Is Odin Still Alive? God of War Ragnarök
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I've been getting some comments saying that I've stolen this theory from another God of War TH-camr. I address this and explain things in this follow-up video:
th-cam.com/video/grDRlL-deVU/w-d-xo.html
this could also explain why Atreus couldn't talk/understand Odin's Ravens like he could other animals. Because they don't have animal souls, they have parts of Odin's
I mean, they have no thoughts while bound to Odin. So I don't think they could feel either way. They were in a state of life and death
Cooking with kratos had the same theory 2 weeks ago
@@Wolf-hw1rg please don’t bring that dude here some of his videos are really stupid
I think they had there own souls and Justin wernt normal ravens it’s much more plausible
Sounds like you didn't do any of the Niflheim quests
I actually think this is very realistic. Especially with atreus knowing how to transfer souls, maybe Odin found a way to take it a step further.
69th like 🗿🤝
That odin knew how to use giant magic better than the giants to the point if duplicating a soul?
@Synderth MC that doesn't directly indicate he knows how to use it "better". Although in Odins case I'd say potentially, yes. He knew multiple types of magic and could've combined them. Not to mention his relentless drive for answers of the unknown, and pushing boundaries. A trait the giants did not possess in the slightest. The giants seemed pretty peaceful and uninterested in immortality. Odin is evil, but that doesn't make him less capable of using magics in any way as you saw he ended up being more efficient in vanir magic than Freya even. Confirmed by Mimir. I'm not saying the giants couldn't do it either btw just wouldn't, for reasons of corruption. Sorta like seior magic. Whereas Odin wouldn't worry about those consequences in the least. Odin also had experience with seior magic too which is confirmed by the green ravens/Raven keeper tasks. Plot twist Odin is really just a magician posing as a God lmao!
@@andyhuber5339 very well explained. I can see it happening
Yeah, it would be very Odin for him to do so. But we just don't know it yet
Even more info that could support this, in Norse myths Huggin and Munnin are part of Odin. Huggin is Odins thought and Munnin his memory. So they may have altered it slightly in the game to be odin himself
Smart and nice catch!
Puts the one sided conversation you can listen in on Odin having with Huggin in a different perspective. Mans literally having an argument with himself and telling himself to learn how to take yes for an answer.
I 100% buy this theory. Odin whispering into atreus mind as he travels across realms to find the giants would make for an amazing story along with how he gets a trickster moniker.
Perhaps it's Kratos goal to travel across realms to undo the wreckage caused by Odin through his son.
I’m not an expert in Norse mythology at all but I am from Sweden so I learned a bit of basics in pre-school. If I remember correctly his ravens were kind of like extensions of himself. I also know for a fact that ravens signified Odins presence so from a mythological view I could support this theory!
I liked the part where you point out the “nooo” Odin says when one of his ravens got killed. But he didnt hesitate to kill thor and disregard Baldur’s death “his mind was gone”. Good vid
@@chicomac8450 you clearly didnt watch the video
@@javierkofler498 yo grandma
I love the idea of more Odin in the future so we can hopefully get more sadistic him
they have confirmed that the norse gods are not going to be in any future games
@houseofaction I'd say that's more being said as they won't be the ones that are the antagonists. I think that whatever the final game is will see many past characters return or reappear. In Norse mythology, Baldur returns from the dead once Ragnarok is over and Fimbulwinter finally ends and gives way to Spring. I've been trying to think of where the series can go from here. It was said in an interview after GoW 2018 dropped that 5 more games were planned and mapped out. So that means at least two more mythologies will be explored if they stick to two games per mythology, although I feel like a return to Greece is in the cards, which means that's either its own game or part of a game where Kratos essentially returns to each land he's been to. I don't think the prophecy of him being worshipped as a just God is about him in any one particular land. I think it will be in all the lands that he steps foot in. So in theory, the next 3 games could each take place in their own land with the final game of this saga (perhaps the series?) taking place in each land Kratos has been in and affected, Greece included.
Kratos would damn blind both of Odin's eyes if he shows up again. Or brutally murder Huginn like he did to Birdlike enemies.
@@SpaghettiYOLOKingTTVI think the next game will be a kind of mixture between the Norse pantheon and the next one that the game is going to get into. There's still a lot of stuff to tie up in the Norse saga and possibilities to come from it. I hope we get to bring Thor back as an ally by traveling to the lake of souls and collecting his soul parts back. They just have to make sure to get his direction back out of anything that way he won't end up like Brok, not getting an afterlife.
I don't think they'll bring back Odin, but I love the idea of Huginn accompanying Atreus on his journey.
I really like your theory! Also, in the beginning of 2nd phase of odin boss fight, right before the choir again begins you can hear 2 separate sets of very fast drum beats, which sound like scared birds trapped in a cage trying to flee for their lives, but being held back: Huggin and Munnin. You can also later hear violins, like claws trying to scratch away.
But after odin releases his ravens and Munnin dies and Huggin is shot (but lives), the theme suddenly shifts to a forte variation of odin's main theme only, no wings or claw scratches. Like odin is trying to say "HEY LOOK AT ME, THE DISTRACTION! NOTHING OF IMPORTANCE BEHIND YOU! You came for me didn't you? Come at me!" He did it. He got our atention. Huggin escaped.
Its not his theory… the theory is stolen from cookingwithkratos. If you look at the release dates of the vid, you’ll see Kuba has stolen the theory so he can profit more 💀. He disnt even credit him…
@@GowSpeedrunsAndMemes Kuba in this vid explains HOW odin could have survived and the idea of this being a contingency plan, like back-up copies of him/parts of his soul and how Odin is alive within Huggin. While both share the idea of Odin surviving by using his ravens, CwK's vid leans into why Odin is alive as Mimir by disguising himself with his ravens. There is some difference. Plus, lots of detail everywhere hence why different 2 people can come up with a similar theory.
Edit: Just to be clear I do not support copying other creators, and I think it would be good if Kuba gave some credit to him if he a accidentally or intentionally copied him. Although I would like to say that, again, there are many people in the comments, including myself that also finished the game with similar theories.
👉❗So yeah, idk what happened, but I think people should check him out and judge for themselves.
@@GowSpeedrunsAndMemesookingwithkratos doesnt deserve respect for one reason. mf speaks as if it is a fact like he works on the game and leaks what santa monica would do to the next game instead of speaking it like a Theory. The funniest bs he said is Odin being Atreus' real Father🤣
@@GowSpeedrunsAndMemesAnyway speaking of "stolen theory" its literally common for video games community having similar theories.
Bro your all KAP! name fits u pretty well. U straight up stole *cooking with kratos* theory.
THANK YOU!
Kratos accuracy with spear to mask is so amazing
I think its a great theory, i think Odin is a perfect villian to bring back and would love to see more of him. Ragnarok had a good ending but I feel there is still a lot to learn about this Odin or possibly a slightly different Odin that comes from hugnin. Also if the next game is Egyptian mythology, having a greek god, with norse gods like odin and loki, interacting with Egyptian gods is just an awesome thought in of itself
What I hope is that Hugin and Munin together would be able to recreate Odin. But with one of them dead something will be missing.
Don’t have any more precise thoughts, I just want Ragnarök to have been big enough a loss so he have to work to come back.
1:36 Goffy ahh Odin let that mask go 😂 AUUUGGHHH
Goffy? This goofy ahh comment💀💀💀💀💀💀
If Huginn is indeed a copy of Odin, I wonder what mythological aliases he might take on in other pantheons?
4:44 I was thinking the exact same thing! However I still don't get why the Ravens didn't just fly up, but rather flew into their enemies' hands.
Dude you've got something with this one! What a great detail that probably everyone missed!
hope this is true, it would show how big brain odin is
Whilst this is a cool theory. I for one still like to believe in a final death of Odin. It's good to actually close a chapter of a story and not constantly reusing old villains draw it out for longer. Kratos and Loki got their closure at the end and it was well deserved. If they do something in the future, then it should be a different era, culture and a different villain
I hope we get more of God of war in future and this theory is going amazing keep up the good work - from saul
We 100% will get more of god of war, its the biggest ps exclusive after all
@@thegamingking1972 i just hope we get it soon and don't have a long gap in between
@@GOWRAGNAROK69 100% will be long waits for new games
Better call Kratos 🗿
@@GOWRAGNAROK69My guess is not before 2025, or maybe SM Studio hire another smaller team to make some GoW spin off to fill gap between Ragnarok and next pantheon/realm of Gods?! 🤔
Sounds like Voldemort and his Horcruxes
This dude deserve being in santa Monica team
f you also remember, it’s mentioned that Odin had already found a way to subvert Ragnarok and that he wasn’t worried about it anymore. What if this was because He knew that even if he was defeated, he would still live on through one of his duplicates
Ding ding ding
Your a Winner, this is a spot on
Nail on head theory!
No way you’re this good. It’s unreal
He took it from cooking with kratos lol
Odin is like Voldemort too tired to carry on...
That cartoon noise was hilarious
I always thought that Huginn had a white eye (like Garm) at the end of the game and I thought those eyes were only like that in soulless creatures
I have a completely different theory:
Odin is alive in Sindri’s Hammer.
Freya makes the remark regarding a powerful spell Sindri Casts on a Seed of the world tree: “All that just by tapping it with a hammer?”
Ragnarok reveals that dwarves can cast unbelievably powerful spells that can even impress the Vanir just by tapping an object with a hammer.
GoW 2018 Also reveals that in a split second, dwarves can trap a soul inside of small objects in order to preserve the soul inside. The soul inside is then able to speak to someone like Atreus.
I believe that Sindri transferred Odin’s soul into his hammer, taking him prisoner. This is because NO ONE knows what lies beyond better than Odin. Sindri can’t let Brok go, so he’s taken Odin prisoner to figure out what Odin learned when he hanged himself from the world tree. Sindri HAS to bring Brok back, no matter what.
This is honestly not a bad take, this is definitely something Sindri would do. However he does say "that's what comes next" referring to the nothingness of his existence
@@KaptainKuba I think this line from Sindri is more of a “I was watching the whole time”. 2 minutes before Sindri smashes the stone, Odin says “I have to see what comes next”, so Sindri was watching from the shadows at least since then, possibly even the entire fight waiting for his chance.
I think Sindri’s comment is just him saying “this is what happens next”, nothing more or less
Thanks for all the great content, Cap!
Anyone else think them not adding Sleipnir was a HUGE missed opportunity? Imagine if in the boss battle with Odin we had to fight him on his horse, kinda like the barbarian king in Gow 2? Imagine its as big as the thing Heimdall rides but its an 8 legged horse that's infused with bifrost.
It'd be funny if Santa Monica didn't think of this but then they watch this video and decide to implement it
apart from everything i want you to know kap that the GOW world is way better and much more entertaining because of you. the GOW community including myself loves you very much
I really appreciate the kind words, lately I haven't really felt like the community wants me around lol
@@KaptainKuba lol
This man straight up hi jacked a smaller youtubers theory and named it his own. This video came from cooking kratos. His video breaks this down perfectly
@@KaptainKuba um maybe not take from smaller up and coming youtubers. I see from the comments im not the only one whos from cooking kratos channel. This theory was made by him weeks ago. At least give him credit man. Its like you used all of his points. As a content creator inwould be pissed
@@ragnarok9658 so two people can't have the same idea ok stop replying
I think the theory is solid imo, i had the same thoughts and is why I came here looking for other who thought the same.
Another thing to point out, he seems to send out three ravens. The first was when he was bound by runes, the one that Freya catches, he then blows up and it eacapes. He then tries to send out the other two, one gets arrowed and the other gets it's necked snapped.
That scene where a crow got out gave me chills for some reason
Yooo Kaptain you should watch this guys cookinwithkratos theory about odin being alive still. Pretty convincing video. It’s crazy all the small and subtle hints he picks up
Ohhh thats really funny bec just from an hour ago i was watching your ragnarok theories and i really wanted a theory video to drop today
And you just did it now 😅
8:18 Didn't Know i had PTSD, Thanks.
Huginn making it is super suspicious
That's an awesome theory, but didn't they already stated that- the Norse saga is over?
Odin is Voldemort, he has raven horcruxes'
These fan theories are interesting. They definitely left the door open for another game in alot of ways I think
My theory was that Odin stole Thors soul when he killed him and the soul parts which went in the orb were Thor, while Odin just pretended to be dead
I really wanna see Odin again... Maybe they'll put him back, as a god with amnesia... But only has the thinking(thoughts)/mindset of Odin, without his memories(Munin)...
I took it more like black zetsu and kaguya.. from Naruto..
The ravens are Odin's will, meaning they will stop at nothing to bring him back because that is Odin's will
They would have more knowledge than any1 aside from mimir
Also I keep asking for Loki to be Loki... As he has never actually became Loki yet because he hasn't become Odin's blood brother... The raven will trick Atreus by making a blood bond and steal some of his humanity(morals) thus forming Loki the trickster from Norse lore and Odin's return in the future
Atreus shot one and Freya snapped the other one's neck
Best one yet. I Think Odin is still alive! And must be alive. Even that Death of Odin in that game is not his real Death in his Mythology counterpart! Even Thor and Heimdall in some backup way or something another way.
i love this theory ! Now i really think kratos is going to somehow find his way back in time or at least finding a way to get all his powers from both realms because that might be the only way he'll be able to beat odin on his own if he's not truly dead.
Damn I really like this theory. Now combine it with baldur coming back like he did in norse mythology. Can't wait to hear that 1
And here’s another hint this is important, when Atreus took Odins soul out the color was blue, and huggin eyes are glowing blue while on the branch meaning there’s a soul inside of the raven
I also don’t think there can be another game without kratos in it
late but your answer is on 2:01 , the raven were supposed to attack atreus and freya, thats y they fly at them , if they were supposed to be escaping they would fly up, not at them
I agree. Also once you finish the game Atreus points out a single raven… 🤨
I think you’re right on this one, and I think we’re gonna see old and in the future here is why they constantly boasted that he was the most powerful all the Ascier gods, which would make sense OK but if he was all powerful, had all the power he would seen his death before it came But yet he wanted to use the mask to see into the crack and we already know that you sacrificed one of his eyes to know that he was gonna die in the future so he doesn’t mean he’s all powerful, which would make sense if you wanted to continue His quest of knowledge that he would make a duplicate of himself to continue it but I have a feeling that duplicate ate exactly the all fault. I think he might change over time just like the war, Kratos, and all the other Aceier gods except for Heimdall.
I want to say this. Even if this is true, what does it matter anymore? Developers have confirmed that this was the last game there and that if there is a new gow it will be in a different place
I love this theory, because I really thought Odin was smarter to not just get himself killed so easily without a plan
Exactly! Odin is very smart to know when to fight and when to retreat. He retreated from Jötunheim because he knew he would be overwhelmed on that occasion but he stayed and fought both Kratos and Atreus who was arguably OP in his own right at that time. That is despite knowing literally everything about Kratos from Greece and in GOW 2018. Still Odin was confident in his abilities to face them there or he had a larger plan already. After Atreus broke the mask I think he was either consumed by anger and despair, like everything he worked for was for nothing and didn't care too much so he just fought and was eventually overpowered by all three, or he just continued out with a larger plan
It was the end of the story, the big bad had to go. It's over
I wouldn’t say odin was killed easily
@@vit-t680 He was. Beaten into submission by being kicked by a child, and destroyed by a dwarf
@@dawipeach8948 so? He won against kratos and loki, they had to be saved by Freya
Hey Kuba have you ever noticed how Ares’ skin was the same colour as kratos? Maybe he had a similar curse to kratos?
they really missed out on odin he could have been much badass and enjoyable to kill
I just finished the game again recently and thought it was kind of weird that one of the ravens survived after Ragnarok
I love GoW theory’s but ones like “is Faye still alive” just make me mad for wasting time
Great theory man, I also love when you shout out your members in the end of the video
thanks man, and thank you for your support
@@KaptainKuba it’s no problem
I think the reason he let them out is as a distraction because they kill the birds Odin uses that time to pull a book towards him that was on the shelf right behind him, if he didn't send out the birds the 3 of them would've surely stopped that
Captain spoiling the whole God of War 2024. Nice and convincing theory as always.
Stole this from @@cookingwithkratos
Yes he survived. Sindri is the Horcrux Odin never intended to make.
He’s dead,his soul was shattered into nothingness
Man imagine if they make a trilogy again in Egypt or wherever and the last game of trilogy is the battle of the pantheons, somehow all gods from norse and Greek realms come alive again and battle it out amongst themselves and atreus is caught in between all this, then kratos goes to show his true power, even more than God of war 3 version and kill each and every god for the final time and ultimately die in the process. If that happens it will truly become the game of the century
I would like to see Odin return.
Even the fight with gna, she was screaming "for asgard" when there was no asgard it won't make sense if there is no asgard but if the allfather is alive it completely makes sense
And also when you defeat her she murmurs Allfather I have failed
Like he was alive and she was upset she couldn't complete the job if he was dead why would she be so sorry to fail because his death means that she already failed and the success at this moment will only mean revenge
For all those talking about the soul bits and whatnot; reminder. They specified that souls have four pieces. When Atreus whispers away Odin's soul, there are four wisps that emerge. Ergo Odin's soul is whole and no piece was put into anything else.
That would make a great third norse game,
All souls have 4 parts so it could work
Possibly that this birb will be seen in GoW next chapter (Egypt myth maybe?) And this will make the cause for kratos to finish his chapter... His final journey.
Maybe we get the answers we want with the mask in the next game
4 ravens for 4 soul parts
He pulled off an Orochimaru
In the real Norse method Odin is also half giant
I’m also confused on when the world serpent will come back bcuz remember the lore is he gets hit so hard he got sent back into time well he got hit by Thor Thor dies where does he go if he goes back into time and has to wait for Atreus to put his soul back into the snake them what happens when he don’t
As well if we go by the real Odin, his ravens really are a part of him.
Odin is actually so weak…
This would be awesome
Favorite theory so far
Odins dead ☠️. Sindri crushed his soul with the 🔨. He’s not coming back.
I knew before I beat the game Cory is Fooling us
Do you still think that they’re gonna go to a different pantheon? Because Odin alive plus who blew the horn plus forseti still alive and a lot to do in norse.
Im pretty sure the intention was that odin was sending his ravens to attack, although it proved ineffective.
Also why did you put the fact that hugin being alive right at the end. I was gonna make a comment about how you were wasting time because the ravens are dead. 😅
yes yes yees i thought the same! he transfered his essence in the reavens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love your theories ❤️
And what is with tyr he see him all these places after you find the real him and he really don’t talk to u I’m curious to see what he says about this events the time he was lock away how often did he and Odin talk etc
I have questions. Will Mimir's body at midgard be finally unbind and he can be back to normal? I'm just curious since odin is "gone"
i thikn this is one f the best theories you've come up with. but lately something related to the last thing you said puts me off about theories. like those kind of details can be interpreted as amazing things or just random actions. its unortunately up to developers wish. he or she can say it was just an action nothing more and it makes the whole thing pointless. so thats a bit off putting
Yup, I buy it and it’ll help story wise with Atreus spin off games, a brand new villain coming out of nowhere won’t be nearly as impactful as odins return.
But didn’t freya and aretus kill hugin and munin look closet freya chokes one of them and aretus hit the other one with a spell
Great video.
Kratos pointed out that Odin had lifetimes preparing for Ragnarok. It would make sense that he evaluated every single possibility, every possible outcome, even the most unlikely or unpleasant ones. So it would be plausible that he would create more than one safeguard in case he actually dies.
Yeah he's norse god's batman. Always has a plan
@@KaptainKuba Yo Kuba, you ever thought about how badass it would've been if they added Sleipnir? HUGE missed opportunity in my opinion. Imagine if in the boss battle with Odin we had to fight him on his horse, kinda like the Barbarian King in GoW 2. A big ass 8 legged horse that's infused with bifrost, and once we finally knock Odin off and kill Sleipnir, THEN we get to throw hands Odin. That'd actually be a cool theory video, what happened to Sleipnir? Cuz we see Odin riding him to battle in multiple murals throughout both games, but he never makes an appearance in game. Kinda weird.
Yeah he also saw the prophecy as tyr with atreas and Kratos in alfiehm so anything is possible
@@KaptainKuba something you did not mention is that there are multiple parts of the soul
Fenrir came back to life with only part of his soul and he is now in the body of garm
Same thing applies to others like the world serpent as his soul use to belong to a giant
Odin must’ve had some way to infuse his soul into these ravens and this is why he wanted them to escape as even if parts of souls have been shown to allow someone to live on in another body
Maybe he will try taking over a gods body…
He's like dr strange in infinity war
Bro you straight up stole @Cookingkratos theory 😆 wow.
To be honest I thought he died to easy too, so this actually makes sense
yea me too and Kratos also said that this feels too easy
Maybe this is why there was only 2 games in the Norse pantheon
Maybe they will come back in another way in the next up coming games
These up coming games can give us a lot of info on Athena as well as we still don’t really have an idea of what’s going on with her except theories
If Athena really was manipulating Odin like some theories say him coming back just gives Athena an opportunity to make him a pawn again
@@TrippieMint is there proof that there's only 2 norse pantheon games? I feel like there will be 3
@@king3860 yes it’s stated by the devs that ragnorak is the last game in the Norse panethon
Wether that means we will be following Atreus and his journey to other pantheons to find giants or kratos going to another pantheon or even going back to Greece is a mystery
@@TrippieMint wow ok. I'm surprised because it feels like there's still so much more that they could still include, and still things that could be touched on. If they do give Atreus his own spin on things then It'll make sense, but if they just basically leave it all behind for another pantheon then it'll kind of feel like wasted potential
Your theory is good. And with Odin basically knowing all Atreus, Kratos and Freyas plans from masquerading around as Tyr, I'm sure he had a fail safe plan for his eventual demise. And Huginn would be the perfect vessel to house Odin's soul. Side note: Isn't it amazing when you finally run into the real Tyr and find out Odin's version was 90% accurate? 😂😂Odin was like, "Screw this, I don't have time to learn Tai Chi."
If u think this is good u should see the one from cooking withkratos
especially after seeing groa's prophecy
@@glitchofwarOdin is Mimir theory lmfaoo😂 If he is disguised as mimir he literally called himself the All F**ker
@@glitchofwarOdin lives through Huginn makes sense but as Mimir nah. Aint no way he be shootin bifrost out of his eyes
@@glitchofwar to each their own
Cool theory, i know GoW strays and takes alot of liberties with the source material but in the Norse myth, Hugin and Munin are an extension of Odin himself, Also Hugnin means thoughts while Munin means memory. Instead of a duplicate, Odin could have split his mind into 2, with his memories stored in Munin while his thoughts stored in Hugnin. It would be cool to have an amnesia but smart Odin comeback, he still has the thirst for knowledge but none of the memory of who he was and Atreus next arc is trying to redeem him and make him be better. It kinda ties with the theme of can a monsters become good person.
Dude this is a seriously cool take
Andvari the gigachad simply puts his soul into a ring and prevent death, sort of.
Muninn got his neck snapped by Freya in Asgard, that means Odin has no memory. Only thoughts of eating corpses and bugs as a bird😂
@@ArmoredG no, his thoughts of what he wants to do and basically his overall mindset
@@Lord_Ivoundy_Creood whatever. odin is so fked up tho. No more aesir, nothing is on his side and now he's just a bird having no way to restore his body because it probably vaporized by surtr's flaming sword
That is exactly what I thought after finishing the game for the first time. Why else would they specifically point out that Huginn is still alive
My thought is that Huginn is not a part of Odin. Could Huginn be a future ally or helpful friend? If the ravens' minds were erased, and they were experimented on, and Odin made them do his bidding, could the Raven's have become awakened somehow? Muninn remained loyal to the Allfather but Huginn developed a dislike towards him and wasn't completely onboard with what Odin was making him do. Now that Odin is dead, he no longer has a magical control over Huginn who is now free.
The green ravens were all grateful to be realised from Odin, maybe he’s the same.
Honestly think people just look too deep, but I suppose any potential dlc will shed light on the subject.