I have my own theory how this conflict should look like. Especially to avoid common flaw of Sci-Fi, what is overbalancing fighting sides. What considering that Trek is not about war, make series especially suited for asymmetric conflicts. What in fact are way more common in real life. And Romulan War is perfect case of asymmetric conflict. With Romulans attempting lightning raid to eliminate inferior enemy, to bog down as result of underestimation and luck. To be dragged in larger conflict with coalition formed as result and basically bluffing the way out. BUT! Unfortunately not every adaptation get the point. So we end in classic Trek gray zone of logic.
Meanwhile, the Imperial Guard deploying Leman Russ Executioners... (For those not aware of Warhammer 40k lore, the Executioner is a variant of their main battle tank armed with a plasma cannon. Plasma weapons in 40k have a habit of exploding if you look at them wrong and failing that, share the Dragon's heat sink problems under extended fire.)
Anything early Earth v Romulan... I'm in! Battle break downs, territory maps year by year (month by month) w/e. I love the early stuff, use your big nerdy brain and come up with better ideas than I have lol I'll watch
The romulan wareffort being centered around a single, if massive, supply base was a strategic error. Those puny humans mounting a deep strike? Inconceivable!
There was a reason for that. Romulan mega-shipyard was strategically located far from they expected opponent. So the Vulcan Space Command. But then they find out that area border ally of Vulcans, what was one of the reasons for attack.
You have this space that takes months to get to, you can’t build it any closer to your enemy because it’s at risk and you can’t build it closer to home because then it becomes logistically useless. You can’t spread it out because then your fleet becomes scattered and poorly cohesive in any time limits. The allegory would be Singapore for the British or Pearl Harbour for the US. You could scatter your fleet all over the Pacific or keep it one place and react as needed.
Yet again, amateurs talk tactics, soldiers talk strategy, and professionals talk logistics. I vibe hard on UE stuff and I love it. I agree as well with your overall thoughts. Keep all the toys in the sandbox at once, which gives you the flexibility to respond to any situation. Good job, happy holidays!
It's a pity that there was never a TV series covering this war. Thank you sir, for all of your hard work and the detail that you include. Happy Christmas to you.
@@martynlloyd4194 Season 5 Build up of tensions and initial invasion. Season 6 Humanity on the backfoot, the battle of earth/the sol system Season 7 More cooperation between the pre-federation powers. Romulans are pushed back and the federation is formed.
Logistics and versatility. Two features that Starfleet in all it's variants have in spades. A delightful return to some Earth-Romulan war era content with the review of the ship specs and doctrines.
The NX-class really was a great example of this, even if Starfleet had an astonishingly naive view of space exploration. The NX ships were supposed to be entirely self-sufficient, going over a year without support, so they were over-engineered to a ridiculous degree. That's how Enterprise survived that almighty pounding at Azati Prime, and even fought battles afterwards, presumably with half the crew praying that nobody spotted the giant holes in the hull playing. We did see the flip side of this, of course, as Colombia was launched months overdue.
Most Starfleet ships with exception of Freedom, NX+, Yorktown, Ceres and some variants of Daedalus were Warp 2. Confusion may come from fact that many ships were refitted to Warp 5 after the war.
Warp 2 is laughably slow, it would take 5 months to get from Earth to Alpha Centauri. The Pirates would have to set up shop in the Solar System to be able to deal with them. I see it more of a customs vessel, one that deals with very compliant smugglers.
🖖😎👍Very totally cool and very nicely greatly well done and wonderfully informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided by you on "How United Earth Won The Romulan War!"; A job very fabulously well done by you indeed Sir!👌.
I do hope one day you maybe redo the Romulan Earth war with these new tactics and such as the new piece because id love to see how the war would have paced with these tactics yes the outcome is somewhat still the same but how that out come is acheived is still awesome to think about and i would love to see it but wither way Venom i wosh you a merry Christmas and a happy New Year!
Interesting vid! It's such a shame these ships were not featured in Star Trek: Enterprise. Would have loved seeing a few Phobos, Freedom, Delta and Poseidon Class ships in the show.
Delta is in the show. Poseidon, Yorktown, Minuteman and Freedom were designed after show was made. I was surprised that we did not see early Daedalus in the show? But it context it make sense as it was not Starfleet design.
@@TheRezro That's one of my minor gripes with the show. They didn't show enough prewarp era Earth vessels. Would have liked to have seen the interior of those ships as well.
Star Trek: Enterprise definitely gave some serious continuity issues to the Romulan war. All of the weaponry and ships use were supposed to be seriously primitive such as only radio was used for communications and they use nuclear weapons in their conflict and missiles for ship combat such as the missiles that the NX-01 enterprise had before they switched over to full phasers and photon torpedoes. Those weapons did not exist in the Earth Romulan war. It feels like something caused a conflict to not happen such as the temporal Cold War thing. Something must’ve happened in the timeline long before enterprise ever started but after Cochran ran the warp one ship Phoenix. It sounded like what happened after that was the Vulcans started holding humans back from advancing and that’s the only thing I could think of that would’ve prevented that war from occurring.
You are still a young man and at your age opinions on many things will change and then change back. It's not until you have more than 50 years behind you plus a career, combat and raising kids that you will have a opinion and stick to it. I would give anything to be young enough to change my world view back and forth ! Keep up your wonderful great work and videos Venom !
I feel like this is the doctrine that we would get towards the latter half of the war. The early half of the war feels like Starfleet's on the back foot and scrambling to do something to stop the bleeding. The early part would also be trying to throw up ideas, seeing what sticks, and innovating off of that, and ultimately, we get into this fleet doctrine.
Would love to see a video from around this period which compares known fleets like starfleet, andorian fleet, vulcan fleet, tellarite, romulan, klingon etc. Just rough comparisons on the ships employed, rough amount estimates and how doctrine etc differs. Thanks for the vid, keep em coming!
The Poseidon is a ship which we have different opinions on. When it’s said that it replaced the NX class, to me, that means in construction priority. While it wasn’t as powerful, it was powerful enough to get the job done, and more cost effective to produce and operate in larger numbers. It’s the choice between 1 battleship or 4 light cruisers, when strapped for time and ships, you’ll take the cruisers.
I sort of get a visualization of Romulan logistics as being like that of the early Nazi campaign into the Soviet Union in WW2. Advance, hit end of logistics tether, get counterattacked and driven back. At the start of their invasion, the Germans had no major tank repair depots to be sent with their forces to the east. So a damaged tank had to be shipped back all the way to Germany to get significant repairs done. I'd expect that the Romulans had similar issues with the distance their supply ships had to travel and the more specialized nature of their ships. Heavily damaged ships had to return to Romulan shipyards for repairs, which was a multi month journey there and back. And I'd guess their cargo ships could carry smaller volumes of goods and at lower speeds than United Earth's could. So they had a much more limited ability to keep thier ships in the fight and keep them in good shape.
United Earth doctrine being born from a fleet that was a mismatched of classes that where not built with each other in mind would serve the Federation Starfleet well when it had to learn to do it again with many of those who had been in the United Earth Starfleet still being in the institution and thus having maintained that institutional knowlage in that critical moment that likely had a major influence on the Federations ability to handle the onslaught shortly thereafter that was the Federation Klingon War.
tbh i feel the battle of the Atlantic would be a fun basis for some stories set in the Romulan earth war. Stories of stealth vessels hunting down merchant ships, and the tactics evolved to counter each other and the battle of Atlantic is one of those area's of history that gets forgotten (because America sat most of it out) but still has an impact on how we fight submarines to this day
"Should I do some videos on the Romulan battles vs earth?" - Umm know, because everyone comes here for your videos on early Federation Terraforming Projects. That was sarcasm. Yes, I want to see those videos. I love this fricking channel, and your discourse is on par with Kings and Generals. When I become a millionaire, my first task (after paying bills and stuff) is making arrangements to fight you on Star Fleet Battles. I call Kzinti.
Great video, it's a shame that the earth/romulan conflict was never featured in "enterprise" as i think it would have given the show the ratings boost it needed, and i think it would have been great to see how this war would have played out on screen
Thanks for this. I appreciate the thought and work you put into this, whilst simultaneously having a lot of nostalgia for novels in 1980s like those by Diane Carey ("Final Frontier") which were brilliant at inventing a sort of beta canon to explain loads of TOS stuff that IS canon.
Very good interesting video, we need more content from this era. Yes, please do battle break down for this war. Those Gunships seem like they were left behind as guardship for newly conquered and liberated planets?
yeah i've tried to merge the two since i do like the expanse whilst also tieing it into the combat we'll see in the future. the only issue with SFMs earth ships is their sheer massive volume.
@venomgeekmedia9886 I see the SFM vessels as more like Earth's starting vessels the planetary defense so to speak like I could see the bison as a precessor to the cargo vessels seen in enterprise....down graded to interplanetary duties where the YT freighters are better suited for longer distance
@@ashleyhedley I really enjoyed the SFM vessels especially the pre-antimatter systems and eventual development of AM during the war. Ultimately what gave SF its edge in the war.
Logistics alongside finance have always been the two major important sinews of war when it comes to one side winning a war. So it’s no surprise that United earths martial advantage in logistical organisation of their war effort allowed them to repulse the enemy’s attacks on their territory and then launch a devastating and decisive counter attack into enemy territory.
Good video now the question what was the Federation saying about the war in TOS and later in TNG because it seemed to be more important to the Romulans than the Federation at least by TNG/DS9 thought the Federation Klingon Cold War might have had something to do with it
Klingons: we are the best for war. We live for battle. Romulans: No we are. We nearly nuclear ourselves to extinct and rise from ashes, striking from shadow. Making our foes fight each. Jem har: No. We are literally bree for war. Humans looking at other aliens: Amateurs.
Warp deltas could go warp 3 post romulan war uprate and had 2 phase cannons, intrepid romulan war uprate could go warp 4 cruise speed and a max of warp 5.6 and had 8 phase cannons, and 2 photon torpedoes. They were MONSTERS. The Poseidon had 10 phase cannons and 8 torpedo launchers homie…it was a destroyer pure and simply, it had more torpedo launchers compared to the romulan war uprated NX (which had 6) but the NX upgrade had 12 PULSED phase cannons, while the Poseidon had 10 regular phase cannons. The Yorktown is a terrifying monster for it’s time, 6 dual phase cannons (so essentially 12 pulse phase cannons) 2 phase cannons, 2 pulse phase cannons, and 8 photonic torpedo launchers.
Weren't NX refits already employed during the Romulan war? I thought there was a mix of both. Great video, looking forward to the Romulan part next week. Merry Christmas!
The Klingons and romulans have a very warrior culture and have a lot of people eager to fight. But a small number of people can orbital bombart or occupy the small areas of a planet you don’t bombart. So having a large and productive workforce, that can supply the small number of warriors is key in interplanetary war.
The Phobos is the Liberty Ships. During WW2 they pumped out hundreds of not thousands of the things. They main hauled cargo, but they did have guns. But just the bare minimum and like no armer. But damn are they easy cheap and quick to make
I was rewatching ENT, in episode of Archer in Quonos court the Klingon said they could have send a fleet to destroy the Earth, which made me curious as to how would Klingon war be different in the same time period. It`s not clear who`s more advantageous. Also wish we could see Yorktown in action
A note on Romulan warp fuel of this time era. I've done some research and calculations on how much fusion fuel is required to power a warp field at different warp factors. The assumptions for these calculations are that the power curves found in the TNG tech manual are accurate across the board, not just for the Galaxy class. Clearly, this assumption is false but it's illuminating, regardless. There re several fusion fuels and several fusion cycles for each fuel. In general, the more power you get from the fusion reaction, the harder it is to make it happen. Fusion of light-hydrogen gives the most energy of all fusion cycles but it is quite difficult. However, fusion fuels and cycles that are easy either don't give off much energy or the fuel is rare. The best compromise I have found is to use deuterium as the main fuel. There are 5 deuterium fusion cycles that have any practicality, IMHO. If the fusion cycle used is straight deuterium-deuterium (DD) -- where there is one (main) reaction results in helium3, tritium, protons and neutrons] -- then the maximum speed is likely to be in the warp 4 regime, as the 4wf power hump would require the fusion of 5.6kg of deuterium per second. This would allow for a continuous cruse of 4.7wf, assuming this amount of fuel could be fused continuously. To supply deuterium at this rate continuously, a Bussard ram scoop would need to be 36 kilometers in radius to collect this much hydrogen from the average densities interstellar gas. This seems large. However, this also highlights the main advantage of using fusion to fuel your warp engine: the fuel is literally in your way, ready for collection. Meaning it would be perfectly possible to warp from one star to another without using any of the onboard fuel. This, to my mind, explains why the Romulan military has such poor logistics infrastructure: they use in-situ resources.
I've been working on a refit of the warp delta for after the war The Delta Class Corvette: 5 phase cannons, 4 forward 1 aft 1 torpedo tube 1 additional deck A deflector dish based on the intrepid type Relocated the bridge to be centered on the haul Warp 5 capable
Also technically speaking. Though class was used until end of 22'th century. Being gradually replaced by refitted Daedalus. On military level it was practically replaced by NV (Intrepid type) and later Strider. What was basically saucerless NX, used as Frigate until 24'th century. Probably related also to Marklin class Destroyer, as intermediate form.
@@TheRezro I work off of a different head cannon, following what I think the show would have done. I dont think they would have designed a new model of the dadelous for the show, so the delta would've been used as the most common ship. I've just never liked the round sphere ship look and think they often look to oversized for the era
@@arcticshark1808 Ganges was evolution of Neptune (Emmett) class, what itself was most likely developed from Conestoga/Discovery. Those ships were already structural zombies from Warp 2 era. Archer order them after war purely due to low costs, as Earth was basically bankrupted. Daedalus was technically also refit of older civilian design. But unlike Delta, it was modular and they could be far easier upgraded, even with modern engines. Plus they were mass-produced by Bajkonur Shipyards. So that is why they actually survived longer then alternative. After war Earth has access to Vulcan Warp 7. So most of they actually new ships were based on Bonaventure class.
Although a great video, Ive always liked the idea of the Romulan Empire at this point in history is becoming or already is a declining power, with them having been a dominant power in the pre-UE period. Domestically, the Romulans are having problems with internal strife, uprisings, corruption, economical breakdown and maybe even substantial humanitarian disasters on some of their core worlds resulting in a significant amount of Romulan refugees that needs management. The Praetor along with other influential families orchestrate the Romulan-Earth war for differing purposes, some control, some power, some wealth and others to distract the Empire from their ongoing problems. Almost a little like the problems the Cardassians faced but not close to as serious. This would mean limited supplies and resources for the Romulans war effort, even though they had access to large formations of ships, which would give them an initial advantage but cause problems long-term. Additionally, the reasons to why the Romulans go quiet after the war would make more sense, they are managing, rebuilding and reimagining their empire only feeling ready for large scale war later during the original series. The end of the war would instead be a tragedy, UE forces assault one of the main or the main supply bases (dockyards whatever) only to find a massive humanitarian crisis going on. In this confusion the Praetors forces arrive and confronts the UE forces only to cause immense damage to the Romulan refugees, other Romulan military forces not in personal service to the Praetor maneuver to protect the civilians giving UE forces a chance to withdraw. This disaster completely destroys the Praetors legitimacy and exposes the true state of the war, a coup takes place and very quickly a truce along with a peace is negotiated which from the side of humanity seems out of the blue and sudden. Meaning you still have a military confrontation resulting from the deep strike but you can sprinkle in some more civilian assets to confuse the battle field. Ive always thought the Romulans, Klingons or whoever otherwise dont really do much except being these massive threats that just cannot do anything substantial. Rather in the case of the Romulan-Earth war, Earth throws everything it has against a major force but who are overconfident and with limited resources. Almost by just luck winning a strategic victory that later gives the Federation the respite it needs to establish itself to stand against the giants of the Klingon and Romulan war machines that for so long has been dominant in the quadrant.
Sources:
www.reddit.com/r/StarTrekStarships/comments/1fdp2he/updated_warp_delta_msd/
www.deviantart.com/buzanorbi
New Romulan War Battle Breakdowns is what daddy would like to see in the near future, please..... 🥺
It’s finally here, It’s been so long since I first watched battlespace, thank you for providing some of the best startrek content I have ever seen
I have my own theory how this conflict should look like. Especially to avoid common flaw of Sci-Fi, what is overbalancing fighting sides. What considering that Trek is not about war, make series especially suited for asymmetric conflicts. What in fact are way more common in real life. And Romulan War is perfect case of asymmetric conflict. With Romulans attempting lightning raid to eliminate inferior enemy, to bog down as result of underestimation and luck. To be dragged in larger conflict with coalition formed as result and basically bluffing the way out. BUT! Unfortunately not every adaptation get the point. So we end in classic Trek gray zone of logic.
where can we find the Phobos Class Artist? or the source for the images you used? :) awesome little ship
@jyralnadreth4442 the orthos is from Admiral Horton. However I believe the ship is from a game... not sure which.
“Melting your own face off in an attempt to melt an enemy’s face off is not a valid tactic” debatable
Ask Captain Evans of the _USS Johnston._ I think he would say it's viable. 😁
I think clanner Nova pilots would also protest
Meanwhile, the Imperial Guard deploying Leman Russ Executioners...
(For those not aware of Warhammer 40k lore, the Executioner is a variant of their main battle tank armed with a plasma cannon. Plasma weapons in 40k have a habit of exploding if you look at them wrong and failing that, share the Dragon's heat sink problems under extended fire.)
@@venomgeekmedia9886 And any Awesome enjoyer
'A Klingon warrior wears his battle scars with pride!'...
UE fleet should get more of a spotlight. Excellent video VGM 👍
agreed
Anything early Earth v Romulan... I'm in! Battle break downs, territory maps year by year (month by month) w/e. I love the early stuff, use your big nerdy brain and come up with better ideas than I have lol I'll watch
The romulan wareffort being centered around a single, if massive, supply base was a strategic error.
Those puny humans mounting a deep strike? Inconceivable!
There was a reason for that. Romulan mega-shipyard was strategically located far from they expected opponent. So the Vulcan Space Command. But then they find out that area border ally of Vulcans, what was one of the reasons for attack.
You have this space that takes months to get to, you can’t build it any closer to your enemy because it’s at risk and you can’t build it closer to home because then it becomes logistically useless. You can’t spread it out because then your fleet becomes scattered and poorly cohesive in any time limits.
The allegory would be Singapore for the British or Pearl Harbour for the US. You could scatter your fleet all over the Pacific or keep it one place and react as needed.
Yet again, amateurs talk tactics, soldiers talk strategy, and professionals talk logistics. I vibe hard on UE stuff and I love it. I agree as well with your overall thoughts. Keep all the toys in the sandbox at once, which gives you the flexibility to respond to any situation. Good job, happy holidays!
The NX-01 is my fav Star Trek Ship it's a beautiful design.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
I prefer the Refit with the engineering section added. at least for the Pre-Fed era
Intrepid (the 22nd century one) for me, but I see it.
It's weird. I originally disliked the design but over time the NX-01 has become one of my favorite Star Trek ships.
It's a pity that there was never a TV series covering this war.
Thank you sir, for all of your hard work and the detail that you include. Happy Christmas to you.
Should have been enterprise season 5 onwards
@@martynlloyd4194
Season 5
Build up of tensions and initial invasion.
Season 6
Humanity on the backfoot, the battle of earth/the sol system
Season 7
More cooperation between the pre-federation powers.
Romulans are pushed back and the federation is formed.
New Romulan War Battle Breakdowns sound absolutely amazing, absolutely!
Logistics and versatility. Two features that Starfleet in all it's variants have in spades.
A delightful return to some Earth-Romulan war era content with the review of the ship specs and doctrines.
The NX-class really was a great example of this, even if Starfleet had an astonishingly naive view of space exploration. The NX ships were supposed to be entirely self-sufficient, going over a year without support, so they were over-engineered to a ridiculous degree. That's how Enterprise survived that almighty pounding at Azati Prime, and even fought battles afterwards, presumably with half the crew praying that nobody spotted the giant holes in the hull playing. We did see the flip side of this, of course, as Colombia was launched months overdue.
@@Cailus3542 Thing is that they weren't. Starfleet was actual military in that period. Archer was the naive one.
@@Cailus3542 what's amazing about the NX class is the lack of shields. The armor tanked a huge amount of damage.
If I remember correctly the cargo ships were roughly warp 2. The phonos could have been used in convoy escort.
Most Starfleet ships with exception of Freedom, NX+, Yorktown, Ceres and some variants of Daedalus were Warp 2.
Confusion may come from fact that many ships were refitted to Warp 5 after the war.
Phobos ships likely were given over to planets after the war to be used as local police ships. And to deal with pirates at best.
Warp 2 is laughably slow, it would take 5 months to get from Earth to Alpha Centauri.
The Pirates would have to set up shop in the Solar System to be able to deal with them. I see it more of a customs vessel, one that deals with very compliant smugglers.
it was nice to see a romulan war story again, wish you a happy holiday
Wow I thought you were never going to do another one of these
never say never ;)
I swear when I first watched your romulan war stories it legit felt like I was watching the history channel 😂😂
I’ve been watching your battle space videos since 2020
doesn't time fly
@@venomgeekmedia9886your cardassian border war series is how I discovered your channel.
🖖😎👍Very totally cool and very nicely greatly well done and wonderfully informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided by you on "How United Earth Won The Romulan War!"; A job very fabulously well done by you indeed Sir!👌.
Yes!! I would like to see battle breakdowns from the Romulan-Earth War 😀
Wow, didn't expect this, do i dare to hope for a continuation of the invasion of krios.
Another Romulan War video? You know how long I've been waiting for this!
Yes. More United Earth and Romulan War content please. Give us everything!
I am interred in those battle breakdowns! 😄
Glad to hear a fellow Ryan Mcbeth fan.
It's my favourite era of trek ships, always happy for more of this.
YES please, MORE of the battle breakdowns.
I do hope one day you maybe redo the Romulan Earth war with these new tactics and such as the new piece because id love to see how the war would have paced with these tactics yes the outcome is somewhat still the same but how that out come is acheived is still awesome to think about and i would love to see it but wither way Venom i wosh you a merry Christmas and a happy New Year!
Interesting vid! It's such a shame these ships were not featured in Star Trek: Enterprise. Would have loved seeing a few Phobos, Freedom, Delta and Poseidon Class ships in the show.
Delta is in the show. Poseidon, Yorktown, Minuteman and Freedom were designed after show was made.
I was surprised that we did not see early Daedalus in the show? But it context it make sense as it was not Starfleet design.
@@TheRezro That's one of my minor gripes with the show. They didn't show enough prewarp era Earth vessels. Would have liked to have seen the interior of those ships as well.
Definitely would love to see some breakdowns from the romulan war
Great vid, love the Ryan McBeth quote! I look forward to more posts like this.
OMG I have been waiting for this for so long
We love you Venom! Have a great holiday!
Amazing video love the 22nd century 🖖🖖Can't wait to see more
Star Trek: Enterprise definitely gave some serious continuity issues to the Romulan war. All of the weaponry and ships use were supposed to be seriously primitive such as only radio was used for communications and they use nuclear weapons in their conflict and missiles for ship combat such as the missiles that the NX-01 enterprise had before they switched over to full phasers and photon torpedoes. Those weapons did not exist in the Earth Romulan war. It feels like something caused a conflict to not happen such as the temporal Cold War thing. Something must’ve happened in the timeline long before enterprise ever started but after Cochran ran the warp one ship Phoenix. It sounded like what happened after that was the Vulcans started holding humans back from advancing and that’s the only thing I could think of that would’ve prevented that war from occurring.
How about you do a Babylon 5 war campaign battle breakdown. The Mimbari Earth war, the Narn Centari war, the Shadow war, and the Earth civil war.
Dilgar War with sources from Babylon 5 Wars game as its labeled canon by J. Michael Straczynski
Yes!!!! This......please do this ❤❤❤😂😂
Was excited to hear about the Dragon. First time I've ever seen that design and it's just fascinating to look at. Too bad you didn't cover it.
You are still a young man and at your age opinions on many things will change and then change back. It's not until you have more than 50 years behind you plus a career, combat and raising kids that you will have a opinion and stick to it. I would give anything to be young enough to change my world view back and forth ! Keep up your wonderful great work and videos Venom !
I've watched this video 5 times now.
I feel like this is the doctrine that we would get towards the latter half of the war. The early half of the war feels like Starfleet's on the back foot and scrambling to do something to stop the bleeding. The early part would also be trying to throw up ideas, seeing what sticks, and innovating off of that, and ultimately, we get into this fleet doctrine.
Would love to see a video from around this period which compares known fleets like starfleet, andorian fleet, vulcan fleet, tellarite, romulan, klingon etc. Just rough comparisons on the ships employed, rough amount estimates and how doctrine etc differs. Thanks for the vid, keep em coming!
The Poseidon is a ship which we have different opinions on. When it’s said that it replaced the NX class, to me, that means in construction priority. While it wasn’t as powerful, it was powerful enough to get the job done, and more cost effective to produce and operate in larger numbers. It’s the choice between 1 battleship or 4 light cruisers, when strapped for time and ships, you’ll take the cruisers.
You know what, I've been enjoying these so much, time to tick that bell and just watch everything.
I sort of get a visualization of Romulan logistics as being like that of the early Nazi campaign into the Soviet Union in WW2. Advance, hit end of logistics tether, get counterattacked and driven back.
At the start of their invasion, the Germans had no major tank repair depots to be sent with their forces to the east. So a damaged tank had to be shipped back all the way to Germany to get significant repairs done. I'd expect that the Romulans had similar issues with the distance their supply ships had to travel and the more specialized nature of their ships. Heavily damaged ships had to return to Romulan shipyards for repairs, which was a multi month journey there and back. And I'd guess their cargo ships could carry smaller volumes of goods and at lower speeds than United Earth's could. So they had a much more limited ability to keep thier ships in the fight and keep them in good shape.
Yup. Good example.
Yes please! More battle breakdowns! 🍻
Really good video. Keep up the good work cant wait for the next one
Been waiting for this for so long
Amazing video!
Yes i love those episodes,
This is interesting. I honestly don't know much about the UE ships, so this was really interesting to learn about them!
This was really informative, and I loved seeing all the star ships.
Well worth the wait
United Earth doctrine being born from a fleet that was a mismatched of classes that where not built with each other in mind would serve the Federation Starfleet well when it had to learn to do it again with many of those who had been in the United Earth Starfleet still being in the institution and thus having maintained that institutional knowlage in that critical moment that likely had a major influence on the Federations ability to handle the onslaught shortly thereafter that was the Federation Klingon War.
Love this era! Well done!
I really enjoyed this one, and yes, more UE spot light 😀
Loved this video🎉
I really wish you would do more battle break downs! And please do some on the 4 years war! And if you do please include axanar ships!
I wanted enterprise to do this so badly. Ala dominion war arc but with kit bash ships and tech
Great video sir. I always enjoy your content.
Love your videos great information.
Very well done.
tbh i feel the battle of the Atlantic would be a fun basis for some stories set in the Romulan earth war. Stories of stealth vessels hunting down merchant ships, and the tactics evolved to counter each other
and the battle of Atlantic is one of those area's of history that gets forgotten (because America sat most of it out) but still has an impact on how we fight submarines to this day
Very cool.
Please revisit the romulan war, that would awesome!
battle breakdowns all day!
Hard to believe that it feels like yesterday I waited for the next video after the break down of the D'drex
Excellent!
"Should I do some videos on the Romulan battles vs earth?" - Umm know, because everyone comes here for your videos on early Federation Terraforming Projects.
That was sarcasm. Yes, I want to see those videos. I love this fricking channel, and your discourse is on par with Kings and Generals.
When I become a millionaire, my first task (after paying bills and stuff) is making arrangements to fight you on Star Fleet Battles.
I call Kzinti.
Ooooh particularly interesting vid to me, don’t mind if I do
Great video, it's a shame that the earth/romulan conflict was never featured in "enterprise" as i think it would have given the show the ratings boost it needed, and i think it would have been great to see how this war would have played out on screen
Thanks for this. I appreciate the thought and work you put into this, whilst simultaneously having a lot of nostalgia for novels in 1980s like those by Diane Carey ("Final Frontier") which were brilliant at inventing a sort of beta canon to explain loads of TOS stuff that IS canon.
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Posiden Class looks like a very early Luna Class design.
Second:) love these videos
A dominion war style breakdown would be amazing
More breakdowns would be great
Very good interesting video, we need more content from this era.
Yes, please do battle break down for this war.
Those Gunships seem like they were left behind as guardship for newly conquered and liberated planets?
i quite enjoyed the starfleet museum version of the war.......the expanse.....but star trek
yeah i've tried to merge the two since i do like the expanse whilst also tieing it into the combat we'll see in the future. the only issue with SFMs earth ships is their sheer massive volume.
@venomgeekmedia9886 I see the SFM vessels as more like Earth's starting vessels the planetary defense so to speak like I could see the bison as a precessor to the cargo vessels seen in enterprise....down graded to interplanetary duties where the YT freighters are better suited for longer distance
@@ashleyhedley I really enjoyed the SFM vessels especially the pre-antimatter systems and eventual development of AM during the war. Ultimately what gave SF its edge in the war.
I like the Ryan McBeth reference.
Logistics alongside finance have always been the two major important sinews of war when it comes to one side winning a war. So it’s no surprise that United earths martial advantage in logistical organisation of their war effort allowed them to repulse the enemy’s attacks on their territory and then launch a devastating and decisive counter attack into enemy territory.
Daedalus is a Star Control 2 Earthling Cruiser (long-range missiles, laser point defense, squishy at close range)
Good video now the question what was the Federation saying about the war in TOS and later in TNG because it seemed to be more important to the Romulans than the Federation at least by TNG/DS9 thought the Federation Klingon Cold War might have had something to do with it
Yup. Plus Starfleet don't see itself as military, so they don't bother with studding old war that much.
Klingons: we are the best for war. We live for battle.
Romulans: No we are. We nearly nuclear ourselves to extinct and rise from ashes, striking from shadow. Making our foes fight each.
Jem har: No. We are literally bree for war.
Humans looking at other aliens: Amateurs.
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Warp deltas could go warp 3 post romulan war uprate and had 2 phase cannons, intrepid romulan war uprate could go warp 4 cruise speed and a max of warp 5.6 and had 8 phase cannons, and 2 photon torpedoes. They were MONSTERS. The Poseidon had 10 phase cannons and 8 torpedo launchers homie…it was a destroyer pure and simply, it had more torpedo launchers compared to the romulan war uprated NX (which had 6) but the NX upgrade had 12 PULSED phase cannons, while the Poseidon had 10 regular phase cannons. The Yorktown is a terrifying monster for it’s time, 6 dual phase cannons (so essentially 12 pulse phase cannons) 2 phase cannons, 2 pulse phase cannons, and 8 photonic torpedo launchers.
>not an NX Miranda
>roll bar torpedo launcher
hmmmm
Technically Poseidon was actual evolution of NX, when Miranda was separate though related design (in fact two).
If we don't have a fleet doctrine. If we don't know what we're going to do, the enemy won't either.
Weren't NX refits already employed during the Romulan war? I thought there was a mix of both.
Great video, looking forward to the Romulan part next week.
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The main benefit of the refit is extended range and some initial shielding
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The Klingons and romulans have a very warrior culture and have a lot of people eager to fight. But a small number of people can orbital bombart or occupy the small areas of a planet you don’t bombart. So having a large and productive workforce, that can supply the small number of warriors is key in interplanetary war.
Romulans definitively were not warrior like. Though they did have excellent special forces. Klingons are complicated.
The Phobos is the Liberty Ships. During WW2 they pumped out hundreds of not thousands of the things. They main hauled cargo, but they did have guns. But just the bare minimum and like no armer. But damn are they easy cheap and quick to make
Think the the record for a liberty ship being built was six weeks
I would be down for some battle breakdowns.
@@foresta-2684 battle of hell's gate is a good UE-Roumlan battle.....be a interesting take using the new ships instead of SFM vessels
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Spock mentions that the Earth-Romulan War was fought with ancient rocket ships.
To a degree. Earth was using old ICBM's.
I was rewatching ENT, in episode of Archer in Quonos court the Klingon said they could have send a fleet to destroy the Earth, which made me curious as to how would Klingon war be different in the same time period. It`s not clear who`s more advantageous.
Also wish we could see Yorktown in action
A note on Romulan warp fuel of this time era.
I've done some research and calculations on how much fusion fuel is required to power a warp field at different warp factors.
The assumptions for these calculations are that the power curves found in the TNG tech manual are accurate across the board, not just for the Galaxy class. Clearly, this assumption is false but it's illuminating, regardless.
There re several fusion fuels and several fusion cycles for each fuel. In general, the more power you get from the fusion reaction, the harder it is to make it happen. Fusion of light-hydrogen gives the most energy of all fusion cycles but it is quite difficult. However, fusion fuels and cycles that are easy either don't give off much energy or the fuel is rare.
The best compromise I have found is to use deuterium as the main fuel. There are 5 deuterium fusion cycles that have any practicality, IMHO.
If the fusion cycle used is straight deuterium-deuterium (DD) -- where there is one (main) reaction results in helium3, tritium, protons and neutrons] -- then the maximum speed is likely to be in the warp 4 regime, as the 4wf power hump would require the fusion of 5.6kg of deuterium per second. This would allow for a continuous cruse of 4.7wf, assuming this amount of fuel could be fused continuously.
To supply deuterium at this rate continuously, a Bussard ram scoop would need to be 36 kilometers in radius to collect this much hydrogen from the average densities interstellar gas. This seems large. However, this also highlights the main advantage of using fusion to fuel your warp engine: the fuel is literally in your way, ready for collection. Meaning it would be perfectly possible to warp from one star to another without using any of the onboard fuel.
This, to my mind, explains why the Romulan military has such poor logistics infrastructure: they use in-situ resources.
Been waiting for this for awhile. I wonder what classification would the earth 22nd century starships fall under in 23rd century terms?
NX refits were classified as Destroyers. In 22'th century Earth simply was rarely using larger ships.
Phobos class is a cute little ship.
I've been working on a refit of the warp delta for after the war
The Delta Class Corvette:
5 phase cannons, 4 forward 1 aft
1 torpedo tube
1 additional deck
A deflector dish based on the intrepid type
Relocated the bridge to be centered on the haul
Warp 5 capable
Sorry to disappointing you, but Ganges class was largely disarmed. I don't think you could easily install deflector on them.
Also technically speaking. Though class was used until end of 22'th century. Being gradually replaced by refitted Daedalus. On military level it was practically replaced by NV (Intrepid type) and later Strider. What was basically saucerless NX, used as Frigate until 24'th century. Probably related also to Marklin class Destroyer, as intermediate form.
@@TheRezro I work off of a different head cannon, following what I think the show would have done. I dont think they would have designed a new model of the dadelous for the show, so the delta would've been used as the most common ship. I've just never liked the round sphere ship look and think they often look to oversized for the era
@@arcticshark1808 Ganges was evolution of Neptune (Emmett) class, what itself was most likely developed from Conestoga/Discovery. Those ships were already structural zombies from Warp 2 era. Archer order them after war purely due to low costs, as Earth was basically bankrupted. Daedalus was technically also refit of older civilian design. But unlike Delta, it was modular and they could be far easier upgraded, even with modern engines. Plus they were mass-produced by Bajkonur Shipyards. So that is why they actually survived longer then alternative.
After war Earth has access to Vulcan Warp 7. So most of they actually new ships were based on Bonaventure class.
Although a great video, Ive always liked the idea of the Romulan Empire at this point in history is becoming or already is a declining power, with them having been a dominant power in the pre-UE period. Domestically, the Romulans are having problems with internal strife, uprisings, corruption, economical breakdown and maybe even substantial humanitarian disasters on some of their core worlds resulting in a significant amount of Romulan refugees that needs management. The Praetor along with other influential families orchestrate the Romulan-Earth war for differing purposes, some control, some power, some wealth and others to distract the Empire from their ongoing problems. Almost a little like the problems the Cardassians faced but not close to as serious. This would mean limited supplies and resources for the Romulans war effort, even though they had access to large formations of ships, which would give them an initial advantage but cause problems long-term. Additionally, the reasons to why the Romulans go quiet after the war would make more sense, they are managing, rebuilding and reimagining their empire only feeling ready for large scale war later during the original series.
The end of the war would instead be a tragedy, UE forces assault one of the main or the main supply bases (dockyards whatever) only to find a massive humanitarian crisis going on. In this confusion the Praetors forces arrive and confronts the UE forces only to cause immense damage to the Romulan refugees, other Romulan military forces not in personal service to the Praetor maneuver to protect the civilians giving UE forces a chance to withdraw. This disaster completely destroys the Praetors legitimacy and exposes the true state of the war, a coup takes place and very quickly a truce along with a peace is negotiated which from the side of humanity seems out of the blue and sudden. Meaning you still have a military confrontation resulting from the deep strike but you can sprinkle in some more civilian assets to confuse the battle field.
Ive always thought the Romulans, Klingons or whoever otherwise dont really do much except being these massive threats that just cannot do anything substantial. Rather in the case of the Romulan-Earth war, Earth throws everything it has against a major force but who are overconfident and with limited resources. Almost by just luck winning a strategic victory that later gives the Federation the respite it needs to establish itself to stand against the giants of the Klingon and Romulan war machines that for so long has been dominant in the quadrant.
It's never too late
All these events haven't even happened yet! There's still another century or so until it happens.
Someone has to instigate a nuclear apocalypse first…
Btw shran is the GOAT of Enterprise. Shran would put the fear of God, Jennifer and Andorian Ale into the great link.