That's exactly how Ackbar planned the battle of Ebaq 9 where the New Republic CRUSHED the Vong into the ground and killed tens of thousands of them and hundreds of their warships.
@@heavyarms55 Well, in fact Tsavong Lah didn't want to attack Ebaq 9, but because Nom Anor convinced Shimrra/Onimi, Shimrra forced Tsavong Lah to attack. If Onimi would have trust Tsavong Lah, they would've defeated the Republic easily.
@@It_is_what_it_is00 It's true that Tsavong Lah didn't want to attack Ebaq 9 because it was Nom Anor's idea. But that's the only reason he didn't want to do it. Fact is, everything Ackbar planned out would have worked overall regardless. Corellia, which is where Lah wanted to attach, would have worked as well. Centerpoint would have trapped Lah's fleet there, and the New Republic would have been able to crush it. The Republic had planned for a major operation, they had been training and readying their military for months. Lah's forces had become bogged down in pacification duties and patrolling conquered worlds. If Lah attacked someone other than one of the major shipyards, the New Republic would have scatters and launched counter attacks on a dozen other locations to force Lah to back off or capture one system at the expense of losing several. Once Cal Omas was elected, the new High Council formed, Ackbar back, and the military and the Jedi started co-operating, it was only a matter of time. The Vong couldn't innovate, they were not flexible and they were literally running out of bodies to throw at the New Republic. They were becoming more and more reliant on slave soldiers and mercenaries. But the New Republic had new recruits, new ships and new allies joining the fight all the time.
Use small forces of battle droïds to lead yuzan vong team into battle frenzy and then crush them in devastating ambush you can also do this to space with corectly placed intel to where the battle doïds come from
People would have lisent to Thrawn if he didn't attack the New Republic and try to explain the whole situation of the Vong, an alliance between the New Republic and the Empire of the Hand could have done the trick.
People would have listened to Thrawn if Thrawn had come to the New Republic peacefully and brought an end to the Civil War, instead of making the same mistake most Imperials made and assuming they could win, alone.
@@thedarkknight727 I absolutely agree. He is one of my favorite characters in Star Wars, but his one major flaw, is very much a crippling one. He has that same Imperial overconfidence and that was his undoing. He could have brought the New Republic, Empire of the Hand and Imperial Remnant together, helped to crush rogue elements, and created a stable galactic government. With that, the reborn Palpatine wouldn't have been such a threat, people like Daala would have become allies, rather than enemies, and Thrawn and Ackbar working together would have smacked the Vong right back to the intergalactic void!
9:29 - there, right there, you pointed out what really crippled the New Republic - Borsk Fey'lya. No other character epitomizes that the trope of obstructive bureaucrat. Hell, I'd argue that he did more damage to the New Republic, than even the best of its Vong's emplaced agents
That's disingenuous. While Borsk Fey'lya was indeed a massive buffoon that most certainly contributed to the New Republic's total collapse, the reality of the situation was that he was little more than a powerless figurehead for a completely ineffective government. The REAL power in the New Republic was the New Republic Senate, which was an entirely corrupt, hopelessly divided and hilariously incompetent mess that effectively paralyzed the New Republic war effort with indecision, cowardice, dereliction of duty and pure self-interest. Then you take into consideration that the New Republic was actually just a confederacy of independent star systems that more-or-less managed/governed/defended (from minor threats, mind you) themselves all while the New Republic itself merely provided blanket protection from major threats and political advice/guidance in terms of "galactic governance" (meaning that it was completely powerless and entirely impotent). A fact that forced the New Republic Defense Fleet to remain deliberately tiny and relatively weak due to fears that it might be used as a tool of tyrannical oppression against the de-facto independent star systems that comprised the New Republic all on top of being forced to rely upon said de-facto independent star systems to provide their own planetary defense fleets for the collective defense of the New Republic in the event of an existential crisis. All of which wound up biting the New Republic in the ass once it became crystal clear that the New Republic Defense Fleet was far too small to provide blanket protection for its territory (which it had to do out of political necessity) and that its individual members straight-up refused to do anything outside of protecting themselves (which naturally made it that much easier for the Yuuzhan Vong to divide and conquer), at that. Then you have the New Jedi Order constantly bitching and moaning about morally questionable options (most prominently Alpha-Red) that could've effortlessly destroyed the Yuuzhan Vong with entirely negligible loss of life and collateral damage on the part of the New Republic in addition to New Republic generals and field commanders also bellyaching over morally-questionable orders (i.e firing upon refugee convoys that are obviously being used as human shields by the Yuuzhan Vong and are as good-as-dead, anyways) even when said orders would save far more lives than they could ever hope to take, as well. The overall truth of the matter is that the New Republic as a whole quite simply wasn't built to withstand, nevermind survive, an actual crisis. Blaming any one individual (even the likes of Borsk Fey'lya) for its overall total failure as a nation couldn't possibly cloud that particular fact.
The whole thing could have been avoided if anyone actually talked to Thrawn. But failing that, the galaxy failed to understand the concept of a total war. When faced with utter annihilation, ALL bets are off. Orbital bombardment, bioweapons, nukes... All need to be available.
@@ulfricstormcloak6675 Sherman had morals.Think about it like this. The longer the war drags on, the more boys on both sides are going to die. The more innocents caught in the crossfire and the more cities destroyed. The fastest way may result in more deaths and destruction in a given period of time compared to if it isn't implemented, but it will reduce the overall casualties of an extended conflict. To use a simile think of a business. It's bleeding $500 a day. To close the business entirely, it would cost $35000. If the business loses that $500 on average, they can go up to 70 days without losing more than if they'd closed (and in economic sense, would have a chance to turn things around) But if the losses continue beyond those 70 days, they would have lost even more money than if they'd just closed and will still have to make that decision of closing or trying to drag out the losses until there's no money left. Now think of that as people. Assume 500 soldiers on each side is dying a day. Sherman can end the war by killing 35k in a single day, which seems horrific compared to the relatively small comparative number of 500, but if he doesn't end the war, it will stretch on indefinitely, either until one side is completely wiped out, (Way more than relative 35k) or a compromise is forced and Slavery continues as part of the deal, as the south would have demanded as they were founded on " the great truth of the inferiority of the negro"
The Yuuzhan Vong War and the NJO is not only one of my absolute favorite parts of Star Wars, but one of my favorite parts of sci-fi in general. I think they were an excellent foil of the Star Wars Galaxy. They were the reverse of everything the Star Wars Galaxy stood for. Ruthless, religious, fanatical, uniform, etc. They put Galaxy into the greatest crisis itself. A big part of the problem with your strategies in this video is that you make them with 20/20 hindsight. The New Republic didn't and couldn't have known about their resource issues, religious ideology, etc. Many of the things you propose, you suggest with all the knowledge that was collected throughout the course of the books. In Destiny's Way Admiral Ackbar points out how we knew almost nothing about the Vong at the start of the war and blames much of the NR's poor response on the total failure of the intelligence community - something the leaders of those organizations don't even TRY to deny. I largely agree with your points about the weak response of the New Republic at the start and the unwillingness to respond with overwhelming force - but you do have to consider that large parts of the New Republic fleet was still bogged down on policing duty fixing regional issues, like the Caamas document crisis only a couple years prior. I totally agree with your points about bringing battle droid armies online from the old CIS. But we both know that because of when these books were written, it was not really known what had happened to those droid armies. I believe we had only seen the Phantom Menace at that point. Maybe Attack of the Clones. Another serious problem with your bioweapon that you do not address that is addressed in the books is blowback. Bioweapons, especially viruses are created by breeding the virus and releasing it into the wide. Viruses MUTATE. And viruses and bacteria etc reproduces TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of times. There is no way you can promise the disease would not mutate and spread to the people of the Galaxy and leave it sterile in the end. Even the non-Jedi members of the High Council largely disagreed with the use of Alpha Red. On a final note, I do totally agree that Borsk Fey'lya's leadership was a mess but it was a mess that wasn't entirely his fault. Leia Organa and many Rebellion era leaders basically LET it get that way. They all resigned, retired or quit by this point. As a result, the few solid leaders left in the New Republic government were left without allies. People like Treibark, Cal Omas, Elegos A'kla were left without a strong power base. I don't mean to sound scathing. I think you make great videos and this was an interesting watch. I just don't quite agree with some of what you're saying here. Thanks for the uploads! I can't wait for more of your Thrawn's Revenge and Awakening of the Rebellion videos on your other channel!
I love the new Jedi order series too it’s one of my all time favorite Star wars stories, I think introduced some great characters concepts and ideas. I wish more people knew about it
You are absolutely right about Alpha Red. The virus DID mutate, in fact. It was released on the world of Caluula and it adapted to each individual Vong's unique genetics, despite Chiss assurances that it would not, and began attacking other lifeforms on the world where it was deployed. Sentient and nonsentient lifeforms that were not Vong were being killed off. In the end, it was determined that Alpha Red worked TOO well, and the entire world had to be quarantined. I mean seriously, by that point, you might as well raze the whole damn planet with an orbital bombardment. And it was not just the Jedi who protested against the use of this bioweapon. Wedge Antilles said, "Genocide is what the Emperor did. It's what the Yuuzhan Vong do. It shouldn't be what we do. If it is, I'm fighting for the wrong cause." The tactics that Eck proposed are Imperial tactics. It's hard to believe that the white-hat Good Guys who had been fighting for freedom and democracy to be brought back to the galaxy should and would turn around and destroy *their own worlds* from orbit. They wanted and needed to believe that the Vong could be dealt with, talked to, that a peace could be negotiated...and unfortunately the Vong took advantage of that belief by telling them that if the Jedi gave themselves up, the rest of the worlds would be spared. And of course, the biggest problem was that Borsk Fey'lya was the president at the time of the invasion, and he was all about protecting his own interests instead of looking after the interests of the people. But of course, that is exactly why he was put in charge; the writers had to have an incompetent leader running things in order for this invasion to be successful. Any competent leader would have acte far sooner.
If the Emperor was still in command the vong would be absolutely devastated in my opinion especially if the Death Star 2 was intact as well as the hole fleet of 25,000 star destroyers
Totally agree If Empire would’ve won the battle for Endor, the Vong would’ve been so royally fucked They wouldn’t have been able to gain a beach head anywhere in the Galaxy Only against the Star Destroyers & Super+ classifications the sheer numbers would’ve crushed them Plus the Death Star 2 Jesus, the World Devastators as well.... Have it all coordinated with Galaxy Gun rounds being fired from the Core/Mid-Rim Bye Bye Woldships! Oh the Vong get a beachhead? Okay, let their forces build up & send the Sun Crusher in to supernova the FUCKING STAR
@@justinlast2lastharder749 True. However, it still would have been useful against deployed troops on the ground, although not terribly effective against chunky capital ships.
I semi-agree on all of these. They all come from the idea that you ALREADY knew critical informations about the Vong, that the Republic took TIME to gather, and suffered while doing it.
@@ModuliOfRiemannSurfaces Yes you do. You cant pre-destroy the world of your inhabitants without knowing it would be a critical strike on the invaders.
@@Camuska To be honest it wouldn't be too hard to make even overruned planets unhabitable if republic was quick about it. And since they're lost to the invasion, there shouldn't be too many problems with public image even after doing so.
The use of sith technobeasts would basically implement all strategies mentioned: a world ship becoming metallic the turning on them would cause morale to plummet.
How to defeat the Vong; an interactive journey. 1 - stop the Jedi from letting the vong leadership escape 2 - kill the shit out of the vong 3 - stop letting the jedi be merciful Done, no more vong
The Vong where on a total war footing, that's very dangerous to fight. If your enamy won't stop till they win or die you need to respond in kind, take the gloves off and break them and that can mean doing things you disagree with or even regret.
@@emetanti They would be shitty tyranids yes. also Adeptus Astrates are shit despite what people make them out to be, space marines are really just fancy flashy thing that don't do shit - in IoM guard do much more then space marines can
@@thalmoragent9344 the mission the three solo children and other jedi went on to kill the voxyn queen to stop the vong from making more of the jedi-killers. it is detailed in the book "star by star"
Legendary Broly Boi It’s from a fantastic novel “Star By Star” A Jedi Strike mission to kill the Voxyn (massive 6 legged Jedi killing creatures) It’s a long read, but a loooooot happens in that novel that changes the Star Wars universe forever It’s a must read for EU fans
One of the concerns brought up (in the novels ) about using bio weapons was the fear that the Vong , being masters of bio-tech on a completely other level than the republic, could reverse engineer the weapon and use it against the republic.
They didn't have to, actually. Some people had raised the objection that viruses, once released into an uncontrolled environment like a living world, can and often do mutate, and that is exactly what happened. The virus mutated on its own and began killing non-Vong lifeforms as well. And the way it killed the Vong tech and warriors was rather gruesome in that the warriors would continue to bleed from their mouths and eyes long after they were dead, and they eventually liquefied. (I don't remember if total liquefication happened to the non Vong lifeforms).
With the budget of the core, the old CIS droids would devastate. Imagine having a bunch of commando droids, Magna guards, and droideka. The vulture droid numbers and all around performance would be destructive. The cost efficiency of the CIS is something to admire.
The Entechment plan is worse than a bioweapon from the point of view of the Jedi and the moral high ground. (You underestimate my power....) That would be a true cruel and unusual torture and war crime. Palpatine would have done it in five seconds.
its mentioned in the Vong Arc (I forget the exact book) that Palpatine did everything he did, due to intel that the Vong were coming They had been making incursions for decades before the actual invasion Why he was able to get said intel The hatred of aliens was to prevent the population from allying with the Vong The massive military build-up & emphasis on super-weapons
@@DanielSan1776 I would more say the Vong made for a excellent reason to arm up big times for him while already at it. Afterall he couldn´t continue his hunt for immortality to rule forever if those guys trashed his empire.
You are absolutely correct. I was literally screaming at the New Republic to do exactly those things throughout the entire series. Alpha Red was too little, too late, but I loved that it existed at all. Everyone in the Republic was trying to hard to be "not the Empire" that they were ignoring viable tactics that would have turned the tide in that war a lot sooner.
*Rollseyes* How many Wars has Canada Started? The Old Republic was able to act with military might once they recognized the threat the CIS posed. The Old Republic would have taken too long to fight the CIS if it wasn't for Darth Sidius requisitioning more ships and the clones behind the Senate's back. It took the New Republic longer to react to the Vong. There was peace, so it took longer for the New Republic to reposition its fleets. Since the Vong were a new faction, it took much longer to come up with counters to their tech than it took the Old Republic to counter CIS. Yet the New Republic saw atrocities the Empire did and refused to emulate them. This would have removed three strategies Eck proposed. No Destroying Planets/Systems, no Making Planets inhabitable, no use of biological/chemical warfare. Making a Droid Army costs money... not to mention supplies. This would require the New Republic to redesign factories. This takes time. All-in-all, I don't see how the Republic would be able to mount a defense against Vong World Ships any sooner than a few months into the fighting.
Oh god, condescending asterisks. Listen, I'm genuinely sorry if I offended your Canadian heart. But nothing you said makes the New Republic any less inept for outright refusing to use orbital bombardments in the early stages of the war.
@@junko4166 , Why would they use Orbital Bombardment? What justification is there to wreck planets like that? Doesn't the New Republic have Laws regarding appropriate use of military actions? Don't want the good guys to commit war crimes and all... It's psychological. The New Republic wouldn't stoop to the Empire's level until they have no choice. It's like Asking Canada to act like USA/Russia and invade every other country just because they want the resources in those countries...
@@zorkmid1083 , Selectively bombard a planet is nice... yet a planet is one huge hiding place. In order for the orbital bombardments to work.. they need to take out every structure on the planet... with a fleet that's sitting in orbit that is exposed to the Vong navy...
Hey Eck, don't forget about the Orange Panthacs used by the New Republic - a platoon of B2 SBDs that, while activated on Mantessa, were able to hold back an incursion by a force of Vong Fire Breathers. Heck, they were even awarded a special commendation by the Chief of State of the Galactic Alliance, Cal Omas, something noted to be an exceptionally rare honor for droids. If nothing else, the use of the Orange Panthacs shows that ex-CIS droid forces were at least somewhat used, just obviously not to the level they should have been. But, their contribution is certainly worth noting.
The New Republic could have infested the world ships with nano-bots. Programming them to create all kinds of havoc. Also having a side effect of just generally freaking the Vong out with tiny robots in their midst. Great video!
I'm reading The Unifying Force right now. There is a part where Onimi uses an ooglith masquer to change his anatomy in order to look like one of Shimrra's Slayers, so I think the Vong can appear as anyone, not just humanoids. Just thought that was interesting, as it's something I've been thinking about since the Covenant vs. Vong video
Borsk Fey'lya was Unwilling, and Despised everyone who was not one of his sycophants, Particularly non-Bothans. He was extremely Narcissistic, and believed that everyone Below him was not worth his time unless he gained something from them.
A lot of these strategies seem reminiscent of what the Galactic Empire would have used, which was probably a big reason the New Republic did not use them, or did not use them to as great a degree as they should have. The New Republic had to distance itself from the Galactic Empire lest they lose legitimacy and support.
Can't help but feel the reason why New Republic didn't go all out at the beginning of the invasion, was that they might have been thinking that the galaxy needed time to recover from the civil war and the peace treaty with the empire, and by the time the invasion begun both the new republic and the empire was shocked that it even happened
I find it absolutely hilarious that the faction that included both Rebel and Imperial people and technology, including the main cast of the OT, got so badly destroyed by a faction that would've be done in by the CW-era, Unlimited Clankas, led-by-a-robot-with-TB, three warcrimes per episode-CIS.
@@dianabarnett6886 I disagree. The xenomorphic blood would heavily complicate any attempts at research, it would be a race. Can the Vong come up with counter measures fast enough to actually start studying them, before the Alien Swarm defeats them. As constricted as the Vong Shapers are, I highly doubt they will be able to before they are conquered. I do admit it's been a few years since I read this part if Star Wars but I give it to the Xenonorphs.
@@isaacgraff8288 The Vong managed to create miniature gravitational singularities for the purpose of starship protection via biotech. I don't think a little acid blood is going to slow them down.
Eck is right as usual. When trillions of lives, an entire galaxy wide, are in jeopardy, you need to use every arsenal at your disposal and go scorched earth by a near infinite magnitude, Jedi be damned... At the choice of life or possible extinction of life galaxy wide, I find it difficult that Jedi such as Luke would disagree.
The combination of bio weapons and droid armies work amazingly well. Drop defoliators on them using hyena bombers. Bog them down in upgraded B1’s or B2’s and drop defoliators on top of them. No friendly fire and utter devastation to vong infantry and vehicles. In addition, the vong will never use ion weaponry against the droids, their amphistaff weapons venom is useless, and we cannot forget that the droids have absolutely no fear. I believe this is the determining factor in the victory of the B2’s over the yuuzhan vong at the battle of mantessa. The vong met an enemy who no amount of psychological warfare or biological warfare would work against. The B2’s were the only thing colder, more emotionless, more genocidal, and more suicidal than the vong. They might be cut in half and have less armor but the B2’s are extremely strong and, barring plot weaponry, extremely resilient. Lost limbs or a torso may not stop a B2 meaning the vong will never quite be sure, is it really dead. It’s like police dogs, some A-hole will take hostages, shoot at police, and resist for hours if its a person. But once a dog is loose it’s a different story. They know that the dog doesn’t care about the hostages, the gun, the law, nothing matters to that dog other than clamping it’s jaws on the fugitive and bringing him down. That’s what the vong faced at mantessa, but a horde of them, that only want to kill, with guns, and wrist rockets. Gotta watch those wrist rockets...
You could just scrap them. A lot of Governments do this in the real world. Produce absurd numbers of machines of war because you need them now, and then scrap them once the conflict ends. Of course, you do also have assets that get sold to other nations, but that isn't a guaranteed outcome.
The battle droid thing especially makes a lot of sense. I guess the real world answer is that Ep I was just coming out when Vector Prime was released, and they didn't get those two together. Also, they wanted to show the Star Wars galaxy on the ropes, so an easy fix wouldn't have worked
Paused @ 2:54 Yup.. Why the YZV feared the Empire because the Imperial Military won't be scared to use tactics and maneuvers that the New Republic deemed "harsh" but effective against the YZV. That principle of asset denial, like scorched earth, tactics, for example, would make them scalp for supplies outside their galaxy and make the invasion x10 more difficult than it should have been.
Hmm... You would think so, but it really depends on how the Vong's resistance to the Force and Force powers works. If Abeloth was able to get into their heads and spread among them, or control some of them, or even go all-in with her massive telekinesis, she could take them easily, but if they could resist most of that, Abeloth wouldn't have many other options except to mind-control another faction to fight them for her.
@@valtersplume3726 That's not the reason they are separated from the force... Their connection was severed after they started on the warpath and committed genocide on their home galaxy
The battle droid angle is pretty spot on. Using an army of literally war machines against a society of technophobes is probably the most effective form of conventional AND psychological warfare they could have used
Here a possibility for episode 9 that'll obviously not be implemented. In TLJ, the Supremacy is hyperspace rammed by the Raddus's into two halves. Despite the immense damage caused, it was suggested that the Supremacy was still somewhat functional. And now that Palpatine is confirmed to be in the new movie it might mean that the eclipse ship is canonized. What if Palpitatine seizes control of the first order, seeing them as utterly incompetent and then merges the Supremacy and the Eclipse together into a single mighty ship with absurd capabilities. The two halves of the Supremacy would be smoothened and managed until they are of equal mass and then they sandwich the Eclipse between the two halves. It now has interdiction capabilities and a devastating superlaser combined with the 'long' range super heavy turbolasers, immense manufacturing capabilities and firepower of the Supremacy. You get to choose the name of my theoretical ship. Like I said do not expect this from the new movie at all. I'm just giving you an interesting possiblity.
Imagine if somehow (maybe due to surviving Imperial Sith Acolytes or something) Belia Darzu's technovirus was deployed against the Yuuzhan Vong. Through the Force it might be possible to direct the nanovirus to only infect the Yuuzhan Vong instead of other species, and the result would be akin to Eck's Entechment plan: their worst nighmare delivered upon them. The Jedi would never allow it, but if they didn't have a say, it might have been possible.
Even ignoring the moral issues involved in using bio-weapons to commit genocide, I'd be too terrified that a bio-weapon could mutate until it turned against me.
Yeah, ngl, I like the NJO books a lot, but they have the same problem as most science fiction does at completely misunderstanding the democracy vs. dictatorship issue and what it means in terms of defense. This whole idea that „democracies“ (really just societies with some form of formal collective decision making) are complacent and weak whereas dictatorships are well-organized, efficient and powerful, is really just a trope. History usually shows the opposite, and it is always more complex. All other things being equal, formal republics have a much better chance of mobilizing their whole population in the face of external threats, including disgruntled elements. Whereas autocracies, especially after a few decades, are often so top-heavy and corrupt that their military just falls apart, and while the population may respond earnestly to the external threat, with even the low-level military leadership thoroughly corrupted, they can never form a cohesive force. Excellent examples for this are France during the Franco-Prussian war (contrary to modern perception, Napoleon III was expected to win this war easily at the time) or the Russian Empire in WWI. Whereas for example both the Young USA and the French Revolutionary Government were able to defend themselves very effectively against powerful outside forces. I think it says something profound about our society that the leading school of thought* within that society fundamentally believes collective government to be bad, even though evidence tends to be to the contrary. Or maybe they‘d just rather be running a dictatorship. *btw, I‘m not saying that the writers of Star Wars hate democracy or are responsible for any of this, but that the people who have the most influence on collective consciousness, say by writing newspaper, movies or schoolbooks seem to be so reactionary that almost everyone becomes infected with those ideas.
"Keep them upset, keep them angry, keep them scared and they will act predictably." - This is objectively the best strategy that Good can do in the face of unrelenting evil.
So send in millions of droids...also as a GM in a Star Wars rpg i really likes your videos as they have been helping me with explaining things for my players.... I also hate your videos as they are giving my players ideas.... Thank you, I will keep enjoying your work.
Can you do the Gray Paladins from coruscant nights? They're a Jedi faction that used blasters and other weapons one was so good that she was able to send one of her own bolts straight up an enemy's blaster barrel. They also believed in using the force as little as possible so they focused on other skills like martial arts and military tactics like guerrilla warfare, urban tactics, espionage, and infiltration.
You know I really like you and your channel a lot right? Love the Empire at war game. That really blows my mind, considering I started gaming with pockets full of quarters and an Atari that had less than 8 bits of graphics capability. Okay, onion on my belt story over... for today.😈
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EckhartsLadder why didn’t the Vong have any planets were they defeated in a different galaxy ?
#AskEck
*Attempt 514*
Do the Forerunners vs Warhammer 40k factions and time eras of the galaxy.
@@thorshammer7883
Really putting that hammer down. lol
@@Stratonetic
Yep.
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Step 1: Give Thrawn ultimate control of all militaries.
Step 2: Keep the politicians in line and do what Thrawn says.
Vong: don't mix tech and organic. Just no tech at all.
Grievous: Hello There
I would pay to see Grievous tearing the Vong a new one.
Dude that would be sick
UUH YES THE NEGOTIATOR!!!!!!!!!!!
What if grievous was not a cyborg but was rebuilt using yuushan vong-tech?
@@user-pm4yd3cf4p I WOULD BE THE MOST OVERPOWERED SITH TO EVER LIVE
No wonder Palpatine scared them.
These would be his opening moves.
He used a brain!
@@Fer-De-Lance
Actually, it looks more and more like he was preparing for them.
Which makes me ask how he knew about them.
@@FBI-1987 thrawn told him.
@@blacksuite1
When did he tell Palps, and when did Thrawn find out about them?
@@FBI-1987 he lived in the outer rim
Strategy #1: Just let Eck deal with the Vong.
POWER UNLIMITED POWER
Strategy #0: let Thrawn deal with the vong
bladefox2298 have Eck and Thrawn deal with them, they wouldn’t last half a day
Sounds like a womans strategy. Deny dem ass etc.
@@FrothyFawn Eck, Thrawn, get your fleets together, it;s time to go Vong huntin'
The one and most important strategy: Always have the high ground.
Unless the sheer width of your body negates the power of the high ground, as seen in Ben swolo.
Problem is, they came through the galactic north, so they technically started with the high ground!
Especially if you’re a stormtrooper and there are stairs. Stay on the high ground do not attempt descending
-Banakin 2020
Excuse me?
an easily angered enemy is a predictable enemy. a predictable enemy is an enemy that's already lost
That's exactly how Ackbar planned the battle of Ebaq 9 where the New Republic CRUSHED the Vong into the ground and killed tens of thousands of them and hundreds of their warships.
@@heavyarms55 "ACKBAR IS BACK"
@@heavyarms55 Well, in fact Tsavong Lah didn't want to attack Ebaq 9, but because Nom Anor convinced Shimrra/Onimi, Shimrra forced Tsavong Lah to attack. If Onimi would have trust Tsavong Lah, they would've defeated the Republic easily.
@@It_is_what_it_is00 It's true that Tsavong Lah didn't want to attack Ebaq 9 because it was Nom Anor's idea. But that's the only reason he didn't want to do it. Fact is, everything Ackbar planned out would have worked overall regardless. Corellia, which is where Lah wanted to attach, would have worked as well. Centerpoint would have trapped Lah's fleet there, and the New Republic would have been able to crush it.
The Republic had planned for a major operation, they had been training and readying their military for months. Lah's forces had become bogged down in pacification duties and patrolling conquered worlds. If Lah attacked someone other than one of the major shipyards, the New Republic would have scatters and launched counter attacks on a dozen other locations to force Lah to back off or capture one system at the expense of losing several.
Once Cal Omas was elected, the new High Council formed, Ackbar back, and the military and the Jedi started co-operating, it was only a matter of time. The Vong couldn't innovate, they were not flexible and they were literally running out of bodies to throw at the New Republic. They were becoming more and more reliant on slave soldiers and mercenaries. But the New Republic had new recruits, new ships and new allies joining the fight all the time.
Use small forces of battle droïds to lead yuzan vong team into battle frenzy and then crush them in devastating ambush you can also do this to space with corectly placed intel to where the battle doïds come from
1:07 - None would happen if people only listened *THRAWN!*
People would have lisent to Thrawn if he didn't attack the New Republic and try to explain the whole situation of the Vong, an alliance between the New Republic and the Empire of the Hand could have done the trick.
People would have listened to Thrawn if Thrawn had come to the New Republic peacefully and brought an end to the Civil War, instead of making the same mistake most Imperials made and assuming they could win, alone.
@@heavyarms55: Very true, Thrawn might have been one of the most smartest and wises man in the Galaxy, but like every man, he had flaws.
@@thedarkknight727 I absolutely agree. He is one of my favorite characters in Star Wars, but his one major flaw, is very much a crippling one. He has that same Imperial overconfidence and that was his undoing. He could have brought the New Republic, Empire of the Hand and Imperial Remnant together, helped to crush rogue elements, and created a stable galactic government. With that, the reborn Palpatine wouldn't have been such a threat, people like Daala would have become allies, rather than enemies, and Thrawn and Ackbar working together would have smacked the Vong right back to the intergalactic void!
Again, he failed to understand politics.
Jedi moralizing was so frustrating during the Vong war.
How is it that the Jedi are this pacifistic? Even the Dalai Lama says it would be reasonable to shoot back at someone if they were shooting at you.
Old republic Jedi: War time!
Clone wars Jedi: I guess it's war time. Kinda rather not but ok, we have to.
New republic Jedi: VIOLENCE _REEEEEEE_
"This is your brain on the Light Side"
They seem to forget that they aren't the Jedi Monks. They're Knights.
@@dianabarnett6886 Ruusan was a mistake
I think anyone would be driven insane fighting endless hordes of B-1 battledroids. I know I would
I would use the under-used B2s.
Roger Roger!
@@05017351 damit, you beat me to it...
05017351 Roger, roger!
You underestimate how much battlefront 2 I played.
9:29 - there, right there, you pointed out what really crippled the New Republic - Borsk Fey'lya. No other character epitomizes that the trope of obstructive bureaucrat. Hell, I'd argue that he did more damage to the New Republic, than even the best of its Vong's emplaced agents
The only good thing Borsk Fey'lya ever did was blowing himself up.
@@dianabarnett6886 Fey’lya did nearly everything wrong. The only thing Fey’lya didn’t do wrong was killing Fey’lya.
My understanding is that he let them kill him, but had a bomb rigged to detonate when his heart stopped beating, a ‘fail-deadly’ weapon.
That's disingenuous. While Borsk Fey'lya was indeed a massive buffoon that most certainly contributed to the New Republic's total collapse, the reality of the situation was that he was little more than a powerless figurehead for a completely ineffective government.
The REAL power in the New Republic was the New Republic Senate, which was an entirely corrupt, hopelessly divided and hilariously incompetent mess that effectively paralyzed the New Republic war effort with indecision, cowardice, dereliction of duty and pure self-interest.
Then you take into consideration that the New Republic was actually just a confederacy of independent star systems that more-or-less managed/governed/defended (from minor threats, mind you) themselves all while the New Republic itself merely provided blanket protection from major threats and political advice/guidance in terms of "galactic governance" (meaning that it was completely powerless and entirely impotent).
A fact that forced the New Republic Defense Fleet to remain deliberately tiny and relatively weak due to fears that it might be used as a tool of tyrannical oppression against the de-facto independent star systems that comprised the New Republic all on top of being forced to rely upon said de-facto independent star systems to provide their own planetary defense fleets for the collective defense of the New Republic in the event of an existential crisis.
All of which wound up biting the New Republic in the ass once it became crystal clear that the New Republic Defense Fleet was far too small to provide blanket protection for its territory (which it had to do out of political necessity) and that its individual members straight-up refused to do anything outside of protecting themselves (which naturally made it that much easier for the Yuuzhan Vong to divide and conquer), at that.
Then you have the New Jedi Order constantly bitching and moaning about morally questionable options (most prominently Alpha-Red) that could've effortlessly destroyed the Yuuzhan Vong with entirely negligible loss of life and collateral damage on the part of the New Republic in addition to New Republic generals and field commanders also bellyaching over morally-questionable orders (i.e firing upon refugee convoys that are obviously being used as human shields by the Yuuzhan Vong and are as good-as-dead, anyways) even when said orders would save far more lives than they could ever hope to take, as well.
The overall truth of the matter is that the New Republic as a whole quite simply wasn't built to withstand, nevermind survive, an actual crisis. Blaming any one individual (even the likes of Borsk Fey'lya) for its overall total failure as a nation couldn't possibly cloud that particular fact.
@@JohnGeorgeBauerBuisMore tried to negotiate his way out of it, and the bomb was just a revenge from Borsk.
The whole thing could have been avoided if anyone actually talked to Thrawn.
But failing that, the galaxy failed to understand the concept of a total war. When faced with utter annihilation, ALL bets are off. Orbital bombardment, bioweapons, nukes...
All need to be available.
@Henry Alan A small price to pay for salvation
What is the point of defeating your enemies if you become one of them? You may join them instead and save the trouble.
kof ola William Tecumseh Sherman would like to disagree with your petty morals
kof ola the Vong? Not even close
@@ulfricstormcloak6675 Sherman had morals.Think about it like this. The longer the war drags on, the more boys on both sides are going to die. The more innocents caught in the crossfire and the more cities destroyed. The fastest way may result in more deaths and destruction in a given period of time compared to if it isn't implemented, but it will reduce the overall casualties of an extended conflict.
To use a simile think of a business. It's bleeding $500 a day. To close the business entirely, it would cost $35000.
If the business loses that $500 on average, they can go up to 70 days without losing more than if they'd closed (and in economic sense, would have a chance to turn things around) But if the losses continue beyond those 70 days, they would have lost even more money than if they'd just closed and will still have to make that decision of closing or trying to drag out the losses until there's no money left.
Now think of that as people. Assume 500 soldiers on each side is dying a day. Sherman can end the war by killing 35k in a single day, which seems horrific compared to the relatively small comparative number of 500, but if he doesn't end the war, it will stretch on indefinitely, either until one side is completely wiped out, (Way more than relative 35k) or a compromise is forced and Slavery continues as part of the deal, as the south would have demanded as they were founded on " the great truth of the inferiority of the negro"
sir the vong are attacking the empire.
tarkin : hold my beer.
"You may hold my beer when ready."
tarkin didn't know what the vong was
@@TheRealDarthRevan actually some people think that tarkin recruited thrawn out of fear of the vong.
Palpatine would just laugh and tell Thrawn he finally gets to handle with the outsiders he told him about.
swimfeared blows up all their world ships with the Death Star, galaxy gun and sun crusher
This video is sponsored by The Galactic Empire.
No, It's not. It's sponsored by the empire of the hand, and the third thrawn clone that likely had a lot to do with survivor's quest.
Come to the dark side we have cookies 🍪 😋 🤪
The Yuuzhan Vong War and the NJO is not only one of my absolute favorite parts of Star Wars, but one of my favorite parts of sci-fi in general. I think they were an excellent foil of the Star Wars Galaxy. They were the reverse of everything the Star Wars Galaxy stood for. Ruthless, religious, fanatical, uniform, etc. They put Galaxy into the greatest crisis itself.
A big part of the problem with your strategies in this video is that you make them with 20/20 hindsight. The New Republic didn't and couldn't have known about their resource issues, religious ideology, etc. Many of the things you propose, you suggest with all the knowledge that was collected throughout the course of the books. In Destiny's Way Admiral Ackbar points out how we knew almost nothing about the Vong at the start of the war and blames much of the NR's poor response on the total failure of the intelligence community - something the leaders of those organizations don't even TRY to deny.
I largely agree with your points about the weak response of the New Republic at the start and the unwillingness to respond with overwhelming force - but you do have to consider that large parts of the New Republic fleet was still bogged down on policing duty fixing regional issues, like the Caamas document crisis only a couple years prior.
I totally agree with your points about bringing battle droid armies online from the old CIS. But we both know that because of when these books were written, it was not really known what had happened to those droid armies. I believe we had only seen the Phantom Menace at that point. Maybe Attack of the Clones.
Another serious problem with your bioweapon that you do not address that is addressed in the books is blowback. Bioweapons, especially viruses are created by breeding the virus and releasing it into the wide. Viruses MUTATE. And viruses and bacteria etc reproduces TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of times. There is no way you can promise the disease would not mutate and spread to the people of the Galaxy and leave it sterile in the end. Even the non-Jedi members of the High Council largely disagreed with the use of Alpha Red.
On a final note, I do totally agree that Borsk Fey'lya's leadership was a mess but it was a mess that wasn't entirely his fault. Leia Organa and many Rebellion era leaders basically LET it get that way. They all resigned, retired or quit by this point. As a result, the few solid leaders left in the New Republic government were left without allies. People like Treibark, Cal Omas, Elegos A'kla were left without a strong power base.
I don't mean to sound scathing. I think you make great videos and this was an interesting watch. I just don't quite agree with some of what you're saying here.
Thanks for the uploads! I can't wait for more of your Thrawn's Revenge and Awakening of the Rebellion videos on your other channel!
I love the new Jedi order series too it’s one of my all time favorite Star wars stories, I think introduced some great characters concepts and ideas. I wish more people knew about it
@@aamirrazak3467 Ageed!
You are absolutely right about Alpha Red. The virus DID mutate, in fact. It was released on the world of Caluula and it adapted to each individual Vong's unique genetics, despite Chiss assurances that it would not, and began attacking other lifeforms on the world where it was deployed. Sentient and nonsentient lifeforms that were not Vong were being killed off. In the end, it was determined that Alpha Red worked TOO well, and the entire world had to be quarantined. I mean seriously, by that point, you might as well raze the whole damn planet with an orbital bombardment.
And it was not just the Jedi who protested against the use of this bioweapon. Wedge Antilles said, "Genocide is what the Emperor did. It's what the Yuuzhan Vong do. It shouldn't be what we do. If it is, I'm fighting for the wrong cause." The tactics that Eck proposed are Imperial tactics. It's hard to believe that the white-hat Good Guys who had been fighting for freedom and democracy to be brought back to the galaxy should and would turn around and destroy *their own worlds* from orbit. They wanted and needed to believe that the Vong could be dealt with, talked to, that a peace could be negotiated...and unfortunately the Vong took advantage of that belief by telling them that if the Jedi gave themselves up, the rest of the worlds would be spared.
And of course, the biggest problem was that Borsk Fey'lya was the president at the time of the invasion, and he was all about protecting his own interests instead of looking after the interests of the people. But of course, that is exactly why he was put in charge; the writers had to have an incompetent leader running things in order for this invasion to be successful. Any competent leader would have acte far sooner.
If the Emperor was still in command the vong would be absolutely devastated in my opinion especially if the Death Star 2 was intact as well as the hole fleet of 25,000 star destroyers
Totally agree
If Empire would’ve won the battle for Endor, the Vong would’ve been so royally fucked
They wouldn’t have been able to gain a beach head anywhere in the Galaxy
Only against the Star Destroyers & Super+ classifications the sheer numbers would’ve crushed them
Plus the Death Star 2
Jesus, the World Devastators as well....
Have it all coordinated with Galaxy Gun rounds being fired from the Core/Mid-Rim
Bye Bye Woldships!
Oh the Vong get a beachhead?
Okay, let their forces build up & send the
Sun Crusher in to supernova the FUCKING STAR
The CIS created a heavy artillery weapon destroying only organic matter named the Defoliator
It's a Projectile, which Dovin Basils could easily catch and nullify.
@@justinlast2lastharder749
True. However, it still would have been useful against deployed troops on the ground, although not terribly effective against chunky capital ships.
Remember the defoilator from the clone wars? That would be devastating against them
The problem is...Dovin Basils. Defoliator was a Projectile Weapon. Dovin Basils would pulled it out of the air harmlessly.
I semi-agree on all of these. They all come from the idea that you ALREADY knew critical informations about the Vong, that the Republic took TIME to gather, and suffered while doing it.
Accept for the heavy counter attack and perhaps the use of droids.
@@ModuliOfRiemannSurfaces Yes you do. You cant pre-destroy the world of your inhabitants without knowing it would be a critical strike on the invaders.
@@Camuska To be honest it wouldn't be too hard to make even overruned planets unhabitable if republic was quick about it. And since they're lost to the invasion, there shouldn't be too many problems with public image even after doing so.
The use of sith technobeasts would basically implement all strategies mentioned: a world ship becoming metallic the turning on them would cause morale to plummet.
Wouldn't that basically be a beat up, weaponless Death Star?
@@Stratonetic yes, but as said in the comment the point wasn't to get a new powerful warship, it was to cause a drop in enemy morale.
DESTROYING the Vong with REASON and FACTS
Vong screeching is not effective over what offends them XD
@@Audiotrocious am I OFFENDING you VONG LIBTARD?
@@justintyler4693 Now I understand why Star Wars fans were so upset over the black stormtrooper character. Ben Shapiro fans.
How to defeat the Vong; an interactive journey.
1 - stop the Jedi from letting the vong leadership escape
2 - kill the shit out of the vong
3 - stop letting the jedi be merciful
Done, no more vong
The Vong where on a total war footing, that's very dangerous to fight. If your enamy won't stop till they win or die you need to respond in kind, take the gloves off and break them and that can mean doing things you disagree with or even regret.
1.Exterminatus
2.Deploy Capital Weaponry
3.Liberation Fleet
4.Escalate Area Denial
5.Execute request order
ADEPTUS ASTARTES ULTRA
So basically : make the Vong fight the Imperium. They'll be utterly *demolished*.
They practically would be cheap Tyranids for the Imperium, wouldnt they.
@@emetanti They would be shitty tyranids yes.
also Adeptus Astrates are shit despite what people make them out to be, space marines are really just fancy flashy thing that don't do shit - in IoM guard do much more then space marines can
@@pauliusthemad3498 Yes Inquisitor, this comment here
@@pauliusthemad3498 As the saying goes: "The planet broke before the guard did"
So basically just World War One them to oblivion... Cool.
Please do more on the Vong War. Maybe the Mission to Mukur.
J C
What was the Mission to Mukur?
@@thalmoragent9344 the mission the three solo children and other jedi went on to kill the voxyn queen to stop the vong from making more of the jedi-killers. it is detailed in the book "star by star"
Legendary Broly Boi
It’s from a fantastic novel “Star By Star”
A Jedi Strike mission to kill the Voxyn (massive 6 legged Jedi killing creatures)
It’s a long read, but a loooooot happens in that novel that changes the Star Wars universe forever
It’s a must read for EU fans
It's *MYRKYR*
Myrkr
One of the concerns brought up (in the novels ) about using bio weapons was the fear that the Vong , being masters of bio-tech on a completely other level than the republic, could reverse engineer the weapon and use it against the republic.
They didn't have to, actually. Some people had raised the objection that viruses, once released into an uncontrolled environment like a living world, can and often do mutate, and that is exactly what happened. The virus mutated on its own and began killing non-Vong lifeforms as well. And the way it killed the Vong tech and warriors was rather gruesome in that the warriors would continue to bleed from their mouths and eyes long after they were dead, and they eventually liquefied. (I don't remember if total liquefication happened to the non Vong lifeforms).
Suggesting use of the Flood as a bioweapon is like using a flamethrower to deal with a break-in. It ends one problem and creates a bigger one.
Redeye yup
With the budget of the core, the old CIS droids would devastate. Imagine having a bunch of commando droids, Magna guards, and droideka. The vulture droid numbers and all around performance would be destructive. The cost efficiency of the CIS is something to admire.
1. T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing
2. Nebula Star Destroyer VS Pellaon class Star Destroyer
The Entechment plan is worse than a bioweapon from the point of view of the Jedi and the moral high ground. (You underestimate my power....) That would be a true cruel and unusual torture and war crime. Palpatine would have done it in five seconds.
its mentioned in the Vong Arc
(I forget the exact book) that Palpatine did everything he did, due to intel that the Vong were coming
They had been making incursions for decades before the actual invasion
Why he was able to get said intel
The hatred of aliens was to prevent the population from allying with the Vong
The massive military build-up & emphasis on super-weapons
@@DanielSan1776 I would more say the Vong made for a excellent reason to arm up big times for him while already at it. Afterall he couldn´t continue his hunt for immortality to rule forever if those guys trashed his empire.
I got an ad for a a charity right in the middle of Ech talking about the moral problems of using a bioweapon. I'm dying XD
You are absolutely correct. I was literally screaming at the New Republic to do exactly those things throughout the entire series. Alpha Red was too little, too late, but I loved that it existed at all. Everyone in the Republic was trying to hard to be "not the Empire" that they were ignoring viable tactics that would have turned the tide in that war a lot sooner.
Imagine refusing to bombard your enemy. The new republic is pretty much space Canada.
*Rollseyes*
How many Wars has Canada Started?
The Old Republic was able to act with military might once they recognized the threat the CIS posed. The Old Republic would have taken too long to fight the CIS if it wasn't for Darth Sidius requisitioning more ships and the clones behind the Senate's back.
It took the New Republic longer to react to the Vong. There was peace, so it took longer for the New Republic to reposition its fleets.
Since the Vong were a new faction, it took much longer to come up with counters to their tech than it took the Old Republic to counter CIS.
Yet the New Republic saw atrocities the Empire did and refused to emulate them. This would have removed three strategies Eck proposed. No Destroying Planets/Systems, no Making Planets inhabitable, no use of biological/chemical warfare.
Making a Droid Army costs money... not to mention supplies. This would require the New Republic to redesign factories. This takes time.
All-in-all, I don't see how the Republic would be able to mount a defense against Vong World Ships any sooner than a few months into the fighting.
Oh god, condescending asterisks.
Listen, I'm genuinely sorry if I offended your Canadian heart. But nothing you said makes the New Republic any less inept for outright refusing to use orbital bombardments in the early stages of the war.
@@junko4166 ,
Why would they use Orbital Bombardment? What justification is there to wreck planets like that? Doesn't the New Republic have Laws regarding appropriate use of military actions? Don't want the good guys to commit war crimes and all...
It's psychological. The New Republic wouldn't stoop to the Empire's level until they have no choice.
It's like Asking Canada to act like USA/Russia and invade every other country just because they want the resources in those countries...
@@aralornwolf3140 Does an orbital bombardment have to wreck the planet? Couldn't an orbital fleet do a selective bombardment?
@@zorkmid1083 ,
Selectively bombard a planet is nice... yet a planet is one huge hiding place. In order for the orbital bombardments to work.. they need to take out every structure on the planet... with a fleet that's sitting in orbit that is exposed to the Vong navy...
Yuuzhan Vong: I fear no man...
Yuuzhan Vong: But that thing...
*B1 BATTLEDROID*
Yuuzhan Vong: It scares me...
Hey Eck, don't forget about the Orange Panthacs used by the New Republic - a platoon of B2 SBDs that, while activated on Mantessa, were able to hold back an incursion by a force of Vong Fire Breathers. Heck, they were even awarded a special commendation by the Chief of State of the Galactic Alliance, Cal Omas, something noted to be an exceptionally rare honor for droids. If nothing else, the use of the Orange Panthacs shows that ex-CIS droid forces were at least somewhat used, just obviously not to the level they should have been. But, their contribution is certainly worth noting.
Damn eck, the droid consciousness transfer idea is super cold
The New Republic could have infested the world ships with nano-bots. Programming them to create all kinds of havoc. Also having a side effect of just generally freaking the Vong out with tiny robots in their midst. Great video!
The xwing books by Micheal stackpole might be my favorite books of all time
Don't listen to Disney, the Yuuzhang Vong is is canon to us. It was the only thing that made the empire look powerful
#LegendsIsTheNewCanon
:)
Oh not u again
@@hodor9851 no
@@DonKrieg-382 I'm everywhere. That's why
The Vong are basically a combination of the Locust, and the Reapers.
Interesting comparison. Although I always considered them to be the Orcs of Star Wars and somewhat influenced by the Zerg.
@@daniellongsworth4484: That as well. 😉
Keep up the good work EckhartsLadder
The time is near!
Our Lord and Savior Valiant Class Superheavy Cruiser/BattleCruiser is coming
Are you just copy/pasting this comment
@@privyetcomrade4841 eck himself said that users can keep commenting a single request until it is fulfilled
Pritish Shakya Blogs
Sorry I didn’t remember when he said that 😐
I'm reading The Unifying Force right now. There is a part where Onimi uses an ooglith masquer to change his anatomy in order to look like one of Shimrra's Slayers, so I think the Vong can appear as anyone, not just humanoids. Just thought that was interesting, as it's something I've been thinking about since the Covenant vs. Vong video
Vs matchup
Squad battle between Spartan 4s(Halo) vs Dark Trooper Mk3 (Star Wars)
He doesn't do these anymore
TheWingland 40k wins
15 Spartans vs 1 space marine librarian
Ez4 Ed neither of these are 40k
Darktrooper destroys.
Oh lord, that entechment plan is just frightening.
Edit: wait frightening is the wrong word. Brutal is the word I'm looking for.
Out of Star Wars lore but definitely feasible: Making space faring Cazadors and releasing those upon the Yuuzhan Vong.
Those or space faring Clannfears. The stuff my nightmares are made of, they would make the Yuuzhan Vong fly back to their own galaxy screaming.
Borsk Fey'lya was Unwilling, and Despised everyone who was not one of his sycophants, Particularly non-Bothans. He was extremely Narcissistic, and believed that everyone Below him was not worth his time unless he gained something from them.
A lot of these strategies seem reminiscent of what the Galactic Empire would have used, which was probably a big reason the New Republic did not use them, or did not use them to as great a degree as they should have. The New Republic had to distance itself from the Galactic Empire lest they lose legitimacy and support.
#AskEck Viking mech squadron( Starcraft) vs VF-1 Valkyrie Variable fighter squadron( SDF Macross).
Macross going to win that fight
I don’t think we should compare vikings, phoenixes are a lot cooler and more powerful. Also I want to see protoss on this channel.
Vs matchup
Imperial light cruiser vs CR90 corvette
What do you mean by imperial light cruiser?
#AskEck
Which SCP do you think would perfectly fit in the star wars or halo Universe?
The Pattern Screamers?
@@thorshammer7883 would deffo fit in Dead Space or Mass Effect.
I think 179 would fit in the Halo universe.
Earth could use a lookout.
Can't help but feel the reason why New Republic didn't go all out at the beginning of the invasion, was that they might have been thinking that the galaxy needed time to recover from the civil war and the peace treaty with the empire, and by the time the invasion begun both the new republic and the empire was shocked that it even happened
I love your ruthless fear tactics Eck!
I find it absolutely hilarious that the faction that included both Rebel and Imperial people and technology, including the main cast of the OT, got so badly destroyed by a faction that would've be done in by the CW-era, Unlimited Clankas, led-by-a-robot-with-TB, three warcrimes per episode-CIS.
Trillions of B2 Droids and Jango Fett Clones, Mandalorians, Chemical weapons and New Jedi Order would annihilate the Vong.
How would the Yuuzhan Vong stand up to the Xenomorph? #askEck
I think the xenomorphs would win
I think the Yuuzhan Vong would have a new biological horror at their disposal.
@@dianabarnett6886 I disagree. The xenomorphic blood would heavily complicate any attempts at research, it would be a race. Can the Vong come up with counter measures fast enough to actually start studying them, before the Alien Swarm defeats them. As constricted as the Vong Shapers are, I highly doubt they will be able to before they are conquered.
I do admit it's been a few years since I read this part if Star Wars but I give it to the Xenonorphs.
@@isaacgraff8288 xenomorphs are heavily reliant on being able to capture other things alive, if not they are screwed
@@isaacgraff8288 The Vong managed to create miniature gravitational singularities for the purpose of starship protection via biotech. I don't think a little acid blood is going to slow them down.
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Two words:
Faro plague
You're name's Justin?!?
I never thought I could like this channel even more
The third Justin from Canada i know of.
I like the brutality tactics, the vong depended on brutality to work, and that falls apart when your less brutal than the enemy
Could you make a video about the jedi who survived order 66 and were still alive after the battle of endor?
Both Canon and Legends? That would be interesting
why is listening to this while grinding in a game so vibe worthy
This title feels like something you'd see on some sort of Star Wars popular Magazine.
I like it.
Eck is right as usual. When trillions of lives, an entire galaxy wide, are in jeopardy, you need to use every arsenal at your disposal and go scorched earth by a near infinite magnitude, Jedi be damned... At the choice of life or possible extinction of life galaxy wide, I find it difficult that Jedi such as Luke would disagree.
Can you do a breakdown on the fall of coruscant and the battle of yuuzhan tar
Or just have a YVH attack a Vong warrior and have it stick a “Kick me” sign on it - the embarrassment alone would kill them! 🤣
The combination of bio weapons and droid armies work amazingly well. Drop defoliators on them using hyena bombers. Bog them down in upgraded B1’s or B2’s and drop defoliators on top of them. No friendly fire and utter devastation to vong infantry and vehicles.
In addition, the vong will never use ion weaponry against the droids, their amphistaff weapons venom is useless, and we cannot forget that the droids have absolutely no fear. I believe this is the determining factor in the victory of the B2’s over the yuuzhan vong at the battle of mantessa. The vong met an enemy who no amount of psychological warfare or biological warfare would work against. The B2’s were the only thing colder, more emotionless, more genocidal, and more suicidal than the vong. They might be cut in half and have less armor but the B2’s are extremely strong and, barring plot weaponry, extremely resilient. Lost limbs or a torso may not stop a B2 meaning the vong will never quite be sure, is it really dead.
It’s like police dogs, some A-hole will take hostages, shoot at police, and resist for hours if its a person. But once a dog is loose it’s a different story. They know that the dog doesn’t care about the hostages, the gun, the law, nothing matters to that dog other than clamping it’s jaws on the fugitive and bringing him down. That’s what the vong faced at mantessa, but a horde of them, that only want to kill, with guns, and wrist rockets. Gotta watch those wrist rockets...
Technically B1's do have fear.
4:05 - *bad idea* - who shall 'use' them after the war?(!)
You could just scrap them. A lot of Governments do this in the real world. Produce absurd numbers of machines of war because you need them now, and then scrap them once the conflict ends. Of course, you do also have assets that get sold to other nations, but that isn't a guaranteed outcome.
@@raf74hawk12 I meant the return of pro-confederate factions that are against to both empire and republic
Step 1: Use Monster Reborn to bring General Grevious back from the Graveyard
Step 2: Give him a droid army
Step 3: Accept their surrender
I would have a great weekend, but I have work tomorrow lol. Love the vids man, keep pumping out the great content
You should do more videos about the vong, they seem really cool
Inquisitor Eckharts has spoken, Exterminatus all planets that fall to the Vong. The Force protects.
The battle droid thing especially makes a lot of sense. I guess the real world answer is that Ep I was just coming out when Vector Prime was released, and they didn't get those two together. Also, they wanted to show the Star Wars galaxy on the ropes, so an easy fix wouldn't have worked
I call uploading Vongs into droid bodies : Operation Keep Summer Safe.
Explain
Paused @ 2:54 Yup.. Why the YZV feared the Empire because the Imperial Military won't be scared to use tactics and maneuvers that the New Republic deemed "harsh" but effective against the YZV. That principle of asset denial, like scorched earth, tactics, for example, would make them scalp for supplies outside their galaxy and make the invasion x10 more difficult than it should have been.
6:09 Don't you DARE suggest using the Flood for even a moment! Remember, one flood spore can destroy a species.
So does this answer my question last video if Abeloth could destroy the Yuuzhan Vong
Hmm... You would think so, but it really depends on how the Vong's resistance to the Force and Force powers works. If Abeloth was able to get into their heads and spread among them, or control some of them, or even go all-in with her massive telekinesis, she could take them easily, but if they could resist most of that, Abeloth wouldn't have many other options except to mind-control another faction to fight them for her.
Vong are from another galaxy, so they're immune to the Force.
This I want to see a full video on discussing
@@Audiotrocious exactly 👍🏾
@@valtersplume3726 That's not the reason they are separated from the force... Their connection was severed after they started on the warpath and committed genocide on their home galaxy
The battle droid angle is pretty spot on. Using an army of literally war machines against a society of technophobes is probably the most effective form of conventional AND psychological warfare they could have used
Here a possibility for episode 9 that'll obviously not be implemented. In TLJ, the Supremacy is hyperspace rammed by the Raddus's into two halves. Despite the immense damage caused, it was suggested that the Supremacy was still somewhat functional. And now that Palpatine is confirmed to be in the new movie it might mean that the eclipse ship is canonized. What if Palpitatine seizes control of the first order, seeing them as utterly incompetent and then merges the Supremacy and the Eclipse together into a single mighty ship with absurd capabilities. The two halves of the Supremacy would be smoothened and managed until they are of equal mass and then they sandwich the Eclipse between the two halves. It now has interdiction capabilities and a devastating superlaser combined with the 'long' range super heavy turbolasers, immense manufacturing capabilities and firepower of the Supremacy. You get to choose the name of my theoretical ship. Like I said do not expect this from the new movie at all. I'm just giving you an interesting possiblity.
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But possible not too possible like 15%
And it should be called the suprem ecliptica class MSD
7:32, Jesus Christ man. Tier 1 psychological warfare right there.
I like how, you actually pronounce Yuzhan properly
"Just don't tell the jedi cause they won't be really cool with it" lol nice
Imagine if somehow (maybe due to surviving Imperial Sith Acolytes or something) Belia Darzu's technovirus was deployed against the Yuuzhan Vong. Through the Force it might be possible to direct the nanovirus to only infect the Yuuzhan Vong instead of other species, and the result would be akin to Eck's Entechment plan: their worst nighmare delivered upon them. The Jedi would never allow it, but if they didn't have a say, it might have been possible.
Loved your entechment idea ..quite harsh, but to the point
I like how Ruthless you are Ek.
And Nanobots. imagine the shock to find out that they are infested with Nanobots.
Even ignoring the moral issues involved in using bio-weapons to commit genocide, I'd be too terrified that a bio-weapon could mutate until it turned against me.
#askeck are there any intergalactic fast food restaurants in the Star Wars galaxy? Like an intergalactic chick fil a?
Day 17
Just go and watch his april fools video about SW restaurants
The Captions said hey guys this is eckharts slaughter
Eck is just pulling a Thrawn this video
Easiest way to defeat the Vong
Send in the Astartes.
You kick the Vong SQUARE IN THE "NADS" 😂!
Wolf mans got nards?!?!
Yeah, ngl, I like the NJO books a lot, but they have the same problem as most science fiction does at completely misunderstanding the democracy vs. dictatorship issue and what it means in terms of defense. This whole idea that „democracies“ (really just societies with some form of formal collective decision making) are complacent and weak whereas dictatorships are well-organized, efficient and powerful, is really just a trope.
History usually shows the opposite, and it is always more complex. All other things being equal, formal republics have a much better chance of mobilizing their whole population in the face of external threats, including disgruntled elements. Whereas autocracies, especially after a few decades, are often so top-heavy and corrupt that their military just falls apart, and while the population may respond earnestly to the external threat, with even the low-level military leadership thoroughly corrupted, they can never form a cohesive force.
Excellent examples for this are France during the Franco-Prussian war (contrary to modern perception, Napoleon III was expected to win this war easily at the time) or the Russian Empire in WWI. Whereas for example both the Young USA and the French Revolutionary Government were able to defend themselves very effectively against powerful outside forces.
I think it says something profound about our society that the leading school of thought* within that society fundamentally believes collective government to be bad, even though evidence tends to be to the contrary. Or maybe they‘d just rather be running a dictatorship.
*btw, I‘m not saying that the writers of Star Wars hate democracy or are responsible for any of this, but that the people who have the most influence on collective consciousness, say by writing newspaper, movies or schoolbooks seem to be so reactionary that almost everyone becomes infected with those ideas.
The vong messed up the stat wars galaxy
Great vid
Theres a way for the first order to win OF COURSE STARKILLER BASE!
"Keep them upset, keep them angry, keep them scared and they will act predictably." - This is objectively the best strategy that Good can do in the face of unrelenting evil.
Hey eck can you do a modded stellaris campaign so you are fighting against star wars empires.
That would be really cool, and it would easily provide him quite a lot of episodes depending on how he divides it up
If he gets the Scourge crisis he could rp it as the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
So send in millions of droids...also as a GM in a Star Wars rpg i really likes your videos as they have been helping me with explaining things for my players.... I also hate your videos as they are giving my players ideas.... Thank you, I will keep enjoying your work.
Can you do the Gray Paladins from coruscant nights? They're a Jedi faction that used blasters and other weapons one was so good that she was able to send one of her own bolts straight up an enemy's blaster barrel. They also believed in using the force as little as possible so they focused on other skills like martial arts and military tactics like guerrilla warfare, urban tactics, espionage, and infiltration.
That sounds cool as hell. I think I read coruscant nights as a kid but can’t remember
You know I really like you and your channel a lot right? Love the Empire at war game. That really blows my mind, considering I started gaming with pockets full of quarters and an Atari that had less than 8 bits of graphics capability. Okay, onion on my belt story over... for today.😈
Mandator vs. Subjugator
UNSC Infinity vs. Any ship of your choosing
#AskEck