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Labour will screw over the pensioners the low paid working class who can't claim benefits and those poor bastards who worked hard to buy a home and save a bit of money. All our taxes will now go to the migrants those that Don't want to work and big pay rises for those already on a good wage and knew what they were getting before taking the job to start with.

Labour knew they were gonna take the keys to westminster no matter what because the torys imploded . Labour are only just getting started . You have been warned

Question should be why do people need a winter feul.

We should wait to see what's in the budget before we make to many judgements on Labour. I'm waiting for the budget be before I start to criticise Labour.

The snake oil salesman selling snake oil. Nigel in a nutshell...

Imagine believing the “adults are back in the room”…😂

Farage, PM in 2 years. Patriotic hero of the people. Always gets it right, still had it right.

£800 pcm rent for 2 anywhere in, say, Bristol? No chance. Not even a 1 bed flat.

Due to Thatcher as a percentage of the average wage we now have one of the worse state pensions in the developed world, Labour could have reversed the damage caused by Thatcherism during the Blair years pensions included but chose not to, now once again it's the poorest in society young and old alike suffering in name of neoliberal free market economics

Why would labour want a ex conservative just proves she is only it for herself 😊

Brighton... Left wing chit hole

This country is absolutely finished.

I’m so glad I didn’t vote Labour. Absolute neoliberal shower of shit😢

Being in the reform party means they are morons by default

I knew they would keep the two child cap on benefits with a vague promise to scrap it later. But I didn't expect that the seven MPs who voted for the amendment to scrap it would get suspended.

Labour may have a red flag, but they waved another kind of red flag when they spent the last few years purging the left. Why are people surprised that Kier Stalin isn't doing what is expected?

I’d rather they make the fuel companies pay for the impoverished pensioners fuel costs. None for the rich pensioners who still own massive houses and hold 52% of the country’s wealth.

I agree the threshold for means testing should be between £400-500. Nor should the fuel allowance be restricted to pensioners. Many families are financially worse off than some pensioners

It’s not the issue of who and who can’t afford it It’s the fact that a Labour government has chosen to pick on Pensioners to save. Less than 2 billion pounds then tell me it’s a tough decision I don’t agree that it is a tough decision to pick on people who can’t fight back not until the next election anyway Shame on you Rachel Reeves

Yes they screwed us pensioners over I have voted for Labour since i turned 18 I am now 67 but I will never vote Labour again

There are loads of really wealthy people who don’t pay a penny in inheritance tax. The current Duke of Westminster didn’t pay ANY inheritance tax when he inherited the huge property inheritance from his late father. It has been estimated that if he had paid inheritance tax then the bill for the tax would have come to £9 billion. Yes I have typed 9 billion pounds! It’s not a typo error. But he didn’t pay a penny. And yet Labour, who I voted for, are targeting the most vulnerable in our society. It’s a national disgrace.

How about abolishing the House of Lords saving £330.00 plus expenses per day per member!!!

I’m a pensioner,with my state pension and personal pension I get £13,225.00 a year not only do I lose the winter fuel allowance but my pension is taxed because it’s over the threshold of £12,750.00 , now I know some clown will say that’s less than £8.00 a month tax but you try and live on that pension and thats after working and paying taxes for 52 years .

Why should everyone else continue to fund generation parasites poor financial decisions? When they've paid back the hundreds of billions from Brexit and the Tories cost us then maybe we can look at it again. Until that point, you'll have to cancel Netflix, buy less avocado toast, and pull yourselves up by your boot straps

😊I have heard different points of view from different youtube channels. It would be nice if someone from the Government explains what is happening.

Reform you have to racist or completely stupid to vote for them or more likely a combination of the two

Has a long time labour supporter never in my life time did i think they would take it from us the pensioner this his not over yet written to my newly elected labour mp which has won the seat back after 14,years Tory if the country that bad now labour needs to go after those who cheated us the taxpayers out of billions in the pandemic and tax Dodgers like reform Ltd MPs take from from the most vulnerable seems a bit hard to swallow

it's funny which benefits get means tested and which ones don't...

Some pensioners are quite well off ; they have no mortgage and savings or work pensions . I am managing even without a pension yet . Hopefully there will be a new policy to help people just above the poverty level . This could look at people having to pay rent . There is usually some sort of rent support for low income people generally . Once you stop wasting money given to better off pensioners ; who don't need payments the money saved can be targeted to those in need .

Farage would not recognise the truth if a truth bomb with a pink neon flashing sign reading "THE TRUTH" fell on him from a great height. But I think he is familiar enough with falsehood to spot it at a thousand paces. If he didn't think he knew "the truth"why did he proceed to promulgate misinformation, from as disreputable a source as Andrew Tate?

This issue is being bigged up by the right. But it's still just spin. Labour are actually increasing the winter payment for the most vulnerable pensioners. I'm an OAP and I won't get it. But I'm relatively ok. So I have no problem with this policy.

They've also backtracked on ending the Badger cull. They don't care about much at all other than their own importance.

Means testing can be more expensive than just giving it to everyone. Just give it to everyone.

Fifty years work and taxes, 75 and living on a state pension. The government remove the winter fuel payment from me pay for one illegal immigrant to live in luxury for two nights in a hotel. I have never had a night in a hotel paid for by the taxpayer, not even a night in hospital! Politicians, all of them are s..t.

They continually avoid to levy higher taxes on the ultra rich, and deal with the sick profits of the energy companies and just push it back down the line to us poor folk. They are all the same and until we get a proper functioning democracy it will only continue. Old Labour were for the people, new Labour are not.

What about all this easy money Labour were gonna scoop up from billionaires, non doms etc? This winter payment is gunna be used against Keir exactly how milk snatcher was used against Maggie.

Waiting for Owen Jones to make an "I told you so" video

I am a pensioner and have both the state pension and a (small) private pension. I am certainly not rich and receive a lot less than the average UK wage but I also have less outgoings as I own my home. I can survive without the heating allowance (unless it gets really cold this winter) and am happy that the money is used somewhere else in the government's spending, provided that the pensioners that are in hardship are supported. I have written to my MP about the 2 child limit so she is aware of my views but, as a general principal, I don't think Labour are going to use the saving to fund unfair tax cuts as the Tories would and I don't think we can micro-manage the budget. There is always the argument that I could donate the allowance to charity but that is a very Tory idea and I support the state looking after those members of society that are struggling. The economy is not perfect and I fear that this is just the first of a series of hard decisions by the government but in the unfair 'first past the post' world of UK politics I cannot see any other option than Labour.

It's this kindof Van Man BS that gets the Tories back in power. Van Man is a Tory and I claim my 5 pounds. Governments have to prioritise their spending. Its this kind of Van Man agitation which will not just lead to the Tories being back in power but a Hard-Right version of the Tories.

The optics are really bad. The target, the timing, the duplicity - they knew about the deficit and withheld their plan from voters. It’s also about who they HAVEN’T targeted. Tax dodgers, bankers, the ultra-rich. I won’t be receiving the fuel allowance yet, last winter, I didn’t turn the central heating on at all. Not once. Coal fire on in one room of my house, 24/7. The £500 I received, last year, paid for most of that and I will really feel the loss.

I remember talk of doubling down on the windfall tax for oil companies? Would nipping the cost from the other end mean less on the fuel bills for all? The fuel allowance sounds like it is no longer fit for purpose, even when getting the allowance your still hurting. Cut here, shift relief there. Where is "there" then?

Reeves will make sure pensioners that actually need WFA are compensated elsewhere. Oh, and the 22Billion black hole needs plugging. WFA represents less than £4 a week, don’t over egg it Van Man

Lol so I guess you don't know they are putting taxes .m8😅

I think it is right that WFA is means tested. Why should working people who struggle to pay their energy bills pay for fuel allowance to wealthy pensioners? And btw, I know a number of well off pensioners who don't want the WFA, some give it to charity. Encouraging more pensioners to apply for Pension Credit for which they'd easily be entitled, so that they can get extra benefits like the WFA makes more sense. What Labour could do is increase the threshold for PC. Also, reduce energy costs for everyone by going after greedy energy companies.

My mum is in a care home she doesn't need it .

This is actually plainly stupid - Reeves has no idea that 'this one will run and run' - no idea that it will be re-packaged and presented negatively for the next five years. I see you have predictable comments - and the thing is - that all means-testing has a threshold. The actual amount involved is £11.400 after housing expenses (Rent/Maintenance plus Council Tax) and anything less is eligible for Pension Credit. The problem lies with those just a bit higher on the income scale - who will now not only lose out on the winter fuel payment, but also free dentistry and specs. So there will actually be group who are worse off than those receiving pension credit. You've all been gaslit into thinking that all retired people get £40K per year, but it is not the case. I think that Reeves is going the right way to be the worse chancellor ever - she seems to think like Thatcher - that the Country is run like a household purse - and seems to be talking 'austerity 2' - watch her come for the disabled next !

It isn't scrapped though, it's means tested. Not the same as scrapped.

Labour will end the whole “14 years of... “ narrative in just 18 months. 👍🏻

This is means testing. Now, whether the means threshold is adequate or not is a different question and you need to write to your MP. Note also that the cost of living is different in different parts of London (Brighton is expensive - not quite as much as London, but it is clearly a wealthy area - on the other hand, if you go up to county Durham or Northumbria, it is not unreasonable). By the way, if enough people write to their MPs, they will have to worry.

As a married pensioner and house owner and I have modest bits of pension taked onto my state pension and so does my wife I guess although disappointed feel I can manage without our winter fuel. I take your point for the poorer pensioners and I suspect there are a lot if them this is the last thing they need. I support the thrust of your arguement. The problem with modern day politician's is they almost all come from comfortable backgrounds. In my day there were a good lot of labour M.P.'s that came from very poor backgrounds and moved up through the trade union structures eventually deciding to run for parliament They fought ferociously for the poor and disadvantaged. We don't have this sector of society represented any more in the top tiers of politics. These people today may have come from Oxford and Cambridge universities but have no comprehension of the struggles of the working people and poor pensioners. It's not the first place I would turn to if I wanted to rebalance the books.