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09:36 Eternal Dynasty
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17:34 Can OPR BEAT Games Workshop?
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I love beatsmen!
That printer would be nowhere near good enough for minis
I like that OPR have a selection of free models so you can try and print them out before you spend the enormous price of *checks notes* a box of intercessors on an army
Like the demo games of old!!
Yeah I loved being able to see how detailed the minis came out before I even spent any money and even if I didn't have a 3d printer the paper version is available to try before you really sink any money into the game
Wow, that's a burn xD
A free sample that costs them nothing to provide - excellent idea
GW: if other companies want to oppose us they can take their shot.
OPR: *is affordable and fun*
GW: NOT LIKE THAT!
That's exactly the reaction....lmao....great comment!
I think that they are following the 3d print equivalent of the Mantic Games' strategy. Make the GW proxy forces to draw people in, and then eventually sprinkle in your own unique IP armies/games once you have an audience. I would like to see them keep up both types of forces in tandem. While GW keeps disenfranchising their customer base, why not stand on the sidelines and pass out cake to draw people in. That is just extra resources for them to pump out more cool stuff!
I think that's a super astute observation, yeah!
@@DiscourseMinis if you didnt like 3d printing what would the equivalent from mantic or other miniture makers
Using OPR rules (for fantasy or sci-fi) any old Start Collecting box is a full 750+ points army. I know because suddenly my random collection of impulse buy stuff makes sense. Oh, and I can have lore accurate forces too, just like I'm doing with the Crimson Fists/Black Templars/Adeptus Mechanicus/Orks royal rumble in the Declates Crusade.
If the long development of 2.50 rules comes to an end with expanded campaing/narrative rules, my laughter will join those of the Chaos Gods in the Warp.
I got no 3D printer but I started reading the sistem and now I'm translating the free rulebook to Spanish (a little mistake offer it only in English, in more languages, more people can enjoy it. OPR is a great alternative to GW's game systems.
On the OPR forum you can find translations to different languages, Spanish too :)
@@RafalRK Thanks, I'll look for it. But I've started, so I'll better end, is a good practice ;)
Oh yeah, I'm definitely printing a Saurian army as my next big project
I and my wife have both walked away from GW because of the cost and game play (hate stratagems and command points). We tried OPR and have now converted over to it to the point I recently got a 3d printer and am in the process of printing my first entirely 3d printed army (alien hive). Long live the revelation.
I miss 7th edition 😭
OMG yes, the alien hive models are soooo goooood!
"My wife and I"*
@@allasar Are you seriously telling me that you have taken the time to comment on a 2 YEAR OLD comment and instead of making a constructive contribution to the subject matter you pick on a point of grammar! I would apologies for my Dyslexia if grammar etc. was the point of the comment but since it wasn't your opinion on my spelling and grammar is irrelevant.
@@ashfordgamingclub5035 It wasn't a grammatical error and it has nothing to do with dyslexia. It is about politeness, something you seem to be lacking.
I made your text more polite. You are welcome.
As had been mentioned, OPR runs a lot of 70% off sales. In addition, there are many months that OPR sends free stl files from other designers who want to get their names out there. Also, terrain stls each month.
Yeah, the fact that they have free crossovers with other STL making companies is also a nice cherry on top of the sundae, so to speak.
Like the haircut! OPR is definitely becoming my favorite company in the hobby, the printers will inherit the earth!
the value proposition is just so huge :o
Dig the hair as well. Drastic just in 4 days. You rock it tho. I agree, value from OPR is more than appealing.
@@DiscourseMinis it’s cutting into a monopoly so I’m glad.
@@DiscourseMinis of the hair?
THIS is the way!
This episode is great! I love that you advocate a GW alternative and detail the reasons why. I had a fear, now ameliorated, that you would get into a rut of saying "GW is anti-consumer" without giving alternatives. Great work.
Thanks Dane! Glad you liked it!
"Ameliorate". Well that's a new word for me, thanks!
Good one, Discourse. I've always been an advocate of OPR. Sometimes OPR does even 70% off their stuff. Wait for sales with them.
Yeah, I actually noticed after recording that there's a sale on for 70% off right now! :)
@@DiscourseMinis it's usually when they reach their stretch goal or whatever it's called. I think there's been a 70% code for the last several months, if not even longer.
Hey Discourse just wanted to add that as a member of the OPR patron for a long time now we have been smashing subscriber goals we have been at a 70% off bonus for months now. Meaning it's actually even cheaper at least some times.
I think they should continue to do both. Draw people in via proxies then get them to also try unique stuff
My Hope Is they continue to come out with bigger and bigger varieties of models. Some of their older stls are not as good but now that they've gotten better I'd love to see their take on dwarves and elves and such
Yeah, the quality has increased so much!
They do updates of older sculpts every few months so far! And dwarves are definitely coming- they were some of their oldest minis so I know they’re going to add a whole line sooner or later.
Definitely will be the first dwarves I buy! I want space dwarves!
Kyoushuneko currently releases dwarves - and has even more in the welcome packs.
@@Rakaziel Oh I've not heard of that company. Mantic makes some that I am not a big fan of, but there's another company Hardcore that has some I want to look into. Thanks for the info!
I think they should keep going both way. Keep making equivalence for GW minis and making their own armies. Like that they can lure more GW players into their hobby and still have their prestige of being their own system. OPR been around for 8 years now but the past year have been exploding for Gaetano. I am happy for him.
Someone about a month ago suggested that 3D printing was idiot proof. At the time I was sitting on enough money to buy three or four of the Christmas battleforces since I don’t really buy models unless they’re in big bundles.
I had signed up to one page rules Patreon back in November on their second tier it cost about as much as a rulebook and a codex and I just wanted to support them because they put all the rules up online for free. So This person had a link on her channel to Anycubic. So I went over and bought a mono X. This is probably the best miniature based purchase I have ever made.
Turns out the monthly STL that you get on patron happens whether you know about it or not. After I got a printer and looked into it I had a lizard man army, Beast man army a robot legion army some alien hive and the eternal dynasty armies just sitting there waiting for me. Plus bases game aids markers little rulers. DICE!
I think they’ve said that they’re going to be coming out with demons in the next couple months because they’re playable in fantasy and sci-fi. So if you’re in the demons there’s a heads up and I think they’re redoing sisters.
They are finishing the Saurians in April - June (and scifi Jackals in May-July) - then 4 months of demons (July - October) and then Sisters and Ratmen (if I remember right) - Albeit the best Ratmen deal is Resin Warfare's campaign on MMF - and Archvillain Games' March release. There are more but these are the ideal "starter pack".
I kind of like their approach of one lookalike set and one unique set each month. "Samurai" STLs are really popular on Patreon right now, so I would be curious to see what they release next.
Puppetswar is doing ninjas this month.
"Birdperson, does not like your ignorance of Birdpresons."
I've been a Patron of OPR since September, growing my collection of STL's as I save for a 3d printer.
So many to print :D
I switched over to OPR when the new Kill Team dropped, and haven't regretted it.
A lot of Patreon-driven STL sculptors are doing the "Join my Patreon, get half off!" thing. I recently joined Pipermakes' Patreon for this reason, but stayed on for the monthly release. That's a good source of T'au proxies, too (which I, of course, use in OPR).
See, what Games Workshop fail to grasp is that they wouldn’t exists without the community. They are strictly business now. Not even the precious IP would exist unless there were fans to start. OPR polls the community each month and we asked for models that were separate from GW fillers. They get it…for now. Hopefully they won’t change with time too. Vote with your hobby dollars either way.
What do you mean by GW fillers? And models separate from them?
@@thylacinepunic5582 hey! Thanks for the question. By “GW fillers” I meant models that could be interchanged with GW factions/models. Examples of separate models would be the Jackals line or the Saurian Starhost. I’m also very excited to see what they do with a sci-fi version of skaven since they already have rules.
@@anegativeatheist-9327 Ah! I see thanks for the reply
I'm super excited about the Eternal Dynasty. Locally we're starting a new wargaming club, just to play OPR rules. I have forwarded your videos to everyone interested here! It is neat watching your subscribers grow. I'm looking forward to maybe some OPR games that you've played.
Thanks Gary! I really love the cyberpunk look to the Eternal Dynasty, they are fantastic.
The FOMO and the culture shift is what broke me.
When you're a Tier 1 backer on the OPR Patreon, you also get the endless joy of constant notification of Tier 2 updates. 😅
One thing that I’ve wanted to do is block armies for OPR regiments. All you need is a box of jenga blocks, some paint, and some labels and you have old fashioned Kriegsspiel style armies.
I like that OPR have the factions that they do, so you can reuse the minis you already have, but expanding the factions is a fantastic idea. I have now completely ditched GW and in the OPR camp 100% now.
That haircut really works for you Discourse. I love 3D printing and OPR is a good company.
OPR's actual Tau proxies are being released in around a year.
A point that i never see being considered in videos about 3D printing is that being able to print your own miniatures gives you (the user/consumer) the freedom to create and modify or replace all miniatures with models that you see fit your own imagination. Of course, there has always been green stuff and kitbashing for that BUT, the first requires high level sculpting skills whilst the second forces you to buy entires boxes of miniatures and still constrains your wish of customization within boundaries related to those already existing shapes and designs.
OPR is so much better now than GW. I freaking love theirs approach for rules and models distribution. And the rules are superior! I watched on my collection of codexes and can't stop laughing of myself how stupid I was. Wargames doesn't have to be bloated and complicated to be fun. Instead of 500 books I now have 2 sided page of rules for super fun and fast games :)
Now it clicks why Battlescribe needs so many pages for an army list of 2000 points, its trying to match the large amount of books needed to play the game.
Guess i been making the 1 page army lists variant for the same amount of points already :P
Instead of OPR's tau minis, gotta plug Pipermakes. Her tau are amazing! She has pretty much completed the Tau line in the next month or so. They're not the cheapest models but they're extremely posable (more than the GW ones probably) and the army looks really nice all together.
I second this. Piper's Tau are the pinnacle of excellence. I have been a patron of Piper since day one, and she has never disappointed. She even goes as far to arrange her presupported models into "plates" so that all you don't even have to add all the files to your slicer. The best battlesuits and drones available anywhere.
Should they continue making new factions instead of rehashing GW and Mantic? Absolutely, it's important that the option is still there but I think it'll garner more respect as a game system with that aspect of it's growth. I also think that the Unit Builder is the most underrated feature that OPR has to offer for its game system. You can do "counts as" for the vast collection of Confrontation, Warmahordes, Runewars, and any other game system or miscellaneous miniature out there but it sure feels special when you can tailor those minis to your unique vision and I would love to see the feature expanded to custom abilities and spells. I ran the equivalent of a Frostgrave wizard and his crew against my friends' stock Ogres list for a game of AoF Skirmish and we both had a blast.
Loving the energy this week 😎 a welcome change after the recent GW news.
Now if only I had the space at home for a 3D printer 🤣
Woohoo! Yeah space is the biggest issue!!!
eternal dynasty are almost entirely complete with april being the last month with them in it after that they are releasing something unique to them but also something old in that the tao jackel auxiliaries (kroot) are splitting off into their own full army which means new units to expand their roster and a fun new design to keep them in that OPR unique style, take a look at their concept in their public march preview + roadmap, nows as good a time as any to join.
My group have played three games of the 'full rules' for Grim Dark and we can't believe how much fu it is. It sacrifices some depth for pace but the tactics of movement means you can actually do things like feints and misdirection. It's pretty great.
Off topic, love the hair, you're looking real good Discourse 😀
New haircut looks great 🤩
Thank you! 😁
I just wonder when GW will run low on Whales and start feeling the printing effects. I fear it will be long in coming but it will happen eventually. Will be interesting to see how they try to keep their strangle hold on things. Also I am dying sitting here waiting for my Printer to even start shipping to me. its going to be a couple months and that's assuming it doesn't get pushed back. Others have waited a lot longer. Grr I want to get to work on these things.
it will happen soon enough. im printing Tau proxies. making a Supremacy armor right now.
3D printing isn't going to bring down GW. That's like saying FORD is going to bring down Tesla when their electric vehicles get to become more popular.
Companys like them never tend to learn their lesson, even when it imploads in their face. They will just keep raising prices and closing stores to keep the margins where they are until the stock plummets. Seeing as they are still well into the green they have some time to milk the whales before it begins to hurt. Even once it does they will continue on for awhile simply surviving off video game and book IP sales.
You might be surprised to find out that not everyone wants a 3D printer. Making STLs kinda pointless for a huge number of people.
I love OPR but will never be buying a 3D printer for a myriad of reasons.
The news network bit “Remember Dont Eat the Resin” def got me lol
A few seconds in: Jeez, why is she so harsh on beastmen?
2 minutes in: Oh wow, why did she go so easy on beastmen?
I appreciate your channel so much! Nine month OPR subscriber here, so for $90 total I’ve got about 20 times the sculpts you’ve shown off here.
Another thing- every month since I’ve joined OPR has hit their subscriber growth goal which comes with more rewards! Usually a 70% off discount on older files- so they’re even cheaper than you outlined here!
Also, welcome packs change regularly! So you don’t even need to go buy most of the back catalogue of troops if you’re patient.
Do they regive new welcome packs to the patrons every month? Or just one pack when you sign up
These are the guys that took Umbridge to the woods. Damn, amazing reference. I love you Discourse
OPR is more approachable than GW. The 'hair chop' was a shock 🤔🤨😮
Thinking and talking of OnePageRules always reminds me of chess: only 6 different minis, 64 fields, simple rules but hard to master. An unbelievable complex game. Also a plus: The simplier the rules are, the more balanced a game is. I will have my first game on sunday. (blue) Battle Brothers against Xeno-Alien-Monsters 😉
It took me over 5 minutes to realise you're not wearing a wig, but got a haircut. Looks good.
"My knowledge of Japanese history is based on Shogun Total War 2 and that Tom Cruise movie. I am a very ignorant person."
Yup that deserves a sub :D
Back to when fantasy had ranks and facings, I did quite well with my beastmen, quite well indeed.
Every time discourse tells me not to eat resin it kinda makes me want to eat resin.
Oh no
Every time you mention OPR I get even more and more tempted to buy a 3d printer
Thank you for the PSA of "Do NOT eat resin". :D
Can never be too careful!! >:D
Discourse you forgot the FREE Battlefleet gothic fleet that comes with every month's releases now! I love my OPR minis and tell everyone about them
There is people out there with 3D printers while I'm making an OPR beastmen army out of paper and painting it with markers.
I like One-Page-Rules, and intend to get into it.
It's a fun "Warhammer Proxy" on one side, but a "Place for your Warhammer you stopped playing" models on the other.
So glad I joined their Patreon about a year ago. For about the price of 2 GW armies (I opted for a yearly subscription), I have dozens of factions for both fantasy and sci fi.
so I decided to go back and watch some of the older videos, like this one. This aged really well... like really really well. I think you need to do a remaster/revisit of this video and OPR in general.
OMG! She sold her hair to be able to afford Games Workshop minis !
Great video, love the 3d printing content AND the fresh new haircut.
Keep it up! :)
As to your last question, I think that new army/faction types would be great. However, they should always have a new model type for prior releases coming out too. Like you said vehicles are hard...maybe they come out with better ones to refresh the range.
What armies do you play? I might know some creators.
I think you've sold me on One Page Rules. Love what you've done with your hair btw
I think they should do both
For age of fantasy its probably not too easy to come up with totally new stuff since a lot of fantasy tropes are part of warhammer anyway (elves, orcs, knight, etc) so itll be nice to have their take on those but love their unique stuff aswell
At this point, about a quarter of our game group has 3D printers. That number is only going to grow.
OPR will have their 70% off Patreon coupon for April as well.
This reminds me of what happened to the music industry when the music industry was dragged kicking and screaming to internet distribution. GW is at that crisis point where it is easier and cheaper to print your minis rather than buy GW minis. Someone at GW really needs to have a new vision for the future, and doing it how it's always been done just isn't going to work any more.
You should do a video on the My Mini Factory Tribes and Patreons to show how many options their are, and also etsy 3D printer that sell models much cheaper than GW, for people that don't want to buy a 3D printer.
thank you for this video. been a fan of OPR for a long time and was hoping you would do something like this.
This is cool to see. My brother and I had decided to try out OPR this past weekend so we both signed up to Patreon and I bought the entire line of Robot Legion for (no joke) $57. I hope they come out with other armies some day. But this is really cool.
Sorry 57 for the 3d print files? or the actual models?
I would be happy to see OPR producing WH proxies alongside their own lines. WH 1st edition had the supplement, 'Forces of Fantasy' with armies from the orient (including vim-to monks), Norsemen, Gnomes, Halflings, Sea Elves, Giants, and lots of different types of goblins. Would be interesting if another rules system picked up some of these lost treasures.
Cool new hair? :)
you betcha :D
Loving the new hairdoo, looks great.
I've become a OPR convert. Grimdark future has actually gotten me excited to play 40k again (it's been a long time). As to whether they should keep rehashing GW armies or focus on new stuff? Well there's room for both, although I'd like to see more new stuff in the long run. Sorely tempted to invest in a 3d printer.
Fairplay the 3d printed models actually look like the file format, very impressed with the quality whilst i remain unimpressed with GW practises and price
"If you play Beastmen you arnt expecting to do well" - that didnt age well already :P
Well they're doing better now! A mere blip though, they'll be back to being rubbish in no time I bet. Sadly, that is their standard operating procedure
If any of y’all have seen the concept art for the Jackals, a new faction OPR is making this May, they are GORGEOUS! I absolutely cannot wait for them to release
OPR is awsome, since I play it I have FUN using my minis. All the time with GW I felt exaustex, becuase rules, Codexes and Meta changed so often.. More often I get a chance to play....
I do thing it needs to be said that 3D printing doesn't really work for some people who live in tiny apartments, or share an apartment with many people.
The things spit out toxic fumes and waste products that aren't super safe unless you have a dedicated room with ventilation.
OPR has a solution to that! Most of their minis are available officially on Only-Games as pre-printed resin miniatures, and they even have Starter Armies that come at a discount.
I share an apartment, and have a tiny room to myself, so that's way better for me.
What Discorse doesn't know is that I'm buying a 3D printer to play beasts of chaos
This is madness
Great video!
And yes, I'd love to see more OPR stuff. Even taking away the comparison with GW, the games and minis 100% stand on their own, especially with them doing their own thing like the Dynasty.
I definitely think when I get into miniature wargaming, it will be through 1-page rules. By the way your hair looks nice.
Thank you!!
I went into the hobby this way and brought few people with me. So I think it is a good point to start.
One of the things that I've always been a fan of is the Seraphon... lore... I love the Seraphon lore. I'm sad that GW basically abandoned the mini line, so when I saw OPR's line of Lizardmen I fell in love because they look exactly like how I've always imagined the Seraphon.
It's even more of an unfavourable comparison because for the entire time I've subscribed to OPR (8 months) the discount has been 70%.
Love the hair BTW.
Great video and review. I hope you can cover the rules or a give a gameplay video of OPR games. I know it would be different from your normal videos but it would help the game grow and get out there even more.
Should they continue making proxies or forge ahead with new armies?
It's gotta be both. Which sounds like a wishy-washy, "I'm not making a decision," option, but it's not. They need to pull in dissatisfied WH[40k|FB] players AND they need to develop their own identity. The Eternals are *amazing*, but so are their Beastmen. Oh, and Beastmen are a viable faction now.
One thing about this model of business is that, and I don't think I've heard anyone in the GW/minis TH-cam community talk about is the rather insidious process of GW *deliberately* power-creeping armies through codices so that there's always one or two "the best" armies for that season, half-year, whatever. The fact is, GW will NEVER, EVER actually "balance" their game because they want to sell minis and rulebooks. OPR? Doesn't work that way. The rules are free. That is a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference in how the two games are played, respectively. Look at your beastmen army. Ready to go from the get-go: Is now and always will be balanced. Or you could wait another few years for a couple of pages in a magazine somewhere, you know, like normal people do. ;)
I dont know what I enjoyed more. The very professional and serious part of the comparison oooor all the puns.
Ok its the puns. :D Nice video, keep up the good work!
We are getting like a 4 month block of every kind of demon this year and battle sisters getting an update at christmas, good year to be collecting opr minis!
Also, you don't even need to buy a printer nowadays, there's so many print farms and places that offer printing services that you could get your entire army printed and never need to touch a printer yourself. A local game store in my city does that already, you can go in, browse their model selection, get it printed, and pick it up next day depending on what model(s) you wanted.
There's also print hobby groups that usually will offer a printing service to get stuff printed off too, not to mention second hand printers are usually less than half retail cost too.
But if you really want to go all out mini painting and hobbying then spending a couple hundred on a printer is way more value than buying from GW or most other mini producers.
Keep getting encouraged to try OPR. Getting tempted given GW's cheeky behaviour over...and over...and over!
I love the Saurian Starter set that OPR does and I'm super looking forward to their range expansion in the next coming months
I have an Elegoo Saturn and printing out one of their legendary models us quite the chore on that machine as well.
You had a haircut, looks great 👍
Also... great comparison between GW and OPR... thanks for that. We just got into 3d printing to start playing Epic Armaggedon again set in the Horus Heresy... cheap and fun, can't go wrong!
Due to the unjustified price increases I've been looking into proxys. And seeing some of the stl's people have designed I am have fully soled on buying a 3d printer this year.
OPR have 70% off sales all the time for patreon members, its a great chance to pick up an entire army for the cost of a unit pack from GW.
Before 8th edition I actually built a basement army. I actually remember buying some members for the basement Army from a guy on Craigslist 50 bucks got me two sets of Gor's and ungors, a painted great unclean one, a sixth edition Giant, an 8th edition giant that had been converted with some plague boils on it, Bela'kor and 20 Bestigors all for $50. And then of course I acquired some other models from saving up my tip money when I was doing pizzas and then going to the game store to buy the beast herds. Think I bought eight boxes.
The 2 minotaur lords I called the Red Bull and the Black Angus.
When your army of indie models, and a printer, and a resin combined costs less than half the army from GW you know someone fucked up...
Woo OPR! Great vid. More OPR please! 🙂
There are also the welcome pack STL’s with the patreon. (Not sure you mentioned them). Aliens Hives and Feudal Guardsmen this quarter.
I’d like to see more guardsmen variants - beastmen guardsmen anyone (it’s in the old lore). Would also be good to see more minis which would work for cyberpunk settings like Infinity.
PS. Digging the new haircut.
would you mind doing monthly coverage of opr releases, and also maybe reviewing some of their niche games?
Yeah these guys could totally work in cyberpunk, whether as an independent group like a gang, or perhaps a branch of Arasaka that is specifically designated to dealing with certain threats.
Loving it. Got every rules from OPR. Haven't played yet, but this might be the only way i can field my grande gnome army (garden variety)
Been listening to Uncle Atom extoll the virtues of OPR for a while, but you got me to actually open their page and take a look.
I started a Beastman army....
...like 19 years ago.
Not sure I wouldn't want to do it today...
Love the way you do your videos! Really enjoyable!
Thanks so much!!
Love my OPR and other models. And that the cost scales with the quantity!
Great video, I have a couple notes
1. I really appreciate you pointing out that people can print these models themselves, i do think it is worth mentioning that resin printing isn't always as simple as 'buy printer, pour resin.' I think it's also worth mentioning that my FGLSs have well operated printing services available, and I suspect that many other FGLSs across the world have similar.
2. I just checked out OPR mmf store, lot of really good stuff there. I really like the Eternal Dynasty models, and I think they could be proxies for Tau, but also SM honestly. It was the one chunky boy with an arm cannon pointed in my face that said 'woah, that's a centurion.'
3. I could use some help though. I really like AoS DoK, but I'd like to print some proxies, however i haven't been able to find..... how should I say..... appropriate sculpts. I think GW did a GREAT job at making the DoK models 'in bikinis, but serious business.' almost all the models I have been able to find so far have been, well essentially lewd, and that's just not the look i want in an army. So i was hoping OPR was gonna have a DoK flavored army, but I didn't see any. If you know of one, please let me know.
3. I also like gnolls quite a bit. The Bonegnasher Gnolls from Artisans Guild on MMF is an awesome army. I love their aesthetic and they printed up super well on my Phrozen Mini 4k. Also, I haven't bought or printed them yet, but the Howling Horde from Archvillan Games also looks crazy good.