On interoception, coworkers involuntarily watch me, and bring me water, because I never take water breaks. I typically eat, not because I’m hungry, but because I think I might be hungry, later. I can’t always tell if I need the bathroom, so I usually say, “I’d better go try to pee, just in case”. I had noticed that other people don’t do any of those things, but had no idea it was this.
When I’ve had ‘real’ jobs that have lunch breaks I’ve done okay with eating, but when I had a less official role my boss would regularly ask if I’d eaten yet at like 10pm after being there all day and 9 times out of 10 I had not 😅 I’m known amongst friends as someone who always has to pee, but a good 50% of the time I’m just giving it a go in case I’ll end up needing to pee the second we leave or start doing something 😅
I think anxiety stems from a childhood where you felt unsafe due to a dysfunctional family system within a bigger dysfunctional society at large. Volatile, unpredictable parenting, moving around a lot, all these things put me in a hyper sensitive anxious state, always waiting for the bad thing to happen
One time I encountered my hairdresser in a pub near my home, and because I had been going to that hairdresser’s for several years he instantly recognized me but I had no clue who he was. We had a chat and pretended I knew him. Days later I went to get a haircut like always but I didn’t make the connection. I found him again in the pub, we had another quick chat while still not knowing who he was. This happened at least 4 times over the course of several months until finally he mentioned the pub while giving me a haircut, then I connected the dots and thought “wait a second, they are the same person?”. This kind of situation happens to me all the time, but this one is the most stupid.
Just to add, I think the issue is that some people (like myself) struggle with recognizing people outside of a certain context. I cannot recognize actors outside of a certain film, unless I find them them extremely recognizable like Johnny Depp. I mix up actors too, like for the longest time I couldn’t tell Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt apart, just to name a few.
You probably hear this all the time: All of your videos, ideas, and life stories, are relatable, for me. New to the realization of autism+ADHD, I just felt alone, and it’s a mild relief, to know that others had/have the same obstacles.
I’ve heard it a fair few times since starting this channel, but it never gets old! I have the same relief knowing that others relate as y’all do when you stumble across my stuff 😂💕💕
I particularly struggle with faces when I see someone away from where I usually see them or if I haven't seen them for a long time. it takes me a long time to "learn" a face and I'm amazed at how readily many people can recognise someone they haven't seen for years or even decades. As you mentioned I also find it hard to tell certain people apart even though they seem obviously different to others. The same hair colour and style can leave me confused even when the faces are very different.
I make faces when I'm reading 😂 when people see me they say "wow, must be a really exciting book" and I literally had no idea I was making a face---nothing to do with the story or anything, it's just stimming.
As an autistic person whose special interest is Doctor Who, I found your comment about face blindness to be super relatable lol. I have a hard time remembering certain events from my actual life (including names and faces sometimes), but no issue remembering insane amount of details about DW lol.. But I think it's just because of how special interests work. Like, I usually watch or read about/research DW when I have my "down time", so there's less anxiety and confusion involved, compared to when I'm around other people. I think it's just easier to process and remember things when we can actually learn them calmly, plus it's always easier when we're genuinely interested in the topic. That's just my theory though, I'm also late-diagnosed and still learning everything myself. Also for what it's worth, I love your accent! :)
I think I have some degree of face blindness, because when I went to my sister's wedding my aunt (who I hate for various reasons) said goodbye to me before she left, but because she was wearing contact lenses instead of her usual glasses I had no clue who she was, so I was like, "Bye, whoever you are." I also used to get Hugh Grant and Colin Firth mixed up sometimes.
I've been hearing about interoception from various online autistic people but I didn't realize it could be as simple as THAT---you mean it's just not having to pee until you have to pee? I remember in kindergarten specifically but also the years after, I would be sort of known for doing the "I have to pee" dance without realizing it. Of course as I got older I got more self-conscious and stopped doing the dance, and just got really good at holding it until class was over. Would never have occurred to me to go before class because I just wouldn't feel it.
Oh my God! Your explanation of social imagination and your experience of it has hit me like a bus. For me, it's almost like I'm doing everything for the first time every day. Like, I've made specific journeys or gone to the shops or visited friends hundreds if not thousands of times in my life, but every time I feel just as fresh and vulnerable to the situation as if I hadn't done it before. I can rationalise that I've done it before but that doesn't actually matter when I can't conceptualise all the different things that could possibly happen. I'll also script and plan everything but ultimately still feel incredibly on edge because I know that I'll need to process and react to brand new things on the fly when it actually happens. Love your videos!
thank you for talking about "autistic facial features" and the small scale studies. I feel like anything that's pop culture-y about facial features tend to go down a racism hole real quick so 🥲
I suffer from face blindness. I can be talking to someone and then afterwards I know I was talking to that person but if you ask me to describe their facial features I can't remember what they look like. I also have no long term memory too. I can't remember my past. I think it is called SDAM, severe deficit autobiographical memory. I can't remember my childhood or my early adulthood. Flipping heck I can't remember what I was doing last week. It is all a total blank. I mean I can tell you names, places and so on but ask me to give a running commentary on what happened day to day I can't do it. It is why I started to keep a journal because I know I will forget what I did in a few days. I also struggle with my sleep/wake routine. I have tried to stick to a routine but I just can't do it. One week I can be awake at 7am the next week I am like getting up at 3pm then the week after that 8pm until I am waking up again at 7am.
I have this too, but I think it's Aphantasia. I usually recognise people when I see them, unless they're a twin or have a family member who looks a lot like them, in which case I won't know which one I'm talking to. There are twin sisters living next door to each other in my block of flats. I've been here 5 years and still don't know which is which. If I try to recall what that person, or any person looks like, I have nothing. No images in my head whatsoever. The only way I can see something is if I'm looking at it. Those SDAM and sleep issues are very familiar too!
While it's not quite the same as echolalia certain words and phrases - often from TV and film - stick in my mind. When I'm alone I'll sometimes say them out loud almost like a stim. Occasionally I try to drop them subtly into a conversation, discussion or online comment - it can be satisfying just to do this but even more so if someone recognises their source and you know you've met a fellow fan.
I do that ... A LOT. And, no, it's not Echolalia. It's just a stim. The relief valve is equipped with certain precise extrusion dies/molds ... kinda like the way a little toy Pla-Doh factory works. I always liked the Star shape. And Blu Pla-Doh was the finest of all.
I feel the same that the bodies just hanging off me. Its why i really do give a shiz what i look like, nwver look in the mirror and look messy at my jobs. I dont see the importance, the importance its what im passionate about in my head
First time I hear of social imagination. It describes perfectly what I experience. During interactions I'm focused on what to pay attention to and my responses, and I can really enjoy it. Afterwards I can feel good for a while and look forward to next time. But after a while I forget what it was like and I can't help but be anxious when trying to imagine the next interaction.
This is the first time I have heard "social imagination". I have always known that I have a hard time wrapping my head around things when they go sideways. I found out not long ago that everyone doesn't do an internal audit for all potential possibilities that may occur in the outside world. I find it really interesting that it is common to have face blindness. I'm on the opposite end as I have a really good ability to remember faces, but I have total aphantasia. I also have an internal music player that I used to just think was constant earworms until I found out I could control it. I wish there was a database for the lesser known traits to see how fringe some of them are.
I have the interception and face-blindness. When I meet people for the first time, I warn them that I'm bad with names and faces, and that I probably won't recognize them for awhile. My gaming group gets a big laugh out of it when I misremember a person's name or face. I'm just grateful that they don't take offence!
I’m waiting for my Autism Level 2 Certificate! What I don’t get is why if the course was free why isn’t the Government promoting all teachers do the course! Wouldn’t it be amazing if they made it mandatory for all teachers to do the free course….Great video 👍
In my school and university years I thought I was pretty good in recognizing faces and terrible with names. As for now I think it wasn’t faces that I remembered, but rather the „essence” of the person, combined of posture, gestures, emotions, tone of voice etc. Also I found out that my face recognition skills depend on my interest in the person: the more I like their presence, the more I’m able to recognize them. The same thing works with recognizing actors or musicians. The best example I can give is of Korean boys bands: if I like the music, I will research deeper in the members, learn about each one of them, then I’ll know the names and faces and will be able to recognize them in a millisecond. And another band, which I wasn’t so much into, will still look as all the faces are similar.
I was totally distracted by your cute cat the entire video! You've put words to my experience that I haven't been able to figure out myself. It's nice to feel validated too by your experiences you share on here too.
I copy accents for my inner voice. After watching you, my inner voice is in your accent :) This lasts anywhere from a few minutes to an hour or so. Luckily it doesn't come out in my real voice. At least not yet.
I do this, but it does come out as well!! I've been asked by many people where I'm from, because I've reflected their accent back at them while talking 🤣
interoception. exactly as you described... I dont notice these things until it becomes an EMERGENCY. Like im going to vomit bile from hunger and it is the most sudden experience. and also the bathroom...emergency needs to happen right now or im going to have an accident for real. ive cried many times before because i didnt know what to do without access to a bathroom hah crap. i thoroughly enjoy watching your videos hehe, super validating.
Is it a case of common facial expressions rather than features.? Higher functioning autism can have us struggling to hide thoughts & feelings which might give a certain type of expression. Oh heck I soooo relate to face blindness, it gets extremely embarrassing I resort to having a notebook in new workplacees to jot people's names down ...the annoying people become memorable first 😁(and I'm flumuxed when people change their hairstyle)
I am really disconnected to my body, and it makes horseback riding harder, haha, but then riding is helping me be more aware and integrated in my mind AND body, it's wild how automatic that connection needs to be to make effective riding possible, and it's something I really struggle with! Also, is hyper face recognition a thing, haha? I am very very good at recognizing subtle facial differences, like i am pedantic about actors- when we watch tv, my boyfriend will say "hey, that's so and so" and he'll be mistaking the person for somene els- i am freaky good at recognizing faces, i guess- like my boyfriend thought a random actor was Robert Sean Leonard, and he wouldn't believe me rhat it wasn't him until we Googled it, it always makes him mad, i am really good at actors nams and movies and directors and all that stuff, the entertainment world was a special interest in my teens so i basically mainlined Entertainment Weekly and Rolling Stone and People, i am REALLY GOOD at useless random trivia, haha... Anyway, oops i was rambling. Now i have to re watch the end of this! 😮
SUPER interesting to me for you have mentioned that, I had about 3 horse riding lessons as a kid before my parents couldn’t afford it anymore and I was TERRIBLE at it, probably bcus I’m so disconnected from my body, but I did improve across the lessons, so I think there’s definitely something about it that actually helps create a connection between brain and body! I wonder what other ‘sports’ do the same now. I’m gonna have to google about hyper face recognition because I feel like it should be a thing, as much as I don’t recognise real people and most actors look the same to me, the special interest kicks in for Doctor Who and I can recognise ANYONE from that, even if they had a minor part in one episode! I don’t remember the last time I watched something with British actors and didn’t point out one of them as being in Doctor Who 😂
The face thing sounds interesting. Similar facial movements/expressions over a long time create the same "face". People often ignore the muscle structure and bone structure of a face. Most people pay more attention to the muscle and fat quantity. And if you compare yourself to others of your ethnicity, then it makes sense. The autistic "face" sounds plausible. Either because of common comorbidities or as a result of autistic expression, the use of the same muscles will create a more similar "face" . Never heard of the theory before but as I explained the logic tracks. 🤔
I clicked on of your other videos because I felt like you resemble me in the face. I even showed my boyfriend. He said he doesn’t see it but I absolutely do. Just different eye color… it’s interesting!
On interoception, coworkers involuntarily watch me, and bring me water, because I never take water breaks. I typically eat, not because I’m hungry, but because I think I might be hungry, later. I can’t always tell if I need the bathroom, so I usually say, “I’d better go try to pee, just in case”. I had noticed that other people don’t do any of those things, but had no idea it was this.
When I’ve had ‘real’ jobs that have lunch breaks I’ve done okay with eating, but when I had a less official role my boss would regularly ask if I’d eaten yet at like 10pm after being there all day and 9 times out of 10 I had not 😅
I’m known amongst friends as someone who always has to pee, but a good 50% of the time I’m just giving it a go in case I’ll end up needing to pee the second we leave or start doing something 😅
I think anxiety stems from a childhood where you felt unsafe due to a dysfunctional family system within a bigger dysfunctional society at large. Volatile, unpredictable parenting, moving around a lot, all these things put me in a hyper sensitive anxious state, always waiting for the bad thing to happen
One time I encountered my hairdresser in a pub near my home, and because I had been going to that hairdresser’s for several years he instantly recognized me but I had no clue who he was. We had a chat and pretended I knew him. Days later I went to get a haircut like always but I didn’t make the connection. I found him again in the pub, we had another quick chat while still not knowing who he was. This happened at least 4 times over the course of several months until finally he mentioned the pub while giving me a haircut, then I connected the dots and thought “wait a second, they are the same person?”.
This kind of situation happens to me all the time, but this one is the most stupid.
Just to add, I think the issue is that some people (like myself) struggle with recognizing people outside of a certain context. I cannot recognize actors outside of a certain film, unless I find them them extremely recognizable like Johnny Depp. I mix up actors too, like for the longest time I couldn’t tell Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt apart, just to name a few.
You probably hear this all the time: All of your videos, ideas, and life stories, are relatable, for me. New to the realization of autism+ADHD, I just felt alone, and it’s a mild relief, to know that others had/have the same obstacles.
I’ve heard it a fair few times since starting this channel, but it never gets old! I have the same relief knowing that others relate as y’all do when you stumble across my stuff 😂💕💕
I particularly struggle with faces when I see someone away from where I usually see them or if I haven't seen them for a long time. it takes me a long time to "learn" a face and I'm amazed at how readily many people can recognise someone they haven't seen for years or even decades. As you mentioned I also find it hard to tell certain people apart even though they seem obviously different to others. The same hair colour and style can leave me confused even when the faces are very different.
Seeing people out of context is very confusing - I look at a face & think do I know you? Or do I just recognise you from round town?!
I make faces when I'm reading 😂 when people see me they say "wow, must be a really exciting book" and I literally had no idea I was making a face---nothing to do with the story or anything, it's just stimming.
my default is a smile. the lockdown was amazing because no one could see me smile under my mask
As an autistic person whose special interest is Doctor Who, I found your comment about face blindness to be super relatable lol. I have a hard time remembering certain events from my actual life (including names and faces sometimes), but no issue remembering insane amount of details about DW lol.. But I think it's just because of how special interests work. Like, I usually watch or read about/research DW when I have my "down time", so there's less anxiety and confusion involved, compared to when I'm around other people. I think it's just easier to process and remember things when we can actually learn them calmly, plus it's always easier when we're genuinely interested in the topic. That's just my theory though, I'm also late-diagnosed and still learning everything myself.
Also for what it's worth, I love your accent! :)
I think I have some degree of face blindness, because when I went to my sister's wedding my aunt (who I hate for various reasons) said goodbye to me before she left, but because she was wearing contact lenses instead of her usual glasses I had no clue who she was, so I was like, "Bye, whoever you are."
I also used to get Hugh Grant and Colin Firth mixed up sometimes.
I've been hearing about interoception from various online autistic people but I didn't realize it could be as simple as THAT---you mean it's just not having to pee until you have to pee? I remember in kindergarten specifically but also the years after, I would be sort of known for doing the "I have to pee" dance without realizing it. Of course as I got older I got more self-conscious and stopped doing the dance, and just got really good at holding it until class was over. Would never have occurred to me to go before class because I just wouldn't feel it.
Around here, it's referred to+ as: "Doing the Jig"
~TD, Boston
Oh my God! Your explanation of social imagination and your experience of it has hit me like a bus. For me, it's almost like I'm doing everything for the first time every day. Like, I've made specific journeys or gone to the shops or visited friends hundreds if not thousands of times in my life, but every time I feel just as fresh and vulnerable to the situation as if I hadn't done it before. I can rationalise that I've done it before but that doesn't actually matter when I can't conceptualise all the different things that could possibly happen. I'll also script and plan everything but ultimately still feel incredibly on edge because I know that I'll need to process and react to brand new things on the fly when it actually happens. Love your videos!
Same!! It was quite a revelation 😮
omg yes i often forget to eat mostly when I’m at home and there’s no strict routine.
thank you for talking about "autistic facial features" and the small scale studies. I feel like anything that's pop culture-y about facial features tend to go down a racism hole real quick so 🥲
I suffer from face blindness. I can be talking to someone and then afterwards I know I was talking to that person but if you ask me to describe their facial features I can't remember what they look like.
I also have no long term memory too. I can't remember my past. I think it is called SDAM, severe deficit autobiographical memory. I can't remember my childhood or my early adulthood. Flipping heck I can't remember what I was doing last week. It is all a total blank. I mean I can tell you names, places and so on but ask me to give a running commentary on what happened day to day I can't do it. It is why I started to keep a journal because I know I will forget what I did in a few days.
I also struggle with my sleep/wake routine. I have tried to stick to a routine but I just can't do it. One week I can be awake at 7am the next week I am like getting up at 3pm then the week after that 8pm until I am waking up again at 7am.
I have this too, but I think it's Aphantasia. I usually recognise people when I see them, unless they're a twin or have a family member who looks a lot like them, in which case I won't know which one I'm talking to. There are twin sisters living next door to each other in my block of flats. I've been here 5 years and still don't know which is which. If I try to recall what that person, or any person looks like, I have nothing. No images in my head whatsoever. The only way I can see something is if I'm looking at it. Those SDAM and sleep issues are very familiar too!
While it's not quite the same as echolalia certain words and phrases - often from TV and film - stick in my mind. When I'm alone I'll sometimes say them out loud almost like a stim. Occasionally I try to drop them subtly into a conversation, discussion or online comment - it can be satisfying just to do this but even more so if someone recognises their source and you know you've met a fellow fan.
Sounds like echolalia.
Edit: I looked it up. Echolalia is a verbal stim.
I do that ... A LOT. And, no, it's not Echolalia. It's just a stim. The relief valve is equipped with certain precise extrusion dies/molds ... kinda like the way a little toy Pla-Doh factory works. I always liked the Star shape. And Blu Pla-Doh was the finest of all.
@@tdesq.2463 Echolalia is known as verbal stimming.
I feel the same that the bodies just hanging off me. Its why i really do give a shiz what i look like, nwver look in the mirror and look messy at my jobs. I dont see the importance, the importance its what im passionate about in my head
First time I hear of social imagination. It describes perfectly what I experience. During interactions I'm focused on what to pay attention to and my responses, and I can really enjoy it. Afterwards I can feel good for a while and look forward to next time. But after a while I forget what it was like and I can't help but be anxious when trying to imagine the next interaction.
This is the first time I have heard "social imagination". I have always known that I have a hard time wrapping my head around things when they go sideways. I found out not long ago that everyone doesn't do an internal audit for all potential possibilities that may occur in the outside world.
I find it really interesting that it is common to have face blindness. I'm on the opposite end as I have a really good ability to remember faces, but I have total aphantasia. I also have an internal music player that I used to just think was constant earworms until I found out I could control it. I wish there was a database for the lesser known traits to see how fringe some of them are.
I have the interception and face-blindness. When I meet people for the first time, I warn them that I'm bad with names and faces, and that I probably won't recognize them for awhile. My gaming group gets a big laugh out of it when I misremember a person's name or face. I'm just grateful that they don't take offence!
I’m waiting for my Autism Level 2 Certificate! What I don’t get is why if the course was free why isn’t the Government promoting all teachers do the course! Wouldn’t it be amazing if they made it mandatory for all teachers to do the free course….Great video 👍
I love your cat.
In my school and university years I thought I was pretty good in recognizing faces and terrible with names. As for now I think it wasn’t faces that I remembered, but rather the „essence” of the person, combined of posture, gestures, emotions, tone of voice etc. Also I found out that my face recognition skills depend on my interest in the person: the more I like their presence, the more I’m able to recognize them. The same thing works with recognizing actors or musicians. The best example I can give is of Korean boys bands: if I like the music, I will research deeper in the members, learn about each one of them, then I’ll know the names and faces and will be able to recognize them in a millisecond. And another band, which I wasn’t so much into, will still look as all the faces are similar.
I was totally distracted by your cute cat the entire video! You've put words to my experience that I haven't been able to figure out myself. It's nice to feel validated too by your experiences you share on here too.
I copy accents for my inner voice. After watching you, my inner voice is in your accent :) This lasts anywhere from a few minutes to an hour or so. Luckily it doesn't come out in my real voice. At least not yet.
I do this, but it does come out as well!! I've been asked by many people where I'm from, because I've reflected their accent back at them while talking 🤣
“I will have like 6 fkn men that are all the same man to me in Hollywood ..... !!!” Dana and the cat co-pilot are absolute legends.
interoception. exactly as you described... I dont notice these things until it becomes an EMERGENCY. Like im going to vomit bile from hunger and it is the most sudden experience. and also the bathroom...emergency needs to happen right now or im going to have an accident for real. ive cried many times before because i didnt know what to do without access to a bathroom hah crap. i thoroughly enjoy watching your videos hehe, super validating.
Is it a case of common facial expressions rather than features.? Higher functioning autism can have us struggling to hide thoughts & feelings which might give a certain type of expression.
Oh heck I soooo relate to face blindness, it gets extremely embarrassing I resort to having a notebook in new workplacees to jot people's names down ...the annoying people become memorable first 😁(and I'm flumuxed when people change their hairstyle)
I am really disconnected to my body, and it makes horseback riding harder, haha, but then riding is helping me be more aware and integrated in my mind AND body, it's wild how automatic that connection needs to be to make effective riding possible, and it's something I really struggle with!
Also, is hyper face recognition a thing, haha? I am very very good at recognizing subtle facial differences, like i am pedantic about actors- when we watch tv, my boyfriend will say "hey, that's so and so" and he'll be mistaking the person for somene els- i am freaky good at recognizing faces, i guess- like my boyfriend thought a random actor was Robert Sean Leonard, and he wouldn't believe me rhat it wasn't him until we Googled it, it always makes him mad, i am really good at actors nams and movies and directors and all that stuff, the entertainment world was a special interest in my teens so i basically mainlined Entertainment Weekly and Rolling Stone and People, i am REALLY GOOD at useless random trivia, haha...
Anyway, oops i was rambling.
Now i have to re watch the end of this! 😮
SUPER interesting to me for you have mentioned that, I had about 3 horse riding lessons as a kid before my parents couldn’t afford it anymore and I was TERRIBLE at it, probably bcus I’m so disconnected from my body, but I did improve across the lessons, so I think there’s definitely something about it that actually helps create a connection between brain and body! I wonder what other ‘sports’ do the same now.
I’m gonna have to google about hyper face recognition because I feel like it should be a thing, as much as I don’t recognise real people and most actors look the same to me, the special interest kicks in for Doctor Who and I can recognise ANYONE from that, even if they had a minor part in one episode! I don’t remember the last time I watched something with British actors and didn’t point out one of them as being in Doctor Who 😂
"Autistic Facial Features"? Uh huhhhh...that is weird.
The face thing sounds interesting.
Similar facial movements/expressions over a long time create the same "face".
People often ignore the muscle structure and bone structure of a face. Most people pay more attention to the muscle and fat quantity. And if you compare yourself to others of your ethnicity, then it makes sense.
The autistic "face" sounds plausible. Either because of common comorbidities or as a result of autistic expression, the use of the same muscles will create a more similar "face" .
Never heard of the theory before but as I explained the logic tracks. 🤔
I clicked on of your other videos because I felt like you resemble me in the face. I even showed my boyfriend. He said he doesn’t see it but I absolutely do. Just different eye color… it’s interesting!
Brilliant video love your accent.
Apparently humans have between 22 and 33 senses 😳
And only like 4 of mine work properly 😂😂
@@DanaAndersen 😂
i know the 5 sense from school. i wonder what the other 17 are
@@Muhluri that’s what google is for 😁👍
It's always a lesbian that has the best personality 🥰😛
😁