The HOLY GRAIL of Precision Machining | SIP Hydroptic 6 Jig Borer
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- We are finally revealing our 1950s SIP Hydroptic-6 Jig Borer! The SIP Jig borers have a signature optical measuring system and hold tolerances up to 1 micron (0.001mm), so it's no wonder the Switzerland made machines are often considered the holy grail of precision machining. In today's era this vintage 1950s jig borer can even out perform machines of the modern world. In the video we share what a jig borer is, how it works and all the special tooling & accessories we received with it. We hope you enjoy this walk-around and tour of our amazing SIP Hydroptic-6 Jig Borer.
Thank you Tony from www.lathes.co.uk for permission to use images in our video!
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From memory there was a rather large auction of equipment in October of 1991 at the Cockatoo Island shipyards in Sydney. Work on ship's steam turbines was one of the tasks undertaken at the yards, so it is possible it came from there.
17:33 that looks like a end stop switch.
Hmmmm has someone finely sent in undies for old homie big nutz
The grey part you mention, not knowing what is...That is a capacitor of 1 microfarad (uF).
My father worked in Switzerland with this machine in the 60s. As someone wrote already, my dad said that it was in a room that was temperature, humidity-controlled and had an operating room level air scrubber.
He proudly explained to me how he worked with. Now, 22 years after he passed away, I see this amazing machine. It is touching to me.
He would be very interested in your channel.
Thank you very much, Mr Korenko.
Great story, thanks for sharing!
That's a lovely story. I hope Kurtis sees your comment.
Hey mate, it's always really amazing when a viewer can relate or have memories from the videos we share, thanks for watching and commenting
It makes me watery eyed seeing how well that machine is made, how well its documented, the diagrams, the spares and even how nicely the accessories are all boxed up. Its from an age where engineering seemed to ooze a level of pride that seems to have diminished. Its a large boxy, grey and heavy piece of kit, but its a thing of beauty to my eyes and built to last too!
absolutely agree with your sentiments!
Same here!
I wanted to write a similar comment! The care people took when sending the machines out! The shear amount of additional tooling and spare parts that seemed to be standard and the absolutely adorable boxes! Proper hinges, closing mechanisms and the small engraved plate on every single one! It seems like the carpenter who made it really poured his heart into it. And it also shows that it wasn't for nothing, am I right? One of the boxes is in a bit of a rough shape? No problem, hinges and everything else can be nicely replaced and that box and so hopefully the tool inside might last forever. Unlike the plastic rubbish they sell for modern tools...
@@robotkabot7541 God damn right.
This thing is dripping with pride.
Those people from that era are legendary. They didn't stop at something that worked, they perfected all the details on these old machines. I've owned some older "war" era machines, and it was the same from Cincinnati and Monarch.
I work for Toyota, in one of the US manufacturing plants, and the company that makes the machines we use send schematics and wiring guides and plc program documents with every machine. Wish the machines were as special as this, but even our simplest machines come with 100 pages of documentation, and the complicated ones have entire shelves. I've never seen that level of support before I worked here, and as a mechanic, it is appreciated. My shop services 3 cells in the plant and we have our own library building. Wish more things came with that level of care, it's not common anymore.
I did my toolmaker apprenticeship at Holden in Adelaide (Woodville plant). We had 2 of these machines in a temperature controlled room and I was fortunate enough to be trained on them and work in there on many occasions. These machines are bang on accurate and have no vibration or chatter when machining. Exactly like a Rolls Royce would be if it was a jig borer.
That's probably one of them.
I had the privilege to visit Holden's Melbourne plant as it was closing down, and they had a single SIP Hydroptic-6A there too. From the machine plate, this was a type ARM-67E, serial No 211. A 1964 calendar sticker was stuck on the side of the machine. Had fun taking some beautiful photos of that machine and the supporting vintage control electronics too.
@@SamPinchesMakerShop I hope Kurtis has seen your comment. I expect he’ll be in touch for the photos if it’s his one.🇬🇧
@@SamPinchesMakerShop 😭
except the RR would break down every 5th job ;)
I work on this exact model every single day and it's rapidly become my favorite machine. I'm glad someone has put out a video on it! Mine has the mechanical rotary table that adds additional two axis movement. We manufacture very very close tolerance space and defense parts with it.
Same for me but without rotary table 😊
This jig borer is one of the wonders of engineering, and your description and explanation was simply a joy to watch and hear. You have a great gift for technical story telling. And the close up cinematography was a joy as well! Thank you both for this episode!!
Thanks very much for this feedback mate, it was not easy to get all those specs and info on video 😅 so very glad it was enjoyed. Cheers 😎👍
All that and I love the bloopers, somehow reminds me of myself
The history, and the intelligence, and the duty of care that is contained in the development and manufacture of every single part, capacity and feature of machines like these make you proud to be a human. Mostly because they are a monument to applied common sense. And, they can be improved, but first we have to catch up to the people who made these machines.
Mrs Cutting Edge is becoming a video editing genius!!!
Yea, mad props to the giggler.
I started my Apprenticeship in '79 as a Fitter and Turner and after completing my trade with the added modules I was a Toolmaker at the Ordnance Factory Maribyrnong in Victoria. In our toolroom we had a Hydroptic 4, 6 and 8 which was beside each other in a controlled atmosphere. The 8 had 2 spindles, a vertical and horizontal which were aligned within 0.0002" so machining holes that were 90 degrees to each other and were aligned was easy. During the 90's we were making gearbox housings for the American Army for the M1 Abrams tank when the Gulf War was in full swing on the Hydroptic 6. At that point in time I was the Toolmaker Checker and so all the housings went through me before being sent to the USA. Unfortunately that meant working 80 hours a week, starting at 5:30 in the morning 7 days a week for 18 months doing 10 and 12 hour days. We worked all holidays except Christmas day and was the first time I earned more than $32,000 as I think the base wage for a toolmaker was around the $22,000ish mark. If the machine is the same as ours they have a glass scale which is where you get the black line that you align the 2 fingers when looking through the optics. The optical centre that goes in the spindle can also be used to pick up an edge. As the machines aged the best thing we did was put a DRO on the 4 and 6 as we were in the phase of going from Imperial to Metric so at the flick or a switch it went from Imperial to Metric and was just as accurate as the optics. The best thing about going to the DRO was you could make your fine adjustments in either direction unlike the optical which has to be done in one direction to maintain accuracy and if you go past you have to back off and start again. They are a great machine but they do suffer from problems you don't have with a normal mill in being able to see what is happening with your cutter as you cant get over the cutter and look down but you get used to it and have to have faith in what your doing. As with all machines they are only as good as the operator but they are great at what they were made for and not everyone I worked with was able to use the Hydroptic's due to the system used to hold a cutting head in the spindle and working out how to works the optics.
"vertical and horizontal which were aligned within 0.0002"". Holy Cow.
I love reading stories like that just casually being under some of the YT videos!
I too started my apprenticeship at the Ordnance Factory Maribyrnong in 1980 as a fitter machinist. I remember going into the controlled atmosphere room too.
@Arctic Miner Have another drink.
Highly likely you started your apprenticeship the same week as me(here in the uk).
Good luck with the last five years.
Hi Curtis, Just found your excellent presentation and I have experience to add to your project. I was a maintenance engineer at the Small Arms Factory where we had two SIP Jig Borers, an old one and one like yours. In 1965 the SAF bought a 7A CN with NC rotary table making it a 4 axis NC machine. I was sent to Geneva for 9 weeks to study all the systems concentrating on the electronics and how to fix it if it fails.
At that time GM Fishermans Bend bought a 6A CN and a few years later the Ammunition Factory Footscray bought a 6A CN.
I had great experiences associated with this machine and later learned that when the SAF was disbanded, the 7A was auctioned off and went to the USA. What a shame. At this time the 7A with rotary table cost around 250,000 pounds.
I recall that the positioning accuracy was +- .0001inch even with up to 1 ton on the table and it would do this on auto (NC),
The table moves on very accurate rollers so accurate that SIP had to build their own factory to make them. The factory had isolated foundations to isolate the grinding of the rollers form all sources of vibration.
The agent in Sydney was Mechanical Precision Equipment, the owner Cliff Done, the father of Ken Done the artist.
Cheers.
As a skilled tradesman I'm amazed at how much you know about so many different machines and mechanisms. Your understanding of systems and way of explaining them is the best I've come across
job shoppers are a treasure to us all
nice machine ! Btw. 5:05 is not to set the table, it's to zero the scale to the next full (5-ish) digit. A lot of european machines from that time have the same feature. So its easyer for the operator to calculate long travel distances. You get to do a lot of calculating in your head when working with analog measuring systems. When zeroing, I use the tecnique of zeroing the 1mm scale, zeroing the 0.01mm scale on the handweel and then calculating the travel on the sacle, adding the needed rotations on the fine adjusting weel scale. You can then easely and fast travel your distance routhly by the 1mm scale, for eg. 250.5 mm travel, from 425mm to 675mm, then dialing in the 0.5mm with the fine scale on the handweel. And because all your indicators/scales are on the same zero, it works like a calculator. I also used to mark my "waypoints" with a permanent marker on the 1mm scale, so its easyer to navigate. When you are on 645mm on the 1mm scale, and 0 on the handweel scale, you are exactly at 645.00mm - I hope that makes sense, greetings from switzerland.
You should get in contact with them. I'm sure they would appreciate the info and help!
Your explanation makes sense.. but it's still mind boggling how it works. I wish I could be taught to run one of these incredible machines by one of the master machinist who runs them daily.
Or just getting to talk to someone who engineered/manufactured these machines would be awesome
These machines are incredible feats of engineering and precision machining
When I was an apprentice machinist in late 60’s General Electric aircraft in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA had one installed. Besides the HVAC control in the room, it had to be put on an isolated floor to keep the vibration of the other machines from affecting it.
What I remember most is the Swiss engineer who came over to calibrate it. Wore a suit with white shirt and when he was finished it was still white!
Thank you Kurtis for sharing this with us!
That rocks! Respect.
Yeah I think your right about these sorts of things.
There's a few other vids by Americans with Moore Jig Borers. There's 2 main things about jig borers.
1) How accurate they can move in the X-Y-Z with respect to squareness.
2) How accurate with respect to being parallel to the Z axis they can bore.
So not only can you bore a number of holes in a part with great location accuracy but all those holes will be parallel to each other. My bet is this was brought to Australia for the RAAF for making parts for jet engines, where they need high boring accuracy.
The few others I have seen with these don't have them out on the general shop floor. Like many high accuracy machines they are located (as you hinted) in purpose built rooms and or floors to keep them free of other influences one of which is temperature change.
He's got this in an open workshop in Queensland, which means big temperature swings. But then maybe he doesn't need the really high levels of accuracy it capable of.
#OnlyTheSwiss 😃
@@tonywilson4713 For his work, all it has to do is match the accuracy of his custom yellow calipers.
Sounds like me...... I always wear white shirts ...even when working on heat treatment plant which used carbon pellets to carbonise steel which afterwards were oil quenched. Hundreds of Tons of steel per...imagine the place as a black hell. Almost never a stain on my shirt.....wearing a white shirt forced you to work accurate and precise.
Still do .....
Thnks for the story !!!
Jig borers are truly amazing machines. The 1st company I worked at had a Brown and Sharpe version I seem to recall. That was a long time ago in the late '70s. The WW2 vet who was my mentor as an apprentice was the only master craftsman allowed to use it out of over 100 machinists in a good sized complete fab shop.
Later, when I worked at United Airlines, we had about 10 Vlieg horizontal boring machines that we used primarily to service landing gears. They all had a compound turntable for true 5 axis adjustment. We all wore out expensive indicators on a yearly basis on these! They were all quite old and long used, but incredibly accurate machines. These were incredibly versatile machines that could be used on all sorts of odd shaped workpieces.
When management at United realized I had good CNC experience, they trained me on a custom built Cincinnati machining center. This machine was the most accurate machine I've ever worked on besides grinders. It was the most accurate mill in this huge shop. It was tested and checked for accuracy with a laser every month. There were only 3 guys in the 'jet shop' at United Airlines in SF CA out of 8000 people in the building who were trained for this machine.
We used it mostly to bore gearboxes for a generator motor used on various aircraft. This milling/boring machine had a programmable CNC touch probe (like a CMM) used to probe out numerous bores on several different planes in the gearbox. Then we could analyze the data and adjust the relationship of all the bores to bring them back into spec. This machine could inspect its own work! This feature, along with a 50 millionth's indicator and a big set of integrated boring heads and cartridges could produce incredibly accurate work.
We would 1st bore out and remove the old worn bushings, carefully rebore the housing just slightly larger. Then we would turn new bronze bushings on a latge, freeze them with liquid nitrogen, bond and install them in the housing. Then again rebore them to finished dimensions. It was a fascinating but slow process. It would take about 2 1/2 shifts to complete one gear box. We
had either 2 or 3 machinists working 3 shifts on this machine.
Before I worked at United, I worked at several shops machining high reliability devices, such as defense hardware, surgical devices and aerospace hardware. Engineering, testing, intensive QC, but most often quality assurance (QA) methods were a huge part and my work.
A truly amazing aspect about the job at United for me was the lack of actual inspectors. Everyone was well trained and checked out on their various tasks. Each maintenance procedure was engineered and any changes to procedures were highly monitored. Everyone was accountable and well aware of the human life and costs at stake. Nobody was ever rushed to get work finished. Everyone was accountable for their work, documented and held responsible. The A&P mechanics who installed the hardware into the aircraft made sure it was correctly completed at end of this long process.
United Airlines was a fascinating place to work. There were lots of excellent people there and many highly skilled machinists. Unfortunately the labor union/management relationship and workplace politics forced me to leave there after only a few short years. I despise labor unions! I'll never work for another. I left to earn far more money machining and developing heart surgery devices at a startup company. What was funny is that I went from machining huge aircraft components to tiny pieces less than sn 1/8" in diameter. Almost 1/2 my time was spent inspecting and deburring parts under a microscope! This seemed intimidating at first, but I quickly realized all the machining principles remained the same!
Did you know Ken Carr?
@@rickjohnson1632 I don't remember. It was over 25 years ago. At the time, there were more than 5000 people working in this huge building known as
'The jet shop'. More than half were machinists.
@@rollinrat4850 he was my ex significant others dad. He was a aircraft mechanic in ww2. He told me a week after he got out of the service his good friend and him both went to United and got hired. He was with them for 32 years I think , he worked in the SF location. He was a mechanic, im not sure what his title was when he got out. Ken Carr. Anyhow, Thanks for getting back to me
What a trip down memory lane! What a treasure! I worked on one just like that in the mid-60's with a major aerospace company here in the U.S. I apprenticed in tool & die and wound up working on the SIP. Truly amazing machines. When you get everything cleaned up and sorted out, you'll have a VERY valuable piece of equipment for your company but remember... they're built like a tank, but treat them gently. I was young then and now I'm old, but I clearly remember what a joy they were to work with. Treasure it and take care of it.
I recall one of these at Hawker-Siddeley (the Harrier maker) in Kingston, London in early 70's. It could be "programmed" with punch cards. It was a sackable offence to cross the yellow line near it on the shop floor if you were an apprentice.
😂 luddite apprentices
These SIP machines are indeed the top of the food chain. We had one in a room by itself that was temperature, humidity controlled and had an operating room level air scrubber. Only two operators in the shop were allowed to run it. They had a full service and certification annually. You got a helluva machine there
bloody awesome!
What were they making?
@@OOpSjm With a machine in an environment like that "I think that is the kind of question where they say we tell you but you know it is permanent nap time" LOL
@@yeagerxp Or if any answer is given at all, they had to kill you afterwards...
:-D
@@horstszibulski19 what I meant by permanent nap time" LOL
Congratulations! I used to work on a SIP 6 35yrs ago at our federal aviation company nowadays known as RUAG here in Switzerland. The machine was in a 20° conditioned glass box with ALL the tool options from the SIP catalogue. Until today this work experience remains as my personal TOP in terms of precision and smoothness. Just a dream for any passionate machinist. As you said correctly it's the Holy Grail in our machinist world imo.
Just found your channel, love it. This takes me back, I'm 80 and I have retired quite a few years ago but being a machinists was one of the happiest times being on the machines was better than being a supervisor. Thank you for this channel, I'd love to be in your workshop. I would think that if I had the money I'd have a little workshop in my back yard just to play with.
Hey mate welcome to the channel!
A very impressive machine you have bought there 👌 ,back in my days(1970's) the reason there were 2 identicle books was that one was with the operator (always dirty ) the other (very clean ) was in the office and never ever allowed onto the shop floor.When trying to repair the machines the operators book was often unreadable because of the dirty fingerprints left by the previous repair guy.You then had to beg the office manager to allow you to have acess to his clean copy,easier said than done.Grovelling comes to mind and being told wash your bloody hands and wipe your boots.Good old days when working class knew blue collars workers were better than them.😂The spares you found brought back memories of when all machines came like this, the manufacturer provided wear items that would need replacing under about 2 years of use .I remember they were also wrapped in waxed paper to protect them.👴Your videos always bring back memories that are locked away in the old vault,thanks Kurtis.😊
Hey mate that is brilliant and definitely make sense for why there are two books, Karen says she will now keep the "new" manual with her in the office and I must go grovel to her if I ever need it LOL
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering ..... Well Curtis, groveling could be fun. Let us know how that bit works out.....☺️
WOW!!...So good to know that smart people still cherish these mastepieces of mechanical technology. I bought one myself 3 years ago from an aerospace firm in Italy, and incredibly enough a game changer for my workshop even in the cnc era!
Brilliant mate glad to hear that
I have been in metrology for over 50 years recently retired.
We rated the Sip as the best machine of its kind in the world.
30 years with Starrett; 10 with Mitutoyo and 10 in other areas of metrology.
I believe the plug in scope is an auto Collimator to check flatness.
We used them to measure surface plate flatness.
Great video, and happy to be retired.
Keep up the great job as you enter into real accuracy in machining.
My best sir.
With those Opinel knives, many people don't realize, but the metal collar can rotate and lock the blade open, or closed. Very useful gadget...
hey mate yeah I didn't realise that until a few viewers like yourself shared the tip! Thanks
Hi Kurtis, I seem to recall, as an apprentice at Borg Warner in Fairfield Sydney in the 1960’s, we had a Societe Genevoise jig borer in the air conditioned tool room. There was one skilled operator and no one else was allowed to use this machine. Hope to see you run the machine soon.
Farking wow, life goals right there mate. I'm not sure how many people will truly be able to appreciate the design and capability of this machine. Love your work CEE!
Next on the wish list is the hydroptic no 8 🤣👌
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering mine goes to 11 !
@@gogoubai ...Your "what" goes to 11?
@@paulcopeland9035 He probably meant that his (wish list) is to own a Sip No. 11 jig borer.
@@ellieprice363 Don't panic.. I hear there is a cure for Elevendonitis these days.. Not so much for the eyesight. :D
I used to work with these fabulous machines in the late 70s here in the UK. We did work for the aerospace(RR) and nuclear industries among others.
I imagine most of my old workmates are now in that big workshop in the sky bless 'em. Won't be long before I'm joining them lol. What fantastically skilled people they were.
For me this video was a wonderful trip down memory lane. Thank you.
The Company I used to work for had 6 of these same machine tools lined up side by side in a wood planked, air conditioned, humidity controlled room. The outside wall that faced the street was glass so if you passed by you could see all the Master Machinists in white coats making parts on the SIPs. Yes those were the days.....
And collar and tie on as well i bet
@@billyhepburn854 you don't wear a tie near rotating machinery
What a beautiful piece of gear. I didn’t see an E stop anywhere. I guess you have to set that up yourself.
Almost 9ton fine ass machinery. They where really able to produce high tolerence stuff back then only using their brains and calculations on a paper. Impressive!
Very impressive!
Coincidence, I said that exact thing as a pick up line to a girl once... of course it didn't work, she's still my girlfriend......
I've heard of jig borers for 35 years, but never seen one much less a tutorial. I guess it's because I've always worked in job shops where most jobs only needed +/-.001 banana tolerance with an occasional venture into the string bean scale which is 35/64 of banana.
Could be worse, could be in plantains…Heaven only knows what THEY are.
Check out suburban tools, they show a Moore jig grinder in action in one of their video's making precision sine plates for surface grinders
Was a grinder for years, never heard of banana term for tolerances
I just won an ebay auction for a 35/64" Endmill.... I was thinking, wow that's an odd size
@@eddiekulp1241 It’s a snide throw off on the Imperial (inch) system of measurement. The jig borer uses the (monkey) system.
0:00 when i saw the title i said to myself how precise can it really be , then i saw the operator run in and i knew we were about to witness some advanced technological achievements in history
Love the 3 minutes of outtakes at the end of the video - gave me a good giggle.
I can almost feel the generations of hands that have touched those controls! What a legacy you've found!
Wow what gem.
I served my apprenticeship at NSWGR workshop at Cardiff near Newcastle,starting in 1963.
In a controlled atmosphere room was the "Genevoise Jig Borer".
I'm not sure what size it was but to a 15yo apprentice it looked huge.
I remember the operator showing me the optical centre finder, at the time I was totally amazed.
What an absolute goldmine of tooling and accesories and that documentation is worth its weight in gold, priceless.
In this day of CNC, machines like this are cast aside, I'm glad to see it go to someone who appreciates quality machinery
Phil from EVLE
Hey Phil thanks for sharing that bit of history mate, we would have loved to know the provenance and story behind what our Jig borer used to do before we got it
A good friend of mine had one of these machines, and he would allow me to use it from time to time. Wonderful machine to operate. Had a job with a series of bored holes with a hole location of +&- .0003 true location. When I sent it to my customer they said the most error was .0002 they were very impressed.
Imagine the accuracy of the master machines that are used to manufacture these borers/mills/lathes!
This has legitimately become my favorite channel, you guys do a better job on these videos than I think you realize.
wow thanks mate, we know from comments and views how much they are enjoyed. Would be funny to see a "reaction" sort of thing from viewers when they first see a new video and what they think while watching
Wow, that brought back memories. I worked on one occasionally for a couple of years over 50 years ago about that size. I was told it was recovered from a salt mine somewhere in Europe after the end of World War 2 as part of war reparations! It had a direct reading optical scale system different to yours, you looked through an eyepiece similar to the one on the optical center finder, it was in the same position to your measuring setup. It had the same on the cross head. SIP really wanted to get hold of it to upgrade! I worked as a civilian for a British military establishment at that time. We had several pieces of interesting machinery including an extremely accurate thread grinder. A metric machine but an imperial leadscrew. The leadscrew was 'borrowed' by a machine tool company to cut another master! as it was so accurate!
Enjoy your machine I did!!
This is amazing, we love reading the memories that our viewers have from watching the videos, thanks for sharing some of yours!
Good day. I'm a retired Mould-Maker Plastics in Canada. In my humble opinion you, sir, have scored a priceless machine-tool & accessories. Great video, mate! Bravo!
Awesome! I spent the bulk of my machining career running two different SIP jig borers.
The statements to that you made about how accurate they are and how nice they are to operate are accurate. Thankyou for sharing. This channel always brings me joy to watch.
Speaking on precision this video was uploaded at 12:01am Pacific Standard time. Curious as to how much time the Mrs. has put into making sure that the video is edited and ready to upload at such a precise time. It is actually incredible how hard you guys work towards the “Under promise, Over deliver” part. Thank you for your precision.
hey mate, Karen gets the video uploaded ahead of time (usually the day before) and can actually schedule them to go up at the same time each week. She likes to do that, less stress 🤣
When you upload a video to TH-cam you can set the time you want the video to be aired so it's not hard to air a video to a specific time.
That is a stunning piece of equipment that you have found. The condition that it is in, all the tooling, manuals and all the electrical spares that have come with it. There was a machine works somewhere in Aus That had really cared and maintained for it as its over 60 years. And with your TLC I'm sure that it will give another 60 years of service. Thanks for a relaxing start to the weekend with a few cold beverages. Stay dry.
Hey Aaron glad you enjoyed seeing this beauty, we are very happy with it and looking forward to getting it working on jobs! Have a good weeekend
I love these big old machines. It's amazing the size to which machines were built and this is a little one of the big ones.
Such as when you're looking at the big presses made during WWII (and later) - 27 to 36 meters tall and taller. 50,000 to 80,000 tons of pressure.
The _mighty Mesta_
Wow, thanks! I used to work one of these in the uk making titanium rotor heads for Sikorsky helicopters. Awesome machine, so smooth and accurate. The rolls royce of machines.
OMG x 1319! What an absolutely amazing machine, from a 'proper' company, AND a time when companies had genuine pride in what they were producing. All those standard, and spare parts included.
Oh my heart just melts.
Totally excellently described principles of operation too. You (and machine) are a credit to each other.
Regards Mark in the UK
Thank you mate glad you enjoyed it!
That was when human brains were at work. It is a master piece
Wow I love old machinery, how freaking accurate is that thing! amazing, with a bonus of a time capsule inside as well. As always, I love the work you two share with us. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
This machine and all the extra tooling is like 100 Christmas's bunched together. Wow!!!
I've been in Precision Engineering for 35 years now, the jig-borers fascinated me. The tooling that came with them was pure quality. They were always off limits to most people. Only the privileged few were allowed to go anywhere near them! Very rare to see a Sip these days.
Great video.
Love the video! One can clearly see that you are very excited about that machine.
My grandpa worked at SIP in the sixties as a machinist priducing parts for machines. I do not know if there are any parts from him on this exact machine, but he would certainly be proud that these machines are still used today.
that's awesome mate, always interesting to know if viewers can reate to the videos. Thanks for watching
I loved working with the SIP Jig Borer at WRE Instrument Workshop SA in the 1970s-80s.
A giant Swiss watch is what this is, I know nothing about your trade but I'm a mechanic and I can imagine how satisfying it must be working with this jewel, a joy watching your tour of it. Best.
Pretty amazing that there is 150 km between the SIP company from Genève, Switzerland, and the Opinel knife conpany from Saint Jean de Maurienne, France ! The machine and the knife has made nearly the same travel to your shop !
did not think about that, pretty bloody awesome!
Oh yeah! We had those in the early part of my career. Sadly, 40 years later they were rusting in a warehouse out back.
😢 and probably end up in the scrap heap such a waste
So sad. That should be delictive...
I remember a company (Marsden & Shires) my dad worked for bought 3 Swiss jig borers, (late 50's early 60's I think) they were installed in temperature-controlled clean rooms with air conditioning to ensure absolute stability & accuracy. They were used for making parts for Concorde while it was in development & build. Zero tolerance & 60-micron finish on quite a lot of the work he did. The whole factory was spotless with no swarf allowed on the painted floors & safety lines painted around every machine.
I know he was involved in the early use of 'disposable tips' made of ceramic I think, which meant that they didn't have to spend a lot of time making their own cutting tools. He did a lot of aircraft/jet work.
He was a reserved occupation in WW2 working on aircraft instruments & gauges. He ended his career as a senior tool calibration inspector. Sadly he died of Emphysema caused by the cutting oil fumes.
I enjoyed the video.
I machined CH47 and CH46 transmission cases, rotor head parts, drive shafts, turbine engine rotors, shafts, fuel system parts, for Columbia Helicopters for 3 yrs on one of these SIP Hydroptic-6 Jig Bore and the Rotary Tilt table. Our Digital Readout was dead on at .0001, I checked it every day on the X and Y axis. The z axis had a .005 backlash problem, so I hung a V-bottom mag base with a 1.0 travel Federal indicator to hold those tight tolerances. I changed the draw bar once, and did all the maintenance. We never used flood coolant on it. Added LED light in place of the old T8 tube. All the original positioning needles were removed. We used a shop vac for cleaning, air only lightly on parts only. At every 5 yrs, a specialist Sip rep came in and greased the spindle bearings. Definitely the most accurate manual machine I ever used.
Got my dream job as an industrial mechanic here in norway yesterday! Learnd alot from your videos and even though im not gonna be working on any big equipment, i learnd alot of tips and tricks from your videos! keep it up
that is awesome mate congrats on the dream job!
I really do appreciate the extra info on the "new" machines in the videos
Good to know and thanks for watching 👍
LOVING YOUR CHANNEL,I SPEND HRS WATCHING, BACK IN MY DAY WE DIDNT HAVE INSERTS,WE GRINDED OUR TOOLS, MISS THE SMELL OF MACHINE SHOP ,THANKS GOES TO YOUR MRS, FOR HER OUT STANDING AN CREATIVE FILMING.
*YOU WERE VERY WISE TO PURCHASE THIS INCREDIBLE PRECISION MACHINE...WOW...CONGRATS!!*
A joy to see the beauty of old machinery still being used i love watching them being used
Me too mate
Let me get this straight, to get her going you have to flip some switches, activate the lubricant fluid, flip a travel lever to the correct speed, move a lever forwards and back, turn some big knobs, smaller knobs, and finally some knobs under a hood which is difficult to reach, then move some other smaller levers, unlock the spindles and axis, rotate a wheel, hit 2 more levers, set the speed rate and finally hit the start button. Where as to get him going you just need to flip his switch and blow a little?
Sounds about right 🤣👌 don't forget to say a few sweet words to her
Don't forget to add a couple of bananas.
heh - this made my day :D
This is the 'history' of machines that have already seen a few days.
The older the machines are, the more people (operators) were necessary and also the more handles to operate the machines. This 'reduction' of hand movements to start processes was only really started with the 'digital age'.
But, the mechanical effort to start this machine with a (mechanical) switch would simply not be possible. That's where the 'digital age' scores with its possibilities.
Yes, a lot of knobs and levers... But after 30 minutes of watching Kurtis' video, I'm sure, I can drill my first 10mm hole. Try that with a modern CNC machine after a 30 minutes briefing... This kind of operating philosophy has one great advantage: the knobs and levers don't move away or hide in a labyrinth of submenues :-)
Mind blown! What a fantastic piece of vintage precision machinery. Love it. 😎👍
You and me both!
When I was an apprentice (1963) I used this machine with great pride . To this day I still chuckle about the spring loaded Centre punch & subsequent optical aligning accuracy.
Made in 60s, and still works like Swiss watch, incredible!
I nearly wet myself, as an apprentice we were using a SIP model 5E. What a lovely machine to use and the parts were spot on too. How lucky were you to get all that awesome tooling with it, mind you the SIP system, as you said, would not fit the "run of the mill" machines. After leaving the company after a few years, I never worked on a SIP jig borer again. A Japanese one I worked on, but never was the same as the 5E. They still produced a good product though, just not the silky smooth SIP. I never saw the front lifting holes on the 5E, but I just loved seeing the fantastic hidey hole for the electric spares, a great Aladdin's cave you found. Thanks once again for making us old engineers happy.
This stuff is fascinating - I'm not a tradesman but have always been interested in machining, lathes and mills etc. The equipment and skills you have accumulated are impressive !
as a now retired machinist, years ago for a long time I used a Devlieg jig borer. incredibly accurate, robust, a delight to use and 1950's vintage. most work was measured in tenths of a thou.
That’s an amazing piece of equipment. I love that it’s 60 years old and still more precise than some of todays CNC. Your explanation was great and when you pulled all the tool boxes out I got really excited.
Can’t wait to see it in action.
The thing is, the techniques that make for an accurate machine tool were the same back then as they are now, so being from the 1960's is really irrelevant. For example they still make POS machines today, even though it is 2022.
These machines were used in Europe in specially air conditioned closed room in order to maintain a very high precision degree and repeatability.It was dedicated to special work like tools or molds and operated by highly skilled professionals (only one or two).
I ran one of these back in 97'/98'
Absolutely awesome beautiful machine. One of my favorite experiences in my career 🥰
Back in the 1980's I worked at Goodyear Aerospace in Akron, Ohio. We had many Sip's, Moore, Pratt and Whitney and Brown & Sharp machines. They were always kept in the cleanest and quietest and air conditioned rooms. The operators were all primadonas, they never got dirty. I was stuck on CNC production machines. After years, the CNC mills got better, could handle the tolerances needed, could make heavy cuts, and could handle the dirt. The jig bores sat idle. We had quit a few jig grinders also. Cheers
This video is a masterpiece for presenting so many of the nearly endless functions of that stunning machine! I'm delighted that someone had the foresight to keep all of the accessories and tooling with it and that it got into your hands! With all of the comments here anything I would write would be redundant. My great grandfather and grandfather were Swiss engineers, so this machine is so I am especially attracted to this machine. Thanks for the wonderful presentation and perfect videography, as always.
Hey mate, one of the things we enjoy most about reading comments is when viewers can relate, have memories or history they can share. So thanks for sharing some of yours!
Wow Kurtis that is one helluva piece of equipment, looking forward to seeing it in use. Many a fine tune played on an old fiddle 🎻 👌
Great tour & tutorial, absolutely fascinating...now I want one! The books, the tooling, and the spare parts are a total bonus! Too often I see machinery for sale with no extras at all with them. I love seeing the extra and tooling in well made wood cases rather than plastic.
What an incredible piece of machinery! The precision they were able to achieve over half a century ago is beyond impressive. Overall it looks to be in pretty good shape aside from the broken pieces!
Hi Curtis, I was in Geneva a couple of days ago and found this information about the SIP Company - Geneva Physical Instruments Society (SIP)
Company founded by the physicist Auguste De la Rive and the botanist Marc Thury with the aim of manufacturing devices and instruments necessary for research and scientific and scientific experiments. In 1870, the engineer Theodore Turrettini joined the management of the company. It expanded into the machine tool and precision mechanics sectors.
and precision mechanics. The company has become famous for the production of high-precision heel rolls. The company has up to 1400
employees at its two sites in Plainpalais and Chatelaine. In 1990, SIP moved to Satigny. In 2006, it was bought by the StarragHeckert group. The Satigny plant closed in 2016.
Kind regards, Jim - Brussels - Belgium 😉
Brought back happy memories of learning to use our SIP#1 jig borer as an apprentice. It lived in its own quiet and clean room and had a great stool to sit on whilst working it. It had a magnificent selection of tools and accessories and was treated with such reverence!
Such an amazing machine, you'll put it to good use. Those boxes filled with accessories and alignment tools are pure gold...
Great video. You should convert a section of your shop to a "Clean-room" with stable temperature for your high precision equipment
I'm not an engineer but this machine is beautiful Swiss engineering and it might be an elder statesman now but it can clearly still produce the precision you require in your work. This is a video you and Karen should be proud of, you both put in a lot of work on this one
Thank you mate we appreciate you saying so!
"It just needs to make sense.. And sometimes it's hard making you make sense."
As an IT nerd that also builds random shit, welds, and can run a mill.. I felt this. I've watched my wife's eyes just gloss over trying to listen to me lmao
🤣👍
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering I'm actually going to be back in the Philippines here in a few months, was thinking about running South to the underdown, don't know if y'all do fan meets or not though
Every bodies eyes gloss over when you start to to talk about engineering 99.9% of people have absolutely no concept of how tings are really made. I was a Jig Borer on mainly SIP machines for over thirty years, on Press Tools -one off MOD -Aircraft and Marine parts and some jobs were zero tolerance. I was on holiday this guys wife asked me what I did for a living I said I was a jig borer, she said what is that, I said I drill holes in bit of iron,her husband replied it is a bit more complex than that and when I picked myself off the floor I replied " you must be one of the chosen few to know what a jig borer is.
Bravo! This is first time i think something is bit too accurate for practical use and i use machinist tolerances of ten microns 0.01 to nearly everything. Wonderful machine and rare, never heard about it before!
Hi Kurtis, I did my apprenticeship at Lysaghts in Newcastle between 1967 and 1971. Part of Lysaghts was Sankeys. Sankeys had a enviromentally controlled toolroom in which was 2 Jig borers, just like yours. My ears pricked up when you said Newcastle.
It always fascinates me how much precision they were able to get, even 100 years ago.
We really do have an engineering debt to the pioneers of the industrial revolution.
Really does blow the mind what they achieved without all the fancy tech and computers we have in today's age
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering that section where you found the tin of Spare Parts, all wrapped in paper, really reminded me of how my Grandad used to store his model trains.
Some real nostalgia moments for mem
Especially when you see someone checking their DRO accuracy with a micrometer or dial gauge.
I am living in the town where this machine was built : Geneva. And I know where the factory building is, It's now turned into an art centre. (your pronunciation "sociétè genevoise" was good). Thank for the videos It's always a pleasure to watch.
It always amazes me when a place of industry is turned into an art gallery. It happens a lot. The people who worked in those places produced things like that machine that helped to give us all that we have now. I think there is a large amount of irony there. Jeff
@19.08 when you said "and randomly in amongst all the paperwork I did find......" I just really wanted you to say 'a copy of a 1980's bongo mag' - that would have made my day!
I’ve been operating a jig borer for a few years now and it’s a fantastic machine to use, I love the accuracy it can achieve
my, Kurtis you are a wonder. thank you for your time to show us your machine. cant wait until we see it in action.
You bet mate thanks for taking time to watch, looking forward to getting a job in action on this beast!
This machine with all the documentation is a real treasure. Love to see such a fantastic old machine.
what a fantastic machine....loved it when you discovered the spare parts cans under the frame cover. And great to see the boxes of tools and accessories. I've never said 'wow' so many times!
the joy your dog gets out opening presents is fun to watch.😊
Kurtis, you and your wife and safety officer have a very special place here on planet earth. You guys are so dedicated to your craft and to each other. Keep up the solid work for your customers and us that vicariously live a life of “pretend machining” through your channel. I love watching your content and the antics and happy times from Mr Safety. (Lol) I mentioned to my wife that if we visit Australia in our retirement years (10 more years) that I’d like to goto a machine shop in the Gold Coast and visit a pay respects to a real machinist doing heavy machining on mining equipment. Her eyes glazed and she fell ill…(lol) …anyway by then you’ll be a multi millionaire having several million subs and views on each video. Thanks again for your content and please keep everyone’s finger’s and toes happy..
Awesome new machine! You were very thorough in describing how it works and it’s various uses and functions. And as always, love seeing the out takes and the love that Homeless gets!
Hey Greg well thanks for taking time to watch it!
The project of organizing, learning, rapairing, and setting up this machine, is like a dream come true.
Enjoyed the video on the jig borer but realized while watching out-takes that you and Karen do put lots of effort into a smooth video production. It's to our benefit and I thank you both!
I love the bloopers at the end, but I must say as a young fella who worked as a appy fitter at an abattoir and is now a fabrication appy I love seeing a tradesman with actual tradesmen quality nowadays it seems like a dying bread. Love learning from your vids and look forward to learning more from a proper trady 💙
Between the size, precision, and thought-through complexity of the tooling and optics, this thing is breathtaking
The jig borer that you purchased used to be at the old NSW State Rail Maintenance Facility located at Cardiff NSW Australia. I worked there after it was taken over by EDI Rail from 2001 to 2012 and again in 2018/19. That jig borer was in the old apprentice training area within the main workshop in an airconditioned room. Unfortunately, a lot of tooling for the machine was thrown out along with a considerable amount of toolroom equipment ie master thread gauges, surface plates, straight edges, master squares and large inside and outside micometer set up equipment. It was criminal the amount of test equipment and tooling that was scrapped. Nobody knew what the equipment was or what it was used for, so it went to scrap metal.
There was also wheel turning machines (some or which went to the Heritage Centre in Sydney, I think). There was a large dual chuck wheel turning lathe that had been there since the steam engine days, there were photographs in the office showing steam locomotive drive wheel sets being machined. The last I saw of that it was out the back of the yard in pieces in the weather for quite some time then it disappeared. Scrapped no doubt.
There was also a foundry at one end of the facility where they made dog spikes, fish plates etc all sorts of stuff and two 38 class boilers set up to provide steam for cleaning etc, as far as I'm aware the old steam pipes are still in place.
In our country, this is called a "coordinate boring" machine. In my opinion, more accurately reflects the essence. We have almost all the terminology of machinery came from the German language.
Very cool, Europeans invented engineering and Germans perfected it!
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering I expect the Swiss would beg to discuss that claim.
@@markbernier8434 Swabians are the Germans that have the most amazing industry and precision. They border Switzerland (both Alemannes). Seems to be the smartest region (something in the water maybe)?
Awesome acquisition! I'm fairly confident there was one of these at Ruston Bucyrus in Lincoln UK. It was in the Tool Room in it's own purpose built dust free room, operated by Len. Out of bounds for the likes of a 16 yr old me!
Amazing piece of machinery! You are one lucky dude. Just watching this video was like being there and actually owning it with you. I live in Seattle and was fortunate to have a grandfather and father that had both a metal shop and wood shop that I grew up with. I was operating a 9” South Bend engine lathe since I was 13 years of age. I ended up being a plumber so I didn’t have a chance to continue with machining metal, but I did get into wood working and ended up making 500 pens after I retired from Home Depot. Now that I’m retired I’m able to watch these TH-cam videos on machining and in my estimation you are one of the best. Along with your wife/photographer and doggie, Homeless. Keep up the great videos. I enjoy every one of them. And please get the feed handle on the boring machine fixed and show us what it can do. Thanks, Larry Ferrari from Seattle.
The SIP is a cadillac. Ran one for a few years at Dexter Tool Co., doing aircraft work in West Palm Beach, Fla.
What an amazing machine. Just proves they don’t build them like they used to. You will make a fantastic custodian of this machine. Hope it serves you well. Great content as always.
Yeah what happened to the world? I always thought progress was supposed to go forwards. We should be making better things today.