Is Thor Still Alive? God of War Ragnarök Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, I will be exploring the idea of Thor possibly going to the most mysterious location in the God of War Universe, the Higher Plane of Existence.
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There are 2 more possibilities
1. He didn't die and just teleported away to save himself. Its kinda hinted that he can teleport when he does a Batman and suprises Odin by appearing behind him in the scene before the Muspelheim mission.
2. The devs didn't want his body hanging around during the boss fight.
Good theory
No way, Thrud was right there. There’s no way thor would just teleport away when he got stabbed, Thrud was there and in danger, I don’t think he would leave simply because of Thrud.
Yeah but Thor isn't really a character to teleport himself out of harm's way
He needs the hammer to do that
@@KaptainKuba he also knew what his father was like, so there's no way he didn't sacrifice himself. Unless he thought his father of the year was going to be fine with him quitting
Honestly wild to imagine Athena and Thor returning via the Higher Plane
Especially when you consider what they could do together…
Yesss I could see that happening in the next game
imagine a wise goddess who talks in a sophisticated way and uses big words
and a big, drunk thunder god who includes a swear in every sentence
@@Zoxxies Thor would be wanting to repay Kratos though no? He, while violently, helped him stand up to his Dad for a split second and sobered him up mentally for the sake of his daughter, so he'd probably want to beat the hell outta of Athena
@@BobBob-tr7wi makes no sense
Wow Kuba’s first god of war Ragnarok theory, this can go down in the history books
Alright calm down 😂
@@KaptainKuba Never! 😂😂
Game story is crap maybe that's why lol
@@kaskovic1993 nah it’s not bad it’s just wierd how it cover so many diff peoples story at once
@@kaskovic1993 what? This is MY GOTY, and many other peoples, you may think it’s bad but the majority don’t.
9:25 you do not watch long enough. If you keep watching and look at the Hammer when Odin grabs it, those blue flakes are still around. I believe Giant magic put him in the Hammer. Remember how Thor puts mead on Mjölnir in the beginning of the game ? I think it is an extension of the Thunder God
My theory is he actually went into Mjölnir when he died. The games have a theme of spirits being in weapons. We see his body diminish like Fenrirs unlike Baldur,Magni and Heimdell. We see many clues of the weapon “being alive” and Thrud also says “I’ll make you proud dad” before taking the hammer and flying off. What if this is them telling us that Thor is in the hammer and will help Thrud in her journey as a Shield Maiden.
Ps. Would love some “DLC Theory” videos lol
Faye is in the axe so that makes sense
@@johndodo2062 What? Faye is not in the axe. Faye is in the light of alfheim. Which is why Kratos heard her in there, so did Atreus. Where did you get the idea of Faye being in the axe? lol.
@@temrenalican4570 yeah good point. I wonder why Thrud was in Alfheim when she claimed the hammer too ! Maybe 3 parts of Thors soul when into the Light and the last part went into the hammer.
@@temrenalican4570 Probably from Kuba's video that Faye's Spirit is in the axe lol
The difference is, that there was a giant that made the sould of fenrir go into the knife. There was no one who put thors sould into mjolnir or anything
7:39 Still, to this day, this scene is that well made that I can't figure it out what Athena truly meant by "Forgive me .. brother." On one hand, she may be referring to Kratos as "brother", so she showed empathy for Kratos' misery. On the other hand, that "brother" could mean Ares, so she is truly sorry for the fact that she stopped Ares from killing Kratos on the day Deimos was kidnapped. Also she may be sorry for aiding Kratos in killing Ares, because it seems Kratos is worse than Ares. The first time I heard this line, Ares came to my mind. For me, the "brother" being Ares just made much more sense in that context.
Nice Thought, I always thought she was referring to kratos as brother and showing empathy for him. That brother could be for ares aswell but I also doubt she had any love for ares, tho Athena never hated Ares or wanted him dead(Until Ares attacked Athens in GoW1) but Ares always tried to defame her sister and didn't like her as Athena was Zeus' favourite child. But when ares became a nuisance to olympus and attacked her city, she tasked kratos to get rid of Ares.
So I don't know who she was referring to.. can be either, i incline more on kratos just because the devs might be using that dialogue to indicate that Athena is Kratos' sister..
Now that u have thought about it being ares, even if game devs didn't intend it to ares initially they might change it and tell that in an interview lol, not eve kidding 😂
@@HitmanHimself I don't think Athena has any love for Ares too, she is "sorry" like "what Have I done? what have I made? A monster even worse than Ares was." It's about the better of 2 evils, "the lesser evil". Anyways, your point about devs showing that Athena is Kratos' sister and everything, I agree too. And the devs wont confirm or deny either of these situation for sure 😅, that is the beauty of the situation.
Kratos just like ares and Athena is the child of Zeus which make them half siblings
OR Athena is secretly Mimir in disguise
she probably meant it refering to kratos since... he is literally her brother. they are both zeus's children after all.
I would love to see Thor again, i lowkey felt like he was underused in Ragnarok
Me too Ryan Hurst killed the role and he could have been out ally and friends 2 dad being bros
@@comadoof184 mannn I love that idea! That would be great!
@@LoneWolfe_XX indeed but no Odin had to ruin the moment
Low-key, huh? 🤡
agreed. he was barely in the game and his redemption arc didn't work
BOY he better be alive. ngl i would love a thor spin off series cause he was amazing in this game. the voice actor really took it to another level
One mortal Kombat appearance for Thor, makes sense beyond omni man and homelander.
@@FoxUnitNell fellow Thor for MK1 enjoyer 🤝
@@nathanial8587 right Raiden being a different god of thunder would make cool interaction between their meeting and fight then afterwards throwing down some mead.
@@FoxUnitNell
"That little thing can produce lightning? That's a very funny idea."
"Yeah it does, and you'll see it up close and personal, right in your face."
@@nathanial8587 lol
Thor is now one of my favorite characters in the GOW franchise. If Santa Monica made a DLC for Thor's return, I'd buy it in a heart beat. He and Kratos could've been the perfect dad-bros; Once destroyers, now rebuilders.
Something interesting to note is that all the gods with a confirmed tie to the "Higher Plane" (Toth, Athena & Odin) are Gods of Wisdom, we also know there's something in there that "whisper's secrets", and we also know from interviews that it has a corrupting force. _What if it's actually a prison for an evil being trying to use intelligent deities to try and get out?_
I really like Thor so I hope he is in the higher plane
It would be cool to see Thor pop up in Kratos and Atreus conscious how Athena used to with kratos
Kuba, do you think sindri will be able to forgive kratos and atreus? Will he be the vehicle by which the Norse saga ends, maybe involving something from the spark of the world? Sindri is incredibly talented and rightfully pissed at us for the death of brok. It makes me think he might be able to send us away for good and, in his eyes, get revenge.
This could also work narratively if he separates us from atreus by making vengeance the reason for us 'losing' another child. It could be a way to force kratos into thinking about a bigger picture and thus lead into the higher plane of existence potentially. It could even force him to lash out again and bring back some of that old kratos rage in order to try and get back to midgard.
It would be cool if the higher plane would transcend time and Space, so that Thor could have been the one talking to Odin through the rift and ripping his eye out as revenge
He’s gonna come in at the last second like “miss me” and he’s gonna be our new lean mean ginger machine
I think Thor disintegrated as a result of Gungnir being a bifrost based weapon, getting bifrost on you in combat can potentially cause a large chunk of your health to be destroyed, and we never see the effects of bifrost in any other cutscene, so it may be that it’s supposed to dematerialize things, but they nerfed it in combat sections so the player wouldn’t just be killed in one hit by it.
Thor was just defeated by Kratos, he was already almost dead so it probaby wasn't going to take much to finish him
Defying your own nature for the greater good seems like a more worthy requirement to me. Something a rare few were capable of.
I couldnt comment on your gmgow part 2 stream but just wanted to say pls dont stop streaming. I really enjoy your streams
Let's goooo, first of many many lore videos i hope!
That felt like the sickest opening I don't know why but it just felt like it wasn't just any opening but THE opening 👌
If that's the case, Then Freyr might have also ascended to the higher plane of existence coz Freyr also did a selfless act of protecting his sister and company and the realms. Ofcourse we didn't see him dying but wild assumption 🤷
Lol Athena again!
Seriously tho i thought Thor was going to be resurrected in some way as the way he dissolved (died) reminded me of Atreus’ capturing of souls, the blue stuff.
Kubaaaa back at it🔥🔥🔥
Game Dev said Thor body was on battleground between Kratos/Odin and they needed it out the way
I thought Mimir said something about Brok couldn’t be brought back because he’s missing a part of his soul. If Thor has all parts of his soul, theoretically he can be brought back.
Maybe the spear has a spell on it to make him dissolve? Because freya, when teleport back to midguard, has the same type of spell look to it. Just looks like the same to me. Love your videos man!!
Hey Kuba i have a theory: First of all LOVE FROM INDIA... Secondly Like in the next time it's gonna be Atreus/Loki game where he might go to Egypt through his journey for knowledge and all or something like that but cause he's Loki God Of Mischief he might make some Gods of Egypt angry by tricking them by his magic for some knowledge or something and cause he's no KRATOS that he can defeat 2 whole patheon on his own he than gonna tell KRATOS through someone else that he (Atreus/Loki) is dead or something like that to trick KRATOS to help him as soon as possible but instead KRATOS goes BERSERK and return back to his old form and defeating an another pantheon... But then Atreus will realise that he messed with the wrong person and real bad too and then maybe THOR or ATHENA from Higher Plane Of Existence will enter something like that... still just a fan story nothing more - THE END(Part-1)
bruh i know many indians comes to watch but really ;-; i mean ah nvm (love from mumbai hehehhehe)
1. i think thor might not go to higher existent cause he blindly killed many giants and people etc by order of fUCkin allfather
2. at first i thought nope atreus cant fool egypt gods but than i remember my boy fooled everyone is asgard so who knows man wtf is going on devs mind
@@Danish_8876_ yeah whatever man just a silly/fun theory I wanted to share
@@parthbhadauria8664 same tho
I personally believe that Atreus will have his own game and have a theory that it may be called "God of Mischief" or "Champion of The Jötnar" And I always thought that Mjölnir was gonna be Atreus' weapon so even though this is the last God of War game in the Norse pantheon does not mean it is the end of Atreus' story in the Norse pantheon therefore Thor may return there.
Atreus is not strong enough to wield mjolnir, huge strength is not part of his godly powers
Well, since your theories didnt come true in Ragnarok, and that the majority of this video is based on wild speculation, I think its safe to say that this will never happen. But if it does, i'll be sure to come back and say YOU TOLD ME SO 😁
The minute Odin said to Thor “What are you doing?, pick up that hammer and kill whoever I tell you to kill!”, I realised that Odin made Thor the giant killing monster that he became. Thor would’ve had a better life if Odin didn’t command him to kill whoever he wanted.
When kratos killed heimdall he became the one thing he swore he never be again
A monster
I think the 2 frozen lightning bolts are linked to Thor's essence being stored until a vessel is found, OR what if his soul went into his hammer and Artreus will revive him in the future creating an even stronger bond between them.
I would love to see more of this version of Thor,but he’s dead,hopefully they make a prequel game about Thor
He's gone.
Santa Monica intends to go to a new mythology. It's already questionable how Sindri and Freya will play out in future games. If they're going to transition into say, Egypt; then there are some elements from the last two games they need to leave behind. Thor will be one of them.
After hearing your theory I’m really not surprised, Cory did say he had 5 to 6 games mapped out so your theory doesn’t sound far fetched at all.
Thor is part giant which leads me to believe he has a marble with his name on it and that’s where his soul went
And in the last shrine look behind kratos gold figure and you see a big blue person which only leads me to believe it’s thor
I have a theory about the higher existence.Maybe the place is in Mythos.Maybe we will see Kratos vs Cthulhu one day.Remeber they are cosmic gods."The highest existence"
Bro they better bring him back I felt like they stole our kill there at the end. I need more thor fights. Who else can go 1v1 vs kratos and walk away
I think your on to something since they clearly plan to do more with this universe and other mythology’s. They all need a way to connect in the end with some big plot and I think the higher plane of existence would make most since since it’s pretty much cannon
Thank you! I don’t have telegram though
Back with a bang
That was my thoughts too i totally agree
Currently watching while I "work" rn 😂 I couldn't help myself!
I don't think Thor did enough to redeem himself. Comparing his death with Athena's, Athena made a considerable effort to protect Zeus, going so far as to sacrifice herself. Thor on the other hand, had only refused Odin which is not so much an action but an inaction.
As for the "rules" of ascending into higher plane, I think it has to do with whether or not a God has been good throughout their life until they died or redeemed themselves in their final act of selflessness. Athena obviously sacrificed herself, so she ascended. As for Thoth, he's mostly known for keeping balance between the gods, like when Ra and Apep we're fighting over the sun. Even specifically helping Isis resurrect Set, so I believe Thoth was able to ascend due to being a good God
I guess you can add Freyr to the Higher Plane as well. He saved everyone.
Thor as a teammate would be dope.
You gonna continue gmgow playthrough?
So at the end of the giant's mural. That other side of the board was kratos story and each board represents past, present and future. The past board pretty much confirmed kratos travelled to Norse by sea as you see kratos on a boat. And if they continue this path of higher existence for the future games, what if there might be chance kratos might go to this higher existence and possibly become the god he can be loved and worthy of worship. Thoughts??
Kratos traveling by boat was him leaving Greece, Fallen God shown that happening, Skol, Hati & Gram we’re the ones who brought him to Midgard
@@jetsetdrift ah, I never actually read the fallen god comic!
I can’t wait for you to react for this
Theory video , when the next game come out
Crazy theory just frustrating that we won’t get the full proper answer until god knows when , the body thing was probably the most convincing
i was worried that after game can we get the theories but here we are its not gonna be stop
Maybe the Higher plane of existence is a recruitment place made by a super mega boss god that recruits gods to destroy all other pantheons so the new unified pantheon takes control over the world. The question that arises is why not the main gods In control of pantheons. The most powerful ones would be too greedy and want all the power to themselves. The next best thing is worthy servants of those gods. The super mega boss god would convince the servants that it was all Kratos’ fault for their deaths. Kratos might be one of the few that could rival that power with an army of his own filled with gods and that would make him a target. Kratos went from mortal to god god killer.
If this isn’t the case, they could easily retcon it to be the case, and have Thor appear in a. Future game!!
I think it’s any act that is truly selfless that gets you in the higher existence
It sucked how he died. I wanted to see more of him so bad
I feel like its not more just sacrifice overall but more like redeeming yourself. when thor stood up against odin i believe that was his redemption. like kratos said to him before he died "for the sake of our children" and that's what thor cared for the most -well, with Thrud anyway- but i believe its through redemption and overcoming what ever "evil", "darkness", or "corruption" has kept you bound. again it's just my theory on things so please don't shit on me for it. i know theres plenty of die hard fans out there who'd love to. anyways i would like to see thor again.
I love Thor Ryan Hurst did a great job he is a freaking beast
I have a concern , when kratos fights with hades ,where did he captured his soul ( hades soul ) in hades claws or in kratos him self , if kratos captured hades soul himself than atres can free the soul of hades and can revive him 🤔🤔 What do you think about this story??
That makes me think that the higher plane of existence is actually a place where worthy people who don't have an afterlife to go to can go. So we could possibly find Brok there at some point if it isn't restricted to only Gods.
Yea but Brock soul wasn't fully intact so he can't go to any afterlife. Unless they rectcon it
It’s impossible, Brok is gone, like- Gone Gone. Theres no afterlife theres nothing for him after death
It's beautiful Cory had us asking ourselves if Thor is worthy. 😭
Could someone explain this please? When Odin killed Brok and Thor, something blue lit up on his arms, what is it? Power? Soul? Ability to transform into them? Or is this representative for the fact that Odin is a killer, since he killed Ymir.
I would’ve loved to see modie join our side
Kap pls pls pls make a vid about Zeus vs Odin
Do you think freyr went to the higher plane of existence after he sacrificed himself to give the others time to escape from asgard.
Completely agree with your thoughts and opinions on Thor, have mixed feelings but still loved Ryan hurst.
Ah shit here we go again…
THOR: (Literally disintegrates in front of our eyes)
Theories: Is ThOr sTiLl AliVe?¡”
😂😂😂 man literally disintegrated in front of our eyes!!
Does kratos still have the wings of icarus?
I love how Odin kills Thor with no hesitation. Just straights up stabs him after he says no.
Should of been a trilogy they definitely had to rush some stuff still unanswered questions but maybe a Loki spin off will answer them just hope we get kratos in another mythology
I think it’s more likely that Thor’s strange death had to do with the fact that he’s half giant, just like Atreus.
Hey I wanted to let you know about a eater egg I found . In the last thor fight when kratos throws thor onto the roof you can hear the old voice actor for kratos grunt. Very cool Easter egg! Check it out!
Now it's sad were gonna wait another 4 years for another gow
They're probably already working on the other one
They we’re also gods for the people. I believe the main connection to the game have been there loyalty to humanity and for gods themselves (I.E sacrifice) now in thoths case specific he was responsible for adding 365 days to the year so Osiris and the other four Egypt gods could be born. He made a bargain with the moon god and was given some light …..so yeah I believe your right. I think it’s there place of “passing “
I can’t be the only one who wanted Kratos to 360 decapitate Odin as he was stabbing Thor
Hey kap do you think the rift that's odin is so obsessed about is the higher plane of existence?
Why no one's talking about Odin's spear/staff? It could be magical property of it that deletes people
i don’t want thor to be gone man, the similarity him and kratos had where they were both destroyers in there worlds but changed for the sake of there family is a good story to me i hate how thor was killed off as soon as he decided to change his ways
song name ? cant seem to find it
What about Baldur I thought that he will return in ragna
I hope in the next game we can bring the Thor and freya’s brother
I also noticed the way he died. Both Magni and Baldur died, and even Heimdall, their bodies were left there. But Thor fading away immediately reminded me of the Higher Plains of Existence. I wanna believe that the good gods that died and ascended become something equal to archangels.
What about all the other Gods of the Greek pantheon who’s bodies when *Poof* like Aries and all the ones killed in GOW 3??? Just something to add to the theory lol
@@Phoenix-so1el Ares body didnt go poof. It is buried in his chamber - u can see it under the ice/glass.
@@Dan-cg8zl True but in the first GOW he turned into a god damn nuclear bomb that’s a lil more than *poof*
@@Phoenix-so1el Yea I agree that is kind of weird, most of the bodies of the Greek Gods did disappear, ares blew up but somehow his body is in GOW 3 ??
@@Phoenix-so1el GOW was meant to end there. There was no plan for future games, that's why they just made it like that to make it more dramatic
This also reminds me that Huginn survived in the end , and Odin kinda had knowledge of vanir magic (as Freya once mentioned i think ) , at this point Huginn might be Odin 🗿 who knows 🗿🗿
Exactly how Huginn survived Ragnarok?
@@Stonecoldegenerate probably escaped through angrboda's portal
Yeah I noticed that too
@@KaptainKuba also do you think that the rift that Odin wants to open might actually be a portal to the higher plain of existence?
@@Huda88754 Freya snaps one of the ravens neck, but atreus only shoots the other in the wing.
I can’t believe the higher plain was never mentioned in either game.
SMS is just teasing it at the moment
@@KaptainKuba where is Boulder body bruh? Any 411
@@KaptainKuba THEY’VE BEEN TEASING IT FOR TOO LONG KUBA!
@@KaptainKuba is your real name kuba ??? i am curious hehe
@@KaptainKuba wouldn't it be ssm
Really wish we got a mid game fight with Thor
Felt like it was going to happen when Thor told Atreus in Muspelheim he still had to pay his blood debt
It is incredible how Kratos went from being merciless to being compassionate and able to find the heart in a heartless man who is Thor.
I Didn't Want Thor To Die, I Liked Him A Lot In The Game.
I Too Hope That He Is Still Alive Somehow.
This theory has me thinking of Freyr's death. He also sacrificed himself to save others. But at the same time, we didn't see a body or even what happened after the others left so I guess he could still be alive.
He got burned to ashes or exploded. I’m going for the fact that he exploded.
Vanir gods have their own afterlife they go too aside from Valhalla, it's possible that's where he went after death.
He dead bro, asgard was destroyed and so was he
@@notane.real1 He's chilling somewhere with Elvis and Tupac.
He had his sword, it should not be ruled out. Maybe the explosion threw him to the other side of the world, similar to the man in black of Stephen King's "The Stand".
Did y’all like the 2nd battle with Thor? Sure it had some cool cutscenes but it was still just fought in the same circle. I thought baldur’s fight was amazing because we went flying everywhere and even climbed a giant, there were multiple areas we were fighting in.
In my opinion we should’ve been climbing and jumping around the world serpent for the final battle.
If grandma had a goober she'd be grandpa
I have the same opinion, it was underwhelming. The first Axe/Hammer hit split open the lake. In the second fight Thor jumps from the lodge with full strength at Kratos, the weapons collide but not much happens. And moments before he sent the snake back in time. No consistency
yeah i felt the same, i loved the game but it was such a weak fight for one of the final matchups, and fighting THOR of all people, a very angry thor at that
Probably not enough funds for that fight tbh XD
Its a ps4 game…
Considering this higher existence place seems to span all of the worlds, makes me think that it doesnt necessarily matter which pantheon a god is dying or even the requirements, are limited to that plane of existence. I think you're theory is very strong and pretty well backed with the little info we do have.
I really want Thor to be still alive whether he’s in the higher plane of existence or teleported elsewhere. I could never hate him. It’s clear that Thor has been manipulated by Odin to not think and to just destroy. He’s broken like many of Odin’s children and followers. I wanted to see Thor just beat the living crap out of Odin.
Note: we can find Thrud with Mjolnir in Alfheim.
The reason I love Thor so much is because I think that the way we see him in GOWR is similar to how Kratos probably was when he first met Faye and had Atreus. The conversation you listen in on at 3:46 seems like good evidence for this. And like Kratos, he did ultimately choose a better path when he had the right guidance.
I hope it ends the same way as it did with Faye with Thor as a friend from the higher plane
I would eally enjoy a god of war with thor as the main character. Possibly telling his story of rage when killing the giants.
I hope thor returns in some form or another
Thor is one of the best characters I have ever seen in a game .. Ryan Hurst did a great job .. I hope we could see him in future games more often
And Odin is a wisdom God as well 🤯 They can definitely go somewhere with this 🔥
Thor may be that giant blue figure in the background of that final mural panel... It could be him in ethereal form like Athena
I would have loved to see a Kratos Thor team up. Also hope Freya and Mimir will continue to follow Kratos to the next God of war instalment as Battle companions. 🤔 perhaps even have Freya’s two daughters in the meantime. 💕 Gersemi and Hnoss
I think santa monica doesn't care about the higher plane of existenz anymore. They changed their storytelling to a more simple upfront maybe fairytale like narrative. But I understand you wish to learn more about this
Not sure. But I’d like to see a twist on the next game. It would be cool to see Kratos on the defensive end to fight off another pantheon invading the Norse lands after Ragnarok. Could tie up some loose ends and be a unique twist in how these games usually play out. In that scenario I would like the Celtic gods to invade. Maybe this could be where Thor is brought back.
Why would other cultures gods invade?
Maybe now that Kratos' forever home is in the norse lands the next game could be us travelling to another mythology to save the norse lands and then coming back
Thanks for the shoutout Kuba! I do want to address the topic of whether or not you consider Thor's sacrifice a "selfless sacrifice" - here's an answer you can get behind:
"Its a fair argument to say it wasn't really a sacrifice. It wasn't as straightforward as Athena's. But after his fight with Kratos, Kratos tells him, we must be better, for the sake of our children. In the end when he stands up against Odin, his change of heart, he died for Thrud & Sif, to be better, for the sake of his children. Remember what Brok said, it's not the "form" of a thing that matters, but the "nature" of a thing. His form was that of a Destroyer, but his nature, a man seeking forgiveness. (Its not the outside that matters, but whats on the inside) I think in the end, he changed his nature and it wasn't for him, but for his family. That's just the way I saw it anyways. The way he died and what happens to him was convincing enough for me."
Considering he was repented of his actions at the end and his Jotun heritage
Maybe he isn't directly in the Higher plane, but his soul has been saved by his Hammer
Mjolnir saved him, as he actually likes him, and protects him during the first battle and even during the Bar Fight against Ingrid
Maybe Mjolnir is actually Thor at the end
Cory said that gods who enter the higher plane are the ones who make selfless acts, which would be thor standing up to odin for his family and to protect them in which case he sacrficed himself for a reason other then himself. (my interpretation)