History of FOX in Competitive Super Smash Bros. (64, Melee, Brawl, Wii U)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2024
- FOX! The symbol of 20XX himself! Fox is one of the big faces of competitive Smash but how good was Fox competitively in each individual Smash game? Join False Swipe Gaming in this overview of Fox in competitive Smash Bros. across all games.
A BIG special thanks to our Competitive Experts for the information on him in all four games.
Larry Lurr - Top 15 Smash 4 Player and one of the Best Fox players in the World in Smash 4
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Druggedfox - Top 15 Player in Melee, Top Coach, and one of the Top Foxes in the world.
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Trevonte - Top Brawl Fox Player & Top Smash 4 Player
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TKD - Top Brawl Fox Player
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KeroKeroppi - Smash 64 Top Player & One of the Best Pikachu Players in 64
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:52 - Smash 64
5:44 - Melee
15:12 - Brawl
22:05 - Smash 4
26:39 - Outro
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Written by Zane Bhansali aka Epengu
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Researched by CDK
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"If the opponent is really good at defense/minimizing damage they take from fox, while maximizing how hard they kill him."
This is the most elaborate git gud I've ever heard.
"If the opponent takes no damage while also killing you, they will win"
Thanks, very cool
So basically, don’t get hit hard and hit back harder
'Any matchup can be hard if your opponent outplays you in every possible way.'
“If the opponent can successfully avoid taking hits, while also succeed in landing hits, they’ll be able to fight anyone.”
Play defensive, punish hard. Not quite git gud, although it's very much a simplification.
64: Pretty Good
Melee: Top Tier
Brawl: Apparently walking makes him a bit better?
4: his voice sucks let's admit it
Toonycheez true
Ultimate: fixed
Strait up could not play fox in sm4sh because of his voice I didn't even give him a chance thank God for ultimate I can play him again
Ultimate: Fun to play, good competitively, voice direction is much better
Ironically the protagonist of the first fully-voiced Nintendo game has the worst voice of Smash 4
How to beat fox in melee: don't die and make him die
Holy shit top tier strats here
sladikk Don’t get hit.
Or just use mario speedrunner. Fox has hyper speed, but mario -is four parallel afront of him-
@@arthurdias6860 what?
Don't get hit
@@barakbrooks9288 yyyyyayahoo!!!
Wow this was a HUGE undertaking just knowing how good Fox is in 64 and especially Melee, but you didn't pull any punches!
i could talk about melee fox for hours, you just need some experience in all the communities and youre golden
Fox is mid tier in 64. Source: am actual competitive 64 player.
@@AthensHorseParty tag and rank?
Aaronitmar Kirby would be an interesting video. He went from #2 to last place in one game.
you said it pal
Don't stop now! HOW GOOD WAS CAPTAIN FALCON ACTUALLY?!
This
Falcon is p good. Strong in 64, melee, and 4, but kind of meh in brawl.
this man sucked in brawl.
Came here to post this, so as an alternative how good was samus/zero suit samus actually
SurfeyDude almost everyone sucks in brawl. Combos literally don’t exist.
"Notable fox players include [...] basically everyone who wants to beat hungrybox."
Ok, that was hilarious xD
Fox Player: Hey, I play Fox, let's do a match.
hungrybox: Let me make this easy for you...
Alex Hardy I feel like he really goes hard on them when he is mad th-cam.com/video/4IpSU9ELilI/w-d-xo.html
Theoretically, you could shine about 10 times a second in melee
Holy
Mother
Fucking
Duck
Fucker
“While brawl was represented by this f*cking dude”
"Fox Has Been #1 on every single tier list"
Armada has entered the chat
Breaking news
Young link now best in melee
"Sheik wants to know your location"
@@Secret-ts8vn ??? He means jigglypuff is the best. Shiek is like 5th
Melee Fox:
*LEFT CONTROL STICK NOISES INTENSIFIE*
GeGe
HAH
TATO
YAH YAH
Shine intensifies
@@costcotheballer8171
TOR-YAH!
*G A M E !*
The game's winner is...
*M I S S H A W N C O M P R E E T !*
Fox!
Dashdances past the speed of sound
64 Fox: Oh boy my first entry to the tournament.
Melee Fox: *Shining* FIYAH!! COME ON!!! MISSION COMPRETE!!!
Shadow 1233's Corner 😂😂😂😂
Every other Melee character: confused screaming
*dashdances like a sweat lord*
Falco: *Joins*
*Sakurai after releasing Brawl:*
We did it boys. OP Fox is no more
And instead we created a new monster that is arguably much worse.
So does this mean we get Ninetales as a pokemon vid next? ;)
apparently not, we got marowak instead
No. Marowak was next.
DrMashedpotato hey hypnosis hex can make it win in a one versus one against any psychic type that isn’t immune to sleep including mega mewtwo.
Pls gibe us Ninetales though!
I play OU the pokemon you listed is in UBERS.Plus wtf why hex instead of freeze dry?
oh and also i never said alolan ninetails has no talent.Just a Op ability and a Op Move.....
It's astounding how a sequel can change a character so much.
Yeah. It’s incredible how remaking a character can remake a character.
Fantastic video. Well-researched, entertaining, and I really appreciate that you didn't try to push the "Melee Fox is auto-win" narrative that every casual player seems to believe.
Wile E Coyote: Genius that’s because the series is written by epengu, a melee player lol
Well...
*A Skilled Roy Can Beat Any Fox!*
He really is though, on average lol.
can we all just agree fox only got this status cause the top fox players are just tas robots disguised as humans
F1r3cr4cker on average definitely not.
"Once again Fox's flaws in his glass cannon status"
Falco: *sniff.*
History of MARIO in competitive smash Bros
he wasn't memorable at all but when we tried to, it was down throw up tilt
nah his only good quality is being THE KING AND SAVIOR OF VIDEO GAMES....but they couldn't have made him better in smash? nintendos title character basically gets no love in smash.....arguably a good thing because favoritism is a bad thing
Jack Pretzel Judging by the tier lists, average in 64 and Melee, garbage in Brawl, and amazing in 4 and 5.
Sega Nesquik you can’t say Ultimate just yet some say he’s good some say he’s ok
Ulti Gamer I was never talking about Ultimate. Call it cheap, but Sakurai sees the WiiU version as the 5th entry in the series. Apparently the coding for the WiiU ver even calls it the 5th entry.
*Fox Only, Final Destination, No Items.*
Also How Good were *Fire Types* ACTUALLY?
:3 Channel Yes
I believe fire types were generally not very good. Their weaknesses to popular typing of water and rock really hurt them. A lot of fire types lack variety in movesets.
The best fire types are usually dual types that get access to additional moves and have a type that counters one of its weaknesses. Aka heatran.
Nah, how good where Phycic Types?
Hellllllll yea
FIYAAAAAAAAAAAA
There is so many “how good was Kirby ACTUALLY” comments lmao
Can’t wait to hear how he fell from grace in SSB64 onward...here’s hope for ultimate
He's better. I think he'll be mid or high tier.
Vicctre Tamaj Exactly.
heh
I come from the future and Kirby is bottom tier
Fwuffycodbunny it really isn’t, especially for Kirby. Little to no kill confirms and shitty combos that do little damage. Here’s hope that he’ll get buffed though
The narrator actually sounds like Ultimate Fox.
PsYan #3390 so he sounds like mike west
Fox is like the Snorlax of Smash Bros,being the absolute best character in the second game but falling down from S-Tier after the next games
Also History of Mario in Competitive Smash Bros. (my main deserves a video)
Fox is considered top 10 in Sm4sh. Some say top 5.
Fox is amazing in smash 4 lmao
Honestly Fox's worst appearance so far has been Brawl, and even then he was an incredibly solid character, ranking #15 out of 38 on the most recent Brawl tier list.
As for Smash Ultimate however, Fox might become mid or low tier. Everyone has been talking about how Fox felt ATROCIOUS in the demo. Of course it's a demo and alot of things can change in the official release, but things aren't looking too god for Smash Ultimate Fox.
ok,i know Fox is good in Sm4sh,i am just comparing how both of them fell down from S tier to a lower tier in competitive
History of Captain Falcon in competitive SSB plz
yes do this
An analysis video on one of the most decorated fighters in smash history? Yes please.
how good was THE KNEE
While most people come to the channel for the pokemon competitive scene (myself included), I'm glad you still went with the smash content you wanted to try and fit in. Keep up the good work!
You forgot the nerfs to his voice actor he got in each game after melee.
HI YAAAH!!
YES this isn't dead! I hope you continue this
Man these videos are the best the amount of research that goes into them is crazy. Its cool to see every smash iteration of fox and how it changes from game to game.
Your pokemon vids are good also but these are the ones i really look forward too
What I loved about 64 is that any character can be viable(except Link). Having only 12 characters, yeah, the choice is shallow, but for its time, the fact that no character was truly bad(except Link) made it so that no matter who you wanted to play, you probably stood a chance(unless you chose Link).
M3G4 T3RR4 and Luigi
@@williampym3741 Nah Luigi is decent (not like Link)
@@plumebrisee6206 Luigi is widely considered to be the worst character in the game.
@@williampym3741 just because he was just a green mario and bottom tier dosent make him bad
He became a luigi in melee tho
This video was so well informed; you nailed it perfectly. Its hard to find competent commentary on competitive smash in non-dedicated channels. Good job.
Also i learned a bunch of stuff about Brawl Fox so thank you
How good was Kirby ACTUALLY? It’s been a rough smash life honestly...hoping he’s viable in Smash Ultimate
im hoping jigglypuff is top tier again
Vicctre Tamaj So far I've heard that he's getting massively buffed in Ultimate.
Erik 1 Gamer he’s gotten some significant buffs like dash attack and inhale being able to inhale projectiles and shoot them back, but I’m hoping for framedata buffs on all specials, range/KO power on back air, better Kill throws, and Faster air speed
@@vicctretamaj7289 that dash attack is
from melee and has long end lag
Atleast he was born into the game as a beast in 64. From there, its just been punishment after punishment.
And this is why my two mains are: you guessed it: Pikachu and Fox. Provided I'm not a die hard Smash player (yet), but I still prefer the speedy archetype. This was quote a while before both the Pikachu and Fox videos you did, actually. :D
As homage to these videos, and to my dominance against my friends as Pikachu, whenever a new one comes out, I make it my goal to learn all I can about whatever fighter you end up talking about. This has led me to a weird 3-main setup of Puff, Pika, and Fox. Lol
This was a really fun video to watch! It must have taken a ton of effort to gather all of the info needed for this.
This was one of the best smash videos I’ve seen ever. You’re amazing.
How GOOD was *Kirby* Actually Please?
basically 2nd best in the 1st game, worst character in melee, meh in brawl and sm4sh
@@user-db5fg1co1d Yeah I figured he was not the best, but would still like a video on him to at least get a comparison compared to other Smash characters and see why he was not as good you know?
You don't want to know PepeHands.
Yay Kirby
up
“minimizing damage taken and increasing damage given” literally what you do on all characters
been playing smash competitive since 2004. just gotta say this video is soooooo well made
I really love these videos and is pretty clear that you have pour a ton of effort in the making, I would love to see a Falco video.
Please make more of these, they are soooo good! More smash please!
I'm usually the one who keeps on suggesting Omastar, but i wanted to take the time to tell you how great your content is, and i cal tell you put a lot of effort in.
I've never been into competitive smash, but i think i will when the next game comes out, thanks to your awesome videos. You've made me very interested in what the franchise has to offer.
Really enjoyed this video, provides a lot of insight to what exactly each character is able to do. I would love to see more of this, mainly Yoshi
I main Fox since i was like 8 years old, playing the first Smash. Although i loved to play Star Fox, he became my favorite Nintendo character after Smash, cause i could beat every single friend of mine playing with him, they even tried mirroing my pick with no success. I perpetuate him as my nickname throughout all the games i've played to this day, as a proof of love and gratitute to the good memories this charracter brings from my childhood❤️
64: High Tier
Melee: God Tier
Brawl: Mid Tier-Borderline High Tier
4: Top Tier
Ultimate: High Tier-Top Tier
Fox and Pikachu are the most consistent characters of all time.
@@metaknight5796 facts
To see that you didn’t already have a million subs was a surprise considering the quality of content; thinking about the amount of effort put into making this is insane.
Thank you for the very entertaining video on one of the greatest games ever.
Thank you so much for making this video, I was so scared that you were never gonna branch out to the non-pokemon characters, and skipping Mewtwo to go straight to Fox, gives me so much hope for the future. Please keep making smash videos!
need my boi ness
How good was Ganondorf actually
Pay respect to dad Gerudo
This video was absolutely wonderful! I loved every second.
Quite a boost in quality i must say! Not to say you've put out anything even remotely close to mediocre, but this video was solid!
Loved the break from Pokemon, and i cannot wait for more content like this! This video alone has gotten me more hype to play more than Ultimate has so far (again, no diss, I'm hype af for Simon and King K. Rool, just don't have buds to practice with anymore).
The way you talked about each game was so enticing. I love the differences between each game and how it's evolved, even though I say PM is the current pinnacle unless Ultimate proves me otherwise.
Keep it up! Very glad to be a patron!
Glad to see you're continuing this series.
FOX SOMETIMES, YOSHIS STORY PERHAPS, ITEMS LOW.
How GOOD was Ninetales ACTUALLY?
ITEMS HIGH, PICHU and ROY ONLY, BRINSTAR DEPTHS!
How GOOD was Chatot ACTUALLY?
64 Fox is purely entertaining. It's always fun to play with 🦊. I do play alot with Kirby as well. It's funny to see the salt after the game. Then again every character is broken in 64
Thanks for this vid, i liked the pika and puff videos so much, keep 'em up
First video I've seen from you. Awesome work!
I really hope Falco will be made on this channel someday. As someone who has loved star fox 64 growing up also loved falco in melee.
It really would be nice to have more smash versions of this show.
I am blessed to see this again thank you do much I've been waiting for this. Can't wait to watch it all later I have to go to work. Have a phenomenal day.
You did an amazing job with this. Absolutely outstanding. I would love to see kirby next, the brain child of a young sakurai.
Wow, it is amazing to think that Fox's power was only truly questionable in 64. I actually came here after looking at the Brawl tier lists for Japan and Europe and noticing they thought more highly of Fox, Japan placing Fox right near Falco at #7. I also hadn't realized before that Seagull Joe was such a peerless "low-tier" player, considering that Wolf was just narrowly voted above Fox in NA and elsewhere he was consistently a good amount weaker.
A strong contender in almost every iteration of the franchise. Nice
Awesome video! I like that you talk about Fox's weaknesses in Melee, since they're too obviously dismissed.
I feel like a lot of people who watch Melee but don't actually play it don't notice that Melee Fox hasn't developed an awful lot in the last 5 years, compared to other characters.
Usually when people point this out, it's dismissed because lol Fox.
Happens with Leffen's comments, such as him believing that Fox loses to Marth, or more recently that Jigglypuff is the best character in the game.
Thank you for doing these again! I loved these. Let's do Captain Falcon next
“Smash switch” haven’t heard anyone say that since before name release 😂😂
How GOOD was *kirby* ACTUALLY??????
Actually How DECENT was Kirby ACTUALLY
Fuck both of you he gets god to god to god
no he's definitely better in brawl and smash 4 compared to melee
@Michael M but unleashed black night colors and generations were all great
@@techno-- hes solidly bottom 10 in smash 4 though. Maybe even like 6th worst
and hes solidly the bottom in melee
IM SO GLAD THIS IS BACK. PLEASE GIVE US CONTENT YOU LOVE MAKING, IT REALLY SHOWS. ❤️
15:18 The Halberd trying to shoot Fox's Arwing is a good analogy of what happened from Melee to Brawl.
How GOOD were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?! I’m at the point where I type how GOOD and it autocorrects to How GOOD were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?!
they were bad
He did that
I didn't realize this comment is a month ago
History of KIRBY in competitive smash! Let it happen
Yes I want Kirby as well 😀!
yes
Would be a pretty depressing video not gonna lie
Great new series can't wait for the next one. How good were the ice climbers ACTUALLY?
Please keep doing these videos. They are sooooo good
Fox is a true competitor, and honestly, you have to respect it.
The competitive history of Capt Falcon next.
Congrats on the 200 k subs!
I love these smash progressions!
FSG: Just getting him off stage means a dead fox
LD: Hold my beer
History of Kirby in competitive smash bros
Yes I want Kirby as well 😀!
Great in ssb, awful in every other game.
Actually, he looks promising in Ultimate. He has some new buffs that will help him.
@@deskbotknight3730 Kirby's buffs really weren't enough to make him stand out among the huge roster, as unlike characters like Ike, Pokemon trainer, ganon and especially pikachu who received HUGE, SIGNIFICANT buffs, the ones Kirby got were much less impressive.
He's essentially smash 4 Kirby (who's awful) with a new dash attack, the ability to absorb one projectile at a time, and a few minor technical changes. When looking at how much better the cast is, I'm not sure how Kirby would be any more than low tier....AGAIN. In the demo, alongside Samus and maybe bowser, he was definitely one of the worst characters there.
@@letacodilesupreme6445 I like brawl, but ONLY because my mains (Kirby and toon link) are so much more fun to use in that game compared to smash 4, and because of brawls fantastic single player campaign.
Man, now that I’ve gotten into smash I kinda wish I watched these because I really want to see a Samus one
Good job! Waiting for the next ssb video
HoW GoOD WAs WaLUiGi ActUALly?
How good was beedrill actually?
He never was.
@Jose Flores you don't know da wah
@@ultramegathotexterminatorg3895 what are you supposed to be?
@@MagikBased delete your reply
but... waluigi wasn't even THOUGHT of when smash 64 came out :/
PLEASE DO MORE!!!!
How good was Captain Falcon actually?
damn this video was freaking great!
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You should reach out to Ludvix whenever you do another video on Captain Falcon or Falco. Keep it up! Great videos!
Pleass please PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE MORE OF THESE
Let's get some Kirby love in here
I agree! Kirby deserves some love 😀!
Godly, garbage, garbage, garbage. There ya go.
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I've been a Fox main since I first started playing Smash on the 64 as a kid. Of course it took me months of playing with other characters like Kirby against my brother before finding out I was good with fox. I played a lot of 64 with my brother. I remember when I was 8 or 9 just getting on this huge loosing streak against him. Went on for weeks. Then finally I picked fox and was able to start consistently beating him again.
yo been waiting for these these sick
I've been looking forward to seeing another Smash Bros. video from you.
Also, how good was Kirby actually?
Hpkoowesf..?mmwe t
im kinda hoping Fox gets more buffs than nerfs in Ultimate
Cool, you got TKD to talk about Brawl. Amazing!
I love this series! Do everyone's favourite Italian plumber next (Luigi)!
It's like the Smash Bros equivalent of Starmie, consistently in the high tier no matter the game.
I'd love to see a Marth competitive history.
I like how in the thumbnail you have fox's best moves (except for 64)
I would love to see more of this
Lmfao at the n0ne reference at 22:00
How good is Luigi actually?
Awesome. Can't wait to see more
Now this is the content i subbed for
Fox's nerfed firefox angles were pretty bad too. I think they were introduced in Smash 4.
How good was Kirby actually?
How a little vulpine boy learned speed is key and hey, at least he wasn’t placed in the spammer category as was his evil twin
Yes more of this its a joy to watch