Chick Corea and Stanley Clarke Demonstrate How to Keep the Form of a Song While Improvising
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As a soloist, have you ever lost your place in the form of the song - while the other instruments are playing across the bar lines also - and asked the proverbial question: "where's 'one'?" Chick Corea and Stanley Clarke make suggestions and demonstrate a method that could help you from losing your place in the form. Whether you're a pianist, a bassist or play another instrument, these tips can help improve your improvisations.
Chick and Stanley demonstrate this useful approach over the classic RTF song "After the Cosmic Rain."
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This absolutely blows my mind to have Chick and Stanley talking about jazz together and showing us ideas! Amazing :)
Gist of the lesson: know the form before soloing. Chick has such great insight in all his lessons. Sometimes it's the simple and obvious things many musicians need to learn.
Don't try to put a roof on a house till you have the foundation sorted.🙂👍🎹🎶
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"Just play the form and go from there. Easy." Ok i was lost after the first bar and have no idea what you were even doing. The bass was all over the place. Chick was all over the place. Yet you all wind up on the same beats magically as if it's easy thing in world.
I think you're half right in saying they were "all over the place".
They were actually quite simplistic in this example, only two chords, and every beginning of the first measure is the same, they just start improvising from then on, sometimes only in the second measure with the change to the second chord.
If you internally count time, and know where the first measure starts, you can modulate how much you want.
The bigger confusion comes with different rhythms, and that is something they don't demonstrate.
Trying to keep the notion of the first measure internally in your mind, while you're listening to a rhythm that is different, sometimes very much so, from the original one, is something that only alot of practice can fix.
Love the essence of Chick's thinking and sharing. This is what makes a master of his craft such an exceptional mentor, leader and innovator of the dynamic genre that makes you a legend. Listen up young cats and kittens, this is the stuff legends do best! Much respect, Chick. -educapro
It's all about the fawm
😆😂👍🏻good one
Massachewsitz
I just realized... We so seldom got to see that overhead of Chick’s hands and the keyboard. What a ride, watching his fingers dance!
His answers are whole hilariously more a description of the problem than a real answer. He basically said learn the basic form, and then now i'll play around with the chord changes and because the bass player is great and i hit two the major changes in the form he will catch me.
Such a good teacher.
greatest 40 seconds of music ever
Damn we miss him, what a legend ♥️♥️
This is great! You are helping us a lot. Thanks for your humble way of being and colaborate. That's why your are giants!
Learning hear so much mr Corea thank you very much 👋🏻☺️
One of the more challenging examples of what I believe Chick is talking about is Charles Lloyd's version of "Autumn Leaves". If you don't try to keep the form going on in your mind during the solos, God help you.
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I couldn't figure out how to share just the head and solo sections when I shared the link, but you can scroll to about one minute twenty seconds if you want to skip the impressions in the beginning. But the whole thing is pretty astounding.
WoW, what a genius !!
Rip genius! Longlive stanley🙏🏻
Very Nice :-) I like the way they tell a story with notes :-) Thankyou gentlemen...:-)
Both are music gods.
He really loves that word... gradient
1:26 fun!
Someone is whispering something about "the spirit" @1:08.
1:05 who starts whispering here? It's like an evp.
In terms of the title, I don’t think Chick Corea and Stanley Clarke are demonstrating anything except that they’re great players. There’s no lesson here.
It’s the same with most people who are expert at anything - they’re not able to put themselves in the position of someone who doesn’t know the answer. So they end up demonstrating what they do without really helping anyone else to understand how.
A great teacher teaches ALL the steps from beginner to proficiency. Great player does not equal great teacher.
He’s talking about the form, and it’s fine if you understand what that is and what it means. But not so great if you don’t know, because he doesn’t even define it. He just plays a bit and says ‘Right?’. He should have defined the form in terms of bars and chords occurring in those bars, and explained how he is keeping track of that - because that is the heart of the question. How are you keeping track of the form and the time line?
Like all skills, some people are better at that naturally. But, for those who are not, a teacher needs to provide a method for learning, practising and improving.
"A great teacher teaches ALL the steps from beginner to proficiency." That's one way of looking at it. Another way could be to say that a great teacher helps open the space for the student to start on a path. You might not know what "form" refers to, but in trying to find out, you've already set foot on your journey...
@@andrew_eglinton Problem is, just saying "form" is not very specific, and Chick might be referring to a specific aspect of it, but we aren't privy to that information. That is not a good thing, in terms of teaching someone. Creating confusion.
Here's the deal: He wasn't speaking to YOU. he was speaking to the room. had YOU been in the room, YOU might have aske, "What do you mean, form?" But you were not. A good teacher teahces to the room, not the world.
@@kincrawford5906 as long as you then accept that the video is useless to the world. In which case there’s no point in putting it on TH-cam - if the content only makes sense “in the room”, it’s no good to anybody watching the video, is it.
I don’t know what you think you’re achieving by shouting ‘YOU’ over and over, but you’re actually making my point - this video does not provide anything actionable for a viewer.
@@johnbuell8035 In the room, meaning the LEVEL of the people in the room. The "YOU was directive, not shouting, which explains the capital usage in context, which is known by everybody around the world...apparently except for YOU. I enjoyed the video, and understood everything he said. Instead of down ranting the video, why not do what a true student would do, and ask questions?
I can feel 8 bars at 90 bpm, Stanley and Chick probably feel 64 bars at 50 bpm.
JOE PASS USED TO SAY THE SAME THING," to much information scales ,substitutes, modes, "just go for the basic minor ,major ,7 dominant , diminish .. then you can fill with 5+5-.7,9 11,13 ...
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What gets me off as a bass player is when another member of the rhythm section like the drummer is not playing straight at all. This lesson of being aware of the form is more useful when the song is familiar. When it’s new then I suppose the being familiar with various forms, harmony and just listening to the other players and how they punctuate the top, changes and end of the sections.
There's no answer... as it's often the case with over the top musicians.The question required a very practical answer and the answer given was : " the form is important, if you get that right, you('re free". Yes it's damn obvious that it's important.....the answer could have been to exercise with the cycle of 8 bars first for example then 16 bars then a whole AABA, a blues form, being able to "feel" the bars passing by , targeting the "one" of each cycle for example.This is truly disapointing when the level of musicality doesn't match the pedagogy .Damn, it's two of the most important musicians in modern jazz history. Why being so elusive ?
The Wave Files you’re absolutely right. Feeling the bars passing, and keeping the one is the skill. It would have been great if they had actually addressed how to acquire that skill and improve on it.
It’s funny, this is the number one thing required to make music, and it is never discussed. Endless videos, articles, lessons on scales, everything about notes, and never anything about where you place the notes and developing control over that
So Chick: how much of the form following in this or any case relies on an understanding of rhythmic motion, and how much of it relies on harmonic motion? Or are they one in the same? Is ask because it seems at any given time you are manipulating either and/or both.
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And professor Stanley... Forgot they played together on Return to Forever
Rip chick, n I still cannot believe it ,:-0
18 people can't keep form ..
RIP Maestro.
How do you leave this video
A: practice it
Of course! It is trivial xd
There are only two chords
Rip chick!
i love it when he talks dirty
1:46 everyone is trying to cue him to stop. mann I just wanna hear him talk about this.
He didn't really answer the question.
He is a great player, but I don't think this was a great lesson. The advice was too general and obvious. This reminds me of when I bought a Chuck Rainey bass instructional and he spent half the video teaching major scales.
Chick Corea isn't exactly a music teacher, but I think this was a very good lesson. Developing your musicianship after you have the technical skill is all about creating new perspectives on how to play.
JohnnieRhodes
Just because someone doesn't think it's a good lesson doesn't mean that the person is unimaginative or that he thinks he's better than Chick Corea. Just because it was "an honest answer to a question" doesn't mean it was a good lesson for the guy. Chill out.
oh sorry and you are?
Lol the question was “how do you keep the form straight when improvising across the bar lines?” Chick answered it...MEMORIZE AND INTERNALIZE THE FORM. What did you want? A 45 minute treatise on every single note in a solo over a two chord vamp??
All you guys smacking the OP - he’s right. This was a great demonstration of how good these two are, but no answer to the question posed. Lighten up on the OP, he has a valid point and doesn’t deserve abuse for stating it.
WHO whispers ? There and what
Try not having a form. Then getting lost is a non issue.
Jazz jam band.
That was so crystal until he started to rabbit about form!