WARNING 12v Breakers Could Cost You Your Life
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มี.ค. 2022
- Fitting these 12v breakers into your campervan could cost you your van and even worse an electrical fault could cause a fire and cost you your life.
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If you have these electrical breakers fitted into your van then remove them right away before you have an electrical problem. The breakers just don't work and dedicated fuses are the only way to keep you and your campervan safe
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Hi again thanks for the reply just a thought I don't know why I never thought of it before. But being an electrician I know there are DC breakers out there from well known companies, and they trip at what it says on the lid plus a short term delay of 10%. They are not cheap, but what price on one's life. They look exactly like the CB you have in your house.
Interesting piece of information, thank you, we love when people share useful ideas and information for the community 😀
I've got a pretty good knowledge of DC electrics and I could not follow anything they said. Its like I'm watching drunks rambling.
Drs for you then mate get them lug holes checked they may be full of your own bull
It's great that your showing others about the safety of the electric in your van. Love to see the work on that blue van too. All the best to both of you
Thank you Brownie, we like to share what we learn, even if it helps one person then it’s worth while!!! We can’t wait to get stuck into the blue van again!!! We have organised our work itinerary and we are about to go go go!!! Thanks again 🙂🙂
Thankyou for highlighting the dangers of cheap electrics I own a commercial vehicle parts company and I have lost count the amount of times I've told customers to buy from bonifide companies. Your proper motor factors may be a bit more expensive but they can source all of their products back to factory and any product advice/problem solving that goes with the product. A welcome video.
Very sound advise, totally agree with what you have told your customers, safety is more important than saving a few pennies!! Thanks for watching
I love you guys! I was thinking of getting those fuses and I am so glad that I saw this video! You just may have saved my life! I’ll stick to ANL fuses from now on. Thank you!! Hope you guys are doing well. A solar fan, Alfie
we are very well thanks Alfie, safety first when it comes to electrics!
Older video, but fuse: Determine max sustained load, then multiply by 1.35 to get the fuse required, then use a slow blow, this is your fail safe. then circuit breaker multiply by 1.15, as you want the CB to pop first, but should it fail the fuse isolates the circuit.
Brilliant vlog both. Very important indeed. Heard a lot of people having electric fires and other issues with there electric. Look forward to seeing what you get up to with the transit. Can't wait. Take care both, all the best X
Thank you Asa, we can’t wait to get back stuck into the transit, it’s been far too long, but it will be all systems go from now on!! Thanks again 😄😄
@@UrbanVanlife I've got a baby transit so be well interesting. All the best 👍
Hi to both of you and thanks for the information about those breakers as I'm starting to do my van conversion I was thinking about using them but after seeing the video I now know witch fuses to use in my van many thanks Bryan 👍👍👍
Remember that loads of electronics, inverters especially, have huge banks of capacitors. That means that the input will remain at the supply voltage even after the power is disconnected. It's worth grounding out supplies if you really want to check if a breaker is broken.
Yer it dose hold a big amount . But massively safer with a fuse . Them trips are just not good enough
Very well said. I had these installed about a year ago and they kept failing, thought maybe I was being too heavy handed with them, when through a few before I decided they were utter brown plopage. Like your good selves I changed them for those very items you now have. My system is tiny compared to your outfit so I’ve plumped for the 30a, 40a and 50a fuses..and uprated the cables to boot ..shouldn’t need much more than that, but I feel that my pride and joy won’t burn overnight and will provide me many more years of safe loyal service. Thanks for making others aware.
Thanks for watching simon and yer I couldn’t agree more . We spend so much time abs money on vans and for some thing as simple as a fuse . Which is ment to stop disaster to then cause it man it would be heart breaking . Thanks for the comment bud
Great video with a serious message, but you guys make it fun to watch. As said when it comes to safety, don't go cheap.
Looking forward to the van build.
Thanks Paul, definitely better spending the extra on quality products rather than cheap ones as it could just save your van or your life!!! We are looking forward to getting stuck into the transit build, thanks again 🙂
Well done for highlighting this problem. I've been telling people for ages that these are deadly Chinese Junk that can burn down your car/boat/van/motorhome.
Thanks Andrew, we just felt it was important to share what we had learnt, if it helps just one person then it’s worth sharing! Thanks for watching
There are two types of fuses in relation to speed Slow-Blow Fuse vs Fast-Blow Fuse. A fast blow fuse should immediately cut the power if the current is above the rate value. A slow blow fuse will alow current above the rating for some time and when it gets hit enough it will blow. The reason slow blow fuses exist is that you often have a higher initial current that then drops. Chagin up capacitors, staring electrical motors will result in a higher initial current. How long it takes a slow blow fuse to cut the power will depend on the current above the listed rating and to a lesser degree the temperature. The time can be many
If you look at mega and midi link fuses on 12voltplanet you will find the following text in the description "Current ratings shown are the continuous ratings." so they are slow blow fuses. The fuse tested 2:30 is likely also a slow blow fuse. It is stating the current is 107 amp and 5 seconds later states it is 175 amp and the fuse cut the power. That is a behavior that is expected for a fuse like that.
You can download the datasheet of the MTA fuses that 12voltplanet sell from the manufacturer and in a PDF called MTA_megaVAL_Technical_Data_Sheet_v01.pdf there is a graph for the melting time at 23 C temperature and 150 amp fuse should take around 300 seconds = 5 minutes to blow at 200amp, it is a bit hard to read in the log-log graph. For a 1 second blow time, you need 700 amp according to the graph.
So the tested cheap eBay fuse was a lot faster than the brand name MTA fuses, there can also be some large in the amp measurement so the current was higher. So if you test fuses look but how they should behave according to the manufacturer.
The 50 amp breaker shown in the video might work as designed when it requires 3x the current for a short time. I have not looked at the datasheets. But if they fail so there is a connection between the different ends when you trip they should not be used. I am not sure the voltage mess arent you did show what you think it showed. The inverter will have large input capacitors that will take some time to drain. If the inverter is off it could be in minutes. When you measure the voltage the current through the voltmeter is very low so even within connected the voltage might remain high.
So it would be interesting if you measure the resistance over the breaker now when they are removed to see if it is shorted when it is open
I did manage to find a datasheet for some similar thermal circuit breakers similar to the one in the video. There were two graphs for different models of breaker and thrip tome of one at 3x the current is at around 5s for both but at 2x the current it is 10 seconds for one and 20 seconds for the other type. There was no clear time in the video of the rest so it is very hard to say if they work as designed or not.
So all tested switches might work as designed in regards to how fast the turn of at high current. It is impossible to tell from the show test in this video. What is still an interesting question is did the one that you use for the inverter fail so there was a short trough it even when you tripped the switch or not.
Thanks for the reply bud . I don’t think many will read data sheets cos most people don’t get it . But the point of the video was to just state these are crap and these are acceptable . Thanks for the detail hope it helps people
@@UrbanVanlife What I am unsure about is why u felt the original were crap and the replacements were not, whats the differences, and did you test multiple units of the same type and compare those to identify whether it was part of a bad batch etc also did you test the new ones as a direct comparison? Cheers!
yeah you would fit a slow blow one on an inductive load like a motor or transformer I'd say. In a house these would be type c or even a d type breaker.
@Peter G I think the major problem here is that you have two people here doing videos on electrics with no understanding or skill I can't believe have the arrogance to believe electrical videos are OK to make by an unskilled person with the risk involved.
That’s much needed info out there now about them switches!
Hopefully people take note!
Hopefully, it’s always better to be safe than sorry as the saying goes!!! Thanks matey😊
Well done on highlighting the problem with the breakers , I will be testing and changing mine , I would suggest you check your cable sizes so that they are rated for your fuse sizes
Thanks for the suggestion as it could help a lot of people, ours are all good for the fuses we have as we have also checked them!
Great safety vlog , always so thorough. Love love love my merchandise thank you sooooo much xxx
Aaaaawwww it’s the lovely Sue!!! Glad you like the merchandise, thank you, massive hugs from us to you xxx
Thank you for the information.
Great video and will defo be checking breakers etc just a bit of advice do you use sites and which club would you recommend for a motorhome thanks Chris &sheila
We are in the caravan and camping club and there great . All the sites are lovely abs there nice people who run them as well . Allwsys super maintained and clean
Will be checking & changing ours for sure. Top video 👍
Thanks guys! Better to check and be able to sort it out than not know!! 🙂
@@UrbanVanlife Definately, going to re-check it all as we're moving into the van full time next week 👍
Awesome ,great info, thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching
Hi Neil. Thank you for the video it's better to be safe than sorry. I had 4 of those breakers in and have just purchased the others you recommend to change them . I have a victron MPPT 75/15 what size fuse would you fit and what size cables would you recommend putting in as the terminals are small. Any suggestions would be helpful . Cheers mate
I’d go for no less than 16mm cable mate then for the fuse work out cable length and total max amps then add a little on 5amp or so
@@UrbanVanlife okay thank you very much Neil. Much appreciated mate
Just in time, installing my 12v now🙈thank you 🙏👍
Thanks for watching buddy and it’s always good to check what you are installing!!! Happy electrical installing!!!
Nice job! Thanks very much. I'm just building my van system in California. I'm gonna make a point of checking all the trip switches and change them as needed. - You two are a blast! (I've been 32 years in Los Angeles now and only get a dose of Liverpool humour when my sisters visit). Stay cute! thanks again.
Asaawwww Bernadette, thank you for the lovely comment!!! How amazing you live in LA 🤩🤩
I bet the humour is very different though 😂😂
Good luck with the van system and thanks for watching, massive hugs from Emma … oh and Neil I suppose (my hugs are cuter tho) xx
A very timely vlog. I was about to swap my 100A fuse in the engine bay for a breaker for the split charger - I certainly won't be now! I'll stick to removing the battery terminal!
fit a DC switch ? i have a fuse and a decent DC switch on the feed to my BtoB :)
Lol still get a fuse on it buddy just incase . Just for when it’s connected and may me a 2 way swich to save you disconnecting it . Just swich it off
Thanks for sharing 💥glad that you didn’t use the two wet fingers method to test if it had power looking forward to another great video on the blue Van👍
Ha ha we both remember that safety test from our dad’s!! Luckily things have moved forward!! We are looking forward to getting stuck back into the blue van, it’s been long over due 😃😃
I dunno?
there's certainly a place for the 2 wet fingers test ;)
Nice vid. Good info. but...umm....what about those exposed battery posts?
Not exposed when the cover goes on
Have to admit neil i had my suspicions of those trip breakers when i fitted a 200amp braker to my system, and my kreiger 2000w inverter was destroyed. this confirms it was actually that breaker and will be buying those you recommended. thanks :)
Crazy how these can be sold mate that’s the shocking thing . But hey we all know now buddy and I think by reading the comments it was some thing a lot of people didn’t know so I’m super happy we could help people . Thanks for watching bud
Just wondering what were the circumstances of your inverter getting fried? Cheers, Phil.
Will be checking & changing ours for sure. Top video
Thanks all ordered
Thanks paul, better to be safe than sorry!
Awesome!
Thank you for making this video highlighting the dangers on the fuses breakers :( the other ones definitely great. I’m lucky I have the ones you replace with already in my van :)
Nope I don’t have a compressor in my van :)
Love to see your new build :)
Oh mate there just shocking arnt they . Hope your well buddy and we will see you soon in a big old feild
@@UrbanVanlife hopefully but possibly the only field this year be the big picnic one. After finding my mistake I made with my insulation in 2019 in the roof the van looks like from the beginning all the roof down lockers and wall.
Slowly going back up. Learn by your mistakes, all because I used a craft spray adisive not the heated ones you should use :( hopefully she’s ready for overland show in June. :( those switches look horrible. Been lucky when I bought my fuse box like you have they supplied the ones you bought in the kit :)
Great video! you saved me from having to change them later. You have a 200W fuse on the inverter, How do you know what size to use? Thanks!
Check the manufacturers specifications, as every inverter should come with them!
Great info,thanks so much.
Hopefully it will just bring some awareness to people and help keep people safer!!
OMG. . . Very INFORMATIVE & SAFE Vlog. . . Glad I Follow you. .got my Multi meter out now. . Reckon most van Folk should test their's too
Thanks Bobby, good luck with the testing, here’s hoping yours are all safe!!!
Thanks Neil for the link to this video, does this mean that the fuses that come with the Durite kit will need changing, thanks again
It would depend on what fuses you have and where they are sourced from, as we don’t have that information we couldn’t give you a correct answer, if you trust that it’s from a reputable company we would say trust your instincts but it’s a hard one to call
That’s a great sticker on the left hand door, just above the new exPAWers one.
Thanks for putting this up. I had a switch fail. Cheap rubbish. So I was going to replace it with one of the contact breakers. ‘Spose it’ll be a mega fuse and a proper switch like what you’ve got and should have put in the van, in the first place.👍 Did I say, I liked that sticker. All the best. Trotter
Hello young man, you are correct it is a fabulous sticker indeed!!! Hope you are keeping well!! Big hugs from Emma xx
Sound advice, thanks. 👍🏻
Thanks Pete, always better to be safe than sorry!
Hi Neil and Emma, been watching your vids for a while now. Boss to see you dusting the cobwebs off the Custom! I have a quick question on this, I have a 2016 Custom and currently converting. I’ve all my electrics under the passenger seat. I have ordered a swivel base without considering the electrics, now wondering if they would still work together. Do you have any advice on this, is it possible AT ALL to make this work even with a bit of jigery pokery..??? I’ve ordered the same base as you installed on yours… ta! x
Ohhhh that’s propper tricky one that mate . With how the seat base goes on the crafter I can’t see a way how this could be done with the whole seat swivelling . If the top seat section span then it would be fine but it dosnt the whole thing dose . May be just use that section for storage and move the electrics to another section of the van . Massive pain I know but I have thought about this for a few hrs now after emma mentioned your comment . And I can’t see a way . It would have to be moved or no seat base unfortunately . Sorry I could help mate
@@UrbanVanlife nice one for the reply mate. It’s exactly what I thought, but know how nifty you are with bodging stuff in so thought you’d defo be the fella to ask! 😂 I’ll get the base in anyway, then see where I am. Swivel seat in this size van is a must imo best way to use the space. Again, nice one mate and might see you down the road..!!
It always amazes me how people spend a fortune on solar panels, batteries and inverters, but then “go cheap” on their cables and protection.
IMO a breaker (if it works) is a means to occasionally disconnect something whilst you work on it. A fuse (and one from a reputable supplier!) is what you use as protection for any short circuits.
A 100Amp fuse should be able to comfortably carry 100A, and any over current then becomes a time vs excess relationship. Thankfully most failures result in massive over current situations that quickly blows the fuse. Yes it’s a pain when you are replacing a fuse rather than resetting a trip, but far better than needing a fire extinguisher.
Thanks for bringing this to peoples attention, even 12v can kill in ways that don’t involve electrocution.
Bang on there chap :(
all breakers have a trip delay curve so are actually designed to take at least double the rated amps BUT only for a short time (20 seconds or so), if they didn't they would trip too early but they should trip in seconds not just sit there smoking !!
check out blue sea or bussman industries for propper breakers with a full spec sheet and a long history in the marine enviroment.
They do cost, £50 upwards but if you need a breaker rather than a fuse i'd recomend them otherwise as you say mega fuse will literaly do, the intended job !
TOTALY agree mate and we are like you seen on the video that exact couple that spent money on good gear then fitted cheap fuses . But thankfully for us we changed them and I hope others see this as well . I don’t thing people realise how dangerous they are o know we didn’t
Great vlog guy's thanks
Thanks for watching Stan 🤗
I use a 50a one purely as a disconnect, it was working fine, I'd better check it now after seeing that. Thanks for the heads up
Yer get them checked mate . I’d fit a fuse and a dedicated iscolator switch . Better safe
Tea and CHOCOLATE biscuits supplied while you work! What a diamond Emma is, definitely a keeper!
Fuses always react and blow faster then CB’s, they might be less convenient to replace but ten minutes replacing a fuse isn’t the end of the world. Good quality CB’s react almost instantly in a short circuit situation and trip almost instantly due to the instantaneous current rise, well before the wiring overheats. But if you raise the current slowly it takes time for the thermal mechanism to react. That ones that didn’t disconnect properly are a bit concerning though!
Aaaawwwww Charlie, what a lovely thing to say!!! I think I’m a keeper too 😂😂😂
And a cup of tea and biscuit always makes a job easier I think, big hugs from Emma xx
Good job guys!
Thank you, we appreciate you 🙂🙂🙂🙂
I just learned something new about those breakers…..resistant heat splits the bi-metal plates…..which releases the spring loaded switch…..so obviously if it’s not overheated it will still be connected 🤔
Nice one guys, love the Matts off road sticker. Cheers K.
Thanks Karlos, yes we fans of Matts off road recovery 🤩
Great advice both of you thanks 👍🏻
Thank you, always better to be safe than sorry we both think!!! 😃😃
@@UrbanVanlife definitely
You have got to be safe especially with something that has the potential to kill you 🚑🏥
You can’t beat a simple fuse - I used the same ones in my van for the split charge relay I just added. Running a big fat wire from the starter battery, under the chassis is how that’s done - to a relay that then connects to the leisure batteries and if that ever shorted you need a fuse at either end that pops or you have a serious problem!
The “posh” chinesium breakers clearly are dodgy - good video highlighting this.
Yer I must admit the fuses are a better cheeper and more effective way of staying safe . There is one thing we know . They work
have you any info on fusing factor for your fuses. a 10 amp fuse with a ,5 fusing factor would blow at 15amps. fuse for the wire size and not the equipment.
Well done good vlog keep up the good work
Thanks Noel, much appreciated!! 🙂🙂
i only use ANL fuses i learned about fuses etc alot from car audio and melting wires due to breakers not tripping luckily i had quick disconnect on the battery
Hey im running an old 6000 watt inverter in my truck camper (not actually using anything that draws that much power, at most a heater at 1500 watts) but ive got a 200amp fuse block right before the inverter and a 200amp circuit breaker right after the battery in my engine bay, 1 I'm going to switch that circuit breaker out for a fuse block but 2, do you think 2 200amp fuse blocks before the inverter is enough or do i need to higher amp fuses?
My question would be why a 6000 w inverter that’s madness lol . And for some thing that big mate I’m not the right person to ask . May be the national grid
@@UrbanVanlife lol it was a high rated one that someone was selling on marketplace so I bought it anyway lol even though I don't run anything anywhere near that much power
Love you two ❤❤ Graham going to check his breakers now , love they way you explain things , Graham says even he can understand lol 😘🤗❤👵🐾🐾🤠 xxxx
It’s the best van parents in the whole wide world ever ❤️❤️❤️❤️
We love you guys too!!! So glad poppa is going to check, we need to keep you two diamonds safe xxxxxx 🤗🤗🤗❤️❤️❤️❤️
Great video guys. Hello from Australia 😀👍
Hey hey hey oz hope your good and cheers fella
Could you tell me what brand these breakers were please? Cheers.
Hi guys, have now changed to the alternative fuses on your recommendation 😀 so we'll done guys
Brilliant tips as allways '
I was always told they were dodgy unless you bought the most expensive ones so I just went with a midi fuse holder and strip fuses, dirt cheap but i assume safe and reliable.
MIDI and maxi all the way for us now man and when recommending them as well . But you don’t know untill you know I guess . Just hope it saves a few people
I have in line breakers for the solar, everything else is strip fuses as I was skint. Awkward to change but reliable. 12 volt compressor yes for the Landy and the air horn. Would that make a good video!?
Who knows what would make a good video bud all you have it do is put it out there and see
I have used many of those chinese ones off of amazon, and found i had to buy 5 to get 2 good ones, they would not put the power through a 3kw inverter so i changed them all to the ones you were changing to and have had no problems - inverter works great too
TOTALY agree . You do get what you pay for . But we all love a bargin just SADDLY it isn’t a good one
Fantastic vlog thanks ..
I was shocked when I payed a visit to 12vplanet's web site and seen that they are selling the very same shit 12v fuse breakers featured in your V log ... love your videos and have the upmost respect for the both of you 👏
The ones from 12 volt planet aren’t the same ones we had in our van, we where silly and got ours from Amazon without thinking, but the ones they sell are of a much better quality, I think we only paid around £10 for ours whereas the ones on 12 volt planet are much more expensive, but this is because they have gone through the proper testing!
@@UrbanVanlife Thanks for your reply I may purchase my breakers from 12v plant then nice one
flipin heck i just bought one of the breakers with the red switch. Im going to put it in my vice to see how many turns it takes to explode in to bits.
Thanks for the heads up
Please film this and show us the results 😂😂
Be careful for flying cheese!
Gr4at video Yes have to agree those other breakers are rubbish , we actually use the Din mount DC type with extinguisher arc built in much safer but must be wired up tot correct way
Hi ya
Another great tip for folks looking for safe options thank you!
"don't mess about with electrics" absolutely.....especially if you don't know how stuff works. For example using a multimeter, it can still show a voltage across a blown fuse/trip ....if you don't know get help. Great vids
Hi Neil great video 🤔 i have the same breakers in my van (BUT) I got them from 12 volt planet although they look the same Its made me wonder if they are safe. Did you get your original ones from 12 volt. planet. 🤔
No mate you paid for a premium product . My self and a lot of other people bought the cheep Amazon ones . The ones 12v plannet sell are the propper ones mate you’ll be ok with them
The reason those cheap dangerous trip fuses are still being sold is because no one reports the sellers and products to trading standards. great video and one that will probably save lives. Great job.
Thanks Campervan Dave, it’s something we thought needed raising as many people wouldn’t be aware, thanks again.
You Two are absolutely CRAZY !!! ( Love You Both) LOL
Us crazy? What makes you say that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mad as a box of frogs springs to mind 😂
Hi Neil and Emma 👋 just us2 saying hi and thanks again for sharing this video update and information 👋great video update as always 👍den and sue 👍👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🚌🚌🚌
Thanks guys hope your safe well and keeping sassy lol . Thank for watching ❤️❤️🤜🏼🤜🏼
I have one of those 50amp breakers between leisure battery and fuse box, am I right in saying If i replace with the better fuse I can fit an isolator switch too to shut the power down instead of the button on the sh!t trip switch
Yes mate you sure can bud .
Got a similar 'torpedo' type breaker on the kayak for my electrics.... Use it as a power breaker as well as a fuse breaker. If that fails, what could I swap it out for? As space is limited, I can't have separate breakers then fuses....
I’d fit a smal midi fuse abs a dedicated breaker off switch bud . Or if you have the cheap breakers like so many of us do . Then it may be worth investing in a decent one from 12vplanet . There is good ones you can get that work perfect . SADDLY if you got them off eBay or Amazon then I’d defo check them out .
Thats shocking i have never used them lucky me. Great advice saves lifes.
We didn’t know either until recently, hence the change!!! Hope you guys are well 😊
That’s interesting. I’m wondering though if you’re confusing overload current with fault current? I’d have to read some DC standards but with a normal breaker you wouldn’t get disconnection in the required time unless (commonly but not always) you’d expect to have to pull 10 times the rated tripping current to achieve disconnection in the safe time period. Overload current (what your demo was) does take a lot more time to disconnect because it’s only using the thermal properties of the circuit breaker. In that situation it’s difficult to how you’re safer replacing a breaker with a fuse? Although if you have Mickey Mouse breakers not made to a known standard then of course anything would be better.
What does surprise me is with the amount of DC in a van conversion (especially with the increasing use of solar panels) why nobody seems to be fitting B Type RCD’s . Normal RCD’s can’t see can’t see residual faults from DC so there’s no upstream protection that would disconnect the entire installation safely and very quickly..It’s an interesting one I’ll have to get into when I’ve got more time but for now the best type of protection would be a Type B RCD as soon as it comes into the caravan, especially with the complete lack of any tangible fault current at a UK Caravan pitch point..
I’ll have to do some reading….
Hi we're going to check our breakers tomorrow, can't believe you featured our sticker 👌 also we have the big boy transit on Duel wheels 4.6 ton 👍
Hey the stickers there and we appreciate all stickers . And yer get them breakers checked
@@UrbanVanlife all checked in all good, thanks for great advice.
Happy birthday Neil for yesterday
Thanks buddy and cheers for watching mate
I have similar style fuse holders and have fitted the flat fuses that are slotted but after installing them when you put the crimp on there’s not enough length on the stud to make contact with the nyloc section of the nut. Are these better?
The studs on these are long enough to get your nut on with the nyloc if that’s what you are looking for then these maybe better for you!
@@UrbanVanlife yes because the ones I had seem to have worked loose as the fuse had slipped out I also believe it to be part of a voltage drop issue, I’m a firm believer there should be at least 1 -2 threads showing out the top of the nut
Another great video. Everything you said is so true safety is number one priority. Save a Life in your van. Come on people thumbs up they deserve thumbs up give him some thumbs up
Thank you so much Marshall, if this video helps even one person we are happy as we know it’s done what we intended it to do!!! Safety is so important 🙂🙂
I don’t have an inverter in my van but have just fit a second charge controller to use a plug in suitcase solar panel. I have put 10 amp breakers either side of the controller. I have not used the ones in your video but similar ones shaped like a torpedo. Are these just as dangerous?I wanted breakers so I could switch both sides off when unplugging solar panel.
A lot of people do use them as breakers but they are not designed for that kind of application . If you think of it like turning the breakers off in your house to swich the lights off . Also it depends where you got them from as well if there an eBay or Amazon kind of breaker then chances are they’re just as bad mate . Id think about swapping them for fuses abs may be fitting an actual iscolation swich so you can turn them off
@@UrbanVanlife Thanks for that I will look into changing them for fuses and a proper isolation switch.
Well this has scared the crap out of me, but thanks for pointing out the issues. I've got two of those breakers which whilst tested and working perfectly they are not going to last the week, they're getting replaced.
To be honest I felt the same a few weeks ago when we found all this out and it was a massive shock so your not alone there . Thank you for watching
@@UrbanVanlife as you rightly said there's no point mucking around with leccy. 12voltplanet order in, and added some new switches to replace the ridiculously crap ones I bought from Amazon, out of 5 , 2 have fallen apart already.
I stopped using a break once I ran an 1800 watt heater test on my 2000 watt pure sine wave lets just say i could use the breaker to cook on and it never blow. Thank you for make this vid.
Can never be too careful!
@@UrbanVanlife agreed 💯
Haha he did fit perfectly in the cubby. I saw our sticker. I love seeing it pop up in people's vids. Great tutorial. You know, many people are very afraid to mess with electric stuff and wiring. I was lucky that Jessie knew how to do all that stuff. It can get expensive having someone do it for you. LOL so it's like a doghouse for him when he needs to be punished. Too funny!
Hi ya, hope you guys are all doing well!
I would like to say it would be a good doghouse for him when he's naughty, but he's naughty so often he would just have to live in there full time and I would just miss him too much!!! That and he'd probably be as happy as a clam cooped up in there fiddling with the electric's as he loves the electric side of the van build, it brings out his inner child so it wouldn't be a punishment ha ha! But yes he does fit perfectly in there!!
The problem is not the breaker type. The problem is that it was of extremely inferior Chinese construction. I have used this type of breaker (Bussmann brand only) very successfully for many years. I use the Type 1 stud self-resetting, ATM, E71/T71 Mini-ATM, and others. All Bussmann or the occasional Fastronix brands. I also test each breaker prior to installing it. The U.S. military also specifies breakers in most places for their vehicles.
Those fuses you removed, were the recommend ones to use, in loads of videos and in my first build (Renault Trafic SWB) I had a £5 10a PVM solar charger, 100w Solar, 100ah lead acid batt and no fuses, as I used the USB on the Solar controller to charge up the devices. As that was all I could afford at that the time. So poor was I, that I had no installation or carpet in the van, bed was raised on 4 pallets and I had a thin mattress. Was the worse 5 days sleeping in the van .. you can hear those violins playing just for me lol
Now on van two and seriously procrastinated on doing this build. Still another Renault trafic but newer and LWB low roof, as need to get into car parks with it. I have one of those controllers (epever) you had that burnt out, one of those fuses you have just swapped and well I bet everything I have is something your swapping out because they are dangerous lol So will do a virtual eyes roll ready for your next video lol
Thanks for the heads up - I’ve recently installed lithium and used some similar and one of my subscribers pointed out potential issues with the in-line type also. One thing I noted if testing the inverter it has some pretty big capacitors in it so can hold charge for a long while thus showing almost full voltage even when off. That said, I’m going to change my main ones for a rotary switch and fuse following your findings, the down stream ones will be protected by that then. I did see very variable reviews depending on the variants of them also. Thanks for sharing, very safety conscious so appreciated - all the best, David 👍
Hey thanks David . Yer them trips really arnt good enough for any of us mate if I’m honest . And yer the inverter holds a massive charge and will take a while to charge down . But they are still no good for us all . I think mega ans midi fuses are the only safe way to go . Thanks for the comment buddy . It’s nice when other channels take time to comment so thanks for that
Hello you guys, this is my first time seeing you on YT. This topic is very serious and important, so THANK YOU, for sharing.
First I'm British living in the States, and watching you guys has made me miss home.. Also, watching the love & jokes between the two of you has made me want to see more of you, so I'll be subscribing right after my comment. Lastly, you may never know how many lives and vehicles ,( including myself) you have saved.
And for that, may you stay beautiful and blessed forever.
Thank you !❤
already ordered a small victron battery protect for stand by mode and i will run heavy apliances trespassing it... most of its use is for when i m not there .. feels ok
Sorry, im a little confused - are you saying even the surface mounted circuit breakers 12v planet supply arent good and should use mega fuses jnstead? Ive just been quoted for the 60a, but think ill change for the megas now.
With the circuit breakers you could trip the switch to isolate the circuit. How would you now isolate the circuits please?
Well I’d just turn the off isolation switch that I turned off to do the swap over and we do intend fitting another one to the inverter as well
Thanks for the heads up you two, going to order mine tomorrow and throw away the shite ones 👍🏼
Awesome, happy shopping buddy 😊
great vid,how many motorhomers on here TELL you to buy them cheap crap breakers from ebay,LOADS,i use blue sea breakers only, I have used them fuses you have there and had lots of melting so it depends on the quality of the fuse which i found littlefuse and blue sea the better ones,although i can vouch for 12 volt planet being a very good shop to use
Thanks, yes we have had a few people mention blue sea for quality, it’s just one of those things that you need to spend money on for safety purposes! But we have spoke to the guys at 12 volt planet at length after we realised we needed to change ours and they really know their stuff!
I love how you mention about the safety. Its always better to pay something expensive for a better quality and that might save you from a huge disaster.
The vampire suit could the definetely the hall of fame for creators. So many stickers in there 😄
Cheers mate . Loads of people don’t thing that there are problems until they become problem’s. We think it’s better to have no potential problems . Abs yer we have a great sticker wall don’t we . Going to need bigger doors soon
Great video just bought a camper so looking to get away soon.
Awesome news on the van purchase! Can’t beat just packing up and travelling off!! Happy travels 😃😃
@@UrbanVanlife when I get the twelve volts working lol works on hook uo 12 volts won't work on there own. But I'm not giving up next I will check the fuse by the leisure battery under the drivers seat hopefully that is the problem.
Thanks for this just checked my breakers and yes even when switched off still live Chinese junk lesson learned fuses ordered 👏👏👏🏴👍
Always better to check and be safe buddy, glad you spotted it sooner rather than later!!!
I will only ever buy my stuff from 12 Planet now. And I can confirm that these trips are dangerous from what I've found.... Top videos 👍
Mate there so so bad them trip switches . How’s the heater
@@UrbanVanlife Fire it up this morning. So if I don't comment anymore you know it didn't go well...
Just a question having a 30 amp fuse on the victron did you really need to change it
We needed to change all the trip fuses mate . And the one that was on the Orion was 100AMP lol . Don’t know why but hey
If I got a 200w solar panel kit, it’s an eco worthy kit, it doesn’t come with a fuse to go between the controller and the battery.. any idea what size fuse I should put?
I’d go for a 20 to 30amp fuse . The maths is watt / volts = amps which gives you 16amps but go a little higher cos it may fluctuate
@@UrbanVanlife thank you, I contacted the company I bought it from and they said it don’t need fusing 😬 think I may still fuse it anyway haha
Getting paid out from insurance may also be a pain if leccys found to be the cause of fire Great vid Neil, Dan has taught you so much....lol
Mate that’s a very very good point lol Dan and electric 😂😂😂😂😂
Can you let us have the details of the compressor you have got I. The van, thank you
Hi ya Suzybear, the compressor we have in our van is on the Amazon store link which is in the page header, hope this helps 👌
On your victron 30 amp dc to dc they told me I needed a 60 amp for my 30 amp charge ,says that in their manual also . strange isn't it
We trusted what the guys at 12v plannet told us mate . They know better than most and also know these units inside out plus what we all put them trough as well . So I’d rent to trust them more than victron them selves
Just came across this video after trying to find out why my version of these trip switches trips at around 60-70% of the total rating. So I actually have the opposite problem.
That’s madness . I just don’t like them to be honest
Great video guys, those breakers were going to be added to our next van. Not now tho thank you and safe travels….
Thanks buddy . Hopefully more will take them out now after seeing how bad they can be
@@UrbanVanlife if it’s alright with you I will put a link in my next video to your video
That’s fine mate . May be just re do it for your audience mate and tell them . Not a problem what ever way mate
@@UrbanVanlife thanks Neil I will work it in.
I was more than happy to donate the breaker for a good cause.. Mainly not burning our vans down.. It was brought from Amazon FYI.. I did try to raise a safety issue with them but its all about the ££££££
Same as us mate . And a lot of other people who probably won’t admit it lol
As a matter of interest, did you do the same tests with your new fuses as you did with the breakers... i.e. at what amps did they blow?
If you were to test a fuse to see if it would blow and it was to blow then you would need another fuse, and then you would have to test that one entering yourself into a worm hole of fuse testing, the fuses that 12 volt planet sell are tried and tested and come from a well established company
@@UrbanVanlife Wouldn't that suggest that the breakers that 12 volt planet sell are equally tried and tested etc.? I only ask because I use breakers from 12 volt planet - Handy as a switch, as well as a "fuse".
hi i have just changed my fuses to breakers as instructed by lots of you tubers ,, whats going on ? ,,
Hvnt been watching you guys long but find you pair funny you remind me of us,, me and my partner.we live in Stoke on Trent not that far from u guys...I've never visited Liverpool but hoping to this wk why I'm off work....got to watch you guys by watching your friends the traveltrolls ...
Aaawwww thanks Amanda, there’s loads of amazing places to visit in Liverpool and the people are so friendly, you’ll have a fabulous time!!! Thanks for saying hello and another thanks for watching us two loonies 😃😃😃
@@UrbanVanlife lol no problem