Will still buy (and just did) MFT camera in 2024 Just got a OM1 with 100-400, as a birder that want light weight gear that I can walk for long period with, MFT are pretty much the only choice apart from something like P950 or a spotting scope with phone mount My girlfriend is using a EM5 with 75-300, that thing is so lightweight and compact it is incredible
I agree it makes sense still. I did the math(s) before I bought an OM1, and for birding (and most things) it was much cheaper than getting the same feature set (except the low-light performance) in a FF camera. My P8P just doesn't do the same as my OM1. When I have the long lense on the OM1 I do often take a quick landscape with my P8P, and its good but not as good.
I also just bought an OM-1 + 12-40mm II + Zuiko 100-400mm and I'm (I assume, like you) super excited about the capabilities of the combo. Incredible value for the price compared to FF. First time MFT owner. 😊
@@tim1398 It's not the same feature set though, without the ISO performance, as birding is hungry for light. It's like saying that a Smart car is the same for farm work as an F150, and the Smart car takes up less space...as long as you're not planning to haul anything.
@@HappyHubris I think it depends, if you are the kind of birder like want good photos, FF will produce better results at most situation, especially low light as you said. But on the other side of the spectrum birder like me that like running around looking for rare birds and new lifer, so I'm somewhat OK with some bad photos as long as I got one With that said, the last time I was doing bird guide work I met a dude who run around on trails with me carrying a 600 4.0 and R3, I don't know how
I'm fully in the micro 4/3s camp. It's where i started but i got seduced by the idea of full frame. However the reality of dealing with those monstrous, large lenses day in day out ruined the pleasure of photography and i ended up rarely taking my camera with me. Now I'm back with micro 4/3s my camera comes everywhere with me again. Loving photography and getting way more awesome shots than i ever did will full frame.
Considering how fantastic smartphones do at taking photos these days, there's really no excuse for sensor size being a limiting factor. If you want to have quality glass and reach, it makes more sense to focus on smaller, more compact, portable equipment. M4/3 is far more suitable for this. It's a smaller sensor, easier to make with fast readout speeds, easier to stabilize, and computational features are what make smartphones better than they should be. This is something M4/3 should focus on. OM System is doing this somewhat, but it just doesn't seem like either they or Panasonic will double down on it. Panasonic thinks they're Red, and OM System is too busy rebadging models they already have as "new" and "better" while raising prices. Quit already. Quit with tiny batteries and slow processors, compared to smartphones. Toss real batteries with some good ARM processors in, with adequate memory, and program some good computational features. If a phone can pull dynamic range out of the dark, then why not a sensor multiple times larger? I don't think it's sensor size that is the limiting factor. Everything we need really could be made out of this format. It's up to manufacturers.
I always used M43 until recently when I tried a top quality full frame (Sony) with two good lens, medium and long range. I soon discovered that I had made a big mistake and rapidly moved back to M43.
Thanks for sharing! I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
@@jroynorris2963 Thanks for sharing! I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
@@jonathanscherer8567 Thanks for sharing! I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
Being older and budget limited, I can't justify spending $2k on ANY camera body. I rely on people who can justify spending that much so I can buy their prior cameras and lenses. In the last 2 years I've bought an Olympus E-M1 and about a dozen different lenses for various applications for well under $1500 total. No pro lenses, but the results are still darn good and perfectly adequate for my needs.
I think it makes sense to the MFT veteran with lots of cool glass, who also wants the new product warranty. Remember, bodies are a mistress, glass is a marriage. I think it's also for those who are very interested in how Panasonic does its... Thing. All the line specific features and beneficial quirks. UX ergos. But aren't really ready, willing, or desiring a bag of heavier full frame LM glass. I also also think it's for 2021 me, who bought a GH5ii and didn't keep it because the autofocus was totally bunk for gimbal work. I returned it and bought an FX3. But if I could have bought the GH7 then, I'd have done so and kept it.
ive been using lumix since 2016, and the glass part is starting to really annoy me. they have only made like 2 new lenses the last 5 years and still dont bother updating any of the older glass with weather sealing
@@doublevgreen I mean there are a few missed chances with the weather sealing, especially on the more expensive stuff (like the 15mm or the 42.5mm 1.2) and they took some time to update the 25mm 1.4 but like what lens is really missing in the MFT lineup? Unless it's exotic like a tilt shift or something they have a lot of options. Got the 9mm last year so I'm kinda covered from 9mm to 400mm.
Yeah, I really hope we get a new compact MFT camera with PDAF and even weather sealing. The great strength of the system is the flexibility, and being able to choose a capable but still dust & drip resistant body is a huge benefit both for everyday pocket family and street shooting, and especially for light hiking and wildlife.
Solid point at 53:00. We have both Canon (C70, R3, R5) and the GH-series cameras for our show. These days, if I need to bring just one camera for video and photos I bring the R3. That said, I was shooting the Kenya Safari Rally for the Skoda team a couple years ago (at the time I had the R5, but the R3 was still on order) so I brought two GH5 MkIIs (with the full range of Lumix lenses up to the 50-200 with a doubler.) Ended up getting one iconic shot of a famous race driver and some great video for the Skoda team... and yes, had to manually focus pretty much everything. - Ryan
GH7 and G9 II both make a lot of sense to those of us with a long history of using hybrid cameras. The GH7 is just about as good as it gets for hybrid mirrorless cameras right now, in the under-$2500 price category. The G9 II is almost equally good for stills, but lacks a fan for extended recording in hot weather. And if you need the most advanced video modes, the GH7 is the pick. I simply don't want to travel with big, heavy, expensive full frame lenses. I am perfectly willing to accept 13+ stops of dynamic range instead of 14+ on the S5 II/IIX. I'm not a fan of super-shallow depth of field. My eyes have fixed focus cataract replacement lenses, so deep DOF does not bother me. What the GH7 offers is the best AV features in its form factor. The audio is especially sweet for those of us who do not want a separate audio recorder in the way of our run-and-gun tactics for recording video.
I have a s5ii and an Olympus em5mkii, the quality out of my em5mkii is great - the main thing that annoys me is actually the main benefit. The tiny body is fiddly to use and UI on it is a nightmare for me. The s5ii is heavy but I LOVE the UI. It's just a pleasure to use. The gh7 or g9ii would be awesome but then at the same body size as the s5ii you're starting to get into marginal returns. It's a tough spot. A g9ii would save you on weight but if you want to do low DoF portraits, you're picking up something like a voigtlander 42.5 .95 and you have the option but on a g9ii, now you're over the weight of a s5ii and 85mm 1.8. it's a tough target to hit to have something universally useful but also compact and light. I think the real future will be in new materials. Making a carbon fiber composite camera and lenses would be amazing tech if it could be made affordable.
@@karikaru Yeah, that's my main issue as well, I enjoy the smaller lenses and weight but my hands are too big for me to use my MFT camera for anything beyond family photos and occasionally some landscape and animal stuff. But I definitely enjoy having my little Lumix as an extra camera for some use cases
I was at one of the premier tourist destinations in the world the other week, as in more tourists than locals everywhere. I saw more cameras than expected in hands and around necks. One or two Sony FF, one or two Canon 5DIII or Nikon 750, and just thousands upon thousands of MFT and APS-C cameras everywhere. The consumer seems to be speaking a clear language.
Same here! I use an OM-1 with the Oly 12-100 F4 for an (almost) one and done travel lens. I usually also take a small fast prime appropriate for indoors/low light in whatever length is appropriate for where I’m going. The whole set up would fit into something a little larger than a fanny pack. The quality of the current generation MFT higher end bodies is fantastic. Perhaps if I wanted a new career as a professional wildlife photographer I’d consider investing $30k in some FF gear, but I’m just the stereotypical physician who takes some photos for fun. And sometimes they’re ok.
@@SonyAlphaVisions Prove it then bod, cause there countless of blind tests and no one can tell a difference even at 100% zoom in. People do not care at the end of the day, what you taken picture of in the right lightning is a lot more important, buy a medium format camera if you really want ultimate picture quality, Hasselblad not those cheap Fuji ones.
Back in 1976 I worked on the Dakota Photo Documentary Project. I was unhappy with my "miniature" 35 mm. negatives when taking scenic shots, so I bought a beautiful wooden Nagaoka flatbed field 4x5 view camera. It was a delight to use, but taking 20 photos was a full day's work. At the time, I was using an Olympus OM-1, and unlike the other photographers on the project, I didn't use a camera bag. The lenses were so small they fit into my coat pockets. When I switched to digital, I stayed with Olympus because of that "small size" feature. I carried that over in my farming business. Instead of having a standard pickup truck, I used a minivan because 90% of the time it was more useful than a pickup. When I needed to carry bigger loads, I used a one-ton dually with 12 foot contractor's bed, grain box, and hoist. Like in the video, use the appropriate technology.
Thanks for sharing! I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
Chris's summation of why Jordan changes cameras for videos regularly is spot on, in my view. And in my work, I have found that FF sensors and lenses are actually a limitation for me. µ4/3rds is really the sweet spot for video, and take perfectly good stills, too. We settled on µ4/3rds years ago for our YT work and for our for-sale video products, and we used FF, APS-C and µ4/3rds aide by side for a year before making this decision. And the µ4/3rds lenses are superb. Great work, gentlemen.
Thank you for this podcast, I look forward to it every week! I have no friends that are interested in photography so no one to talk to ...so listening to you guys is like hanging with my favorite photo friends. Thank you
Invested heavily in Olympus / OM Systems MFT bodies and lenses in 2023 and 2024 as I migrate from Nikon DSLRs. The full frame dogma has no sway on me. I love the pictures I'm taking now and I've never been more creative and inspired.
Full frame isn't dogma, it is scientific fact and physics of light. Your confusing the subjective and objective. Does full frame let you take better pictures - yes. And no. It's simply a matter of 'quality'. How much are you willing to pay for that quality compared to the content of what you are capturing.
@@davey3765 BTW, I'm hoping some medium format acolyte comes in here and roasts you for taking pictures with that tiny FF sensor. Now don't confuse subjective with objective.
You are doing well, I live in the UK and as a m43 user myself have hardly ever seen a m43 camera in the wild. Though dedicated cameras in general are becoming less common with the ubiquitous mobile phones ruling the roost 😞
That’s an old one. It’s like the photographic movement that came up in, I think it was, the 1970s. That was called “pre-visualization”. The whole concept of visualization is that it occurs before you plan your shoot. Your beginning concept. So, what exactly was that?
I have the same rationale as Chris on his stance on a $2000 m43 camera. And I did with an OM1ii along with my past purchase history on a GX9, G9, EM5ii etc. the modern m43 sensors to me, as a hobbyist, is “good enough” because my circle of friends and family only use an iPhone. And while I can see a difference between my full frame gear and my m43 gear, the difference is almost splitting hairs to me, but the weight and size savings are drastic.
Thanks for sharing! I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
I fully agree with what you mentioned here and it makes sense, for personal use MFT makes perfect sense . my strategy is to collect cheap FF DSLR when I feel the itch to take some FF landscapes and use MFT for pretty much every other scenarios . Family outings , meetups , travel MFT is perfect . I am planning a trip to AFRICA with my family and MFT is going to be perfect .
@@photographer8486 get the samyang F1.8 lens, they are small and light. Just start off with a 35mm and 75mm. That should keep you covered with a light weight and cheap lens. Not sure if you need a wide angle but most times, 35mm will suffice. Further down the road, Samyang 24mm F1.8 will fill that wide angle need. In terms of low light, the F1.8 will edge out the F2.8 zooms and will give you better bokeh in good light (day light) conditions. Only downside is the need to having change lens. For a one lens option, just get a 35mm. These lens might not be as good as Sony GM lens for fast focusing in fast motion scenarios, but good enough for static shots with moderate motion.
MFT in 2024 - heck yeah. The balance of lens size, ergonomics, affordability, the importance of stabe, capabilities and feature set means MFT Lumix all the way for me. The only exception is Product Showcase on the ZV-E10, but that is a small need for me. 90% of the time I use Lumix. The original G9 is still my first choice for stills. I get fabulous results out of that camera. But for video, I am saving up for a GH7, and until I get that, I am happy to keep chugging along with my GH5 II.
The Pen-F in 2016 was $1199 body only, m43 had a bigger share of the market back then even just taking interest into account would be near $1600 . With smaller potential sales numbers in all likelihood it would be more. Assuming you wanted the latest high end features and excellent design and build of the original I would not be surprised if it would be as pricey at launch as say the OM-1 II
@@jimstirling7223 Thanks for sharing! I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
I would absolutely totally instantly buy the GH7, if I did not already own and love the GH6 😊 might get a GH7 at some later point if I have GAS again, but currently no need
At about 51:57, you mentioned recommending the best camera for someone starting out. I had that come up thrice, all during the "film age". One was where a first cousin going to Switzerland, another was my sister going to Japan, and another senior cousin going on a full Asian tour about 6 months, wow. And, there are three funny stories about how they worked out. And, another thing is when someone comes up to you and asks what car should buy.
I’m late but I want to say thanks for answering my question about Uncompressed Raw on last week’s podcast! The GH7 episode was also a great insight into videography as I’m learning video work for a new job On zoom lenses, why arent there more Power Zoom lenses? As someone that had carpal tunnel syndrome, I appreciated having one button to do the zoom instead of twisting my hand every so often. I still keep my A6300 and 18-105 F4 as a backup or a B-cam when someone wants to assist and dont have a camera.
Why should the best and newest mft camera cost less than other new top cameras? I don‘t understand this thinking. A Sony Alpha 6700 or even A7 IV is so worse in many things. They have a lot of rolling shutter, something about 10fps raw in continuous shooting mode, and the electronic shutter is nearly useless. The Canon R7 and lower versions have the same problem with rolling shutter. And there are no lenses for canon aps-c. On the other side there is the G9 II and GH7 with great subject detection and subject tracking, 60fps raw shooting in continuous shooting mode. A lot of very good lenses in every price range. I think mft is still a great choice. And if I go hiking I can take a 50-200mm f2.8-4 lense, a 12-35mm f2.8, a 9mm f1.7 and maybe a macro lense with me. And I don‘t even need a backpack for all this. If I want to cover this focal length range in just as good quality with my Canon equipment, for my R6 II, then it will be much heavier and more expensive.
They're more than capable for portraits as well... adventure and art shows that they do just fine. The problem is that a lot of reviewers aren't good photographers. So while a camera might not be good for them bc you can't crop in or do all these things to fix your mistakes... it could be perfect for a skilled professional that knows their system and body well
"And if I go hiking I can take a 50-200mm f2.8-4 lense, a 12-35mm f2.8, a 9mm f1.7 and maybe a macro lense with me. " Because with a M43 sensor those operate like a F5.6-F8, F5.6 and F3.4. And then the question becomes, "Why am I paying $2K+ for bad low-light performance and a phone look." I shoot 1" sensor for hiking and general purpose, but I wouldn't overspend on a 1" body due to the limitations. Same thing for M43.
@@nickguzman1734 Yes, al those pro photographers eschew M43 for FF due to just being terrible at their jobs. It has nothing to do with the look or the low light performance. Clearly they're just all too stupid to realize how amazing M43 is. *sigh*
@HappyHubris and this, folks is what happens when people in society are unable to apply any nuance in discussions. You get clowns like this making dumb black and white comments
For a hiking stills camera, it’s not all about the headline features, but about all the nuance that rarely get talked about that make me love the om system flagship cameras. 99% of the pictures I take would make zero difference with a full frame sensor and I save a lot of weight. The real key to stunning nature photos in today’s world is post processing,… not the sensor size.
Re: Saying "post": I come from a video background from my high school film classes, and so when I hear or use "post", I hear/mean "post production". So I don't see a problem with saying "post" when "post" can also mean "post production" which is just any work done after principle shooting (video or photo) to finalize the image like editing your raw files.
@@Healthy_Toki Jordan and I have always agreed about Lumix MFT stuff - and I think we both felt that although the S5ii/x are great, they don't quite compare to what the GH5 was - the GH7 is everything I've been wanting in a video camera. I went full frame for autofocus but with a lot of compromises (worse IBIS, worse rolling shutter, crops in higher frame rates, heat limitations, big expensive heavy lenses etc etc etc) FX30 was a little in between that's been treating me well but i think the GH7 is 100% replacing that as my main video shooter. I also think the next Lumix flagship Full Frame camera will push near $5K so that prices it out for a lot of people (that didnt bother an a7siii either) GH7 is the golden choice for cost and features.
Sell your sets and buy a gh7 with two lenses that fill your needs and use the extra money on some videography vacay. Sounds like you wouldn't regret it one bit after clicking "add to shopping cart"
@@badbunnyTUBE Thanks for sharing! I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
@@photographer8486 sorry, gonna be long one 😅 the best camera is the one that you have with you so make that a priority. Technical pros and cons will just affect a very small portions of what you do. I started and continue with a mft camera because the stability and reach is something i love and rarely shoot in dim lighting. After a g85 i moved to a g9 and was content for a long time. That coupled with the kit lense 12-60 and a 100-400 make a killer setup for aything other than night time or indoors photography. I live in Finland so it's pretty dark most of the time but i haven't run into issues except on the situations above and even for those i have a voigtländer 17.5mm 0.95 lense. For me these filled my needs but after getting a kid, like most hobbies, something changed. I left my camera most of the time home because i couldn't operate it with one hand. I fixed this with buying a 10yo fuji x100 for a few hundred € and have loved it so much (and that camera is janky af but it's many limitations are oushined by it's few thing it got of so right such as the overall tactile feeling of operating it). I even bit the bullet and shoot only jpegs with the fuji to lower the barrier of using it. What i'm saying is that get the camera that will be at your side as much as possible. You only learn by DOING and so called limitations will only challenge you and make you better. Typically simplifying your setup will make you use it more and more often forced limitations will spark creativity. Cameras nowadays and for a long time have been so good that any one will produce good photos if used correctly. If i was looking for a do it all fun camera to use i could at the moment probably end up with a fuji x100 series camera (v or vi). The 35mm works extremely well for a walk about camera and for me a quality view finder is something a appriciate. A fixed lense also forces you to learn that focal length and just simply removes the question "but what lenses do i take with me". The same aplies to zooms. I love a good prime but quality zooms are wonderful as well. If you feel you "need" the versatility with lense options but in a small pacage the new pana s9 looks very intresting especially if "fun and small" are priorities. I love photography and in addition to the cameras above i've dipped my toes in film and it is hitting haaaaard. But as i'm writing this i'm on my way to the airport for a vacay to the Pyrenees and i packed my trusty g9 setup. A month ago i was i Croatia with family and i used olny a pen f half frame film camera and before that i was in Fontainebleau climbing and i took a medium format film camera. So to answer your question. The only question is what are the few properties of a camera that will make you use your camera more and focus on them. Or is it a question of are you focusing on gear too much and too little on getting out there and taking photos :)
Fun fact, I think I’m going to buy an OM Tough TG7 now cause that camera sounds like it’s exactly what I need for taking photos in the wilderness and not actually another interchangeable lens system. Plus the price is right. What a perfectly placed advertisement. Hey Jordan Hey Chris, nice seeing you dudes pop up in my feed from time to time. Also, Natto is delicious and I would die if I had to eat walnuts covered in ketchup.
I bought a new Nikon Z5 for $997 + 40mm f2 lens for $277 USD, and it is great. It has good dynamic range, 2 card slots, decent battery life, full frame, water resistant, is tilt-only screen -- a nice street photo shooter. Love it. I do like the Panasonic Lumix GX-9. MFT and FF cameras are both great on the street. I guess for wildlife, an expensive MFT camera checks-off the right boxes. For me, I will say NO to a $2K MFT camera. - Loren
@@arberdemiri Samy's Camera. The normal discount on camera may be $100, but Nikon does run it $400 several times a year. You can also get some bucks off on 40mm lens, most of the time. Samy's is fast, reliable and packs the goods well. They use peanut pellets which melt in water -- look like foam. They ship from LA, CALIF.
For the Canon community, the biggest news this week was the announcement of the RF 35mm f1.4L lens (sorry Chris) buried in the EOS Cinema announcement video. It was barely mentioned. Fortunately Canon USA released a good video on it with Rudy Winston going over all of the details. It’s a hybrid lens with minimal focus breathing for video and a very good stills lens.
I didn't expect the call out for RAID arrays. As an old systems/networking engineer I did really enjoy putting together large complicated arrays and getting what at the time was incredible performance. RAID still has a place for handling failed disks, although most of my friends still in the business are turning to software RAID solutions.
@@TravelerNick yeah if I understood correctly (and I might not have) he was banking on RAID (probably striping specifically) being a big thing for video editing for the big r/w boost on spinning disks. Then solid state became main stream and pretty much made that irrelevant for performance at the home/small office scale.
Just talking about photography, the M43 makes sense when it comes to going light with little equipment, reliable, flexible and capable but it will never be able to compete with the quality of full frame in those few key points where the FF shines, blur, high ISO, texture, micro contrast. Also, there was a time when the M43 equipment also had a notable price difference. So one could wonder if that extra quality in certain circumstances of the FF justified such a difference in money. However, lately it seems to me that in M43 they are multiplying each gram saved by several hundred dollars, when in addition there have been no revolutionary improvement in image quality in recent years.
I have to disagree about high ISO, texture and micro contrast. Getting a shallower depth of field, not doubt but the other three points not so much. Yes FF beats m43 at high ISO but with the software of these past years like DXO Deep Prime the ISO discussion is almost out the widow, especially when printing as this removes even more difference in noise. Texture and micro contrast has to do with the lenses and is a strong point where m43 shines. The price difference though, yup fully agree! Then again, why would it be cheaper making a smaller lens? The materials are cheaper but the design might not be. And if you want the performance of the OM-1 or the GH6 or GH7 in a full frame camera it's going to be way more expensive.
@@rasmus_mattsson You are right, microcontrast and textures are qualities of lenses. And there are very good lenses, for example, I have the Leica 15mm f1.7 and it is wonderful, I am delighted with it, but even used it costs twice as much as a Nikkor 28mm f2.8 AIS. That's where I wonder why so expensive. Luckily there are very good and very cheap lenses in M43 like Zuiko 25mm 1.8 or the plastic fanstastic 40-150 f4-5.6 R. It is true that noise reduction programs, if you do not exaggerate with the sliders, allow very good results. I also have a Pentax Q with a very small sensor and at ISO base it already has noise. But, still, if you need to freeze movement and you are using long focal lengths, the M43 is at a disadvantage and certainly one of the few disadvantages that I see.
@@mistergiovanni7183 Well, the lenses are modern which means they are still quite expensive. The Nikon 28mm AIS, if you are talking about the old manual focus lens is, well old and very inferior. I do however agree, you get a cheaper system with many of the other systems if you take fast lenses in consideration. A F1.8 lens for FF is far cheaper than a F1.2 lens for m43 (or any system), it also reaches the same size. m43 wins in some ways, in lens choices for one with super special lenses like the Panasonic Leica 10-25 and 25-50, those are lenses no other system has but they do cost. I think m43 still has its uses in many ways but they are harder to find each year I think. A small FF with a small good lens can reach almost the same size now.
“In post” refers to post production, not post processing. After production (the capturing of the images) you then process them in post production. I’m with him on that one.
Chris - you should upgrade your Mic-stand to black or white version of a Low Profile mic stand; You're the one with that complete visibility setup and as this is also a video-cast...maybe you'd want to reduce some visual clutter? Thank you three for the cast - easy on the ears, easy on the eyes (as good as possible 😛) Loving it - even here in Europe.
I’d just like to confirm that I am that uncle with the good camera while everyone else uses their phone 😅 I must say that phones have made photography more accessible than ever - case in point, my older sister who hated using a camera (shaky hands) back when we were kids, now absolutely takes multiple photos daily of her kids and everything she sees on holidays
Just got to the part where Chris is talking about m4/3 making ultra compact cameras, and yes 🙌 I am hoping for an LX100iii and the return of the GM5…my GX850 is a favourite of mine but something with a hot shoe and the new 25MP pdaf sensor would totally be an x100vi competitor
In case anyone needs something to waste time with, the minimum theoretical diameter of a lens can be calculated by the focal length and f-stop and sensor size. . . .
Hey guys great podcast, just wanted to say that "post processing" literally 🙀refers to "post capture processing" irregardless🥴of what your other commentor may think.. Keep up the great work.
Joe Bartlett, director of federal policy at Skydio (US drone manufacturer) is also a former advisor to Stefanik, the congresswoman who introduced the ban on their biggest competitor. What a coincidenceeeee
I already said that in another video, but I'm loving that Jaron is a fellow guardian, btw, unrelated to the video (or not?) haven't finished the campaign yet (I'm taking my time enjoying it), but I can say that this one is just chef kiss
As for post-processing, I guess that the "processing" is what happens in camera (raw reading from the sensor→log, for example, or real time LUT on S9), and the post-processing is the working with that initial prefab file. It would be "processing" if one's using raw, especially Cinema DNG raw, but otherwise post-processing would be exactly the proper term, I think.
Longtime Gh MFT user and just bought a s5ii. One big issue for me is L mount lenses not being able to be adapted to mft. :( I think I'll stay EF for now as it seems to work well with the mc21.
I just got mint used GX85 with 2 kit lens for $500. Just got an Leica M mount adapter so I can use my favorite Voigtlander lens on the m43 body. It's great 👍
Got a subscription from me. I’m stuck on gh7 or g9ii. It’s completely making me want it. I love the screen. I just need tilting not fully articulating, hence the reason I still shoot em1.1
Disagree with Chris on m43 for portraiture… it doesn’t require high resolution either, and many prefer a softer look for portraits. I have a GF5 with a 45mm 1.8 and I’ve taken magical portraits with that thing - people laugh when then see how small it is. They can’t believe I used such a small rig.
I wonder about the high res for portraits myself. I do have 45mp Nikon Z cameras as well as my m43 gear. But when you look at the crazy resolution of say MF often promoted with portraits , my goodness you better have a perfect complexion as it literally makes mountains out of molehills 😃 Downy hair on the chin of a beautiful model looks like a beard. As a former wedding shooter who had to do a fair bit of cleaning up images to make folk look as good as they think they do. A very high mp camera and the razor sharp lenses now on the market you better be taking photos of babies and young children as for typical adult faces it would not be a winner. I remember playing around with my Z 105mm macro and the resulting razor sharp 45mp photo of my nose looked like a hostile alien planet
@@jimstirling7223 yes, I think resolutions that high are only worth it for environmental portraits, where you have a big print with lots of background, and all the extra res is for the background.
Can you guys talk about how to take care of the gear during travel or in general on a photo walks in the city. Or a fun video. Really enjoyed the dpreview one.
looking forward to the new content from the new land Tom! don't get down from the ignorant haters, your work reaches far more who really appreciate what you bring!
I think maybe like once a month or once every 2 months yall should do an additional episode thats just start to finish viewer questions and speak pipes etc, so you can really help clear out your backlog.
I have the GH6 and have already ordered the GH7 for video. I also have an OM-1 that I use a lot outdoors and especially ski photography. I think there’s still plenty of room for the M43 format for specific niches like that. Smaller sensors have some inherent advantages - they read out fast (GH7) and can be manufactured cheaply, especially in stacked configurations (OM1). I agree that the OM1 thrashes the G9II for photo. Of course I also have an extensive full-frame system, built around an A1 (and including tilt-shift lenses) for the other 50% of what I do. I’m an old LF shooter, and even FF feels like a compromise to me. Unfortunately MF systems with TS lenses are beyond even my exorbitant means.
With the in camera processing we do before we take the picture ( get it right in camera is more expansive of a phrase now with current camera abilities) these days, Post processing use in language, I feel, is correct.
I was a full-frame snob for so long until I realized that I have so much more fun with Micro Four Thirds (MFT) and, funnily enough, I even bring home better photos. For me, compactness, speed, all the extra features on the software side, and a great in-body image stabilization (IBIS) are ultimately 90% more important than the advantages of full-frame. I'll still keep my full-frame - for the 10% where the advantages outweigh the rest.
Price of m43 bodies was a bit of sticker shock for me but the prices of lenses and used lenses more than made up for it. That and I carry it for more often because 35-100 is far smaller than full frame equivalents when biking.
Hi, Nice analysis. Love the S5iiX,price feature under 2K€ the best. Most of us don't need more. And actually you have pretty sweet cheap FF Meike prime with AF 33,55,85 1.8 around 200$ sure bigger than MFT glass but the price is not an argument...the new Samyang 35-150 is big but 2-2.8 continus and is cheaper faster than MFT 10-25 1.7 claim to be parfocal as well but I think it is more a gimmick😅 About GH7 it is always on sale in EU around 1800-1900 € after taxes and uvp was 2200 € 2 month ago But nowhere near the price you bought yours I saw one on a flash sale around 1650€... IMHO GH7 could be the last of his kind even for myself it is really hard to justify to buy new MFT gear.... The S5iiX is my preferred camera too because the AFC work even on old EF mount lenses really good (even my old sigma 150-500 it is doing a fine job with the Voltron adapter) For myself if I see a GH7 in a price range like yours I will buy it...nowadays like you sais the uvp price is too high!!!
With my Sony A mount the 24-105 was my favorite lense. Not the sharpest in my bag, but simply the best travel, and just 'one lense' excursion lense. I wish the other lense manufactures would get on that wagon.
I have no doubt there is s place for MFT in 2024. But why only in the top end? Where are MFT equivalent to Fuji X-S20 or Sony ZV-E10? They could work not only as a stand alone product but most small productions need B cameras too. I just can't wrap my head around this missing segment in MFT system.
Recommendation as Entry-Drug? Easy. Always and everytime I recommend (as professional videographer/photographer/designer): X-H2s and Tamron lenses. Compact, great for everything (80%) and then you also have something that you can definteley sell on the used market once you outgrown your "general purpose photographer state" If less budget: Lumix G9II with 12-60 + 100-400 I never recommend anything above 5k Bundle Price - unless the person is PRO.
20:19 CIPA ratings are strange, but in my experience they are surprisingly accurate for cameras with small batteries, especially Canon and Sony. If their rating says 230 shots, it is usually that number of shots. On the other hand, CIPA rated the Nikon J1 at around 200 shots, yet it had the longest battery life I saw on a small camera at the time :)
I find it interesting that virtually every reviewer of MFT cameras mentions that you have to accept the degraded quality of the MFT sensor. They love this camera but.. it's MFT. I don't get it. I've been shooting MFT since 2008, and with the right software, the smaller sensor is absolutely NOT an issue. I've sold magazine covers and produced prints larger than 40x60 inches. Even the Sony A1 needs software to go as large as 40x60 inches. There is such bias from virtually all reviewers against anything but the so-called full frame. Herr's a video showing the sizes I'm printing from files produced by both Lumix and OM System cameras. th-cam.com/video/hyzeUX-BkKI/w-d-xo.html
Might want to do a "canned, pre-recorded" ad read for Olympus sponsored intro? ! Other than that, great content and loved your discussion points on Lumix GH7 and micro 4/3rds.
So the story of Jordan, a japanesse trained, bicycle wielding bar fighter, continues! Please make a short story known to us every week. Like a manga, but probably in a noir setting. His arch nemesis could be a personified fly fishing rod...
When it comes to digital still photography, I always refer to everything that happens in Lightroom/Capture One as “developing.” I think it’s a good term from the analog darkroom that can find new life in the digital Lightroom! If I have to do anything in Photoshop, I would call that “editing,” but the lines are getting very blurred as Adobe keeps adding more and more AI stuff to Lightroom…
Been using FF Canon for almost 20 years. Migrated to MFT, and I love it. Especially the fact that pro grade lenses and bodies are lighter and cheaper than Canon's L lenses. Sure, I lose some shallow DOF "advantage" but I feel that's an argument made by pixel peepers and folks who can't compose a picture. BTW I am glad I could check out MFT setup before I made the decision, because if I were to listen to reviewers - I would have stayed with FF. Many reviews out there be like "camera is built awesome, lens are great, the setup is cheaper than FF and weather sealed, can't recommend, it's MFT".
I’m going on safari next year and have the 24-100mm range (FF equiv) covered. I’m looking to get a second body and lens to cover the 150-600 range. Something with decent video capabilities would be a huge bonus. In full frame, There is nothing in that focal length that is even vaguely tempting when it comes to travel. MFT has a good handful of lens and body combos to choose from
Just sold my last piece of MFT gear today, OMD EM1X + 12-100 F4 pro. Ever since I sold the Olympus 100-400 and 300 F4, I have been trying pretty hard to unload my EM1X and 12-100, but just so hard to find buyer, well, it's so hard to find a MFT user , period !!!, but so happy today I fond a serious buyer and got a reasonable offer so I am finally out of the MFT land.
I say this regularly and can’t believe it doesn’t already exist. 35-50-85mm are the three essential primes for most people, and focal lengths ≤28mm are much more versatile as compact primes (think vlogging or street photography). I’d gladly trade the wide end for a proper portrait focal length on the long end.
i used to crave f1.4 primes and ff cameras, then i realized noise reduction has improved so much and slog2's noise has clouded my mind not going to start switching to mft , but i can see the reason why mft still exist nowadays
Some people already speculated about successor to Pen-F or M1x. Last year I purchased new M1x from UK for 900 pounds, arrived with bricked firmware and I had to fix it myself. Right now its a camera which drives me to go pro with photography, and I really would like to see successor to it.
M43 makes sense for video work where you're controlling lighting, and not much else (though some niches exist). My last friend on M43 finally switched to an A7C for a similar small footprint with higher quality shots and better AF.
@@HappyHubris Phones make sense in some situations, full frame in others, for me MFT is in between (balance of size and capability) and covers 90% of it.
@@FierceSleepingDog Thanks for sharing! I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
The low-light performance of the GH7 makes it a hard call. And I'm not talking about shooting at night with a fast aperture, which will look totally great. I mean shooting during daylight, indoors, in poorly lit environments where you need a large depth of field.
I wouldn't. The GH5 (my daily workhorse) will be my last M43 camera. The price and features of FF cameras now make the MFT cameras less appealing than they were, especially during the GH2 era.
Thanks for sharing! I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
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Will still buy (and just did) MFT camera in 2024
Just got a OM1 with 100-400, as a birder that want light weight gear that I can walk for long period with, MFT are pretty much the only choice apart from something like P950 or a spotting scope with phone mount
My girlfriend is using a EM5 with 75-300, that thing is so lightweight and compact it is incredible
I agree it makes sense still. I did the math(s) before I bought an OM1, and for birding (and most things) it was much cheaper than getting the same feature set (except the low-light performance) in a FF camera. My P8P just doesn't do the same as my OM1. When I have the long lense on the OM1 I do often take a quick landscape with my P8P, and its good but not as good.
I use my OM-1 for birds, landscape… and everything else. It made more sense to add a f/1.2 prime to my bag instead of investing into a FF system.
I also just bought an OM-1 + 12-40mm II + Zuiko 100-400mm and I'm (I assume, like you) super excited about the capabilities of the combo. Incredible value for the price compared to FF. First time MFT owner. 😊
@@tim1398 It's not the same feature set though, without the ISO performance, as birding is hungry for light. It's like saying that a Smart car is the same for farm work as an F150, and the Smart car takes up less space...as long as you're not planning to haul anything.
@@HappyHubris I think it depends, if you are the kind of birder like want good photos, FF will produce better results at most situation, especially low light as you said. But on the other side of the spectrum birder like me that like running around looking for rare birds and new lifer, so I'm somewhat OK with some bad photos as long as I got one
With that said, the last time I was doing bird guide work I met a dude who run around on trails with me carrying a 600 4.0 and R3, I don't know how
I'm fully in the micro 4/3s camp. It's where i started but i got seduced by the idea of full frame. However the reality of dealing with those monstrous, large lenses day in day out ruined the pleasure of photography and i ended up rarely taking my camera with me. Now I'm back with micro 4/3s my camera comes everywhere with me again. Loving photography and getting way more awesome shots than i ever did will full frame.
Considering how fantastic smartphones do at taking photos these days, there's really no excuse for sensor size being a limiting factor. If you want to have quality glass and reach, it makes more sense to focus on smaller, more compact, portable equipment. M4/3 is far more suitable for this. It's a smaller sensor, easier to make with fast readout speeds, easier to stabilize, and computational features are what make smartphones better than they should be. This is something M4/3 should focus on. OM System is doing this somewhat, but it just doesn't seem like either they or Panasonic will double down on it. Panasonic thinks they're Red, and OM System is too busy rebadging models they already have as "new" and "better" while raising prices. Quit already. Quit with tiny batteries and slow processors, compared to smartphones. Toss real batteries with some good ARM processors in, with adequate memory, and program some good computational features. If a phone can pull dynamic range out of the dark, then why not a sensor multiple times larger? I don't think it's sensor size that is the limiting factor. Everything we need really could be made out of this format. It's up to manufacturers.
I always used M43 until recently when I tried a top quality full frame (Sony) with two good lens, medium and long range. I soon discovered that I had made a big mistake and rapidly moved back to M43.
Thanks for sharing!
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me.
Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
@@jroynorris2963 Thanks for sharing!
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me.
Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
@@jonathanscherer8567 Thanks for sharing!
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me.
Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
Being older and budget limited, I can't justify spending $2k on ANY camera body. I rely on people who can justify spending that much so I can buy their prior cameras and lenses. In the last 2 years I've bought an Olympus E-M1 and about a dozen different lenses for various applications for well under $1500 total. No pro lenses, but the results are still darn good and perfectly adequate for my needs.
Similar view and experience here.👍🏻
Any 10 year camera is still amazing, specially if one is not into video.
I think it makes sense to the MFT veteran with lots of cool glass, who also wants the new product warranty. Remember, bodies are a mistress, glass is a marriage.
I think it's also for those who are very interested in how Panasonic does its... Thing. All the line specific features and beneficial quirks. UX ergos. But aren't really ready, willing, or desiring a bag of heavier full frame LM glass.
I also also think it's for 2021 me, who bought a GH5ii and didn't keep it because the autofocus was totally bunk for gimbal work. I returned it and bought an FX3. But if I could have bought the GH7 then, I'd have done so and kept it.
ive been using lumix since 2016, and the glass part is starting to really annoy me. they have only made like 2 new lenses the last 5 years and still dont bother updating any of the older glass with weather sealing
@@doublevgreen I mean there are a few missed chances with the weather sealing, especially on the more expensive stuff (like the 15mm or the 42.5mm 1.2) and they took some time to update the 25mm 1.4 but like what lens is really missing in the MFT lineup? Unless it's exotic like a tilt shift or something they have a lot of options. Got the 9mm last year so I'm kinda covered from 9mm to 400mm.
@@KiinaSume too. You can always goto vintage Carl Zeiss as I did. Insane m42 lenses
I wanted a GX10 ... 😕
We will get it.
Samsung GX10 ;)
Me2
Same, I picked up a gx7 body for about 75 bucks and it's a brilliant camera.
Yeah, I really hope we get a new compact MFT camera with PDAF and even weather sealing. The great strength of the system is the flexibility, and being able to choose a capable but still dust & drip resistant body is a huge benefit both for everyday pocket family and street shooting, and especially for light hiking and wildlife.
Solid point at 53:00. We have both Canon (C70, R3, R5) and the GH-series cameras for our show. These days, if I need to bring just one camera for video and photos I bring the R3. That said, I was shooting the Kenya Safari Rally for the Skoda team a couple years ago (at the time I had the R5, but the R3 was still on order) so I brought two GH5 MkIIs (with the full range of Lumix lenses up to the 50-200 with a doubler.) Ended up getting one iconic shot of a famous race driver and some great video for the Skoda team... and yes, had to manually focus pretty much everything. - Ryan
GH7 and G9 II both make a lot of sense to those of us with a long history of using hybrid cameras. The GH7 is just about as good as it gets for hybrid mirrorless cameras right now, in the under-$2500 price category. The G9 II is almost equally good for stills, but lacks a fan for extended recording in hot weather. And if you need the most advanced video modes, the GH7 is the pick. I simply don't want to travel with big, heavy, expensive full frame lenses. I am perfectly willing to accept 13+ stops of dynamic range instead of 14+ on the S5 II/IIX. I'm not a fan of super-shallow depth of field. My eyes have fixed focus cataract replacement lenses, so deep DOF does not bother me. What the GH7 offers is the best AV features in its form factor. The audio is especially sweet for those of us who do not want a separate audio recorder in the way of our run-and-gun tactics for recording video.
I sold my FF gear and only use MFT. I travel a lot and size and weight matter to me. And you can't see a difference in quality in most cases.
I have a s5ii and an Olympus em5mkii, the quality out of my em5mkii is great - the main thing that annoys me is actually the main benefit. The tiny body is fiddly to use and UI on it is a nightmare for me. The s5ii is heavy but I LOVE the UI. It's just a pleasure to use. The gh7 or g9ii would be awesome but then at the same body size as the s5ii you're starting to get into marginal returns. It's a tough spot. A g9ii would save you on weight but if you want to do low DoF portraits, you're picking up something like a voigtlander 42.5 .95 and you have the option but on a g9ii, now you're over the weight of a s5ii and 85mm 1.8. it's a tough target to hit to have something universally useful but also compact and light. I think the real future will be in new materials. Making a carbon fiber composite camera and lenses would be amazing tech if it could be made affordable.
@@karikaru Yeah, that's my main issue as well, I enjoy the smaller lenses and weight but my hands are too big for me to use my MFT camera for anything beyond family photos and occasionally some landscape and animal stuff. But I definitely enjoy having my little Lumix as an extra camera for some use cases
I was at one of the premier tourist destinations in the world the other week, as in more tourists than locals everywhere. I saw more cameras than expected in hands and around necks. One or two Sony FF, one or two Canon 5DIII or Nikon 750, and just thousands upon thousands of MFT and APS-C cameras everywhere. The consumer seems to be speaking a clear language.
Same here! I use an OM-1 with the Oly 12-100 F4 for an (almost) one and done travel lens. I usually also take a small fast prime appropriate for indoors/low light in whatever length is appropriate for where I’m going. The whole set up would fit into something a little larger than a fanny pack. The quality of the current generation MFT higher end bodies is fantastic. Perhaps if I wanted a new career as a professional wildlife photographer I’d consider investing $30k in some FF gear, but I’m just the stereotypical physician who takes some photos for fun. And sometimes they’re ok.
@@SonyAlphaVisions
Prove it then bod, cause there countless of blind tests and no one can tell a difference even at 100% zoom in.
People do not care at the end of the day, what you taken picture of in the right lightning is a lot more important, buy a medium format camera if you really want ultimate picture quality, Hasselblad not those cheap Fuji ones.
That ad read was messier than the S9 launch Jarron 😂
"Minus 15 meters" 🤣
Back in 1976 I worked on the Dakota Photo Documentary Project. I was unhappy with my "miniature" 35 mm. negatives when taking scenic shots, so I bought a beautiful wooden Nagaoka flatbed field 4x5 view camera. It was a delight to use, but taking 20 photos was a full day's work. At the time, I was using an Olympus OM-1, and unlike the other photographers on the project, I didn't use a camera bag. The lenses were so small they fit into my coat pockets. When I switched to digital, I stayed with Olympus because of that "small size" feature. I carried that over in my farming business. Instead of having a standard pickup truck, I used a minivan because 90% of the time it was more useful than a pickup. When I needed to carry bigger loads, I used a one-ton dually with 12 foot contractor's bed, grain box, and hoist. Like in the video, use the appropriate technology.
Thanks for sharing!
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me.
Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
Chris's summation of why Jordan changes cameras for videos regularly is spot on, in my view. And in my work, I have found that FF sensors and lenses are actually a limitation for me. µ4/3rds is really the sweet spot for video, and take perfectly good stills, too. We settled on µ4/3rds years ago for our YT work and for our for-sale video products, and we used FF, APS-C and µ4/3rds aide by side for a year before making this decision. And the µ4/3rds lenses are superb. Great work, gentlemen.
Thank you for this podcast, I look forward to it every week! I have no friends that are interested in photography so no one to talk to ...so listening to you guys is like hanging with my favorite photo friends. Thank you
No problem photo friend! We appreciate it!
Invested heavily in Olympus / OM Systems MFT bodies and lenses in 2023 and 2024 as I migrate from Nikon DSLRs.
The full frame dogma has no sway on me. I love the pictures I'm taking now and I've never been more creative and inspired.
Full frame isn't dogma, it is scientific fact and physics of light. Your confusing the subjective and objective. Does full frame let you take better pictures - yes. And no. It's simply a matter of 'quality'. How much are you willing to pay for that quality compared to the content of what you are capturing.
@@davey3765 Your dogma is strong. Congrats. You move up in FF cred points.
@@davey3765 BTW, I'm hoping some medium format acolyte comes in here and roasts you for taking pictures with that tiny FF sensor. Now don't confuse subjective with objective.
During a 3 months trip in UK, I ve seen a lot of m43 cameras.
Enthusiast photographers enjoying themselves with a light combo.
You are doing well, I live in the UK and as a m43 user myself have hardly ever seen a m43 camera in the wild. Though dedicated cameras in general are becoming less common with the ubiquitous mobile phones ruling the roost 😞
Were they all in one place at a birding convention.
The Post-Processing thing reminds me of a George Carlin joke: What do you mean pre-boarding? Getting on the plane before getting on the plane?
That’s an old one. It’s like the photographic movement that came up in, I think it was, the 1970s. That was called “pre-visualization”. The whole concept of visualization is that it occurs before you plan your shoot. Your beginning concept. So, what exactly was that?
25:57 Proud to be the camera uncle in my family - literally, as I have two young nephews, with a third on the way 😄
Speaking of compacts...IMAGINE a Micro Four Thirds sensor in a Pentax 110 body. I would definitely buy that!
Panasonic gm1 and gm5 are the same size, no need to imagine it😀
kgF stands for kilograms of force (like Newtons) and is approx 10 Newtons
I have the same rationale as Chris on his stance on a $2000 m43 camera. And I did with an OM1ii along with my past purchase history on a GX9, G9, EM5ii etc. the modern m43 sensors to me, as a hobbyist, is “good enough” because my circle of friends and family only use an iPhone. And while I can see a difference between my full frame gear and my m43 gear, the difference is almost splitting hairs to me, but the weight and size savings are drastic.
Thanks for sharing!
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me.
Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
I fully agree with what you mentioned here and it makes sense, for personal use MFT makes perfect sense . my strategy is to collect cheap FF DSLR when I feel the itch to take some FF landscapes and use MFT for pretty much every other scenarios . Family outings , meetups , travel MFT is perfect . I am planning a trip to AFRICA with my family and MFT is going to be perfect .
@@photographer8486 get the samyang F1.8 lens, they are small and light. Just start off with a 35mm and 75mm. That should keep you covered with a light weight and cheap lens. Not sure if you need a wide angle but most times, 35mm will suffice. Further down the road, Samyang 24mm F1.8 will fill that wide angle need. In terms of low light, the F1.8 will edge out the F2.8 zooms and will give you better bokeh in good light (day light) conditions. Only downside is the need to having change lens. For a one lens option, just get a 35mm. These lens might not be as good as Sony GM lens for fast focusing in fast motion scenarios, but good enough for static shots with moderate motion.
MFT in 2024 - heck yeah. The balance of lens size, ergonomics, affordability, the importance of stabe, capabilities and feature set means MFT Lumix all the way for me. The only exception is Product Showcase on the ZV-E10, but that is a small need for me. 90% of the time I use Lumix. The original G9 is still my first choice for stills. I get fabulous results out of that camera. But for video, I am saving up for a GH7, and until I get that, I am happy to keep chugging along with my GH5 II.
imo, OM system need to update the PEN-F and sell it 1000 usd to make it more lucrative for new user.
The Pen-F in 2016 was $1199 body only, m43 had a bigger share of the market back then even just taking interest into account would be near $1600 . With smaller potential sales numbers in all likelihood it would be more. Assuming you wanted the latest high end features and excellent design and build of the original I would not be surprised if it would be as pricey at launch as say the OM-1 II
@@jimstirling7223 Thanks for sharing!
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me.
Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
@@jimstirling7223 I would still buy it at that price point...
@@jimstirling7223 sony a73 is now 1500$, 1600$ for new Pen F would be a bit ridicoulus in my humble opinion.. 😀
I would absolutely totally instantly buy the GH7, if I did not already own and love the GH6 😊 might get a GH7 at some later point if I have GAS again, but currently no need
He he. You always need a B cam....
Love my micro 4/3 setup (2 years now). As someone who travels for a living, it is the perfect setup for me.
At about 51:57, you mentioned recommending the best camera for someone starting out. I had that come up thrice, all during the "film age".
One was where a first cousin going to Switzerland, another was my sister going to Japan, and another senior cousin going on a full Asian tour about 6 months, wow.
And, there are three funny stories about how they worked out.
And, another thing is when someone comes up to you and asks what car should buy.
Great podcast. I upgraded from an A1 to a G9ii and OM 150-400 f4.5 Pro for the wildlife reach and never need to use a mono or tripod.
I’m late but I want to say thanks for answering my question about Uncompressed Raw on last week’s podcast! The GH7 episode was also a great insight into videography as I’m learning video work for a new job
On zoom lenses, why arent there more Power Zoom lenses? As someone that had carpal tunnel syndrome, I appreciated having one button to do the zoom instead of twisting my hand every so often.
I still keep my A6300 and 18-105 F4 as a backup or a B-cam when someone wants to assist and dont have a camera.
Why should the best and newest mft camera cost less than other new top cameras? I don‘t understand this thinking.
A Sony Alpha 6700 or even A7 IV is so worse in many things. They have a lot of rolling shutter, something about 10fps raw in continuous shooting mode, and the electronic shutter is nearly useless. The Canon R7 and lower versions have the same problem with rolling shutter. And there are no lenses for canon aps-c.
On the other side there is the G9 II and GH7 with great subject detection and subject tracking, 60fps raw shooting in continuous shooting mode. A lot of very good lenses in every price range.
I think mft is still a great choice. And if I go hiking I can take a 50-200mm f2.8-4 lense, a 12-35mm f2.8, a 9mm f1.7 and maybe a macro lense with me. And I don‘t even need a backpack for all this.
If I want to cover this focal length range in just as good quality with my Canon equipment, for my R6 II, then it will be much heavier and more expensive.
They're more than capable for portraits as well... adventure and art shows that they do just fine.
The problem is that a lot of reviewers aren't good photographers. So while a camera might not be good for them bc you can't crop in or do all these things to fix your mistakes... it could be perfect for a skilled professional that knows their system and body well
"And if I go hiking I can take a 50-200mm f2.8-4 lense, a 12-35mm f2.8, a 9mm f1.7 and maybe a macro lense with me. "
Because with a M43 sensor those operate like a F5.6-F8, F5.6 and F3.4. And then the question becomes, "Why am I paying $2K+ for bad low-light performance and a phone look."
I shoot 1" sensor for hiking and general purpose, but I wouldn't overspend on a 1" body due to the limitations. Same thing for M43.
@@nickguzman1734 Yes, al those pro photographers eschew M43 for FF due to just being terrible at their jobs. It has nothing to do with the look or the low light performance. Clearly they're just all too stupid to realize how amazing M43 is. *sigh*
@HappyHubris and this, folks is what happens when people in society are unable to apply any nuance in discussions. You get clowns like this making dumb black and white comments
@@HappyHubris a 9mm 1.7 in m43 is still 3 times as light as a 9mm 5.6 lens for E mount (131g vs 463g). Just keep your dumb comments to yourself
For a hiking stills camera, it’s not all about the headline features, but about all the nuance that rarely get talked about that make me love the om system flagship cameras. 99% of the pictures I take would make zero difference with a full frame sensor and I save a lot of weight. The real key to stunning nature photos in today’s world is post processing,… not the sensor size.
Like how you slipped in the phrase "post processing" after that was discussed!
The real key is to have a camera nearby. M43 wins here.
Re: Saying "post":
I come from a video background from my high school film classes, and so when I hear or use "post", I hear/mean "post production". So I don't see a problem with saying "post" when "post" can also mean "post production" which is just any work done after principle shooting (video or photo) to finalize the image like editing your raw files.
im neck deep in full frame L mount lenses and E mount FF/S35 and the GH7 is making me rethink everything. god if it had just come out 3-4 years ago.
What about it is making you regret your other systems? Trying to pick a system now myself and L mount seems like it has the best deals at the moment.
@@Healthy_Toki Jordan and I have always agreed about Lumix MFT stuff - and I think we both felt that although the S5ii/x are great, they don't quite compare to what the GH5 was - the GH7 is everything I've been wanting in a video camera. I went full frame for autofocus but with a lot of compromises (worse IBIS, worse rolling shutter, crops in higher frame rates, heat limitations, big expensive heavy lenses etc etc etc)
FX30 was a little in between that's been treating me well but i think the GH7 is 100% replacing that as my main video shooter.
I also think the next Lumix flagship Full Frame camera will push near $5K so that prices it out for a lot of people (that didnt bother an a7siii either) GH7 is the golden choice for cost and features.
Sell your sets and buy a gh7 with two lenses that fill your needs and use the extra money on some videography vacay. Sounds like you wouldn't regret it one bit after clicking "add to shopping cart"
@@badbunnyTUBE Thanks for sharing!
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me.
Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
@@photographer8486 sorry, gonna be long one 😅 the best camera is the one that you have with you so make that a priority. Technical pros and cons will just affect a very small portions of what you do. I started and continue with a mft camera because the stability and reach is something i love and rarely shoot in dim lighting. After a g85 i moved to a g9 and was content for a long time. That coupled with the kit lense 12-60 and a 100-400 make a killer setup for aything other than night time or indoors photography. I live in Finland so it's pretty dark most of the time but i haven't run into issues except on the situations above and even for those i have a voigtländer 17.5mm 0.95 lense. For me these filled my needs but after getting a kid, like most hobbies, something changed. I left my camera most of the time home because i couldn't operate it with one hand. I fixed this with buying a 10yo fuji x100 for a few hundred € and have loved it so much (and that camera is janky af but it's many limitations are oushined by it's few thing it got of so right such as the overall tactile feeling of operating it). I even bit the bullet and shoot only jpegs with the fuji to lower the barrier of using it.
What i'm saying is that get the camera that will be at your side as much as possible. You only learn by DOING and so called limitations will only challenge you and make you better. Typically simplifying your setup will make you use it more and more often forced limitations will spark creativity.
Cameras nowadays and for a long time have been so good that any one will produce good photos if used correctly.
If i was looking for a do it all fun camera to use i could at the moment probably end up with a fuji x100 series camera (v or vi). The 35mm works extremely well for a walk about camera and for me a quality view finder is something a appriciate. A fixed lense also forces you to learn that focal length and just simply removes the question "but what lenses do i take with me". The same aplies to zooms. I love a good prime but quality zooms are wonderful as well.
If you feel you "need" the versatility with lense options but in a small pacage the new pana s9 looks very intresting especially if "fun and small" are priorities.
I love photography and in addition to the cameras above i've dipped my toes in film and it is hitting haaaaard. But as i'm writing this i'm on my way to the airport for a vacay to the Pyrenees and i packed my trusty g9 setup. A month ago i was i Croatia with family and i used olny a pen f half frame film camera and before that i was in Fontainebleau climbing and i took a medium format film camera.
So to answer your question. The only question is what are the few properties of a camera that will make you use your camera more and focus on them. Or is it a question of are you focusing on gear too much and too little on getting out there and taking photos :)
32:55 I remember feeling so impressed with the size of my 1 GB xD card I bought for a fujifilm fixed lens camera I had at the time.
Fun fact, I think I’m going to buy an OM Tough TG7 now cause that camera sounds like it’s exactly what I need for taking photos in the wilderness and not actually another interchangeable lens system.
Plus the price is right. What a perfectly placed advertisement.
Hey Jordan Hey Chris, nice seeing you dudes pop up in my feed from time to time. Also, Natto is delicious and I would die if I had to eat walnuts covered in ketchup.
I have one for snorkelling or surfing and for that they are great but honestly the IQ isn’t stellar at all for anything other than snapshots.
@@tallaganda83 this is my genuine concern. The macro capability is nice though, I have seen lovely examples.
I bought a new Nikon Z5 for $997 + 40mm f2 lens for $277 USD, and it is great. It has good dynamic range, 2 card slots, decent battery life, full frame, water resistant, is tilt-only screen -- a nice street photo shooter. Love it. I do like the Panasonic Lumix GX-9. MFT and FF cameras are both great on the street. I guess for wildlife, an expensive MFT camera checks-off the right boxes. For me, I will say NO to a $2K MFT camera. - Loren
Where did you find that deal?
@@arberdemiri Samy's Camera. The normal discount on camera may be $100, but Nikon does run it $400 several times a year. You can also get some bucks off on 40mm lens, most of the time. Samy's is fast, reliable and packs the goods well. They use peanut pellets which melt in water -- look like foam. They ship from LA, CALIF.
@@arberdemiri I just checked -- deal is till' June 30th. I would jump on it, if I did not already own it ;)
I haven’t been a fan of podcasts for a while but I love this one. The shirts look great too.
For the Canon community, the biggest news this week was the announcement of the RF 35mm f1.4L lens (sorry Chris) buried in the EOS Cinema announcement video. It was barely mentioned. Fortunately Canon USA released a good video on it with Rudy Winston going over all of the details. It’s a hybrid lens with minimal focus breathing for video and a very good stills lens.
I didn't expect the call out for RAID arrays. As an old systems/networking engineer I did really enjoy putting together large complicated arrays and getting what at the time was incredible performance. RAID still has a place for handling failed disks, although most of my friends still in the business are turning to software RAID solutions.
I don't think he was against raid. He's against HDD. Fair enough but if you need a fair bit of storage flash is going to cost.
@@TravelerNick yeah if I understood correctly (and I might not have) he was banking on RAID (probably striping specifically) being a big thing for video editing for the big r/w boost on spinning disks. Then solid state became main stream and pretty much made that irrelevant for performance at the home/small office scale.
Just talking about photography, the M43 makes sense when it comes to going light with little equipment, reliable, flexible and capable but it will never be able to compete with the quality of full frame in those few key points where the FF shines, blur, high ISO, texture, micro contrast. Also, there was a time when the M43 equipment also had a notable price difference. So one could wonder if that extra quality in certain circumstances of the FF justified such a difference in money.
However, lately it seems to me that in M43 they are multiplying each gram saved by several hundred dollars, when in addition there have been no revolutionary improvement in image quality in recent years.
I have to disagree about high ISO, texture and micro contrast. Getting a shallower depth of field, not doubt but the other three points not so much. Yes FF beats m43 at high ISO but with the software of these past years like DXO Deep Prime the ISO discussion is almost out the widow, especially when printing as this removes even more difference in noise. Texture and micro contrast has to do with the lenses and is a strong point where m43 shines.
The price difference though, yup fully agree! Then again, why would it be cheaper making a smaller lens? The materials are cheaper but the design might not be. And if you want the performance of the OM-1 or the GH6 or GH7 in a full frame camera it's going to be way more expensive.
@@rasmus_mattsson
You are right, microcontrast and textures are qualities of lenses. And there are very good lenses, for example, I have the Leica 15mm f1.7 and it is wonderful, I am delighted with it, but even used it costs twice as much as a Nikkor 28mm f2.8 AIS. That's where I wonder why so expensive. Luckily there are very good and very cheap lenses in M43 like Zuiko 25mm 1.8 or the plastic fanstastic 40-150 f4-5.6 R.
It is true that noise reduction programs, if you do not exaggerate with the sliders, allow very good results. I also have a Pentax Q with a very small sensor and at ISO base it already has noise. But, still, if you need to freeze movement and you are using long focal lengths, the M43 is at a disadvantage and certainly one of the few disadvantages that I see.
@@mistergiovanni7183 Well, the lenses are modern which means they are still quite expensive. The Nikon 28mm AIS, if you are talking about the old manual focus lens is, well old and very inferior. I do however agree, you get a cheaper system with many of the other systems if you take fast lenses in consideration. A F1.8 lens for FF is far cheaper than a F1.2 lens for m43 (or any system), it also reaches the same size.
m43 wins in some ways, in lens choices for one with super special lenses like the Panasonic Leica 10-25 and 25-50, those are lenses no other system has but they do cost.
I think m43 still has its uses in many ways but they are harder to find each year I think. A small FF with a small good lens can reach almost the same size now.
I'd like to have a T-Shirt, signed by Chris, reading: "35mm sucks"😁
I’d buy this. And I mean it, I shoot 40mm as my standard. 35mm DOES suck
Why?
f/7.1 on the back
@@krishnakumarr9619Yes!!!
“In post” refers to post production, not post processing. After production (the capturing of the images) you then process them in post production. I’m with him on that one.
Chris - you should upgrade your Mic-stand to black or white version of a Low Profile mic stand; You're the one with that complete visibility setup and as this is also a video-cast...maybe you'd want to reduce some visual clutter?
Thank you three for the cast - easy on the ears, easy on the eyes (as good as possible 😛)
Loving it - even here in Europe.
I’d just like to confirm that I am that uncle with the good camera while everyone else uses their phone 😅 I must say that phones have made photography more accessible than ever - case in point, my older sister who hated using a camera (shaky hands) back when we were kids, now absolutely takes multiple photos daily of her kids and everything she sees on holidays
Just got to the part where Chris is talking about m4/3 making ultra compact cameras, and yes 🙌 I am hoping for an LX100iii and the return of the GM5…my GX850 is a favourite of mine but something with a hot shoe and the new 25MP pdaf sensor would totally be an x100vi competitor
In case anyone needs something to waste time with, the minimum theoretical diameter of a lens can be calculated by the focal length and f-stop and sensor size. . . .
Hey guys great podcast, just wanted to say that "post processing" literally 🙀refers to "post capture processing" irregardless🥴of what your other commentor may think.. Keep up the great work.
Joe Bartlett, director of federal policy at Skydio (US drone manufacturer) is also a former advisor to Stefanik, the congresswoman who introduced the ban on their biggest competitor. What a coincidenceeeee
I already said that in another video, but I'm loving that Jaron is a fellow guardian, btw, unrelated to the video (or not?) haven't finished the campaign yet (I'm taking my time enjoying it), but I can say that this one is just chef kiss
As for post-processing, I guess that the "processing" is what happens in camera (raw reading from the sensor→log, for example, or real time LUT on S9), and the post-processing is the working with that initial prefab file. It would be "processing" if one's using raw, especially Cinema DNG raw, but otherwise post-processing would be exactly the proper term, I think.
Longtime Gh MFT user and just bought a s5ii. One big issue for me is L mount lenses not being able to be adapted to mft. :( I think I'll stay EF for now as it seems to work well with the mc21.
I just got mint used GX85 with 2 kit lens for $500. Just got an Leica M mount adapter so I can use my favorite Voigtlander lens on the m43 body. It's great 👍
Thank you Pera pixel team! Been here since the camera store! Love you! ❤
Got a subscription from me. I’m stuck on gh7 or g9ii. It’s completely making me want it. I love the screen. I just need tilting not fully articulating, hence the reason I still shoot em1.1
Disagree with Chris on m43 for portraiture… it doesn’t require high resolution either, and many prefer a softer look for portraits.
I have a GF5 with a 45mm 1.8 and I’ve taken magical portraits with that thing - people laugh when then see how small it is. They can’t believe I used such a small rig.
I wonder about the high res for portraits myself. I do have 45mp Nikon Z cameras as well as my m43 gear. But when you look at the crazy resolution of say MF often promoted with portraits , my goodness you better have a perfect complexion as it literally makes mountains out of molehills 😃 Downy hair on the chin of a beautiful model looks like a beard. As a former wedding shooter who had to do a fair bit of cleaning up images to make folk look as good as they think they do. A very high mp camera and the razor sharp lenses now on the market you better be taking photos of babies and young children as for typical adult faces it would not be a winner. I remember playing around with my Z 105mm macro and the resulting razor sharp 45mp photo of my nose looked like a hostile alien planet
@@jimstirling7223that’s why my favorite portrait setup is my Zf with an 80’s 85mm f/1.4D or my 70’s K series 55mm f/1.2.
@@jimstirling7223 yes, I think resolutions that high are only worth it for environmental portraits, where you have a big print with lots of background, and all the extra res is for the background.
Who wants pimpels razorsharp in 200%?
Hey I’ve gone off-road in a Pontiac Vibe and in the end it turned out to be a perfectly fun day.
Can you guys talk about how to take care of the gear during travel or in general on a photo walks in the city. Or a fun video. Really enjoyed the dpreview one.
Great podcast. It was enjoying to hear and it was my first time watching the podcast full.
looking forward to the new content from
the new land Tom! don't get down from the ignorant haters, your work reaches far more who really appreciate what you bring!
Thanks for discussing my question lads :) I really hope that they do it quicker than two years
I think maybe like once a month or once every 2 months yall should do an additional episode thats just start to finish viewer questions and speak pipes etc, so you can really help clear out your backlog.
Chris as Fozzy is AWESOME and accurate!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Jordan's going to give me nightmare....................
I have the GH6 and have already ordered the GH7 for video. I also have an OM-1 that I use a lot outdoors and especially ski photography. I think there’s still plenty of room for the M43 format for specific niches like that. Smaller sensors have some inherent advantages - they read out fast (GH7) and can be manufactured cheaply, especially in stacked configurations (OM1). I agree that the OM1 thrashes the G9II for photo.
Of course I also have an extensive full-frame system, built around an A1 (and including tilt-shift lenses) for the other 50% of what I do. I’m an old LF shooter, and even FF feels like a compromise to me. Unfortunately MF systems with TS lenses are beyond even my exorbitant means.
The camera processes the digital file already so, technically, "post processing" is the correct term for working on the file later on.
With the in camera processing we do before we take the picture ( get it right in camera is more expansive of a phrase now with current camera abilities) these days, Post processing use in language, I feel, is correct.
I was a full-frame snob for so long until I realized that I have so much more fun with Micro Four Thirds (MFT) and, funnily enough, I even bring home better photos. For me, compactness, speed, all the extra features on the software side, and a great in-body image stabilization (IBIS) are ultimately 90% more important than the advantages of full-frame.
I'll still keep my full-frame - for the 10% where the advantages outweigh the rest.
Price of m43 bodies was a bit of sticker shock for me but the prices of lenses and used lenses more than made up for it. That and I carry it for more often because 35-100 is far smaller than full frame equivalents when biking.
What are FF equivalents?
I mean which lenses?
If you hit your subscriber goal, please do another Battle At F-Stop Ridge please!
Hi,
Nice analysis.
Love the S5iiX,price feature under 2K€ the best.
Most of us don't need more.
And actually you have pretty sweet cheap FF Meike prime with AF 33,55,85 1.8 around 200$ sure bigger than MFT glass but the price is not an argument...the new Samyang 35-150 is big but 2-2.8 continus and is cheaper faster than MFT 10-25 1.7 claim to be parfocal as well but I think it is more a gimmick😅
About GH7 it is always on sale in EU around 1800-1900 € after taxes and uvp was 2200 € 2 month ago
But nowhere near the price you bought yours I saw one on a flash sale around 1650€...
IMHO GH7 could be the last of his kind even for myself it is really hard to justify to buy new MFT gear....
The S5iiX is my preferred camera too because the AFC work even on old EF mount lenses really good (even my old sigma 150-500 it is doing a fine job with the Voltron adapter)
For myself if I see a GH7 in a price range like yours I will buy it...nowadays like you sais the uvp price is too high!!!
I am with Chris on the use of "literally". Drives me crazy too. It's misused in literally every comment thread 🙂
With my Sony A mount the 24-105 was my favorite lense. Not the sharpest in my bag, but simply the best travel, and just 'one lense' excursion lense. I wish the other lense manufactures would get on that wagon.
I've shot exclusively mft for about 10 years now, and it has legitimately never hindered me once.
Love the shirts, especially the LoCA one. And shame on those that haven't yet subscribed.
I miss small & lower cost M43 options, picked up my GX85 for £450~.
Any updates on the release date of R5 mkii ?
I have no doubt there is s place for MFT in 2024. But why only in the top end? Where are MFT equivalent to Fuji X-S20 or Sony ZV-E10?
They could work not only as a stand alone product but most small productions need B cameras too. I just can't wrap my head around this missing segment in MFT system.
When you have affordable MFT lenses, a lot of older DSLR lenses and adapters / speed boosters
Recommendation as Entry-Drug? Easy.
Always and everytime I recommend (as professional videographer/photographer/designer): X-H2s and Tamron lenses. Compact, great for everything (80%) and then you also have something that you can definteley sell on the used market once you outgrown your "general purpose photographer state"
If less budget: Lumix G9II with 12-60 + 100-400
I never recommend anything above 5k Bundle Price - unless the person is PRO.
20:19 CIPA ratings are strange, but in my experience they are surprisingly accurate for cameras with small batteries, especially Canon and Sony. If their rating says 230 shots, it is usually that number of shots. On the other hand, CIPA rated the Nikon J1 at around 200 shots, yet it had the longest battery life I saw on a small camera at the time :)
I find it interesting that virtually every reviewer of MFT cameras mentions that you have to accept the degraded quality of the MFT sensor. They love this camera but.. it's MFT. I don't get it. I've been shooting MFT since 2008, and with the right software, the smaller sensor is absolutely NOT an issue. I've sold magazine covers and produced prints larger than 40x60 inches. Even the Sony A1 needs software to go as large as 40x60 inches. There is such bias from virtually all reviewers against anything but the so-called full frame. Herr's a video showing the sizes I'm printing from files produced by both Lumix and OM System cameras. th-cam.com/video/hyzeUX-BkKI/w-d-xo.html
Might want to do a "canned, pre-recorded" ad read for Olympus sponsored intro? ! Other than that, great content and loved your discussion points on Lumix GH7 and micro 4/3rds.
Future merch ideas: the correct pronounciation of bokeh and the letter Z (Chris's edition)
So the story of Jordan, a japanesse trained, bicycle wielding bar fighter, continues! Please make a short story known to us every week. Like a manga, but probably in a noir setting. His arch nemesis could be a personified fly fishing rod...
Walnuts and mushrooms?? What was the second choice cotton candy and fizzy pop?
When it comes to digital still photography, I always refer to everything that happens in Lightroom/Capture One as “developing.” I think it’s a good term from the analog darkroom that can find new life in the digital Lightroom! If I have to do anything in Photoshop, I would call that “editing,” but the lines are getting very blurred as Adobe keeps adding more and more AI stuff to Lightroom…
Been using FF Canon for almost 20 years. Migrated to MFT, and I love it. Especially the fact that pro grade lenses and bodies are lighter and cheaper than Canon's L lenses.
Sure, I lose some shallow DOF "advantage" but I feel that's an argument made by pixel peepers and folks who can't compose a picture.
BTW I am glad I could check out MFT setup before I made the decision, because if I were to listen to reviewers - I would have stayed with FF. Many reviews out there be like "camera is built awesome, lens are great, the setup is cheaper than FF and weather sealed, can't recommend, it's MFT".
I’m going on safari next year and have the 24-100mm range (FF equiv) covered. I’m looking to get a second body and lens to cover the 150-600 range. Something with decent video capabilities would be a huge bonus. In full frame, There is nothing in that focal length that is even vaguely tempting when it comes to travel. MFT has a good handful of lens and body combos to choose from
Just sold my last piece of MFT gear today, OMD EM1X + 12-100 F4 pro. Ever since I sold the Olympus 100-400 and 300 F4, I have been trying pretty hard to unload my EM1X and 12-100, but just so hard to find buyer, well, it's so hard to find a MFT user , period !!!, but so happy today I fond a serious buyer and got a reasonable offer so I am finally out of the MFT land.
Does anyone else wish there was 35mm to 85mm F2.8?
I say this regularly and can’t believe it doesn’t already exist. 35-50-85mm are the three essential primes for most people, and focal lengths ≤28mm are much more versatile as compact primes (think vlogging or street photography). I’d gladly trade the wide end for a proper portrait focal length on the long end.
Love your pod casts! BTW Jordan, tamron isn't the only mfg of the 35-350... Samyang/Rokinon started producing a version.
Talking about the "Sigma signature zoom", it would be the 18-50mm f/2.8 ! It's APSC yes, but it's a best seller and a no brainer !
i used to crave f1.4 primes and ff cameras, then i realized noise reduction has improved so much and slog2's noise has clouded my mind
not going to start switching to mft , but i can see the reason why mft still exist nowadays
Some people already speculated about successor to Pen-F or M1x.
Last year I purchased new M1x from UK for 900 pounds, arrived with bricked firmware and I had to fix it myself. Right now its a camera which drives me to go pro with photography, and I really would like to see successor to it.
How is the GH7 in low light? Compared to the s5iix? Is it good enough for documentary work?
M43 makes sense for video work where you're controlling lighting, and not much else (though some niches exist).
My last friend on M43 finally switched to an A7C for a similar small footprint with higher quality shots and better AF.
I switched from FF and APS-C to MFT and have never been happier.
Smaller, lighter, more fun = more good photos
@@FierceSleepingDog phones are even smaller and lighter!
@@HappyHubris Phones make sense in some situations, full frame in others, for me MFT is in between (balance of size and capability) and covers 90% of it.
@@FierceSleepingDog Thanks for sharing!
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me.
Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
I wish LUMIX would make a full frame GX85
The low-light performance of the GH7 makes it a hard call. And I'm not talking about shooting at night with a fast aperture, which will look totally great. I mean shooting during daylight, indoors, in poorly lit environments where you need a large depth of field.
How high can you crank the iso before noise is bad?
I wouldn't. The GH5 (my daily workhorse) will be my last M43 camera. The price and features of FF cameras now make the MFT cameras less appealing than they were, especially during the GH2 era.
What were the foods? Haggis? Head cheese? Lutefisk?
Natto, walnuts, and mushrooms are pretty tame honestly.
Yes. OM-1 MK2. I think it's the best wildlife camera on the market. If you add the 150-400 , then It's the best wildlife kit on the market. Easy.
Thanks for sharing!
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me.
Keeping in mind I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office, please share some suggestions for a body and lens to have with me everyday.
The om-1 mark ii was above my pricepoint everywhere then i went to japan and got it for 1.6k brand new. Like wtf thats a steal
"This looks like Ansel Adams work"
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? IT'S FVCKING PHOTOGRAPHY!
I just pressed the subscribe button three times to help you out.
I was 4/3 during g7 era, but jumped ship to Fuji for their lens line up. I would have stayed 4/3 if they added phase detection earlier