OM System OM-5 Review
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- The OM System OM-5 is an extremely compact, lightweight but durable camera, just like the Olympus E-M5 Mark III before it. Have there been enough upgrades to warrant looking at the latest model? Chris Niccolls checks it out.
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0:00 - Intro
1:04 - Body and handling
2:01 - Ports
3:03 - Menus
3:51 - Burst rates
4:27 - Autofocus
5:45 - Live ND
7:08 - IBIS
7:36 - Handheld Hi-Res
8:11 - Video performance
9:12 - Night photography
10:52 - Who is it for?
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I am an Olympus shooter with both Em1 mk3 and EM1x real shame to see that this release of the OM5 has been a lazy incremental update with very little improvement. With the OM1 they moved away from the old eco system of Olympus and that was great but this feels a large step back in terms of moving forward opportunity missed by the new company.
I have the EM1 MK3 too, how do you think this OM5 compares to it? Should I recommend one over the other (I am loving the MK3, been easy to understand and use as a newbie to photography :) )
@@sneakyscorpia Personally if I had to recommend either the cameras i would push people towards the EM1 mk3 every time. Dual card slot alone is enough to warrant it over the OM5. I think the EM1 mk3 has better AF and all the same if not better settings the EM5 has in a metal body with better weather sealing and also it is much sturdier. OM5 is what the EM5 mk3 should have been. this new camera for me isnt worth the money if it was 200 dollars less then maybe worth it but at the current price point definitely not. If someone wants a better camera than the EM1 mk3 or EM1x then I guess OM1 is the way to go BUT for me I am very happy with what I have and wont be upgrading till OM systems up the mp count.
@@ronmurray7349 The dual card slots alone is enough for me to dismiss the OM5 in favour of the EM1 mk3. I just think personally for a supposed NEW camera and OM systems 2nd release this seems very underwhelming and lazy from their part. I myself and I am sure many others were expecting more from this release.
I'm in the market for a used camera and am looking between the E-m1 mk3, E-M1x, and the OM-5. The benefit to me of the OM-5 is the no limit video recording and the smaller battery because I have an E-PM1. I know the E-m1 mk3 and E-M1x can output raw to the atomos ninja, the OM-5 is not listed on the atomos compatibility list. At this point I'm not going to be shooting raw but it'd be convenient to not have to switch bodies to do so in the future. I'd get a used E-m1 mk3 before the OM-5 unless I need no limit recording. If I'm buying new, it'd be the OM-5 probably. E-m1 mk3 and E-m1x also are compatible with om webcam beta, which I've never used, but that's nice. Someone who doesn't want Live ND, the joystick, starry af, and is ok with the subpar microphone might go with the E-m1 mk2 and save a bit of money.
You guys were too kind, this has to be one of the lowest effort upgrades I can recall seeing... and after almost 3 years!
Noooo… the Em1mk3 was just as bad!
@@shortie8512 The EM-1 III at least introduced USB-C charging and a joystick!
@@Simoneister if I ever needed to replace my 5.3 it would be a 1.3 not the OM-5. USB-C PD charging and ext power while shooting is a big deal for me
@@Simoneister The E-M1ii already had USB-C.
@@williamhumber5890 Yes, but not for charging
I have zero interest in buying a new camera but I still love watching these reviews from you guys
wow...
Hi, Chris, and thanks for a very balanced review of this new camera model from OM System. As an owner and user of both the E-M5 Mk III and the OM-1, I think I'm in a position to make some experience based commentary on this camera. I'm just going to throw some things out there in no particular order.
1. Yes, the external body is virtually identical to the E-M5 Mk III. And I love the E-M5 Mk III body. Other people who see it, love the E-M5 Mk III body. I get comments all the time, about how compact and attractive the camera is, how compact the lenses are, and how much it captures the retro look and feel of a film SLR from 30 or 40 years ago.
2. By not spending money on upgrading the USB port or adding a joystick or changing to a larger battery, OM System have brought the camera out for $900. That's based on the current offer of the OM-5 with Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 12-45mm f/4 PRO Lens, for $1600. The lens alone sells for $700 and is a bargain in that 24-90mm (full frame equivalent) segment which is so popular. Show me another camera selling for $900 right now with the quality, features, practicality, and style of the OM-5.
3. You mentioned some other brands that would be comparable. Having owned a few of the Sony a6xxx cameras, I know that those cameras are ugly little boxes with tiny batteries and the worst ergonomics of any camera I've handled. Despite having a larger APS-C sensor, the a6xxx cameras take inferior photos and they are really unpleasant to use.
4. This camera is, really, an E-M5 Mk IV. If the company was still Olympus, very likely that's what it would be called. And if that were the case, I think the reactions to all the improvements and upgraded features, at the same list price, would be really favorable. Think about the world circumstances when the E-M5 Mk III was released. No chip shortage, no pandemic, no war in Europe, no runaway inflation, no world economic instability, etc. And yet, here we are in 2022 with this improved new model, for the same or less money.
5. I think people should stop being whining complaining haters and look at what OMDS, a new company, has accomplished in two years. A new flagship camera that is so popular that only recently has it been available in stock from retailers. Several really excellent new lenses. A new and effective marketing approach that has clearly defined a group of target buyers for OM System products. And now, a solid upgrade new camera to replace the 3 year old E-M5. Many large, well established electronics firms have done far worse in the past two years.
I'm the niche, and I think more people are than people realize. The appeal of a small camera than can do it all is the reason people use cell phones and compact cameras. If OM systems leans into this, people will like it more. It's why I continue to use it.
Indeed, I'm starting to look for a replacement for my trusty but aging Panasonic DMC-GX1, and this seems to fit the bill. Granted, if companies are specifically aiming for customers like me only, they should probably be firing their marketing people…
The problem is that a big chunk of users who look for better IQ and control will be dedicated enough to carry a bit more bulk. The zone between performant enthusiast cameras and phones is looking deader each year, mostly left to low-end, video-focused products. And competition on the enthusiast end is *brutal* , companies can't afford to reheat three year old models. I own an E-M10, but I almost never use it anymore. It's been replaced by my Canon RP. It's a bit larger and heavier, but it's way better in low light, has much more usable AF, better displays, friendlier menus, and it's a lot more responsive. And the RP with the kit lens is cheaper than the OM-5 kit. Of course, one makes some tradeoffs, one always does, but the steady reduction in both the size of 35mm gear, and the available customer pool, means that niche products like MFT must be designed nigh-perfectly to simply not fail.
@@Ildskalli probably yes. I'm not sure how to account for that. The nifty fifties on both formats are similar in length and size. I consider the AF on the 10 Mark 4 fine. However, the Canon plays up much more to the prosumer, and the Olympus plays more to the guy who wants it easy, like a cell phone shooter. In body image stabilization ain't there in the Canon and the Sonys are still bigger, so the niche can be filled. Even for the prosumer, no camera at this price point is this small and weather sealed, so they found that niche, but who cares? OM digital solutions needs to make a Pen smaller, like a GM5, but modern, and they need to bring in the AI denoising from the OM-1 to all the cameras.
The dynamic range and quality seems fine for me shooting micro 4/3rds. I jumped ship from Canon a while back after I rediscovered the fun of photography on the system. I usually go out with my E-PM1 though, a shit camera from 10 years ago with bad controls and a rubbish screen because it's small as shit.
@@funkmon
I think the real problem is that it's uneconomical to market something like the OM-5 but for $700, which is the kind of price point where they'd get people like you on board. You're using an E-PM1 (had one as well, I've owned like 50% of all the cheapo Oly bodies, and most of the Panasonics at some point) so you probably won't spend $1,100 on a new camera. And those who will have a wealth of options open to them. If OMDS want to survive in this environment, they have to make close to the best possible body in each price bracket they decide to compete in. The OM-1 can be argued to do that, but the OM-5... not really.
Is the weather resistance actually any different or did they just choose to rate it on this model? If they couldn't be bothered to update the USB port to USB-C I find it really hard to believe they redesigned the weather sealing.
Agreed.
yes, they have used new type of rubber sealing
If the tripod mount start breaking apart, we'll get confirmation if you hypothesis.
@@Leptospirosi Yeah - I was kind of wondering if they corrected the issue with tripod mount in the laste version
I’m a Olympus E-M5 Mark III vlogger. I was hoping to upgrade. Ow well. No point. My E-M5 is in the shop right now because the right channel of the external mic input stopped working. Also the thumb rest has started to peel off. Wish I could go back to Panasonic, but autofocus is important for vlogging. Guess I’ll keep waiting 😢
Never imagined you would be a fellow M43 user as well!
@@thrallingFRglory yeap, I travel alone, so I need to travel light, hence M43. Plus the weather sealing has helped me vlog in rain a few times when I absolutely had to shoot because I was only in a place for 1 day
The em1x is supposedly a good vlogging camera but it is quite chunky. If you can go to Japan the used prices there are insane. Got mine for 670 usd.
Go om1!
Hey Karl, great vlogs you make. Hope you find the camera which delivers. I helped myself with G110 ...
I love my Olympus gear. The quality/compactness/ergonomics balancing act has been just about perfect for me. One of the bodies I own is the E-M5 II. Although my E-M1 II is clearly the superior model of the two, the E-M5 II is undoubtedly the body I use most often. For me it is just an absolute JOY to use. There is simply a kind of magic in how all of its key attributes come together. One of those attributes, to me, is build quality. My heart breaks knowing that OM Systems has decided to regulate this line of their system to the all too common world of cheap plastic camera materials. The E-M5III and now the OM-5 simply don't have the magic my E-M5 II has. I look forward to upgrading to the OM-1 at some point soon, but I'm disappointed in how the E-M5 line has in some ways 'devolved'. The solidly built little 'powerhouse' camera is no more.
I fully agree. Although I have 3 Sony APS-C cameras, the EM5 mii is the one I almost always reach for unless I have a specific reason to use a Sony. I just love the feel and ergonomics of the EM5 Mii, part of which is that it feels so solid. the extra weight also helping to keep the shot steady. Unless the image quality for stills is much better on the OM5, I suspect that if I got one I would still prefer the EM5 mii !!
no battery grip is so bad..
The E-M5 Mk III has a magnesium frame which holds the lens mount among other things. It has a polycarbonate outer shell, which is use for motorcycle helmets. Polycarbonate is lighter, stronger, and more impact resistant than metal. For aggressive use, I would expect the E-M5 Mk III/OM-5 to withstand drops and impacts with less permanent damage than a metal body. Remember, one of the most impact resistant cameras made is the TG-6 Tough and it is also made of polycarbonate. Olympus knows a thing or two about building tough cameras.
@@gregfeeler6910 yes, I love the TG-6 and am waiting for a TG-7. It's my go to camera for local hikes. My comment about the OM5 body was not about its toughness. I am sure it is very sturdy. It's the weight of the Em5 mark ii in my hand that I like i.e. my comment was more about feel than sturdiness :-)
@@gabithemagyar Oh, I get that- I had an original E-M5, then an E-M1 Mk I, a couple of E-M1 Mk II's, and now an OM-1 (plus one of the E-M1 Mk II's and an E-P5), and I like the heft in the hand. I've also had a TG-1, TG-4, and now a TG-6. What a cool camera!
However, carrying two of my big bodies with three lenses gets a bit heavy at times. The point of my reply was that Olympus reduced the weight of the E-M5 Mk III by 55 grams by using a polycarbonate shell which is likely as strong or stronger then the E-M5 Mk II's metal shell. It's not as astatically pleasing for some, though. Peace.
Great review as always. Thanks Chris and Jordan!
I had high hopes for this camera, but it's really disappointing that they did not update the sensor. A great review nonetheless, as always!
As an OM1 owner, it would be tough to pick this up as a second body. Reverting to the old menu system, lack of usb-c, and lack of subject detection make this feel like I'm not in the new OM ecosystem. To be fair, I shoot mostly birds, so need the bigger grip. Probably wouldn't have purchased it either way.
The rumours keep confusing people waiting for a mini OM1 and they are complaining for getting mini EM1.3. I really enjoyed EM5.3 so far and will enjoy OM5 as they are great cameras. I loved the designed of EM5.3 and I am happy to see the same retro look. I am will only compain about the missing USB Type C
But What about the menu System? For Those using the OM5 as a B Cam alongside the OM1 will be difficult.
@@TITAOSTEIN you are right... This will be my second complain
Excellent review. I guess I vote for “legitimate niche camera” since its hard to find a lightweight weather-sealed camera with those features at that price point. Weather sealing usually comes at a premium and certainly the R10 can’t compete on that point.
You really are the BEST at this sort of thing. I've not really seen anyone who comes close.
It feels kinda... sad. I thought OM1 was "the transitional" camera, and now OM Systems would sweep us with a new, from the ground up, model of OMnessness. I guess they are in more trouble than I hoped for if this is their offer to the run-up to black friday and Xmas.
Nice to see You again. Best regards from Portugal.
In this review, you put more effort into this camera than Om Systems did. You could have simply said, "They put the inner parts of the old EM1 MKIII into the body of the old EM5 MKIII, oh and slightly improved the weather sealing." There, how long did that take? But all credit to you, you managed to produce a detailed 13.45 minute analysis. Thank you for your effort DPReview, try harder OM Systems!
I’ve been an Olympus camera fan since getting my OM-10 over 30 years ago (and I still have it along with an OM-1 film camera). I still use these film cameras for the sheer joy of it with their stock 50mm lens.
I also have a pair of good used medium format Bronica film cameras whose lenses I’m in love with.
I bought my OM-D-EM5iii new just before they released the new OM-1. I don’t use video modes or too many other bells and whistles. When I bought the E5iii my goal was to maintain the old school film simplicity but without the cost of film you see. I have some Panasonic AF lens that it came with but my favourite lens to use with the E5iii is my Voigtlander Nokton 25mm F0.9 manual focus prime lens.
My wife wanted the new OM-1 so she uses that. And I compared the two digital cameras in the field side by side.
To be honest I’m glad I got the E5iii and didn't fall for the temptation to reach for the new release of the OM-1. I’m used to the E5iii's menu, the touch and feel of the controls and the shutter behaviour. I didn’t like all of the additional digital bells and whistles they put into the new OM-1 as it just seemed to add needless layers of complexity.
My wife essentially uses her OM-1 as a point and shoot and that’s what works for her. She wants the high performance but with the simplicity of a point and shoot.
When the o-m 5iii came out I was thinking they are very lazy. No it looks like they have given up completely. A micro usb port for a $1000+ camera? This package may would have worked for an e-m 10 v for $700. Really looking forward what fuji will bring with it's xt5.
I still don't get what is with this micro usb / usb-c blaming? For what you need usb-c for?
@@tomasmikeska For faster charging and file transfer speed and to get rid of one more cable while traveling.
I got it today and... OMG... I have Sony A7III, Fuji XS10 and Fuji XH1. But I gotta say... Just IBIS, it hands down beat out all their IBIS. I handheld 2.5s and get 70-80% hit rate. Longest on A7III I can handheld is 0.5s and definitely less than 1s for XS10 and XH2. Ya the sensor is smaller but it has a lot of amazing features that I really like, e.g. handheld high res, live ND and live composite. Live composite is really great for night long exposure photography.
All the cons... are valid but OM system cameras do still offer good features I wish Sony and Fujifilm offer. Having more completed in camera and allows less editing is really a big plus.
So while everyone else is going bigger sensor size, I am going from full frame to apsc and to m43. I still have my a7iii with me cos it's a low light beast. But I am wanting to bring it out less and less.
I switched to Sony ff and love the incredible focus system but really miss Olympus ibis and rugged build quality. I also love that Olympus incorporates computational photography into their cameras, something entirely missing from my Sony.
I'm digging the look of those nanomorph lenses. Well done, DPreview.
If OM System is competing with itself, I guess you can persuade yourself it's a decent camera. However, the competition offers more at this price point. This should be a 800$ camera at max.
Agreed! This is an OM10 at best: a budget camera with some old hardware and an improved software.
As an early adopter of the EM5mkll I was blown away about how ahead of anything it was: live time, 5stop IBIS, super compact, high Res shot, perspective correction, silent digital shutter, a decent EVF (2014), pc sync port, all things unheard of, even on the EM1. So many professional photographers bought one for REAL work (Lavikka Photography for macros for example).
Look at us now... A budget plastic camera with 6 years old hardware and a new firmware, USB2 and possibly a tripod mount that still breaks apart for the same price the EMII was sold at!
Honestly the em-5 iii body is now discounted everywhere and it's an awesome camera. If you're in the market for an Olympus get the 5-miii for save for the om-1.
Just got the EM5 Mark iii. Nice camera. Getting fairly deeply discounted. Much more functional in some ways than my EM10 Mark ii, though the quality feel of the EM10ii is definitely better with the magnesium alloy body.
I had the E-M10 II and it was an amazing camera. Almost got an E-M5 III, but the discounted Leica TL2 got my money. Incredible picture quality, but the thin body is uncomfortable to hold and I still want the Olympus for the other nice features. 😅
Totally agree. Save big heaps, go for an EM5 mk3. Yes I have one, together with the EM1 mk2 & EM1 mk3, the EM5 mk3 is really handy if you need a light compact camera. Does the job.
OM System cameras have a lot of potential that the company ignores. And I don't really understand why. Essentially there is no other camera that's as light, as feature packed. They could really modernize their camera and improve AI which is their stronghold. They could easily make a splash in the market. Though they prefer just to survive. Maybe they're trying just to have someone in the market to have time to build something really good for the next generation.
P.S. I like that they didn't change the body. I think they should be like apple. Don't change the design when you don't need. That way, they can save money and focus on real work (which they didn't).
Hope they make better choices for next one.
I agree. But I prefer the older M5ii design. Perhaps one of the best looking cameras ever. In my opinion:)
@@ToxicGopher you may be right. I am not saying om5 design is good. I am saying that it is good to keep the design for several generations and instead, work on internals. That way, they could keep the cost down and spend the money where it matters. Look what apple is doing with iphone and no one complains that they keep the same design for 5 years. They are still very successfully selling iPhone se with a design that belongs 5 years ago at least.
@@TelmanRaoofi I agree completely. USB-C and a decent menu is least we can ask for. I have the m5ii, and I doubt I'll ever get rid of it. Just to damn good looking - especially with a 17mm F1.8 attached :)
I don't understand it neither. Panasonic released their best MFT camera for photographers: G9 in late 2017. Then they upgraded G80 to G90 in April 2019. Since then they are silent. I think it branched into two systems: small one like range finder style camera with small fixed prime lenses and big one like DSLR style camera about as big as full frame cameras (which is fine for ergonomics and display) and zoom lenses. Small ones can be justified imho. Big ones - I don't know. Expensive zoom lenses with low aperture on a big body is very versatile system, but one may possibly buy APS or FF camera with regular zooms, possibly worse stabilization for the same price as G9 with Panasonic-Leica lenses.
Most pocketable camera which is basically direct upgrade of GF1+20mm/f1.7 is Fujifilm X100V. It nicely complements my G80 with 12-60mm, 45-150 zooms and olympus 45/f1.8. Of course Panasonic is way more versatile, but I rarely use it since I have Fuji. And I knew it, cause I used GF1 much more than later cameras. But Panasonic focused on high end cameras and video and then gave up and I think Olympus went the same way.
I finally just upgraded to the Mark III even though I knew this was coming out. Basically paid $600 on eBay with 1500 shots on it. Just shot a wedding and was REALLY happy with the results! I am only a tiny bit jealous of this upgrade, but I knew I wasn't going to be able to afford it anyway. :)
I like it as a quick everyday camera. I like the starry night AF in these cameras as I do nightscapes and Milky Way at times. Not bad for the Priceline.
I was specifically amazed at the lacking of USB-C 😮
great to see your video. I had a chance to test out the OM-5 and has similar thoughts about it.
Micro 4/3rds is such a great format. I went from Micro 4/3rds to APS-C to Full Frame and then back down to APS-C and now Micro 4/3rds again. The size of the camera and the size of the glass is unbeatable in my opinion. The beauty of buying a system like this is you have two brands and lots of glass to choose from. I would definitely get this as a travel camera. Perfect size and good choices of smaller lenses. Too bad they did not knock it out of the park but at least they never shelved this body size.
Same here! Started with MFT, dabbled in APS-C, dove head-first into Full Frame....and now I'm back with my first love (never sold my MFT lenses btw)😬
y'all just indecisive
The biggest miss from this camera is not using the new menu system from the OM-1. Using the legacy menu system from the EM-line instead of OM-line sends a mixed signal to consumers on OM technology direction with their products. Perhaps this will be corrected with a firmware update (hopefully). If OM.S reduces their product line to: OM-1, OM-5 & Pen, then the OM-5 product makes sense. The final question is will their be an OM-1x?
I'd buy an OM-1x if its lineage mirrors the EM1x. The OM-1 is a joy to use and I hope it's not a swansong product
tbh the menu still looks like the evolt e-510 or something, lol.
I very much appreciate your objective reviews! As an additional camera for leisure this is still very good, as is the E-M5 III. The price point is somewhat high for this market.
I'm a big fan of Olympus, because of their color science and the amazing IBIS, but this camera is not the upgrade I was hoping for.
it's not an Olympus either...... Olympus died..R.I.P.
@@deltatom2459 OM stands for "Olympus Maitani". It is an Olympus.
@@RyougiVector I love Olympus, but this is a different company, different management, and different name. A reason for me not to buy. Hard to explain to somebody that's an Olympus if id does not say on the camera.
@@deltatom2459 Correct, Olympus no longer make camera's.
@@deltatom2459 Olympus did not die. They sold the imaging division of Olympus to JIP. This very same imaging division is now called OMDS. Olympus still retains a 5% interest in OMDS.
I have owned the E-M5 MkIII for a year now and I really like this camera. The OM System disappointed me with the premiere of the OM-5, especially when we look at the price of the new model and the very successful OM-1. For me so far, only buying the OM-1 makes sense.
such a shame, I have the e-m5iii and it is the most compact best stabilised system you can get. amazing combo with the 9mm f1.7 from panasonic. I love it but it's sad to see they're not making any worthwhile advances here.
I feel that this should be OM System's Flagship Camera, but instead it's languishing with old tech and dated ports. The same is true for pancake lenses that are getting old. I would like to see a revival of reengineered pancake lenses for the m43 system; the panasonic 14mm, 20mm and olympus 17mm all need love.
This is what I want: high end, compact, unparallel technology.
Heck, even if you go bigger. go crazy and make the impossible a reality: a 45mm f0.8 with AF. take a leaf from sony's playbook and do something truly amazing.
Advances are made in the OM1, not in the budget version off course
@@key253 I know that. Yet with that camera I feel they are competing in a market that doesn't care for those advances as much / except for the wildlife photographers - because those do appreciate the extra chunk of the OM1. Everyone else, including me, wants the smallest possible kit with the highest possible image quality.
@@stoikerty Yes you are right. It should be the flagship, because light weight is what MFT is all about. I never understood the heavy 1.2 lenses. Light weight like the Nikon 300mm f4 for instance that is 500 grams lighter and cheaper!
I came to the same conclusion on my review. Thank you
Man I was such a big Olympus fan. The E-M5 Mark 1 got me into photography as a major hobby/side-gig. I thought OM System was going to carry on the legacy with the OM-1 being such a good start.
This feels like a massive step backwards. :(
I'm still using an original E-M5 MK1, and can't see any reason to "upgrade" or change brands. It's a great camera.
@@colb3590 still one of my favorite cameras, to be sure.
it's a new company now... Olympus is gone... OM System is here..... if they just showed their company strategie ...than good night...
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I have been shooting the EM1 Mkii for years and still love it. I want this camera. The 12-45 pro is perfect for it.
So it’s settled. I’m going full frame. Thanks for the review!
Nice camera. Very tempted to buy one to replace my E-M1 Mark II. Nice camera in a very compact jacket.
No USB-C in 2022?
I guess this reviews been in the making haha. Crazy how it went from this to snow in a day.
Good honest review. I was a big fan of Olympus and started with the PEN EP-1. Then after some E-PL's i went through all EM 1's. The peak of excitement was reached with the EM1 MK II. What a camera and features! It felt special and advanced. Since then I don't see any improvements. The drive has gone and OMD had the chance to push the system forward but they missed it. Well ... as I have seen no future with this brand, now I have sold my E-M1 III and all my Pro-Lenses and bought a cheap EM-10 II and use my old small lenses like the 45 1.8 or my beloved 12 mm or the great tiny 14 2.5 and I just enjoy it as in the beginning of the system. For all my advanced stuff I take out my Sony System ...
Been using my really old inexpensive pen ep1 for years . Have many photos published in books and magazines from stock photography . I'm a hack and not a real professional but those old pen cameras were amazing for such a small package IMHO. Looking to upgrade without breaking the bank and not have to buy new lenses. Now I'm really confused . Any sugestions
@@riviecc If you don’t want to change the system I would buy a used Olympus E-M1 II. You get it cheap and the camera is really really good. You also get features other brands even don’t offer. If a system change is an option a cheap but very good buy is the Fuji X-T2 with some used lenses. Most of them are not to expensive but superb and the system is still not to large and has a future because development goes further.
Olympus, uhm, sorry, OM System going full Pentax here. I gave them the benefit of the doubt after they released just one body, but now after the second one the situation starts to look dire.
This was kind of expected, though. But you know what? Hope never dies.
The only positive thing is that they at least maintain the product lines, so you don’t have to get rid of previously purchased lenses & other accessories from the Olympus system.
I will happily continue using my Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III, but I am not sure I will ever buy a product from OM System.
I have an EM5 Mark 3 and seeing this released initially made me excited. Now, however, I'm happy to wait until I can afford either something better or just use the money this camera costs to get a cool new lens. LiveND and starry sky autofocus would be nice additions, but I'm not going to pay $1,200 for something I can do manually and have been doing for years. New lens it is!
I was an early adopter of the Olympus MFT cameras and have still have the original OM-D E-M5, the E-M1 II, and the Pen F. I love the size and general handling of the Olympus cameras and they have some outstanding lenses but the sensor technology is ancient and I have issues with image processing when using Olympus cameras in extreme lighting conditions that I don't have in Nikon cameras. I will soon be rationalising my Olympus camera and lens line up. On my most recent vacation, I took a Nikon Z-fc and the slow 18-140mm zoom and it was perfectly fine. I just feel Olympus and OM Systems lost it quite a few years back and are just marking time on a minimal development budget. I cannot believe that OM Systems haven't implemented USB-C. That's just laziness, likewise the failure to update the menu system.
Agree. The micro USB is not a good sign and make people wonder what happens to the culture of the company. I’m still using a 7 years old PenF today I find no camera to update (and not really necessary yet)
Great review and saved me the dissatisfaction of getting another camera of compromise. Thank you..
Lots of your replies are a little mean 😢 I would definitely buy this one compared to my E-M5 ii. It has more features and is much lighter and more weatherproof. So good on you OM systems, I’m saving my pennies. 😊
If they’re “mean” because people are pointing out that OM System re-released the same body with the same features, so be it. Not even an incremental upgrade, and they few things they added could have also been added to the EM-5 MKIII via firmware update. Only a fanboy would be excited about this release. This is a cash grab for OM System.
The biggest fault is not adding the new menu system, many people who upgraded to the OM-1 might have wanted to have a smaller lighter backup, but not when the menu systems are so different.
As a long time Olympus user going back to the film OM1, I hate seeing their cameras being dogged, although the issues ARE real. I just want to see what the new EM1 will do. It better deliver or I think Olympus is going to have some harsh realities hit them.
Nice to see a negative review. So many youtube reviewers just seem like paid advertisers nowadays. Great job DPReview!
Hmm. I'm exactly the niche user you described. I just want something lightweight to take pictures of the family around the house and on vacation. I still have my Em5 mk1 and want to upgrade but don't want to change systems and have to sell my lenses. But this doesn't bode well for the future of the company. Not sure it's worth investing anymore in the system
Had been looking for an upgrade to my dated Canon 5D mk2. The light weight and portability of this M43 camera is very appealing to me.
My biggest gripes are the lack of USB-C and a joystick. Wondering if it is possible for the new menu system to be a firmware update - along with improved subject detection - for both the OM-5 and my E-M1 III?
great review.
When Olympus decided in June 2020 to sell its camera division to a private equity company noted only for buying Sony's Vaio computer division and doing very little to make it viable, many of us Olympus users thought this was the end of the line. The new owners, Japan Industrial Partners (JIP), didn't do much to alter that impression until they released the OM-1 earlier this year. It wasn't exactly a breakthrough camera, but it built on the strengths of Olympus and added some nice new features. So, maybe there was reason for optimism among Olympus fans and evidence not to dump their gear just yet?
With this weak update of the OM-D EM5 Mark III, that optimism is questionable. I suspect that the OM-1 was what Olympus engineers and designers had turned over to JIP as they sold the company, not something that JIP created on its own. This OM-5 appears at best an effort to tread water for JIP, hoping to float on whatever revenue it returns for basically zero investment in R&D. The final test will be in whatever OM System does with the next body it releases. But I'd say the likelihood of JIP producing something that keeps up with Sony, Canon, or even Fuji or Nikon is low. After all, when's the last time you heard about a really impressive new Vaio laptop?
What do you shoot ? I’m a sony user but looking for something small for bird photography, is olympus good for this ? Thanks
I really like my EM-5 MIII. It is the smallest, lightest camera that I shoot with. I thought OM-System would upgrade it more from my camera. No need to upgrade or should I say side-grade from what I have.
I mean it's got new text on the prism. That's something. My first mirrorless system was the OMD EM 10 iii, I totally agree that it's a low effort camera to bring for vacations or day trips. Wondering if they should have introduced ONE killer feature to distinguish the brand launch.
The most accurate description of the OM system situation is: "garage sale" What is left of Olympus is monetized. This is a requiem. No development means no future.
"we went on a family vacation jordan and I" I knew it, you two are so cute together.
I really don't understand what the camera companies are thinking. They make a new start with the OM-system, develop a new menu system etc and then they don't include it in the OM5? If you are building a system you want a seamless user experience between your different models. People who are invested in the system might use the OM1 as their main camera and OM5 as the second body, then it makes absolutely no sense to not include the upgraded menu system and similar features. Lazy cripple hammer update. Once upon a time the EM5 ii was a ground breaking camera with many features that the older flagship did not have. The new OM5 just seems like an uninspired crippled OM1. Glad that I sold my m43 gear and moved on to other systems. The only thing I miss are the really small telephoto lenses. Fuji tend to make oversized zooms and with Sony being full frame telezooms get big.
Better to stay with older Olympus cameras or get OM1. I still think that older Olympus cameras with 12/25/45/75 prime lens is more than enough for most amateur photographers for stills.
Loved the bleep on *AF
Jordan shooting anamorphic now?
Lovely picture, really lovely.
I guess this camera is aimed at those who want a small, compact, and capable camera but don't need the bells and whistles (and price) of the OM-1. I think the omission of the OM-1 menu system is a huge own goal though. I shot Canon for the last 14 years and because of the menu system and its high level of consistency, it takes minutes to get used to a new Canon camera. OMS should have done the same I feel.
I ordered one today for precisely the reason you give. Going high in the Himalayas, and I want a weatherproof smallish camera with good picture quality. Ticks my boxes
@@TwoUpTourer How did it work out for you?
The EM5III is one of my favorite cameras to shoot. It’s a fun camera to use. I left Olympus/OM System products. The new products are too little, too late.
I love using the em5miii. I had been using the x100v but coming back to em5iii felt great. Ergonomics and speed is something that shouldn’t be taken lightly. I have both cameras.
May I ask what system you moved to? I've had the barebones em10 mk III for a couple of years and even I am struggling to find reasons to upgrade to the OM-5.
Hope you are enjoying your new nanomorphs Jordan 😁
When is the final fuji xh2 review coming? Can't wait for it!
Seems like they put in the updates they had ready to go. I suspect the main reason for this release was to get more of the line under the OM Systems brand. Certainly not enough to upgrade from the EM5 III I bought only a year ago.
You know, I wish Fuji offered some of those 'fun' features. Live Composition would be awesome to have, same as the ND feature.
Em-5 mk2 owner happy to see mk3 droping in price over the mk4 incremental change.
Hi! Please tell me, can I put LOW ISO (64) when I record 4k video? Because the lowest iso in this mode is 200 but sometimes it's too much😞
Pentax just pulled the same trick with the KF. It’s a K70 rebadged with a couple changes, but basically a 2016 camera.
Looking to switch out of my Nikon D7500 + 18-200 lens, for something lighter and more compact my shortlist was down to the EM5 iii or the Fuji X S10. As they are both old, I have been waiting to see what came out now, and the OM 5 would have been ideal - if it had a better sensor, charging port, menu etc etc etc. 😢 maybe I should wait now for the Fuji X S 11?🤔
Guess I will hold onto my E-M5 IIII. I have great glass now and two bodies I take out each time, the other is my E-M10 IV.
"We need to show our investors that we're working, let's just update some firmware and release as a new camera"
The EM5iii came out in 2019. A short three years later they are coming out with an updated version that adds some new nice to have features. Will it make anyone with the relatively new EM5iii camera run out to buy one? Probably not. For those shooting the older 16mp sensors it might be a nice upgrade. Do people really want their expensive camera equipment to become quickly "dated" and part of the yearly "new phone frenzy" so many people are involved in? I see the OM1/ OM5 in the same light as the old Nikon F/ Nikkormat camera lines - professional vs. enthusiast cameras that share interchangeable lenses and have minor upgrades made every few years. Do we as photographers upgrade our image making skills every year and need the latest equipment to do so? (Olympus Fanboy since 1975😉)
Two weeks ago I upgraded my carry-around camera - an E-M10MkII - to the E-M5MkIII because it was $300 off. What I've seen about the OM-5 so far makes me glad I went for the discounted older model. Despite the (few) new features there isn't anything that is worth the extra money for what I needed and wanted. And still no USB-C or updated menu? WTF?
By the way, can the menu system be updated through firmware?
That's exactly what i just did! The EM5 Mk iii artived on the say of the OM5 launch yesterday! Feels likexa good move at a decent price.
What's with the black slivers in the upper left and lower right? It only happens with the anamorphic video from the GH6.
Live composite would be pretty cool to have on other manufacturer bodies! This really does seem like another attempt to just bring the OM-D E5 into relevancy, but it still doesn't really stand out.
I think its a bargain. For almost half the money you have most of the features of the OM1: same IBIS, handheld hi-res, Pro-Capture, perspective correction (every architect should have an OM camera), Live ND. The only things missing are the AF options ( should have been more important than de handheld hi-res) and the menu system. But it is 180 grams less heavy! That's almost two fantastic 1.8 OM lenses! And 20 MP is enough.
I load my batteries always on a charger, so I don't understand all the fuzz about the USB port. OK the OM1 is better, but you pay for that and you have to carry that weight. While the most important feature of the OM system are the whole bunch of light weight and affordable 1.8 lenses. Combined with the IBIS it's a fantastic combination. Handheld in any situation.
My only problem with the OM5 is the swivel LCD screen. It is more stills orientated, not mainly a vlogging camera. The PL10 should be for vlogging, without an EVF.
It's a pity that most of the comments follow the negative tone that Chris has set.
I was hoping for the new menu system on the OM-1, USB-C, same stacked sensor, etc. Looks like I will go with my original decision - the OM-1.
Micro USB in 2022 is a joke. I could work with one SDXC card slot but the OM-5 doesn't even have the same battery as the OM-1.
What is with the black areas/lines in the top left & bottom right of the video (not in the b-roll footage)?
Thank you for the review - I think you were honest. I love my EM5 Mk3 and there is absolutely nothing in this new camera that makes me want to upgrade. OM1 on the secondhand market is probably my next camera - at least it has ‘Olympus’ on it and I’ve already got the lenses. I can’t see this camera bringing any new users to M4/3s unfortunately… it’s a dud 😢
How was the digital viewfinder? Did they use the higher res viewfinder from the OM-1, or stick with the older EM-5iii / EM-1ii viewfinder? And as regards niche, with the small size, light weight and IP53 weather sealing, this is a mountaineer's camera. I'd take it on a hard hike pushing my limits, where even the mass of an OM-1 seems like a lot.
It's a shame. I'm a user of OMD-5 II and I'll stick with that. I really appreciate the ruggedness and mostly the portability. However, I had an opportunity to try mark III and it has some nice features but also some features have been abandoned. And this camera doesn't flash the light for that "I need it now".
On this camera do you move the focus square around the screen using the D pad? Can you increase and decrease the size of the focus squares?
I'd been looking to upgrade my E-M10 body for a while but kept putting that off because I didn't want to switch systems. I was hoping the OM-5 would be just right, but now... I feel like I should move to Fujifilm or something...
Secondhand EM10ii perhaps? Metal body. Drop dead gorgeous. Probably very cheap too as an upgrade for original EM10.
Or an EM5iii. Not such nice body but feels good and discounted right now. Much better focusing than the early models definitely. Or even an EM5 mk ii or a bigger EM1 Mk ii.
On my older Olympus camera I could use the d-pad to move a focus box around the screen. Does the OM 5 still have this feature?
Do you have already snow up there?! OMG
When you look up "disappointing" in the dictionary, you will find a picture of this camera.
Star AF is also in Lumix cameras, only there it's automatic and tries to focus on everything else before it looks for stars.
I wish Panasonic would at least iteratively like this upgrade the G90.
Guess this explains why the E-M5 Mark III was on sale. Heh, I bought the older one and had no idea this one existed. Guess I've got something to look forward to upgrading to one day. Though I'll probably be happy with the one I've got until two more generations have come out. :P
I get why they would stick with the old body design, but not upgrading the menu system and charging port at the very least just seems lazy
Hi. As a family portrait shooter I would like to know if this cameras auto focus would bring an recognizable advantage over my current main camera, which is the Pen F.
I'm fully bought in to Fujifilm's X system, but that live composite mode is tempting. Maybe I'll pick one up used sometime down the line.
Fujifilm has it in the X-T200 and X-A7. No idea why they don't include it in all their cameras. The only reason I can think of is that those are bayer type sensor cameras and somehow the x-trans sensor is not suitable for live composite.
@@Aleksilausti oh neat! I have an X-A7 and I never heard of that feature. I'll have to give it a shot! I really like the Bayer sensor, actually. I get photos I really like with it
@@scottnelleit is called Light Trail on Fuji cameras and works just as well as live composite on Olympus and OM system. I also like the bayer sensor Fujis.
@@Aleksilausti cool, thanks!
This camera will drive people to Pentax.
I don’t get that Star Sky AF. Wouldn’t be enough to focus at infinity with manual focus?
frankly, i believe that it is not for those who wants something new, but infact someone who wanted some of the em1.3 feature in a compact EM5 body. OMDS has tried to make it as affordable as possible. if I am a new photographer who needed those EM1.3 feature, i would buy the OM5. as for now, I am still using old cameras.
Tbh with its weather sealing and compactness it would be great for whitewater sports where you need to hike into a wet gorge and scramble across rocks to get the shot or video you need. Would probably also be good for snow sports for the same reasons
Hi I am delighted if the ND feature means you don't need a tripod for smooth water pictures. This may be the decider for me! I notice the omd em1 miii has in built ND filters too. Does anyone know if you still need a tripod when using this feature with this camera? Many thanks
Does it have the my menu feature from the e-m1 iii and does it let you use auto iSo in manual movie mode? I personally don’t see what is wrong with it. I have the e-m5 iii and traded my e-m1 iii for the om-1. When I travel I want the lightest camera and have wished in the last year for the basically the e-m1 iii comp features in the e-m5 iii body as I’ve gotten addicted to the live ND and HHHR but don’t want to carry the om-1, if I’m going for a long walk or backpack that size difference is noticeable. Im going to get it. Also I would point out, this is the best evf for glasses wearers with its long eyepoint
which is the best camera for plane video spotting ?