This Was Like a Never Ending Puzzle! | SIP Jig Borer Upgrade | Part 1
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- What we thought would be a quick upgrade job turned out WAY bigger than we planned! Kurtis enjoys using our SIP Hydroptic no 6 jig borer and we have such a large range of tooling now, we wanted to do some upgrades to make using it even better...first up was replacing the broken & missing handwheel off the side of the bridge. This quickly became like a puzzle trying to work out how to remove the broken handwheel hub resulted in the entire leadscrew needing to be removed from the machine. Only to realise we still couldn't get the handwheel hub off the leadscrew shaft! This resulted in the leadscrew ending up in the lathe to machine apart the retaining fixture so the hub assembly could be removed off the shaft...and the puzzle is still not solved!
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My thought was that something was interference/press fitted into the end.
It is ramped in both directions, has it a full length internal screw with keyed ends?.
Why don´t you ask BigStackCasting for a aluminum bronze cast of the wheel?
@0:24 "Aye-deen" months....that a metric measurement of time ??
"Hmmmm This is a bit trickier than I thought"
Words that strike terror into the hearts of every Hobbyiest and DIY Enthusiast.
It's just undo that and we're good 😂
AMEN 😂
It’ll only take a few minutes :)
Reassembly is the reverse of disassembly.
I’d be scared sh!tless even beginning this job!
Designing something like this in a pre-CAD era must have been really something.
Rooms full of men wearing ties & smoking pipes standing at draughting boards with slide rules
All drawn by pencil the original draft then they were put through a copier that contained paper 48"s X 36" (4ft X 3ft) this copy is printed blue also known as "The Blueprint" , their is a specific technique to fold these large paper designs, some maps you'll find at tourism premises still use the same fold techniques.
It is literally a master craft skill being a draftsman even though today's tech utilises CAD systems the old ways are still taught in schools if doing drafting so each student gets a good comprehensive hands on knowledge of methods employed.
I went through this old drafting process myself being an engineer 👍
the winters in Switzerland are long and cold.. So they have to find something to amuse themselves..😆
Paper and pen are actually pretty easy to figure out and work with. You just need the proper training. They built the Moon landers and everything that brought them there with pen and paper, by comparison, this machine is simple, crude, but effective.
pen, paper and slide rule!@@Th4thWiseman
99% of Kurtis's work isn't sketchy. but that clutch work was the sketchiest thing on this channel. love it
This has got to be the best machining channel on TH-cam. Kurtis’ out of the box thinking and solutions, and Karen’s superb videography.
Wow, thank you!
Let’s not forget the ‘magic’ comment in the out-takes - nice work!
fucking yes
I love watching Kurtis working out how something works
Yeah I love watching his process. Watching any master of their field at work is a thing of beauty and many of them share many similarities in their process despite being in entirely unrelated fields.
It's a delight, and an insight into the process of how to do what Kurtis does.
Bet he hasn’t worked out how Karen works yet….lol
@@gordonagent7037 what guy has worked out how a woman works? 😅
@@gordonagent7037 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And now you know why the hand wheel was never replaced
exactly 😅
hehe hehe 😂
St Peter, at The Gates: 'Ah, so you're the guy who bashed that handwheel. Well...'
The 12 year old in me who tore apart literally everything I could get my hands on thoroughly enjoyed this. Thanks you two!
So recognizable! This wonderful video also made my 12 year old boy's heart beat faster.
Love you channel. Nice to see you here.
I once took apart my father's Smith & Wesson Revolver. It took hours on the bathroom floor to get it assembled again after he went to sleep. It was either this or the hiding of my life. My gunsmithing attempts ended that night. Amazing how raw fear can inspire you get a job done. He never found out. The S&W is still working fine more than 40 years later.
Been there, done that, need the T-shirt.
This type of disassembly and investigation is exactly why i became an engineer. The problem solving is so much fun
I should have been an engineer! Instead, I hated school although I did well and stuck in the construction, fabrication, and repair trades. Doing similar work such as fixing old tools or building what I could buy is what my brain seems to live for. If there is a problem, my brain want's to fix it, but my hands have to be part of it. Too bad I didn't know more about engineering when I was growing up. One of my air compressors is a1947 westinghouse which I rebuilt with a sleeve I had my brother machine on his nicer equipment and the other is a later but bigger model that is a real 5hp unit with pressurized lube from an oil pump. My tig welder is a 1965 miller 330 abp. My grandfather was a tool and die maker for the aerospace industry around LA but he passed before I was born.
It's also a bit of anything from nerve-wracking up to terrifying depending on the machinery and how much you've got invested into it. :D
@@CGT80 Nope, stay in the trades you'll make a lot more money than being a Mech.
This has to be one of the most captivating videos you have produced in a long time. The train of thought that Kurtis put into the removal of the shaft and the hand wheel collar was amazing.
And to you Karen,your video work and editing get better by the day. Can't wait for the follow up for this repair.
I worked at British aerospace in the 80's. In the wind tunnel tool room there was a 1920's SIP jig borer still in use. Sometime in the 70's it had been fitted wit modern electronics ,it was so accurate even after 50 years use that it was used as an inspection machine!
Me too. The machines were a 6A and 7A, Google "terry rawkins wind tunnel" for more info
Now to write something you all expected to see here...
They don't make 'em like they used to.
We had a good few aerospace space who came joy mining in Wigan
Finally! A project that goes the way all of my projects go. Except that I learn nothing, get frustrated, leave the parts lying around until my wife complains about them, say "screw it" and throw everything away. The End. Thanks for watching!
Karen, kudos to you for great editing. It's like a mystery series and you left us on a cliff-hanger ending. Much anticipation for the next episode.
Hopefully, somebody in the world wide audience will come up with a manual or a shop drawing that provides the details to the end of that shaft. Nice work Kurtis and getting it this far.
As a toolmaker,I can see the beauty in the workmanship that went into building that machine
SIP in geneva was really something at that time
Obviously the bean-counters were not involved with it.
Can you imagine the cost today to have that machine built. No wonder they last so long.
Monarch is charging $200,000 for a “new” 10EE which is an old casting they buy at auction and then replace with all new parts for everything else, with a repaint. So going from that, a completely new one of these would likely be well over $1 million (with new technology electrics). That’s $1 million US.
This is the kind of job that haunts mechanics worldwide. It will keep you up at night with the thought of how do you get that dam thing apart ? How the heck did they put that together ? . You spend countless hours just staring a problem with a million things running through your head. The old saying " it's just better to just walkaway and look at it later " is the answer to the problem most of the time. Good luck Kurtis !
Even the fact that Kurtis was able to Un - engineer something that was not standard.. was amazing…
BUT COME ON PEOPLE….. LETS HAVE A ROUND OF APPLAUSE…. For the way he held back and then released the sprung end of the clutch!!! 🎉
YES THAT WAS INGENIUS !
Well if you have ever dealt with spring loaded assemblies and have it all go wrong you would understand. Try finding a 2mm diameter by 4mm length metal dowel on a shop floor that flew out of the assembly. Aaargh!
Right on!
Yeah and it has a fancy shaped end and a non-standard diameter and you would need the machine you are fixing to try to re-make one.@@gazz501
@@gazz501Yes that is very true, most of us have been there. If you are really lucky and quick you might see that small part wiz by out of the corner of your eye and have an idea where to start looking, or hear it hit something and go looking that way. Otherwise….you’re buggered.
Even the outer covers on that machine are a work of precision. Beautifully made...
This Swiss machine is a timeless reference for technical ingenuity and perfection. It should become the status of a "World Industrial Heritage". And that guy here that dares to repair and even tweak this monument of complexity should be awarded the "Platinum Wrench with Diamonds" by the Queensland State Government...
This is great content. Being older and retired, watching this episode is especially engaging. I feel like I’m included in the process. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for having us along for the journey.
The camera work was excellent, “documentary level” - keeping everything in the depth of field, whilst girding the loins deserves applause…
I agree. Karen would make an awesome journalist or presenter.
She always gets the best from Kurtis--I LOVE the outtakes!
They have a good thing going. Vids are pro from both, then the outtakes make it reality, fkn funny to watch 😆
Minty as 👌
I started watching with a full cold beer. I finished watching with a full warm beer. Thanks guys. You're the one thing that keeps my attention. I was at the edge of my damn seat for this one! =P
If that doesn't convey the atmosphere to the video.... idk what could😅
If that's not an endorsement for the quality of the video, i don't know what would be
That moment at 20:55 you realize you're in deep, pure comedy gold. Had a good chuckle! Also, Kurtis, you're a mad lad fixing such a unique machine with missing part of the puzzle, it's genuinely impressive!
Just that look of "well fuck, in for a penny in for pound"
"heh.." 😏 I'm so glad someone threw in this timestamp! legendary stuff, laughed my butt off. "there are two types of people...."
I have to say, this was one of the most intense videos you guys have uploaded... The mystery continues.. dying to see how you will get that screw out!!! love your videos..
I was a toolmaker for many years and spent a lot of time on a gene 6a. A wonderful machine, so accurate and well made. I don’t think I would have had the balls to do what you’ve done…..a real engineer!
You illustrated to the maximum your analytical thinking in trying a different approach when the current one may not succeed. Additionally your determination to resolve the issue is absolute. You did not fail in anyway. The wisdom to know when to stop and reevaluate is what was clearly shown. My respect for you both grows every time you post a new video.
Hey mate thanks for the supportive comment!
This project is really a “Rube Goldberg” at its best. It is unfortunate that he is no longer with us as he could solve the problem in an instant.
I wouldn't even THINK of taking that thing apart and Kurtis just tears into it. Love it!
You are a fearless warrior when it comes to tearing into complicated machines that absolutely have to go back together CORRECTLY resulting in perfect operation.
An entire video where nothing gets made or repaired... and I am ALL IN for more! Truly awesome to see Kurtis' approach and reasoning in action... and also that even he had to RTFM 😛
This episode Kurtis looks a bit more human, making jokes and facial expressions 😂
I liked that
that's absolutely true ...!!!!!
I realized it already in the last video when I paid a bit more attention on such details, but even more in this one: By using so many different shot angles and distances, speed ups and other editing tricks, Karen has the talent to capture each single step in a way that even watching Kurtis undoing 4 screws is not getting boring.
It's the dead of night here in the Netherlands, but I HAVE to watch. What an amazing machine, so well built! And thanks to Karen's excellent video qualities, I am drawn into Kurtis' search for the exact structure of this beautiful beast. Strapping that clutch to the chuck, wow! I am completely involved in the journey of discovery and thoroughly enjoy this exciting episode, which in my opinion could have lasted an hour or more, without a second of boredom.
Their ability to make something so precise years ago amazes me, the draughtsmen who drew it, the machinist who made it and the guy who thought of it. Mind blowing.
Yep, always been fascinated how they did it back then. Not a bit of CAD in sight, just amazing craftsmen
There is a great you tube video on the precision engineering of the original Apollo 7 rocket engines, every single piece of those motors was machined by hand and drawn by hand. There is a reason there is no way to copy those exactly even today, because of how all the pieces were machined by hand by a machinist, who also would solve any problems that came after the parts were actually drafted and built. Furthermore apparently none of the original machinists who built the engine are left alive so there isn't anyone to talk them through how they did what they did.
@@TechnoGeek18023having trouble finding this can you give any more info? Sounds awesome
Sob qualquer aspecto, os caras construíram equipamentos incríveis.
And not to forget the finance guy who understood the necessities and didn't ask for shortcuts. Nothing like that would be possible to manufacture today.
In 40 years as a fitter I Never thought I would see a ratchet strap as lathe tooling. You got a laugh out of me. I would have used wire myself, less inertia. Good luck with the swiss mechano set. You have to love 50s engineering, all sliderules and talent with not a computer involved anywhere. That end piece has to be threaded in. Look for a pin through it maybe, although it should have shown up with the heat. G'day from Tassy.
As soon as the lead screw had to be removed, I remembered all the fun I had doing Russian and W. German lathes in Alberta. So nice that ball screws weren't a common thing back then.
Don’t leave it too long for part 2, we are all waiting 😊
Patience, calmness, and dedication: it's a pleasure to watch you.
I would have lost patience about 5 minutes into the job 😂
@@ianross6971 There are good and competent people who lose their temper, then they do everything perfectly, but while they do it they are blinded by anger🤣🤣
@@SiboBushings seen that.
That wicked little defiant chagrin at the suggestion of putting it back together and ignoring that it's broken.... We could all see Kurtis' brain saying, "yeah like hell we'll be doing that, we've come this far, ya better 🤬 believe we are gonna fix this thing".... 😂
I love watching older pieces of equipment being pulled apart just to admire the craftsmanship that went into them. I drove my mom nuts when I was young as I'd pull apart anything and everything just to see how they work. I honestly am not sure how the hell I made it to adulthood with all the old TV's I pulled apart without being aware of the electrocution risks.
Suisse Engineering where true passion for excellence and unrivalled quality started on the drawing board right through to delivery. Well done you Kurtis for doing it properly and staying true to original, (you're a man after my own heart!) Machines of that caliber, we are just the caretakers for the next generation....
My grandfather was Swiss and he did not relinquish his secrets easily, either! 🙂 What an incredible machine that is. I laughed out loud when Kurtis said "or we can just put it back together and use it like it was." Ha! That would be the day. We certainly enjoyed watching this puzzle and can't wait for Part 2. Have a lovely weekend, you three!
As my uncle used to say "when in doubt, take all the screws out". :))
Yeah, figuring out old machines to repair them can be tricky.
Doctor, detective, surgeon, & machinist all in one. Looking forward to part 2. Nice work Kurtis!
it's great to have karen filming so documenting where each screw and part came from and how it came off . very helpful if/ when it goes into multiple days and you can't remember exactly how something goes back.
Love the “thinking faces” Kurtis pulls when he finds an issue! 😂
Forensic machinery maintenance, outstanding work Kurtis. Great camera work as always Karen.
Thanks for letting us tag along. I've always been fascinated by machinery and have grown to appreciate the skill that went into designing and building them. I look forward to the next chapter. Hope all is well with you and those you care about.
Kurtis is right. This is definitely magic!:))) I love behind-the-scenes footage.
Things are NEVER as easy as we think they are! Look forward to seeing it completed.
Good work guys.
Hey mate! Thank you so much again for your superthanks comment! It's always encouraging to hear from our supporters, and especially those who understand the challenges that come with any project. You're right, things aren't always as easy as we think they are. But that's part of what makes them so rewarding when we finally achieve our goals. 😎👊
The quality of the parts is astonishing, you can see why they were so expensive. An intricate casting where we’d get some flimsy sheet steel now.
To quote Churchill "A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma" good luck , Dave
After two "WOW'S" from your wife, you still forged ahead. Your innate understanding of what should be as apposed to was you see if front of you is outstanding. As always, we all appreciate the journey you are taking us on, great video.
Two "Wow"s *and an "uh oh", plus his own "uuuhhhh" a couple times. :D
I don't think I've ever been more emotionally invested as when he was machining off the end.
Wow, what a mine field, even George looked confused 😂. Great job once again
I dont know what I'm more impressed with..... Kurtis and his skills with machinary..... or the fact that he's clean shaved ❤🏴🏴
Is there a part 2 yet?
Just what I was wondering.
Seems that I wake up at 3am 🕒 for a reason. To see my favorite video each week. I enjoy watching what’s real compared to things being staged. Great Content 😁👍
Gosh, taking the SIP machine apart would scare me so much. I admire you for your courage to take on this job 🤩
Very much looking forward to the next one!!
Kurtis is out of the box, thinking and planning on another level. This is why I watch this channel and know he'll work it out.
Some of the machinery revealed in this disassembly was simply awesome. It felt like a mix between old recovered alien technology and how I imagine looking at the inner workings of a gods machinery. None of it looked like it was made by humans 50 years ago. Bravo mankind you really were something!
There’s a slight chance you might have nullified the warranty on that machine, Kurt! I’m amazed at the tolerances on that machine. It was really cool to see a deep dive into something like this. Great job, young man!
The butcher who did the repair, before Kurtis got the machine, nullified any warranty!
My dad was a machinists for about 28yrs. The 50's - 70's. His machine was a Jig Bore. I believe it was a 40"... He told he was on it because no one else could figure it out. I have several pics of him while using it. Supposedly from the local newspaper...
Been watching videos from years back and learning more than I would have thought. I’m keeping up at times, blown away at others. Special man, woman, dog. Thanks
I used to love to take things apart to see how it works. Problem was, putting it back together.
CEE Rules.
Love the show.
You 2 are killing it.
Even the fasteners look to be precision made. You could tell the care Kurtis was taking unscrewing them so that the slots did not get chewed up 👍
I predict that the "shop made" handwheel will be pure quality.
All the best,
Paul
I tried at least a half dozen times to watch your last video. I would get three minutes into it and then the tools would make me drool uncontrollably and then I would pass out.. all I ask is that you have proper insurance. So much love, so many shiny tools, digging a hole in the floor. Oh my God I can’t wait. Give Homie my love and Karen and you Kay that rhymes with Harold.❤😊
I just want you to know I’m getting help for the passing out... It’s just not wor…
It's great to see you think through the problem and understand the construction of the machine, we learn more from that too.
There's nothing easy inside an old SIP. Crazy Swiss engineering at its best....I'll say a few prayers for your success
It's like watchmaking on the macro scale. Watching someone like Mark Lovick tear into something like a recalcitrant Venus 178, then Kurtis working on that room size jig borer... same sort of off the charts craftsmanship, just move the decimal over four or five places. :D
This is one of my favourite CEE videos ever! The journey of learning along with Kurtis was awesome and I absolutely love these old machines. So much more interesting than a big CNC box. I was holding my breath at the end when he had the massive Stilsons on it! Can’t wait for part 2 😊
I still do not know who is more passionate about the workshop, Karen or Kurtis. What I do know is that you are a great team, thanks for sharing your day with us. Have a great weekend. WOOF! to Homie.
Kurtis compressing the clutch in a very sketchy way and Karen says what we all said "uhh ooh". That goes through my head every time I do something like that LOL
I have removed something like this before. And in my application, that thicker made washer you mentioned should be pushed on to load the springs and expose the clip. Then once the load on the washer is removed, the clip captures it all and keeps it comming off the end. And because there is always load on the washer, it compressed the c clip in its groove and wedges itself in there and can't come off.
Snowmobile clutches are made that way too. You have to compress the ramps to expose the snap ring. Not really a traditional snap ring. No where to put pliers on it. It's just a ring. Then once removed, everything comes apart.
The end is threaded to install a bolt that then has a cup on it to compress the washer, allowing access to the snapring. Then once the snapring is pulled over the groove, the press tool is removed to unload the clutch.
Gday Kurtis and Karen, what a stressful job this one is, the build quality of the Sip is mind blowing, everything is made to extremely high precision and for when this machine was built is was way before it’s time, keen for the next instalment mate, have a great weekend, cheers
Hey Matty 👋Tell me about it! This job is definitely giving me a few grey hairs 😅but it was eye opening to see the inner workings, the build quality of the Sip is truly mind-blowing. Everything is made to such high precision, and it's clear that this machine was way ahead of its time when it was built. I'm confident Kurtis will work it out, or he'll end up in the dog house 😂 Take care Matty, chat soon, hi to Bec!
Definitely looking forward to part 2 and maybe 3!
Kudos for Kurtis for the laughs provided in tracking down the mystery of how to get it done. And also to Karen for neat vaiations in sequencing the different unscrewing situations.
In spite of "the never ending puzzle" part of it and the previous modifications,...its an absolute pleasure to work on a machine with such high standards and tolerances! Love watching these videos,....especially repairs on these machines! Thanks!
The socket and washer trick was genius!
I don't think I have ever seen Kurtis that puzzled... he'll figure the rest out, no worries.
Kurtis, I’m not worried, because a man with your mechanical ability and skills will get this figured out! Thanks for sharing this project with us! I really like seeing you work and figure things out!
My husband and I enjoy your videos. My husband is a retired boilermaker of over 49 years working on government owned and run road ferries throughout the state. His work involved constant kneeling as he only had between 800 and 900mm head clearance in the hole of the ferry and had to constantly kneel on ribs and rivets. He watches you kneel while welding and wishes you could bring it up to a suitable height so you do not have to kneel as in later years you will pay for it. H also believes you should have at least a gofer to help cleaning and prep work to take the load off yourself. I really enjoy your machining, your ability to make workshop tools, repairing of hydraulic rams, bucket and blade repairs and very jealous of your machine shop as I only had 2 x 20ft containers to work out of. Keep the videos coming they are great Karen.
Kurtis doing upgrades to machines and tools is my favorite videos. 👍🏻👍🏻
Glad you like them!
My first job out of high school was as a toolmakers assistant in Adelaide, South Australia in the late 90's. The toolmakers workshop had a similar machine possibly a 6 as it looked slightly smaller. We also had Hercus lathes. Place went out of business in 2005 but I still chat with some of my old work collegues. I still love the old machines and the attention to detail you bring to your work.
I have worked with Aussie engineers like yourself at RAAF Butterworth 1968. You guys have my upmost respect for your knowlege and work ethic. Glad to see the language has not changed.
This reminds me of the first time I had to tear down an old teletype machine to the last screw, when I was in the Army. Like an exotic clockwork designed by some engineer who never imagined anyone would ever have to deal with his genius ideas, but himself. Even with a parts manual it was an adventure. These Swiss designers went to the same type of school for unique designs.
man, all those flathead fasteners would drive me crazy 😂
Bloody hell, this is gripping stuff!
You certainly know how to keep us in suspense!
I'll be waiting in extreme suspense for the conclusion.
I Skipped over this Video a half dozen times the finally decided to Watch it... glad I did. I was Fully Engrossed throughout!
The quality of the machine is so good, not a plastic cover anywhere all machined from castings. The process of working out how something was built 🤯 satisfying when you get there though. Great video.
The attention to detail & quality of engineering on these old machines is amazing! No wonder they last for ages! Also very interesting to see how those pieces interact. Can't wait for the follow up 👍
"using a bit of inertia and momentum" what a professional way of saying giving it some welly
Kurtis you have the manual the answer is there. Many times it takes reading the simple one paragraph explanation over and over and over again. You have the patience to figure it out. A little or a lot of profanity always helped me.
What a machine. There no way a machine would get built to that level this day and age. Great video guys
The engineering in these machines is always so different to any other type of machine. That’s what I’ve found anyway.
This is basically what I do for a living 😊. Getting them apart is often more difficult than putting them back together thankfully 😅.
At least your machine is nice and clean 👍😁👍.
Cheers!
Ahhhh, the old Chinese puzzle box boring machine. Quite rare I am led to believe. A lucky find to get one in the wild
I wish we had a million more men like Curtis. Great video keep'em coming .
All these machine improvement videos are quickly becoming my favorite. I still love me some fancy machining, but these videos give an even greater appreciation for complex machines, where as the part building you usually do you don't see the entire machine working again (although I love the explanations at the start of which part of the machine it is etc).
Lovely bit of lateral thinking there Kurtis and I love the way you held the clutch basket back to keep it in tension!!
Love the way Kurtis working out how things operate love all the explanations of how it works great camera work as well , well done Cutting Edge Engineering 👌👌👌👌