Panasonic G9 II vs OM System OM-1: Which is the GREATEST Micro 4/3 camera?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- The OM System (Olympus) OM-1 was the undisputed king of Micro 4/3 cameras until the recent arrival of the Panasonic G9 II. Chris Niccolls and Jordan Drake are pitting these two titans against each other in the ultimate battle for M43 supremacy!
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0:00 - Intro
0:40 - Handling
2:39 - Displays
3:36 - Burst Shooting
4:50 - Battery Life
6:01 - Lenses
7:46 - Image quality
9:18 - Video
11:08 - Autofocus
13:41 - The results - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Extra computational features on the OM1 such as live ND (which is far more useful than just for taking waterfall pictures), focus stacking and starry AF.
A note on the G9s buffer: while the buffer is larger, the readout to the sd card is significantly slower than the OM1 as detailed in Duade Paton’s wildlife review. So basically, on the G9, you can do one huge burst of shots, but then you’ll have to wait quite a while before you can burst again. OM1’s buffer is smaller but readout is so much faster, so you can do many shorter bursts
Well Emily did a buffer test comparing the two and found that they cleared the buffer in about the same time. But she is Lumix ambassador and also a woman so interpret that as you'd like.
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9:25
200*25MP = 5000MP of data vs 140*20MP = 2800MP of data, almost 2x.
Also, SD cards can have or cannot have a small DRAM buffer on chip so if the SD card on chip DRAM buffer is full the process is slowed down significantly. A fair comparison would be Panasonic in medium resolution, to have the same data rate.
On Panasonic you can also use an ssd.
Watch the Duade Paton’s wildlife review referenced above. He gives all the stats on screen. It's no good having a larger, deeper buffer (8GB he calculates) if it takes 53 secs to clear (Duade's timing) and you miss a ton of action. The OM1 may be smaller but it clears in 9 secs (ref. Duade). So unless you are planning to shoot 200 RAW bursts the OM buffer is a far better for most of us that shoot in small bursts. @@HokKan
@@kevinharding9361 yeah I saw his review. The G9II start time is also very alarming. I'm going to miss a ton of shots just waiting for the camera to turn on. Basically forced to leave it in sleep mode and drain battery or accidentally wake it up as I trek around.
Wow! Cudos to Panasonic for getting phase detect right on their first attempt. Impressive! I think I'll stick with my OM-1 for now, since I'm mainly a stills/wildlife guy, and I really love the ergonomics of the OM-1. It just feels good!
Kudos to Pana indeed. As a long time Olympus shooter I'm baffled how they just .. did it. Whereas Oly/M has been on it for a decade and in this time they've achieved the same level. Should be way ahead.
@@muzzadventures maybe Panasonic has more R&D monies from selling their FF cameras. Olympus was poor and corrupt. A team with talent, but held back by budget and poor leadership.
It most certainly is not Pansonics first camera with PDAF. And prototypes have been running at least since 2021.
The ergonomics are very good. While I prefer the menu system of Panasonic, and even Fuji as far as the X-H2S is concerned, the overall feel and enjoyability of use goes to the OM-1. The main thing that feels inconvenient is the location of the menu button, which also serves as a "back" button. This should be located over by the selection buttons/pad. This is how most cameras do it. Otherwise, you need to use two hands to navigate menus, which seems awkward, especially in tense moments while out shooting. I also appreciate the sensor for the EVF being moved to the top on the G9ii. That's a brilliant idea, one which I hope other manufacturers will pick up.
When it comes down to it, I'm primarily a stills shooter as well. The video modes on the OM-1 may be a bit to be desired, but they work in the instance when you need them. I've actually found the modes using 8-bit and photo profiles to be overly sharp. Where the settings work well for the photo profiles, they aren't implemented the same way when used in video. I'd rather not have to go in and manually change sharpness and contrast to improve this each time I want to shoot video. So here's hoping this is something OMDS can fix with a firmware update. I don't shoot in log as I don't do video enough to want to mess with color grading. I just need something quick out of camera that works in a pinch. Then again, I'm willing to bet OM Systems is working on a major firmware update to help them compete with Panasonic and their new G9ii. I do have to give them some credit for putting out 5 updates since the camera's release, and working to improve the cross-pixel PDAF. PDAF might've been something the company had experience with, however, the OM-1 uses a very different type of sensor that no doubt requires starting from scratch, just about. I'm sure the math is some crazy stuff. So here's appreciation to the engineers and software developers. I know it can't be easy ironing this out. I have no doubt it can be improved further with time. I eagerly await firmware version 2.0.
@@muzzadventures No disrespect to Panasonic, but it's always easier to "copy" (i.e. implement) something after someone else has done it. Again, not taking away anything from Panasonic but they were way behind in their autofocus so really had no choice but to come out with a highly competent technology.
You could have started the video with ‘There’s no dogs in this competition’; both are nice cameras. Sounds like the clear winner for video was the G9ii and for the photographer the OM1, but both would work well enough for most for either. Sounds largely like the whole OM vs Panny lines; with Panny more video focused and OM (Olympus) more for photography; with Panny being slightly better for the hybrid folks and the OM for the outdoors shooter (specifically identified in their corporate business approach). On the lens side I get a similar impression, but perhaps less pronounced. Great choices either way; for me I would lean more towards smaller kit, but both are fairly big cameras and systems given some of the APSC options out there too. . Fun video guys!
The Panasonic's burst rate advantage isn't slight; the OM-1 can only do 50 FPS with a few of the Olympus Pro lenses, while the G9 II can do 60 with any autofocus lens.
I shoot with OM-1 with lenses that support 50 FPS and I almost never use it. The slower 25 FPS is far more useful. 50 is too excessive for large majority of cases and it just becomes an annoyance to cull through hundreds and thousands of images that look more or less the same. For slower more useful burst rates, the OM-1 has blackout free 25 FPS, while the G9II offers 20 FPS. I don't think I'd ever use 60 - 20 would be my go-to option.
Same here it is really frustrating to look through 100's of photo's that are nearly identical@@HokKan
@@HokKan But you have the options in case you need it. Pro wildlife shooters appreciate 50fps very often. Of Course G9 II would benefit from having 30 and 40fps aside from 60fps, but I hope it will be added someday!
@@przybylskipawel I'd rather the option of 25 over 20. That is more useful to me than the difference of 60 over 50.
@@HokKanso what YOU need is what matters in a statistical comparison showing one is better than the other. Quite a self centered view you got there. I’m sure if you stopped taking mediocre photos the world would be just fine.
Great review, guys! This is the most balanced and comprehensive comparison review of these two great cameras I've seen. I am SOOOOO glad you are both still doing your thing!
Thanks - great analysis of two fine cameras! Because I do concentrate on photography, I prefer the OM1, and I very much prefer the way it feels to use, like a tool that’s an extension of my hand. Completely satisfied with image quality.
1:35 I just found out that in panasonic bodies you can lock your settings/dial functions by assigning 'operation lock' to fn button!
Really appreciate your videos and reviews.
8:00 Looks like the G9II is resolving more detail, though this could just be a function of the respective lenses. Would be nice to have comparisons using the same MFT lens on both bodies, ideally a sharp prime. 9:10 G9II seems to have more color noise, but better color preservation in those lifted shadows. Jordan's eyes are almost colorless in the OM-1 shot.
Don't even bother, people get fooled by these biased reviews all the time
By Monday, I'll have one of each, and I expect to be very happy with both. OM-1 primarily for stills, G9ii primarily for video, backups for each other. Nice comparison video, well done.
I've been saving up for a G9M2. But then the DJI Pocket 3 showed up. Bought one immediately. Full attention on it for a while. Then, maybe, back to the G9M2. In the meantime, for stills I'm pretty satisfied with my OM-1.
Unfortunately no G9II tomorrow. It was delayed till next Monday… 😢
4:31 Don't forget to mention the BIG CAVEAT: the max frames per seconds is only available with a handful of Olympus lenses. On the vast majority of Olympus lenses and all Panasonic lenses, this frame rate is not available on the OM1.
Why ruin a video with minor detais? Let the buyer find out the hard way! He just gave image quality to the camera that had the mushiest image!
@@DarioCanadaPhotography Wow - that's some statement - or should I say cheap shot?
People are assuming that because Panasonic hasn't published a lit of high frame rate compatible lenses that means any lens will work. That's not logical because the lens has to keep up with the fast focus demand and most won't. It's not the camera body that's the limitation - it's the lens. Remember, testing a lens' focus speed is a standard part of lens reviews.
@@gregfeeler6910Olympus forcefully disables the high frame rates on lenses not in their list - so even if a Panasonic lens could catch up with the focus (and let's face it, the highest frames don't even DO auto-focus and are STILL disabled), you won't be able to use it on an OM1. That's a bit shoddy. The G9II will let you shoot the high frame rates no issues whatsoever with any lens - if the lens cannot keep up with auto-focus, so what. You miss a frame or two.
Clearly, Panasonic has the better and more honest approach here.
@@thedarkslide Absolutely agree, my Pana Leica 200 f2.8 & 100-400 are capable of 240FPS focusing, but OM Systems deliberately restricts them to 25FPS on my OM-1 and doesn’t allow them to work in ProCapture mode. This is really poor customer service and should be rectified in a firmware update.
Thank you for this review.
As a G9 and OM-1 owner I have a personal preferrence but so has everybody here. Get whatever camera you like this is good for M43. I am happy the system as such good cameras to showcase.
My workhorse is still my Olympus EM-1 Mark II with my Panasonic Lumix 35-100 f2.8. It's a very versatile combination for my uses.
Mine too, also with the 12-35 and 100-400 PL which football etc is really great.
How's the weather sealing on that combo? Any experiences?
@flicker_freak I honestly don't shoot in adverse conditions much other than a light sprinkle once in a while or heavy morning dew so I really can't speak to that. I just find it's a combination that suits my needs a lot.
yup... I have Mark II also... I LOVE it! Just bought 12-40 Pro 2.8 for 500 eur and I am astonished how good it performs... Just an awesome best buy second hand camera/lens.
With the panasonic G9M2, you can lock the control elements using the F1 button and you can even choose which elements you want to lock. That's why it never happened to me that I accidentally moved, for example, the aperture or the shutter angle during video
You 2 guys are doing great job, thanks for sharing, I appreciate y’all being a old man, OM 1 will be my second camera
Despite shooing Nikon for years... I watched the entire video because.. it's Jordan and Chris! :-)
W0W! Thank you guys 👏🏻
The video I have wanted to watch so far. Satisfied!
Let's say it loud for the viewers in the back row, "if you were worried that OM's sponsorship of the podcast would taint their reviews and objectiveness--WATCH THIS VIDEO." That is all... and well, great video!
I say that they should remove the high iso test from this video, that area in particular sits unwell with me, because I see more detail in G9II in that comparison. More noise too yes, but at least Jordan still has some color in his eyes.
Thanks for a well structured review.
Excellent review.
i wish OM System would give us some solid video firmware updates! it’s SOOOO close. i feel like if they added features like the G9ii in the OM-1 it would be the clear winner
Agreed. I use it as my primary camera for personal projects and would love it if had better video capabilities.
Well that isn't going to happen. Even the OM1 Mk II doesn't have a video improvement. OM certainly isn't going to put it in the Mk I (or give the Mark I any other features for that matter.) Shame really.
Would have been nice to mention that higher burst speeds on the OM1 are only possible with certain OM/Olympus pro lenses which is quite a bit stupid ... for me the G9 II is the clear winner in that regard even though it is a bit slower writing the buffer to the SD card (that wasn't mentioned too) - I guess its a tie ...
"which is quite a bit stupid" how the h it's stupid? You do realize that the speed of shooting depends not only on the camera but also on the lens, right?
Check out my post above. The OM-1 will support a whole list of lenses at 50fps mode - I know because I tested them. It's unfortunate when people start repeating things that are not true.
That's because those lenses are capable of focusing fast enough between frames. No point building software compatibility if the hardware is going to limit you.
Holding 2 OM-1's yet I'm considering to purchase a G9ii soon maybe in order to fill the gaps, a.o. video features, a 2nd app for receiving the GPS signal (as only 1 per app is connecting), increased resolution and better matching ("washing") lenses of Panasonic (IS, etc.) plus eventually better tracking and AF capabilities - the more grain in DR can be compensated well by using the right NR software like e.g. DXO...
Battery life on the G9 2 isn't really an issue as you can carry a spare or use a battery grip or even power the camera from a power bank.
As hobbyist and on my way to upgrade from Fuji x-t3, it seems that these M4/3 cameras are a very interesting alternative... Thanks for videos.
You'll regret it if you like Fuji colors or image quality
I'd say wait for more tests. While the G9II seems to show promise, I think the ultimate test will be the dpreview's studio scene. I know G9II will have good detail, as this video shows the low light, the lowlight scene G9II has good detail. But question is if there's good improvement in high ISO noise (which this vid failed to demonstrate), which only the DPreview studio scene will be show (indoor light/lightbulb symbol , raw , 6400 ISO , and compare to other MFT cameras). It's the method I've always used to determine if sensor has improved, and I've found it to be very good test for this.
Thanks for your advice, for me buying new stuff is always a very long journey. So I'm going to wait. Have a nice day
@@Geert890My first choice was the x-s20 and for me, the Fuji Color Science isn't a deal-breaker compare to the stab, auto-focus problems. I always love my x-t3, my 16-80 and my 90mm, but it was for me a real investment, a lot of money... And Fuji isn't able to offer only their last simulations to their ancient customers , only that ! And not so ancient ! And as I can see all around, it seems that Lumix, Olympus and all the others brands colors science are not so terrible. But I'm going to wait for a firmware update that could change my mind. Sorry for my English...
My X-T3 always feels superior to my M43 gear, no contest in one on one comparison. But my M43 gear is a bit old. They might have closed the gap a bit.
in DR test Panasonic, despite some color noise, has much better color details and sharper image in the shadows
They both look like shit compared to anything with a bigger sensor
I highly doubt it.
Great review! I am a Lumix guy. I see that your river is already freezing way up there! :-)
I've been on the fence about upgrading my two E-M1 Mark IIIs to a couple of OM-1s, or one G9II for telephoto and one S5II for wide/normal work. Even though I've been using OMD for ages, I think this has convinced me to go with Lumix. Thanks for the great analysis, as always!
If you don't need PDAF I strongly recommend the original S5. I love mine, and they're dirt cheap 2nd hand, plenty of features and compared to many others in FF.
Sadly I do need PDAF since you're right - it's crazy how cheap S5's are on the used market right now. 😳
@@sambennett5203 YEP! It's a monster of a camera, if you don't mind shooting manual! I have loved mine. I will upgrade to the S5 IIx when it comes down in price, I think. Too expensive rn.
Well done:-)! Thanks!
Thanks guys great review. Great that Micro 4/3 has 2 strong brands ( competition always good ). I have OM1 mainly for Birds/ wildlife. Loving it great for hiking with and weather sealing. Also loving the podcast ; i think Canadians are like us Aussies, just a little bit quirky boardering on Nut jobs! Love it!
I think we need to deep dive into G9II image quality. I have read a lot in Chinese social media. It can shoot 16bit raw by enable dr boost. it is a feature you need turn on which in GH6 it only apply to video but now it can apply to raw photo as well. From what I saw some comparsion the shadow is much clean when raised up. And under certain situations it will be disabled. I read like use High burst and shutter slower than 1/15s. These info may not be 100% correct. But certainly there are some intellgent tricks behind G9II and quite complicated whether it is enabled or disabled.
Isn't 16 bit otherwise only available on the Hasselblad?
@@mipmipmipmipmipFrom Chinese community's test, it is 16bit thanks to the DGO technology or Panasonic call it DR boost. It apply to raw photo now. But when in situation it is not enabled, the raw is back to 12bit. This needs more test to prove when American reviewers got hands on the final production.
I'm also curious about this
I'm not 100% sure but I think many people mix up I-dynamic and DR BOOST. DR BOOST is always activated in photo. But you can also activate I-dynamic to lift shadows, but it is something you can do in your raws in post.
@@aiseurnae5976it auto activated in photo, but not available in SH burst modes or below 1/15 based on Panasonics specs.
I agree with the review. I have an OM-1 and I love it, as a stills shooter. The handling is perfect for me, and I really like all the OM computational features. The G9II is great as well for video especially. But having the experience I’ve had, I would buy the OM-1 again. If I didn’t know what I know now, I’d probably buy the G9II though. So I’m glad I got the OM-1 before the G9 came out.
I'm still surprised that both Panasonics and OM Systems shutters can only do 10fps, when Fujifilm has had a 15fps mechanical shutter for their bigger APS-C sensors for a while now.
Especially since a Z8 can shoot 45 megapixel raws at 20 fps
@ todsysurcharge771 I think you missed the point.
Yes, the Z8 can shoot more than 10fps, but that is using the electronic shutter - as it doesn't have a mechanical shutter. Both the G9 II ans OM-1 can shoot MUCH faster in ES-mode than the Z8.
Chris/Jordan, really enjoyed the video on this one. Would have been nice to see some discussion about the menu system navigation and more discussion of ergonomics on both cameras. Those seem to be very important on a daily/practical scale. Also the G9II does shoot dual gain HDR single and continuous shots too, which should (theoretically) improve stills images, correct? I didn't see that mentioned. Either way I think it's a toss up with these two and comes down to preferences. The G9II may not have a weather sealed rating but I feel pretty confident using it just like my EM1X based on Panasonic's language about its weather sealing. Definitely prefer Oly's pro lenses for bad weather work though, no doubt. The 12-100 f/4 Pro would make an excellent choice for the G9II for stills or video.
I had the om1 and sold it as the front and back dials did not move anymore after a year.. AF problems and honestly i prefer the frond dials of the previous versions or the g9 II !
The video feature which seems to be more and more useful is full-sensor readout. The GH6/G9II allows a 4K *vertical* crop in the 5.7K full-sensor mode.
I thought on my S5iiX this would be the case, but I found out this is more a influencers thing than really useful.
6K opengate is 4:2:0, while 6K ProRes is 4:2:2. I Prefer to get a vertical crop (which I honestly hate, but might be necessary) from the ProRes, the end quality is better, even when you have to crop more.
@@JoJoOnTheMove 6k 4:2:0 is very similar colour resolution to 4k 4:2:2 once you downsample.
@@Wildridefilms I agree, buts that's why I prefer than ProRes, much less taxing on my PC and better quality.
Very nice video! (as always). I think you didn't mention the ND filter on the OM1. It's very useful... I think(?). Thanks a lot!
The Pentax K1II cameo (with the "new" FA 50mm) is the best part lol
Panasonic made a good all-around camera this time. Hope to see a refresh of G95 and G100 too with same PDAF.
The one thing I would have liked to hear more about was how they compare in terms of rolling shutter when using the electronic shutter. The OM should be better on paper, but is it the case that both are so fast that it simply doesn’t matter? If so, does that imply that stacked sensors do not provide meaningful benefit at this sensor size/resolution?
You're looking at 1/80s on the G9ii vs 1/125s on the OM1. Both very fast, but the OM1 is 50% faster. And panning skew is corrected in camera on the G9ii I believe.
My pick has long been...one of each! And a mix of lenses, of course.
First, I REALLY wish someone with a review copy of the G9ii would have shown if it has the same xpan style image size/crop built in like the S5 does.
There is one thing worth pointing out when it comes to mixing lenses on bodies. To get the best top in features for Olympus/OM like the preshot or whatever, you need the pro lenses. Panasonic bodies are agnostic, everything but dual ibis works regardless of the lens. Oh, and if you’re looking for straight out of camera jpegs, the lut thing with the G9ii may be worth exploring (I find Olympus colors to rival even my foveon stuff, but it’s worth considering).
Worth pointing out too that if you’re looking for a body asap, the OM-1 can be found used in great condition for around 1409-1500 usd, so 400+ savings. The MSRP on the G9ii is lower, so maybe when used bodies pop up they’ll also be a bit cheaper in that aspect.
You also have way more Lumix lenses in all price ranges that will give you Dual IS
Nice balance review guys. I own 2 x OM-1 but expect G9II to outperform OM-1 since it is almost two years older. About the frame rate and buffer, I believe G9II in high frame rate mode, should you hit the buffer, you will need for it to be fully cleared before you can shoot again. Unlike OM-1, you can continue to keep shooting but at much lower frame rate and in most cases, it is still ok at 10 FPS. May be this will be fixed in later FW for the G9II. But it is the same issue since the first G9. Wish OMDS can improve OM-1 video AF capabilities. Currently it isn't good enough.
You guys rock!
Hi Chris,
Were you able to test the G9II with the 150-400? I am really curious about this combination for wildlife.
I haven’t yet. I certainly could, I imagine it would work just fine. Lens IS and IBiS in sync is great but it’s not the best all end all. The improvement is generally quite small and fast shutter speeds are important regardless of any stabilization
@@niccollsvideo "I certainly could" - please do, if you can find the time :)
This should be a fun video.
Edit: this was a fun video.
going to the dentist is more fun.
@@GrenlandUnderVannYour dentist is admittedly hilarious though.
On the DR comparison, the G9II looks sharper, and it not because of the little bump of resolution. The OM-1 looks like there are some internal noise reduction.
Thanks for this video. Hoping to see a OM-1, G9 II versus S5 II show-down soon. How many stops of dynamic range and low-light performance does the S5II really have over the best MFT cameras.
My most used lenses are not the sharpest. Likewise my most used camera is the heaviest. I favor the equipment that makes the photography experience the most enjoyable for me. A big part of that comes from how the equipment feels in my hand. There is no substitute for handling a camera and lens before making a purchase decision.
Than look the hybrid shooter test "you tube"between g9II and S5II.Nice Test...
@@essiturbo Good suggestion and a nice video. I watched that video a while ago. Hybrid Shooter did not answer my questions nor did convince that full frame is worth the extra weight. I do not need shallow depth of field or the "cinematic look."
When it comes to actually working with equipment, it is not the color or the looks that count but the ergonomics, which is a feature that is difficult to describe other than it must feel right for you when you hold it.
I will never get tired of the “Jordan running” test
The fact that the Oly is his Every Day Carry is telling.
Noise levels and lack of dynamic range put me off the G9ii I almost ordered. Pity, but I’ll wait to see more test results.
If OM System provided ‘proper’ video options then the OM1 would be a fairly complete camera. I prefer the OM1 to my A1 - heed Chris - it’s just so enjoyable to shoot with!
Looking to buy an OM1 too altho this G9/2 has my attention. Let's see what the new Om1 v2 offers.
I dont really understand the bad dynamic range talk about the g9 and gh6. I always was happy with my gh5 dynamic range in photos even tough it always could be better of course. I edited full frame photos as well and i dont see. Much difference in dynamic range. Do i miss something?
Particularly surprised to see dynamic range better on the OM sensor. In my eyes, Olympus photos get colors a lot closer to what I want straight out of the box, but I'm sure there are situations in which the Lumix treatment would also be better. I feel my older Olympus (not an om1) inspires me more to go out and use it, but that's a very personal thing. And my Lumix is way better for video ...
I'm suprised too, Richard Wong's G9ii video came to the opposite conclusion - the G9ii was vastly superior in shadow recovery in his RAW testing.
I'm guessing the OM1's baked-in noise reduction deceived them. The OM1 shot showed quite aggresive smearing and bandings on Jordan's coat, indicating the sensor being pushed to the limit.
I think far too many people are memorized by the 5 extra MP of the Lumix sensor over the OM-1. OMDS selected the stacked sensor in the OM-1 because it's of the newest generation of advanced sensors being used in commercial products, and has many advantages which are not as commonly talked about as resolution. However, let's say that the edge goes to the G9II sensor - I doubt that most of use could tell a deference and that difference would be essentially moot in real world use. Both cameras are damn fine.
@@gregfeeler6910 good point. If they put that sensor in an om5 it will make my next camera buy very tough. For the moment I aspire no farther into modernity than the m5ii, which people seem to adore and hang on to. Obviously my uses are just personal inspiration, nothing professional.
@@busydadscooking001 The last couple of years I've had a bad case of GAS (Gear Accusation Syndrome) which has been a lot of (expensive) fun, and I've found some things I really like, but the biggest improvement in my photography has come from taking more pictures, critiquing my own work and getting feedback from others, and watch videos on how to use the features of my gear. Your E-M5 Mk II is great camera. Enjoy it!
I'm a bit fearful that OM Systems won't be around for the long term, considering the snail-like pace they have demonstrated in developing new cameras/lenses. In view of that, I sold the excellent functioning OM-1 and Olympus lenses (other than the outstanding 90mm macro) and have pre-ordered a G9II. I have also acquired a stable of Panasonic/Pan-Leica lenses. Despite the cross-compatibility with Olympus lenses, I like the idea of synching the G9II with Panasonic lenses, and believe that I will achieve maximum stability going that route.
How long do you think they will be around here for?
The future of photography is very unsure, for larger brands as well. As long as the market is not stabilizing Canon, Nikon and Sony also have to find ways to downsize their production and maximise profits. OM-System recently invested in new lens research facility. Before the G9II announcement everyone was worried Panasonic quit M4/3. Before S5II the L-Mount as well. Note that OM is rebranding all the Olympus gear and also took a long time to restructure internally. I see more and more brands starting fishing in M4/3 territory so my guess is that they do this because of shrinking demand in their current fishing territory.
Nonsense ,,,with the 150-400mm lens they have opened the road to better and lighter cameras for birders and safari fans.
@@eelco6587 Spot on. It's often easier for smaller and more nimble companies to survive than giant ones mired in bureaucracy.
@@gregfeeler6910 finally some sense.
You people are the 1st one i come to for an honest unbiased opinion.
You guys covered adapted EF lenses on m43 very well a few years back. We are hoping you will revisit Metabones adapters on the G9 II with PDAF. For m43 I use GH5s bodies with the EM1X and this allows for a great balance of options using adapted glass for video and photo, however the main transition has been to L-mount where adapted EF lenses are very useful for video, but still limited using the MC-21 only. The main interest in investing in another m43 body would be to make full use of the two primary Speedbooster products from Metabones with PDAF since many of us invested in these for the GH5 body series, and Olympus/OM can only make use of one of these due to shutter-curtain contact with the XL variant while Panasonic allows for this. A little nudge for Metabones to update their firmware might come from your re-review of speedboosters and adapters on the G9 II, so 'Please' let us know what to expect and this might be different from the OM-1 experience using the same.
G9II works very well with the speedboosters, there multiple tests on TH-cam and no issues, it tracks impeccable.
@@SMGJohnwhere? I couldn't find any. Please attach a link
Thanks John, I will have to look harder then, though I suspect we are talking about different products and/or technology. I only subscribe to a few channels and have been following C&J from TCSTV times, and there is a history there for Jordan and Chris to give context. @@SMGJohn
@@Wildridefilmslook up the G9II video using speed booster with 400/2.8
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Two great cameras that will keep MFT viable moving forward.
Video, stills, and hybrid shooters have excellent choices to choose from.
Well done Panasonic and OM Systems.
Well, while I agree both G9II and OM-1 are great cameras, I think OM System should start to be more vocal, give some news what they're planning, maybe say "next camera 1-2 years from now" or whatever, just to boost some confidence. That 90mm macro looks really really good food insect photogaphy (probably some reverse lens setups will be easier too thanks to its longer than 120equiv reach), but body wise I'm unsure how long away are they from releasing new body. For wildlife, more than 20mp would be nice, and any high iso improvements are more than welcome.
I think DR comparison need to be compared with Highlight Recovery beside pushing shadows. Some sensor are more intended to saving more highlight data
I only wished you'd mention the diabolical power switch on the OM1 but mention the dial on the G9ii which can be locked with a button. 😅
I own the OM-1 and the S5. The mode dial on both needs no locking mechanism. Both are hard to turn accidentally. The OM-1 power switch is just something to get used to. You can keep the camera on most of the time without any power drain. The S5 on the other hand eats the battery much faster, you want to turn it of between shots. Had the S5II for some time, the dial on the top back is really an annoyance. This is much better on the original S5.
How about macro focus stacking?
Being MFT, both cameras would be suitable for wildlife photography and video. It would have been good to see a comparison between the two with this in mind. Specifically, I would like to see how well the G9II does with 4K 120p autofocus for birds in flight. The OM1 C-AF is not able to follow birds in flight for video and for me this is a huge difference between the cameras. But it's still unclear how good the G9II autofocus with 4K120p is with birds in flight. Haven't found anyone on TH-cam that has tested this.
Tony Northup did "ultimate wildlife" comparison of different systems/cameras for wildlife, and found Fuji and Canons to fare better than MFT. He seems to give R7 praise on some G9II vs R7 video, and I generally agree, the new RF lenses for Canon system seem to offer wide coverage, from 700g, to 1.3kg, to 2kg (all within 400-500-800 tele range I think). If I were starting anew, that current RF lens line-up/diversity looks very enticing.
Nice and fast and comparison, I would have liked to see a much more detailed one. So since handheld Hires is there why not show a couple of images. And while Panny's has much higher res handheld and somewhat higher on a tripod the downside is that the max is 1 s exposure. I use longer ones on my EM1.2 surely with noctliucent clouds or the occasional aurora. G9 is like always restricted. But since my EM1.2 is not going anywhere and does a good job for such things why I can take it. One thing I did not hear that i very important in Hires: G9 Mark II can get rid of any movement in Hires mode, that is a huge difference to my mind. Not mentioned here.
EVF MP etc is one thing, but how does it look in reallife? Would I note the difference. How fast are the readout speads, are there blackouts while shooting sports or bursts? I hear nothing about that very important aspect?
Image quality. Well on my laptop I do not see what you show. I believe the OM1 can be a better, I just do not see anything in these sampels. What I do see in the crp of the landscape shot it that the OM1 output looks less detailed, mushier. With Jordan I still barely see anything and I do not see better DR. I think for comparison both pics should have been resized so we can compare. I think there is nothing in it and from what I understod elsewehere is that the sensor is much better than the GH6, not just a little but we'll have to wait and see that at dpreview.
Autofocussing on a big contrasty guy walking to you is probably not so challenging. My EM1.2 I use for sports with the 100-400 PL does it pretty well, but not with the tracking. Just a small AF point and keeping it on your subject and you are fine. MInd you the combo has zero problems with 3 hours of pouring rain. That PL lens has not problems with dust or rain at all. But when we look at the Northtrups and their comparison the OM1 did a better job in AF (not a huge difference) than the G9 Mark II.
So that are some of the points I make on this video. Two flagshiships with so many options in the cam deserve more than very fast spoken, hasty reviews like this. Did someone need to take the train back? Why so rushed?
I have the Olympus M1 MKII and the menu system drives me nuts, so I prefer the Lumix menus. I "upgraded" from a Lumix GX85 which I find myself using more than the Olympus which is collecting dust. I own Nikon f mount and Z mount gear which is what I primarily shoot with. I chose MFT for low profile, like street photography, or lugging around for long distances The larger MFT bodies aren't exactly appealing to me, but the lenses definitely make up for it.
Size is also a critical factor for me. I tested the original G9 but size was a deal breaker, so went with GX85. CDAF was a problem so in a couple of years moved to E-M5 III, it delivers there, but I do prefer the GX85 menu and body style. If Panasonic came out with a PDAF GX85 replacement, I would be very tempted! Anyway, happy to see MFT continue to live on! Love the smaller form factor (watching FF get smaller though so MFT need to keep improving in body computational features to stay ahead).
OM-1 has a new improved menu system.
@@shlork3936 Does the OM-5 also have the new menu?
@@ak4good Nope. That's why the OM5 is such a joke of a product. It's quite literally a rebranded EM5.3.
@@bIoodypingu Yah that was a weird release. Hope OM completes the transition and starts releasing compelling products soon. 🤞
Hello and thanks for this test. I have a question regarding G9II AF in S-AF (or AFS...) : does it works in phase detection mode in this mode or still in contrast detection mode ? I know that OM-1 can use phase detect mode in s-AF particulary when mounted with older SWD Zuiko lenses that make those good lenses still usable on the OM-1. But I can't find any reliable info on the G9-II using the phase detection in AFS, it sure uses it in C-AF. As I own 2 nice SWD lenses (12-60 & 50-200) and don't want to spend more money in high end equivalent modern lenses (I don't really need the AF speed of moderne lenses ans SWD image quality is great), so the possibility for the G9-II to uses phase detection in S-AF is crucial for me.
Can you do a vid comparing the computational photog features
So… how does dynamic range compare *above* 800 ISO? For BIF, it’s extremely rare that I’m at base ISO anyway. Does it lag behind at higher ISOs too?
Fun and informative.
I don’t like Olympus cameras ergonomics and menu system, OM-1 included, so I will probably take this G9II one day. For the dynamic and noise comparison, I’m surprised by your results as Richard Wong has the opposite conclusion (G9II better than OM-1), and he added images to demonstrate it well.
Yeah I'm curious how they are reading the raw files. The results are indeed very different.
I stuck around with my old Olympus OM-D EM10 for ages but I never felt comfortable with the menus. In the end I've picked up a used GX85 which isn't perfect but because I can easily find my way around I'm enjoying shooting with it more.
"Don't scratch them!" 😂 - That was my feeling too! I am hoping you can answer this question for me as I am considering buying the OM-1 Markii. Will my Panasonic Leica MFT lens (i.e. 8-18mm or 100/300mm) be able to take advantage of the OM-1 face/animal/bird detection? Thank you in advance for the answer and a very informative video!
Hi! Is it still true that Lumix lenses on om/Olympus have problem work the focussing?
Well ok. Nice video, but really is the om-1 that much different to the en5 or em iii? For video, yes, but for stills no. an omd em5 iii (used) i😅s so close, and so cheap, do you you really want to pay three to four times the price for the two?
What about computational features besides the high res shot?
Those are a big advantage for Olympus but I feel like we have belabored that point quite heavily. I do love all those features though.
@@niccollsvideo Thanks Chris! Do you feel that's an area MFT really needs to double down on to continue to be competitive as FF keeps getting smaller?
Suprised you didn't do a review of the menu systems. That's an important field. Also the in camera tools offered by both? All I heard was high res mode.
Olympus have more user friendly menu systems and always have, Panasonic is far more indepth with tons of features most people wont use.
That's news to me. I always heard the opposite. Maybe you're used to Olympus.
When I wanted to get into MFT, I went into a store and asked the guy to change ISO on the Olympus. And he couldn't do it. Maybe he was not skilled, but no matter how unskilled you are, you will always find what you're looking for in a Lumix. So I went with a Pana. @@SMGJohn
@@SMGJohn Hard disagree. I sold my EM1 Mk2 partly because the menu was a maze compared to the Lumix bodies.
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Really? I own both including the old EM-1 Mark 1, and I have no issues with their menu systems, the Mark 1 is, old but so were Panasonic ones at the time, OM-1 is vastly different to the old EM-1 Mark 1 however.
@@SMGJohn ? I use both systems, but the Panasonic is so much more logical, welll arranged even after 7yrs of using my Oly EM1.2 I still hate the menusystem. Always not to dive if some less frequent used settings are needed. I recently bought and LX100II and what a breeze it is. first I love the control on the cam but that menu system is just super easy. But it is probably also up to ones taste. So people should try to figure that one out for themselves.
Which camera handles skin tones best and has better out of camera color?
Great review.
Brand fanboys will be pissed, but I think this is a great review. Honest and straight forward. Two great cameras and now we are getting into the finer details.
I'm a stills photographer and love my OM-1. If I were into creating videos I'd go get a G9ii.
I'd call myself something of an Olympus fanboy, but much more I'm an MFT fanboy and it takes both OMDS and Panasonic to keep this format alive, relevant, and growing, so a win for either brand is a win for both and especially for MFT enthusiasts. And, yes, this is a great review and the first I've seen that address the image quality differences between these two cameras. Too many people are mesmerized by sensor MP count and don't understand all the other qualities - especially dynamic range - which are as much or more important then simple resolution.
9:11 surely you jest :)) seems like an obvious G9II win for me. The OM1 is muddied out.
Also, on photography you have: IQ and burst rate
You should also have for video: IQ and high fps
I can give OM1 battery life and viewfinder, but the OM1 is too small for my hands.
So all in all 2 for OM1 (battery, vf), 5 for G9II (stills IQ, stills burst, VQ, video high fps, AF) with handling a personal preference.
So, same as every year for more than a decade, Olympus cameras are really likeable stills cameras, but Panasonic makes the best hybrid cameras that are superb for video while doing good stills as well.
In other news, scientists say that the sky is blue, and water is wet. And that we all hate that mismanagement and money laundering greed by the Olympus Corp board put the future of Olympus Imaging in such a precarious position. We all want a strong future for Olympus cameras. However, the Olympus focus on stills means that I will always choose Lumix, and especially the G9 series.
G9ii vs X-H2 video please? Pretty please? They are the same price in the US today!
Is there a way of contacting Jordan Drake separately from this site? I want to ask for his expert advice on the best video camera to buy amongst other things but I don’t want to disrupt you both. Alun
I have both Oly and Panny.... have to say, i'm also a Panny fan :)
Really hope Jip keeps the Olympus legacy going with future improvements all round to the very good OM1 and OM5,as well as lens updates where needed. If not, imagine if Dji could buy OM System. That other gear channel discussed Dji possibly getting more into cameras, obviously more video, but they would do well with stills too. Dji is a very focused and progressive company.. But, Japanese engineers would never work for Chinese masters, so wouldn't bet on a proper transfer of IP. Just daydreaming..
Is there a reason the Olympus sponsorship is not disclosed? I have no issue them doing reviews or comparisons I just wish it was clearly stated when a sponsor is in the mix
Yeah I was thinking that myself. They mention that their podcast is sponsored by Olympus but I think they should be upfront in their other videos as it is a possible conflict of interests.
As they've said in one of their podcasts, Jaren is the one who interfaces with OM Systems, so that shouldn't be an issue.
I thought OM System only sponsors their podcast. Do they also sponsor every single video now? When did they make this change?
@@HokKan it's only their podcast that they sponsor
@@RyougiVector but he just said that PetaPixel isn't disclosing the sponsorship here. Doesn't that mean that this review video is sponsored by OM System? Unless he is lying...
Still waiting for a tiny interchangeable lens M4/3rd camera from one of these two. A quiet tiny discreet body with phase detect af would sell sooo well. What a missed opportunity for years now.
EM-5 / OM-5 too big?
@@ak4good for me yes, I shoot with compacts like GRIII, and would love a small interchangeable lens body.
Panasonic gm5 and a 14mm f2.5 + 45 -175 internal zoom and lightweight.@@SilatShooter
@@SilatShooter gx85 is close
@@paulmcwilliams8641No PDAF though. Smallest with PDAF are the EM5.3/OM5. Any smaller and it’s all just CDAF, even the EP7.
Thanks! Great to know the OM-1 still has the better DR and low-light performance, which is key for me. Now all I gotta to figure out is whether to get the G9II for video or hold out for the GH7!
One G9 II on OM1 body is too much to ask?
And when it comes to the latest technologies in video or audio electronic equipment we tend to be obsessed with technical perfection - forgetting to compare it to the human's ability to actually hear or see that difference when it comes to listening or viewing the reproduction of the captured digital files. Today's technologies are way above frequency levels that our ears are able to hear, and in the case of photography, levels of resolution that we are able to reproduce as a visual picture.
OM-1 all the way! When Jordan talks about video, my eyes just glass over. I'm just not into video that much. When I do record video on my OM-1, it's great -- so I don't get what all the fuss is about -- and I'm failing to appreciate Jordan's 'favorite' log mode. Are my wedding clients going to trash me because I don't the on-paper 'best' log-video mode? I doubt it.
I challenge you to do an HHHR comparison between the two cameras. I need to really hold my breath, hold the camera steady, etc., to get good 50MP results from the OM-1 -- so I would expect it to be even more difficult to get 100MP from the GH9-ii, handheld. Prove me wrong.
I am so glad I got the G9ii
Wow you made a video with a Pentax in it!
you know even if panasonic has here and there some advantages I must be in love with the thing I am buying and the lines of OM-1 are driving me crazy
Just the comparison I was researching last night. Nice timing! I'll be interested to see if any of these 'wins' change once the G9ii gets a firmware update or two.
OM wins in handling, lcd screen, battery life and image quality. The weaker battery life is something I experience with all my Panasonic camera's. If they find a way to make it more energy efficient by firmware I hope they also update their other camera's. I can't remember that there were any camera updates that improved the DR and noise performance in the general stills mode. For the best noise and DR performance I recommend you to work in raw use software like DXO, Lightroom, Topaz and such.
@@eelco6587 at 9:11 does that seem like an OM1 "win" in IQ? it seemed quite the opposite to me. And we didn't really see a low light comparison
@haploguy According to Chris😉he gave the win to the OM-1 in this regard because of better iso and dynamic range. In details the G9II gives better results. Depending on what is important for you the G9II or the OM-1 is the better choice. When DXO supports the G9II it could be an interesting comparison. As higher resolution gives also more room for noise reduction.
No mention on the OM-1’s in body focus stacking.
Until now it's the g9 ii and I love mine ❤😊
Coming from Canon, Olympus lens zoom and focus rings rotate the same. Nikon and Sony user muscle memory match the LUMIX lenses.
Now, I'm gonna yell at you... 😅 No, you got a good comparison result. I give you that. I accept the enemy win because of better video capabilities. I give them (Lumix) the win too, but I still keep my OM-1 and OM-5. For my use, as photographer mostly, and video for SOME lot less. We have the Sony 7R3 but I still use my OM-1 mostly, and sometimes the OM-5. Not the Sony, or our Nikons. Why, because I love the handling of Olympus and the lenses.
If OM System don't come up with better video within two years, I probably switch to Panasonic though. But for now, I stay as I'm happy enough, and need the IP53.
I hope for a more video capable OM-2.
Good job, you guys
I am an OM1 shooter but am glad Panasonic has put out a good camera as good for the system. Each has it's strengths but they look very equal.
Just a comment on buffer. On the OM1 being blackout free and no real indication you have hit the buffer. It keeps shooting while writing to the card. If you use a fast card it is still high fps.
What I don't get is why the G9II is almost priced similarly to the S5II. Because the OM-1 is the same price? The G9II could be a very competitively priced camera if it was even a bit lower.
I think this was a foregone conclusion, for both of you. Hybrid? Panny. Stills with occasional video? OM-1. Personally, I found the original OM-D E-M1 so hard to hold, that I went with a GH4 and never looked back. But it is great to have a system that can share all the lenses back and forth between body brands. My next body will be a G9 II (or a GH7 if that's released soon. The GH6 just wasn't what any of us wanted. It had everything but PDAF. But I could see myself using an OM-1 or OM-2 someday. (I still find it weird that OM Systems uses the OM-1 name, since I had a friend in college who owned OM-1 and OM-2 film cameras.)
Thanks, chaps! This is the unbiased comparison I’ve been waiting for (not looking at anyone in particular..!), with IQ actually being into account. Both great bodies, but when it comes down to it, for my needs it seems like the OM-1 is still the right choice for me. Appreciate your hard work!