These videos are becoming the highlight of my week 😅, I've never seen such stubborn injectors lol, I hope my ones on my 2.0 vivaro never get this bad lol.
Scary thing is I have a 2011 lwb tvp and know the days coming I'll need an injector or two, but that sir is a new boat anchor, it's all its good for with injectors that stuck. 10 out 10 for effort though 👍.
The best way I remove stuck injectors is to remove nut holding injector, pour red diesel over injector, drive until it breaks loose. The heat and compression will loosen it. Easy and simple
I bought some clamps off of Ebay, They are usually made in high tensile steel, and if you are lucky, flat. I used to machine large items on 10 foot table vertical borers, so big clamps and bolts with ten foot spanners was normal to stop items flying off the machine.
what i do on stuck injectors is to mix 50/50 of ATF fluid and acetone/nail polishing. Shake well and apply around the injector. Let it soak for an hour or to. That usually woks for me and its also a cheap quite effective penetrant oil.
How about putting some pulling pressure on it, then rattling the injector with an SDS hammer drill or something. The impact vibrations might break the rusty corrosion weld effect.
The struggle is real, I did one 2 weeks ago, the 3rd puller got mine out, had to destroy the electrical part to get a pull on the mounting and the top thread, made by Pichler, I do not think any puller is gonna get yours out. Also made by Pichler is a kit that lets you pull and break the injector bit by bit until it's all out, I've had to use that before now and it takes ages but it is a guaranteed result. Expensive kit though.
You think pincher tools would get these out? When I saw the £3,500 price tag, I thought, "Can I make something to do it?" I might ring them and see what they say.
@@tinker-time Like everybody we struggle with these injectors so we got the kits from Pichler, the first kit uses a hydraulic puller that works in 2 ways, the first set up won't break the injector, it pulls on the pipe thread and works sometimes, the second set up means you have to break off the electrical plastic part which of course means that no surcharge back on old injector. That one works a lot of the time. The second kit we have removes the leftovers after the second pull setup has snapped the injector in half, you are left usually with the lower body still seized in the head. It is basically a process of tapping the insides of the injector body and pulling with the hydraulic ram until that bit snaps off and comes out, then theres a different tap and a different pull adaptor, you keep going as bits snap and come out until you get to the tip. It takes time and the kit is very expensive, but it works. I've had to go all the way with the kit a few times, it is hard to justify the cost, but it gets the job done.
Use a Masonry Drill bit. The newer ones with the little tit on the cutting face. If it is not cutting well, sharpen with a stone wheel to take the front round edge off.
I use 60mm thick milling clamps off of a large vertical borer. They will take 100 tons and not bend. At least you tried, how do you get them back in if they are that tight?
Cheers, mate. 👍 A someone has gotten in touch with me, so I've afew ideas, so I'm sure I'll be having another go. I think more safety gear is needed. 1st tho🤣
dont know what the access is like to the injector, but have you tried wrapping an induction heater around the injector, have seen good results. those air impact injector removers are also cheap on ebay now.
Just watched this latest attempt Mark…😳. Did you ever work in Bomb Disposal? You should do..😂. Well done for another heroic effort. Yours is one of the most entertaining channels on TH-cam!
I've one of them aswell to did nothing but make a noise 🤣 , Worked on one of my other videos on that other engine. Think on normal injector it would well 👍
@tinker-time ah cool, perhaps liquid moly injector remover and the tool again ? Cola works but the moly should be more concentrated phosphate to convert the rust
I've gotten seized Injectors out of an LDV Maxus engine using cokeacola, pored it around the Injectors, and left it to eat away and work its magic before removing them
It wasn't easy, but a bit of persistence over a few days, and I got them out, all damaged, of course, on the LDV engine, the head can't be removed until the Injectors are out, so couldn't even remove the head. Good luck
Had this malady recently with an I40 Hyundai. One injector stuck, would not budge. Had to drop the head off to a engine specialist, and they pulled what was left of the injector. The renault R9M engine you have there is simple to time back once the fixed head is returned; you've done half the job already having that lump out to give yourself room o understand what causes this is a blocked scuttle drain; rainwater sits on the top of the engjne and works its way into the injector recesses and fuses the head and injectors together as one. If you remove the head and send it off spend a little more and get it skimmed, as these heads are susceptible to overheating and warping. Just future proof the motor as much as you can mate. Also if you have the injectors out, keep them in the order they came out, and recode any you replace
@@Everydoghasitsday259 It was the same with the hyundai in that the injectors go through the rocker cover. That had to be cut up to remove it to expose the rocker gear and cams which had to be removed to access the head on the hyundai.To be honest, this is the only cost effective way is to sort this himself, or otherwise splash out on a warrantied reconditioned engine. The engines only problem is the shithouse injector. The cost of the rocker cover, head gasket set, injector to replace the scrapped one, injector removal and skim by a specialist. It's alot, but less than replacing the engine with one that'll have the same issue come the time all over again, plus the added for the replacement injector. These are renowned for this issue in this van. At least, on reassembly, after recutting the injector seats, the next step would be to paint a smear of copper grease to the injectors to five them a fighting chance of not seeing in again. Other thing is to make sure the scuttle is draining properly.
@@Everydoghasitsday259 Unfortunately I had to so one of those too but it was a warped head which is common on these renault engines, luckily not an injector on that particular engine. However the seizure issue is common on these due to that one cause. Its just another typical annoying modern design oversight that's too common. At least the renault engine only has the one simple timing chain to be bothered about. Its a doddle to time unlike the hynudai 1.7crdi engine. It uses a chain from the crank that times the fuel pump, then a second chain which times from the fuel pump to the cams, plus the oil pump is part of the timing case, silly engine!
Hi Mark it's Martin from South Wales Injector Removal Service Ltd , if you have any Injector Removal questions just get in touch and I'll help you out the best I can . Where are you ? If your close enough maybe I could call round
Hi martin I'm over north Yorkshire, I'm afraid, I've had a few ideas put forward, to try from a ship anchor to table stand, 🤣 going to give them another go,👍I've drill one out and fitted some thread rod ready to try again, but any tips are welcome if you have the time to message me 👍
On my traffic, I had to take the head off, pour diesel and atf down the injector hole from the injector tip , left it overnight then knocked it out and that was after trying alsorts of pullers, slide hangers, impact gun, air tools.
Take the head off and push it out from other side.Look how a bearing press is made and make one using the 40 ton jack, and use "I beams" , welded and bolted, Heat the hard up before pushing.. and use plus gas.. If that dont come out then get another hear and injector.
How are you amazed you bent a non high tensile bar. Your surprised you tore mild steel? Why do you keep jacking them individually instead of evenly Why don't you use the correct tools Are you drunk?
the D grade steel and it was the machine grade threaded bar that snapped in the end, the bar didn't bend much just a few mill the Only moving a few millimetres at a time. plus the separate jacks. I don't have a twin handle. Pincher you want three and a half thousand. for a tool when don't remove these injectors every day. So I'm not goanna spend that. Let's pincher you want to sponsor me.? i no I'm not drunk😂 , I don't drink!! 👍 and the tool I've made in my other video as works well seem to this type of injector but ill get them out 👍👍
wurth 2040 soak it under tension Round Bar that is not tensile will bend bit of Heavy Box would have been more sturdy . it will pull the casting out if water has soaked the body of the Injector . Shitty engine .
I am a truck mech i have had them snap off pull the casting with it instantly destroying the Head. It will come out but your approach is a little sketchy. Change the head if it is a low mile engine .
Couldn't be ar5ed with all that pulling - waste of effort. See this nonsense endlessy - 40 ton of pull is nuts - apply twist. Never pulled on an injector in my life - I slam them sideways so they shear the carbon bond. Twisting is your Pal for injectors. Think it through - it's a long round bar jammed in a long round hole - it can withstand huge amounts of pull - but sod all twist. Once the "Twist don't pull" idea sinks in, you never give much fecks about how "Stuck" an injector is - it's not really. If they resist the twist, I hit them around with the air-hammer - they all give up.
@@tinker-time Cobblers - they all twist free. I see lads here in our workshop struggling - pulling, heating, welding, all the usual rubbish - I wander over, smack them sideways with a big heavy punch & a big heavy hammer - bingo. Issue is they're frozen in place by a layer of carbon. That carbon is strong as glass, but also brittle as glass. Break that bond & out they come like lambs. It's identical to "Can't be undone!" bolts.. One guy can struggle for hours, another will have it out in seconds. The second guy will hit it so hard with a hammer, first, it will forget any & all ideas it had about being stuck. You need 0.5mm of sideways movement - that shatters the bond. Every injector going moves that 0.5mm. Pulling is not your Pal.
@@tinker-time I do these daily - hit them around clockwise. Grab a big heavy punch - heavier the better & a big hammer. Smack the offset around clockwise - you only need it to twist a tiny bit. The bond is real brittle - but it will resist 20 ton of pull no bother. If they pi55 me off and won't twist (rare), I hammer them down into the copper washer, then hammer them round - out they come. That means I have to spend 50 quid on a used injector, so I try avoid that - I prefer getting them out intact. Idea is to break the bond - I'm lazy & overworked, so I try avoid marathon sessions dicking about with stuff.
This is some of the most interesting content I have watched in ages!
30mm bar bent by a stuck injector! Amazing!
Cheers mate, 👍 that great to hear im trying to keep has real as possible for everyone
These videos are becoming the highlight of my week 😅, I've never seen such stubborn injectors lol, I hope my ones on my 2.0 vivaro never get this bad lol.
🤣👍 , yer these are well stuck runing out options now on this engine 🫤
Scary thing is I have a 2011 lwb tvp and know the days coming I'll need an injector or two, but that sir is a new boat anchor, it's all its good for with injectors that stuck. 10 out 10 for effort though
👍.
🤣 yer think now engine parts only, it's finshed 🙄🫤
We need that in slow mo 😂. That’s some serious pressure. Think it’s time to admit defeat on this one and weigh it in as scrap
Thought that to! mite edit it to see if I can slow it down 👍
The best way I remove stuck injectors is to remove nut holding injector, pour red diesel over injector, drive until it breaks loose. The heat and compression will loosen it. Easy and simple
Money shot at the end ....brilliant !!!🤣👍
🤣 cheers, it did go with a bang good job the jack went the other way tho it flew off that table 🤣🤣 👍
What a great attitude you have. Liked and subscribed 👍
That's very kind of you, mate. Thank you👍👍
I bought some clamps off of Ebay, They are usually made in high tensile steel, and if you are lucky, flat. I used to machine large items on 10 foot table vertical borers, so big clamps and bolts with ten foot spanners was normal to stop items flying off the machine.
Never failed to get one out with the proper tools !!
what i do on stuck injectors is to mix 50/50 of ATF fluid and acetone/nail polishing. Shake well and apply around the injector. Let it soak for an hour or to. That usually woks for me and its also a cheap quite effective penetrant oil.
hey mate some of that, i'll give it ago
I've never seen anything like it, that's crazy with 40 ton pulling!. Top marks for effort. I don't dare look at my 2005 1.9 primastars injectors 😬.
It these 2.0 ones awful to work on, I've 4 on this channel
How about putting some pulling pressure on it, then rattling the injector with an SDS hammer drill or something. The impact vibrations might break the rusty corrosion weld effect.
quite impressive how well it stuck
Mark, I think you've given that engine your all buddy and I think its time to turn that engine into a piece of furniture
Might be more useful 🤣👍 I am running out of options with it
That was absolutely brilliant Mark so upset that you didn't do it but entertainment value 10 out of 10
Cheers 👍 was a shame seem a good van aswell, 👍
I will definitely be mentioning you on my channel tomorrow if you don't mind
Dude, try not to get hurt! Be calm and stay safe. Looking forward to round 3. 😂
Yer it few that jack mate, I was shocked it flew off that table top to be fair 👍👍
More to come, I'm sure
Fairplay Mark! Did you try drilling in the sides to get some fluid to seep down overnight.
The struggle is real, I did one 2 weeks ago, the 3rd puller got mine out, had to destroy the electrical part to get a pull on the mounting and the top thread, made by Pichler, I do not think any puller is gonna get yours out. Also made by Pichler is a kit that lets you pull and break the injector bit by bit until it's all out, I've had to use that before now and it takes ages but it is a guaranteed result. Expensive kit though.
You think pincher tools would get these out? When I saw the £3,500 price tag, I thought, "Can I make something to do it?" I might ring them and see what they say.
@@tinker-time Like everybody we struggle with these injectors so we got the kits from Pichler, the first kit uses a hydraulic puller that works in 2 ways, the first set up won't break the injector, it pulls on the pipe thread and works sometimes, the second set up means you have to break off the electrical plastic part which of course means that no surcharge back on old injector. That one works a lot of the time. The second kit we have removes the leftovers after the second pull setup has snapped the injector in half, you are left usually with the lower body still seized in the head. It is basically a process of tapping the insides of the injector body and pulling with the hydraulic ram until that bit snaps off and comes out, then theres a different tap and a different pull adaptor, you keep going as bits snap and come out until you get to the tip. It takes time and the kit is very expensive, but it works. I've had to go all the way with the kit a few times, it is hard to justify the cost, but it gets the job done.
Use a Masonry Drill bit. The newer ones with the little tit on the cutting face. If it is not cutting well, sharpen with a stone wheel to take the front round edge off.
High tensile screwed bar and a hollow jack?
I've subscribed for ya mate, but don't give up
Cheers,I'll keep pushing, 👍 👍
I use 60mm thick milling clamps off of a large vertical borer. They will take 100 tons and not bend. At least you tried, how do you get them back in if they are that tight?
Yer bet them clamp are strong 👍, I'll look into that, think it would have to off to a specialist then be skimmed aswell,
Cracking effort fella 10 out of 10 i am sure you will give it another crack you not the type to give up :)
Cheers, mate. 👍 A someone has gotten in touch with me, so I've afew ideas, so I'm sure I'll be having another go.
I think more safety gear is needed. 1st tho🤣
dont know what the access is like to the injector, but have you tried wrapping an induction heater around the injector, have seen good results. those air impact injector removers are also cheap on ebay now.
Yer, heard that to mate, I could use my blow torch worth a try a guess 👍
probably easier to grind the top of the injectors off and change the head , can be around £250 an injector to drill them out
Looking forward to part 3, While the injector is under tension give it a twat with hammer the shock might free it.
Just watched this latest attempt Mark…😳. Did you ever work in Bomb Disposal? You should do..😂. Well done for another heroic effort. Yours is one of the most entertaining channels on TH-cam!
Hey, cheers, mate! Quite the disaster, this one. 🤣🤦♂️
Wow when that went bang!
Proper scrapper, I'm just tiding up mess now 🤣🤣🤦♂️
Bloody hell, that made me jump lol 🤣🤣
Did me! Them jack aren't light if had come towards me I think I would have been hit by it
Chemical bond at this point only way to disrupt that is chemical treatment, heat or varied mechanical impact. One of the 3 should work.
Big SDS hammer drill next! It getting it! 🤣
@@tinker-time haven't seen the previous episode. Did you try one of the pneumatic pullers ? Can be picked up for about 90 quid.
I've one of them aswell to did nothing but make a noise 🤣 ,
Worked on one of my other videos on that other engine. Think on normal injector it would well 👍
@tinker-time ah cool, perhaps liquid moly injector remover and the tool again ? Cola works but the moly should be more concentrated phosphate to convert the rust
I've gotten seized Injectors out of an LDV Maxus engine using cokeacola, pored it around the Injectors, and left it to eat away and work its magic before removing them
Hi, and thanks👍 I'll try anything on these. I think I've some in the house aswell 👍
It wasn't easy, but a bit of persistence over a few days, and I got them out, all damaged, of course, on the LDV engine, the head can't be removed until the Injectors are out, so couldn't even remove the head. Good luck
Needs sending off to one of those guys that can cut things in half with water jets 😪
straight pressure doesn’t work on stuck injectors, they need to have pressure and vibration to break the corrosion free.
Yer,👍it was very odd how it wouldn't even move at all with all force. You might have to use sds drill or something like 🤷♂️
i dont even bother trying any more i just price up new head and 4 injectors
Had this malady recently with an I40 Hyundai. One injector stuck, would not budge. Had to drop the head off to a engine specialist, and they pulled what was left of the injector. The renault R9M engine you have there is simple to time back once the fixed head is returned; you've done half the job already having that lump out to give yourself room o understand what causes this is a blocked scuttle drain; rainwater sits on the top of the engjne and works its way into the injector recesses and fuses the head and injectors together as one. If you remove the head and send it off spend a little more and get it skimmed, as these heads are susceptible to overheating and warping. Just future proof the motor as much as you can mate. Also if you have the injectors out, keep them in the order they came out, and recode any you replace
You need to remove the injectors to be able to remove the head in these
@@Everydoghasitsday259
It was the same with the hyundai in that the injectors go through the rocker cover. That had to be cut up to remove it to expose the rocker gear and cams which had to be removed to access the head on the hyundai.To be honest, this is the only cost effective way is to sort this himself, or otherwise splash out on a warrantied reconditioned engine. The engines only problem is the shithouse injector. The cost of the rocker cover, head gasket set, injector to replace the scrapped one, injector removal and skim by a specialist. It's alot, but less than replacing the engine with one that'll have the same issue come the time all over again, plus the added for the replacement injector. These are renowned for this issue in this van. At least, on reassembly, after recutting the injector seats, the next step would be to paint a smear of copper grease to the injectors to five them a fighting chance of not seeing in again. Other thing is to make sure the scuttle is draining properly.
@@gordoncompton3014 nightmare pal good shout on the scuttle issues aswell 👍
@@Everydoghasitsday259
Unfortunately I had to so one of those too but it was a warped head which is common on these renault engines, luckily not an injector on that particular engine. However the seizure issue is common on these due to that one cause. Its just another typical annoying modern design oversight that's too common. At least the renault engine only has the one simple timing chain to be bothered about. Its a doddle to time unlike the hynudai 1.7crdi engine. It uses a chain from the crank that times the fuel pump, then a second chain which times from the fuel pump to the cams, plus the oil pump is part of the timing case, silly engine!
Hi Mark it's Martin from South Wales Injector Removal Service Ltd , if you have any Injector Removal questions just get in touch and I'll help you out the best I can . Where are you ? If your close enough maybe I could call round
Hi martin
I'm over north Yorkshire, I'm afraid, I've had a few ideas put forward, to try from a ship anchor to table stand, 🤣 going to give them another go,👍I've drill one out and fitted some thread rod ready to try again, but any tips are welcome if you have the time to message me 👍
On my traffic, I had to take the head off, pour diesel and atf down the injector hole from the injector tip , left it overnight then knocked it out and that was after trying alsorts of pullers, slide hangers, impact gun, air tools.
Yer mate it's looking bad this engine, got afew more ideas, 👍
Take the head off and push it out from other side.Look how a bearing press is made and make one using the 40 ton jack, and use "I beams"
, welded and bolted, Heat the hard up before pushing.. and use plus gas.. If that dont come out then get another hear and injector.
What tool do pro's use? I know it cost a couple of thousand which is why they charge so much to remove the injectors.
I've got a air puller, aswell plus a slide hammer
The main tools are made by a company called pincher about £3,500 there's is 🤦♂️
@@tinker-time Can the Pincher tool be reproduced into a DIY version, how does it work?
I doute it, it harden steel its a serious bit if bit, it uses a 30 ton pincher jack
Ho man what a job
Yer it done this engine, I'm afraid, just tiding up the mess now 🙄
Bad luck. I think the engines are good, pain in the arse to work on. That engine needs a dammed good thrashing.
Think in going smash to bit with my tractor loader! 🤣🤣 it a proper lemon
Extract engineering carlisle cumbria .
Slide hammer?
It won't touch them, mate. I've even got a pneumatic pulley that doesn't work either. I'm going to try an SDS on Hammer. I think 👍
At least try drilling them out as close as possible one last try
Yer, think that might be the last option I have now 👍👍
@@tinker-time yeh you can do it mate
How about a stick of dynamite 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍
Airwolf
Sure is 👍👍👍its on, in the uk 7pm until 8pm it ace,
@tinker-time I got the bluerays I'm a big fan of airwolf 👍
I know its not funny but it is good effort get another head for it 👍😁
Head for me or the engine 🤣🤣🤦♂️ I'll see what I can find
Normally when they that tight they getting milled out.
A few people have said they have had to send their sent their away to a machine shop to 👍
@@tinker-time ppl do it mobile. You can get special tools for the job.
@Milosz9
Someone was in touch about doing 1500 pounds 🤦♂️, more than the van worth that the problem I've a air puller but it won't shift them at all,
How are you amazed you bent a non high tensile bar.
Your surprised you tore mild steel?
Why do you keep jacking them individually instead of evenly
Why don't you use the correct tools
Are you drunk?
the D grade steel and it was the machine grade threaded bar that snapped in the end, the bar didn't bend much just a few mill
the Only moving a few millimetres at a time. plus the separate jacks. I don't have a twin handle.
Pincher you want three and a half thousand. for a tool when don't remove these injectors every day. So I'm not goanna spend that. Let's pincher you want to sponsor me.?
i no I'm not drunk😂 , I don't drink!! 👍
and the tool I've made in my other video as works well
seem to this type of injector but ill get them out 👍👍
M9😛😂R Shitty
wurth 2040 soak it under tension Round Bar that is not tensile will bend bit of Heavy Box would have been more sturdy . it will pull the casting out if water has soaked the body of the Injector . Shitty engine .
I am a truck mech i have had them snap off pull the casting with it instantly destroying the Head. It will come out but your approach is a little sketchy. Change the head if it is a low mile engine .
Your not wrong there! The 1.9 a far better engine,
Couldn't be ar5ed with all that pulling - waste of effort. See this nonsense endlessy - 40 ton of pull is nuts - apply twist.
Never pulled on an injector in my life - I slam them sideways so they shear the carbon bond. Twisting is your Pal for injectors. Think it through - it's a long round bar jammed in a long round hole - it can withstand huge amounts of pull - but sod all twist. Once the "Twist don't pull" idea sinks in, you never give much fecks about how "Stuck" an injector is - it's not really. If they resist the twist, I hit them around with the air-hammer - they all give up.
These will not move at all side to side either, made try a drill on hammer to try and break it up abit, it may then wiggle side to side,
@@tinker-time Cobblers - they all twist free. I see lads here in our workshop struggling - pulling, heating, welding, all the usual rubbish - I wander over, smack them sideways with a big heavy punch & a big heavy hammer - bingo. Issue is they're frozen in place by a layer of carbon. That carbon is strong as glass, but also brittle as glass. Break that bond & out they come like lambs. It's identical to "Can't be undone!" bolts.. One guy can struggle for hours, another will have it out in seconds. The second guy will hit it so hard with a hammer, first, it will forget any & all ideas it had about being stuck.
You need 0.5mm of sideways movement - that shatters the bond. Every injector going moves that 0.5mm. Pulling is not your Pal.
I'll get hammers out! 👍 I've hit the that one that snapped the bar,. It smash the top off the injectior now, but I could try hitting what left 🤔
@@tinker-time I do these daily - hit them around clockwise. Grab a big heavy punch - heavier the better & a big hammer. Smack the offset around clockwise - you only need it to twist a tiny bit. The bond is real brittle - but it will resist 20 ton of pull no bother. If they pi55 me off and won't twist (rare), I hammer them down into the copper washer, then hammer them round - out they come. That means I have to spend 50 quid on a used injector, so I try avoid that - I prefer getting them out intact. Idea is to break the bond - I'm lazy & overworked, so I try avoid marathon sessions dicking about with stuff.
Ok 👍, thanks for taking your time to message me ,👍 I'll give it a go see what happens