughable at all, but I totally see why people would think the first is better.
The problem is not that it's just a first part but that it has no ending. Infinity war was just a first part and still feels like it's own movie. This movie just doesn't end. Doesn't tie anything up. It just opens packages of plots and leaves it's sequel to close them.
Thank you. I just wrote a fucking thesis a minute ago in the comments about this exact thing. Isolating the reasoning. No climax or a cliffhanger ending = minus points. That's what everyone says. but Infinity War ends on a cliffhanger and everyone says that ones better than endgame. But cliffhanger. we end the movie without an ending to the story. So shouldn't we minus points on it? Or are we just gonna ignore the thought of it NEEDING to be a linear vanilla progression of story telling, and instead ju dging the movie on all of it's feats like we should? Because me for one I love the first one, I was afraid this one wouldnt be as good because sequels rarely are. But I think personally this one was better, but at the very very least, this one holds up perfectly with the 1st movie and both should be heralded as Champions of Animation, and Super hero diamond standard of story telling. Not 1 below the other, both equal sitting at the top. and if the 3rd one holds up, then I want the 3 of them up on that pedestal because they deserve it.
i completely agree my mind instantly goes to empire strikes back which ended on a massive cliffhanger and not all of the loose ends were closed but its easily a superior sequel.
Worth noting that the director Joaquim Dos Santos was also a director on Avatar The Last Airbender and executive producer for Legend Of Korra. Dude is a god.
I really don't get people saying this isn't a complete experience. Miles longs to be part of a team and ends up having to go it alone. Gwen resists being part of a band and becomes the leader of a group of Spider people. There arcs are pretty complete. As far as cliffhangers go, this was more satisfying than Dune, Fellowship, and I'll say it, Empire.
Agreed. The cliffhanger was earned AND arcs were completed. I was honestly happy to see it end because i knew they couldn't wrap everything up in 25 minutes , so seeing another 2+ hr movie is going to come out soon just made me so excited.
A lot of people who watched this like myself are just casual superhero movie fans. The plot was being set up the whole time and the villain became very powerful and then nothing happened. It’s set up but there was no final battle. That’s why people didn’t enjoy it (like me). I like to see a payoff it just is unfinished
Even if we were assuming their character arcs were mostly complete, the story is 100% not complete & you completely miss out on any narrative-based payoff their character arcs bring to the table in a final battle or confrontation that carries the weight of that emotion.
@thehumanity0 Outwitting Miguel, Gwen reconciling with her father, Miles coming out to his mom, Spot breaching Miles' universe were all payoffs. Minus definitively defeating an antagonist, they're pretty much going to have to start new arcs for the main characters if the next movie is going to be any good. I'm not denying there's still unfinished business, but I think as a middle chapter of a trilogy, this is as complete as it gets. The only other middle chapter movie that does it better, IMO, is maybe the Two Towers. Think about the first Tobey McGuire Spidey. He kills Goblin takes on the mantle of Spider-Man, but we don't get any resolution to what this means for his relationship with Harry or MJ. And that's the first movie. He just gets to murder the baddie.
Couple of notes. First off, I actually thought the pacing was really great. I know it was slower. But it still didn't feel slow to me. It felt grow up, relaxed, comfortable. Not slow. Second. I haven't seen anyone mention Gwyn's theme has an adapted motif from the "Spider Man" theme song. The guitar plays the same first 6 notes, but with different pacing over the etherial synths at 1:17. For some reason, to me, that was my favorite music moment of the entire score.
I love how Gwen’s universe was kinda like a water color pallet. When she was sad or something it would fade down or change to a darker color. Her universe is def my favorite 🤍
My favorite part of this movie had to be Miles and Gwen's relationship, it just feels so fleshed out and deep. Both miss each other deeply and their eventual reunion just feels so earned and scenes like the upside-down clocktower scene or when they're just chilling eating the food at the party. Platonic or romantic, their interactions were just perfect to me and the complications with Miguel and keeping Miles in the dark was so hard to watch but so well done. I hope they end up together but either way I'm confident the team will give them both good endings. 11/10 movie my mind is blown
Personally I love the family bits, so many stories with young protagonists either make them dead, conveniently absent or somewhat worried but nowhere near they should with such changes. They really go deep into not only how the mantle screws the life of a high schooler but how is pretty much impossible to the parents be chill with their kid suddenly showing up buff, having time windows where he’s totally unaccounted for and clearly hiding something big and I appreciate how they kept their reaction realistic without turning them into a hindrance in the way of Miles saving the day.
Its also a fairly complex relationship. Like, obviously miles is in love with her and wants to be with her, but even if that didn't happen you know they still have a deep enough love for each other that even if it didn't become romantic, they would still need each other
This movie's animation was gorgeous, and all the character work done was incredible. I loved the watercolour style in Gwen's universe as well, really helped exemplify her emotions
This is EXACTLY how I felt about the movie. You did an amazing job articulating this movie's high highs and the things that just didn't quite work as well as the first one.
i agree with reading the first half of a book analogy you gave, but i also think that while parts feel like theyre unresolved, left for part 2, there are a lot of character arcs in this movie that i feel have a strong enough resolution that this can stand on its own, where i can personally say i enjoyed more then the first, though i also agree with some pacing issues
It’s the middle part in a trilogy. So ya, there’s gonna be a mean ass cliffhanger and it’s not gonna wrap up as nicely. But it’s gonna pay off so well when the 3rd comes around
Thanks cosmonaut. Not a single other person has reviewed this movie as honestly as you. You are the only person who has encapsulated my feelings on the film. I love it, but it hasn’t fully matched the level of the first film which has like 3 different parts that leave me with chills every single time I watch.
This was so refreshing. I’m so glad someone is doing something cutting edge with animation now Disney has given up. Stunning movie. Can’t wait for the next one.
As soon as the ‘to be continued’ I instantly thought "that’s it?". Definitely needs to be judged as a whole movie with the 2nd part. But so far so good
Here's what I said to my friends about this film: 8/10 imo, it's half of a movie innit Everything about it is class though, my goodness this film has STYLE. Love how they leaned into the style even more than before and made it absolutely amazing. The colour palettes for each universe and character are unbelievably creative. Some of the emotional scenes especially between Gwen and her dad, the way the backgrounds look and change and the way tu ey portray lighting on their faces... The entire runtime, every action sequence, every movement, every bit of dialogue, just... Its all dripping with swagger. The animators were flexing through the whole film. All the voice acting? The story beats? The OST? The characters portrayed? Small interactions that contributed to the future? If it wasn't half a movie and didn't feel so rushed at times, this would be perfection. I know I clown on the MCU for their constant jokes, but here, it fits. The film takes itself seriously when it needs to and doesn't when its not necessary. The shift from comedic tone to serious is never so jarring as it is in most MCU films. And of course, it helps that theyre not trying to make the animation look realistic in the slightest. 8/10, bit rushed and it's only half a film, but fuck is everything else about this perfect.
I'm so glad you mentioned the score because that was one of the aspects that I noticed the most. It's so beautiful and goes so hard. I'm in love with the score.
This movie is incredible. Visually it's almost magical ✨ You can feel the artists' love for the characters and comics. It's dynamic as hell. I did really like how they used color in the scene between Gwen and her dad. I went into this blind so it was so cool to see everything set up, the darker tone, the themes, and character arcs. The wow factor was off the charts. My friend has read the comics but didn't spoil it for me. I loved the first one and I think I love this one even more. Agree the second scene with the parents dragged a bit but knowing now it's a setup for a second part it was important to establish the stakes and conflict into the next film.
"its like reading a book halfway through and calling it 10/10, it wouldnt make any sense to do that" bro YOU did that when you watched samurai jack. Gave it a 10/10 when the revival season was halfway through airing, and we all know how the second half of the season turned out... Its okay to say something is a 10/10 without knowing the conclusion yet, especially in this case since its a complete movie. We havent seen the end yet, but the journey to get there that we've been on has been perfect.
This movie transcended the animation genre and took it to new heights with fleshed out characters and a fantastic story that'll only become better once BTSV comes out. The Spiderverse movies are shaping up to be the greatest comic book trilogy ever made
Absolutely loved this movie. Phenomenal animation, excellent characters and a killer soundtrack to compliment the ambience of the film. The credits of this movie is one of the only times I stayed in the theatre just to watch it because they were just as captivating as the movie itself. I get why Cosmonaut (and a few others) feel like this movie isn't complete because it's building up to something (as per Loki) but I give that a pass because it not only allows them to tell a grander story with more time, but they'll definitely keep to their promise and give us an ending they want. Hopefully, Loki Season 2 is as good as the first, but I honestly have no doubt Beyond the Spider-Verse will be a great ending.
My opinion is that this was fucking incredible and many individual components are better than the OG, but man, nothing will ever top the leap of faith scene in the first movie.
PERFECTLY said. I've not seen anyone who sums up my thoughts on 'Across' better than this. The biggest problem with the movie is that it's NOT a movie. It's the first half of a movie.
Saw across yesterday, and although i think the theater got me sick, the movie was awesome. Just fkng a-ma-zing. But he DID lose his uncle. Why is that not counted as his trauma? Peter lost an uncle, both of them, and one lost an aunt, so uncle Aaron should count. Still, a great way to put together a narrative.
I'm confused about that too. But Uncle aaron is the equivalent of lizard peter. And miles' dad is a parallel to Gwen's dad. And the Gwen Stacy's dad of the original run
@@oXRaptorzXo There are several versions of several canon events shown in the red web explainy thing. The spider bite, Death of a romantic partner, Death of the mentor, Death of a Captain, The Venom Symbiote, Abandoning the costume in a trash can, and even the "upside down kiss", which this movie echoes right before miles follows Gwen through the portal to Mumbattan. There are probably other moments. Very much a "Spider-man's life is made of suffering" metatextual thing, which I believe the movie also wants us, through Miguel, to understand is just plain wrong. Not every spidey experiences or has to experience all of this crap.
Finally got to watch this film today, and just finished listening to Penguin0z's review of it too. Judging by his reaction, yours, my friend who I saw it with, as well as my own; I think it's safe to say this movie's biggest weakness is just the fact that it ends on a cliff hanger. Because it's the only thing that left me wanting more. And I get it, they obviously wrote a story that was going to need more screen time than 1 film to pull off. Which I can totally appreciate, and I have no doubt that the next part will be a completely satisfying conclusion. Honestly this movie blew the first one out of the water in ever single way except for the cliff hanger ending. Best movie of the year for me, so far anyways, hands down. The fact that is manages to juggle so many ideas and art styles flawlessly - not dropping a single ball once - is absolutely amazing.
I’m with you…re-watched the first one for the 5th time and can’t believe how fun it is to watch every time. This one struggled a bit with pacing and tone for me, although there were tons of elements that I really liked. I’m probably more of a 7/10 on the new one with strong potential to go up based on part 2
The fact I've only seen the first Spiderverse a couple times, yet still knew exactly what Marcus was talking about when he mentioned the emotional payoff of the What's up Danger scene really speaks to how great that movie is. I got flashbacks when he mentioned it.
5:42 I absolutely agree with this point. Not even the sky train scene could hold a candle. I just wish Beyond has an amazing sequence with What's Up Danger as the background music
As much as I agree with the overall quality of this movie not being up to the first, this one made me want to do art, like any art, I just feel inspired because of how beautiful it is, and that's definitely worth a couple points for me.
Love how Spot's arc literally goes from run-of-the-mill comic book C-Tier thug/bank robber to an S Tier Black Air Force energy Menace/Nemesis😂😂 Great Villainy in this movie💪🏾💚
This was pretty much exactly my feelings, top to bottom. It's amazing, and a technical improvement over the first (somehow) but I can't say it's a better movie because I haven't finished watching the movie yet. As of now, 1 is better, but it's too early to tell if it's actually better or if it's just better because it's the only one I've, like, finished. Either way, they're both masterpieces.
The cliffhanger in this movie is so good SPOILER!!! I’m really into the whole idea of a different version of Miles becoming the Prowler. It kinda mimics the comics in a way. Because in the comics, Uncle Aaron is a completely different character. He’s not the living Uncle who has a good heart but does bad things, like in the first spider verse. In the comics, when Uncle Aaron finds out Miles has powers, he basically uses him as a super villain side kick. He tried to get Miles to do bad things. And I love that Earth 42s Uncle Aaron is basically the same as the comic version. He uses Miles for evil. As Marcus says, Miles isn’t that great in the comics. But the first spider verse really fixed him and made him into a compelling character, and the sequel goes even further. So the cliffhanger kinda feels like the spider verse writers are acknowledging that Miles was broken in the comics, and now in Spiderverse 3, Miles has to fight this broken version of himself. It’s really meta and I like it. Also I love how New York in Earth 42 is basically fucking Gotham city, because that universe doesn’t have Spider-Man. It’s such an emotional and kinda oddly satisfying cliffhanger. Marcus said that this feels like an incomplete movie (and it does,) but the twist at the end, plus the cliffhanger which introduces a whole new villain, is still oddly satisfying to me. This is the first time I’ve been excited about a movie in a very long time
I'm calling it now. Miguel O'Hara isn't Miguel O'Hara. It's Morlun. Miguel has never been so ripped and big, he's not a vampire, and he's not as antagonistic. Morlun eats totemic characters, like Spiderman or Black Panther, which would include Vulture, who he tried to eat until he was stopped. In fact, we have no idea about his backstory, only that he took over (another) Miguel O'Hara's life... Like they mention he's a vampire in such a way that both has no impact in the actual movie (can't speak for the next one) and barely does anything to show said vampiric abilities other than trying to eat Vulture. He might as well not have them, but I'm sure there's a future reason as to why. Also, probably doesn't matter, but in the Spanish version, the Miguel at the end of the first movie doesn't sound like this Miguel, he sounds a lot younger and more Spiderman-like, while this one is darker and more jaded. So, in short, It's Morlin' time.
miguel is pretty much a vampire tho he’s always had fangs and claws and even a venom bite he’s definitely hiding something from the rest of the spidermen but it’d be lame if he turned out to be morlun
@@mashedpotato84 i think it would kill a lot of the narrative impact to have him be a secret villain. the multiple villains thing works only because he is a heroic antagonist
I… don’t like that twist. That would murder all the nuance of Miguel’s character and portrayal. He’s a little jerkier and colder than normal, but he’s basically a 1:1 of comic Miguel (at least the early version of him).
you pretty much put it perfectly bro. I was left in awe through the whole movie, it was so good but ultimately left me unsatisfied (by design ofc). I'm sad it's over for now but I can't wait for the next one
I can respect that stance. For me, all the parts of this movie mesh better than the original. Miles feels like a brighter, happier Spider-Man but still feels distinctly like Spider-Man and while there wasn't a moment that hit the hype level of "What's up danger". So many moments hit hard but hit differently that I have to say, regardless of what happens next, This was one of the best movies I've seen. This movie, admittedly with help from the first one and the PS games, etc, still has me in turmoil over whether Miles has become my favorite Spider-Man. If you had told me even a year ago that I'd be questioning whether Miles or Peter is my favorite I'd have laughed in your face so hard I'd have been on the floor
The ending to infinity war felt more satisfying and complete while understanding the full story wasn’t complete like a season finale to a great tv show Across the spider-verse felt way less complete and like they ran out of time rather than they were done telling this part of the story. Still an amazing movie though.
They basically adapt Gwen's entire first comic arc with her father flawlessly in about 15 minutes
jawdropping
Masterclass !
That's the thing I think is so impressive. Both of these movies juggle a lot of main characters, arcs, locations, major and minor villains. It already feels like we've spent about as much time with Miles and Gwen as any of the live action Spider-Men.
And it felt stupid as in many other incarnation and variation of that public thinks spiderman is bad.
So nobody see the giant crock monster, but hero of the city that leaves criminals hanging from webs is immediately and unquestionably the baddy that killed a kid that died at the scene and crock disappeared.
Except for the fact that it was literally the same story we watched with Miles in the last film!
@@brandonjanicki1601 Miles dad doesn't know he's spidey and try to arrest him or go on a manhunt. So...ummm...what r you talking about?
Gwen’s universe was so visually appealing to watch. The water colouring was amazing to look at. I love when her and her dad hugged, there were warm colours that spread across the screen.
@Julian “Jules” Rhmm... Thats interesting to think about
That part almost made me cry. It was a beautiful movie.
It looks just like her comics do!! That was so cool, how they tied in the visual style of her comics
JUST LIKE IN HER COMICS AND COVERS
@Julian “Jules” R nope thats just like the covers and comics, not other media sorry
So glad you mentioned Pemberton’s score. He must have burned at least five studios down making that music and people aren’t talking about it nearly enough.
The score is fantastic, I don't think I've heard a better, more creative score in a superhero movie.
@@nathanball99With other superhero movies, even the most recent, even if it IS done well, the soundtrack doesn’t feel as distinguishable as it needs to be, with each superhero fight/dramatic music feeling like they could be placed with other dramatic music. Daniel Pemberton’s music in Miles’s own words, does its own thing. You could still hear the deep horns, but they synch so well with the events in the story that it can fit with the Spider-Verse movies and them ALONE.
It’s seriously a pleasure to listen to along with the stunning and technically impressive visuals!
Not just pemberton but metro boomin’s album was an incredible addition
I got chills when I first heard Spider-Man 2099’s theme
The 'what's up danger' scene is unique because it was conceived by the Spanish artist Alberto Mielgo as a proof of concept for Sony. He wrote, designed and animated that piece before there was even a script for Into the Spider-Verse. So it existed completely outside of that movie. Probably one of the best moving-storyboards I've ever seen.
i rewatched his 3 versions of storyboard religiously
i rewatched his 3 spiderverse storyboards religiously
i rewatched his 3 versions of storyboard religiously
i rewatched his 3 versions of storyboard religiously
i rewatched his 3 versions of storyboard religiously
When Miles says "There's no spider-man here."
Man the feeling of dread is palpable in that very moment.
It felt like Miles was really in the darkest world he shouldn't go into, ever.
And it all goes downhill from there.
True, it felt scary.
When he told his mum he was Spider-Man I was like "somethings off here" and then the penny dropped that he was in universe 42 I was like "OH SHIT" my heart was pumping throught the whole ending it was fkn great
Yea that was crazy, it was like Detroit.
Miles went to Ravenholm
I love how Spiderpunk kept changing designs because he hates consistency.
I DIDNT THINK OF THAT THATS GENIUS
His body parts were animated at different frame rates too.
WAIT THAT"S ACTUALLY omo that's perfectly him
He doesn’t hate it , he just doesn’t believe in consistency
and his guitar’s outline didn’t properly crop because he hates conformity
This movie made me realize that Spider-Man has become a Shakespearian-type character. He’s so well known that new authors can use references from his previous stories to add depth to characters, and even change those tropes to tell new stories with new meaning and commentary. It happens all the time with Shakespeare’s characters, it’s metatextuality-really amazing to see that in a Spider-Man movie.
The first movie does basically say that out loud, too.
We have gotten to the point there the super hero stories are so well know that they basically modern day myths a and legends
@@pugman9672 Always have been.
Silver Age Superman and Sun Wukong of Chinese mythology have a lot of similarities. Including the massive leaps that later got reimagined as flight.
That and the fact that no matter what iteration or version of the character's story, it always contains huge amounts of tragedy. Shakespeare would be proud
The whole Spider-Verse trilogy is basically this in a nutshell, it's meta commentary on why Spider-Man is an icon but both movies have approached it in different ways
One of the things that surprised me most in this move was Spider-Punk. I’ll avoid spoilers for anyone that hasn’t seen it yet, but instead of going down the route it seemed they were going to go with him, they went a completely different direction and I loved it. Definitely one of the best characters in the film.
My thoughts exactly. He’s honestly one of my favorite characters in the movie simply because of how they subverted my expectations. He contributes to the plot in a way that I didn’t see coming, and it was fantastic.
I liked Hobie 👉👈
@@benseguin6141 He's a terrorist
Also holy shit he looks so cool. The style is so fun to watch.
SPOILER ALERT
Hobie just straight-up exiting the movie at the halfway point was PERFECT
Miguel’s synth theme keeps reminding me of that lonely whale singing a song in a different frequency travelling the globe for its family but they can’t hear it
It's a reference to the spider man unlimited theme
Damn, that's deep.
Breh that has me weak lol
@@jadyntrujillo5043 that's what I thought as well, it brought back some nostalgia in a way.
@@jadyntrujillo5043 also to his theme in Shattered Dimensions, it’s quite literally the same song
That was better than any Spiderman comic in the last decade.
What's really crazy is this is like the Perfect comic version of all of these spider-people. I know they are not but its like see marvel is this so hard to write and put on paper lol
I just love that they let Peter grow up and have a baby that’s all we want
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ repent deez nuts
I just want them to continue Renew Your Vows. They can ruin 616 Spidey all they want because Renew Your Vows (Earth-18119) is my headcanon.
@@Hardrive2677 in the comics he just get ntred
This is the sequel we didnt deserve, but needed. The animators did spectacular work
We didn't need it but we do deserve it, actually
hello again
Amazing work even!
Other way around
@xa nt we don't deserve or need it but we still got it and it's amazing
I love how by the end, Spot is practically a cosmic terror. And props to them for not ending on a climactic fight.
And no sky beam
I'd argue that not having a climactic fight is the movie's biggest problem, like it ends without ever getting to the third act. But to each their own, it's still a good movie with fantastic animation.
@@MrEdit-ic7th That's like watching the first half of a story and saying there is no third act. There definitely is it will jsut take 1 more year.
@@aminyapussi4740 oh I know there'll be a third act, but moving it to another film that's a year away makes the current film unsatisfying IMO. There have been sequels with cliffhangers/loose ends before (Infinity War, Empire Strikes Back, TDK, Two Towers, etc.) but they still had climactic third acts and felt fulfilling on their own.
Disagree. The climax was the giant chase scene which was epic. You don’t need to punch people for there to be a “battle.” It’s like complaining that Se7en ended without a climax when the emotional reveal/twist was the climax, just as the twist in this movie was the final pump of adrenaline for the climax.
So imagine Se7en but instead of them having the killer in custody, it ends with the box and the promise of “we’re going to get him” which is a new story to continue on the tapestry of that epic.
I thought it was perfect 10/10.
to no-ones surprise, the movie was fantastic
This isn't Fantastic Four.
Kinda mid tbh
Agreed, was better than the first imo.
@@Stel298 Why do you think so?
What? The alt right TH-cam accounts posting rage bait lied?!
I loved punk Spider-Man he was the secret gem of the movie. The way he told him to absorb with his hands and the way he knew from the jump that this was wrong was amazing.
@XXxTheTrojanHorsexXXthat shit was so fucking funny without being out of character for one bit
And I didnt even notice he was casually stealing parts at the hq while talking to miles to build travel watches for him and gwen until the second watchthrough !! Such a good detail that doesnt distract or make it obvious while building up to the eventual reveal
@XXxTheTrojanHorsexXX for me it was "I don't believe in consistecy" while fighting the Spot with the other spidermen
Hobie you're not helping!
Good
Make you question the logic why the fuck they hire his ass if he hate authority to the core?
I love how this movie looked and I'm honestly sad that the animators seem to have been having a rough time with the production. As much as I want part 2, I would gladly wait another 5 years just for them to have any kind of breathing room.
I agree.
The visuals were jaw dropping, the music was breathtaking and engaging and the emotional moments HIT. I love how those moments are allowed to develop and sit with the characters / audience instead of being undermined by a cheap joke. This is peak cinema. Hats off to everyone involved
Yeah, was a amazing movie. I didn't know it was part 1, but the build up at the end definitely gave that feeling and knew it was coming. So glad they made both 2 and 3 at the same time, because that cliffhanger had me wanting to see the next movie so bad! So good!
and this is why its better than the first
Actually there is one moment that is interrupted by a joke and I think it’s brilliant. Spoilers but at the end miles has a heartfelt chat with his mom and reveals to her he’s Spider-Man. Which she reacts to saying “who spider man?” and “is this some kinda cosplay?” The tone quickly changing from dramatic to comedic. This whiplash creates confusion which is payed off with the “oh shit” reveal that Mile’s is on the wrong earth
@@kingkeeper3570 I agree. You think she's just being a clueless mom at first (upon further inspection, it wouldn't make sense for her not to know, considering her husband works with him frequently). Then it sinks in that she's the wrong mom when Uncle Arron comes through.
I personally really liked the slow pace of the first act. Because the moments were great for me. It made me love Gwen. And it delves more into Miles’ relationship with his parents. Particularly his mom, and that was particularly therapeutic for me. It also gives Miles the motivation to go against Miguel (amongst others). When his mom tells him to never let anyone else tell him he doesn’t belong. It sets up Miles vehemently going against Miguel telling him he’s a mistake, and standing against the Spider Society.
It made me really ship Miles and Gwen, as friends and as future romantic partners. The scene with them hanging upside down together was beautiful. The scene where Gwen is investigating the Spot’s earlier crime scene and she’s reporting to Jessica. Meanwhile Miles snuck up on her and is invisible while looking her in the eyes as she’s explaining her lies out loud, was brilliant and emotional.
I know this movie had so many feels. It was oddly motivational for me & the monologue Mike’s mom gives us is top notch
Nah fr the slower moments are really what hooked me into the movie I didn't get disengaged at all
They were good but all those emotional moments could have been in the film without being as slow as they were.
Agreed.
Don't like how they kinda forcibly (in my opinion) made Hobie a third wheel in their blooming relationship by making Miles jealous of Gwen crashing at this place tho, because besides those few random quips they really had no romantic overtones whatsoever.
Also the producer teasing this movie as 'focusing on Miles and Gwen's romance' is kinda pushing it a little imo, because it's hardly even a focus lmao
Am I the only one who felt oike the first half was exciting and chaotic while the second is ethereal and emotional
this movie is so good that the main complaint people have with it is that it ends
haha, in my Theater, when the title card "to be continued" appeared, i could see a lot of people complaining but also applauding at the same time
yeah when my dopamine flow was cut off I was so disappointed lol. All good things must stop, howeever.
TIme to wait for all that emotional pay off to happen in the next movie about a year from now.
2024, in less than 12 months. 😎👍🏾
No plot for the first half of the movie
The only bad thing about this movie is that it ended right at the peak of moment. I was totally absorbed and then it felt like the ending literally said "see ya chump" in your face. I can't wait for the final part of this awesome trilogy.
So glad Daniel Pemberton's score is being touched on because I felt that due to how impressive the visuals, themes, story, etc. was in the first spider-verse, his score went a little under the radar but he topped himself with this incredible score. Also cool to see Joaquim Dos Santos go from directing some of my favorite Avatar The Last Airbender episodes in my childhood to helming a large scale superhero animated movie pushing the limits of animation
yes the ost here is great. I have Hummingbird on repeat. also had no clue that we had a bit of avatar the last airbender staff on this movie. anything they touch is gold
@@moonsets-on_you I feel like the score also went a bit under the radar because of the star-studded soundtrack album by Metro Boomin (which is great in its own right). Same thing happened with Ludwig Goranssons absolutely incredible Black Panther scores.
The new additions to the cast like Hobie and Pavitr elevated the movie to a level I didn't known was possible. The way the narrative handles its side characters is nothing short of exemplary. Stellar work.
This. They weren't just minor additions to the cast like Peni, Noir and Ham, who didn't really have an arc or do too much, cool as they were; Hobie and Pavitr actually really contributed and were significant to the overall plot.
I love how in Gwen’s universe , the colors change by the mood/emotion that the characters give .
I like Gwen, i wish she were my gf
@@LuisSierra42 she’s not real
@@LuisSierra42 Brudda starving
I loved that it JUST. KEPT. GOING. that cliffhanger was amazing. I loved it taking its time to get to the main plot. It was like starting up the engine, letting it warm up, turning on the radio and blasting off.
I had to take the worst piss and every time the music ramped up I felt a rush of relief, then it kept going and I got excited that there's still more movie left. What a rollercoaster.
And then going to a race, but right before the big event starts you turn your car off, get out, leave your car at the starting line and yell to everyone as you walk away "let's do this tomorrow instead".
There is no conclusion to this film. You could technically say that Gwen gets an ending in a way, but our main character does not.
A lot of people compare this to empire, but I don't think that works bc in empire we get the whole "Luke I am your father" reveal and confrontation before the ending of the film. We don't get anything similar here, essentially it's the equivalent of Darth Vader and Luke walking up to the room they're about to meet in at the end and the screen just cuts to black as a tbc message pops up. Kind of annoying. Everything else is perfect about this film though I'm gonna be honest.
How was the cliffhanger "amazing"? It ended abruptly and right before what was mostly going to be a decisive battle. It was absolutely the worst part of the movie
@@thehumanity0 agree, felt like the story didnt go anywhere
Also it feels like the team wanted this movie to he even longer but had to cut down and make it shorter
I’m surprised that this movie is 2hours long because it didn’t felt like it it was fun that I forgot the movie was 2 hours
I personally love the first third of the movie,it’s just so heartfelt and sets up so much emptional baggage for both Gwen and Miles and getting to catch up on how they were doing after the events of the first movie was so entretaining to me,definitely my favorite part of the movie
One of the few movies where I heard people swear at the screen because of the cliffhanger but still clapped cause it was so good.
I experienced the exact same thing
I’m kinda convinced we all went to the same screening now
Could be the best trilogy ever even if the last movie is OK no doubt.
Yep, and for what we’ve seen of what they’re doing with Spot animation wise and even more different Spidey in the same team by grouping both movies friendships he made I honestly doubt is gonna be just ok.
Lord of the Rings is unbeatable
@@Xpertfusion It's subjective.
@@Xpertfusion i’m a massive lotr fan but they definitely aren’t perfect movies
@@sopsiarskye1577 I know. I never said otherwise. Was just sharing my opinion
The thing I like most about this movie is how it lovingly ties in all Spiderman media in such a cohesive way. From the very first comic, to the live action movies, video games, all the animated tv series, and even some shout outs to fanmade material. You really get to appreciate just how much this character means to so many people, and see how much that character has grown and evolved over the years.
It felt like act 2 of a 3 act story. My guess is when the third movie comes out we’re gonna look back at Spider-Verse as a single story told in the strongest trilogy of all time.
Lord Of The Rings holds that title. I don't think Spiderverse is anywhere close to taking it. Nothing is.
u gotta admit they did a really good job with setting up a cliffhanger that was still a pretty satisfying place to end
a lot of ppl were only upset because that’s how they found out it was a one-parter but they said that it would be one like a long ass time ago
I didn’t think they’d be able to top the visuals from the first one but god DAMN they did it
I also enjoyed the shot reverse shot idea because it does mimick a comic book really well. I remember seeing a video breaking down the first issue of Spider-man in 1961 and the backgrounds were solid colors to represent the mental state of the characters.
I’m so happy you touched so heavily on the score! Also I completely agree that I feel like I can’t fully say how good this is on its own yet, without comparing I just know that I love it!
I see your argument that the film is incomplete and I raise you “I don’t care because what’s there is still some of the best material I’ve ever seen in any movie ever.”
jay cummingham
@@brown-eyedcheese5440 I’m never commenting ever again
This was the first time in my life that I watched a movie 2 times in 3 days enjoying both equally. Seriously this is so packed, so dense, so well animated that you can watch even 3 times without getting bored.
That was me verbatim, I might possibly go a 3rd time with some family friends of mine. First time I went with my gf, then the homies, now family friends
The easter eggs alone can keep you entertained for multiple watches. Apparently the Spider-Man popsicle is in the background during one of the chases and I completely missed that until I saw a meme pointing it out lol can't wait to see it again
I agree the conclusion can feel weaker in comparison to the first.
But I believe it had a really good subtle conclusion.
(SPOILER)
Just like you said, Gwen really feels like the second main character, and she receives a conclusion to her emotional arc.
Additionally, Miles emotional doubts about his family and trust are slightly resolved by the end.
I genuinely believe that this movie is better than the first.
I actually completely agree with this, it reminds me of empire in the way that the co-lead(s) (Gwen/Han + Leia) complete an arc while the other, perhaps more prominent lead (Miles/Luke) is left on a cliffhanger
right? The end of Miles' arc in this movie is the decision to break from the norm, to go in his own direction. His "nah" is such a satisfying resolution to the struggles he's faced throughout the movie. His desire to belong and to find himself concludes in that realisation. It's incredible
True
@@disconsolate3235 so think of, what, the last third, quarter, or a fifth?, of the movie as some kind of a post credit scene for Beyond??
@@zumabbar i think it went a tad too long for the perfect spot, it wouldve made fans probably more mad. But I think it shouldve ended with just Uncle Aaron saying “im not the prowler” the fact that it shows more and the fact that it shows the team Gwen built but she recruits them off screen… yea the last little bit imo is basically a trailer lol.
The whats up danger scene is masterclass. But I think the "Nah, Imma do my own thing" scene and the falling apart scene as well as the first 20 minutes in gwens world are for me even better.
If this movie doesnt get an Oscar for the visuals ill go insane
It won't even be nominated for anything, let alone win.
@@unlawfulbl9516 ITSV won best animated feature and ATSV topped it bro. ATSV is a lock for a nomination and probably a lock for the win in that category. And if the Academy somehow gets past their animation hate, maybe even nominated for best picture.
As progressive and inclusive as it ACTUALLY IS, Its not stomping you in the face with "The Message" so theres no way itll even be on the oscars radar. Its just TOO damn good of a movie
@@versecontro4898I mean The miyazaki film did not push it’s message yet it wom
@@Mialikesthings Yeah but that sounds diverse so its not surprising. Jokes aside idk the film so i cant comment on how good it is but its at the point where you have to question if a movie wins based on merit or pandering.
the first movies lighter cleaner and simpler it was perfect. 2nd one was heavier messier and somehow prettier not quite perfect but insanely good i actually preferred the 2nd one from what ive seen so far
Gonna be interesting to see if the second part can live up to this one
I'm worried it can't
I had my doubts that the sequel could surpass the first one, but after seeing this movie, i’m confident that the third one will be even better.
@@onepresence9460 yeah, it’s not like this movie is a surprise success and now they’re trying to think of a story for the third. i’m sure the entire story plot has been written well before the production of this movies animation even began. it is not going to miss and it’s gonna be huge in terms of cultural phenomenon
Definitely. That's the part where everything concludes so.. 🧍🏿♂
@@andrewnugent6207 Don't be too doubtful. Remember: The development team is the same in Part 2 as it is for Part 1. People doubt because of the sequel effect but you need to remember that the team behind this film are STILL working. Their momentum and pacing remain. They're not resting. They're working as we speak.
So rest assured, friend: While some development teams take years between projects and lose that oomf, that won't be happening here.
I thought it was perfect. Visually stunning, and a theater experience like I’ve never had before.
*SPOILERS BELOW*
The slow collective realization that we were nearing the end of the runtime as everything was going to shit (narratively speaking, of course) was an incredible moment. The plot twists, Gwen and her Dad’s emotional arc, Miguel as a villain, everything was just perfect. I sat in the theater absolutely stunned as the credits rolled. The first Spiderverse was a 10, and I think this one might just be an 11.
The writing was soooo damn good I’m actually quite confident they’ll end it with a 10/10. Setups were done so perfectly, the payoffs should be downhill
I personally found some of the writing to be shaky. Gwen's Peter Parker and the whole thing of how he actively transformed himself into the Lizard "just to be special" or how apparently no one saw/remembered him trying to kill people as a giant Lizard at a school dance and her Dad just accepts that Spiderwoman is a murderer. It also seems a bit odd that no Peter Parker or Spiderman questions Miguel in his information and how they all just accept his theory that only he himself has witnessed (in an event that couldn't even be considered a Peter Parker/Spiderman canon event) - I mean, he traveled to another world to trick a family he was someone he's not and nobody thinks that's just a tiny bit shady or he might be wrong at any point.
@@thehumanity0Miguel wasn't the only spider-person present when that universe colapsed, in the scene it happens you can spot others trying to rescue people too. This, and Jessica Drew dialogue in Mumbatthan implying they also saw that happen more times, can explain why the spiders follow Miguel so easily. But how the alternate Miguel was a key point to a canon event is a actual plothole, hope Beyond adresses it
@@doxdoc591 Yeahhh pretty sure Miguel traveling to a new universe to take over another spiderman's life is so out of canon it's absurd. That's why I theorized that he must be lying and thus it's ridiculous all the other Spidermen just follow him despite his shady story (also he literally acts like an unhinged villain in front of all of them). Either way, there's some pretty big holes in the writing, which is my main point. It ain't no 10/10 - only the visuals get a 10/10
@@thehumanity0 facts
Saying "the payoff should be downhill" means that you predict the payoff will be bad. Like it went downhill.
He only briefly touched on it because of spoilers, but both main antagonists of this film were so well fleshed out and they each only got about half of the movie’s screen time. Miguel in particular basically has the one scene where he explains the spiderverse and then a long ass chase and he still feels so compelling
I agree with the majority of this analysis but I think the logic of it being a first parter and therefore couldn’t be a 10 or better than the first solely because it’s a first parter and couldn’t be a 10 by design is a little off, I think even without a complete, 2 part story there is still a very recognizable climax and resolution in the film; just because everything doesn’t come to a conclusion doesn’t mean this movie lacked one in its own right. Just because there is more to see doesn’t mean what I have seen isn’t perfect in my opinion. I don’t think considering this better than the first is laughable at all, but I totally see why people would think the first is better.
Thats what I was thinking. The movie started with Gwen's character arc so it ended with that too.
The problem is not that it's just a first part but that it has no ending. Infinity war was just a first part and still feels like it's own movie.
This movie just doesn't end. Doesn't tie anything up. It just opens packages of plots and leaves it's sequel to close them.
Thank you. I just wrote a fucking thesis a minute ago in the comments about this exact thing. Isolating the reasoning. No climax or a cliffhanger ending = minus points. That's what everyone says. but Infinity War ends on a cliffhanger and everyone says that ones better than endgame. But cliffhanger. we end the movie without an ending to the story. So shouldn't we minus points on it? Or are we just gonna ignore the thought of it NEEDING to be a linear vanilla progression of story telling, and instead ju dging the movie on all of it's feats like we should? Because me for one I love the first one, I was afraid this one wouldnt be as good because sequels rarely are. But I think personally this one was better, but at the very very least, this one holds up perfectly with the 1st movie and both should be heralded as Champions of Animation, and Super hero diamond standard of story telling. Not 1 below the other, both equal sitting at the top. and if the 3rd one holds up, then I want the 3 of them up on that pedestal because they deserve it.
I agree Kill Bill is a 2 part movie, but part still stands as it's own great movie
i completely agree my mind instantly goes to empire strikes back which ended on a massive cliffhanger and not all of the loose ends were closed but its easily a superior sequel.
Worth noting that the director Joaquim Dos Santos was also a director on Avatar The Last Airbender and executive producer for Legend Of Korra. Dude is a god.
This is shaping up to be the greatest animated trilogy of all time.
Great CMB trilogy of all time actually, it's already 2/3
I mean it doesn't have much competition
Facts.
Love that they're exploring more of Gwen's backstory. And her music theme in this film with the drums is chef's kiss~
I really don't get people saying this isn't a complete experience. Miles longs to be part of a team and ends up having to go it alone. Gwen resists being part of a band and becomes the leader of a group of Spider people. There arcs are pretty complete. As far as cliffhangers go, this was more satisfying than Dune, Fellowship, and I'll say it, Empire.
Agreed. The cliffhanger was earned AND arcs were completed. I was honestly happy to see it end because i knew they couldn't wrap everything up in 25 minutes , so seeing another 2+ hr movie is going to come out soon just made me so excited.
The story is incomplete
A lot of people who watched this like myself are just casual superhero movie fans. The plot was being set up the whole time and the villain became very powerful and then nothing happened. It’s set up but there was no final battle. That’s why people didn’t enjoy it (like me). I like to see a payoff it just is unfinished
Even if we were assuming their character arcs were mostly complete, the story is 100% not complete & you completely miss out on any narrative-based payoff their character arcs bring to the table in a final battle or confrontation that carries the weight of that emotion.
@thehumanity0 Outwitting Miguel, Gwen reconciling with her father, Miles coming out to his mom, Spot breaching Miles' universe were all payoffs. Minus definitively defeating an antagonist, they're pretty much going to have to start new arcs for the main characters if the next movie is going to be any good. I'm not denying there's still unfinished business, but I think as a middle chapter of a trilogy, this is as complete as it gets. The only other middle chapter movie that does it better, IMO, is maybe the Two Towers.
Think about the first Tobey McGuire Spidey. He kills Goblin takes on the mantle of Spider-Man, but we don't get any resolution to what this means for his relationship with Harry or MJ. And that's the first movie. He just gets to murder the baddie.
Couple of notes. First off, I actually thought the pacing was really great. I know it was slower. But it still didn't feel slow to me. It felt grow up, relaxed, comfortable. Not slow.
Second. I haven't seen anyone mention Gwyn's theme has an adapted motif from the "Spider Man" theme song. The guitar plays the same first 6 notes, but with different pacing over the etherial synths at 1:17. For some reason, to me, that was my favorite music moment of the entire score.
I love how Gwen’s universe was kinda like a water color pallet. When she was sad or something it would fade down or change to a darker color. Her universe is def my favorite 🤍
My favorite part of this movie had to be Miles and Gwen's relationship, it just feels so fleshed out and deep. Both miss each other deeply and their eventual reunion just feels so earned and scenes like the upside-down clocktower scene or when they're just chilling eating the food at the party. Platonic or romantic, their interactions were just perfect to me and the complications with Miguel and keeping Miles in the dark was so hard to watch but so well done. I hope they end up together but either way I'm confident the team will give them both good endings.
11/10 movie my mind is blown
I mean it's very clearly romantic....
Personally I love the family bits, so many stories with young protagonists either make them dead, conveniently absent or somewhat worried but nowhere near they should with such changes. They really go deep into not only how the mantle screws the life of a high schooler but how is pretty much impossible to the parents be chill with their kid suddenly showing up buff, having time windows where he’s totally unaccounted for and clearly hiding something big and I appreciate how they kept their reaction realistic without turning them into a hindrance in the way of Miles saving the day.
@@hastyscorpion it seems to be in transition to me, in that stage from platonic to romantic
Its also a fairly complex relationship. Like, obviously miles is in love with her and wants to be with her, but even if that didn't happen you know they still have a deep enough love for each other that even if it didn't become romantic, they would still need each other
@@ghengis423 exactly, either friendship or romantic relationship it’s still so well written and real
The What’s Up Danger scene of the first one is impossible to beat
The movies pacing was so good, I didn’t realize how much time has past by and was surprised it ended the way it did
One thing I loved is that some of the most thrilling action in the movie was just saving people. No punching required.
I was always a "spider-man 2 is the best spider-man movie" type of guy, But I got to admit this is way better
In some ways this is spiderman 2
@@CthonicWisdom thats actually a good point. i never thought about it that way.
eh
spiderman 2 doesn't even come close to this movie lmaoo
@@coupe1000 this movie was mid bro
spidey 2 is god tier
This movie's animation was gorgeous, and all the character work done was incredible. I loved the watercolour style in Gwen's universe as well, really helped exemplify her emotions
I love that this film blends realities so well not just animation & the uniqueness of each spider but live action as well its so phenomenal.
This is EXACTLY how I felt about the movie. You did an amazing job articulating this movie's high highs and the things that just didn't quite work as well as the first one.
i agree with reading the first half of a book analogy you gave, but i also think that while parts feel like theyre unresolved, left for part 2, there are a lot of character arcs in this movie that i feel have a strong enough resolution that this can stand on its own, where i can personally say i enjoyed more then the first, though i also agree with some pacing issues
The scene with the changing colors you talked about is one of my favorite things in the movie. I love it so much
I don't think it better than the first for the same reasons you do but, I CANNOT blame people when they say its the best one
“I could not figure out how they made this movie in the amount of time they were given”
…. Yeah
It’s the middle part in a trilogy. So ya, there’s gonna be a mean ass cliffhanger and it’s not gonna wrap up as nicely. But it’s gonna pay off so well when the 3rd comes around
Thanks cosmonaut. Not a single other person has reviewed this movie as honestly as you. You are the only person who has encapsulated my feelings on the film. I love it, but it hasn’t fully matched the level of the first film which has like 3 different parts that leave me with chills every single time I watch.
You brought up so much great stuff! I literally went home and nerded out about the color changing emotion filled talking scenes. So good.
This was so refreshing. I’m so glad someone is doing something cutting edge with animation now Disney has given up. Stunning movie. Can’t wait for the next one.
It’s almost hard to comprehend a movie being this outstandingly better than the first movie in every way in this day of age. Love this film!!
As soon as the ‘to be continued’ I instantly thought "that’s it?". Definitely needs to be judged as a whole movie with the 2nd part. But so far so good
The movie looks like when you look at the beautiful concept art for a movie and wish the whole thing could look like that
Here's what I said to my friends about this film:
8/10 imo, it's half of a movie innit
Everything about it is class though, my goodness this film has STYLE. Love how they leaned into the style even more than before and made it absolutely amazing. The colour palettes for each universe and character are unbelievably creative. Some of the emotional scenes especially between Gwen and her dad, the way the backgrounds look and change and the way tu ey portray lighting on their faces... The entire runtime, every action sequence, every movement, every bit of dialogue, just... Its all dripping with swagger. The animators were flexing through the whole film. All the voice acting? The story beats? The OST? The characters portrayed? Small interactions that contributed to the future? If it wasn't half a movie and didn't feel so rushed at times, this would be perfection. I know I clown on the MCU for their constant jokes, but here, it fits. The film takes itself seriously when it needs to and doesn't when its not necessary. The shift from comedic tone to serious is never so jarring as it is in most MCU films. And of course, it helps that theyre not trying to make the animation look realistic in the slightest.
8/10, bit rushed and it's only half a film, but fuck is everything else about this perfect.
I'm so glad you mentioned the score because that was one of the aspects that I noticed the most. It's so beautiful and goes so hard. I'm in love with the score.
This movie is incredible. Visually it's almost magical ✨ You can feel the artists' love for the characters and comics. It's dynamic as hell.
I did really like how they used color in the scene between Gwen and her dad.
I went into this blind so it was so cool to see everything set up, the darker tone, the themes, and character arcs. The wow factor was off the charts. My friend has read the comics but didn't spoil it for me.
I loved the first one and I think I love this one even more. Agree the second scene with the parents dragged a bit but knowing now it's a setup for a second part it was important to establish the stakes and conflict into the next film.
"its like reading a book halfway through and calling it 10/10, it wouldnt make any sense to do that" bro YOU did that when you watched samurai jack. Gave it a 10/10 when the revival season was halfway through airing, and we all know how the second half of the season turned out... Its okay to say something is a 10/10 without knowing the conclusion yet, especially in this case since its a complete movie. We havent seen the end yet, but the journey to get there that we've been on has been perfect.
This movie transcended the animation genre and took it to new heights with fleshed out characters and a fantastic story that'll only become better once BTSV comes out. The Spiderverse movies are shaping up to be the greatest comic book trilogy ever made
The idea that this feels incomplete just isn’t right to me. Despite being a “cliffhanger,” I felt very satisfied and even more excited for Beyond.
The last hour of this film is absolutely amazing. The nah imma do my own thing moment is equally as great as the whats up danger scene.
Absolutely loved this movie. Phenomenal animation, excellent characters and a killer soundtrack to compliment the ambience of the film. The credits of this movie is one of the only times I stayed in the theatre just to watch it because they were just as captivating as the movie itself.
I get why Cosmonaut (and a few others) feel like this movie isn't complete because it's building up to something (as per Loki) but I give that a pass because it not only allows them to tell a grander story with more time, but they'll definitely keep to their promise and give us an ending they want. Hopefully, Loki Season 2 is as good as the first, but I honestly have no doubt Beyond the Spider-Verse will be a great ending.
If the first movie was a 10/10, this one has to be an 11 for me. So endearing in so many ways and so fun to watch
it was so fire
I guess the third one will be a 12/10 if they keep it that way.
@@onepresence9460that would be crazy. I hope they can do it
My opinion is that this was fucking incredible and many individual components are better than the OG, but man, nothing will ever top the leap of faith scene in the first movie.
PERFECTLY said. I've not seen anyone who sums up my thoughts on 'Across' better than this. The biggest problem with the movie is that it's NOT a movie. It's the first half of a movie.
Shoutout to my guy Pavitr Prabakhar cuz him and Hobie were such a good addition to the Spidey Gang of the first Spiderverse movie !
This is exactly how I feel. A great time for sure but you can’t say it’s better than the first when it’s 50% of a story
Saw across yesterday, and although i think the theater got me sick, the movie was awesome. Just fkng a-ma-zing. But he DID lose his uncle. Why is that not counted as his trauma? Peter lost an uncle, both of them, and one lost an aunt, so uncle Aaron should count. Still, a great way to put together a narrative.
I'm confused about that too. But Uncle aaron is the equivalent of lizard peter. And miles' dad is a parallel to Gwen's dad. And the Gwen Stacy's dad of the original run
There’s always a second loss. For example Andrews Spider-Man lost Ben and then Gwen.
@@oXRaptorzXo There are several versions of several canon events shown in the red web explainy thing. The spider bite, Death of a romantic partner, Death of the mentor, Death of a Captain, The Venom Symbiote, Abandoning the costume in a trash can, and even the "upside down kiss", which this movie echoes right before miles follows Gwen through the portal to Mumbattan. There are probably other moments.
Very much a "Spider-man's life is made of suffering" metatextual thing, which I believe the movie also wants us, through Miguel, to understand is just plain wrong. Not every spidey experiences or has to experience all of this crap.
Finally got to watch this film today, and just finished listening to Penguin0z's review of it too. Judging by his reaction, yours, my friend who I saw it with, as well as my own; I think it's safe to say this movie's biggest weakness is just the fact that it ends on a cliff hanger. Because it's the only thing that left me wanting more. And I get it, they obviously wrote a story that was going to need more screen time than 1 film to pull off. Which I can totally appreciate, and I have no doubt that the next part will be a completely satisfying conclusion. Honestly this movie blew the first one out of the water in ever single way except for the cliff hanger ending. Best movie of the year for me, so far anyways, hands down. The fact that is manages to juggle so many ideas and art styles flawlessly - not dropping a single ball once - is absolutely amazing.
This move was quite fine and complete as it is, cliffhanger and all :)
I’m with you…re-watched the first one for the 5th time and can’t believe how fun it is to watch every time. This one struggled a bit with pacing and tone for me, although there were tons of elements that I really liked. I’m probably more of a 7/10 on the new one with strong potential to go up based on part 2
1:33 he's talking about gwen and her dad
Just saw this last week, wish they would have released it in 3d, the first movie was one of the best 3d experiences I've had
The fact I've only seen the first Spiderverse a couple times, yet still knew exactly what Marcus was talking about when he mentioned the emotional payoff of the What's up Danger scene really speaks to how great that movie is. I got flashbacks when he mentioned it.
5:42 I absolutely agree with this point. Not even the sky train scene could hold a candle. I just wish Beyond has an amazing sequence with What's Up Danger as the background music
As much as I agree with the overall quality of this movie not being up to the first, this one made me want to do art, like any art, I just feel inspired because of how beautiful it is, and that's definitely worth a couple points for me.
I just realized that the foam party place mentioned and shown in the police car scene in the original actually shows up in this movie
Love how Spot's arc literally goes from run-of-the-mill comic book C-Tier thug/bank robber to an S Tier Black Air Force energy Menace/Nemesis😂😂
Great Villainy in this movie💪🏾💚
This was pretty much exactly my feelings, top to bottom. It's amazing, and a technical improvement over the first (somehow) but I can't say it's a better movie because I haven't finished watching the movie yet. As of now, 1 is better, but it's too early to tell if it's actually better or if it's just better because it's the only one I've, like, finished. Either way, they're both masterpieces.
The cliffhanger in this movie is so good
SPOILER!!!
I’m really into the whole idea of a different version of Miles becoming the Prowler. It kinda mimics the comics in a way. Because in the comics, Uncle Aaron is a completely different character. He’s not the living Uncle who has a good heart but does bad things, like in the first spider verse. In the comics, when Uncle Aaron finds out Miles has powers, he basically uses him as a super villain side kick. He tried to get Miles to do bad things. And I love that Earth 42s Uncle Aaron is basically the same as the comic version. He uses Miles for evil. As Marcus says, Miles isn’t that great in the comics. But the first spider verse really fixed him and made him into a compelling character, and the sequel goes even further. So the cliffhanger kinda feels like the spider verse writers are acknowledging that Miles was broken in the comics, and now in Spiderverse 3, Miles has to fight this broken version of himself. It’s really meta and I like it. Also I love how New York in Earth 42 is basically fucking Gotham city, because that universe doesn’t have Spider-Man. It’s such an emotional and kinda oddly satisfying cliffhanger. Marcus said that this feels like an incomplete movie (and it does,) but the twist at the end, plus the cliffhanger which introduces a whole new villain, is still oddly satisfying to me. This is the first time I’ve been excited about a movie in a very long time
I'm calling it now. Miguel O'Hara isn't Miguel O'Hara. It's Morlun. Miguel has never been so ripped and big, he's not a vampire, and he's not as antagonistic. Morlun eats totemic characters, like Spiderman or Black Panther, which would include Vulture, who he tried to eat until he was stopped. In fact, we have no idea about his backstory, only that he took over (another) Miguel O'Hara's life...
Like they mention he's a vampire in such a way that both has no impact in the actual movie (can't speak for the next one) and barely does anything to show said vampiric abilities other than trying to eat Vulture. He might as well not have them, but I'm sure there's a future reason as to why.
Also, probably doesn't matter, but in the Spanish version, the Miguel at the end of the first movie doesn't sound like this Miguel, he sounds a lot younger and more Spiderman-like, while this one is darker and more jaded.
So, in short, It's Morlin' time.
That would be an interesting twist for the story but it would be wack to be honest
miguel is pretty much a vampire tho
he’s always had fangs and claws and even a venom bite
he’s definitely hiding something from the rest of the spidermen but it’d be lame if he turned out to be morlun
@@mashedpotato84 i think it would kill a lot of the narrative impact to have him be a secret villain. the multiple villains thing works only because he is a heroic antagonist
I think he is morlun, movie miguel is too much of a jerk
I… don’t like that twist. That would murder all the nuance of Miguel’s character and portrayal. He’s a little jerkier and colder than normal, but he’s basically a 1:1 of comic Miguel (at least the early version of him).
you pretty much put it perfectly bro. I was left in awe through the whole movie, it was so good but ultimately left me unsatisfied (by design ofc). I'm sad it's over for now but I can't wait for the next one
I can respect that stance. For me, all the parts of this movie mesh better than the original. Miles feels like a brighter, happier Spider-Man but still feels distinctly like Spider-Man and while there wasn't a moment that hit the hype level of "What's up danger". So many moments hit hard but hit differently that I have to say, regardless of what happens next, This was one of the best movies I've seen. This movie, admittedly with help from the first one and the PS games, etc, still has me in turmoil over whether Miles has become my favorite Spider-Man. If you had told me even a year ago that I'd be questioning whether Miles or Peter is my favorite I'd have laughed in your face so hard I'd have been on the floor
2:07 aged so poorly lol
The ending to infinity war felt more satisfying and complete while understanding the full story wasn’t complete like a season finale to a great tv show
Across the spider-verse felt way less complete and like they ran out of time rather than they were done telling this part of the story. Still an amazing movie though.
Agreed
Yeah nothing was really resolved yet which does bring the experience down a little for me, but when the third movie comes out it’ll be near perfect
Long story short: Let the trilogy Cook