Great explanation and video. Thanks for taking the time to make it. After having it up for a number of months do you still feel it was necessary to run each section of each cable individually or could you run a single cable the full length with a single turn buckle per cable at each end (meaning 4 turn buckles total vs 4 turnbuckles per section?
Jeremy, thanks for your question. Couple answers to it... 1st, I used stainless hardware, overkill, and $$$$$$ when you count up that many turnbuckles. My theory was that if I terminated the cables at each post, then each post would carry the load vs just the end posts. And to a degree that is true. I now believe you could just run it all the way through and achieve the same results with a single cable, but it will put more load on the two end poles if you have a long line, center poles will carry a vertical load, end poles will carry a vertical load and 100% of the horizontal load exerted on the cable. If your end poles are imbedded well, or they are tied back (guyed) should be no issues with a through-cable set up. With separate cable sections, the center poles horizontal load is cancelled out by the cable pulling on the opposite side, so maximum horizontal load for any pole (the end pole) is 1/2 of the load for that one span. I think I over thought it. The set up in my opinion that I have is more than beefy enough to support it with through-cable design. I could have saved some time... and a lot of money. I hope this helps you and your decision. Looking forward to a lot more berries this year (year #2).
@@TryNewThings Thanks for the response...I was hoping that was what you would say. I’m gonna try the through-cable option. I have a few galvanized turn buckles from another project that I plan to incorporate. Thanks again for the video, ideas and quick response - this is what makes the community great! Best of luck with your crop!
LOL, thanks Michael. May not have been the 'best' tool for the job, but was the most 'fun' tool for the job!!! Appreciate you taking the time to leave some feedback.
It was a very nice video and thank you for creating it! I built a straight 3-wire trellis for my blackberries, but I’m thinking about converting to a Vee-style because of the vigorous growth. If you had to do it all over again, would you change any of the dimensions?
If I were to do it again (and I'm very much thinking about adding two more rows next year), there are a couple changes I would make. And I will likely still make this first one .... 1. I'd pull in the cables about 3-4" closer to the poles. My "V" does not need to be that wide, and I think tying them up 'straighter' would be better for mowing, trimming, etc. 2. The biggest change I would make is just run single cables through the center horizontals, having just one turn buckle at the end of each line. Save a lot of $ on hardware. 3. I'd stick with stainless cable, but would likely go with galvanized eye hooks etc in the future, again to save some money. But that is about it, this is year #2 for my blackberries and raspberries, the blackberries are taking off like crazy and taking full advantage of the trellis, some of my 2nd year raspberries have grown out enough to reach the bottom row of cables, but not taking hold as good as the blackberries just year. Last year I got about a pint of berries, all year, in their first year. Right now I'm picking about a pint a day. Planted lots of varieties, so should have some berries ripening pretty much all season long.
I use copper wire and glass insulators because I worked at an electric utility and had large cedar poles but I need 5 foot cross arms and 3 more screw in anchors so I can have the copper wire be fiddle string tight. It will look like one of the lines I worked on. Only 6 feet tall though instead of 40’. Great video! Thanks
Great design. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the reminder. I need to take the bush hog and go pick some wild black berries!
I would love to see how the berries are trellised on these
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Thanks for watching it Jimmey!
Great explanation and video. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
After having it up for a number of months do you still feel it was necessary to run each section of each cable individually or could you run a single cable the full length with a single turn buckle per cable at each end (meaning 4 turn buckles total vs 4 turnbuckles per section?
Jeremy, thanks for your question. Couple answers to it... 1st, I used stainless hardware, overkill, and $$$$$$ when you count up that many turnbuckles. My theory was that if I terminated the cables at each post, then each post would carry the load vs just the end posts. And to a degree that is true. I now believe you could just run it all the way through and achieve the same results with a single cable, but it will put more load on the two end poles if you have a long line, center poles will carry a vertical load, end poles will carry a vertical load and 100% of the horizontal load exerted on the cable. If your end poles are imbedded well, or they are tied back (guyed) should be no issues with a through-cable set up. With separate cable sections, the center poles horizontal load is cancelled out by the cable pulling on the opposite side, so maximum horizontal load for any pole (the end pole) is 1/2 of the load for that one span. I think I over thought it. The set up in my opinion that I have is more than beefy enough to support it with through-cable design. I could have saved some time... and a lot of money. I hope this helps you and your decision. Looking forward to a lot more berries this year (year #2).
@@TryNewThings Thanks for the response...I was hoping that was what you would say. I’m gonna try the through-cable option. I have a few galvanized turn buckles from another project that I plan to incorporate. Thanks again for the video, ideas and quick response - this is what makes the community great! Best of luck with your crop!
how far apart did you space yhe posts?
Hey Don, I set mine up 20’ apart. For that much of a span may want to ensure your posts are well embedded fairly deep.
At 2:00 I can hear Tim Allen grunting arrrhhhh arrrh arrhhh
LOL, thanks Michael. May not have been the 'best' tool for the job, but was the most 'fun' tool for the job!!! Appreciate you taking the time to leave some feedback.
It was a very nice video and thank you for creating it! I built a straight 3-wire trellis for my blackberries, but I’m thinking about converting to a Vee-style because of the vigorous growth. If you had to do it all over again, would you change any of the dimensions?
If I were to do it again (and I'm very much thinking about adding two more rows next year), there are a couple changes I would make. And I will likely still make this first one .... 1. I'd pull in the cables about 3-4" closer to the poles. My "V" does not need to be that wide, and I think tying them up 'straighter' would be better for mowing, trimming, etc. 2. The biggest change I would make is just run single cables through the center horizontals, having just one turn buckle at the end of each line. Save a lot of $ on hardware. 3. I'd stick with stainless cable, but would likely go with galvanized eye hooks etc in the future, again to save some money. But that is about it, this is year #2 for my blackberries and raspberries, the blackberries are taking off like crazy and taking full advantage of the trellis, some of my 2nd year raspberries have grown out enough to reach the bottom row of cables, but not taking hold as good as the blackberries just year. Last year I got about a pint of berries, all year, in their first year. Right now I'm picking about a pint a day. Planted lots of varieties, so should have some berries ripening pretty much all season long.
I use copper wire and glass insulators because I worked at an electric utility and had large cedar poles but I need 5 foot cross arms and 3 more screw in anchors so I can have the copper wire be fiddle string tight. It will look like one of the lines I worked on. Only 6 feet tall though instead of 40’. Great video! Thanks