You can add Donald Trump to that shitlist. He gave white nationalists a voice on the grand stage & as usual the UK follows in the footsteps of the USA. It's taken 8 years, but it was always inevitable.
Farage making provocative videos asking "is there something we're not being told?" is so dangerous and disingenuous and he knows it. He's an MP now FFS and the right place to ask those questions is in Parliament.
Stretched resources from mass immigration results in large class sizes, less contact hours more kids/people fall through the cracks. Again neither major party has a solution.
@@crose7412 Just because you went to a school, doesn't mean you recieved an education. That could be because for a number of reasons but many schools in the UK are in a dreadful state as is the entire education system.
Not really It's the right wing establishment setting it's useful idiots on us for daring to reject Nigel and his beloved Tories I mean if anyone cared they would notice right wing violence far exceeds crimes by immigrants You seem terriblely naive
It's all to do with us having a Labour Government and Farage promising a far right utopia and delivering bug..r all. This is insurgence. The far right have no interest at all in those poor little girls murdered in Southport. Their violence made a grieving community's pain much worse...
My dad went down the right wing rabbit hole a few years ago, started reading the Daily Mail then got into all the far right conspiracy YT channels. There’s no talking to him anymore. I try to explain and debunk some ludicrous thing he read online (refugees being given expensive cars for example) but even after you’ve proved him wrong to the point he acknowledges he’s wrong he’ll just move on to another talking point and quickly forgot he was wrong about the previous one.
We live in France and our children are born here. Had to explain to my mother that her granddaughter cancelled her erasmus in UK due to Brexit. My father voted to leave . They were speechless and they ́ever see their grandchildren.
Thing is my dad has been to jail for drugs and spent years on the dole. When the right wing press isn’t targeting immigrants/muslims he’s the sort of person they’d target: benefits scroungers/chavs etc. I try to explain to him they’re talking about him, he’s the one being demonised but he can’t see it. Then I’m mixed race and my wife and his grandkids aren’t white and so most of his family are the ones being demonised in all this propaganda. I’ll literally say “so you want your grandkids and daughter in law deported do you?” Realisation is there for a few seconds but I know once he gets back online it’s all forgotten again by the next day.
I also have a mate very much like this. His whole family are like it and they have a fondness for the likes of Farage and Robinson and parrot the phrase that “Enoch Powell was right all along”, given up trying to get through to them. Honestly it’s easier just to ignore it, you can’t change people with hands on their ears going “Lalalalala” whenever you try to tell them that their ‘heroes’ are awful people.
Facts don’t seem to matter to them. There’s a channel called Stumping Trumpists that discusses how to deal with them. I’m not sure that I’ll dare to try what he suggests but I’m finding it useful to understand them better.
One of the reasons theres a lots of asylum seekers up north and the midlands is because the hotels there are much cheaper the tories stopped processing asylum claims in 2021, so now we have a huge build up of migrants waiting for processing - they had to have somewhere to put them so cheap hotels were used. Process the poor sods and let them work if they can stay, or eject them if they can't.
@mjwilliamsb2676 Also it keeps them away from Tory voters by disproportionately housing them in Labour area's sowing yet more division for the right to capitalise on.
Those aren't the best hotels despite being modern, purpose built and part of a chain, and the services and food aren't what the usual paying guests receive. Express by Holiday Inn is the cheapest version of the Holiday Inn. It is more like an Ibis or Travelodge hotel. When they were used as quarantine hotels in the pandemic people hated their time there.
Vulnerable and powerless? What like little kids at dance classes or at pop concerts? Groups of men drugging them and ‘passing them around’? Is that not cowardly and insane?
This is has been stoked up by the devisive GBNews for years. These idiots have put up with 14 years of Tories now all of sudden they've had enough, this is political.
But this lot voted for the Tories and Brexit. They are probably uneducated and totally gullible and it's far easier to go along with the right wing agenda that it's always the foreigner's fault than admit they were stupid, taken for a ride and responsible for the situation the country now finds itself. I also believe they genuinely thought Reform would win the election and approve some form of genocide.
@@vanmantalksWhile people like you celebrate the erosion of our nation, wake up muppet and look what happened to India. It's poorly educated 'van men' lol like you with no knowledge of history or geopolitics who we should be confronting. Stick to clogging up our roads because that's all you're fit for.
These rioters are made up of three groups: the far right, criminal opportunists and spectators "out for a laugh". Speculating on the root cause of this mob violence is a valuable pursuit some of us should have started earlier when it could've been stopped or dealt with, but if you're on the receiving end of a mob, you don't ask yourself "what is their motivation?" The depressing thing is that most of us on either side of the artificially media created political gulf saw this coming ages ago.
I completely agree with you with regards to the social media problem here. I recently lost a friend to the far right propoganda. This was a guy I shared a house with about 10 years ago and I slowly watched his facebook post getting more and more unhinged. I tried telling him how this was all propoganda to pad the wallets of the the instigators, but he refused to listen. I unfriended him when he posted an "Enoch Powell was right" meme.I really don't understand how people don't see the irony of a Btitish immigrant living in Spain, telling people in the Uk that immigration is bad. I really hope the Spanish treat Yaxley-Lennon the way he treats immigrants here.
I had the same problem with a couple of my close mates - 2 brothers got sucked into andrew tate, matrix, incel stuff. It was so depressing to watch. I also had another mae who fully believes the earth is flat which sounds funny but it has altered his social life negatively. Social Media is dangerous.
Because they view them as the 'right kind of immigrant' I mean they literally call them expats to differentiate them. Sadly, the thought architecture of fascism is mantric. It has to be, to be able to withstand any kind of logical analysis that would render their beliefs absolutely ridiculous.
@@jamesscott5603 Very odd, the flat earthers. Never observed a slit moon in my whole life. One would have thought that, occasionally, the Earth would provide a edge-on shadow and provide a slit moon. No such phenomena has yet occurred. As I said, odd! . . . . Perhaps they're wrong?
Whenever I see or hear people quoting Powell, they rarely do so in proper context. Powell was anti imperialist. He knew all about the English 'whip hand' extended in the Raj in defense of colonialism. Aside from some colorful language, his Rivers of Blood Speech (a phrase never actually uttered and attributed by someone else) is entirely about this issue. The racist right wing always misunderstand him, largely due to their own ignorance.
Generally yes I'd agree, but don't forget that it was the trades unions that also participated in whipping people up into believing that foreigners were coming to take their jobs. So I don't think either side is completely blameless for the sometimes poor attitude in the UK to foreigners. But I will say that generally it has been the right that has been responsible for the hate speech against foreigners.
Right wingnuts see themselves as perpetual victims, pretty sure it's a type of BDSM, yet they're possibly the least victimised demographic that has ever existed. It's quite honestly pathetic.
I don’t understand the mentality of these rioters at all. I can understand people being angry and falling for the far right rhetoric that immigrants are to blame, but what do they hope to achieve by rioting? A lot of them will end up in prison. When they are locked in their cells contemplating their future, will they think it was worth it? They have ruined their lives for nothing.
In a way it's better that we don't understand their mentality. Blessed even. Who would ever willingly want to know that kind of extreme hate and arrogance burning through their mind?
I do think there are serious issues with migration and illegal immigrants but it has been created by the previous government firstly not being honest about how much public services now rely upon workers from overseas, and secondly refusing to deal with asylum seeker claims the right way. I think all foreign workers currently in the UK should go on a two week strike and remind people of their contributions to the UK !!
That is a great idea! The media doesn’t educate people on the value of people who came here, either ignores them or vilifies them if they need to distract people from the siphoning of the wealth from the true wealth creators, working people.
@@keithparker1346Keith, you're trolling everyone. We get it, you're a supporter of the terrorist gangs smashing up our streets, and trying to burn down buildings full of terrified people. I've always taken a dim view of terrorism and attempted mass murder, and you're here trying to justify it. Good luck with that.😂
@@TinaBUTCHER-ph1phOh let's ban social media then eh? Stasi Starmer has really got the poorly educated lefties like you riled up talk about useful idiots. Lets introduce a police state and do away with all rights of those of us who aren't immigrants. Who will pay your benefits every month if us working Brits put down our tools?
It's a product of generations of selective breeding. You don't get to own the biggest and one of the most brutal empires the world has ever seen, without a fair sized pool of violent thugs to mindlessly enforce the orders of their betters.Oh, that and alcohol. Gin was crucial to the empire.
Trevor Noah did a marvellous routine about this and finished it by comparing the current ignorant right wing views to that of most 'Common wealth' nations Look it up if you haven't already.
I live in Hull. On Saturday we had our annual urban music festival. All emerging local and regional bands, on the Marina. Attracts 15-20k people every year. It was brilliant and peaceful. Less than a mile away, riots and looting. Bonkers
The video of English men turning an intersection into a racial purity checkpoint was especially disturbing. The mob around them was cheering them on. Cops stood by without a care in the world. The other headline stories -immigrant sanctuary siege, rioting, looting, vandalism are all terrible, but still within the limits of what civil society can recover from. But a racial purity checkpoint is straight up fascist and makes one worry for the future of England.
@@adblocker276I think it was Rotherham. They were letting white drivers through but stopping everyone else. They dragged one poor Asian taxi driver out of his car, and beat him in the street. This is outright fascism. It's not just some annoyed people with an axe to grind, it's actual, full on Nazi fascism, in England, in broad daylight. And they complain when they're called far right.
The irony of all this is immigration has gotten worse under the Tories, not least because we have a demographics crisis created by policies like 2 child benefit, the worst childcare costs in the world, children raised in poverty have actually risen over the last 14 years (by 1300 every day). They have gaslight the public, they've invoked culture wars, blamed migrants rather than address one of the largest transfers of wealth in our history which has impoverished working class communities. If we are to continue with the neoliberal growth at any means economics and we aren't prepared to invest in the skills or pay of local ppl then immigration is the only alternative, and its the reason immigration has grown by 2.5 times since 2010. The right are bereft of solutions (the left attempt to offer solutions), so they blame asylum seekers, now we are at a point where those gaslighting the public (first generation immigrants) like Patel, Braverman, Zwaha, Sunak etc are being told to "go back home" by the mobs they've helped to incite.
I spent years trying to avoid calling these people Nazis or fascists but they're not getting the benefit of the doubt from me any more. Seeing a story about them trying to burn down a hotel with asylum seekers inside has to be the closest thing to a British Night of Broken Glass we've ever seen. And history is very clear about what comes next if we don't stop them
Sarah Edwards Labour MP for Tamworth "residents want their hotel back" *five days later, a far right lynch mob attack and try to burn down the hotel housing migrants* Also Sarah Edwards Labour MP for Tamworth "the scenes in Tamworth are shocking and disgraceful" 😑
@@althepalno1164 it's honestly no better than Farage. Along with the likes of Labour's John Ashworth parroting the same spiel about how "they're coming here to live in hotels for the rest of their lives." Thankfully that clown was voted out, much to his own surprise, as if he felt he was entitled to his seat with him complaining about "impotent" independents who won't be able to do anything, given their outsider status.
@@DemonDethchaseYou're twisting what was being said. People who are awaiting an asylum decision being housed in hotels for sometimes over a year is a sign of tory failure however you look at it. At no point have I ever heard a labour politician contribute to the current violence.
@@ecaeas4439at no time have I heard any condolences for the families of those killed or attacked from fartage lice and the rest of deform. Every other party has had the leaders and local MPs giving condolences, it doesn't do much, if anything, but it's better than hate speech!!!
That's literally a trap for criminals to re offend. They see their side of the story is not being reported as they see it which causes a feeling of injustice. They re offend and then the same thing happens again. 🔁
@@SimonPJohnson All the channels on social media promoting the riots should be prosecuted for inflaming the situation and sanctions taken against the companies for allowing the postings to take place.
I am in Belfast and the scenes of people side-by-side with tricolour's and union flags would be great if it weren't for the circumstances. Absolute insanity of people in Belfast protesting to stop boats that are going between France and South England !!
Most of those posting on here are not from the north and alot of those detained by the police are not from the north sorry but your wrong were I live a,small city full of asylum seekers all the hotels full and parks with them nothing to do if,any blame lays,it's at,the previous government door and Farage door we,had a,deal with the European union to return them gone after Brexit the labour government has been in power for less than a month and you have a reform Ltd MPs saying stammer got to go what happened to democracy trying to overthrow a government he needs to brought in for questioning
'Van Man' - I'm so pleased that there are people like you and also people (from their comments below) who follow you on this channel. Although I left the UK as a young man it is still heart breaking to see what is happening in the country of my birth. This includes the prominence of 'fire stokers' such as Farage and Robinson encouraging such actions of these (mainly) young men. Rational thought and respectful conversations is the only way to solve such a problem.
If you remove hope and ambition and replace it with blame then you get jealousy and anger then violence. If you can't see a future then there's no remorse from actions.
Yes, and unfortunately it is happening in this comments section as well. Accusations followed by counter accusations, everybody is talking over each other but nobody is listening to what the other side says
@@keithparker1346I'm more left than right & I'm willing to say it's an issue. See my reply above to another person. Screw free speech. Look at what we're doing with it. We don't deserve to have it
The sentencing of Just Stop oil was disgusting and shameful. I imagine that these 'English' thugs will be let off lightly for trying to burn down a hotel with the destitute and defenceless people inside it
@@daydays12 maybe, maybe not. One thing I do know is that by the end of this mayhem we will know where the new establishment stands. Wednesday will be a big indication, the authorities are fully aware of the planned attacks on asylum centres and asylum law advocates tomorrow. We will see ..
We had them in Bristol, but given it was the Southwest, the numbers were pretty small. They kicked off against the police, but were blocked from going too far by locals, including the Green MP. Bristol is a cosmopolitan place, not unlike Brighton. The rioters certainly don't represent the main spirit of Bristol, they just went there to cause trouble.
Liverpool has exact same 'cosmopolitan' nature and statistically same ethnic diversity as Bristol. Manchester demographic diversity makes both Bristol and certainly Brighton look a whites only mono culture - so I'm not sure exactly where you aer going in the logic you present here.
@@bbbf09 what are you trying to read into it, more hate than there is, or justifying rioting based on ours is bigger than yours? What you can read into it, is that a few hundred decided to truck themselves into the city, kicked off, made a fuss, got nowhere in particular, went home. Now probably waiting to be arrested.
@@bbbf09It's simple, Bristol made it very clear that the vast majority of the good folk who live there aren't represented by the hate goblin few, who turned up to smash up their communities. It was quite the opposite. They're probably crying in their cells as we speak, realising that they're the terrorists, using violence to try and force political change.
What is making young men descend into violence? Ignorance, lack of decent parenting, low education. Lack of motivation to do anything kind and meaningful for anybody else. Lack of compassion to fellow human beings. I could go on.............
I was scrolling through a few of the comments before adding my own. I don't need to now. You have said exactly as I would have. What you have listed are "Reasons" and not "Excuses".
Some in Labour, like John Ashworth, also peddled the narrative that migrants are coming here to live in hotels for the rest of their lives. Thankfully however Ashworth was kicked to curb in election. Call out Farage of course, but let's not turn a blind eye to others who do the same thing, just because they might be in Labour, because it all leads to the same violent outcomes, regardless of the party they're in.
I'm from Rotherham. I used to be in this 'pictures of old rotherham' facebook group, I liked seeing the old photos but the comments on there always had a lot of these talking points. Theres been a new hotel being built in the town centre for instance and you'd get lots of comments like 'oh we know who thats for' etc as well as more overt xenophobia. Theres always been a bit of islamophobia about as long as I've been old enough to be aware of it but when the child sexual abuse scandal came out and what was said about it by authorities, it was as though the council and the police were saying to the racists and islamophobes, "yeah you're right about that." There's been nobody visibly countering these ideas in the public space really or not enough, its just been left to ordinary people to try and talk sense into people if and where they can but theres only so many people you can talk to and even fewer that listen, at least online and even in real life it can be hard to counter the narrative. When people are saying thay they're being neglected because the governement are spending money on asylum seekers instead, it's hard to convince people thats not the case when the fact of the neglect itself is so obviously true. And so its festered. The presence of the asylum hotels is a symptom of the malaise not the cause. They're in these areas in particular because its cheap and thats because its already deprived. Rotherham and the surrounding villages never recovered from the dismantling of the industries the area was built on, they got rid of the steel and coal and they were replaced with nothing. This leads to another problem, that of brain drain. Of my friends from school that went to uni, I'm the only one who still lives in the area, the rest have moved down south because of the lack of well paid jobs. I used to try on that group but after a while it was just doing my head in making me angry and it felt futile so I just stopped looking at it. Having said all that, these people are still a small minority, they're just loud because the rhetoric of recent years has made them think their views are mainstream. There are still far more people want the community together than want to divide it.
I hope they also go after those in the media who have been riling up these riots. They might be looking for someone to blame, but there those who send the thugs after certain groups and people. And they never realize who are really to blame. And it is never the people without power and resources.
7:23 You’re right about the importance of spreading out refugees. Under the Tories, they didn’t want to trigger their voter base, so they concentrated refugees in places like Bradford. When my Somali family came to Britain in the early 2000s as refugees, we were one of two such families relocated to a medium-sized town in Oxfordshire. This was an excellent decision by the Labour government, as it gave us and the other residents In our town enough time, resources, and space to integrate and fit into the community. We made efforts to integrate and our neighbors were kind and accommodating. No one complained. Under the Tories, so much of our current issues could have been minimized or eliminated all together.
There's also vulnerable women in those hotels that are escaping abuse.. I agree with you in the respect it's easy to label. I'm from Hartlepool. It was an 11yr old that set alight a police car as his pals filmed it on their phones. 11.... And in Middlesbrough it was teenagers on school holidays smashing cars and house windows. They don't even know who Farage is half of them. It's a complete mess and an end game by years and years of mis information that asylum seekers are living in five star hotels in the lap of luxury. People are falling for this.
I have no problem with root cause and resons behind people's behaviour as long as we have the same conversations about muslim british youths etc. Instead what we do is when it is white skinned people "criming" we are okay with justification from the media, but when is "black and brown" criming, then it is in their nature or it is a conspiracy etc. if we want to have a honest discussion then let's be honest all the way. not selective honesty. The BLM protest, the palestinian protests, just stop oil protest etc with numbers that vastly dwarf these current riots the were all painted as violent protests by the media. et, these are bieng painted as aggrieved people who are painedd. honest discussion yes, but let's be honest all the way.
It's not just up north it's spreading. It was in Weymouth yesterday. Its also been in Bristol so its spreading nationwide so it needs nipping in the bud .. I feel sorry for the police who have to deal with it with limited equipment.. other countries have water cannons ,, cs gas ect..what do we have pc plod with a baton, shield and helmet looking like Robocop cheaper brother. 🤦♂️🤷♂️
To tell you the truth it's getting quite scary the way these protests are popping up so quickly and the police seem incapable of dealing with them, I would go as far to say the police need help and better equipment to help them, but the biggest threat is social media whipping people up into doing this acts of violence.
The danger of equipping the police with quasi-military riot control gear, is that it can easily be used against striking doctors and nurses, trades union members on legitimate industrial action, or anyone the government decides is not following the party line. The Tories have tried for years to militarise the police. It's a very dangerous path. There should be real consequences for those who incite these kind of incidents. If Anjem Choudary can be jailed for life, for conspiracy to incite terrorism, surely the same type of sentences should be considered for any other disseminator of stochastic terrorism
Am from Dubai I studied in Sheffield for almost 7 years and returned back to my home country 2012 and I love Uk and its people my feeling really sad and heartbreaking for what I see and I support you argument in my country we are below may be ten percent but we love anyone to come and work with us in building our society and never accept shaking trust in our government or our society and I think for the last few years all criticism and negativity against UK online created the rise of hate and division . Thanks again for wise words in this crazy time ✌️
Thanks honestly am proud and very thankful that I got the opportunity to study, experience and lived between British people and as person was supported financially from my country while am in UK I shall owes the British people the rest of my life and always dream to be able to give back to Sheffield community the place where I spent my time ✌️
Dangerous Persuaders igniting civil unrest for the indigenous disenfranchised! Tragic and senseless. Martin Niemöller: „ First they came for…!‘ And so it goes. The moment to truly consider what English and wider British are! Cohorts of marauding mops…not entirely sure how to consider this Blaming Starmer and Labour??? Accountability has to be called out for those encouraging this wilful destruction and threat to life!!!
No football, too much beer and the media promoting hate rhetoric. Austerity and Brexit did this. People falling for Farage and Boris is very worrying, especially twice.
@@mr.thegreat557 Comments like that aren't trying to help. Normal people get pissed off too. We all have to stop and placate the racists when they kick off. It's infuriating.
@@keithparker1346 Natives? What, the gaelic people? Coz unless you're Scottish or Welsh or Irish theres not much native about you in England...its a country of immigrants
this might make you chuckle.. someone posted a picture of the brighton pavillion and posted it under the banner "no more mosques" on twitter.. 1) the pavillion (i believe) was built as an image of the Taj Mahal. 2) this building is in india and thus is not a muslim country..
I consider myself a very left wing person but I agree, we can't keep putting asylum seekers in these northern cities. It's a disaster waiting to happen... Has happened.
While it's a good idea to encourage an even spread of migration across the country, the bedrock of this is these rioters are economically alienated and impoverished and that's caused by capitalism not just austerity and the North-South divide which are merely the most visible symptoms of the gross wealth inequality at the heart of capitalism. Labour is still afraid or unwilling to be the socialist party it always was so they really shouldn't be surprised when marginalising socialists in power, pushes people to allure of terroristic ultranationalism that blames a fictional 'other'. Unfortunately more liberal minded politicians are allergic to improving the material conditions of left being working class people, and would lead to them being empowered, more free, happy and educated and responsible enough not to engage in this racist thuggery. In short if you don't provide wealth redistribution, job security, prosperity and hopefully high paid, democratic and socially owned workplaces how can you foster a society that doesn't foster hate from a place of toxic hyper individualistic narcissism that can only find its community in the worst place of vain and immoral ultranationalism. Socialism exists to grant the left behind hope, while nationalism only gives them fear. I hope the media doesn't use this to demonise the working class more than they already have.
I will point out that mass immigration was never a left wing or socialist policy. Any dimwit knows you increase the pool of workers means wages are suppressed. Its a neo liberal policy
We in Ireland are experiencing the same problem lack of housing for Irish people and the government spent 1 Billion last year of tax payers money housing asylum seekers and Ukrainian refugees and no homes being built for Irish people and like the UK the asylum seekers are being forced on to deprived areas never put in prosperous areas
Mis-information on social media is the issue. Knife attacker was British, from a Christian family. And social media said he came in on the boat and was Muslim. B/S.
It was just a firestarter and some argue if his African parents from Rwanda never migrated to the UK it wouldn't have happened. Its underlying frustration building up like government cut heating help for poor pensioners but spend 5-7 billion pounds each year for the growing number of refugees and immigrants makes no sense at all.
That was used to get it going initially but it was irrelevant really because it was fairly soon after debunked and yet the riots continue. Even if he had been a muslim who came on a boat so what, that doesn't justify attacking innocent muslims and asylum seekers. It's like attacking Yorkshire people because of the crimes of Jimmy Savile.
As a southerner i always took for granted that services up north where the same as they where down here .. after spending time up there in Manchester there's a gulf of difference. There's parts up north that have nothing , no prospects of things ever getting better those places have been in decline for decades .. like i was saying to my partner last night whos from up north those towns have never recovered since thatcher decimated the communities. what little those northern towns have left the people up there will see those asylum seekers taking that away. Violence is never excusable alas thats probably all they do have left.
I was told recently that the county is full, when I pointed out that 10% of the country is built on they wouldn't believe me, hate doesn't care about facts.
This is why a national discussion about resources immigration should happen. We are one of the most densely populated countries and people have a right to be concerned on increasing our population by half a million a year. There's probably a very good reason why 10% is built on and not more
@@Michael-yq2ut we don't though. NHS vacancies total about 150k so even allowing for that why did we allow over 700k enter last year? What about putting our own people first?
3 issues. 1. Tories have gone out of their way to brake the asylum and immigration system. 2. The press and in particular social media has become devoid of debate & nothing more than an echo chamber and populism has capitalised on that with outright lies being reported unchallenged. 3. Lack of investment has caused a broken, frustrated working & middle class. Labour have done a fairly good job on understanding some of the roots of the issues. But their cautious economic approach means its going to happen far too slowly to help for a while. They could have been more honest and ambitious- borrowed money and put up more taxes to invest and rapidly put right the equality issues. Many are sick and tired of just about scraping by and each year feeling just a little bit less comfortable. Just like the 2012 riots people are expressing genuine anger and frustration. The problem is that this rime around populism has taken hold rather than actual politics
I would like to apologise to you for my prejudice. I clicked on this video expecting to hear someone talking about "foreigners ruining my country" or "Britain is for the British" but instead I got a very nuanced take that takes all sides into account. You even raised a point that I wasn't fully aware of. The places with the most riots are the ones that take the most refugees so it makes sense for them to think that this is happening at the same scale across the whole country. There are issues with immigration that need to be addressed but they won't be addressed through haterid and bigitory.
It works both ways. I've tried to debate/discuss immigration logically and rationally on left wing channels (I'm left wing) but I've been very quickly accused of being racist
In 1190, around 150 Jewish people from York are believed to have died in a mass suicide at Clifford's Tower after being besieged by a mob. The Jews had taken refuge in the 11th-century timber tower on top of an earth mound, which was part of York Castle, the former center of government for northern England. When they realized they couldn't escape, their religious leader, Rabbi Yomtob, suggested collective suicide to avoid being killed or forced to convert to Christianity. The father of each family killed his wife and children before taking his own life, and they also set fire to their possessions, which consumed the tower. Some Jews died in the flames, but most chose to take their own lives. A few Jews did surrender, but were killed by the mob
The north is poorer not just monetarily but mentally and prospectively, but dont let that make you forget you'll find the kindest of people in the north as well.
Thank you for stereotyping ing me as mentally poor with few prospects. Unfortunately I wasn't born in the south and I apologise for that but, in fairness, it was beyond my control at the time.
That's quite the level of patronising condescension that would make even Jacob Rees-Mogg blush. With me being born and bred (Dock road) scouser but otherwise burdened with my twin post grad qualifications in physics and engineeing, MInstP Chartered physicist status, and 30 years+ career in state of art accelerator science research, I guess I'd best do better to remember my place and my 'mentally and prospectively ' poorer heritage and all round general inferiority in future Samielgo. My apologies.
They were chanting ‘Stop the boats’ - the same slogan Rishi stood behind on several occasions. They were also chanting football songs. They didn’t express much of their politics or the reason for ‘protesting’, except through sickening violence. There are many people in the North of England in dire poverty, both native and immigrant, and the vast majority of these look to their communities for help and support. They don’t smash their communities up. These rioters are national groups, made up from people from all over the country, organised by social media. Their targets have been selected on a national basis - they picked towns and cities in the north which have a large immigrant population, and with local neo-Nazi groups who know the area. Small numbers of hard-core racists drew local support over social media - the people attracted by looting or ‘a laugh’. I’m assuming the people with their faces covered included the organisers, who will be right-wing activists known to the police.
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This is what happens when certain politicians, and people in the media stoke culture wars. This has been ongoing since before the murder of Jo Cox in 2016. We need a discussion and those that have stoked this sentiment over the years need to be dealt with, and that includes serving politicians.
The country was offered socialism to sort out inequality. Tories, Liberals & dissembling neoliberals in the Labour party shot it down for being antisemitic. Inequality, deprivation & ignorance creates fertile ground for the far right. When people are economically secure & feel as if they have a purpose they tend to not care if their neighbour wears a hijab or speaks foreign. I live in a decent size northern city that has weathered the Tory misrule relatively well & I'm brown. Trying to put myself in the shoes of the guys on the streets in places like Rotherham they saw an economic boom coincide with a huge increase in immigration but Blair's government ignored places like that, the places ravaged by Thatcher. Labour should have had proper investmeng in industrial strategy for their former heartlands. Instead when people saw economic growth passing them by coinciding with mass immigration they were called bigots for noticing. The right didn't call them names they stroked their grievances, made them feel important & listened to to gain their trust then redirected their anger. Labour should invest capital properly to create growth but Reeves has already made cutbacks because of the dumb AF arbitrary Tory fiscal rules she's maintaining. It's only going to get worse becausd there isn't an adequate industrial strategy for the parts of the red wall that turned all Brexity. Labour under the current neoliberal leadership are ideologically opposed to the solution so I only see things getting worse. I say they're ideoligically opposed to the solution because it's an absolute & undeniable fact that the Trilateral Commission that backs Starmer doesn't give money to socialists. The causes of the anger aren't going away & Labour aren't even providing a counter narrative they've been repeating a lot of the anti immigration rhetoric themselvss for short term political gain. Starmer is going to use the ensuing chaos as an excuse to indulge his authoritarian tendencies.
The problem people have is how fast the immigration is. We have had around 2m arrive in the past 2 years. The country is on its knees and in debt. They need to stop the boats for now and fix the current issues before bringing more people. If they don't then this won't stop
Obviously you haven't taken out foreign students, who are included in the immigration figures, even though they aren't immigrants, and you're completely ignoring over a million who have left. 40,000 refugees came last year, the rest came here on work visas, so they're actually paying taxes here. They aren't a strain on the country if they're paying towards it. We need more immigration to help with our problems, not less. There's over a million job vacancies and over 2 million empty homes in the UK. We're not exactly full.
2 million empty houses? Are you actually that deluded to think that? The whole reason people sit on a housing list for so long in this country is because they don't have the houses to give them and labour need to push for building more. Doctors themselves now even say they can't cope with the numbers. Immigration is good but needs to be controlled. Not mass driven like it is
A point you have missed, is that a lot of these rioters have travelled in to our northern towns and are not local. They decided to come to Southport to smash up a grieving town not to help it. It was just an excuse. Overall another thoughtful and carefully handled video.
Labour MP, Zara Sultana - currently with whip suspended - speaks eloquently, as VM does, about this complex subject. Immigration/race/religion are all issues which must be discussed, however, they are, instead, used to deflect the blame away from the real culprits of gross inequality, crass government policy and the worst sides of human nature - including hatred and greed.
This is one of the best considered comments on the situation I have seen so thank you Van Man for your intelligent nuance on the subject. Material conditions create situations where young men are groomed by fascists to become terrorists (I grew up in Belfast and recognise this pattern). Social media simply speeds up the grooming. They may not realise it but what is happening now is domestic terrorism ie violence for a political purpose and it is a miracle that no-one has yet died but of course police officers have suffered serious injury. Social media is less an issue that the failure of the political and media class which feed off each other. This has been a long time coming, the political narrative has pulled the Overton window to the right and the exploitation of the immigration question by self serving politicians has made any sensible rational discussion impossible. Throw in a little bit of residual imperial supremacy and that is England 2024.
Poverty is the number one reason. Unfortuently immigrants or no immigrants britain is doomed in this captiaist world. People will always blame others and not their system. "No immigrant has taken your job. You were laid off by a capitalist who required cheap labor and took advantage of that immigrant to increase his profits, and nothing makes him happier than to hear you blame the immigrant and not him." - Mohamad Safa
Without a radical shift in approach - one that honestly addresses systemic racism, economic inequality, and the toxic political discourse around immigration - the UK is headed for more frequent and intense outbursts of violence and social breakdown. The UK government, along with right-wing media, has systematically cultivated xenophobia and racism for political gain. They've created a powder keg of social tension, and now it's exploding. The "hostile environment" policy, Brexit rhetoric, and constant scapegoating of immigrants have deeply divided communities. Economic pressures and inequality have only added fuel to the fire. Far-right groups are seizing this opportunity to spread more hate and incite violence. Social media is amplifying misinformation and extremist views at an unprecedented rate. Each new incident will likely trigger more violence, creating a vicious cycle that's hard to break.
Completely agree. We need to have an open and honest discussion/debate about the subject without mudslinging. Some people are looking for others to blame and some people, not just Robinson, but more "mainstream" voices, like Farage/Anderson, even Braverman, et al are stoking the flames, or refusing to condemn the violence. That said, there is a growing concern about radical Islam, for example, (even among more liberal minded muslims) and what is perceived to be a tendency to give Islam an easy ride, to avoid "offending" it (the Religion, not the people) through fear of the "consequences." For me, _all_ religion is there to be criticized, challenged and even mocked, just like we've done for ages to Christianity. I'm more than a little concerned about a teacher having to go into hiding, for example. These issues need to be addressed and dealt with. Many people who advocate radical Islam (and Putin style right wing ideology) in the UK and elsewhere in Europe would very quickly put an end to Pride marches and, as a gay man, that is of great concern to me!
What? The impotence of old men who were never taught how to think critically. (There's no excuse. I'm old, I wasn't taught, but my word - it's glaringly important).
GBNews, Talk TV, Elon Musk, Andrew Tate, Tommy Ten Names, Tory Party and that total tosspot Farage. All contributed 🧐
You can add Donald Trump to that shitlist. He gave white nationalists a voice on the grand stage & as usual the UK follows in the footsteps of the USA. It's taken 8 years, but it was always inevitable.
How did Andrew Tate contribute to this?
People saying he sided with Tommy Robinson but he made a tweet that was saying that killer was an immigrant @@jewulo
@@jewulodidn't you see how he misidentified the Southport killer on X?
@@jewulo with complete lies to incite.
Farage making provocative videos asking "is there something we're not being told?" is so dangerous and disingenuous and he knows it. He's an MP now FFS and the right place to ask those questions is in Parliament.
He already thinks he's in Power, with two flags either side...
He's a disingenuous fascist.no morals,no intelligence and no answers.
Time for Reform to be proscribed just like their ancestor, the BUF, back in 1939
But then he'd actually have to do his job and turn up to Parliament
He could not care less about them but he needs there votes if he is ever going to gain power
Lack of education and poverty, sadly often go hand in hand.
Stretched resources from mass immigration results in large class sizes, less contact hours more kids/people fall through the cracks. Again neither major party has a solution.
@supernoodles91
Lack of education? We all went to school; it's mandatory.
@@crose7412 Just because you went to a school, doesn't mean you recieved an education. That could be because for a number of reasons but many schools in the UK are in a dreadful state as is the entire education system.
@@crose7412 Come on mate, we all know that these people are thick as s**t.
And you sound like an "Educated Twit"
month ago three women lost their lives by a crossbow welding Christian..... yet no riots then
That’s a little disingenuous. This is a straw that broke the camel’s back situation.
@@MackerelCat And _your_ response is a little worse than disingenuous. It's insidious.
Not really
It's the right wing establishment setting it's useful idiots on us for daring to reject Nigel and his beloved Tories
I mean if anyone cared they would notice right wing violence far exceeds crimes by immigrants
You seem terriblely naive
@@MackerelCatAhh, I see so many of these people rioting over the crossbow murder.
It's all to do with us having a Labour Government and Farage promising a far right utopia and delivering bug..r all. This is insurgence. The far right have no interest at all in those poor little girls murdered in Southport. Their violence made a grieving community's pain much worse...
problem doesn't come on boats..... problem comes from Eton
Actually started with a few small boats in 1066...
@@jonc67uk good point
100%
The best and most truthful comment I have read today.
In a nutshell.
The feeling of despair and lack of a future and are manipulated by billionaires to turn on other working class people
Therein lies the crux of the problem.
My dad went down the right wing rabbit hole a few years ago, started reading the Daily Mail then got into all the far right conspiracy YT channels. There’s no talking to him anymore. I try to explain and debunk some ludicrous thing he read online (refugees being given expensive cars for example) but even after you’ve proved him wrong to the point he acknowledges he’s wrong he’ll just move on to another talking point and quickly forgot he was wrong about the previous one.
We live in France and our children are born here. Had to explain to my mother that her granddaughter cancelled her erasmus in UK due to Brexit. My father voted to leave . They were speechless and they ́ever see their grandchildren.
It’s impossible I have also tried with family members
Thing is my dad has been to jail for drugs and spent years on the dole. When the right wing press isn’t targeting immigrants/muslims he’s the sort of person they’d target: benefits scroungers/chavs etc. I try to explain to him they’re talking about him, he’s the one being demonised but he can’t see it. Then I’m mixed race and my wife and his grandkids aren’t white and so most of his family are the ones being demonised in all this propaganda. I’ll literally say “so you want your grandkids and daughter in law deported do you?” Realisation is there for a few seconds but I know once he gets back online it’s all forgotten again by the next day.
I also have a mate very much like this. His whole family are like it and they have a fondness for the likes of Farage and Robinson and parrot the phrase that “Enoch Powell was right all along”, given up trying to get through to them. Honestly it’s easier just to ignore it, you can’t change people with hands on their ears going “Lalalalala” whenever you try to tell them that their ‘heroes’ are awful people.
Facts don’t seem to matter to them. There’s a channel called Stumping Trumpists that discusses how to deal with them. I’m not sure that I’ll dare to try what he suggests but I’m finding it useful to understand them better.
One of the reasons theres a lots of asylum seekers up north and the midlands is because the hotels there are much cheaper the tories stopped processing asylum claims in 2021, so now we have a huge build up of migrants waiting for processing - they had to have somewhere to put them so cheap hotels were used. Process the poor sods and let them work if they can stay, or eject them if they can't.
Fewer tourists as well. So they won't be staying in hotels in Bath or York.
@mjwilliamsb2676 Also it keeps them away from Tory voters by disproportionately housing them in Labour area's sowing yet more division for the right to capitalise on.
A deliberate strategy to give people a target to blame for their disgusting economic policies, coupled with their vile corruption.
We don't need them sorry
@keithparker1346 Need them more than we need you Keith
Attacking some of the most vunerable and powerless people in the refugee hotel is so cowardly and insane.
Those aren't the best hotels despite being modern, purpose built and part of a chain, and the services and food aren't what the usual paying guests receive. Express by Holiday Inn is the cheapest version of the Holiday Inn. It is more like an Ibis or Travelodge hotel. When they were used as quarantine hotels in the pandemic people hated their time there.
They have always been cowards..
@@lemsip207still better rooms than some "natives" are living in
@@keithparker1346So they should be forced to live in absolute squalor because they're refugees? Get over yourself ya melt.
Vulnerable and powerless? What like little kids at dance classes or at pop concerts? Groups of men drugging them and ‘passing them around’? Is that not cowardly and insane?
This is has been stoked up by the devisive GBNews for years. These idiots have put up with 14 years of Tories now all of sudden they've had enough, this is political.
But this lot voted for the Tories and Brexit. They are probably uneducated and totally gullible and it's far easier to go along with the right wing agenda that it's always the foreigner's fault than admit they were stupid, taken for a ride and responsible for the situation the country now finds itself. I also believe they genuinely thought Reform would win the election and approve some form of genocide.
I thought they might tone down the rhetoric after it descended to violence, but no they have amped it even more
Why wouldnt they? gneebies suffer no consequences for incitemet @vanmantalks
Talk TV's Alex Philips hasn't helped either.
@@vanmantalksWhile people like you celebrate the erosion of our nation, wake up muppet and look what happened to India. It's poorly educated 'van men' lol like you with no knowledge of history or geopolitics who we should be confronting. Stick to clogging up our roads because that's all you're fit for.
Boredom, warm weather, beer, stupidity and ignorance
These rioters are made up of three groups: the far right, criminal opportunists and spectators "out for a laugh". Speculating on the root cause of this mob violence is a valuable pursuit some of us should have started earlier when it could've been stopped or dealt with, but if you're on the receiving end of a mob, you don't ask yourself "what is their motivation?"
The depressing thing is that most of us on either side of the artificially media created political gulf saw this coming ages ago.
Yep. When Boris Johnson started going on about women in burkhas looking like letterboxes I remember thinking that this ain't going to go well..
It will continue until the govt tackles immigration openly and honestly
I completely agree with you with regards to the social media problem here. I recently lost a friend to the far right propoganda. This was a guy I shared a house with about 10 years ago and I slowly watched his facebook post getting more and more unhinged. I tried telling him how this was all propoganda to pad the wallets of the the instigators, but he refused to listen. I unfriended him when he posted an "Enoch Powell was right" meme.I really don't understand how people don't see the irony of a Btitish immigrant living in Spain, telling people in the Uk that immigration is bad. I really hope the Spanish treat Yaxley-Lennon the way he treats immigrants here.
I had the same problem with a couple of my close mates - 2 brothers got sucked into andrew tate, matrix, incel stuff. It was so depressing to watch. I also had another mae who fully believes the earth is flat which sounds funny but it has altered his social life negatively. Social Media is dangerous.
He's making a nice living out in Spain by stirring hatred and misery
Because they view them as the 'right kind of immigrant' I mean they literally call them expats to differentiate them. Sadly, the thought architecture of fascism is mantric. It has to be, to be able to withstand any kind of logical analysis that would render their beliefs absolutely ridiculous.
@@jamesscott5603 Very odd, the flat earthers. Never observed a slit moon in my whole life. One would have thought that, occasionally, the Earth would provide a edge-on shadow and provide a slit moon. No such phenomena has yet occurred. As I said, odd! . . . . Perhaps they're wrong?
Whenever I see or hear people quoting Powell, they rarely do so in proper context. Powell was anti imperialist. He knew all about the English 'whip hand' extended in the Raj in defense of colonialism. Aside from some colorful language, his Rivers of Blood Speech (a phrase never actually uttered and attributed by someone else) is entirely about this issue. The racist right wing always misunderstand him, largely due to their own ignorance.
They didn't want to 'get them out' the hotel, they wanted to burn down the hotel with everyone inside.
Correct, that could be attempted murder.
@@swally291 It is attempted murder and should be treated as such in a court of law.
You're the guy inviting Attila to lunch.
@@postmodernmining Would rather treat Attila to lunch than Tommy ****'n Robinson
@@postmodernmining Don't you mean Matilda?
Left wants to help.... Right wants to find somebody to blame...
A pretty good summary actually.
Generally yes I'd agree, but don't forget that it was the trades unions that also participated in whipping people up into believing that foreigners were coming to take their jobs. So I don't think either side is completely blameless for the sometimes poor attitude in the UK to foreigners. But I will say that generally it has been the right that has been responsible for the hate speech against foreigners.
Left wants to impose Sharia law and let millions of boat people in
And they always point the blame to those without power and resources, and never to those that caused the current situation.
Right wingnuts see themselves as perpetual victims, pretty sure it's a type of BDSM, yet they're possibly the least victimised demographic that has ever existed. It's quite honestly pathetic.
I don’t understand the mentality of these rioters at all. I can understand people being angry and falling for the far right rhetoric that immigrants are to blame, but what do they hope to achieve by rioting? A lot of them will end up in prison. When they are locked in their cells contemplating their future, will they think it was worth it? They have ruined their lives for nothing.
None of them are going to prison, the same way that none of the BLM rioters in 2020 ended up in Prison. The UK is finished.
At least they have a roof over their , free food and heating
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@@larsstougaard7097 Ironic isn't it? Wonder if some asylum seeker will attempt to set their prison on fire out of anger. Somehow I doubt it.
In a way it's better that we don't understand their mentality. Blessed even. Who would ever willingly want to know that kind of extreme hate and arrogance burning through their mind?
I do think there are serious issues with migration and illegal immigrants but it has been created by the previous government firstly not being honest about how much public services now rely upon workers from overseas, and secondly refusing to deal with asylum seeker claims the right way. I think all foreign workers currently in the UK should go on a two week strike and remind people of their contributions to the UK !!
That is a great idea! The media doesn’t educate people on the value of people who came here, either ignores them or vilifies them if they need to distract people from the siphoning of the wealth from the true wealth creators, working people.
Deliveroo and barbers will collapse. We don't need these immigrants
@@keithparker1346Keith, you're trolling everyone. We get it, you're a supporter of the terrorist gangs smashing up our streets, and trying to burn down buildings full of terrified people. I've always taken a dim view of terrorism and attempted mass murder, and you're here trying to justify it. Good luck with that.😂
@kefeck off you racist tw@ithparker1346
'What is making young English men descend into violence' manipulation and obviously a bad heart.
Stella and social media, bad combination
@@TinaBUTCHER-ph1phOh let's ban social media then eh? Stasi Starmer has really got the poorly educated lefties like you riled up talk about useful idiots. Lets introduce a police state and do away with all rights of those of us who aren't immigrants. Who will pay your benefits every month if us working Brits put down our tools?
It’s anger. And they’re right to be angry.
It's a product of generations of selective breeding. You don't get to own the biggest and one of the most brutal empires the world has ever seen, without a fair sized pool of violent thugs to mindlessly enforce the orders of their betters.Oh, that and alcohol. Gin was crucial to the empire.
Trevor Noah did a marvellous routine about this and finished it by comparing the current ignorant right wing views to that of most 'Common wealth' nations Look it up if you haven't already.
I live in Hull. On Saturday we had our annual urban music festival. All emerging local and regional bands, on the Marina. Attracts 15-20k people every year. It was brilliant and peaceful. Less than a mile away, riots and looting. Bonkers
Predicted this as the ultimate outcome of Cameron Osborne and their austerity policies. Learned no lessons from history - poverty breeds intolerance.
Well said ,although I think it goes further back to Thatcher and her ideological Neo Liberalism.
In a poor situation you dont import more people
Seems Boris Johnson learned that lesson, and got to be Prime Minister because of it.
So right you were. Cameron is one of the most odious people
The video of English men turning an intersection into a racial purity checkpoint was especially disturbing. The mob around them was cheering them on. Cops stood by without a care in the world. The other headline stories -immigrant sanctuary siege, rioting, looting, vandalism are all terrible, but still within the limits of what civil society can recover from. But a racial purity checkpoint is straight up fascist and makes one worry for the future of England.
wtf? Where?
@@adblocker276I think it was Rotherham. They were letting white drivers through but stopping everyone else. They dragged one poor Asian taxi driver out of his car, and beat him in the street. This is outright fascism. It's not just some annoyed people with an axe to grind, it's actual, full on Nazi fascism, in England, in broad daylight. And they complain when they're called far right.
'English ' is becoming a pejorative adjective
The irony of all this is immigration has gotten worse under the Tories, not least because we have a demographics crisis created by policies like 2 child benefit, the worst childcare costs in the world, children raised in poverty have actually risen over the last 14 years (by 1300 every day).
They have gaslight the public, they've invoked culture wars, blamed migrants rather than address one of the largest transfers of wealth in our history which has impoverished working class communities. If we are to continue with the neoliberal growth at any means economics and we aren't prepared to invest in the skills or pay of local ppl then immigration is the only alternative, and its the reason immigration has grown by 2.5 times since 2010.
The right are bereft of solutions (the left attempt to offer solutions), so they blame asylum seekers, now we are at a point where those gaslighting the public (first generation immigrants) like Patel, Braverman, Zwaha, Sunak etc are being told to "go back home" by the mobs they've helped to incite.
Starmer has said he will reduce immigration levels.
It’s like night of the broken glass that the brown shirts started/inflamed and where did that end 😮😮😮
I spent years trying to avoid calling these people Nazis or fascists but they're not getting the benefit of the doubt from me any more.
Seeing a story about them trying to burn down a hotel with asylum seekers inside has to be the closest thing to a British Night of Broken Glass we've ever seen. And history is very clear about what comes next if we don't stop them
Yes, but we have the advantage of knowing where Krystallnacht led to...
Sarah Edwards Labour MP for Tamworth "residents want their hotel back"
*five days later, a far right lynch mob attack and try to burn down the hotel housing migrants*
Also Sarah Edwards Labour MP for Tamworth "the scenes in Tamworth are shocking and disgraceful"
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Don't residents have their own homes to reside in? They need the hotel for... ?
@@althepalno1164 it's honestly no better than Farage. Along with the likes of Labour's John Ashworth parroting the same spiel about how "they're coming here to live in hotels for the rest of their lives." Thankfully that clown was voted out, much to his own surprise, as if he felt he was entitled to his seat with him complaining about "impotent" independents who won't be able to do anything, given their outsider status.
@@DemonDethchaseYou're twisting what was being said. People who are awaiting an asylum decision being housed in hotels for sometimes over a year is a sign of tory failure however you look at it.
At no point have I ever heard a labour politician contribute to the current violence.
@@ecaeas4439at no time have I heard any condolences for the families of those killed or attacked from fartage lice and the rest of deform. Every other party has had the leaders and local MPs giving condolences, it doesn't do much, if anything, but it's better than hate speech!!!
What saddens me is the internet grifters and media (Daily Mail) who make vast amounts of money from selling lies .
The daily Mail is a disgusting rag which fomented hatred for decades and now profits from the violence it provoked
That's literally a trap for criminals to re offend. They see their side of the story is not being reported as they see it which causes a feeling of injustice. They re offend and then the same thing happens again. 🔁
don't forget about Russian trolls stoking division between communities across the world
Just remember the biggest Russian troll is called Nigel Fart-age!
Yes, blame the Russians for everything 🙄
TR gets his pay and others from Tel Aviv. Or is that OK?
Yes, bots with access via multiple devices to multiple comments’ pages - how much are they paid per hour in roubles?
@@SimonPJohnson All the channels on social media promoting the riots should be prosecuted for inflaming the situation and sanctions taken against the companies for allowing the postings to take place.
Or Israel trolls
I am in Belfast and the scenes of people side-by-side with tricolour's and union flags would be great if it weren't for the circumstances. Absolute insanity of people in Belfast protesting to stop boats that are going between France and South England !!
Most of those posting on here are not from the north and alot of those detained by the police are not from the north sorry but your wrong were I live a,small city full of asylum seekers all the hotels full and parks with them nothing to do if,any blame lays,it's at,the previous government door and Farage door we,had a,deal with the European union to return them gone after Brexit the labour government has been in power for less than a month and you have a reform Ltd MPs saying stammer got to go what happened to democracy trying to overthrow a government he needs to brought in for questioning
Wouldn't bother " go to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect£200
'Van Man' - I'm so pleased that there are people like you and also people (from their comments below) who follow you on this channel. Although I left the UK as a young man it is still heart breaking to see what is happening in the country of my birth. This includes the prominence of 'fire stokers' such as Farage and Robinson encouraging such actions of these (mainly) young men. Rational thought and respectful conversations is the only way to solve such a problem.
I watched a bit of the livestream on that migrant hotel thing and saw young kids on it. What sort of parent takes your kids to a thing like that?
You almost feel sorry for the kids. What hope have they got.
If you remove hope and ambition and replace it with blame then you get jealousy and anger then violence. If you can't see a future then there's no remorse from actions.
I saw two sikhs taking a break from working on a building site eating fish and chips in Brighton today. It looked so normal
Until later, there's meant to be a protest there later
Excellent video from Van Man! Please be safe.
Thank you Colin
Wars happen when people stop talking with each other and start talking at each other. They stop when they start talking with each other again.
Yes, and unfortunately it is happening in this comments section as well. Accusations followed by counter accusations, everybody is talking over each other but nobody is listening to what the other side says
@@alansmith4748sadly the left is unwilling to treat this as a genuine issue
@@keithparker1346I'm more left than right & I'm willing to say it's an issue. See my reply above to another person. Screw free speech. Look at what we're doing with it. We don't deserve to have it
I hope they get a much longer prison sentence than Just Stop Oil' s 5 years for peaceful protesting
Farage called just stop oil to be jailed and called them terrorist.
Anything else would be "two tier sentencing", surely..
The sentencing of Just Stop oil was disgusting and shameful.
I imagine that these 'English' thugs will be let off lightly for trying to burn down a hotel with the destitute and defenceless people inside it
@@daydays12 maybe, maybe not. One thing I do know is that by the end of this mayhem we will know where the new establishment stands. Wednesday will be a big indication, the authorities are fully aware of the planned attacks on asylum centres and asylum law advocates tomorrow. We will see ..
They havent.
5 years for a zoom call.
3 years for attacking an officer and rioting.
Theres your 2 tier.
We had them in Bristol, but given it was the Southwest, the numbers were pretty small. They kicked off against the police, but were blocked from going too far by locals, including the Green MP. Bristol is a cosmopolitan place, not unlike Brighton. The rioters certainly don't represent the main spirit of Bristol, they just went there to cause trouble.
Liverpool has exact same 'cosmopolitan' nature and statistically same ethnic diversity as Bristol. Manchester demographic diversity makes both Bristol and certainly Brighton look a whites only mono culture - so I'm not sure exactly where you aer going in the logic you present here.
@@bbbf09 what are you trying to read into it, more hate than there is, or justifying rioting based on ours is bigger than yours? What you can read into it, is that a few hundred decided to truck themselves into the city, kicked off, made a fuss, got nowhere in particular, went home. Now probably waiting to be arrested.
@@bbbf09It's simple, Bristol made it very clear that the vast majority of the good folk who live there aren't represented by the hate goblin few, who turned up to smash up their communities. It was quite the opposite. They're probably crying in their cells as we speak, realising that they're the terrorists, using violence to try and force political change.
What is making young men descend into violence? Ignorance, lack of decent parenting, low education. Lack of motivation to do anything kind and meaningful for anybody else. Lack of compassion to fellow human beings. I could go on.............
You forgot to mention Football, alcohol & cocaine..
I was scrolling through a few of the comments before adding my own. I don't need to now. You have said exactly as I would have. What you have listed are "Reasons" and not "Excuses".
And an ongoing invasion of their country.
Economic migrants are the problem and the massive increase in the birth rate of Muslims
weatherspoons..
Farage!
Some in Labour, like John Ashworth, also peddled the narrative that migrants are coming here to live in hotels for the rest of their lives. Thankfully however Ashworth was kicked to curb in election. Call out Farage of course, but let's not turn a blind eye to others who do the same thing, just because they might be in Labour, because it all leads to the same violent outcomes, regardless of the party they're in.
I'm from Rotherham. I used to be in this 'pictures of old rotherham' facebook group, I liked seeing the old photos but the comments on there always had a lot of these talking points. Theres been a new hotel being built in the town centre for instance and you'd get lots of comments like 'oh we know who thats for' etc as well as more overt xenophobia. Theres always been a bit of islamophobia about as long as I've been old enough to be aware of it but when the child sexual abuse scandal came out and what was said about it by authorities, it was as though the council and the police were saying to the racists and islamophobes, "yeah you're right about that."
There's been nobody visibly countering these ideas in the public space really or not enough, its just been left to ordinary people to try and talk sense into people if and where they can but theres only so many people you can talk to and even fewer that listen, at least online and even in real life it can be hard to counter the narrative.
When people are saying thay they're being neglected because the governement are spending money on asylum seekers instead, it's hard to convince people thats not the case when the fact of the neglect itself is so obviously true. And so its festered. The presence of the asylum hotels is a symptom of the malaise not the cause. They're in these areas in particular because its cheap and thats because its already deprived. Rotherham and the surrounding villages never recovered from the dismantling of the industries the area was built on, they got rid of the steel and coal and they were replaced with nothing. This leads to another problem, that of brain drain. Of my friends from school that went to uni, I'm the only one who still lives in the area, the rest have moved down south because of the lack of well paid jobs. I used to try on that group but after a while it was just doing my head in making me angry and it felt futile so I just stopped looking at it.
Having said all that, these people are still a small minority, they're just loud because the rhetoric of recent years has made them think their views are mainstream. There are still far more people want the community together than want to divide it.
Bingo
I hope they also go after those in the media who have been riling up these riots.
They might be looking for someone to blame, but there those who send the thugs after certain groups and people.
And they never realize who are really to blame. And it is never the people without power and resources.
7:23 You’re right about the importance of spreading out refugees. Under the Tories, they didn’t want to trigger their voter base, so they concentrated refugees in places like Bradford. When my Somali family came to Britain in the early 2000s as refugees, we were one of two such families relocated to a medium-sized town in Oxfordshire. This was an excellent decision by the Labour government, as it gave us and the other residents In our town enough time, resources, and space to integrate and fit into the community. We made efforts to integrate and our neighbors were kind and accommodating. No one complained. Under the Tories, so much of our current issues could have been minimized or eliminated all together.
People will still get pissed off that they live in better areas than them
who are 'they' and 'them' please?
There's also vulnerable women in those hotels that are escaping abuse.. I agree with you in the respect it's easy to label. I'm from Hartlepool. It was an 11yr old that set alight a police car as his pals filmed it on their phones. 11.... And in Middlesbrough it was teenagers on school holidays smashing cars and house windows. They don't even know who Farage is half of them. It's a complete mess and an end game by years and years of mis information that asylum seekers are living in five star hotels in the lap of luxury. People are falling for this.
They are living in hotels though
I have no problem with root cause and resons behind people's behaviour as long as we have the same conversations about muslim british youths etc. Instead what we do is when it is white skinned people "criming" we are okay with justification from the media, but when is "black and brown" criming, then it is in their nature or it is a conspiracy etc. if we want to have a honest discussion then let's be honest all the way. not selective honesty. The BLM protest, the palestinian protests, just stop oil protest etc with numbers that vastly dwarf these current riots the were all painted as violent protests by the media. et, these are bieng painted as aggrieved people who are painedd. honest discussion yes, but let's be honest all the way.
I didn't know thugs could write...
Women were frequent instigators of lynchings in the American South, so don't be shocked by what you heard.
It's not just up north it's spreading. It was in Weymouth yesterday. Its also been in Bristol so its spreading nationwide so it needs nipping in the bud .. I feel sorry for the police who have to deal with it with limited equipment.. other countries have water cannons ,, cs gas ect..what do we have pc plod with a baton, shield and helmet looking like Robocop cheaper brother. 🤦♂️🤷♂️
To tell you the truth it's getting quite scary the way these protests are popping up so quickly and the police seem incapable of dealing with them, I would go as far to say the police need help and better equipment to help them, but the biggest threat is social media whipping people up into doing this acts of violence.
The danger of equipping the police with quasi-military riot control gear, is that it can easily be used against striking doctors and nurses, trades union members on legitimate industrial action, or anyone the government decides is not following the party line. The Tories have tried for years to militarise the police. It's a very dangerous path.
There should be real consequences for those who incite these kind of incidents. If Anjem Choudary can be jailed for life, for conspiracy to incite terrorism, surely the same type of sentences should be considered for any other disseminator of stochastic terrorism
As if our police have not used those things here
@keithparker1346 it's called training chap.
Am from Dubai I studied in Sheffield for almost 7 years and returned back to my home country 2012 and I love Uk and its people my feeling really sad and heartbreaking for what I see and I support you argument in my country we are below may be ten percent but we love anyone to come and work with us in building our society and never accept shaking trust in our government or our society and I think for the last few years all criticism and negativity against UK online created the rise of hate and division . Thanks again for wise words in this crazy time ✌️
Thanks honestly am proud and very thankful that I got the opportunity to study, experience and lived between British people and as person was supported financially from my country while am in UK I shall owes the British people the rest of my life and always dream to be able to give back to Sheffield community the place where I spent my time ✌️
Dangerous Persuaders igniting civil unrest for the indigenous disenfranchised!
Tragic and senseless.
Martin Niemöller:
„ First they came for…!‘
And so it goes.
The moment to truly consider what English and wider British are!
Cohorts of marauding mops…not entirely sure how to consider this
Blaming Starmer and Labour???
Accountability has to be called out for those encouraging this wilful destruction and threat to life!!!
No football, too much beer and the media promoting hate rhetoric.
Austerity and Brexit did this. People falling for Farage and Boris is very worrying, especially twice.
Racism
Decades of comments like that haven’t helped. 🤡
@@mr.thegreat557 Comments like that aren't trying to help. Normal people get pissed off too. We all have to stop and placate the racists when they kick off. It's infuriating.
@@kurremkarmerruk8718 who are the racists, serious question?
Woke
@@mr.thegreat557 The people who feel disowned by Starmer, who the Tories would have said "There, there" to.
I'd love to know why people suddenly think living in a hotel is luxury.
Because the conditions are often better than what some "natives" are experiencing
@@keithparker1346 Natives? What, the gaelic people? Coz unless you're Scottish or Welsh or Irish theres not much native about you in England...its a country of immigrants
@@keithparker1346Mate, stop trolling everyone's comments, ya terrorist sympathiser. They're facists, and you're trying to justify them.
@@keithparker1346 That is certainly not true. Have you ever visited a so called 'hotel' where migrants are?
The word 'hotel' is misleading.
@@daydays12 so when are staying in actual hotels you are saying that's not true?
Facebake and twitter. A generation of zombies raised by the z factor and memes
this might make you chuckle.. someone posted a picture of the brighton pavillion and posted it under the banner "no more mosques" on twitter.. 1) the pavillion (i believe) was built as an image of the Taj Mahal. 2) this building is in india and thus is not a muslim country..
There are 170million muslims in India (14%) so not very close and no cigar. Do some 1st grade basic googling if you don't know,
Actually the Taj Mahal was built by a Muslim and contains a mosque. I've been there
I consider myself a very left wing person but I agree, we can't keep putting asylum seekers in these northern cities. It's a disaster waiting to happen... Has happened.
No one wants to admit that mass immigration is not helping
While it's a good idea to encourage an even spread of migration across the country, the bedrock of this is these rioters are economically alienated and impoverished and that's caused by capitalism not just austerity and the North-South divide which are merely the most visible symptoms of the gross wealth inequality at the heart of capitalism. Labour is still afraid or unwilling to be the socialist party it always was so they really shouldn't be surprised when marginalising socialists in power, pushes people to allure of terroristic ultranationalism that blames a fictional 'other'. Unfortunately more liberal minded politicians are allergic to improving the material conditions of left being working class people, and would lead to them being empowered, more free, happy and educated and responsible enough not to engage in this racist thuggery. In short if you don't provide wealth redistribution, job security, prosperity and hopefully high paid, democratic and socially owned workplaces how can you foster a society that doesn't foster hate from a place of toxic hyper individualistic narcissism that can only find its community in the worst place of vain and immoral ultranationalism. Socialism exists to grant the left behind hope, while nationalism only gives them fear. I hope the media doesn't use this to demonise the working class more than they already have.
I will point out that mass immigration was never a left wing or socialist policy. Any dimwit knows you increase the pool of workers means wages are suppressed. Its a neo liberal policy
We in Ireland are experiencing the same problem lack of housing for Irish people and the government spent 1 Billion last year of tax payers money housing asylum seekers and Ukrainian refugees and no homes being built for Irish people and like the UK the asylum seekers are being forced on to deprived areas never put in prosperous areas
Look at who is making money. Who owns the hotels that people are being housed in, at vast expense to the taxpayers.
Couldn't agree more with you and yes, debate matters. Shame we lost our way there
The left is generally unwilling to even accept that immigration is even an issue let alone debate it
Mis-information on social media is the issue. Knife attacker was British, from a Christian family. And social media said he came in on the boat and was Muslim. B/S.
It was just a firestarter and some argue if his African parents from Rwanda never migrated to the UK it wouldn't have happened. Its underlying frustration building up like government cut heating help for poor pensioners but spend 5-7 billion pounds each year for the growing number of refugees and immigrants makes no sense at all.
@@larsstougaard7097 That makes little sense because the problem already exists and was inherited from the last government.
That was used to get it going initially but it was irrelevant really because it was fairly soon after debunked and yet the riots continue. Even if he had been a muslim who came on a boat so what, that doesn't justify attacking innocent muslims and asylum seekers. It's like attacking Yorkshire people because of the crimes of Jimmy Savile.
As a southerner i always took for granted that services up north where the same as they where down here .. after spending time up there in Manchester there's a gulf of difference. There's parts up north that have nothing , no prospects of things ever getting better those places have been in decline for decades .. like i was saying to my partner last night whos from up north those towns have never recovered since thatcher decimated the communities. what little those northern towns have left the people up there will see those asylum seekers taking that away. Violence is never excusable alas thats probably all they do have left.
I was told recently that the county is full, when I pointed out that 10% of the country is built on they wouldn't believe me, hate doesn't care about facts.
This is why a national discussion about resources immigration should happen. We are one of the most densely populated countries and people have a right to be concerned on increasing our population by half a million a year. There's probably a very good reason why 10% is built on and not more
@@keithparker1346 do you know what percentage of refugees the UK takes compared to the rest of the EU?
@@Michael-yq2ut I'm talking about general immigration. Imo no need for half a million extra people a year
@@keithparker1346 with an aging population and needing hundreds of thousands of staff for the NHS and caring roles.
@@Michael-yq2ut we don't though. NHS vacancies total about 150k so even allowing for that why did we allow over 700k enter last year? What about putting our own people first?
Flippin heck this guy is talking so much sense… absolute respect, keep up the amazing content 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Thanks for watching 👍
3 issues.
1. Tories have gone out of their way to brake the asylum and immigration system.
2. The press and in particular social media has become devoid of debate & nothing more than an echo chamber and populism has capitalised on that with outright lies being reported unchallenged.
3. Lack of investment has caused a broken, frustrated working & middle class.
Labour have done a fairly good job on understanding some of the roots of the issues. But their cautious economic approach means its going to happen far too slowly to help for a while. They could have been more honest and ambitious- borrowed money and put up more taxes to invest and rapidly put right the equality issues.
Many are sick and tired of just about scraping by and each year feeling just a little bit less comfortable. Just like the 2012 riots people are expressing genuine anger and frustration. The problem is that this rime around populism has taken hold rather than actual politics
Immigration is the issue
@@keithparker1346no you feckwit it's arsholes like you that are the problem. Ricist
The Big Questions is the show you're thinking of. They should bring the programme back.
I would love to see leaders from the Muslim community, Northern communities hash this topic out on that show
@@vanmantalks Why did they cancel it?
I would like to apologise to you for my prejudice. I clicked on this video expecting to hear someone talking about "foreigners ruining my country" or "Britain is for the British" but instead I got a very nuanced take that takes all sides into account. You even raised a point that I wasn't fully aware of. The places with the most riots are the ones that take the most refugees so it makes sense for them to think that this is happening at the same scale across the whole country. There are issues with immigration that need to be addressed but they won't be addressed through haterid and bigitory.
Welcome to the Van Eddie your more than welcome
It works both ways. I've tried to debate/discuss immigration logically and rationally on left wing channels (I'm left wing) but I've been very quickly accused of being racist
In 1190, around 150 Jewish people from York are believed to have died in a mass suicide at Clifford's Tower after being besieged by a mob. The Jews had taken refuge in the 11th-century timber tower on top of an earth mound, which was part of York Castle, the former center of government for northern England. When they realized they couldn't escape, their religious leader, Rabbi Yomtob, suggested collective suicide to avoid being killed or forced to convert to Christianity. The father of each family killed his wife and children before taking his own life, and they also set fire to their possessions, which consumed the tower. Some Jews died in the flames, but most chose to take their own lives. A few Jews did surrender, but were killed by the mob
That BBC program you mentioned was good, I think James O'Brien was on it several times as the voice of reason
🤣🤣🤣 he’s a far left nut job. 😄
James O'Brien is a Hamas Islamic terrorist supporter. His views are irrelevant.
Unfortunately I could not find it on YT
@@vanmantalks Yeah, I can't exactly remember when it was on, must be 10 years? At least!
James o Brien voice of reason 😂
Neolibralism is why we're all poor.
Disenfranchisement
Their rage may be justified but against the wrong folk
Easy: they enjoy it.
No, you can't say that. That's far too simple of an explanation...it has to be this...or that.../s
@@kevb044 Some of the people in the videos at the weekend looked like they were enjoying themselves.
@@weswheel4834 oh I know, I was being sarcastic, hence the "/s" at the end of my comment
Your right they do because there lives are obviously void of any excitement
@@kevb044 Sorry, missed that :)
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The north is poorer not just monetarily but mentally and prospectively, but dont let that make you forget you'll find the kindest of people in the north as well.
Thank you for stereotyping ing me as mentally poor with few prospects. Unfortunately I wasn't born in the south and I apologise for that but, in fairness, it was beyond my control at the time.
That's quite the level of patronising condescension that would make even Jacob Rees-Mogg blush.
With me being born and bred (Dock road) scouser but otherwise burdened with my twin post grad qualifications in physics and engineeing, MInstP Chartered physicist status, and 30 years+ career in state of art accelerator science research, I guess I'd best do better to remember my place and my 'mentally and prospectively ' poorer heritage and all round general inferiority in future Samielgo. My apologies.
Thanks for having our northern backs. No uni here. Just a bucket load of C&G and other technical qualifications.
They were chanting ‘Stop the boats’ - the same slogan Rishi stood behind on several occasions. They were also chanting football songs. They didn’t express much of their politics or the reason for ‘protesting’, except through sickening violence. There are many people in the North of England in dire poverty, both native and immigrant, and the vast majority of these look to their communities for help and support. They don’t smash their communities up. These rioters are national groups, made up from people from all over the country, organised by social media. Their targets have been selected on a national basis - they picked towns and cities in the north which have a large immigrant population, and with local neo-Nazi groups who know the area. Small numbers of hard-core racists drew local support over social media - the people attracted by looting or ‘a laugh’. I’m assuming the people with their faces covered included the organisers, who will be right-wing activists known to the police.
Yup, in broad strokes it's self serving members of the government as well as some very wealthy individuals both inside and outside of the UK, who through ownership or though lobbying have far more sway over media and government policy than they should have.
Policies are made that will quite clearly harm those of us with the least, reduce quality of life, and narratives are pushed to blame the effects on scapegoats to not only misdirect the anger, but also to create false reasons to push for deregulation further removing protections for the general public, in order to give further scope for higher profits for some of the already exceptionally wealthy.
No complex poorly evidenced crazy conspiracy theories required. No shadowy cabals of lizard people, no plan to replace white people, just standard human psychology with some driven towards greed and as much power as they grab a hold of. Some being narcissists, some with APD, some true believers and ideologues. Add some in-group out-group psychology, a bit of collective narcissism, fear, anger, confirmation bias and plenty of false, distorted, or carefully selected information, and boom, job done.
On a completely unrelated topic, I recognise where you are parked up :)
And on even less of a related topic I recognise your top, so here are a few suggestions for you in the interest of cross cultural cooperation and blending :D
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I’m actually familiar with most of these bands
love hanabie tho sunrise miso soup is my personal fav
Saw Bloodywood at download last year Amazing!!
Love bites were great live when I saw them but not a massive fan a bit too power metal for me
My personal fav band from Japan is maximum the hormone
I’ll give the other two suggestions a go
@@vanmantalks Ah nice. I am still used to them all being reasonably unknown here. That's a good sign!
Yeah I love Maximum The Hormone.
Okay well based on what I gather from your taste with MTH and Hanabie, let me revise some suggestions, though you might know these as well.
So I think Nemophila could be your thing from those initial suggestions, more than Aldious.
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This is what happens when certain politicians, and people in the media stoke culture wars. This has been ongoing since before the murder of Jo Cox in 2016. We need a discussion and those that have stoked this sentiment over the years need to be dealt with, and that includes serving politicians.
A lack of education, poverty, Is that an excuse to justify this, or frankly any level of violence? Not to me it doesn't.
I’m not trying to excuse it Graham just trying to find the root cause
@@vanmantalks I'm in no way suggesting you are trying to excuse it 👍
The country was offered socialism to sort out inequality.
Tories, Liberals & dissembling neoliberals in the Labour party shot it down for being antisemitic.
Inequality, deprivation & ignorance creates fertile ground for the far right.
When people are economically secure & feel as if they have a purpose they tend to not care if their neighbour wears a hijab or speaks foreign.
I live in a decent size northern city that has weathered the Tory misrule relatively well & I'm brown.
Trying to put myself in the shoes of the guys on the streets in places like Rotherham they saw an economic boom coincide with a huge increase in immigration but Blair's government ignored places like that, the places ravaged by Thatcher.
Labour should have had proper investmeng in industrial strategy for their former heartlands.
Instead when people saw economic growth passing them by coinciding with mass immigration they were called bigots for noticing.
The right didn't call them names they stroked their grievances, made them feel important & listened to to gain their trust then redirected their anger.
Labour should invest capital properly to create growth but Reeves has already made cutbacks because of the dumb AF arbitrary Tory fiscal rules she's maintaining.
It's only going to get worse becausd there isn't an adequate industrial strategy for the parts of the red wall that turned all Brexity.
Labour under the current neoliberal leadership are ideologically opposed to the solution so I only see things getting worse.
I say they're ideoligically opposed to the solution because it's an absolute & undeniable fact that the Trilateral Commission that backs Starmer doesn't give money to socialists.
The causes of the anger aren't going away & Labour aren't even providing a counter narrative they've been repeating a lot of the anti immigration rhetoric themselvss for short term political gain.
Starmer is going to use the ensuing chaos as an excuse to indulge his authoritarian tendencies.
The problem people have is how fast the immigration is. We have had around 2m arrive in the past 2 years. The country is on its knees and in debt. They need to stop the boats for now and fix the current issues before bringing more people. If they don't then this won't stop
Obviously you haven't taken out foreign students, who are included in the immigration figures, even though they aren't immigrants, and you're completely ignoring over a million who have left. 40,000 refugees came last year, the rest came here on work visas, so they're actually paying taxes here. They aren't a strain on the country if they're paying towards it. We need more immigration to help with our problems, not less. There's over a million job vacancies and over 2 million empty homes in the UK. We're not exactly full.
2 million empty houses? Are you actually that deluded to think that? The whole reason people sit on a housing list for so long in this country is because they don't have the houses to give them and labour need to push for building more. Doctors themselves now even say they can't cope with the numbers. Immigration is good but needs to be controlled. Not mass driven like it is
Sat here watching the Olympics - LITERALLY watching diversity being our strength 😂😂❤
Not just up north, here in London i can sense people being more willing to express themselves
It’s not young English men if you see the people that have already been convicted in court they range from 29 to 69
A point you have missed, is that a lot of these rioters have travelled in to our northern towns and are not local. They decided to come to Southport to smash up a grieving town not to help it. It was just an excuse.
Overall another thoughtful and carefully handled video.
Good points. I know these people.have been lied to for years but i really hope they get years behind bars. Alone in a cell, well they hope alone.
Aren't these the same young men who are pissed and fighting every Friday and Saturday? Just a different target?
It’s a fascist shit show out of control. Will you be on the register? 😮
Labour MP, Zara Sultana - currently with whip suspended - speaks eloquently, as VM does, about this complex subject. Immigration/race/religion are all issues which must be discussed, however, they are, instead, used to deflect the blame away from the real culprits of gross inequality, crass government policy and the worst sides of human nature - including hatred and greed.
Mass immigration is a neo liberal tool to mess over the working class
Well said mate. The cause is most likely the key.
This is one of the best considered comments on the situation I have seen so thank you Van Man for your intelligent nuance on the subject. Material conditions create situations where young men are groomed by fascists to become terrorists (I grew up in Belfast and recognise this pattern). Social media simply speeds up the grooming. They may not realise it but what is happening now is domestic terrorism ie violence for a political purpose and it is a miracle that no-one has yet died but of course police officers have suffered serious injury.
Social media is less an issue that the failure of the political and media class which feed off each other. This has been a long time coming, the political narrative has pulled the Overton window to the right and the exploitation of the immigration question by self serving politicians has made any sensible rational discussion impossible.
Throw in a little bit of residual imperial supremacy and that is England 2024.
Thanks for watching Stanley! Really appreciate your comment
@@vanmantalks good content deserves praise. These are scary times for this country and rational voices are needed.
The govt have ignored that immigration is an issue
Poverty is the number one reason. Unfortuently immigrants or no immigrants britain is doomed in this captiaist world.
People will always blame others and not their system.
"No immigrant has taken your job. You were laid off by a capitalist who required cheap labor and took advantage of that immigrant to increase his profits, and nothing makes him happier than to hear you blame the immigrant and not him." - Mohamad Safa
There are plenty of old men involved in the riots too.
Hope Farage is proud of his "project"
Without a radical shift in approach - one that honestly addresses systemic racism, economic inequality, and the toxic political discourse around immigration - the UK is headed for more frequent and intense outbursts of violence and social breakdown.
The UK government, along with right-wing media, has systematically cultivated xenophobia and racism for political gain. They've created a powder keg of social tension, and now it's exploding.
The "hostile environment" policy, Brexit rhetoric, and constant scapegoating of immigrants have deeply divided communities.
Economic pressures and inequality have only added fuel to the fire. Far-right groups are seizing this opportunity to spread more hate and incite violence.
Social media is amplifying misinformation and extremist views at an unprecedented rate.
Each new incident will likely trigger more violence, creating a vicious cycle that's hard to break.
Hi Vanman talks i agree with you about this
Waiting for the Lucy Letby riots to start😂
Completely agree. We need to have an open and honest discussion/debate about the subject without mudslinging. Some people are looking for others to blame and some people, not just Robinson, but more "mainstream" voices, like Farage/Anderson, even Braverman, et al are stoking the flames, or refusing to condemn the violence.
That said, there is a growing concern about radical Islam, for example, (even among more liberal minded muslims) and what is perceived to be a tendency to give Islam an easy ride, to avoid "offending" it (the Religion, not the people) through fear of the "consequences."
For me, _all_ religion is there to be criticized, challenged and even mocked, just like we've done for ages to Christianity.
I'm more than a little concerned about a teacher having to go into hiding, for example.
These issues need to be addressed and dealt with.
Many people who advocate radical Islam (and Putin style right wing ideology) in the UK and elsewhere in Europe would very quickly put an end to Pride marches and, as a gay man, that is of great concern to me!
What? The impotence of old men who were never taught how to think critically. (There's no excuse. I'm old, I wasn't taught, but my word - it's glaringly important).
They want everyone to see them in their Sports Direct finest.
Wise words..well said 👍