As a bad eyesight haver, it's important to point out color shifting through corrective lenses. It's a property of physics and not cheap versus good optics. Through my glasses, green shifts less than red. Look at a gas station sign with green and red price lights. Keep your eyes focused on a point between them and turn your head side to side and up and down. You'll see that the red and green shift at different ratios, and for me, in different directions. That's important when deciding which color to pick up. I laugh when someone's showing off a dot optic and says it's parallax free and it doesnt shift with corrective lenses. Well, the edge of my glasses are bullet proof and the center is less than half that thickness, so there's going to be a major difference in the color shifting through the different thickness of material.
Holy crap this is awesome. I started using holosun as my first dot sight because I could see the green better than red but couldn’t figure out why, I just thought it was me.
The depiction of the ACSS is misleading. It made it look similar to the circle dot reticle. You won’t see the huge outer circle when the aiming chevron or dot is visible. You only see the part of the circle you need to tilt the gun towards to bring to the chevron or dot to the center. This is the reticle I recommend for people who can’t or won’t put the time in to build muscle memory like older shooters. It also excels at shooting when you are out of the normal flat range perfect position.
Exactly. I've been using an HE509 ACSS on a Glock 17 MOS for some time now. 99% of the time the outer ring isn't needed and I have considered turning it off to save on battery life. But then there is that one draw every once in a while where your grip just isn't perfect or where you are shooting under a VTAC barricade in full kit and your position behind the gun is all messed up and suddenly that ring becomes a life saver again. The chevron also combines the precision of a 1 MOA dot with the speed of a 10 MOA dot. If you have the time and need the precision, use the point of the chevron. If you need speed, just put the entire giant chevron on your target and you are good to go. But that isn't something you learn in an hour on the range handling the optic for the first time. It takes some getting used to.
@@TheBigOne0305 thank you for the further clarification of this reticle. I send the “Tactical Rifleman” videos on the ACSS Vulcan to people that ask what reticle to get.
@@TheBigOne0305 The 507K version, which was also in the video, is the same way. However, it replaces the chevron with a simple dot (1 or 2 moa, I think) and turns the solid outer circle into a dashed-line outer circle, which noticeably improves battery life. I highly recommend it if you're looking for something that fits the shield footprint.
So I do really love the vulcan concept, but my issue is with the ACSS reticle (chevron). Even with my glasses on, I see basically two different chevrons, and I don't get this issue with dots. Without my glasses, dots are basically a starburst, but even with my prescription glasses on the chevron is not crisp at all for me. Kinda sucky, but wanted to let others know who may experience this same issue.
I'm a big fan of the dot with 32moa ring. For some people it's clutter but doesn't bother me at all. I can quickly see it and get the dot on target, the ring helps me catch the dot right away and I use the bottom notch on the ring for everything shorter than 10 yards with my 25 yard zero.
So I got an ACSS Vulcan for my brother who is a newbie shooter and while gear is nothing without training (which I know he's not going to put in the necessary time in) I wanted to give him every advantage he can get. However, I have astigmatism and I was surprised to see how big the chevron reticle was and it isn't crisp as a 2moa dot (granted it's a starburst to my eyes, but I can work with it). I believe the ACSS Vulcan is still effective, but those with astigmatism need to be aware that the chevron may not be visually sharp as they hoped for depending on the severity of their eye site.
@@jeremiahbishop6322 Never had problems with Holosun, I ran for my own personal gear for over 6 years and seems to hold zero just fine. I guess it depends what you are looking for in an optic.
Enjoyed this a bunch! Thanks for the comparison + humor approach. Looks like that 32rd “fun stick” adds to the recoil rocking! I am waiting for Holosun to come out with a duck-shaped reticle, or maybe a groundhog? 😂 (I like the MRS for now). I agree w Paul’s comment on Mission-oriented context. Various sizes and features are going to have strengths and weaknesses depending on shooter and scenario. That’s why I have so many guns and RDS optics, LOL. The “grab it voting method” was quick and fun! How about glass clarity? Did you notice any differences?
So well said and glad you enjoyed the video! Really appreciate your feedback it's super great to hear. Glass clarity! Great point. Honestly nothing jumped out at us so all the glass was clear. The only thing I personally noticed was the 507C ACSS Vulcan had a little distortion at the top but Mark is checking it against another 507C to see if that is normal or not.
I loved the video. But everyone had their preference. Which reigns supreme for running and gunning? I also noticed that the 509T closed emitter wasn't present.
@@freedomgorilla1 thanks! And do you know can I put the 507k ACSS on a shield plus performance center 3.1 barrel? Thanks again, your website is super helpful with red dot info btw
@@Gwillis7 It fits on anything that has the Shield RMSc footprint. That is basically everything considered to be a "microcompact," but you should check to make sure.
@@Gwillis7 do more research man, just google it. I easily found how much of a nightmare it is to mount anything holosun on the Shield Plus specifically. Its shield plus problem...not holosun issue.
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I don't understand how experienced Shooters with dots could ever have problems instantly finding the dot or keeping the dot in the window during recoil because I only started using dot Optics less than 2 months ago and I use a 407k on a Hellcat, and after watching some training videos for beginner dot users and learning how to bring the handgun up and in front of me from the draw and I have almost never had a problem having the dot instantly be in my window when I get the gun in front of me and even with my Hellcat the dot stays in the window and on target the whole time. If it is that easy for me why is it hard for other more experienced shooters? I just find it very bizarre hearing any experience shooter talk about having any trouble at all finding the dot 😕
I've been using three different types of Holosun's , First ; 43x 507k on dove tail adapter plate even with alot of practice it's still hard to find quickly. Second ; G-45 507C ACSS on D.T. adapter plate eazy and fast . Third ; G-19 EPS MRS almost co-wittnesses w/factory sights eazy and fast , sits on adapter with MOS factor cut . The 43x needs Milled and I'd get the 507k ACSS on it . The G-45 needs Milled and I'll keep the 507C ACSS on it . The G-19 I'll get taller iron sights and it will be true co-wittness . Take alot of time and money to get the setup right.
The way Holosun made a quality glass, ill be happy to the most less expensive red dot for 🔫 pistol . If you can hit targets with iron sights alone, a small inexpensive glass from holosun is more than enough
If u have really bad eyes like she said... the shape of that chevron wont matter shes just gona shoot the color of what ever is in the middle she wont be able to see the tip
It does when shooting fast. Big window is easier to keep the dot in view or when drawing or transitioning if not indexed correctly you can lose the dot and blow time trying to get back on target. SRO is most superior in my opinion as I'd rather have height than width.
@@920WASHBURN It helps with dot acquisition, too. Yes, I'm sure everyone I talk to on the internet perfectly acquires their dot every single time, without fail. I'm just a guy that shoots guns, though, so I don't flawlessly execute a perfect draw and presentation every single time and having a large window helps with that, too. Those ACSS reticles on the 507K and 507C remedy that issue quite nicely, though. As well as the issue of losing track of the dot. I've used both a fair amount and highly recommend them. The K is smaller and has better battery life than the C and is easily the correct pick for a carry piece. For the range, the biggest question to decide between them would be whether you like a dot or the chevron. Window size would, in fact, be the last consideration, imo. With those two dots. On the other hand, I've never used anything that lets me feel as confident and fast as a 1-moa SRO makes me feel.
CRS? Can't Remember Sh!t??? Tell ya what, at home I have 24", 28", 30" and 32" windows. I'll shoot through all of them and let you know how size effects my shooting. Nah. That's just silly. So is your testing methodology. If you want it to mean something use the scientific method. Change ONE variable and one variable only and test for THAT. The way you're doing it no one knows if it was the gun, the chevron, the window or the shooter. (or the range for that matter). This may be fun for you and an excuse to pop some primers but to the end of finding 'which is better', its a total fail.
Holosun needs to fire whoever names their sights. There's no rhyme or reason to it. The 507 k looks nothing like the 507 whatever.... Im buying another brand cause I don't have time to cipher through the bs
Why you so mad?? I’ve had a 510c on my rifle for over 4 years with several thousand rounds fired with it. No issues, still dead nuts zeroed at 50 yards. Maybe you just got a lemon?
maybe learn how to shoot first smh....recoil management is horrible honestly psychologically nothing will matter its just a point of reference to focus on....why is the competition shooter not showing skill and recoil mangement to someone before you pick a dot irons shoudnt flip but to a minimal degree so should never leave the window anyway....true a small point of reference will bring more precise shots but only so much when a real situtation presents itself the ocular oclusion youll have from stress will negate a small dot and the circle dot or larger dot will be better and thats why the USPCA guy liked that if the outer circle is on the target and you do everything else right youll hit close enough....
As a bad eyesight haver, it's important to point out color shifting through corrective lenses. It's a property of physics and not cheap versus good optics. Through my glasses, green shifts less than red. Look at a gas station sign with green and red price lights. Keep your eyes focused on a point between them and turn your head side to side and up and down. You'll see that the red and green shift at different ratios, and for me, in different directions. That's important when deciding which color to pick up. I laugh when someone's showing off a dot optic and says it's parallax free and it doesnt shift with corrective lenses. Well, the edge of my glasses are bullet proof and the center is less than half that thickness, so there's going to be a major difference in the color shifting through the different thickness of material.
Holy crap this is awesome. I started using holosun as my first dot sight because I could see the green better than red but couldn’t figure out why, I just thought it was me.
The depiction of the ACSS is misleading. It made it look similar to the circle dot reticle. You won’t see the huge outer circle when the aiming chevron or dot is visible. You only see the part of the circle you need to tilt the gun towards to bring to the chevron or dot to the center. This is the reticle I recommend for people who can’t or won’t put the time in to build muscle memory like older shooters. It also excels at shooting when you are out of the normal flat range perfect position.
Exactly. I've been using an HE509 ACSS on a Glock 17 MOS for some time now. 99% of the time the outer ring isn't needed and I have considered turning it off to save on battery life. But then there is that one draw every once in a while where your grip just isn't perfect or where you are shooting under a VTAC barricade in full kit and your position behind the gun is all messed up and suddenly that ring becomes a life saver again.
The chevron also combines the precision of a 1 MOA dot with the speed of a 10 MOA dot. If you have the time and need the precision, use the point of the chevron. If you need speed, just put the entire giant chevron on your target and you are good to go.
But that isn't something you learn in an hour on the range handling the optic for the first time. It takes some getting used to.
@@TheBigOne0305 thank you for the further clarification of this reticle. I send the “Tactical Rifleman” videos on the ACSS Vulcan to people that ask what reticle to get.
@@TheBigOne0305 The 507K version, which was also in the video, is the same way. However, it replaces the chevron with a simple dot (1 or 2 moa, I think) and turns the solid outer circle into a dashed-line outer circle, which noticeably improves battery life. I highly recommend it if you're looking for something that fits the shield footprint.
So I do really love the vulcan concept, but my issue is with the ACSS reticle (chevron). Even with my glasses on, I see basically two different chevrons, and I don't get this issue with dots. Without my glasses, dots are basically a starburst, but even with my prescription glasses on the chevron is not crisp at all for me. Kinda sucky, but wanted to let others know who may experience this same issue.
thank you
It would be cool to do this again in a competition format. Accuracy, speed etc while keeping score for each optic
Great idea
I'm a big fan of the dot with 32moa ring. For some people it's clutter but doesn't bother me at all. I can quickly see it and get the dot on target, the ring helps me catch the dot right away and I use the bottom notch on the ring for everything shorter than 10 yards with my 25 yard zero.
So I got an ACSS Vulcan for my brother who is a newbie shooter and while gear is nothing without training (which I know he's not going to put in the necessary time in) I wanted to give him every advantage he can get. However, I have astigmatism and I was surprised to see how big the chevron reticle was and it isn't crisp as a 2moa dot (granted it's a starburst to my eyes, but I can work with it). I believe the ACSS Vulcan is still effective, but those with astigmatism need to be aware that the chevron may not be visually sharp as they hoped for depending on the severity of their eye site.
Too bad his gear is trash as well since you bought a holosun... doesn't hold zero
@@jeremiahbishop6322 Never had problems with Holosun, I ran for my own personal gear for over 6 years and seems to hold zero just fine. I guess it depends what you are looking for in an optic.
@@jeremiahbishop6322false. holosun is good. Holding zero just fine for me.
I just picked up the Echelon with the 507COMP. Phenomenal pairing
Does the 507 COMP completely fill the cut out on the slide for a red dot on the Echelon
“We can’t get our hands on it”
As he’s holding it up to the camera🤣
I know it's far fetched, but how about different optics on the same gun?
ACSS Vulcan is far superior to all of them, those in the know, know. Try moving and shooting with including alternate firing positions
Nice good feedback for sure!
😂 Paul blart over here
What color u rockin!?
@@oklahomasooner7686 always red personally
Ben Stoeger thinks otherwise.
Glad I came across this vid! U guys look a very fun group of guys! Definitely be checking out the website. Thanks for all the comparisons vids!
Thanks a a lot! We really appreciate it and are happy to have you here!
Enjoyed this a bunch! Thanks for the comparison + humor approach. Looks like that 32rd “fun stick” adds to the recoil rocking! I am waiting for Holosun to come out with a duck-shaped reticle, or maybe a groundhog? 😂 (I like the MRS for now). I agree w Paul’s comment on Mission-oriented context. Various sizes and features are going to have strengths and weaknesses depending on shooter and scenario. That’s why I have so many guns and RDS optics, LOL. The “grab it voting method” was quick and fun! How about glass clarity? Did you notice any differences?
So well said and glad you enjoyed the video! Really appreciate your feedback it's super great to hear. Glass clarity! Great point. Honestly nothing jumped out at us so all the glass was clear. The only thing I personally noticed was the 507C ACSS Vulcan had a little distortion at the top but Mark is checking it against another 507C to see if that is normal or not.
I loved the video. But everyone had their preference. Which reigns supreme for running and gunning? I also noticed that the 509T closed emitter wasn't present.
The dagger had crazy recoil i hope it was a .45
Meanwhile I'm running 2 discontinued 407COs with the 8MOA circle and I love it! I wish Holosun would've kept it in production.
Great editing during shooting montage
I run a few holosuns but my fav so far is the 510t, durability is solid and closed emitters are a preferred of mine.
Just bought a 497c for a Sig Sauer Full Size Legion. What plate do I need to make 407C fit on the P226 Legion full size?
So is the 507K ACSS considered a small or medium window?
It’s a smaller window than the C series, but same size window as the 407k and EPS Carry
@@freedomgorilla1 thanks!
And do you know can I put the 507k ACSS on a shield plus performance center 3.1 barrel?
Thanks again, your website is super helpful with red dot info btw
@@Gwillis7 It fits on anything that has the Shield RMSc footprint. That is basically everything considered to be a "microcompact," but you should check to make sure.
@Gwillis7 yes. 507k is for shield
@@Gwillis7 do more research man, just google it. I easily found how much of a nightmare it is to mount anything holosun on the Shield Plus specifically. Its shield plus problem...not holosun issue.
John Oats is a Freedom fighter when he's not touring? awesome
Helpful video! Thanks for posting!
Im surprised no one has said anything about the camera mans grip! Great video. Looking for new optic
Very helpful thank you!
what gun was Amber shooting at 3.42 i couldn't make it out
Sig p322 with the 407k
@ 0:34 I'm gonna guess it's a Saab 9-7x.
The tailights were tricky, look like they're from an Oldsmobile Bravada.
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I don't understand how experienced Shooters with dots could ever have problems instantly finding the dot or keeping the dot in the window during recoil because I only started using dot Optics less than 2 months ago and I use a 407k on a Hellcat, and after watching some training videos for beginner dot users and learning how to bring the handgun up and in front of me from the draw and I have almost never had a problem having the dot instantly be in my window when I get the gun in front of me and even with my Hellcat the dot stays in the window and on target the whole time. If it is that easy for me why is it hard for other more experienced shooters? I just find it very bizarre hearing any experience shooter talk about having any trouble at all finding the dot 😕
Try laying on your side, or shooting sideways or with your opposite hand. It becomes more difficult
For the ago……great video!
I've been using three different types of Holosun's , First ; 43x 507k on dove tail adapter plate even with alot of practice it's still hard to find quickly. Second ; G-45 507C ACSS on D.T. adapter plate eazy and fast . Third ; G-19 EPS MRS almost co-wittnesses w/factory sights eazy and fast , sits on adapter with MOS factor cut . The 43x needs Milled and I'd get the 507k ACSS on it . The G-45 needs Milled and I'll keep the 507C ACSS on it . The G-19 I'll get taller iron sights and it will be true co-wittness . Take alot of time and money to get the setup right.
Thx for the info. Very helpful and yep it’s a process of you want it dialed in perfectly
The gun that the biggest holosun was on was sooooo snappy
I'm hoping the SCS Carry is available soon.
We are getting more in this week
We are getting more in this week
We are getting more in this week
These guys are remarkable
Out of all of these what will fit my g48 mos
The smaller K series footprint optics, but you will need an adapter plate
The way Holosun made a quality glass, ill be happy to the most less expensive red dot for 🔫 pistol .
If you can hit targets with iron sights alone, a small inexpensive glass from holosun is more than enough
English.
Which is tastes to find from draw ?
I would have expected Trijicon would have expanded model availability with the Gold/Amber Triangle Reticle, BUT, NO 🤔🤨😕😮💨
Should of done it from a draw so you can actually see what is faster..... if ur already aiming its gona be the same.......
good info
No disrespect to your knowledge of optics or firearms but I noticed some of y’all had poor recoil control but all of you are still awesome
Good Vid!
gunna see if size matters, three guys one girl lolll... great review!
lol thank you! Very glad you enjoyed it
If u have really bad eyes like she said... the shape of that chevron wont matter shes just gona shoot the color of what ever is in the middle she wont be able to see the tip
I dont think window size matters. Youre not supposed to look through it like a windshield. Good video though. I enjoyed it
Thank u!
It does when shooting fast. Big window is easier to keep the dot in view or when drawing or transitioning if not indexed correctly you can lose the dot and blow time trying to get back on target. SRO is most superior in my opinion as I'd rather have height than width.
@@classicmicrosystems valid point
@@920WASHBURN It helps with dot acquisition, too. Yes, I'm sure everyone I talk to on the internet perfectly acquires their dot every single time, without fail. I'm just a guy that shoots guns, though, so I don't flawlessly execute a perfect draw and presentation every single time and having a large window helps with that, too.
Those ACSS reticles on the 507K and 507C remedy that issue quite nicely, though. As well as the issue of losing track of the dot. I've used both a fair amount and highly recommend them. The K is smaller and has better battery life than the C and is easily the correct pick for a carry piece. For the range, the biggest question to decide between them would be whether you like a dot or the chevron. Window size would, in fact, be the last consideration, imo. With those two dots.
On the other hand, I've never used anything that lets me feel as confident and fast as a 1-moa SRO makes me feel.
Which optic did Amber pick?
The ACSS Vulcan 507c
For someone who looks like he works out your grip strength could use work. I would expect you to be able to control muzzle flip better.
Still cant decide smh😂
Bigger is better. That's what she said.
Bro your info videos destroys other channels doing the same more information and to the point with pros cons and personal reasons that is relevant.
Thank you so much that means a lot! We’ll be doing more of these types soon!
CRS? Can't Remember Sh!t??? Tell ya what, at home I have 24", 28", 30" and 32" windows. I'll shoot through all of them and let you know how size effects my shooting. Nah. That's just silly. So is your testing methodology.
If you want it to mean something use the scientific method. Change ONE variable and one variable only and test for THAT. The way you're doing it no one knows if it was the gun, the chevron, the window or the shooter. (or the range for that matter).
This may be fun for you and an excuse to pop some primers but to the end of finding 'which is better', its a total fail.
Holosun needs to fire whoever names their sights.
There's no rhyme or reason to it.
The 507 k looks nothing like the 507 whatever....
Im buying another brand cause I don't have time to cipher through the bs
Dodge durango
Nope! But good guess
WTF is the deal with the giant captions on the screen? Are you afraid that your audience can't understand you and that they have very poor vision?
We can do without the juvenile profanity. We can hear that in any middle school hallway.
None holosuns are all trash.
Why you so mad?? I’ve had a 510c on my rifle for over 4 years with several thousand rounds fired with it. No issues, still dead nuts zeroed at 50 yards. Maybe you just got a lemon?
Fud
maybe learn how to shoot first smh....recoil management is horrible honestly psychologically nothing will matter its just a point of reference to focus on....why is the competition shooter not showing skill and recoil mangement to someone before you pick a dot irons shoudnt flip but to a minimal degree so should never leave the window anyway....true a small point of reference will bring more precise shots but only so much when a real situtation presents itself the ocular oclusion youll have from stress will negate a small dot and the circle dot or larger dot will be better and thats why the USPCA guy liked that if the outer circle is on the target and you do everything else right youll hit close enough....