Yeah, it should have been like NG new life etc. But we know them all as fans an it's thus predictable. So should have focused politically more earlier.. covered things we've never seen like a proper romulan early attempt at takeover. An other races stronger than in the current season... But no it's the same old regurgitated scripts.
I believe this was the original plan but the show was cancelled by season 5. It would’ve concluded similarly to how the dominion war did at the very end of season seven of DS9.
Show was cancelled just as it was hitting its stride in Season 4. Apparently showcasing the Romulan War and a proper birth of the Federation was always the plan, along with having the Enterprise undergo a full NX-class refit which would have given it a secondary hull. Would have been great.
Yes. The huge DS9 battles felt more like Star Wars than Star Trek. Seeing Miranda class starships taken out by one or 2 shots from a Cardassian cruiser didn’t feel like Star Trek to me. It’s not like the Cardassian cruisers were Borg cubes. The Miranda class ship that Sisko served on during the Battle of Wolf 359 (in the DS9 pilot episode) lasted longer than that against a Borg cube.
Always struck me as odd most established races didn’t venture far from home. Vulcan, Andor, Tellar and Denobula all seemed concentrated on a single world. Humans by comparison grabbed and colonised any planet they stumbled upon. Perhaps that’s why they were seen as aggressive and dangerous. A new Klingon or Romulan Empire in the making.
Yes, there’s a big difference between travelling to other worlds (exploring) and settling on distant worlds (expanding and exploiting). Starfleet ships were therefore seen by some as scouts for waves of settlers.
I believe it is less to do with being aggressive and more to do with the fact that they had the other forces to deal with. Though the Denobulains and Vulcans were stated to be either slow or mostly uninterested in mass exploration. As for Tellar and Andor I think it was more the fact that they put a lot of their resources in their defense fleets and dealing with the other two of the three major races in the region.
@@TheRobsterUK Yes, the Europeans were of course the first and only colonists in earth history. There were no Genghis Khan, Cyrys the Persian or Tamerlane. But yeah, on the topic, it is a bit weird, since you would think that after reaching certain point of development, a civilization would always either run out of raw materials in their own homeplanet or get pulled to international (or interspace :) ) trade. We can of course argue that perhaps they were advanced and wise enough to make it with their home systems resources.
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You mean pushing a desperate enemy to the edge of destruction will only really piss him off to the point of doing insane things like going Kamikaze, since he nothing left to lose? I remember the Star Trek Lower Decks episode when they were attacked by mean Pakleds and Ensign Boimler suggested doing a Crazy Ivan attack move which was a game of chicken suicide run. The other bridge crew said he was nuts.
@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 Because when pushed into a corner humans warlike instincts we unleash the beast. We fight harder. We stop playing nice and we make the enemy pay dearly for every inch of ground Ask any Marine who fought in the South Pacific in WWII.
@@Shutterbug5269 Indeed it is. The Germans found out the hard way about how determined the Soviets were when they invaded in WW2. Stupid conquerors round up and execute the locals instead of being nice and recruiting the locals into your expanding Imperial military. Coopting the opposition to join your side replaces your war losses, to continue further conquests. Otherwise, you will be fighting everyone and anyone and that drags you down.
@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 They also found out the hard way what the imitations of blitzkrieg were... especially in a Russian winter. But back on topic: The Andorians, the Romulans, the Klingons and the Dominion all learned the hard way what happens when you push humans to the razor edge. Quark was right, we become as bloodthirsty as any klingon.
I liked the Xindi arch, although i though the time travel part was unessisary. I would have loved to have seen the romulan war ultimately uniting the federation and sending the romulans into hiding.
Read once that during the show's run someone brought up the Earth/Romulan War. One of the show leads said that he didn't want to do a "War" on the show because that was DS9's thing.
When I saw the Vertiron array on enterprise I thought to myself "if it can blow up asteroids cant it blow up starships?" The answer is ohhhh yeahhh it can.
If Enterprise hadn't farted around for two seasons doing monster of the week episodes and then wasted another on the Xindi war, we could have gotten the Romulan war and some real birth of the Federation content.
The original idea for season one wouldn't even have left the Sol system. The original pitch for Enterprise was going to be The Right Stuff in Star Trek and so season one would have been about building the NX-01, gathering and training the crew and all the political stuff surrounding it
Hey now, the episodic nature of Enterprise's exploratory mission was well in-line with Star Trek tradition. The Xindi weren't /too/ bad, but I do believe the Temporal Cold War was pointless and idiotic. They could have made things a lot better by having the Xindi be hired agents acting on orders from the Romulans, instead of some random dude from the future.
@@toreadum8ass TOS and Ent weren't the same show. TOS was Wagon Train To The Stars, Ent really SHOULD have been about the birth of the Federation and the Romulan War. Ent SHOULD have had an overarching plot A La B5.
Very well done. Of course, I am an old TOS hard-liner. I go strictly by by TOS lore which made plain (In the episodes Balance of Terror and Enterprise Incident) that the Romulans did not yet have the cloaking device during the 22nd century wars. Otherwise, very beautiful artwork over-layed with an engaging narrative.
Well in this lore it says that it's not "true" cloak, aka light bending cloak, it's a sensor cloak, making it hard to detect, kidna like modern stealth fighter's defence.
Romulans always got in the first shots because Star Fleet would never hit first, not even when their space was invaded. They, the Federation always had to take the first damage. That was the Romulan's biggest advantage. Also in the early years of conflict, the Romulans had better more advanced ships and greater numbers. They also had a time advantage, they were in space longer. The Federation caught up because they expanded through conversion of other cultures planets and systems. Others could join the Federation. That was not the case with the Romulans.
Man, if this is the level of defenses the Sol system had back then it kinda makes the Green attack on Earth in the Dominion War that much more impressive.
Well, it should also be noted the Breen showed and hit Earth. But none of them managed to actually LEAVE before Starfleet beat the shit out of them. The Breen might have showed up on the Federation's Doorstep, but they lost a pretty massive fleet to do so. This is also why the KDF was smart and never directly went for Earth. They full well know the Federation would drop the kid gloves and beat the crap out of them if they tried.
On the contrary, during the Wolf 359 encounter Starfleet put together in a very short interval 50 ships to intercept the Cube, which was substantially faster than any Starfleet ships, suggesting that there were likely hundreds of capital ships near Sol.
@@suzumiyaharuhi3438 remember though, that almost all of those ships were not even remotely powerful ships. Many were century old research ships or light cruisers/frigates that were obliterated almost instantly. The ships in the 22nd century were far more armed and lasted quite a bit longer wit fewer available
Enterprise was the last of what Star Trek was meant to be. It was an adventure in chronological order of what Gene Roddenberry called "Wagon train to the stars".
@@aerospacecadet9781although the Kelvin Trilogy is flawed, I wonder if it would be even better if the concept of it was used by people who knew how Star Trek works?
ive always had an issue with the original series stating that the romulan ship they encountered was impulse drive only. there is no way they the could have made it so far away from home and kept the original crew alive, unless they used some sort of stasis. personally, im glad enterprise corrected that blatant writing error. thanks for posting this i really would have loved to have seen enterprise cover this era. but i understand that many people would groan about the fact that they just saw a war story on DS9.
I've heard it explained that when Scotty said "Their power is simple impulse" that the key word is POWER. Apparently he was referring to just their power source, not drive type. On most later ships, Impulse engines are fusion powered warp engines are antimatter. But back in the day, before warp 4 or 5, even human ships powered their warp engines with fusion reactors. Antimatter is much more powerful, and by the TOS era it was so ubiquitous that they just referred to an antimatter drive as a "warp drive" cause it powers the warp engines. However, the romulans of this era still used fusion to power their warp engines. What scotty meant was "They won't be able to keep up with us, because their warp engines are powered by simple fusion, rather than antimatter."
It always got me that in the Star Trek series, it became canon that the Federation agreed to limit itself to not equipping ships with cloaking devices. That your two greatest threats, the Klingons and Romulans had all their ships such equipped and often operating engaging their cloaking devices even when on routine patrol was crazy the Fedetation gave up that technology in regular use by opponents. That is like the US giving up nukes when the Soviets kept theirs. Federation ships should have had cloaking devices. Another aspect of the Romulans and Klingons, they operated their ships in triumvirates. While even in war, the Federation operated their ships singly. If they had operated in tandem with other vessels, there would be no need for the Kobiashi Maru training scenario during Star Fleet Academy training. Also, I know it was a lazy writing device for story telling, but in reality, starships should have been much more hardened to take incoming phaser and photon torpedo fire. How stupid was it that after taking a few volleys of enemy fire, shields were almost gone and such. Just my done of my longtime dislikes of Star Trek story telling.
In the original series, you see the Enterprise engage both Romulans and Klingons in one-on-one battles. I guess the logical reason for not incorporating multiple ship patrols as the norm, is that it would've weighed down the story line and been a recurring nightmare for script writers.
In theory the warp deltas is very usefull for screening out torpedo boats. Laser cannons fire at light speed (duh), and with anything in visual range, it would be instantaneous destruction. And you could shoot down the torps, and thin out thier missile stock, then bring in the 'big guns' as the NX or Dedalus class and then disabled them.
Enjoyed this as I hoped to see this in the next season of Enterprise but sadly, it never got the chance. Now I just feel cheated out of what would've made ENT great like the moments of the Dominion war in DS9. I hope we get it one day, but I know that's not likely to ever happen. But, you got my subscription, good stuff!
Sadly, the actors have aged, and probably have moved on to something else. I don't think another season could be made anymore, even if the producers wanted to.
These are some amazing Battle Tactics. It only shows how incompetent Starfleet had become in the Battle of Wolf-359. I now ferverently believe that the Federation’s “Golden Age” was a period of Stagnation. THANK FUCK A GENERATION OF OFFICERS LOST THEIR INNOCENCE THAT DAY! Otherwise, Starfleet wouldn’t be prepared for the Dominion War
The romulan battlecruer sounds like the early battlecruers ( a ship with cruiser speed and armed with battleship grade guns but little armour) a cruiser killer
Interesting video. I've always wondered why the Romulan/ earth war was never depicted or shown in series or movies? It would suck after survivig world war 3 Earth would face aggression from an interstellar foe
so much potential for star trek tv shows, and yet we got a time traveling spin on a pole ship, with “hero’s” rather than normal star trek officers. the amount of topics in star trek lore that we dont see on a big screen, and these writers choose to keep making stuff up.
The problem with all these scenarios is that they are too 2-dimensional. Why come in along the ecliptic? Why are their lines of spaceships? If they want to bombard earth come in from all directions with a simultaneous attack. Was Captain Kirk the only one who could think in 3-D?
The only reason to pass by planets would be to use their gravity in speed up travel at impulse speeds or do more atrocities for funsies (if you're evil, of course).
I considered myself a "trekky" but I have come to realize I do not deserve to be called that ....there is so much trek I'm not familiar with , so many different story lines that I've not seem or heard . I stand corrected and humbled!! Maybe one day I can earn the status of "trekky"
a real shame, if you look at the props and costumes of DISCO you'd think it was a sequel to ENT. although Enterprise itself didn't get good till the 3rd season... fingers crossed?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 The only thing I didn't like about enterprise was the time travel which,based on the previous decades multiverse theories the producers supported,meant it ACTUALLY could never be considered the "true" timeline in which the original series existed. I now wish I had gave it the support it deserved. :( I gave up on STD by the second episode when it was clear they were using the franchise to push a SJW type message,which of course was later admitted to when they made a reference to "trump supporters" being the klingons,so even tho pike may have made the second season better as some say I for one will never support it.
yeah i don't understand why they felt the need for the whole time travel arc, it ends up being superfluous anyway. DISCO season 1 didn't feel like star trek it spent too much trying to be dark and edgy and left you with few likable characters. as for the political agenda if you watch seasons 1-2 of TNG they are also sometimes quite on the nose. weather season 3 will see a new direction i don't know but its not unusual for trek.
The Romulans tactics make no sense you would avoid maneuvering anywhere near planets . You would attack from from above the ecliptic so nobody could surprise and lob warp speed missiles at the earth and sun to Induce a large CME aimed at Earth.
The worst kind of enemy to have is the one who goes "Yep, they got us good. Let's learn from that and hit them back harder." when they lose. No ego getting in the way, no excuses, just acknowledgement and the drive to do better next time around.
Sol's asteroid belt is not dense enough to hide a fleet in or behind. It's called the asteroid belt because there are more asteroids there than elsewhere but that's a relative thing. There are a lot of Jovian moons but the ones big enough for a ship to hide behind are few, mostly just the four Galilean ones. They are never all that close to each other. At the sorts of velocities these ships would be moving at and the number of ships involved, and therefore the total width of the "sensor array" the enemy would have had a 5 ship squadron would have been hard pressed to hide in any of those moons shadows for long without a lot of EW help. As another commenter pointed out the outer planets are most unlikely to be neatly lined up like that ever (and why would a fleet drop out at Pluto anyway?). One of them might be in line with the Centauri system at any given time but the rest are likely to be elsewhere. A clever admiral would also drop out of warp well outside the planetary orbits and plot a course to avoid all of the planets except Earth allowing him to avoid any stations, sublight ships based at them etc. In open space D'deridex would have numbers and superior tech on his side. Humanity would need the Andorians or Vulcans to assist or face planetary bombardment.
Venom. You want to know what pissed me off about this whole war? And I think you would agree with it, this war happened before that stupid episode on enterprises of "these are the Voyages". I mean really? Season 5 with a 2 part tv movie about the war should have been the end of the series.
Enterprise should have had a full seven seasons like all other trek incarnations. But no, it was axed. Like so many great shows of that era, taken too soon.
And 6 inches apart, lol. I think that graphic is the one that shows how all the planets in the solar system can actually fit in the space between Earth and the Moon.
Why would NX-04 be Constellation? The naming convention was clearly going with space shuttle names in the order the shuttles were constructed. NX-04 would be Discovery. Also you said NX-04 twice and called it Excalibur the second time.
Thank you developing an entertaining canonical accurate depictions of the Roluman War. Yesterday, I watched the videos on the fan film, The Romulan War. Great ships and decent graphics, but it’s story was total garbage. You brilliant merged the mess left by ST Enterprises and incorporated the designs from Starfleet museum. CBS/Paramount should make a limited series based off your depiction.
your too kind. the Romulan war has far more Production value than i could ever dream of. and i think the story is interesting and quite different, so long as it has a good pay off. ships wise i absolutely love the Romulan missile carrier and i wish i had included it.
uh, the Romulans only had Impulse Drives and would never have travelled too far from their home territory, certainly not as far as Earth (10000 years at Impulse).
You do such a great job of this. But I am unable to watch them in order. They are not numbered, i just watch them randomly as they shown up on my time line.
Well I hope it taught Starfleet that they needed to kick ship building into extreme overdrive. Having so few ships to defend your planet is ridiculous. If it were some sort of game I would be building ships left and right at different planets in case of an attack on one. Major recourses would have gone into building a fleet so large no one would want to even try to attack.
I really enjoyed this style of presentation. It’s like reading a really engaging work of science fiction. Are your productions Star Trek canon, or are they your own own stories?
I always thought a telepathic tool was odd for the Romulans Since they had burned out the ones they had getting to Romulas centuries earlier. Not their thing.
This entire war would have been one hell of a Enterprise season.
And probably would have saved the series too
It would have done a lot better than that temporal cold war nonsense :)
Yeah, it should have been like NG new life etc. But we know them all as fans an it's thus predictable.
So should have focused politically more earlier.. covered things we've never seen like a proper romulan early attempt at takeover.
An other races stronger than in the current season... But no it's the same old regurgitated scripts.
@@gusty9053 Absolutely! The temporal war thing really need its own multi-season arc to be done right.
Yup.
Enterprise needed more season to depict the Romulan war just like DS9 did with the Dominion war
Agreed big time
Four NX ships, a refitted NX-01, and Reed getting his own vessel with Mayweather as his first officer. They had a lot of plans if the show continued
I believe this was the original plan but the show was cancelled by season 5. It would’ve concluded similarly to how the dominion war did at the very end of season seven of DS9.
Season 3 ruined it.
New title star trek crisis and conflicts in the 22 century based on the Cuban missile crisis style
Enterprise should've had a fifth and six season dealing with the Romulans!
Yes! A whole war, DS9 style with "Admiral" Archer! Probably could have been the best star trek series of all had they done that!
Season 1 should of started 1 year b4 the Romulan War.
Agreed
Show was cancelled just as it was hitting its stride in Season 4. Apparently showcasing the Romulan War and a proper birth of the Federation was always the plan, along with having the Enterprise undergo a full NX-class refit which would have given it a secondary hull. Would have been great.
I think they were going to that (in a similar fashion like DS9's Dominion War) but sadly it was cancelled.🤬🤬🤬
I love the older stories where it's so few ships, where really a lose is true, compared to DS9 era where thousands of ships are involved.
its also easier to convey on screen.
Yes. The huge DS9 battles felt more like Star Wars than Star Trek.
Seeing Miranda class starships taken out by one or 2 shots from a Cardassian cruiser didn’t feel like Star Trek to me. It’s not like the Cardassian cruisers were Borg cubes. The Miranda class ship that Sisko served on during the Battle of Wolf 359 (in the DS9 pilot episode) lasted longer than that against a Borg cube.
@@timonsolus dude they lacked the budget to show shields
Thank goodness the planets were aligned perfectly to defend Earth.
Gotta keep there little brother safe
The Four Years War would be another fun one to see.
Always struck me as odd most established races didn’t venture far from home. Vulcan, Andor, Tellar and Denobula all seemed concentrated on a single world. Humans by comparison grabbed and colonised any planet they stumbled upon. Perhaps that’s why they were seen as aggressive and dangerous. A new Klingon or Romulan Empire in the making.
Yes, there’s a big difference between travelling to other worlds (exploring) and settling on distant worlds (expanding and exploiting). Starfleet ships were therefore seen by some as scouts for waves of settlers.
I believe it is less to do with being aggressive and more to do with the fact that they had the other forces to deal with. Though the Denobulains and Vulcans were stated to be either slow or mostly uninterested in mass exploration. As for Tellar and Andor I think it was more the fact that they put a lot of their resources in their defense fleets and dealing with the other two of the three major races in the region.
All that and looking at our history e.g. European colonisation of the Americas, Africa etc....I'd be worried too! :D
@@TheRobsterUK Yes, the Europeans were of course the first and only colonists in earth history. There were no Genghis Khan, Cyrys the Persian or Tamerlane.
But yeah, on the topic, it is a bit weird, since you would think that after reaching certain point of development, a civilization would always either run out of raw materials in their own homeplanet or get pulled to international (or interspace :) ) trade. We can of course argue that perhaps they were advanced and wise enough to make it with their home systems resources.
@@TheRobsterUK witch they did while the ottoman empire was breathing down there necks.
Excellent job once again. I know it's been over 15 years but I sure would like to see Enterprise return for at least a couple more seasons
Against either the Romulans or the Kzinti.
I agree with Francesco, this would be a good story plot for Enterprise series.
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As Shran once remarked to Soval:
"Never push the pink skins to the thin ice."
'When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard' - Sun Tzu
You mean pushing a desperate enemy to the edge of destruction will only really piss him off to the point of doing insane things like going Kamikaze, since he nothing left to lose? I remember the Star Trek Lower Decks episode when they were attacked by mean Pakleds and Ensign Boimler suggested doing a Crazy Ivan attack move which was a game of chicken suicide run. The other bridge crew said he was nuts.
@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 Because when pushed into a corner humans warlike instincts we unleash the beast. We fight harder. We stop playing nice and we make the enemy pay dearly for every inch of ground
Ask any Marine who fought in the South Pacific in WWII.
@@Shutterbug5269 Indeed it is. The Germans found out the hard way about how determined the Soviets were when they invaded in WW2. Stupid conquerors round up and execute the locals instead of being nice and recruiting the locals into your expanding Imperial military. Coopting the opposition to join your side replaces your war losses, to continue further conquests. Otherwise, you will be fighting everyone and anyone and that drags you down.
@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 They also found out the hard way what the imitations of blitzkrieg were... especially in a Russian winter.
But back on topic: The Andorians, the Romulans, the Klingons and the Dominion all learned the hard way what happens when you push humans to the razor edge. Quark was right, we become as bloodthirsty as any klingon.
I think something like this would have been far better than the xindi storyline in enterprise. I think its a shame something like this wasnt done.
Ratings for Enterprise was too low, this is why tbere are only 4 seasons
I liked the Xindi arch, although i though the time travel part was unessisary. I would have loved to have seen the romulan war ultimately uniting the federation and sending the romulans into hiding.
Read once that during the show's run someone brought up the Earth/Romulan War. One of the show leads said that he didn't want to do a "War" on the show because that was DS9's thing.
The Xindi arc was why I quit watching the show they wasted a whole season on it.
The xindi storyline was a huge mistake.
I get it, so the Romulan's 24th century flagship class was named after the admiral.
Watching this makes me wish Enterprise had continued.
I'm still pissed off at those writers. You do know the war happens before that stupid episode of "these are the Voyages"?
So much they can do pre Kirk.
Pike please!!! Q I heart you!!
When I saw the Vertiron array on enterprise I thought to myself "if it can blow up asteroids cant it blow up starships?" The answer is ohhhh yeahhh it can.
too bad the romulans didn't watch that episode.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 They got distracted watching the 'decontamination scenes' in the historical records.
I'm so glad someone is doing this in a easy to follow way.
Shame we never got to see this in what wouldve been season 5 of enterprise
What season 5 of enterprise should have been.
Ikr
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My first thoughts when you were at the part "They fell back to Mars", were "Oh man, I hope they use the Vertiron Array." I was not disappointed. Lol.
Wow. I never knew it was that close. Just a handful of ships standing between Earth and utter destruction.
I ate it up..Well done! This would've made a great storyline over multiple seasons of Enterprise..The Romulan-Earth Wars.
If Enterprise hadn't farted around for two seasons doing monster of the week episodes and then wasted another on the Xindi war, we could have gotten the Romulan war and some real birth of the Federation content.
The original idea for season one wouldn't even have left the Sol system. The original pitch for Enterprise was going to be The Right Stuff in Star Trek and so season one would have been about building the NX-01, gathering and training the crew and all the political stuff surrounding it
Hey now, the episodic nature of Enterprise's exploratory mission was well in-line with Star Trek tradition. The Xindi weren't /too/ bad, but I do believe the Temporal Cold War was pointless and idiotic. They could have made things a lot better by having the Xindi be hired agents acting on orders from the Romulans, instead of some random dude from the future.
@@toreadum8ass TOS and Ent weren't the same show. TOS was Wagon Train To The Stars, Ent really SHOULD have been about the birth of the Federation and the Romulan War. Ent SHOULD have had an overarching plot A La B5.
Ironically, it wasnt some random guy from the future but Archer himself from the future.
TOS wasnt made with the concept of a legacy in mind.
Very well done. Of course, I am an old TOS hard-liner. I go strictly by by TOS lore which made plain (In the episodes Balance of Terror and Enterprise Incident) that the Romulans did not yet have the cloaking device during the 22nd century wars. Otherwise, very beautiful artwork over-layed with an engaging narrative.
Well in this lore it says that it's not "true" cloak, aka light bending cloak, it's a sensor cloak, making it hard to detect, kidna like modern stealth fighter's defence.
Romulans always got in the first shots because Star Fleet would never hit first, not even when their space was invaded. They, the Federation always had to take the first damage. That was the Romulan's biggest advantage. Also in the early years of conflict, the Romulans had better more advanced ships and greater numbers. They also had a time advantage, they were in space longer. The Federation caught up because they expanded through conversion of other cultures planets and systems. Others could join the Federation. That was not the case with the Romulans.
And Starfleet always has slow phasers they need fast more powerful phasers as fast as the romulan and klingons.
That's contradicted in season 1 of TNG, which is canon. This series, and everything after, is not canon.
Man, if this is the level of defenses the Sol system had back then it kinda makes the Green attack on Earth in the Dominion War that much more impressive.
Well, it should also be noted the Breen showed and hit Earth. But none of them managed to actually LEAVE before Starfleet beat the shit out of them. The Breen might have showed up on the Federation's Doorstep, but they lost a pretty massive fleet to do so. This is also why the KDF was smart and never directly went for Earth. They full well know the Federation would drop the kid gloves and beat the crap out of them if they tried.
I think the timing and variety of music in these videos is rare and wonderful in comparison to most.
You know, it still amazes me that Sol was more heavily defended in the 22 century than it EVER was in the 24 century.
true but when you can only do warp 3 leaving home isn't as tempting a prospect.
On the contrary, during the Wolf 359 encounter Starfleet put together in a very short interval 50 ships to intercept the Cube, which was substantially faster than any Starfleet ships, suggesting that there were likely hundreds of capital ships near Sol.
@@suzumiyaharuhi3438 remember though, that almost all of those ships were not even remotely powerful ships. Many were century old research ships or light cruisers/frigates that were obliterated almost instantly. The ships in the 22nd century were far more armed and lasted quite a bit longer wit fewer available
@@ThePuppywolf Your logic is flawed, the 359 ships performed poorly because they were pitted against a Borg cube, which is massive and more advanced.
@@ThePuppywolf Mind you that prior to the Coliation of Planets Starfleet ships didn't even have shields.
You're good at mixing these together considering most people disregard that old canon/side canon or the new canon.
I always thought that instead of all the Kelvin timeline garbage, movies should have included the cast of Enterprise covering the Earth - Romulan war!
would have been nice although by that time the mainstream audience had been lost. remember ENT wasn't that popular which is a shame.
Enterprise was the last of what Star Trek was meant to be. It was an adventure in chronological order of what Gene Roddenberry called "Wagon train to the stars".
@@aerospacecadet9781although the Kelvin Trilogy is flawed, I wonder if it would be even better if the concept of it was used by people who knew how Star Trek works?
ive always had an issue with the original series stating that the romulan ship they encountered was impulse drive only. there is no way they the could have made it so far away from home and kept the original crew alive, unless they used some sort of stasis. personally, im glad enterprise corrected that blatant writing error. thanks for posting this i really would have loved to have seen enterprise cover this era. but i understand that many people would groan about the fact that they just saw a war story on DS9.
I've heard it explained that when Scotty said "Their power is simple impulse" that the key word is POWER. Apparently he was referring to just their power source, not drive type. On most later ships, Impulse engines are fusion powered warp engines are antimatter. But back in the day, before warp 4 or 5, even human ships powered their warp engines with fusion reactors. Antimatter is much more powerful, and by the TOS era it was so ubiquitous that they just referred to an antimatter drive as a "warp drive" cause it powers the warp engines. However, the romulans of this era still used fusion to power their warp engines. What scotty meant was "They won't be able to keep up with us, because their warp engines are powered by simple fusion, rather than antimatter."
It always got me that in the Star Trek series, it became canon that the Federation agreed to limit itself to not equipping ships with cloaking devices. That your two greatest threats, the Klingons and Romulans had all their ships such equipped and often operating engaging their cloaking devices even when on routine patrol was crazy the Fedetation gave up that technology in regular use by opponents. That is like the US giving up nukes when the Soviets kept theirs. Federation ships should have had cloaking devices. Another aspect of the Romulans and Klingons, they operated their ships in triumvirates. While even in war, the Federation operated their ships singly. If they had operated in tandem with other vessels, there would be no need for the Kobiashi Maru training scenario during Star Fleet Academy training. Also, I know it was a lazy writing device for story telling, but in reality, starships should have been much more hardened to take incoming phaser and photon torpedo fire. How stupid was it that after taking a few volleys of enemy fire, shields were almost gone and such. Just my done of my longtime dislikes of Star Trek story telling.
In the original series, you see the Enterprise engage both Romulans and Klingons in one-on-one battles. I guess the logical reason for not incorporating multiple ship patrols as the norm, is that it would've weighed down the story line and been a recurring nightmare for script writers.
Special effects were limited during the TOS-Period. There was just not the budget to blow 100s of models up.
@@caseyferrill6953 i always just assumed starfleet ships are powerful enough to be able to operate alone.
Like I said in the live chat, five stars. Awesome. More asap.
I have always believed the Romulan story was a missed opportunity for a star trek series.
They were building to it in ENT, but they were cancelled before they could finish it.
17 years later & I’m still pissed
In theory the warp deltas is very usefull for screening out torpedo boats. Laser cannons fire at light speed (duh), and with anything in visual range, it would be instantaneous destruction. And you could shoot down the torps, and thin out thier missile stock, then bring in the 'big guns' as the NX or Dedalus class and then disabled them.
The Romulan war needs to be one of the next series we get.
Enjoyed this as I hoped to see this in the next season of Enterprise but sadly, it never got the chance. Now I just feel cheated out of what would've made ENT great like the moments of the Dominion war in DS9. I hope we get it one day, but I know that's not likely to ever happen. But, you got my subscription, good stuff!
Sadly, the actors have aged, and probably have moved on to something else. I don't think another season could be made anymore, even if the producers wanted to.
🖖😎👍This truly would of been totally great for season 5 of Enterprise along with the NX-01 Refit design of the Enterprise indeed!,👌.
Very well done!! I can't wait for the next episode!!!
These are some amazing Battle Tactics. It only shows how incompetent Starfleet had become in the Battle of Wolf-359. I now ferverently believe that the Federation’s “Golden Age” was a period of Stagnation. THANK FUCK A GENERATION OF OFFICERS LOST THEIR INNOCENCE THAT DAY! Otherwise, Starfleet wouldn’t be prepared for the Dominion War
That..... Was glorious my friend, good work and thank you for bringing this to us in such a masterful manor.
🖖😎👍Very nicely well done and very well informatively executed and explained very well nicely indeed 👌.
Well done. The early battles and technological advancements they took advantage of or were born of the battles always interested me.
I'd love to see this one! I really do want to see this particular video story you apparently have cooking up.
Nice , kudos to all involved .Thank you.
I didn`t realize that Euderion pics were those nice.I love me some Euderion.LLAP
yeah he really is a talented artist.
The romulan battlecruer sounds like the early battlecruers ( a ship with cruiser speed and armed with battleship grade guns but little armour) a cruiser killer
Awfully lucky for Earth that all the planets of the system were so conveniently lined up so the running battle could be fought around planets.
Fantastic work! This channel is criminally under-viewed.
Interesting video. I've always wondered why the Romulan/ earth war was never depicted or shown in series or movies? It would suck after survivig world war 3 Earth would face aggression from an interstellar foe
Great storyline ❤
Great work! This was well worth the wait. Waiting on the next episode to see how the humans kicked romulan ass!
so much potential for star trek tv shows, and yet we got a time traveling spin on a pole ship, with “hero’s” rather than normal star trek officers. the amount of topics in star trek lore that we dont see on a big screen, and these writers choose to keep making stuff up.
This would make an epic season but I don’t know how it’ll work now unless the main ship isn’t the enterprise
The problem with all these scenarios is that they are too 2-dimensional. Why come in along the ecliptic? Why are their lines of spaceships? If they want to bombard earth come in from all directions with a simultaneous attack. Was Captain Kirk the only one who could think in 3-D?
The only reason to pass by planets would be to use their gravity in speed up travel at impulse speeds or do more atrocities for funsies (if you're evil, of course).
a Verteron array from Venus? TWO PLANETS and MILLIONS OF MILES AWAY? That's a HELL of a weapon! PUHLEASE!
I considered myself a "trekky" but I have come to realize I do not deserve to be called that ....there is so much trek I'm not familiar with , so many different story lines that I've not seem or heard . I stand corrected and humbled!! Maybe one day I can earn the status of "trekky"
you have done Fine work sir. indeed I am entertained excited for the next episode!
That tune that started right at the end of the video. goddamn its sooo good.
Great job, loved it, keep up the good work!
While this was going on trip Tucker was in the Romulan Empire working undercover for section 31
That is a fantastic speech he gave after a less than successful attack.
1812 overture was very appropriate here.
If Enterprise focused on this instead of the awful Xindi arch it would've lasted a few more seasons
The Xindi arc was a helluva lot better than seasons 1 and 2, though.
@@Swiftbowyeah, and it was truly when Enterprise began to take off.
What a great series.
I love watching these. Thank you!
There's more real star trek in this video then a whole SEASON of STD.
a real shame, if you look at the props and costumes of DISCO you'd think it was a sequel to ENT. although Enterprise itself didn't get good till the 3rd season... fingers crossed?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 The only thing I didn't like about enterprise was the time travel which,based on the previous decades multiverse theories the producers supported,meant it ACTUALLY could never be considered the "true" timeline in which the original series existed.
I now wish I had gave it the support it deserved. :(
I gave up on STD by the second episode when it was clear they were using the franchise to push a SJW type message,which of course was later admitted to when they made a reference to "trump supporters" being the klingons,so even tho pike may have made the second season better as some say I for one will never support it.
yeah i don't understand why they felt the need for the whole time travel arc, it ends up being superfluous anyway. DISCO season 1 didn't feel like star trek it spent too much trying to be dark and edgy and left you with few likable characters. as for the political agenda if you watch seasons 1-2 of TNG they are also sometimes quite on the nose. weather season 3 will see a new direction i don't know but its not unusual for trek.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Believe me I WANT some good star trek in my life but....
Shrug.
Thanks for the response. :)
The Daedlas ships were cruisers set out for exploration at that time.
Good job guys! I was entertained.
WOW This is cool. when will the move come out
The Romulans tactics make no sense you would avoid maneuvering anywhere near planets .
You would attack from from above the ecliptic so nobody could surprise and lob warp speed missiles at the earth and sun to Induce a large CME aimed at Earth.
Very well Told. Quite a coincidence that all the planets were lined up on the same side of the sun..
Some of those Romulan ships look like Thunderbird 2.
if people want me to do wings episodes on Thunderbirds/captain scarlet vehicles please let me know.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 , I actually would like to see that very much, VGM98.
I love the vids. Something I notice is that you go from from admiral to captain archer.
The worst kind of enemy to have is the one who goes "Yep, they got us good. Let's learn from that and hit them back harder." when they lose. No ego getting in the way, no excuses, just acknowledgement and the drive to do better next time around.
Man you know you have pretty awesome vids on your channel!!
so i've been told
The speech at the end was Amazing
Sol's asteroid belt is not dense enough to hide a fleet in or behind. It's called the asteroid belt because there are more asteroids there than elsewhere but that's a relative thing.
There are a lot of Jovian moons but the ones big enough for a ship to hide behind are few, mostly just the four Galilean ones. They are never all that close to each other. At the sorts of velocities these ships would be moving at and the number of ships involved, and therefore the total width of the "sensor array" the enemy would have had a 5 ship squadron would have been hard pressed to hide in any of those moons shadows for long without a lot of EW help.
As another commenter pointed out the outer planets are most unlikely to be neatly lined up like that ever (and why would a fleet drop out at Pluto anyway?). One of them might be in line with the Centauri system at any given time but the rest are likely to be elsewhere. A clever admiral would also drop out of warp well outside the planetary orbits and plot a course to avoid all of the planets except Earth allowing him to avoid any stations, sublight ships based at them etc. In open space D'deridex would have numbers and superior tech on his side. Humanity would need the Andorians or Vulcans to assist or face planetary bombardment.
Awesome story Good Job for its creation
Great story- would love to have see this
Nice work all around
Nice. I enjoyed your work. Thank you.
Venom. You want to know what pissed me off about this whole war? And I think you would agree with it, this war happened before that stupid episode on enterprises of "these are the Voyages". I mean really? Season 5 with a 2 part tv movie about the war should have been the end of the series.
Enterprise should have had a full seven seasons like all other trek incarnations. But no, it was axed. Like so many great shows of that era, taken too soon.
@@Alphasiera1701 no not really I see a 6th season the two season should have covered the earth-romulan war.
So the rommies zig-zagged across the whole Sol system visiting each planet
Great stuff
It would be cool if you or someone could help you to make your battlespace into online games to play the scenarios you had for star trek
im certainly game for any modders/indy devs
Interesting that all the planets seem to be in line for that last battle.
And 6 inches apart, lol. I think that graphic is the one that shows how all the planets in the solar system can actually fit in the space between Earth and the Moon.
This would have been so much better than discovery...
Discovery put my love of Trek in the ICU. The prognosis is not good. I may have to pull the plug.....Damn you Disney!
Great video keep up the good work!!!
Good work! You kept my attention. No, no, I have trouble staying focused.
cant wait til the battle of cheron
Why would NX-04 be Constellation? The naming convention was clearly going with space shuttle names in the order the shuttles were constructed. NX-04 would be Discovery. Also you said NX-04 twice and called it Excalibur the second time.
Thank you developing an entertaining canonical accurate depictions of the Roluman War. Yesterday, I watched the videos on the fan film, The Romulan War. Great ships and decent graphics, but it’s story was total garbage. You brilliant merged the mess left by ST Enterprises and incorporated the designs from Starfleet museum. CBS/Paramount should make a limited series based off your depiction.
your too kind. the Romulan war has far more Production value than i could ever dream of. and i think the story is interesting and quite different, so long as it has a good pay off. ships wise i absolutely love the Romulan missile carrier and i wish i had included it.
uh, the Romulans only had Impulse Drives and would never have travelled too far from their home territory, certainly not as far as Earth (10000 years at Impulse).
I think that should be reckoned. Yes they do have warp capabilities
You done a great job.
You do such a great job of this. But I am unable to watch them in order. They are not numbered, i just watch them randomly as they shown up on my time line.
here's the full playlist th-cam.com/play/PLjNbxX7w4eoimvVR5l2FsQtl92v3ds4pR.html
Well I hope it taught Starfleet that they needed to kick ship building into extreme overdrive. Having so few ships to defend your planet is ridiculous. If it were some sort of game I would be building ships left and right at different planets in case of an attack on one. Major recourses would have gone into building a fleet so large no one would want to even try to attack.
9:22 wow Communist Starfleet confirmed? Can’t wait for Winnie the Pooh to make an appearance
A really amazing video I enjoyed it very much
THE DATE WAS 2156. THE PLACE: BABYLON 5!
Fortunately, this battle of Sol went better than the one in B5
@@weldonwin any chance of you doing B5?!
*☼ real fun. nice one. star wars foreva man.*
Excellent your work is amazing 👍🏽
Interesting choice to use the 3rd movement of Beethoven’s 5th Symphony for part of the background music
I really enjoyed this style of presentation. It’s like reading a really engaging work of science fiction. Are your productions Star Trek canon, or are they your own own stories?
I always thought a telepathic tool was odd for the Romulans Since they had burned out the ones they had getting to Romulas centuries earlier. Not their thing.