Who Was Garm Before Being Imprisoned? God of War Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In God of War Ragnarok, Garm seems to be just an angry giant wolf whose only purpose was to give players an epic boss fight. But there's still a lot we don't about him as a character. Was he always this angry? is he the father of Skoll and Hati? these are the questions I'll be tackling in this video.
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One thing that’s a bit concerning for Fenrir is that he only has 1/4 of his soul. Which part I wonder
Probably luck
In the light of alfien when atreus casted his soul parts there,or his soul parts went there after he died
direction is the one that guides the other parts to light so that part is absolutely went away with other parts
it can be can't be body as fenrir didn't change the body like he jormangander giant did with the snakes body
remaining is mind and luck its more likely that it was mind as fenrir remembered everything of his life in his previous body like brok remembered everything except his death and brok was missing the direction part of the soul
@@zeeshanismail7768 I thought the 4 parts were Luck, Direction, Form, and Nature.
@@powderedwater67 form and nature same as body and mind interchangeable
I have a speculation of what's to come. We know that Angrboda and Loki in the mythos have 3 children, Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel who has not appeared. I believe that the bird in Helheim will be replaced by their daughter Hel since the raven of Helheim wants to retire
No need to speculate! Norse saga is over, so 🤷🏽♂️
@@ededdandeddytv5164 It might still be referenced in future games tho
@@ededdandeddytv5164 I feel like Forseti is important and there’s a reason he didn’t appear in Ragnorok. Since he’s the God of Justice and Reconciliation I feel like he’s gonna pursue Kratos or Freya at least in an attempt to get revenge for the Aesir or something similar. He could possibly be Baldur’s son and since in Norse mythology Baldur is resurrected after Asgard’s destruction, that could be a good way to wrap up the Norse storyline
@@dws0828that I can agree. I think forseti would hire vidar to help out since we haven’t seen him yet.
@@Fr3shyFresh Or Hodr, Baldur's brother
When it's mentioned that skol hati and hrotvitnir were the wolves who brought kratos to midgard, can it also mean that hrotvitnir is garm who opens a realm tear through which kratos is brought to midgard by Faye? Could this mean that Garm is a giant given the size?
Makes sense as midgard is like it's own separate world from the greek and egyptian one and Faye would need a being who can teleport between worlds at will.
Where is this mentioned? I can't remember for the life of me
One theory I have is that Odin actually had Tyr imprison Garm in Helheim.
I think it would be a good inclusion because of how Mimir and Freya reacted on how Atreus messed up, in a way of this: there is a lot of things that Odin did that are terrible and that we disagree with, but imprisoning Garm is one of the few or only things that we agree of him doing.
It shows that just because Odin is the antagonist, doesn’t mean that everything he does is bad. Just like how Kratos is the protagonist, and doesn’t mean everything he did was good (mainly in the first god of war games and god of war 3 in Greece)
It shows that good and evil don’t really exist, that people have different goals and they often conflict with each other and how the only good and evil is in the hearts actions and behaviors of the individuals.
Loving the Demiurge theory. Never heard of any of those beings until I watched your video on it. Really cool stuff man. Can't wait for more videos.
I do believe that Garm Is Fenrir before he gets the soul as you said. Chained up kept imprisoned and chew of Tyrs arm etc. The only problem with Garm being one of the 3 wolves Kratos saw in his dream is for me. Wouldn't Kratos somehow recognise Garm if it was the same wolf he dreamt about?
Personal idea from a story I’m working on:
Garm was spawned after Audhumbla died (the giant cow skeleton we find in niflheim)
While Buri, the first of the Aesir, was born by Audhumbla licking him from ice, Garm was born by the melting of ice from Audhumbla’s blood.
This is why Garm has that blood soaked appearance and possesses such powerful abilities that only a primordial entity could possess.
It's even stated in one of the poems that discusses Garm that he was found in Niflheim at some point.
ox looking thing
Wildebeest: am i a joke to you
actually the mask gives you more steps that you need to follow to acquire the remaining mask pieces, and in this case one of the steps is to free Garm, and then you might be able to search for the next piece of mask
Pure and simple
Fenrir came in the past and then created skoll and hati and did all that with kratos
Maybe by atreus, someone in the future games maybe trying to change the past and this forces loki to send fenrir back in time to bring kratos forcefully to midgard
Kuba, I don’t even need to watch this to know it’s gonna be a banger
pls watch it lol
So many questions left unanswered brother
Hi, i just wanted to say that you are on of the best GOW youtuber out here, thank you for keeping this community alive !
What about a Theory about if you Welled every armor Kratos ever had, like every Norse armor he Got from Brok and Sindri, and the ones from Greese, (including the armor he Got from killing the gods, like Hermes boots, Hadez helmet and Zeus gaunlet. And every set had Its entaintmens, power ups, perks and stats still intact, and gets fused like plused together. And every godly armor he gets their Ability’s. Its like an armor fit for a single ruler of Olympus. A true OLYMPIC ARMOR!!! I Bet Kratos with that on could beat Thor in 5 sec, NO DOUBT!
Unrelated question, but do you think Odin lied to Atreus about the crack? In god of war 2018 I'm fairly certain we hear Mimir telling us how he tricked Odin into losing his eye, but in Ragnarok he implies that he lost it whilst looking in the crack. Could he have done that to dissuade Atreus from looking? Perhaps in fear of Atreus somehow gaining knowledge.
There is a Mimir conversation where Mimir states Odin's lying about that just because he can
@@greenhat8978 I see
He also hid his work on the rift and mask from Freya
Finally, someone asking a new question.
I can see this being a main plot on one of last god of war games,maybe slowly going towards idea.
But pretty the Norse pantheon is done ,maybe demigurg and kratos will be enemies with the amout of times him and his family and friends stopped his plan if this world be a plot the god of war game.
Love it man!! I actually really like this theory. I was mad I had to wait till after work to watch it.
I think that demi-whatchamahoosit has gotten a part of your sanity but it's an entertaining thought experiment to watch.
You know this becomes more scary and scary, well I like in a way.
i love the way you say 'Santa Monica' and atreaus
I think many before me noticed it or not but Fenrir in both forms (small one and when changes Garms appearance for his) has a more white fur on his left side of skull which very much resembles to me the Kratos tattoo ( i know in gow 2018 atreus also has that shape but in the tattoo form). It also very struck me they've never figured out why the mask was resonating in helheim and IF it would still resonate after Garm transformed into Fenrir. Possibly yes but know. On the other hand if Garm aka Fenrir is Skoll and Hati father then who is their mother? We know Angrboda and Loki have three children (one of which is Fenrir) but other sources say that Fenrir also had with Angrboda his sons which strikes me with HOW? haha (she wasn't even out there and other factors). Really interesting vid, thanks for speaking my mind and looking forward to the future ;)
We've already established time travel exists. Jormie and Papa-K have both had it happen. And Garm/Fenrir can open rifts through realms, so why not time?
We need a "will brok come back to life" video
I hope the scope of this story actually expands to the Demiurge.
when mimir says he ate the fifth season he probably ate the deer version of it that we capture ourselves !
I thought the thing Mimir said about garm eating Midgard and the fifth season was him messing with Atreus
i just noticed that they say Grýla’s name wrong in god of war.
Have you guys noticed how when Atreus is taken to Jotunheim and sees the mask while dreaming about his past
Good theory man I think it was Athena, who took Garm soul because his claws Marks are green as Athena from god of war three
Eating a mountain range, okay, but how do you eat a season?
Of fucking course, Yaldabaoth had a hand in this (That's the Demiurge, by the way) Even in fictitious stories, he is vaguely implied to be involved.
do you think Atreus has power over souls since kratos got Hades' soul??
This goes HAAARD. Interesting.
Maybe it was Faye who was controlling the wolfs? She foresaw atreus and kratos futore so she guided kratos to the norse mythology, knowing she would meet and marry a god from the outside lands?
Hey Kuba can you please specify the name of the flute song you used in this video, it sounds amazing
The only issue I have with this theory is that if Garm was Deiurge's lackey for finding the mask before Odin, then the timeline doesnt make sense. The rift appeared to Odin when he killed Ymir, thats like thousands of years ago even before Kratos was a god (safe assumption). But if Garm was being commanded by Faye and dragged Kratos to Scandanavia then Garm had a soul till that point which will essentially mean that Demiurge opened rift to Odin but also recruited GARM later on? @KaptainKuba
When are you gonna start to upload gow rag theory vids?😄🤩I can’t wait!
You're commenting on one lol
@@KaptainKuba 😅
If the mask was truly part of the monad then I believe it led Atreus to garm knowing what role he would play later as a vessel to Fenrir
Question, how did you get the cinematics for your intro? 🤔
Personally I think jumping to theories on the demiurge is a bit of wild speculation. I still think it’s linked to the primordial beings that were described in Ascension. And that Ymir is simply a member of this primordial race.
Honestly, stuff like novelizations is always gonna be “loose” canon. It’s advertised sometimes AS canon but when the time actually comes the writers dismiss it and write canon that contradicts what happens in the novels.
Novels always get some backhanded treatment💀
Cory Barlog better tie this up, I need answers
I gotta say, I’m astonished, how can you come up with such theories 😂
My theory is that. The third world in the novel is Fenrir but since time had pass he somehow died unhonorably in a battle or something else and his original body is in helheim but his soul is reincarnated to The wolf that atreus and kratos found.i say so bercouse i think ITS the same as the reincarnated Valkary.
If what he’s saying is true then this means the next “chapter” may be the final one to tie all the games together:
Chapter 1: Greek saga
Chapter 2: Norse saga
Chapter 3: ????? saga.
I honestly think that garm was born without a soul as a force of nature. Then Atreus put fenirs soul in him and then somewhere in the future debit goes back in time has skoll and hati then continues like normal
I think the next game is gonna be something like the higher plains pf existance temps atrues of the chance to bring his mother back and kratos trying to stop his son cuz kratos knows this is some kind of trick
And we see athena guide atreus like she did kratos in the old game. They go to egypt to find the last piece and then we have demiurge and all the greek and norse and egypt gods fighing against kratos atreus freya and the rest. I feel like we could also see sindri be there too for the same promise to bring back a loved one. The theme of the games could be letting go of the ones you love. I feel this could be one of the best ways to end the god of war arcs with kratos and we could finaly see people praise kratos like we say at the mural and atreus doing his own thing and we could get games of him.
hi captain! can i ask you -or anybody else who knows- where the demiurge and monad thing video came from? is there a video about it?
Theory only one part of the soul went into the knife but when they fell into the lake of souls the other three parts got pulled into the knife as well.
I like this theory. But if Garm was commanded to look for the mask, why he didin´t attack Atreus and take it? We´re so close.
Kaptain Kuba which game do you like more? God of War 2018 or God of War Ragnarök?
But tyr still has his arm doesn't? I believe that atreus has a relationship with the timeline shifting between past present future and repeating it to avoid his father death kratos and atreus in this timeline success to avoid kratos but how many attempts and how because we know that loki can do shifting like in loki series
I have followed u since god of war 2018
.... regular sized wolf.......
Those wolves are the size of small donkeys, How the hell is that regular? :P
If fenrir or garm bit off Tyrs arm why does he still have his arm ?
Also, Garmr's face is two-tone, as if he's wearing part of a mask.
i really want to know more about hildisvini though
I'll probably tackle that topic next, his future role is beyond interesting
@@KaptainKuba Man i’m excited to see that video keep up the great work
Mask guiding Atreus to helheim, wasn't that a misinterpretation by Atrues
He even says to Odin,that he misread a word or something... after coming back from Hel
After that He and Thor go to Niflheim
What if it was Tyr who took Garm’s soul?
Why does T’yr have 2 arms?
Both Tyr and T’yr … at least one of them was supposed to be chopped off by Garm
Garm and Fenrir aren't the same wolf. Garm kills Tyr during Ragnarok and Fenrir kills Odin
Who is the mysterious woman who brought Kratos to Midgard?
Just to say that Garm is a dog,not a wolf.and He and Tyr kill eachother in Ragnarok.
so how come brok still has his eyes and he only turned blue bc of the whole dying and coming back thing
How you know the demiurge was Athena? Any proof
The dimiurge blew the horn! As athena!
You can't get an nuff of the higher plane or the demmeage
That demiurge is some good stuff
Then Why they named little Wolf Fenrir that could be Garmr and The Big Wolf in Helheimr Fenrir.
Genius sir
This may sound odd but maybe fenrir soul got remove before get soul back lol again time travel
It was loki himself
Athena should have killed Odin, take the mask, and thus make it a trilogy 😮💨
Nah it was Faye just setting Atreus on the right path.
Yo Kuba, this is a very beautiful video 😉
How tf does tyr have both arms
the timeline presented in your theory makes kratos come to midgard before it existed beacuse garm still had his soul when he dragged kratos to midgard
I like your cut G 🤚👋👏
Fenrir is skoll and hati father
Sick intro
It could be that the "creator" or "primordial" beings are all in a way related to the higher plane of existence
The Primordials created the universe
Ymir thought the universe to existence, Sinmara gave it water and Surtr gave it the stars
Two pieces are found in the realms of Sinmara and Surtr
It would make sense that another primordial, Ymir had the other piece, which is what Odin obtained in the first place
So maybe, Garm/Hroditnir has a connection because he's a primordial wolf, father of Skoll and Hati and a unique being in its own way
The mask guides itself back through sensing of energy, maybe whatever was still left inside Garm guided the mask there
Or it was a direct intervention by the "good" beings in the higher plane, as Garm/Fenrir was the reason Atreus and Kratos survived the end of Asgard
Mabey farms souls is in the mask 😮😅😂
I think there were two Fenrirs, the first one was the father of skoll and hati while the second one (the one we see in the game) was just named after the first one by Atreus. The first one was probably the one in the book.
Makes sense actually
Actually there were three, the third one blew the horn in Midgard
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 And how do you know this?
@@dawipeach8948 source: trust me bro
Or fenrir in 2 different timelines
He’s a good boy now. ❤
He is indeed ❤️
I can say for sure that these are your best theories in the channel by far(well at least when the next game comes out) and I must say you really should consider yourself of becoming a writer because these ideas or theories of yours need a long time to be developed which is impressive
your comment means a lot. I will definitely think about pursuing that
@@KaptainKuba id love to see a game directed by you
@@KaptainKuba Santa Monica studios hire this man.
Y'know, as farfetched as this theory is, it's a REALLY good theory and it makes a ton of sense. I'm impressed and I'm even putting some faith into this one, time will see.
Okay but what if eating a half of the mask is what corrupted or destroyed the soul of Garm. Since it destroyed Odin's eye, and it's a higher plane of existence, the damage is beyond physical
damn talk about a bad time at the diner
Didn't Odin rip out his own eye after he tripped out in a well Mimir laced with magic mushrooms? A well Mimir pretended had mystical knowledge.
The idea of the Demiurge trying to use the mask to manipulate others like Garm, Odin, and Atreus into getting more power for itself is an interesting theory. It would explain why the mask reacted to Garm. Plus, an overarching villain of the god of war universe sounds interesting and it would be a nice final opponent for Kratos overall.
I would say the Demiurge used Odin and Garn at the same time. The rift opened when Odin killed Imir and created the norse realm. If it only opened after Garn got chained down, which itself happened after his soul was taken, that would mean Kratos got dragged to Skandinavia before it was created.
If that happened then Faye wouldn’t have even started the first rebellion so it isn’t possible for kratos to be transported there at that time and the world had already been in turmoil for a very long time also the Norse had been practicing their beliefs at the same time as the Greek so the time period does not work
OK sweet
its more likely the rift is connected to time travel, if you think about it they already had time travel as a thing in the game with Jormangundr. so maybe the rift let Odin see a tiny glimps of the future and thus learned of Ragnarök and spent all his time seeking answers, the Norns gave him only lies and so he figured that a mask from that came out of the rift would let him see into the rift and thus he sought answers. the reason why Athena wanted hope from Kratos in GOW3 was because even in the higher plains the evils unleashed by Kratos from Pandora's box still influenced her to this very day. i am unsure if it was greed or pride or maybe all of the evils from the box, and this is something Kratos is very much aware of which is why he disregards Athena in GOW2018, he knows she is corrupted by the evil of pandora's box and while she would give some insights she would also lie.
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The rift presents Athena's energy. I think it was her mask, so maybe she was the one manipulating Garm, and eventually Odin?
Thinking more: it fits her agenda of wanting the Higher Realm to herself, and manipulating Kratos and Odin into killing off all gods through the unworthy events of Ragnarok.
the whole mask thing was just a reference to the movie The Mask (1994) with Jim Carrey. It didn't have any deeper meaning and led to nowhere because Loki destroyed it
@@emir6110 With how much narrative focus is put on the mask and the potential consequences of using it, that'd be an awful lot of effort to make a simple pop culture reference. Especially since Atreus destroying the mask is also framed as a pretty important event, emphasising the story's theme of Choice vs Fate.
@@chansesturm7103 Damn this game definitely needs a dlc with atreus as the focus so many plot points towards him are left hanging, sindri's anger, missing giants, Mask mystery.
even kratos has some plot line unresolved, like how he met faye, who blew the horn,
@@chansesturm7103 the whole focus of the last game was on tyr and building him up then he was just used as a gotcha plot twist in ragnarok. And that's just one example. Many plot points led to nowhere
when atreus meets the chained up garm he says that he feels that garm wants to be free, but with the soulless animals he can´t feel anything.
So atreus shouldn´t feel anything from garm when he meets him for the first time (if garm is soulless), or am i wrong ?
Also wasn´t there something about the mask lighting up in helheim because it was the right place, but the wrong realm ?
I thought Garm had the same power source as the mask and that's why the mask is guided to him. Surtur says the blades of chaos have primal fire, maybe the green power is something similar and linked to the Demiurge
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Great theory again! Who Garm was before he lost his soul is a very intriguing mystery
Hroovitnir
This was a super interesting theory! I wonder how Ymir fits into all of this though because Odin mentions that upon killing them, the rift appears. I think Ymir, being the first giant, could've been another manifestation of the Demiurge put in place by said powers long before to give Odin a motive.
I lost my dog a few weeks after this game came out, so the opening with Fenrir hurt. When he came back with the soul magic, I felt so sad and yet so happy
I think I know what happened, maybe Skoll and Hati's father was in the body of garm, or his body, Odin took his soul with some magic or something (he is the all father) and an uncontrollable beast was unleashed, named Garm, and then Fenrir took his body. making these 3 important names 1 wolf
I like the higher plane of existence theory, but if it was simpler than that. If Faye was the person who commanded Garm in the beginning. Then maybe she was the one who took his soul. She could have foreseen that Atreus would put Fenrir's soul in the knife, and planned for Fenrir and Garm to be one in the end.
First time we see him and the Mask glows, I thought that Garm Ate the mask piece and it was glowing because it was in his stomach.
I even thought maybe Odin would end up getting his Hand bitten off trying to get the peice. Sadly I was wrong
But we did get Fenrir back and he's a Good Boy, kratos telling him to head home and Fenrir just opens a portal was perfect
I think Garm is Hroovitnir the the father of Scold and Hati, because of what Mimir says in the boat he told them how they captured Garm.
Oh I did not watch the video before I made the comment.🤣🤦♂️
Geniuses think alike
This was a great theory kuba keep up the amazing work
I'm on it, thanks for the compliment coach
I love this theory! Could also explain why garm in the qst place was uncontrollably destroying the lands and eating mountain while in search of something