"Into the Fire" - Babylon 5 - Season 4 Episode 6 - Reaction | HOW IS THIS NOT A SEASON FINALE!

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  • @exile220ify
    @exile220ify ปีที่แล้ว +41

    For me, one of the best moments in the entire series was when Vir got to wave to Mr. Morden's severed head on the pike.

  • @WilliamGreer
    @WilliamGreer ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I watch B5 reactions to relive the moment I first saw it. I love this show and seeing others love it, too, makes me happy. Though when I saw Morden's head and Vir waving for the first time I jumped out of my seat danced around. But I was a kid.

  • @orthochronicity6428
    @orthochronicity6428 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Vir, the only one who actually got what he wanted, possibly because he also knew who he was.

    • @SirMarshalHaig
      @SirMarshalHaig ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And never had a desire for power or revenge.

    • @miller-joel
      @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว

      And what he wanted.

    • @elaine_of_shalott6587
      @elaine_of_shalott6587 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Everyone got what they asked for, but yes he's the only one who actually liked getting it.

    • @evenmoor
      @evenmoor ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@elaine_of_shalott6587 Well, Delenn asked Morden to get out, which worked out reasonably well! 😉

    • @scottkrametbauer90
      @scottkrametbauer90 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sadly, it only cost killing the one who is already dead

  • @Snatcher42
    @Snatcher42 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Re: everyone mentioning that Season 4 was compressed, yes, but that doesn't really kick in until much later. The Shadow War was always planned to end in the first third of this Season.

  • @Muck006
    @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The dialogue between the Minister of Intelligence and Londo has one of the greatest quotes ever ... which can easily explain to you why PRECISE LANGUAGE / DEFINITIONS MATTERS:
    *_"If you can't say what you're meaning ... you can never mean what you're saying. The details are everything!"_*

  • @Orieni
    @Orieni ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Londo Molari is not the enemy you want, and despite all of his evil and darkness, I have to respect that he was willing to die for his world.

  • @chrism7395
    @chrism7395 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Peter Jurasik once said in an interview that his way of getting into character and the accent was to simply say, "ahhh, meeester Garibaldi!"

  • @BabylonLurker
    @BabylonLurker ปีที่แล้ว +18

    "It's numbers... cold unsympathetic numbers" Marcus has some pretty great lines.
    Londo may not have known, but he gave Vir exactly what he wanted.
    "A Vorlon said, understanding is a three edged sword - your side, their side, and the truth" This is a great Sheridan (and Delenn) moment. I love what JMS did here.
    "It was the dawn of the third age of Mankind" Remember that's what SInclair says in the season 1 intro?
    I really like this episode a lot. It makes perfect sense that the younger races could never fight their way out of this. They had to *think* their way out, and with a little help from a friend they did it!
    Be seeing you!

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The "three-edged sword" is a good thing to remember for real life, because typically people give you only two options to choose between ... but there are always more than that. You might have to "think creatively" and/or "go against your own wishes/preferences" to find them, but the point is that they are there.

  • @ThePrytanis
    @ThePrytanis ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Now you know what the stakes were all along. Go back and watch episodes like Deathwalker. Or the Geometry of Shadows ("Green! Purple!"). You will see the themes of slow, deliberate, planned growth vs the chaos of evolution. So many episodes are about this theme. Order vs Chaos. It isn't about one way or the other. It's about balance in most instances, with other times where one path or the other is the right one.
    Now you know. An knowing is (only) half of the battle!

  • @SirMarshalHaig
    @SirMarshalHaig ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Aaahhhhhhhh Mr Morden!
    Love that greeting so much.

  • @sdfried4877
    @sdfried4877 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Season 4 is packed like a piñata of awesomeness.

  • @martintoggweiler2343
    @martintoggweiler2343 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The first time going into this episode, I was somewhat shocked and disappointed that the Shadow War got wrapped up. We’re in the Third Age now, and I think you will find it a most interesting and intriguing time. Still lots of fantastic story ahead!

  • @pezdispencer113
    @pezdispencer113 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The reason it wasn't a season finale is because the show was grtting cancelled, season 5 wasnt going to happen.
    JMS didnt want to leave the show incomplete, so he moved up the timetable which meant shortening the shadow war.
    He wrote every episode of S4 himself to make sure everything got in there, which resulted in it being the best season in the show, which as a result got them the 5th season after all. Its kinda ironic.

  • @t3amtomahawk
    @t3amtomahawk ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The war ending here makes more sense the longer you think about it and rewatch. It takes the idea of Babylon 5 as a place of diplomacy being able to solve the galaxy's problem and applied it.
    This was the most B5 way to end the war, I think

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

      ... especially with the banger episodes that follow, the resolution of the Garibaldi plot and eath.

  • @richardwallis9374
    @richardwallis9374 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Londo is a very tragic figure. He is responsible for atrocities. But he’s not a horrible person.

    • @dene39
      @dene39 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes he is, but hes also many other things. Thats the beauty of his character

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

      He IS a horrible person ... because he doesnt think about the consequences of his actions and only thinks about his own side/race.
      Kinda like the CIA/US State department destabilising/regime-changing other nations and causing war and suffering "over there" ... while americans think they are the best nation on the planet.

  • @SC-LXVII
    @SC-LXVII ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ending the Great War, which was first teased in season one, early in the 4th season is an immensely original (if not gutsy) TV decision by JMS. Completely unexpected (despite him always stating he was going to have an 'Act 5' aftermath). Like a lot of viewers i was a bit stunned originally, but ive come to seriously respect, and like, the decision.

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

      The whole "Centauri plot" later on is a bit unfinished, just like the looming telepath war that is teased the whole time.

  • @hornorsilk2901
    @hornorsilk2901 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    When I first watched this one, I was disappointed at the ending. It seemed anti-climatic. But then I came to understand the show better, and realize, the Shadow War is not what the show is about. The show is much more than that.

    • @hornorsilk2901
      @hornorsilk2901 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But I did love what Londo did

    • @Nikioko
      @Nikioko ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The show was about the younger races growing up. And now they leave the parental home and are responsible for themselves. And the older races learning that they have to let their children go.

    • @robertdendooven7258
      @robertdendooven7258 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Exactly the same reaction I had until I watched it again and realized that as Lorien said, it wasn't about a military victory but a philosophical victory.

    • @meropetied
      @meropetied ปีที่แล้ว +6

      A whole lot of people had the same problem. I definitely have had that conversation several times over the years. Fortunately the next three episodes did a good job of preparing us for what else was to come.

    • @gerstelb
      @gerstelb ปีที่แล้ว +1

      “You are the beginning of the story, and the middle of the story, and the end of the story…that creates the next great story!”
      JMS was put in a bad position with the threat of possible cancellation, but by the end of Season 5, you realize what he did with the overall story arc.

  • @1amazeme
    @1amazeme ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You may or may not know this but this episode is very reminiscent of the end of Return of the King. The elves went on their ships into the mist or unknown land, leaving the humans, and hobbits, to make their own way instead of being influenced by those were beyond in lives and understanding. We were left to fight ourselves instead of looking for divine intervention.

    • @drob281159
      @drob281159 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And Vir as Sam Gamgee.

    • @mayra3277
      @mayra3277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indeed! And I feel like there's another episode later that also nicely fits that theme... :) you probably know which one I mean

    • @drob281159
      @drob281159 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mayra3277 Yup 🙂

  • @nefethrul
    @nefethrul ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:14 According to an old interview Mr. Peter Jurasik took inspiration from Hungarian immigrants for his iconic voice. Due to the language differences it is common for this demographic to have a hypothetical statement and add "yes?" with a rise in the tone at the end instead of using the English sentence structure for questions. This, combined with a forced diaphragm is getting you close to it.
    E.g. You've must been practicing to sound like me, Mr Mega, yeS??

  • @mayra3277
    @mayra3277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think I read/heard somewhere that the reason Coriana VI had six billion inhabitants was that that was Earth's rough population size when this episode aired, so it would emotionally connect with viewers.
    What an episode, huh? Massive, unorthodox, surprising. The third age has started now. Let's see how well we do on our own...

  • @miller-joel
    @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "You cannot win this war through force. You must understand your way out of this."

    • @sharkdentures3247
      @sharkdentures3247 ปีที่แล้ว

      "But it still HELPS to have a gargantuan ARMADA available too."

    • @miller-joel
      @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sharkdentures3247 Against the Shadows AND the Vorlons? Good luck.

  • @quentinmichel7581
    @quentinmichel7581 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    While Morden got what he deserved....he is actually quite a tragic figure in the story. In the canon Trilogies its revealed that Morden's wife and daughter were killed in a jumpgate accident or sabotage (I forget which). It absolutely broke him as you might assume, and when the Shadows were woken by the Icarus crew, the Shadows told Morden that his family hadn't been killed per se,
    ...they just had their molecules scattered into hyperspace AND that through the Shadow's super-advanced technology they could restore the physical forms and return his family to him if he would just faithfully serve them and their agenda. Anyone who's lost a child and spouse to a tragedy could well understand the temptation that Morden was presented with. He's still an a*****e, but there is also a bit of poignancy here that can't be overlooked.

    • @stuartwald2395
      @stuartwald2395 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sounds close to what a Sith Lord would use to seduce a Jedi Knight.

    • @chrism7395
      @chrism7395 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The necklace you see him clutching after the Shadows are nuked is meant to be the only part of her ship that wasn't obliterated.

    • @sdfried4877
      @sdfried4877 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@chrism7395The necklace holds his wedding ring.

    • @sdfried4877
      @sdfried4877 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      As I recall, Morden was ready to kill himself when the Icarus mission came up. He joined the crew and pretended nothing had happened but he was so artificially smiley and pleasant that he creeped the hell out of the crew. Anna Sheridan was the only one who tried to interact with him on a personal level.

    • @quentinmichel7581
      @quentinmichel7581 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sdfried4877 Been a few years since I read the books but I believe you are correct.
      I wish more people knew about the Trilogies. What we see in the TV show is literally only the tip of a vast iceberg. I remember being particularly blown away finding out that the only reason that Sheridan's mission to Za'ha'dum was successful was due to Galen the Technomage who was also on the planet at the time. Vorlon tech (Whitestar) would have never been allowed even close to the surface of the planet if Galen hadn't messed with the orbital defenses.

  • @gallendugall8913
    @gallendugall8913 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Peter Jurasik really goes very Eastern European for his accent, which is mainly shifting emphasis to different parts of the words he is speaking. Instead of saying "my good friend" the emphasis hits on the first two letters "MY GOod FRiend"

    • @gallendugall8913
      @gallendugall8913 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't forget to roll your "r"s, gesticulate energetically, be bombastic, and occasionally draw out the end of the word, "AHhhh!" "YEsss!" Most of all always be thinking - Wine Women and Song!

  • @miller-joel
    @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ok, now we just have to liberate Earth...

  • @benediktcz
    @benediktcz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    it probably would be if they didnt think this is the last season - the station b5 was airing on was going out of business so they condensed what was planned for s4 and s5 into s4, since it seemed there will not be a s5

  • @walkir2662
    @walkir2662 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ah yes, Corianna VI. An all time favorite.
    But nothing beats Vir getting his wish. The island pales in comp

    • @Markus117d
      @Markus117d ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I kinda had the opposite realisation about the Shadows, And indeed the wider question of them both. That it's not that the Vorlons were bad guys so much as they were both good and bad, As are many things in B5, Then it hit me that the Shadows are in the same way not the bad guys, But rather a bit of both. Those thoughts had been growing ever since Sheridan went to Za'Ha'Dum and Kosh 2 arrived on the scene, but it was this episode that finalized and confirmed it, Both wanted to do the best they could for the younger races, But as the saying goes "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" 😄👍

    • @walkir2662
      @walkir2662 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Markus117d I'm used to seeing the Vorlons as the bad guys because the younger races want to chart their own path, leaving the circle. That's closer to what the Shadows want, so the idea isn't anathema to their plans.
      There is no good guys between those two indeed.
      But I still love the part in "A Thin Veneer" where the Federation sends an ambassador, the Shadows expect a human... and run into someone they consider a First One. (I think a Metron?) The Vorlons, meanwhile, just see the circlebroken and freak out.
      But yes, the road to hell is the perfect saying.

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@walkir2662 The thing is that NEITHER of their "concepts" are bad, but rather that at this time they both had become EXTREMISTS.
      - you NEED order to have a somewhat stable society and because order makes life easier ...
      - you ALSO NEED unpredictability, change and danger to keep your brain thinking at all and to be able to survive in a universe that is unfair (cf. Marcus' wisdom in one of the episodes)

  • @simonoleary9264
    @simonoleary9264 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Meester Reacts...
    My goood and dear friend.
    I am truly overjoyed that have embarked on theese jouurneey, to visit the wonderous woorld of Babylon Five, and reememberr to always bee careful with your...
    Perrsonal appendages when playing cards.

  • @mikeclemens795
    @mikeclemens795 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You probably know this already, but B5 was as good as cancelled, so JMS had to compact the story to make sure it was told. That's why this season can feel rushed. Then TNT picked it up at the last minute and we got a 5th season.

    • @miller-joel
      @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They were fighting cancellation the whole way. Every season.

    • @rukbat3
      @rukbat3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This episode was always supposed to come partway through the season though; it just would have taken a couple more episodes to get there.

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was recently revealed that there was a higher-up in WB that kept B5 projects from being made. This "obstacle" is now gone.

    • @alankingsley2916
      @alankingsley2916 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Muck006Was it Michigan J Frog? It was Michigan J Frog, wasn’t it?

  • @wrorchestra1
    @wrorchestra1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "You must not kill the one who is already dead"..... too late!

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

      He didnt ...

  • @CosmicJestar
    @CosmicJestar ปีที่แล้ว +4

    🎉 quite enjoying your infectious enthusiasm Mega.... :)

  • @sharkdentures3247
    @sharkdentures3247 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lorien explaining Immortality to Ivonnava makes him seem SO sympathetic to me. One of the BEST scenes IMO.
    As far as your title goes, I believe this WAS (originally) the season finale! But Season 5 was NOT being renewed, so JMS was FORCED to "smoosh" his plans for Seasons 4 & 5 into Season 4. (Making Season 4 GREAT but feeling a little "rushed".)
    Everything for the REST of this season, was what JMS had originally planned for Season 5.
    When (eventually) Season 5 was approved (near the END of Season 4) JMS had to hurry and write out an ADDITIONAL synopsis for a NEW Season.

    • @miller-joel
      @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว +5

      "Only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal. You should embrace that remarkable illusion."

    • @sharkdentures3247
      @sharkdentures3247 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@miller-joel Rather poetic. Dotcha think?

    • @miller-joel
      @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sharkdentures3247 Is it by accident
      that he says this to Ivanova, of all people?

    • @sharkdentures3247
      @sharkdentures3247 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@miller-joel Naw. He could tell that Ivonnava is in desperate need of some Lovin'.
      ("I volunteer as tribute!") lol

    • @hornorsilk2901
      @hornorsilk2901 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      no, originally, this was not going to be the season finale... another episode, much later in the season, was going to be -- the Shadow War was always going to end early in the season

  • @rizon72
    @rizon72 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This season was when you realized the Shadows were not this evil dark race but a race with a different ideology compared to the Vorlons who were supposed to stand for the light and good. But like so much in life its all just shades of grey.

  • @mrkhyronm
    @mrkhyronm ปีที่แล้ว +5

    11:46 John "Nuke Em" Sheridan

    • @Orieni
      @Orieni ปีที่แล้ว

      We used to call him Johnny Nuke-Boy.

    • @ianstopher9111
      @ianstopher9111 ปีที่แล้ว

      Londo "Nuke Em" Mollari

  • @IvarChoiEspedalen
    @IvarChoiEspedalen ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Of course i will follow your B5 reaction journey!

  • @Nikioko
    @Nikioko ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The show was on the brink of cancellation. So JMS had to wrap up some things early. Much of the stuff in Season 4 was intended for Season 5, originally.

    • @simongiles9749
      @simongiles9749 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not really, I think this gets overstated.

    • @Nikioko
      @Nikioko ปีที่แล้ว

      @@simongiles9749 Some filler episodes were moved to Season 5. And Season 5 is quite stretched.

    • @simongiles9749
      @simongiles9749 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Nikioko Somewhat, yes. I think we'll need to reconvene here in about a year when we can talk further without spoilers!
      Or... who's nearest the end? Mild Fuzz. Or one of Medusa's Crusade vids, maybe, but a bit off topic!

    • @DeonTain
      @DeonTain ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@simongiles9749 If JMS had known that he would get a 5th season, I suspect this would have been closer to middle of the season.

    • @simongiles9749
      @simongiles9749 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DeonTain Maybe 8 or 9, but then, what would you add in the gaps that you think is missing, that's what I can't work out. Even turning this one into a two-parter; what would you add?
      It'd probably be better in the modern streaming format where you don't have to make each episode the same length and could baybe stretch it to a full hour.

  • @JamesC1981
    @JamesC1981 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    10:30 uh oh there goes Sicily

  • @raymathews1474
    @raymathews1474 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the finest moments in the series is when Londo clicks his remote....

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is a bit of a tiny remote and could have been a bit bigger, but apparently Centauri have a thing for "tiny devices" ... with Carthagia's tiny bell and this button.

  • @WilliamGreer
    @WilliamGreer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I keep telling folks: don't listen to what people say about Babylon 5. Just watch it. If you don't like it, that's fine. But you might. Give it a chance.

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

      The ONLY thing to criticise about it is ... the cheap sets. Everything else - writing, actors, story - is 10/10 perfect, because "everything" is very very tight and "referenced later on".

  • @RetroRobotRadio
    @RetroRobotRadio ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Vorlons and Shadows are lawful neutral and chaotic neutral.

    • @richardwallis9374
      @richardwallis9374 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Started off as lawful/chaotic good but shifted to neutral over thousands of years of tribalism.

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually they are EVIL ... because they are EXTREMISTS and punish disobedience by death.

  • @Nergalsama01
    @Nergalsama01 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This could've been a season finale, or at least close to it. But when it looked like Babylon 5 would end after S4, JMS had to scramble to squeeze conclusions to the major story arcs into one season of television. Specifically, the Shadow War and the resolution to the situation on Earth. So the Shadow War got the short end of the stick in comparison, but the ending was still quite epic.
    To this day, I love this era of TV sci-fi. Between B5 and DS9, there were so many epic space battles and fleet shots of a size and scope that are IMO unmatched to this day.

    • @simongiles9749
      @simongiles9749 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think it ever would have been a season finale, you couldn't drag the Shadow War on for another 22 episodes without becoming repetitive.
      Remember asking that the Shadows are merely a metaphor- The Coming of Shadows isn't just about them specifically, it's about the shadow of war, the shadow of oppression and fear, the shadow of chaos, and shadowy organisations.

    • @Nergalsama01
      @Nergalsama01 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@simongiles9749 Certainly not the full 22 episodes. Info seems to be a bit iffy on that, but maybe half of the season would've been dedicated to this story arc. The ending for this conflict would've been the same, but maybe there could've been more time for preparation.

    • @simongiles9749
      @simongiles9749 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Nergalsama01 It would have been nice to spend more time with Cartagia, I think.
      But I was pondering this. Both Whatever Happened to Mr Garibaldi and Th Long Night manage to fit in long scenes where there are essentially two people talking, and they don't feel at all rushed.
      The difference is, I think, that here B5 has slid fully along the scale from episodic to serialised, and so what we haven't had is an Episode About A Thing for a while. Each one has been more like a modern show and advanced bits of plotline

  • @miller-joel
    @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Peter Jurasik has to watch this one. Make it happen, Internet.

  • @MarvinNoFun
    @MarvinNoFun ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The episode is frakking awesome, but I was a bit underwhelmed, that the Shadow/Vorlon war ended so soon. I think, we need more of that.

  • @72tadrian65
    @72tadrian65 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    An A for Centauri cosplay. Boo for sound going out at two minutes 45.😊

  • @gallendugall8913
    @gallendugall8913 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Welcome to the Third Age!

  • @Nikioko
    @Nikioko ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The island with the Shadow ships is Ylicis. 😆

    • @robertdendooven7258
      @robertdendooven7258 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL. It took me a few seconds to understand you had just spelled Sicily backwards. Why? I don't know. Superstition?

    • @simongiles9749
      @simongiles9749 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@robertdendooven7258The image for Selini is basically a flipped map of Sicily.

    • @Nikioko
      @Nikioko ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@robertdendooven7258 In the picture, there is a mirrored version of Sicily. We even have the Strait of Messina and the tip of Calabria.

    • @robertdendooven7258
      @robertdendooven7258 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Nikioko I probably knew that at one point, but I haven't watched a full B5 episode in a few years. Just what is shown in people's reaction videos. Nicely done.

  • @robgraham5697
    @robgraham5697 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved that the Shadow War was ended by philosophy. A deep descent into the reasons behind the conflict demonstrated that it was unnecessary and to no profit of the younger races.
    If the soldiers do not wish to fight the generals can do little.

  • @SirMarshalHaig
    @SirMarshalHaig ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How did Londo know about what Vir wanted? Did he have a listening devide, did Vir tell him..or did Morden complain about this?
    In case of the latter...can you imagine Londo´s reaction? "Oooh my dear good friend Mr Morden...I promise you I will talk to him about it in time"

    • @miller-joel
      @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Londo knew Vir hated Morden.

    • @SirMarshalHaig
      @SirMarshalHaig ปีที่แล้ว

      @@miller-joel Yes but the head on the pike is rather specific.

    • @miller-joel
      @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SirMarshalHaig Probably because jms was the writer, and had planted that way back in s2.

    • @SirMarshalHaig
      @SirMarshalHaig ปีที่แล้ว

      @@miller-joel I´m not talkin about the writing, I talk about the in-universe way for Londo to know what Vir wanted.

    • @miller-joel
      @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SirMarshalHaig In-universe, it's a happy coincidence.
      Cartagia had cut off the heads of his ministers, so it seems to be a normal thing for the Centauri.

  • @ChristopherPam-m4l
    @ChristopherPam-m4l ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How is this not a season finale? Word came down that B5 wasn't going to get a season 5... so JMS had to accelerate some things and they happened earlier than originally planned. This probably WAS supposed to be a season finale... or at the very least (no spoliers) been at the mid-point of S4 (episode 12) instead of episode 6.

    • @HikaruXavier
      @HikaruXavier ปีที่แล้ว

      S4 was indeed compressed but only by about 5 episodes. Episode 17 was originally supposed to be the S4 finale, per JMS.

  • @72tadrian65
    @72tadrian65 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Londo raging about being played is so good! I felt so uncomfortable watching it. RIP to such a great actor.

    • @TheButtonLady
      @TheButtonLady ปีที่แล้ว

      Um. Peter Jurasik isn't dead.

    • @72tadrian65
      @72tadrian65 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheButtonLady Yes, my mistake! One of the precious ones left.

  • @janakas.2642
    @janakas.2642 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You could not wait, aren't you?
    You had to watch right after S04E05😂

  • @volrathsstronghold
    @volrathsstronghold ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This episode has 5 out of my top 10 Babylon 5 moments. Strangely it is just top10 episode but not top 5. For my feeling it is a bit to compressed. Otherwise excellent stuff.

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

      Having loads of space battles to pad the run time over several episodes would be "meaningless padding". It is fully condensed and that is great.
      The first two episodes of Ahsoka are being criticised for having loads of "slowly walking towards somewhere" many MANY times.

  • @classicalliberal70
    @classicalliberal70 ปีที่แล้ว

    The way i understood it is that Babylon 5 was going to be cancelled after season 4 so things had to be rushed. I heard that the original plan was for all of season 4 was going to be the shadow war. But TNT picked up Babylon 5 and we got season 5 and the tv movies.

    • @HikaruXavier
      @HikaruXavier ปีที่แล้ว

      Not quite correct. S4 was indeed compressed but only by about 5 episodes. E17 was originally supposed to be the S4 finale, per JMS.

    • @classicalliberal70
      @classicalliberal70 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HikaruXavier Thank you I have heard different things over the decade.

  • @JRcomments
    @JRcomments ปีที่แล้ว

    It's too bad that JMS didn't know that B5 was going to get a 5th season in his 5 year story so S4 is condensed and a roller coaster of a ride. I believe this would have been a S4 season ender had JMS known he had 5.

    • @JRcomments
      @JRcomments ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@philipmcfarlane good to know.

  • @SteveHARDWATER
    @SteveHARDWATER ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of these days, you'll pull off the hair-do 😂

  • @eyallev
    @eyallev ปีที่แล้ว +3

    it's not the season finale, because when they were making season four, they didn't know they would have a season 5, so season 4 is half of what season 5 was suppose to be (and thus, season 5 is kind a the weak season, because they finished most of the stories in this season)

    • @martintoggweiler2343
      @martintoggweiler2343 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This episode was never going to be the S4 finale. The uncertainty over whether there would be a S5 accelerated events by 3 episodes. What extra bits we would’ve had in those episodes I do not know, perhaps there are clues in one of the published books of script notes but I doubt it as I expect I would have heard a fan mention it on fb.

    • @hornorsilk2901
      @hornorsilk2901 ปีที่แล้ว

      Season 5 is not weak. It might have a bit more padding at first, but the story continues, and in very important, twisty ways

  • @MrTickleTrunk
    @MrTickleTrunk ปีที่แล้ว +2

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @Muck006
    @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hate to break it to you, Mega, but the Centauri have an EMPIRE and NOT A REPUBLIC!

  • @SteveHARDWATER
    @SteveHARDWATER ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rrrroll your rrrrrs! Haha

  • @hedinsee6830
    @hedinsee6830 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Now get the hell out of our galaxy!

  • @dewaynejelks9088
    @dewaynejelks9088 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    end one set of problems...

  • @damonbryan7232
    @damonbryan7232 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Please never try to talk like Londo. It painful to listen to.

    • @MegaReacts
      @MegaReacts  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sometimes the holy ghost just hits you.

    • @miller-joel
      @miller-joel ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MegaReacts Don't listen to the Shadows, Londo.

    • @cthulhucollector
      @cthulhucollector ปีที่แล้ว

      Quiet, you moon faced assassin of joy.