British Rail InterCity-Euston variety 1992
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ส.ค. 2019
- I'm back from my trip south and it's time for some more uploads! We start with another classic BR vid, London Euston. I seem to recall it was a Saturday as a couple of railtours depart and we see a bit diesel action. An HST arrives, class 86/4's are seen on sleeper ECS moves as well as class 86/2's, 87 & 90's on Inter-City work with a 313 EMU slipping by on a Watford DC working. If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
Hi,my name is Phil Holt.I started on the footplate at edgeley shed on the 4th of April 1961 as a fireman I did 50yrs on the footplate I finished my time out at longsight as a driver and worked trains in and out of Euston it brings back memories of them times.Regards Phil.
Hi Phil, i have actually driven an 86 out of Euston (i was roads Eus to Watford Junc but went with a mate & stayed on to Wolverhampton!), they are great fun! Not thrashy like a 37 but had a great time notching the loco up without over-loading her, happy days......I'm pleased you like the vid, there are more to come plus i have a few upwith the West Coast on them, check them out.
1:50 Even Class 43 HST Intercity (125) Joined Her West Coast Mainline Parenting Brothers for Family Time
Hi,Me again I also fired steam train in and out of Euston in the 1960 when I was a fireman at edgeley shed.On the 19th of February 1973 I fired the flying Scotsmen from Manchester to Derby works and on the 25th of August 1973 I fired lender from Derby to Manchester.Regards.Phil
You've had some interesting times Phil. I too have worked with Flying Scotsman, it was based at Southall and as a Western driver i was supplied as pilotman for the Peterborough crew until we got onto the ECML at Freight Terminal Junction where they signed the road. A short trip but great fun just being on the footplate!
Proper trains. Love you vids.
Thank you, there are plenty more to upload.
Another great bit of video!
It's amazing how hard it is to find photos of WCML sleeper trains (obviously working at night means few people took photos because moving trains don't come out well on photos), so to see the formation at 6:20 was really great!
I'm pleased you like it. I do have other vids with sleeper stock at Watford Junc, Glasgow (if i remember correctly), Exeter (the Glasgow sleeper!) and Paddington. Over time i will get them up. If you're a medeller it could be handy for getting the coaching rakes correct.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Oh that'll be wonderful!
I'm looking forward to seeing them!
I got to drive 86405 when it became 86605 and was on loan from Freightliner to then Anglia (Norwich-London). Our fleet of 86/2's were getting on a bit and the enhancements of 86605 seem like a treat at the time.
Great loco's, very hands-on and sadly missed when they all went.
I have only ever driven on 86 and that was when i was road learning with a Euston driver i knew and thrashed one down to Wolverhampton-great fun!
Like this one, takes me back to the good old days.
I have plenty more to come, keep watching......
Good old Intercity days. Class 47's 86's 87's and class 90. Today the class 90 electric locomotive is painted red with the German rail symbol DB
Back in the 1990s BR painted 3 calss 90s in European rail companies colours to celebrate the opening of the Channel Tunnel, DB was one of them (Belgium blue and SNCK freight grey were the others), funny to think they actually took over most of the BR freight operation and painted the locos in DB colours.....
HST's And Ac's!! Beautiful days!
Euston had interest just not as much as say Paddington in those days.....
I was so surprised by the length of the Class 90 and DVT Mk3 set at about 3 minutes in - 10 coaches Compared to the 2+8 HST set that came in before it. Something I’ll remember in model form!
This is one of the Pullman sets, put on one of the early trains and did the Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham/Wolverhampton Pullman trains getting into Euston before 8am for the long distance business commuters.
It included an extra TSO and FO
Three rakes included one of the BFO (17173/174/175) coaches between the DVT and the rest of the FO's.
There was something similar on the ECML (before the Class 91+Mk4's came along), where there were three Pullman HST rakes, with three TF's and two buffet/kitchen cars.
An example was the "Tyne/Tees Pullman" which had a rake of 41153+41066+40511+41154+40741+42205+42210+44083 (TF+TF+TRFK+TF+TRFB+TS+TS+TGS) in 1989.
There were two 'Yorkshire Pullman sets (one at Neville Hill and one at Bounds Green), one like the above rake, the other with a TF instead of the TRFK.
On the Midland Mainline there was the Master Cutler which had three TF's, the only TRFM (40619), three TS's and a TGS... and on the Great Wstern, there was the "Golden Hind" from Plymouth, and the "Red Dragon Pullman" which were 8-car HST trains at a time when most were still 7-car sets.
In 1990 when the ECML started to replace their HST's with Class 91's and Mk4's, those HST's went to InterCity Cross Country being reduced to 7-car sets, and the spare TF were converted into TS's and inserted into the Great Western rakes.
I have a youtube channel about model railways, and I have videos where I talk about coaching stock rakes at length.
They're a bit dry and detailed... but you may find them useful!
Cheers
Laura
Interesting to note 3 rakes of mk2s (what I knew to become in Virgin days as 'Oxley' sets) in this video that don't have DVTs in their formation. The mk2 rakes must ave been the last rakes to be converted to DVT operation
Yes, the DVT's were still being introduced at this time. I recall some problems with the TDM equipment and the class 86 & 87s, it worked better with the class 90s.
That Ticking Spirax valve must have been working overtime on the locomotive nearest to you Soi. But a very interesting clip with those unusual movements included one in particular 86222 backing into Euston without a DVT unless there was someone in the rear car giving radio messages to the driver.
Just outside Euston was a set of sidings called 'Backing Out Roads' where a shunter would ride in the rear of train and see the driver set the train back into Euston's platforms! This was a time when the DVT's had arrived but there were issues with the jumper cabel control and some trains were still run without them (or even with a local sitting on the front of one!)
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Agreed - clearly the case here as the "leading" coach is a brake, not a first.
Excellent!
Thank you, there will be more.......
The sleeper stock hauled by the freight liveried 86 seems to be a weird formation with sleepers at both ends and coaches in the middle, and no catering vehicle/lounge (SLE(P), SLE(P), SLE(P), BSO, TSO, TSO, TSO, TSO, BSO, SLE(P), SLE(P), SLE(P). Possibly the Glasgow sleeper with one part attached at Carlisle?
No, i think that may well ahve been an Inter-City charter formation, definately not one of the regular workings with MkI's in the formation
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus AFAIK at this point the only sleeper that was combined at this point was the Ft Bill/Inverness for parts of the year. But then there should've been at least an FO(T) if not an RLO in the Inverness section, and probably more sleepers as well?
defo a charter set that maybe for a wedding or something , i saw someone hire a set like that for a wedding up here in liverpool in 93 , very similar set up
Wonderfull scenes, all types of traction catered for, lots of colour thanks to sectorisation. Plenty of interesting shunting movements going on despite DVTs being in use...seeing 86222 being driven backwards was weird!
I was quite surprised by the prevelence of RFD 86s in these clips. Don't think I ever saw one on passenger services, though I do recall the RES examples showing up as substitutes quite often. Ditto the 90s.
The RfD 86s were for ECS moves and had the fuses put back in their ETH circuits. They were not booked for passenger trains though.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I was not aware of that. It seems the introduction of the DVTs did not mean an end to shunting movements at Euston...at least not staight away! I suppose that made it more interesting though.
What a great location and with all those classic electric loco’s. Thanks for posting!!! 👍🙂
Most of the time at Euston it was all electric but this day we had a couple of charter trains plus the use of freight 86's on the sleeper ECS moves. And HST's had taken over the Holyhead workings. If you worked it right you could go HST to Crewe and get a Cross Country HST to Glasgaow, all the way under the wires with an HST!!!
What was that immaculate set of Mk1s at the start - a tour consist?
Yes, there were two charter trains out of Euston on this day, probably the reason why i was there......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Was the 47 the other one?
Some lovely Class 86 sounds. Incidentally, have you ever seen the video to the Manic Street Preachers' 'The Everlasting'? Shot at Euston around this time. Some nice glimpses of InterCity 87s and HSTs.
I'm pleased you like the vid. No i haven't seen the Manic's vid, but i will no look and see if it's on TH-cam!!! Ta
Fascinating to see the Mark 1 vehicles in one of the sleeper formations. Was that a regular occurrence?
At the time, yes. (the Liv St-Norwich route still had MkI buffets long after all the rest of the stock was MkII). The sleeper service always got cast offs, apart from the sleeping cars of course!
Not a normal sleeper service. The white roofs are a clue this was a land cruise service.
Nice on Soi. Before the days of Buddliea and nasty smelly Pendolinos. The railways in this country are finished.
Yes, BR was always short of money but managed to keep on top of the basic 'house-keeping'.....
We had it damn good😆
Did you notice the garden at 3:52?
Magic
What services were the HSTs running?
Mark Smith Holyhead
The Holyhead service....
Short of a DVT 5:00?
Not sure Mk2s operated with DVTs. They were usually used on the Mk3 sets.
Guessing the Mk2s are working to Wolverhampton and the Mk3s to Scotland.
Dvts did work mk2s all the time although you are right that mk3s generally did the scottish runs. That rake looks to have one of the rare mk2 bfks. Must have been an issue precluding their use.
Who was watching to see where they were going..........H&S.......
Yes. By 1992 the DVT's were in full use, so the DVT had probably has a fault (TDM, tyre turning, etc) so it was swapped out for a Mk2d BFK.
86405 did not stop short, before coupling up!?! Must have been empty stock!!
Yes, that was the sheeper ECS. Interesting mixed Mk 1/2/3 formation .
not sure how long stopping short before coming on has been a thing, I can remember as a kid, locos just came straight onto stock, and it's still the practice on a lot of preserved railways.
@@olly5764 The rule book says stop 6 feet short before buffering up. However in the days before 'balck boxes' in the cab most drivers tickled straight up to the stock, both freight & passenger. I have shots of 47s at Waterloo being set back onto the stock without stopping and you can hear the 'clang' as they make contact!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus when did that come in because we don't do it with steam (for a very good reason) and our rule book is based on the BR 1950 one, so would it have come in when the rule book changed about 1970ish?
@@olly5764 I would guess so. When i joined BR in the early 1990s it was in the rule book then. Not that it was adhered to all the time, the same as changing ends on a loco rather than seting back (except where allowed ie Waterloo probably was as it would have been too dangerous to change ends on the ballast), out of the way places like Forders Sidings (Stewartby) we mostly set the loco back on the shunt moves. If we did the Forders job correctly you would change ends 23 times!!!