I work at a BMW dealer in the service dept. and I’ve only had one owner slip their timing gear, and that was caused by money shifting. Very solid engine for the abuse I’ve seen it take, even for 600+ whp vehicles
Tommy L Garage commonly on the driver side bolster since it pokes out a good amount and it’s grazed going in and out of the car, but overall, one of the least problematic M cars to come thru tbh, steering wheel’s leather sometimes can feel like it gets sticky or coming apart after a lot of use or if you live in a very hot/humid climate
GT Mike91 Not very much at all mechanical wise! Pretty solid M cars like I said, charge pipes have a tendency of cracking, turbos are rarely an issue, keep up with oil changes and routine maintenance and you’ll be good tbh
I have a 2016 , 3 years of ownership , 6sp also , I drive the piss out of it and 0 problems , I love this car and look , and how raw it is , and yes , you always look back :)
HosBoba agreed I just bagged a 2017 m4 comp towards the beginning of the summer, and Im already head over heals for it. Ive been an m-fanboy since I was 16 and the car is better than I could have ever dreamed. Some of the greatest acceleration and pull on both the highway and street, its completely turned my gf who didnt even like cars into a bmw fan, and its the perfect car to wip to dinner as well. I drive the shit out of it but I dont worry cus its still under warranty. So far no issues, and its been a monster on the road. and you are correct, I always look back ;P. Love your wip Tommy L
HosBoba It’s funny when Bimmer owners be like: 3 yEaRs, 30K mILeS, nO pRoBLeMs. Dude, that’s barely breaking in. Come back and lmk when you hit 80k miles without any headaches. Cuz we all know that shit is impossible lmao.
Also, the crank hub issues seems to be specifically for DCT transmission cars and there are some talks on various forums that it's related to violent kick-downs and vibrations that spin the crank hub loose. +1 for keeping the manual dream alive!
Robert Lunatic lol manual requires no maintenance what so ever. Race car feel with a dct lol. I’d have a dct over a standard auto but not over a manual in a sports car.
@Robert Lunatic look man it depends on the driver and preference. I had a manual car and actually perfected shifting for normal driving and doing pulls. It doesn’t matter (for me that is) to have this in either manual or auto because I can shift just as fast. You might call bs but I’ll give you the rundown on how I do so. When you’re driving in your manual car and already know the biting point quite well, when u go into the next gear quickly release the clutch right before the biting point and as soon as you stop there, give a little bit of gas but like less than 20kpah of force to the pedal and as you do so slowly release to the biting point and then fully release. The amount of force you put on the gas pedal for example if your driving your car and you have the throttle open but the car is still slowing down, that’s how little force you have to use. When you do all these things, (I do recommend a short shifter btw) you’ll be able to shift between .01-.03 seconds without feeling any force back from shifting into the next gear like most amateur drivers. This technique can only be done if you have good control of the clutch to the point where you become the synchros. The only car that seems to not be able to respond well to this would probably have to be a 350z, although he probably didn’t recall his transmission like most people did.
I bought my 2017 M3 used and have had no major issues. Had to have my navigation and radio display replaced do to a bad board, but that is it. The previous owner babied the car, as do I. Happy with my decision.
Finally had the opportunity to buy the f80 with a manual transmission back in March!! My first mod was the awesome mud flaps that picked them up from you. Love the content keep it up!
Love the look-back comment. Classic! The measure of a great car is the look-back factor. I was going to buy an F80 M3/4 a year ago, but I unfortunately, I had to buy a pickup-truck as a tow vehicle and home improvement hauler instead. I still have my 2007 350z that I bought new and tastefully modded. I still look back at that 12 year old car as well.
One other component that has seen some failures recently has been the top mount heat exchanger - some have been developing internal leaks and draining all of the coolant into the engine in the extreme cases. Unlike the crank hub issue, which has been most likely blown out of proportion a bit due to the forums (and the dealers don't appear to be very familiar with it), dealers have been seeing some failed top mount heat exchangers. Exactly how widespread the issue is actually is difficult to tell of course. Also, there does not seem to be a specific pattern for those cars that are affected (i.e. model year, tuned vs stock, etc). But it is something to look out for (by checking the expansion tank level) or asking the previous owner/dealer if it has been replaced. I wouldn't let this potential issue discourage anyone from buying the car though (it does not appear to be a rampant issue by any means), just something else to be aware of. FWIW, my car is a MY17 (Comp Pack), almost 3 years old with 41k miles on the clock and I have not seen any issues with my top mount heat exchanger (but I also check my expansion tank level regularly now since I became aware of this potential issue).
I'd like to add that my 2016 expansion tank had a small weeping/leak at the seams. I would notice a small amount of coolant residue spitting when hot. My dealer replaced it under warranty and mentioned that they have seen a few others do this and it's fairly simple to replace if you happen to pick one up out of warranty. Other than that, I've had zero issues.
I got my 2018 Yas Marina Blue manual a couple of years ago and and am still absolutely in love with this machine. Had to special order it to get the options I wanted, i.e. manual and the 19 inch wheels. This car is a work of art.
The best review for a used car. You told me exactly almost everything I need to know that will help me in buying a used m3/m4 which I am actually considering. I loved how you compared each year model so finally people can know the minor differences and changes that BMW does. Hope to see more reviews from you on used cars. I am stuch between a C43 AMG 2017 or M4 2016, but I’ve always been an M fan.
Having owned an M4 for 5 years now, I've learned a lot about the car and enjoy every minute of it. It's a garage queen with only 30k miles on it. I know how I take care of this car and how much I've put into it. I treat it kindly and have have little need to beat it up. If someone can find a car like mine then they would be at least 40k ahead of the game. Trouble is you rarely know the true history of a car. If the car has been beat, then there could be big repair bills awaiting. I've always treated my cars well but this one I am truly in love with. I think my wife is getting suspicious.
Damn I miss my M4, I use to look back all the time too lol..I had ran into some financial probs and end up returning it. It was new then but I realize a used one is at a decent price now and definitely worth rebuying.. it’s special and intimate💫thanx for the motivation, I’m considering getting it again now that I’m back up.. nothing else really gives me that feel.. maybe the cls63 but there’s just something about that M4/M3. Dope vid 💫
I would like to see more videos from you. You are quite and interesting person to listen and to watch. Very concise and to the point videos.Great stuff brother
What perfect timing in finding this video. I'm looking at getting a used M3 but, very weary about what the previous owner did and didn't know what to inspect when looking at one at the dealership. Thank you for this video it will help me a lot. Keep up the awesome videos. 😊👍👍
A year ago I picked up a 2015 m4. I was debating a 2016 competition m4 but since I knew I was gonna mod the car I went with the cheaper 2015 and used the extra money I saved for parts. Didn't care for the 666 wheels or the competition exhaust since I always go aftermarket rims and exhaust. I went with a vrsf dp into an aa midpipe into a remus axleback. In my opinion it sounds the best, and for sure louder than the competition or m performance one. For extra hp, I'm on bootmod3 stage 2, haven't dyno the car yet but should be at least 500 whp with my current setup. To go stage 2 doesn't cost much, Bootmod3 ($600), vrsf dp (500), burger charge pipes (500), and bmc filter replacement (175), totaling around $1750. There are also other cheaper options, but this is what I went with. Then add in whatever exhaust you want, i went aa midpipe (1100) into remus axleback (2700), it did cost me a lot but there are so many other options. Burbles can also be added with bootmod3. So total I spent 5500 to get to 500 whp and make it sound amazing. What I'm getting at is, if you want to keep the car stock and be covered under warrenty for sure go with a competition m4. But if youre like me and want to get a bit more wild with mods, then just get a base m4 and use the extra cash on parts like I did. I agree with Tommy that the crank hub stuff is a bit overblown, but it does concern me since I did tune the car. Hope this helps some people decide!
I also have tuned my 2015 F80 M3 and think for the value the F80 platform is amazing. So far, I have an Active AutoWerke stage 2 tune with VRSF catless DP and custom exhaust setup and love it. Not my daily drivers so I put it on a set of H&R race springs and like the aggressive stance. Also concerned about the crank hub issue but doing the Gintani or Vargas solution when I go to the Pure Turbos. Until then, I am rolling the dice I guess. Great video Tommy as always.
As a F80 owner (manual) with stage 2 e85 tune (575whp) I can attest my car has been bulletproof. Currently has 45k miles and rips like day 1. Crank hub issues have a lot to do with over-revving or missed gears; the hub slips since it’s not keyed and you get a drivetrain malfunction because of the deviation of the crank and timing errors. In some instances your valves can touch your piston but that is rare. If I was upgrading to Pure Turbos I’d get the crank hub upgraded.
Lots of great info, thanks Tommy, after doing some research this crank hub issue is really pushing me away from F80 M3/M4 market, even as a DIYer I don’t think I would be able to tackle issue like that, I hope aftermarket and reliable independent shops will find a solution. Especially because it’s hard to resist upgrading that platform ( tune, exhaust, air charging etc. )
Don’t shy away from this platform. They’re great cars even in the stock form. If I didn’t have to delete cold start due to me leaving early in the AM every day I’d keep the engine stock. I’m still running a semi-stock CS tune. Having said that, I would also enjoy a 911 quite a lot!
Bought an 150k sticker 2014 m6 gran coupe with every option possible for only 55k. It had one owner and only 30k miles. Even had a dinan tuner and built in radar detector. I’ve had it for over a year now and not one problem with it.
Had mine 3 years from new. Never missed a beat. Looked for new car but couldn’t find anything that even came close. I’ve had RS4’s 911’s and gti’s . In the end I extended my warranty. The best solution for me is to keep her long term and upgrade my wife’s car so I will have the best of both worlds
Thanks for making this vid and I can't wait to get one of my own. Ice been doing a ton of research and I'm in most of the forum groups. I agree with what you said about sch. I firmly believe it comes down to how the owners use the cars. If you actually drive them (tracking, auto-x, backroads, daily spirited driving lol) as BMW intended then you'll be fine.
@@TommyLGarage especially when most dealers don't even know of the issue Haha. That alone makes you say hmmm. Love your vids man and the car looks amazing. Thanks for commenting!
Because BMW = Break My Wallet. Honestly I'd rather get a Lexus RC-F and have a N/A V8 than this even if it's slower. Being faster doesn't mean crap to me when you spend over 40% of your ownership with your car in the shop or are doing DIY shit.
@@gtmike916 46k on my modified F80. Zero issues. Look at Savageese's video on the RCF, play close attention to the portion where they review the car on the lift.
@TwinGunsLLP I was talking about ///M in general, they all are great cars it just seems that they all have some type of issue that will cause the engine to blow lol
They are great looking cars I do like them. I wouldn't get one unless I can afford to get one and keep my E92 M3.. Can't let her go, the V8 is addicting. The M4 drivers always drool when run Into them. 2011 frozen black edition
I have a 2011 M3 also, manual, comp., carbon roof, white. I DIY service it and warm it up meticulously but haven't had long enough to comment on reliability (1.5 yr.s 6k miles, not a daily for me), nothing to do except replace rear tires, lol.
Soorma530 that’s awesome. It almost seems like the M3/4 is more reliable than the regular 3 series it’s based on. But I’m not sure if it appears that way because there are less M cars on the road; less data on them, or if it’s because an M owner is likely to be more responsible with their vehicle.
Love my M4 - 6 speed transmission AY F82 - I watched this video prior to buying , some good information and I made my own list of requirements. I look back everytime I walk away!
Another thing you could mention is that when the brake calipers turned green-black, the car has been tracked heavily. Without a doubt the M3/4 can handle the trackdays, but it's a way to know if a M3/4 has been tracked regularly. Some people may not like that fact.
Thanks for sharing videos like these, an F80 M3 is my dream car, especially with that crazy color. Everytime you upload a new video my desire for an F80 just gets bigger
I saw this car at a dealership the other day and fell in love instantly with the color which is exactly like this one, and now I want to get it so badly! 😭
All good information. I’m only stage 1 bm3, and I actually had the dealer install the VTT CBC. They had no problem installing it! The tech actually said that is one of the best things you can do if tuned. Thanks for always providing excellent content for our cars!
I’ve been looking for videos like this. This has to be the best by far. I went into your channel and found so much great F80 M3 content and related car content. I have watched so many videos and subscribed. It’s been great. I’ve learnt so much about the car from watching all your videos.
I love my ///M3, really no complaints here with 50+K miles in almost 4 years, multiple track days in Germany and Spain! Only thing I’ll need to change soon is a worn out suspension part from all that Nurburgring driving. I’ve had two friends blow their motors because of the crank hub issue, one highly modified, the other one stock and less than 10K miles. Definitely a good overall car considering all the samples out there.
Great points. I’ve had mine for some time now and it is light years beyond my older M cars. No plans to modify it. It wasn’t supposed be a daily but I just can’t stay out of it. It’s a base model with manual & I absolutely love every moment with the car. Withing a a couple months of ownership I had already accumulated about 10k miles and a few oil changes and basic preventive services. What an awesome car these seem to be.
Bought one (2015 M4) 4 years ago and most reliable BMW I ever owned. Never been at dealer and never did anything but oil change. Owned 335i N54 , 2009 328i (325i), 2014 328i and 1992 325i and all had several issues. N54 and 2009 325i the worst
One of the first videos of your I watched. Then the 6spd vs dct vid. Bought my car a month after it’s release... September 2019. Keep up the good work.
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So glad I watched this video before I bought a used M3. I will stick to my unicycle thank you very much.
😂😂😂
Scatpack it is
@@raydoeonda826 imagine choosing a hellcat over a BMW for reliability 💀💀💀
@@Byriii 😹
@@Byriiishit gone get stolen within 48 hours😅
I work at a BMW dealer in the service dept. and I’ve only had one owner slip their timing gear, and that was caused by money shifting. Very solid engine for the abuse I’ve seen it take, even for 600+ whp vehicles
Any issues with leather wear ?
Tommy L Garage commonly on the driver side bolster since it pokes out a good amount and it’s grazed going in and out of the car, but overall, one of the least problematic M cars to come thru tbh, steering wheel’s leather sometimes can feel like it gets sticky or coming apart after a lot of use or if you live in a very hot/humid climate
Miguel Ramirez thanks !!!!
Have you came across any other issues that these M3/M4 F80-83 cars may have? I want to know because I keep wanting one haha.
GT Mike91 Not very much at all mechanical wise! Pretty solid M cars like I said, charge pipes have a tendency of cracking, turbos are rarely an issue, keep up with oil changes and routine maintenance and you’ll be good tbh
"looking back at your car as you walk away" what every car enthusiast does! xD
Of course :)
Don’t forget we take a picture too 😂🤦🏾♂️
Sting3R right.😅
I have a mustang and I still do that lol.
@@Toyota4Life no
I always look back when i walk away lol. I know the feeling
I’m glad I’m not the only one
Me too, every time. I look back at it and I’m like, damn that thing is amazing.
MrFifty2323 me too, but I probably wouldn’t with the F80. Looks boring to me. My E46 M3 is timeless, and I look back every time, multiple times
MrFifty2323 every time 👍
@@boeingdriver29 I do a 360
I still look back at my beat up e46 325i when I park it LoL
E46 are great looking !
me too! LOL
Same!
Nothing wrong with that
So do I!!!
If you don’t look back when you walk away from your car, you’ve got the wrong car! 😂
Facts
"I'll be back baby. Don't you worry"
Looking forward to the day I can buy this car. Thanks for the video!
Hope it was helpful
I’ll sell you mine ,2018 grey
How much?
Chase McWilliams 62k it’s gone by the weekend
If you are buying it used and out of warranty, set aside a few thousands for repairs, or take my advice and don't buy a used M3/M4.
Honestly, the simplest and spot on review have ever come across..your the right guy I will contact when buying my m3 or m5
I really appreciate it. Thank you!!!!
Im planning on buying my brother’s 2016 M3. Driven 30k km only. Cant wait!!!
Wow - you’ll love it!!!
M3 I think everyone made shift ms to the right while driving
I’m talking about brand new M3
I witnessed 2 of them
Check again
Adopt me plz
I thought that he was going to warn us against crazy owners that do donuts in the parking lot in their M3. 😃
J Y nope - I do it too :)
I have a 2016 , 3 years of ownership , 6sp also , I drive the piss out of it and 0 problems , I love this car and look , and how raw it is , and yes , you always look back :)
I mean a GT3 would be nice...but this is also so so pretty
Man this new 911s would be nice , but price is crazy :)
HosBoba agreed I just bagged a 2017 m4 comp towards the beginning of the summer, and Im already head over heals for it. Ive been an m-fanboy since I was 16 and the car is better than I could have ever dreamed.
Some of the greatest acceleration and pull on both the highway and street, its completely turned my gf who didnt even like cars into a bmw fan, and its the perfect car to wip to dinner as well. I drive the shit out of it but I dont worry cus its still under warranty. So far no issues, and its been a monster on the road. and you are correct, I always look back ;P. Love your wip Tommy L
HosBoba It’s funny when Bimmer owners be like: 3 yEaRs, 30K mILeS, nO pRoBLeMs.
Dude, that’s barely breaking in. Come back and lmk when you hit 80k miles without any headaches. Cuz we all know that shit is impossible lmao.
Got me a 2018 M3 a few months ago and have loved it more and more every day.
Hope it stays that way! Thanks for watching
Do you still have it?
When I parked my 2012 Evo x 500 whp I always look back and every time I drive it I have a big smile 😊 and the feeling is priceless too🙏😂
Gotta love the Evo!
This is the first video I ever decided to watch from this channel. I have an f80 now and couldnt be happier with it!
2015 M3 owner here!!, always look back when leaving it parked!! BMW nailed with this generation of M's
Agreed !!!
Sir! You own one of the most beautiful cars I’ve ever seen! Very very good taste.
Thanks!
Also, the crank hub issues seems to be specifically for DCT transmission cars and there are some talks on various forums that it's related to violent kick-downs and vibrations that spin the crank hub loose. +1 for keeping the manual dream alive!
That’s what I’m hearing too although a few manuals have had them as well
And on the other end of the spectrum there are no DCT cars that have been money shifted
The crankhub issue is an issue for both manual and DCT f8x cars. Money shift a manual, and you’ll spin it (happened to a buddy of mine)
Robert Lunatic lol manual requires no maintenance what so ever. Race car feel with a dct lol. I’d have a dct over a standard auto but not over a manual in a sports car.
@Robert Lunatic look man it depends on the driver and preference. I had a manual car and actually perfected shifting for normal driving and doing pulls. It doesn’t matter (for me that is) to have this in either manual or auto because I can shift just as fast. You might call bs but I’ll give you the rundown on how I do so. When you’re driving in your manual car and already know the biting point quite well, when u go into the next gear quickly release the clutch right before the biting point and as soon as you stop there, give a little bit of gas but like less than 20kpah of force to the pedal and as you do so slowly release to the biting point and then fully release. The amount of force you put on the gas pedal for example if your driving your car and you have the throttle open but the car is still slowing down, that’s how little force you have to use. When you do all these things, (I do recommend a short shifter btw) you’ll be able to shift between .01-.03 seconds without feeling any force back from shifting into the next gear like most amateur drivers. This technique can only be done if you have good control of the clutch to the point where you become the synchros. The only car that seems to not be able to respond well to this would probably have to be a 350z, although he probably didn’t recall his transmission like most people did.
awesome straight to the points without any theatrics.... manual must be amazing...
Thank you. And yes I love the manual!
@@TommyLGarage why manual instead of auto?
Speedy dk Nouri For me any manual transmission even on a slow car it’s just more fun. I know it’s slower than a dual clutch but I don’t mind.
You will always look back “ I like that part more” ....
Manual is where its at, debating on trading in one of my evos for f80 m3. Kinda a downgrade on speed but a upgrade in luxury.
I bought my 2017 M3 used and have had no major issues. Had to have my navigation and radio display replaced do to a bad board, but that is it. The previous owner babied the car, as do I. Happy with my decision.
One of my favorite F8x content creators! I really like that you tackle most of the work yourself!
Finally had the opportunity to buy the f80 with a manual transmission back in March!! My first mod was the awesome mud flaps that picked them up from you. Love the content keep it up!
Love the look-back comment. Classic! The measure of a great car is the look-back factor. I was going to buy an F80 M3/4 a year ago, but I unfortunately, I had to buy a pickup-truck as a tow vehicle and home improvement hauler instead. I still have my 2007 350z that I bought new and tastefully modded. I still look back at that 12 year old car as well.
I remember when the 350z first came out I wanted one so bad. The manual transmission was so good on it
One other component that has seen some failures recently has been the top mount heat exchanger - some have been developing internal leaks and draining all of the coolant into the engine in the extreme cases. Unlike the crank hub issue, which has been most likely blown out of proportion a bit due to the forums (and the dealers don't appear to be very familiar with it), dealers have been seeing some failed top mount heat exchangers. Exactly how widespread the issue is actually is difficult to tell of course. Also, there does not seem to be a specific pattern for those cars that are affected (i.e. model year, tuned vs stock, etc). But it is something to look out for (by checking the expansion tank level) or asking the previous owner/dealer if it has been replaced. I wouldn't let this potential issue discourage anyone from buying the car though (it does not appear to be a rampant issue by any means), just something else to be aware of. FWIW, my car is a MY17 (Comp Pack), almost 3 years old with 41k miles on the clock and I have not seen any issues with my top mount heat exchanger (but I also check my expansion tank level regularly now since I became aware of this potential issue).
I'd like to add that my 2016 expansion tank had a small weeping/leak at the seams. I would notice a small amount of coolant residue spitting when hot. My dealer replaced it under warranty and mentioned that they have seen a few others do this and it's fairly simple to replace if you happen to pick one up out of warranty. Other than that, I've had zero issues.
I got my 2018 Yas Marina Blue manual a couple of years ago and and am still absolutely in love with this machine. Had to special order it to get the options I wanted, i.e. manual and the 19 inch wheels. This car is a work of art.
Agreed! Such an amazing car. Hard to beat it
Mannnnnn, I'm about to pull the trigger on this car,...thank you so much .
Good luck! Let me know if you’ve got other questions. Email is best
The best review for a used car. You told me exactly almost everything I need to know that will help me in buying a used m3/m4 which I am actually considering. I loved how you compared each year model so finally people can know the minor differences and changes that BMW does. Hope to see more reviews from you on used cars. I am stuch between a C43 AMG 2017 or M4 2016, but I’ve always been an M fan.
Awesome. I’m glad you enjoyed it. The AMG suggestion is good. I could do some digging.
I just bought a 2016 M4. My first time owning my own car. I'm pretty pumped.
@@squidincsquid nice man
Bought a new M3 two days ago. ❤️
Congrats! How do you like it ??
@White People Rule The World how do you know that?
Ezekiel he told him
@White People Rule The World 😀 I really like my M3 and driving it for every day! 👍
Crypto Hunters Tech Why not m4?
thumbs up from another M manual owner :)
Thanks!!!!! Kudos for owning this car in a manual
Looking back at your love (car) is the best.
I do it daily ;)
Having owned an M4 for 5 years now, I've learned a lot about the car and enjoy every minute of it. It's a garage queen with only 30k miles on it. I know how I take care of this car and how much I've put into it. I treat it kindly and have have little need to beat it up. If someone can find a car like mine then they would be at least 40k ahead of the game. Trouble is you rarely know the true history of a car. If the car has been beat, then there could be big repair bills awaiting. I've always treated my cars well but this one I am truly in love with. I think my wife is getting suspicious.
Damn I miss my M4, I use to look back all the time too lol..I had ran into some financial probs and end up returning it. It was new then but I realize a used one is at a decent price now and definitely worth rebuying.. it’s special and intimate💫thanx for the motivation, I’m considering getting it again now that I’m back up.. nothing else really gives me that feel.. maybe the cls63 but there’s just something about that M4/M3. Dope vid 💫
Hoping you can get back into one soon!
By returning it did your credit get destroyed ?
I always look back when I walk away... but then walk back to the car cause it’s the reason I’m broke. 😂
Bought a 17 executive 6mt in September after watching this. Thanks again for the heads up. Absolutely love mine
Great and congrats !!!
I watched this video a couple times before buying my f82 last June. Thanks for saving me some money and headaches!
Love those donuts at the beginning, I respect people who know how to properly drive a sports car 👍🏼
Thank you!
OMG a dealer that wants to sell the car hasnt heard of its catastrophic failures? Amazing.
Haha fair enough.
I would like to see more videos from you. You are quite and interesting person to listen and to watch. Very concise and to the point videos.Great stuff brother
Sure thing. I really appreciate the kind words
Wow. Great vid. Straight to the point info for anyone looking. Thank you!! Keep it up!!
I’m glad you liked it. Thanks for the love!
What perfect timing in finding this video. I'm looking at getting a used M3 but, very weary about what the previous owner did and didn't know what to inspect when looking at one at the dealership. Thank you for this video it will help me a lot. Keep up the awesome videos. 😊👍👍
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Good luck with your search !
I had an e92, then upgraded to a 440. Both ran like clocks. Always looked back at them when i parked. Such great looking cars.
A year ago I picked up a 2015 m4. I was debating a 2016 competition m4 but since I knew I was gonna mod the car I went with the cheaper 2015 and used the extra money I saved for parts. Didn't care for the 666 wheels or the competition exhaust since I always go aftermarket rims and exhaust. I went with a vrsf dp into an aa midpipe into a remus axleback. In my opinion it sounds the best, and for sure louder than the competition or m performance one. For extra hp, I'm on bootmod3 stage 2, haven't dyno the car yet but should be at least 500 whp with my current setup. To go stage 2 doesn't cost much, Bootmod3 ($600), vrsf dp (500), burger charge pipes (500), and bmc filter replacement (175), totaling around $1750. There are also other cheaper options, but this is what I went with. Then add in whatever exhaust you want, i went aa midpipe (1100) into remus axleback (2700), it did cost me a lot but there are so many other options. Burbles can also be added with bootmod3. So total I spent 5500 to get to 500 whp and make it sound amazing. What I'm getting at is, if you want to keep the car stock and be covered under warrenty for sure go with a competition m4. But if youre like me and want to get a bit more wild with mods, then just get a base m4 and use the extra cash on parts like I did. I agree with Tommy that the crank hub stuff is a bit overblown, but it does concern me since I did tune the car. Hope this helps some people decide!
Nicely said!!!! Thanks for taking the time to do this
I also have tuned my 2015 F80 M3 and think for the value the F80 platform is amazing. So far, I have an Active AutoWerke stage 2 tune with VRSF catless DP and custom exhaust setup and love it. Not my daily drivers so I put it on a set of H&R race springs and like the aggressive stance. Also concerned about the crank hub issue but doing the Gintani or Vargas solution when I go to the Pure Turbos. Until then, I am rolling the dice I guess. Great video Tommy as always.
As a F80 owner (manual) with stage 2 e85 tune (575whp) I can attest my car has been bulletproof. Currently has 45k miles and rips like day 1. Crank hub issues have a lot to do with over-revving or missed gears; the hub slips since it’s not keyed and you get a drivetrain malfunction because of the deviation of the crank and timing errors. In some instances your valves can touch your piston but that is rare. If I was upgrading to Pure Turbos I’d get the crank hub upgraded.
Crank hub seems more common on the DCT cars from quick downshifts.
Just got a brand new M5 last month. I definitely keep looking back when I walk away. 😅
Congrats. M5 is truly amazing
This guy is good, like thw way he presents the issues.. Nicely done.. 👌
Christian Vujasić I really appreciate the comment! Means a lot
that first clip was so..... i dont know the word but all im going to say the sound was so amazing it popped my right ear
I agree. It sounds so good
Get it to 1 mil!!! Also just picked up some mudflaps and couldn’t be happier ! Thanks Tommy!
great video man. finally gave me the confidence to shell out the cheddar
You won’t be disappointed
Definitely hoping to get a M3 in my near future 🙌🏼 you made a great video explaining what to look for. Thank you for the information ℹ️
Thanks for watching!
Also, I like the way you present yourself .... I watch a lot of car channels. Just subscribed to yours... keep'em coming!
I really appreciate it. Thank you! It means a lot. I don’t try to go over the top - I’m just being myself
@@TommyLGarage It's perfect Tommy... Well done!
Watched this video a few months after purchasing my f80. Glad to have caught this regardless.
This car is just such a bargain of a sports car. Reliability, looks, speed, value, its the whole package deal. My next one for sure
Super solid !
I love the way u deliver all the infos. Cool guy. Done subs 😊
Thank you! Means a lot
Crazy I was looking into getting a used one of these and didn’t know these issues existed, thank you so much for the video!
You got it!
I’m going out on a limb and assuming you’ve seen Doug Demuro videos 😂😉 Seriously good video man, clean and clear, to the point
Thank you! Yes I get inspired my many people and put my own twist into it
Doug sucks
I love my M3, bought it CPO a couple of years ago and it's been fantastic.
Bought my ‘15 F82 two months ago for 46k. 14k miles. Dct. 82k original msrp, one owner, thousands of cosmetic extras. Guy drove it
I know exactly how you feel! Such a special feeling
This video actually helped quite a lot when I was looking at a used M4 for sale. Ended up buying it so thanks for the tips😁
Congrats! any updates on the car so far?
Lots of great info, thanks Tommy, after doing some research this crank hub issue is really pushing me away from F80 M3/M4 market, even as a DIYer I don’t think I would be able to tackle issue like that, I hope aftermarket and reliable independent shops will find a solution.
Especially because it’s hard to resist upgrading that platform ( tune, exhaust, air charging etc. )
Don’t shy away from this platform. They’re great cars even in the stock form. If I didn’t have to delete cold start due to me leaving early in the AM every day I’d keep the engine stock. I’m still running a semi-stock CS tune.
Having said that, I would also enjoy a 911 quite a lot!
Bought an 150k sticker 2014 m6 gran coupe with every option possible for only 55k. It had one owner and only 30k miles. Even had a dinan tuner and built in radar detector. I’ve had it for over a year now and not one problem with it.
M6 sounds amazing. Love it!!!
I couldn't agree more with your comments being a f80 M3 owner myself. I love my car!
Had mine 3 years from new. Never missed a beat. Looked for new car but couldn’t find anything that even came close. I’ve had RS4’s 911’s and gti’s . In the end I extended my warranty. The best solution for me is to keep her long term and upgrade my wife’s car so I will have the best of both worlds
Glad to hear! The car is indeed a great all arounder
I also look back at my car when I walk away... to make sure my broken bumper still in place.
Aaahhh sorry
😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for making this vid and I can't wait to get one of my own. Ice been doing a ton of research and I'm in most of the forum groups. I agree with what you said about sch. I firmly believe it comes down to how the owners use the cars. If you actually drive them (tracking, auto-x, backroads, daily spirited driving lol) as BMW intended then you'll be fine.
I’ve stopped worrying about it last year :)
@@TommyLGarage especially when most dealers don't even know of the issue Haha. That alone makes you say hmmm. Love your vids man and the car looks amazing. Thanks for commenting!
You got it. And thanks again for the love!
when there is a crowd around me when I park. I try act cool and not look back. Cause I know the crowd is already looking for me.
Marvin O haha nicely said!!! And I agree
Watched this vid after I bought my M4 but still enjoyed it. I’ve got an F80 M3 comp now :)
Very informative with out over doing it love this video and I don't even own an f80 m3 😂
Thanks!!
Why does it seem that a ton of ///M models have some underlying “rare” issue that ends with the motor blowing 😂
Because BMW = Break My Wallet. Honestly I'd rather get a Lexus RC-F and have a N/A V8 than this even if it's slower. Being faster doesn't mean crap to me when you spend over 40% of your ownership with your car in the shop or are doing DIY shit.
Because people modify their cars and expect the reliability to be the same.
@@gtmike916 46k on my modified F80. Zero issues. Look at Savageese's video on the RCF, play close attention to the portion where they review the car on the lift.
Justin Baker Yeah what exactly am I supposed to see huh? Because I absolutely don’t see what’s alarming about it.
@TwinGunsLLP I was talking about ///M in general, they all are great cars it just seems that they all have some type of issue that will cause the engine to blow lol
They are great looking cars I do like them. I wouldn't get one unless I can afford to get one and keep my E92 M3..
Can't let her go, the V8 is addicting.
The M4 drivers always drool when run Into them.
2011 frozen black edition
I have a 2011 M3 also, manual, comp., carbon roof, white. I DIY service it and warm it up meticulously but haven't had long enough to comment on reliability (1.5 yr.s 6k miles, not a daily for me), nothing to do except replace rear tires, lol.
This is best spec M3 on TH-cam. Well done Tommy!!
Got a used 2015 M4 two years ago, not a single issue, just regular maintenance since purchase.
Super happy to hear that. These cars are solid
@@TommyLGarage .... But what about serving this cars ..... How much does they cost ???
Any rough figure ?
Curious for the M3/4 owners who say they’ve owned their car for years and never had a single issue; how many miles?
had mine for 6 years with little over 80K miles. besides regular maintenance no issues.
Soorma530 that’s awesome. It almost seems like the M3/4 is more reliable than the regular 3 series it’s based on. But I’m not sure if it appears that way because there are less M cars on the road; less data on them, or if it’s because an M owner is likely to be more responsible with their vehicle.
Alex i read up on JD powers dependability review to see how these brands compare for reliability. You'd be surprised BMW is up there in top 10
Had mine for 4 yrs now and no issues. Thanks for the video Tommy, great info! Masheen55.
Masheeeeeeeeeen!!!!!!
What year?
Imagine bragging about your car not having issues for four years.
This comment was made by the Lexus gang.
Love my M4 - 6 speed transmission AY F82 - I watched this video prior to buying , some good information and I made my own list of requirements. I look back everytime I walk away!
the full leather pack age is definitely worth - its in no way a chore maintaining it and it looks 100% better than the other options.
Perhaps you’re right
Another thing you could mention is that when the brake calipers turned green-black, the car has been tracked heavily. Without a doubt the M3/4 can handle the trackdays, but it's a way to know if a M3/4 has been tracked regularly. Some people may not like that fact.
Good point, although that applies to most makes and models
So glad I watched this before I purchased my new to me M3!
I am sure the property management company and/or owner of this parking lot is really thrilled with all the markings you are making.
I own the lot and run the property management firm
Same 2017 F80, never regret buying this car!
Always weary when buying a used performance car, but videos' like this one surely help!
The exhaust note of this car is just something I cannot overlook... otherwise it’s near perfection.
Agreed
Thanks for sharing videos like these, an F80 M3 is my dream car, especially with that crazy color. Everytime you upload a new video my desire for an F80 just gets bigger
Awesome video Tommy! You really inspired me to purchase an F82 in a manual! Now I always look back at my ride when I walk away
I saw this car at a dealership the other day and fell in love instantly with the color which is exactly like this one, and now I want to get it so badly! 😭
Time to pull the trigger!
Props, manual driver in the building! Very nice, much respect!
Thanks!!!!
Congrats on 25k! I watched this video a couple times before I pulled the trigger on my f82! Cheers!
Very helpful video when looking to buy an F8X. I bought my M4 almost 6 months ago but have been using your videos to help make my decision
All good information. I’m only stage 1 bm3, and I actually had the dealer install the VTT CBC. They had no problem installing it! The tech actually said that is one of the best things you can do if tuned. Thanks for always providing excellent content for our cars!
mine is a 16’ individual color 6mt M4 and bought it new, don’t drive it much, only has 8k miles on it, it’s my track car, love it
edwin morgado reliable right ??!!
Tommy L Garage absolutely, 125% solid, keeping it for many years to come
I’ve been looking for videos like this. This has to be the best by far. I went into your channel and found so much great F80 M3 content and related car content. I have watched so many videos and subscribed. It’s been great. I’ve learnt so much about the car from watching all your videos.
Thank you for the awsome comment and welcome to the channel !!
I love my ///M3, really no complaints here with 50+K miles in almost 4 years, multiple track days in Germany and Spain! Only thing I’ll need to change soon is a worn out suspension part from all that Nurburgring driving.
I’ve had two friends blow their motors because of the crank hub issue, one highly modified, the other one stock and less than 10K miles.
Definitely a good overall car considering all the samples out there.
Wow all these European tracks - must be nice!
Great points. I’ve had mine for some time now and it is light years beyond my older M cars. No plans to modify it. It wasn’t supposed be a daily but I just can’t stay out of it. It’s a base model with manual & I absolutely love every moment with the car. Withing a a couple months of ownership I had already accumulated about 10k miles and a few oil changes and basic preventive services. What an awesome car these seem to be.
So happy to hear! I say these are a must!
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So happy to hear! I say these are a must!
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Was considering an M4 Competition, but went for a GT350 instead. Do not regret it.
Yours definitely sounds better.
Do you daily it ??
@@TommyLGarage
I do. It makes every commute an event.
RV H I can relate. Congrats! Awesome car
@@TommyLGarage
Thanks man!
Bought one (2015 M4) 4 years ago and most reliable BMW I ever owned. Never been at dealer and never did anything but oil change. Owned 335i N54 , 2009 328i (325i), 2014 328i and 1992 325i and all had several issues. N54 and 2009 325i the worst
I agree. Very reliable!
I definitely watched your video before I made my f80 purchase 👌👌!!
Most underrated f8x TH-cam channel. Keep it up man!
Dont need to look back in my mustang ecoboost. Just look forward and I always have 1-5 in sight
Haha fair point
i recently purchased a f30 its n26 and seeing guys my age whip a m4 or m3 makes me wanna buy one
F30 is terrific too. Don’t have any regret man and enjoy the car!
Ohhhh the tunnel blast... doesn't get any better than that!
Best used F80 guide out there!
I love how you said the tires are super expensive to replace but you was just doing donuts in the video😂
One of the first videos of your I watched. Then the 6spd vs dct vid. Bought my car a month after it’s release... September 2019.
Keep up the good work.