"Many saw the Vong as pretty hokey. I mean it is arguably cheesy to have this great unknown enemy, more powerful than any that ever have came before, waiting in the wings outside of the galaxy." ... First Order
No it's not any more hokey than Palpatine living and in legend he knew about them and was planning on dealing with them and they would prob never invade empire
But I think it b was brilliant you have something that isn't part of the cosmic force because they are outside your cosmos a different dimension it would make more sense than outside space that's only issue i had and once you introduce multiple dimension things can get cheesy in forget the explanation why they where not seen in force
I like the Vong because they were a new and interesting threat. Before that it was mostly just Imperial Remnant vs New Republic over and over again and that got stale after a while. That's why I was disappointed by the Sequel Trilogy because they basically did the same things.
The Sequel Trilogy was far worse than even that. The ST didn't have a Jedi order and blew countless opportunities. It didn't have any unique imperial units. It had a horrid and pointless plot. Their enemies were 1 dimensional and it blew the chance of having a new group of dark Jedi to fight the hedi order (like hundreds of Jedi vs hundreds of sith, it would still be smaller scale than Old Republic battles with thousands of each). The ST was basically a crappy version of the Old Empire vs Rebels.
Shit. I’ve been hoping for an R rated Darth Vader series between episode 3-4. With just him killing Jedi for years, but we might never get that kind of stuff
Congratulations on the baby man, just found out about this. I’m a big fan of your work, you’ll be at a million in no time. I hope the Yuuzhan Vong do come back to canon because I’d love to see something like that in a film.
I like the Yuuzhan Vong for a few reasons. They actually make Star “Wars” live up to its name. They are one of the very few arcs that bring the Imperials and New Republic to work together. There is a a heavy focus on Space combat which I absolutely love, especially with the focus on obscenely large ships. And they show more of the Chiss and what they are all about. The Vong are a good, new and fresh twist to Star Wars.
This is how I would make the Vong in canon. 1. They have superior durability to humans 2. They have thicker armor than New Republic troops (they can take 1-5 shots before going down in the body, but 1 headshot will take them out; they can tank indirect strikes but direct ones stop them) 3. They have superior strength 4. They have superior stamina to humans 5. They use melee blades that can either fire energy laser beams or fire yellow energy bolts (range of 900 meters But, without zoom) 6. Vong warriors can see twice as far as humans 7. They have elite troops with wings attached to their armor plus their blades that can fire powerful energy blasts 8. The Vong could have deadly hounds with a speed of 60 mph plus sharp claws and teeth 9. Vong have organic vehicles with powerful yellow blasts 10. Have Vong warriors with Black armor, another variant with brown armor, leaders with red armor plus flame grenades and a fire blast ability, leaders with blue armor and a power electric blast ability, a Vong leader with silver armor plus the ability to turn invisible, and a Vong leader gold armor plus the ability to blind enemies with flares plus stun abilities. In addition to This, remakes of classic Vong leaders like the huge Vong warrior that is 8 feet tall and weights 350 pounds. 11. Vong can be effected by the force But, aren't force sensitive 12. Give the Vong powerful weapons that can vaporize enemies 13. Still allow the Vong to terraform worlds 14. Still allow Vong to destroy worlds 15. Make the Vong as glory seekers, people who love battle, they still should be pain lovers, and instead of self mutilation they just brag about their battle scars from all the foes they defeated 16. The Vong train from young ages since they are children to be warriors
@@billclark5055 Fascinating concepts, my friend. Brilliant. I wonder if the Yuuzhan Vong will reappear in some iteration in the New "High Republic" series of story arcs. Reading up on the synopsis literature... "A Dangerous NEW threat to the Galaxy and to the Force itself [...]" "[...] Hyperspace anomalies and bizarre objects emerging from 'Deep Space threaten the [Old] Republic at the height of its expansion in the 'Outer Rim' [("Several centuries before the Battle of Yavin")] [...]" I doubt this. Not likely. It would be fascinating if this is the general concept though... The Yuuzan Vong now being relegated & introduced to the Deep past of the Star Wars historical Chronology, rather than having them become a threat immediately after the ratification of the Galactic Concordance, (as we see in the Legends EU). 👍
The Vong did have a moral nuance in terms of the dissident factions that eventually helped end the war, since they were being suppressed, they had no influence over the start of the war.
I actually liked the vong. they interest me because of how unique they are. I wish something similar was done in cannon with a threat so unique and powerful that the galaxy had to ban together to combat this threat!
I would like the Yuuzhan Vong to come back, they weren’t always top notch. But they were cool, with a neat idea and I liked that they were from another galaxy, showing that there was something else out there. Maybe do a little toning down of them, but I want them back.
I like the backstory from their home galaxy, maybe their home world should have lived to cut them off from the Force. But the droid wars to make them technophobic, and being totally organic based for everything was very cool.
This is how I would make the Vong in canon. 1. They have superior durability to humans 2. They have thicker armor than New Republic troops (they can take 1-5 shots before going down in the body, but 1 headshot will take them out; they can tank indirect strikes but direct ones stop them) 3. They have superior strength 4. They have superior stamina to humans 5. They use melee blades that can either fire energy laser beams or fire yellow energy bolts (range of 900 meters But, without zoom) 6. Vong warriors can see twice as far as humans 7. They have elite troops with wings attached to their armor plus their blades that can fire powerful energy blasts 8. The Vong could have deadly hounds with a speed of 60 mph plus sharp claws and teeth 9. Vong have organic vehicles with powerful yellow blasts 10. Have Vong warriors with Black armor, another variant with brown armor, leaders with red armor plus flame grenades and a fire blast ability, leaders with blue armor and a power electric blast ability, a Vong leader with silver armor plus the ability to turn invisible, and a Vong leader gold armor plus the ability to blind enemies with flares plus stun abilities. In addition to This, remakes of classic Vong leaders like the huge Vong warrior that is 8 feet tall and weights 350 pounds. 11. Vong can be effected by the force But, aren't force sensitive
Hostile Crocodile season 7 is only 12 episodes. 8 are just them finishing the animations they released online already,and the final 4 are the siege of mandalore. The vong were proposed for season 7 and concept art was made. Nothing else.
The vong should never be in Disney canon.They need to stop leeching off of the EU, and just continue the EU as a seperate universe. The vong in my eyes are a way more interesting than the First order.
Anything would've been more interesting than hitting the reset button on the galaxy. Gosh I just can't get over the fact how incredibly inept the world building for the sequels has been thus far. I can't even blame the books for the New Republic being incredibly stupid. They had to find some way The Force Awakens could happen. JJ couldn't have done a better job at creating the most unoriginal and boring setting imaginable.
Disney: *Makes the EU Non-Canon SW "Fans": Noooo my 40 years of books I hate you! Disney: *Takes elements from the EU and places them into the movies* SW "Fans": Noooo you can't just leech off the EU!
@@justmyluck624 When everything Disney takes from the EU is made worse in the process, they should really just stop trying to steal from other peoples ideas. I'd rather not have anything from the EU come back if Disney is gonna screw it up like everything else. To me, DIsney SW is just a bad fanfic. The EU is the real canon.
@@connor_phillipz5689 You mean the EU wherein Luke goes what amounts to "Force Super Saiyan" Luke sleeps with a technically dead woman and then falls for her again when her spirit possesses his hot student Luke eventually reaches ludicrous levels of power that even Rey would pale at And that killed off characters with almost as much vitriol as the Disney Canon? That EU is what you consider canon? Look, I think that Disney SW is good I like bits and pieces of the EU canon such as the Vong and Aboleth. But in comparison, the EU comes off *way* more as Fanfiction than the DC does, and it does it way more often. I think the current sequels are fine, in fact they might even be good. And I think they can only get better if we continue to include the good parts of the EU and drop off the bad parts.
Personally, I think the Vong were absolutely needed. How many times can a fragment of the empire find a super weapon laying around? It is hard to depict the Empire as both a continuing threat and a fractured mess. I just wish someone had stopped Crystal Star and Children of the Jedi from being published.
I found it interesting that in the new Thrawn books, Thrawn still talks about the unknown threats facing his people. The first thing I thought of was the Vong. I'm curious about what this threat is. I'm only one book in thus far though, so maybe its explained later.
My thought's exactly. You can come up with one thousand reasons they wouldn't bring back the Vong, but in the end, the only reason that matters to Disney is money. The Vong are too grotesque, not really conducive to the Kid's market, whether it be film or merchandise.
I would totally buy them! Imagine their ships being made of hard plastic and rubbery material to give them that organic feel. I think the toys would sell like hot cakes
The Vong are perfect in star wars, unlike the Imperials who keep the same themes for military and troopers. The Vong were like a new faction/enemy, who instead of just being powerful evil or sadistic, the Vong culture was developed from Millenia Warfare and brutality in some ways similar to the mandalorians. They explain how from devastating their homes Galaxy that's the Vong became force resistant. Not an anti force but that they in some way bred out the natural force connection that all beings are supposed to have
If they bring the Vong back, it won't be what they were, it'll be a new Disney SW version, one that is more in tone with the movies that have been released. The idea of a race invading the galaxy that isn't affected in any way by the force who hates droids and non-organic technology in general would fit well with the idea floating around that the droids are going to rise up in a new war.
This is how I would make the Vong in canon. 1. They have superior durability to humans 2. They have thicker armor than New Republic troops (they can take 1-5 shots before going down in the body, but 1 headshot will take them out; they can tank indirect strikes but direct ones stop them) 3. They have superior strength 4. They have superior stamina to humans 5. They use melee blades that can either fire energy laser beams or fire yellow energy bolts (range of 900 meters But, without zoom) 6. Vong warriors can see twice as far as humans 7. They have elite troops with wings attached to their armor plus their blades that can fire powerful energy blasts 8. The Vong could have deadly hounds with a speed of 60 mph plus sharp claws and teeth 9. Vong have organic vehicles with powerful yellow blasts 10. Have Vong warriors with Black armor, another variant with brown armor, leaders with red armor plus flame grenades and a fire blast ability, leaders with blue armor and a power electric blast ability, a Vong leader with silver armor plus the ability to turn invisible, and a Vong leader gold armor plus the ability to blind enemies with flares plus stun abilities. In addition to This, remakes of classic Vong leaders like the huge Vong warrior that is 8 feet tall and weights 350 pounds. 11. Vong can be effected by the force But, aren't force sensitive 12. Give the Vong powerful weapons that can vaporize enemies 13. Still allow the Vong to terraform worlds 14. Still allow Vong to destroy worlds
@@barryallen9466 Alright, well I make a lot of popular fanfictions and I'm a creative genius so I don't take it personal. Tbh I don't know much of the Vong besides reading a volume in the Star Wars Invasion series and looking at a few vids posted about them.
I'm kind of hoping that if they make a new enemy that isn't just "The Empire 2: Electric Boogaloo" that they recycle the two most interesting and pallatable concepts of the Yuuzhan Vong: 1. Extra-galactic invaders 2. All organic technology and hatred of machines
I think that making legends films and or tv shows would be a cool thing for disney to do with their streaming service, i doubt they'll do it because it might be confusing to some people but id be down for it
What if after episode 9 the Vong attack the New Republic after a few years of rebuilding and they know that demilitarization won’t work giving us better and larger space battles and a better insight into the New Republic military
Elijah Mikaelson This trilogy is already doomed because it technical ends during Episode IX ,but they could at least save future Star Wars films after ROTJ.
When it comes to the Yuuzhan Vong being disconnected to the force, you can look at it in the way that the Force broke itself off from them because of their mass destruction in their own galaxy. If the Force has a Will then it is plausible it would purposefully make the decision to separate itself from them.
Eckharts as a long time subscriber I hope to speak for everyone in saying that we would all be happy for you to take a week off if you need to and hope to see you back when your ready hope your child is healthy.
I liked the Vong. They were like the Cenobites meet the Borg but in the Star Wars galaxy. I always liked the whole "Enemy Mine" situation of The Truce At Bakura with the Empire and Rebellion temporarily joining forces, and that was taken up to 11 in the New Jedi Order.
I liked the Yuuzhan Vong and the whole New Jedi Order series; my first real exposure to the Expanded Universe, after reading the Essential Guides of the late 90s and early 2000s, was the New Jedi Order (particularly for the back half). That said, I find it unlikely that they will ever get more attention than perhaps a TV story arc (perhaps in John Favreau’s live action show). They are way to dark for children and way too simplistic from a moral standpoint (unless we had a main character who was a Vong Force adept of some sort). I think Disney would take a hatchet to their entire identity rather than invest in a film based upon the Legends incarnations. However, if there WAS some sort of major time skip, I think it would be possible for them to do a film or films in the aftermath of a Vong invasion (perhaps leading to something like Legacy of the Force). That way the focus would not have to be upon the Vong directly.
The Yuuzhan Vong vs the Dark Eldar. The Covenant vs the Eldar. Death Watch (canon and legends) vs the Banished. The Eternal Empire vs the Infinite Empire (inclouding all the droids and weapons they made that we see in SWTOR). Zann Consortium vs Jul 'Mdama's Covenant. The UNSC vs the Rebel Alliance. The Covenant vs the Infinite Empire (inclouding all the droids and weapons they made that we see in SWTOR). Jul 'Mdama's Covenant vs the Banished. Seraph vs T-65 X-Wing.
Eldar would wreck the covies easily and dark eldar vs vong would be an amazing shitfest of who can inflict more pain to another (quiet an interesting image in my eyes)
@@JJumper8888 I doubt the Eldar would wreck. The Covenant are more united, larger in numbers and the Eldar aren't that much more advanced. The Eldars only real major advantage are their psychers and the Avatar of Khaine.
@@brucejedilee5290 the thing is it's 40k so everything is cranked up to 21. When a Eldar can shred an Astartes into pieces? What would happen with an Ungoy or an Sangheili?
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I think they'll bring back the Vong, but with a bunch of changes to make them more acceptable to the new canon. I could imagine them dropping the extra-galactic aspect & the outside the force angle.
Captain Fordo Agreed and they could just have them vaporize people. It's brutal But, not r rated. The Vong could also use laser beams, poison weapons, unfathomable skill, active camo (for a few warriors), large predator beasts to ride, dangerous hounds, dangerous flying insect creatures, and super strength to make them cool while fighting fully armored New Republic troops and Jedi.
@Justin Last They can still hate their enemies. They can still love battle. They can love pain and have a lot of battle scars. Plus they could have trained to fight from birth and have deadly melee weapons. Plus heavy armor and cool new organic weapons that can hurt their enemies. Plus have energy bolts thst they can fire and have air troopers that fly with organic wings attached to their armor. They could still use whips in battle and they could just be added to some alternate universe video game. I would make it where they can still can be effected by the force But, can't use it and have no medicholrians in them. But the medicholrians around them can still detect them and interact with them. Vong will typically be 7 feet tall and also have sharp claws. Vong also would be great climbers and have superior stamina and durability to humans. They still have organic cruisers that fire energy blasts. There are Vong officers with dark red armor plus organic incarceration blast ability, dark blue armor plus electric blast abilities, silver armor plus active camo, and gold armor plus stun ability and flare. There could also be Vong warriors with light blue armor and grenades that freeze enemies on impact and carbon blasts. Stand Vong have green poison grenades and sometimes they may use a green regeneration ability.
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Then they would have won without any difficulty. The main reasons they lost (besides the good guys having the writers on their side) was because of Luke's new Jedi Order and the because the entire galaxy consisting of dozens of factions all unified together to oppose them. After Endor, Luke was pretty much the only force user and he was nowhere near the apex of his strength and wouldn't have stood a chance against the Vong. The rebellion was still a small splinter group and the empire was broken into dozens of warring factions that were bigger threats to each other; not even Thrawn or a reborn Palatine could unify them. The only way the star wars galaxy could have survived is if all factions immediately pledged loyalty to Thrawn and did everything he wanted and even that would still be a longshot.
It is an interesting story, but it just wouldn't have worked. By the time the Vong showed up the rebellion became the new republic and built up a massive military. Right after Endor the rebellion only had 1 fleet of ships that with largely outdated ships. The empire would have to have done all of the work. While they likely would have unified against a single threat, their moral would have been pitiful and they would have no super weapons at this time. One World Ship is capable of destroying entire fleets. And lastly Luke is the only force user and he is nowhere powerful enough to fight them in any way that would actually matter. Even if he found every other surviving force user at the time, he would at most a 100 people who would get slaughtered immediately without any training or experience. They were able to invade the entire galaxy and kill 300 trillion beings in like 2 years, the reapers from Mass Effect would ask these guys for tips. This is one of the reasons why I don't like the Vong. They're just so absurdly overpowered to the point of being FanFiction and seeing them lose just felt really lazy and dumb.
the Vong to Star Wars were the Borg to Star Trek. They were a great story arc that showed that the fans were bored of Imperial/Rebel conflict that should had ended after ROTJ. Disney should had made the Sequels about the Vong War. It would have been spectacular.
Should the Yuuzhan Vong ever be canon again? Honestly, I don't think they should, and even if they were, they would have to be heavily altered and nerfed. The thing about the Vong was that they were an interesting concept, and a great way to change things up from the usual "Jedi vs. Sith" and "Rebels vs. Empire" formula fans were used to, but the problem was that the idea was poorly executed due to there being too many writers on board who had different ideas on how the Vong should be. This resulted in them being extremely overpowered and ridiculously over-the-top that they couldn't be LESS a part of the Star Wars universe, and would likely fit in more with something like Halo or Mass Effect or any other space-faring sci-fi franchise (not Star Trek though, since they already have the heavily underutilized Species 8472, which share a number of traits with the Yuuzhan Vong). So I could see why they wouldn't want to bring the Vong back, but only time will tell for sure.
Masterge77 So then Disney should hire just ONE great writer and were good to go! Truth be told I believe they should bring as much of the EU as they can back into Canon...With the things that don't make sense simply being heavily modified rather then thrown out. But you're right from what I've seen of Mass Effect, Halo, Star Trek and Star Wars the Yuuzhan Vong as is definitely fit into Halo Lore more then anything else. They don't fit into Mass Effect in my opinion, I'm a Mass Effect Fan so in my opinion as one they don't fit because usually most if not all of the Humanoid Alien Species AREN'T Evil for no reason and because Mass Effect already has the Reapers to take the place of an Advanced Alien to Aliens Society of Galactic-Scale Genocides.
Well... they can kind of fit into the Halo universe, but not by much since The Covenant and The Flood fill in that role, and both have some aspects of the Vong in them to some extent. The Yuuzhan Vong were a race of hostile aliens that destroyed planets, used organic technology and was pretty much a death cult. To compare the Vong to what was in Halo, The Covenant was an intergalactic religious order that occasionally destroyed a planet every once in a while, but they weren't a death cult, especially since they were completely unaware that the Halo Array was a galaxy destroying superweapon that would have destroyed them, instead thinking the Halo Array would make them transcend to a higher existence. As for The Flood, they were basically like an organic version of The Borg, but FAR worse and infinitely more destructive, with it being implied that they've wiped out entire galaxies. It's implied that the Yuuzhan Vong somehow wiped out all life in their entire galaxy, and caused 365 TRILLION casualties when in the Star Wars galaxy alone, which not even the Empire could do in the scale of a few months like the Vong did. Compare that to The Flood, which function more like an alien version of the Black Plague, but sentient, and far more destructive as just a single Flood spore can destroy an entire planet within just a few weeks. That's the reason The Flood works in the context of the Halo universe, while the Vong don't work since the Vong are ridiculous and over-the-top and don't even fit the context of the Star Wars universe, whileas Halo is known for doing over-the-top things like what the Vong did in their arc, and it's explicitly stated that the Halo Array was created to destroy The Flood, something the Death Star could never do, or any superweapon in Star Wars for that matter.
Masterge77 Well except there's Two things you're missing in Halo Lore... 1. The Covenant are EXACTLY a Death Cult....Their an Fanatical Religion that dictates what Lives and more importantly what Dies under their Regime, Also the very Leadership of the Regime did in fact know about the Halo's real purpose but simply chose to ignore it because they were in fact a Death Cult believing death will bring them "enlightenment". 2. That there's actually five different Entities/Factions that want Humanity's very extinction which are the Covenant, the Flood, the Forerunners, Cortana and the various other A.I. constructs, an MAYBE the Banished....So in Halo Lore the precedent has been set that it's okay to have multiple Genocidal Factions in Universe. So whats one more to add to the list? But yes you're indeed right to say Halo already has Factions similar to the Yuuzhan Vong, But isn't that why they'd make such a more perfect fit in Halo rather then the others? Also like I said they don't fit into Mass Effect because all of the Humanoid Species in the Universe are never just a Death Cult or completely Evil, While those that aren't....The Collectors were Mind-Controlled Drones so their Slaves, The Reapers are not Humanoid and are Machines not People they don't even try to be anything else, The Geth we see later on were justified in their "Attacks" against their Creators (Self-Defense) and also that the enemy Geth you fight earlier on were/are a Splinter Faction of Extremists NOT the actual Species as a Whole. So in comparison the Yuuzhan Vong just don't fit the tone of a Mass Effect Species and Villain because their not a Complex Morally Grey Humanoid Villain but instead just an Evil Cult of Dicks. The only things close to the Yuuzhan Vong in Mass Effect are the Reapers and Cerberus, But the two closest things are completely different to the Yuuzhan Vong because the former are just Machines doing what they think is right to save the Galaxy at large, While the latter is actually the complete opposite Morality of the Yuuzhan Vong instead depicting a Morally Grey Villain who's arguably really a Good Guy doing Bad Things for all the Right Reasons. So the Two Major Mass Effect Villains are well very different from just a Death Cult because those Factions actually have underlining Good Causes unlike the Yuuzhan Vong.
@Joseph Sosa wanted to say that too and since they are all out organic they'd be the perfect food for the bloody space cockroaches. Just breed them infinitely and the nids won't be an problem anymore xD
Eck, if you took a year off, I would still be just as excited about your next video as I am about them now. I'm not going anywhere. You take as much time as you need. Congrats on the baby!
I absolutely love the thought of a deadly alien race from a distant, destroyed galaxy becoming the next big threat since the Galactic Empire. Forcing the New Republic and the remnants of the Empire to team up and form the Galactic Alliance. But certain elements of the Vong I dislike is them hating technology, flying organic ships and using snakes as staff weapons. I'd just make their technology so advanced that it's nothing we've seen before.
I disagree, the Vong needs to return, and the same applies with the Eternal Fleet and the Sith Emperor, that needs to be put back in Star Wars. Vitiate needs to be part of the movies and books, since even Palpatine, needs to fear Vitate. He could have wiped the Emperor, and the rebellion.
No. Please no. Vitiate is a shitty addition that ruins KOTOR and what could have been an interesting look into a war of belief and philosophy. The *only* reason people like Vitiate is because he's powerful. That's it. That's all, and that's a stupid reason to like a character.
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This is how I would make the Vong in canon. 1. They have superior durability to humans 2. They have thicker armor than New Republic troops (they can take 1-5 shots before going down in the body, but 1 headshot will take them out; they can tank indirect strikes but direct ones stop them) 3. They have superior strength 4. They have superior stamina to humans 5. They use melee blades that can either fire energy laser beams or fire yellow energy bolts (range of 900 meters But, without zoom) 6. Vong warriors can see twice as far as humans 7. They have elite troops with wings attached to their armor plus their blades that can fire powerful energy blasts 8. The Vong could have deadly hounds with a speed of 60 mph plus sharp claws and teeth 9. Vong have organic vehicles with powerful yellow blasts 10. Have Vong warriors with Black armor, another variant with brown armor, leaders with red armor plus flame grenades and a fire blast ability, leaders with blue armor and a power electric blast ability, a Vong leader with silver armor plus the ability to turn invisible, and a Vong leader gold armor plus the ability to blind enemies with flares plus stun abilities. In addition to This, remakes of classic Vong leaders like the huge Vong warrior that is 8 feet tall and weights 350 pounds. 11. Vong can be effected by the force But, aren't force sensitive
Why ? bringing back characters or factions/events in the new canon ( mayby with some changes ) really brings new live and greater depth into the stories.
I think Disney should pull a switcheroo, tease us with the Vong and then it turns out to be to robot race that the Vong had destroyed in the Legends version.
The Vong hold a weird place in my mind. On one hand they are the catalyst for the decline of the post ROTJ EU (IMO). But on the other they were an idea with potential that went unexplored. If they were to return it could be great opportunity to "fix" the greatest mistake in legends Canon. Take what worked about them, (Highly Religious but without the 9/11 influence, biotechnology but don't make OP as hell, being technophobes but have fun with it also add Galaxy residents being phobic about the Vong tech, "It's gross and weird". Extragalactic origins but have it stream lined.) Drop what didn't (Pain obsessed that's right out, Warrior/Conqueror race hell no they killed everything in their Galaxy and caused their homeworld to abandon them and not one of them put 2 and 2 together, Population in the billions no they made the journey across dark space they aren't all making it.) You know actually try.
To think that the Yuuzhan Vong were supposed to appear in one of the canceled Clone Wars episodes in sort of an X-Files style. I can't imagine Disney bringing the Yuuzhan Vong back into canon. Not only was this episode planned before the Disney acquisition, but it also doesn't really fit the new canon, even with the time gap between Return and Awakens.
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Great discussion. Think you're right that the vong are more sci-fi and less space opera. The name stands out best to other star wars names imo. Maybe in a world where star wars leaned more into it's pulp roots and less on classical / mythic storytelling
I feel like a Vong Lite would've been cool. Post Og Trilogy Vong who come from some corner of the galaxy. Originally a force sensitive species that turned hostile after CIS fudged their junk up or something along those lines, and are springing a vengeful invasion years later after building thesmelves up. But that still falls into that whole "superpower in the boonies" shtick
Dude I love your channel as I’m sure all of your subscribers do obviously but man congratulations on your baby on the way man! I always listen to your videos when I work at night and with stuff happening in your personal life man your only human so if you can’t post as much myself and others would and should understand bro especially with a baby on the way so congrats man and we understand if you can’t post as much!
@@HenryLouis21 i did not say snoke was in the eu i merely stated that he should never have been canon because my thought on his role on the moviesis just a cannon fodder masking as a grand leader
@@marvingulanes5577 Ah okay, I kinda agree with you since he was just cannon fodder. They could have honestly made him his own character instead of a creation of Palpatine. Maybe give him a backstory that mirrors Rey being a nobody.
Really enjoyed the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, it was something new and not just another Imperial faction. I loved the way it essentially trashed the New Republic and thus made you question if Palpatine and Thrawn were right. I also liked the death of Chewbacca, not a character I particularly liked, and worked well in a story telling aspect in regards to Han, Leia and their kids lives splitting as the galaxy split around them. But they shouldn't be brought back into Canon because they would be watered down.
God i hope not. They are the epitome of 90s edgelords. "Yeah i stick spikes through my skin and use a live snake as a weapon and all life is pain. I fly a giant creature through space im awesome that way" ugh.. i hope they stay gone.
I want them back but I want them to be changed to make them more realistic and a bit less brutal. They also should just have creepy looking melee blades instead of actual snakes. They could also get laser beams that they vaporize people with, use their sharp claws, super strength, have dangerous hounds, have more realistic vehicles, still have flying beasts, and have poison weapons. I think they should even have deadly assassins with active camo and either some plasma weapons (That fire yellow or orange shots) or deadly projectile weapons.
Congratulations on the baby, dude! I actually have one more book in the Old Republic era and have started reading Heir to the Empire, but after I am done with the Thrawn Trilogy I will begin reading Vector Prime. After hearing so much about the Vong, they seem pretty interesting and dark. Since Disney owns Star Wars, they want everything to be kid friendly, so the grittines that the Vong carries would be stripped away. In all honestly, it would be a surprise that they would return to canon, but their disconnect from the Force as a whole is what makes them so demonic and other worldly, so they would probably be changed into powerful dark side users. Oh well, just my thoughts, keep up the good work on the channel!
No. Otherwise the canon fans will show off their double standard again. If it was legends EU, then it’s shit. The new canon however is apparently not shit and more sensical to them. Keep them separate forever. I don’t want anymore legends material in canon because I want new material that doesn’t feel derived.
I honestly think that this will eventually happen maybe 20-30 years down the road with Episodes 10, 11 and 12 after the events of the Skywalker saga and once they run out of ideas for Disney+ shows. It's either this or an Old Republic Trilogy which will be set way before the Prequel Trilogy.
Congrats on the baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOVE ALL YOUR CONTENT!! I'm kind of IFFY on the YUUZHAN VONG. yes I like them but its would be odd with the FIRST ORDER being there. that would be the problem. I grow up with the all star wars and the new stuff Disney has is odd, but for sure the Vong are welcome anytime. Bring Ezra, Ahsoka tooo!!!
A species being cut off from the force seems extremely plausible to me. The Exile was cut off from the force because she witnessed and basically caused the tragedy that is Mandalore. One planet. The Yuzon literally destroyed their entire galaxy, with powers they got from thier sentient planet, that became disgusted with them and was also destroyed. Then instead of trying to atone like the exile, or knowing how to feed off the galaxy like Nilous, or actually that not being an option since they went thru dead space for thousands of years, with nothing to feed on, or planets with ancient holocrons to teach them... Instead they adopted a religion of pain. Makes perfect sense the force was just looking at them and said, nope.
I want to see the Vong introduced into the movies and games. It opens up so many possibilities, there is other galaxies and greater threats to face. I like the Vong and find their tech fascinating
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"Many saw the Vong as pretty hokey. I mean it is arguably cheesy to have this great unknown enemy, more powerful than any that ever have came before, waiting in the wings outside of the galaxy."
... First Order
The first order was just am imperial remnant that fled to the outer rim. That actually makes a lot of sense while the vong were just there.
@@dasleepynarwhal9554 both actually
No it's not any more hokey than Palpatine living and in legend he knew about them and was planning on dealing with them and they would prob never invade empire
But I think it b was brilliant you have something that isn't part of the cosmic force because they are outside your cosmos a different dimension it would make more sense than outside space that's only issue i had and once you introduce multiple dimension things can get cheesy in forget the explanation why they where not seen in force
@@richardbarth918 I mean the Vong were always just there. They've been waiting on the edge of the galaxy since the clone wars.
I like the Vong because they were a new and interesting threat. Before that it was mostly just Imperial Remnant vs New Republic over and over again and that got stale after a while. That's why I was disappointed by the Sequel Trilogy because they basically did the same things.
Ironinquisitor agreed!
They are basically relabeling eps 4-6, and adding terrible ships
also they gutted jacen solos character in his remake
And terrible characters and terrible tactical decission.
The Sequel Trilogy was far worse than even that. The ST didn't have a Jedi order and blew countless opportunities. It didn't have any unique imperial units. It had a horrid and pointless plot. Their enemies were 1 dimensional and it blew the chance of having a new group of dark Jedi to fight the hedi order (like hundreds of Jedi vs hundreds of sith, it would still be smaller scale than Old Republic battles with thousands of each).
The ST was basically a crappy version of the Old Empire vs Rebels.
A Star Wars horror movie featuring the Vong would be cool
Shit. I’ve been hoping for an R rated Darth Vader series between episode 3-4. With just him killing Jedi for years, but we might never get that kind of stuff
that would be cool
I agree, but the vong are a smaller race, like two or three capital ships. and it is before the skywalker saga
I'd much rather see a film version of Death Troopers. If not live action than animated.
Yep
Congratulations on the baby man, just found out about this. I’m a big fan of your work, you’ll be at a million in no time. I hope the Yuuzhan Vong do come back to canon because I’d love to see something like that in a film.
I like the Yuuzhan Vong for a few reasons. They actually make Star “Wars” live up to its name. They are one of the very few arcs that bring the Imperials and New Republic to work together. There is a a heavy focus on Space combat which I absolutely love, especially with the focus on obscenely large ships. And they show more of the Chiss and what they are all about. The Vong are a good, new and fresh twist to Star Wars.
This is how I would make the Vong in canon.
1. They have superior durability to humans
2. They have thicker armor than New Republic troops (they can take 1-5 shots before going down in the body, but 1 headshot will take them out; they can tank indirect strikes but direct ones stop them)
3. They have superior strength
4. They have superior stamina to humans
5. They use melee blades that can either fire energy laser beams or fire yellow energy bolts (range of 900 meters But, without zoom)
6. Vong warriors can see twice as far as humans
7. They have elite troops with wings attached to their armor plus their blades that can fire powerful energy blasts
8. The Vong could have deadly hounds with a speed of 60 mph plus sharp claws and teeth
9. Vong have organic vehicles with powerful yellow blasts
10. Have Vong warriors with Black armor, another variant with brown armor, leaders with red armor plus flame grenades and a fire blast ability, leaders with blue armor and a power electric blast ability, a Vong leader with silver armor plus the ability to turn invisible, and a Vong leader gold armor plus the ability to blind enemies with flares plus stun abilities. In addition to This, remakes of classic Vong leaders like the huge Vong warrior that is 8 feet tall and weights 350 pounds.
11. Vong can be effected by the force But, aren't force sensitive
12. Give the Vong powerful weapons that can vaporize enemies
13. Still allow the Vong to terraform worlds
14. Still allow Vong to destroy worlds
15. Make the Vong as glory seekers, people who love battle, they still should be pain lovers, and instead of self mutilation they just brag about their battle scars from all the foes they defeated
16. The Vong train from young ages since they are children to be warriors
@@billclark5055
Fascinating concepts, my friend. Brilliant.
I wonder if the Yuuzhan Vong will reappear in some iteration in the New "High Republic" series of story arcs.
Reading up on the synopsis literature...
"A Dangerous NEW threat to the Galaxy and to the Force itself [...]"
"[...] Hyperspace anomalies and bizarre objects emerging from 'Deep Space threaten the [Old] Republic at the height of its expansion in the 'Outer Rim' [("Several centuries before the Battle of Yavin")] [...]"
I doubt this.
Not likely. It would be fascinating if this is the general concept though...
The Yuuzan Vong now being relegated & introduced to the Deep past of the Star Wars historical Chronology, rather than having them become a threat immediately after the ratification of the Galactic Concordance, (as we see in the Legends EU). 👍
@@nicholasstancel makes sense. I heard its a new group called the Nihl who Disney described as Space Vikings.
Star Wars already lives up to its name, but i'd like to see how a Yuuzhan Vong series would play out
the way I like to see it is, if the Empire are the Space Nazis then the Yuuhzan Vong are the Space Crusaders
The Vong did have a moral nuance in terms of the dissident factions that eventually helped end the war, since they were being suppressed, they had no influence over the start of the war.
I actually liked the vong. they interest me because of how unique they are. I wish something similar was done in cannon with a threat so unique and powerful that the galaxy had to ban together to combat this threat!
*band*
The God King called Phil Stfu Phil.
Maybe Palpatine built the empire up because he knew of their invasion coming.
I liked them as well. They were something new and interesting.
@@allielightfoot2769 That's exactly whyvhe built it
More people are pissed over TLJ than I have ever heard complain about the Vong
I would like the Yuuzhan Vong to come back, they weren’t always top notch. But they were cool, with a neat idea and I liked that they were from another galaxy, showing that there was something else out there. Maybe do a little toning down of them, but I want them back.
Sith Lord Exar Kun Yuuzhan Vong were the best part of the EU. They were top notch.
I like the backstory from their home galaxy, maybe their home world should have lived to cut them off from the Force. But the droid wars to make them technophobic, and being totally organic based for everything was very cool.
This is how I would make the Vong in canon.
1. They have superior durability to humans
2. They have thicker armor than New Republic troops (they can take 1-5 shots before going down in the body, but 1 headshot will take them out; they can tank indirect strikes but direct ones stop them)
3. They have superior strength
4. They have superior stamina to humans
5. They use melee blades that can either fire energy laser beams or fire yellow energy bolts (range of 900 meters But, without zoom)
6. Vong warriors can see twice as far as humans
7. They have elite troops with wings attached to their armor plus their blades that can fire powerful energy blasts
8. The Vong could have deadly hounds with a speed of 60 mph plus sharp claws and teeth
9. Vong have organic vehicles with powerful yellow blasts
10. Have Vong warriors with Black armor, another variant with brown armor, leaders with red armor plus flame grenades and a fire blast ability, leaders with blue armor and a power electric blast ability, a Vong leader with silver armor plus the ability to turn invisible, and a Vong leader gold armor plus the ability to blind enemies with flares plus stun abilities. In addition to This, remakes of classic Vong leaders like the huge Vong warrior that is 8 feet tall and weights 350 pounds.
11. Vong can be effected by the force But, aren't force sensitive
Didn't the Yuuzhan Vong start to reconnect to the force on Zonama Sekot that was just like there original home world
Exactly the yuuzhan vong are ten times more interesting than the grysks can ever hope to be!
This might sound odd...but I really appreciate the fact that you told watchers to not share this video. It's refreshing to see an honest youtuber.
I think the Yuuzhan Vong would still be a pretty neat antagonist in the trilogy after the sequels, if done correctly
Didn't the new thrawn novel mention a species called "grisk"who thrawns says are galaxy invaders?
hi anakin
I wonder what the “Grysk” look like.
The Chiss called the Yuuzhan Vong the Far Outsiders when eluding to them.
Yes they were major villains in it. For all we know they could be related to the vong
Hostile Crocodile season 7 is only 12 episodes. 8 are just them finishing the animations they released online already,and the final 4 are the siege of mandalore. The vong were proposed for season 7 and concept art was made. Nothing else.
Personal shield technology compared: Dune, Star Wars, Stargate and Halo
Kenneth Kates I quite like this idea.
Starwars personal sheilds are almost never used and pretty bad
@@peloncito_5987 would a general ray shielding comparison work? Or are weapons and systems too different in each universe you think?
@@stairwaytoholiday ray shielding might work
Halo lives laughs loves shield
The vong should never be in Disney canon.They need to stop leeching off of the EU, and just continue the EU as a seperate universe. The vong in my eyes are a way more interesting than the First order.
Anything would've been more interesting than hitting the reset button on the galaxy. Gosh I just can't get over the fact how incredibly inept the world building for the sequels has been thus far. I can't even blame the books for the New Republic being incredibly stupid. They had to find some way The Force Awakens could happen. JJ couldn't have done a better job at creating the most unoriginal and boring setting imaginable.
Considering 9 had so much from dark empire especially, I believe that the vong could be added since Disney love to leech off of the EU
Disney: *Makes the EU Non-Canon
SW "Fans": Noooo my 40 years of books I hate you!
Disney: *Takes elements from the EU and places them into the movies*
SW "Fans": Noooo you can't just leech off the EU!
@@justmyluck624 When everything Disney takes from the EU is made worse in the process, they should really just stop trying to steal from other peoples ideas. I'd rather not have anything from the EU come back if Disney is gonna screw it up like everything else. To me, DIsney SW is just a bad fanfic. The EU is the real canon.
@@connor_phillipz5689
You mean the EU wherein
Luke goes what amounts to "Force Super Saiyan"
Luke sleeps with a technically dead woman and then falls for her again when her spirit possesses his hot student
Luke eventually reaches ludicrous levels of power that even Rey would pale at
And that killed off characters with almost as much vitriol as the Disney Canon? That EU is what you consider canon?
Look, I think that Disney SW is good
I like bits and pieces of the EU canon such as the Vong and Aboleth.
But in comparison, the EU comes off *way* more as Fanfiction than the DC does, and it does it way more often.
I think the current sequels are fine, in fact they might even be good. And I think they can only get better if we continue to include the good parts of the EU and drop off the bad parts.
Personally, I think the Vong were absolutely needed. How many times can a fragment of the empire find a super weapon laying around? It is hard to depict the Empire as both a continuing threat and a fractured mess. I just wish someone had stopped Crystal Star and Children of the Jedi from being published.
I found it interesting that in the new Thrawn books, Thrawn still talks about the unknown threats facing his people. The first thing I thought of was the Vong. I'm curious about what this threat is. I'm only one book in thus far though, so maybe its explained later.
Imagine Vong toys on sale. That's one reason why Disney will not make Vong a canon.
My thought's exactly. You can come up with one thousand reasons they wouldn't bring back the Vong, but in the end, the only reason that matters to Disney is money. The Vong are too grotesque, not really conducive to the Kid's market, whether it be film or merchandise.
I would totally buy them! Imagine their ships being made of hard plastic and rubbery material to give them that organic feel. I think the toys would sell like hot cakes
Exactly all Disney had to do was just tone them down! Not make a bunch of bland ripoffs of them that don't even use organic technology!
They have made a vong action figure, it would be cool to have some more!
They look like corvos glaive
The Vong are perfect in star wars, unlike the Imperials who keep the same themes for military and troopers. The Vong were like a new faction/enemy, who instead of just being powerful evil or sadistic, the Vong culture was developed from Millenia Warfare and brutality in some ways similar to the mandalorians. They explain how from devastating their homes Galaxy that's the Vong became force resistant. Not an anti force but that they in some way bred out the natural force connection that all beings are supposed to have
The clone wars episodes were meant to be arc, however Lucas said they had to be effected by the force
If they bring the Vong back, it won't be what they were, it'll be a new Disney SW version, one that is more in tone with the movies that have been released. The idea of a race invading the galaxy that isn't affected in any way by the force who hates droids and non-organic technology in general would fit well with the idea floating around that the droids are going to rise up in a new war.
This is how I would make the Vong in canon.
1. They have superior durability to humans
2. They have thicker armor than New Republic troops (they can take 1-5 shots before going down in the body, but 1 headshot will take them out; they can tank indirect strikes but direct ones stop them)
3. They have superior strength
4. They have superior stamina to humans
5. They use melee blades that can either fire energy laser beams or fire yellow energy bolts (range of 900 meters But, without zoom)
6. Vong warriors can see twice as far as humans
7. They have elite troops with wings attached to their armor plus their blades that can fire powerful energy blasts
8. The Vong could have deadly hounds with a speed of 60 mph plus sharp claws and teeth
9. Vong have organic vehicles with powerful yellow blasts
10. Have Vong warriors with Black armor, another variant with brown armor, leaders with red armor plus flame grenades and a fire blast ability, leaders with blue armor and a power electric blast ability, a Vong leader with silver armor plus the ability to turn invisible, and a Vong leader gold armor plus the ability to blind enemies with flares plus stun abilities. In addition to This, remakes of classic Vong leaders like the huge Vong warrior that is 8 feet tall and weights 350 pounds.
11. Vong can be effected by the force But, aren't force sensitive
12. Give the Vong powerful weapons that can vaporize enemies
13. Still allow the Vong to terraform worlds
14. Still allow Vong to destroy worlds
@@billclark5055 that would end up ruining what makes them the Yuuzhan vong.
@@billclark5055 no offense man, but that sounds terrible
@@barryallen9466 Alright, well I make a lot of popular fanfictions and I'm a creative genius so I don't take it personal. Tbh I don't know much of the Vong besides reading a volume in the Star Wars Invasion series and looking at a few vids posted about them.
@@billclark5055 worst flex in history
Disney will just screw them up. In episode 9 they screwed up Dark Empire, in the inevitable episode X they will screw up The Vong.
That would be excellent if they returned. Also congrats mate!
1:13 Congrats eck, hope it goes well.
The end with the dog always brings a smile to my face.
I'm kind of hoping that if they make a new enemy that isn't just "The Empire 2: Electric Boogaloo" that they recycle the two most interesting and pallatable concepts of the Yuuzhan Vong:
1. Extra-galactic invaders
2. All organic technology and hatred of machines
You know what would be awesome? A Yuuzhan Vong film
ZeedBlitz you know what would be awesome ?
If Disney wasn't with Star Wars
Pin Head Yeah
I think that making legends films and or tv shows would be a cool thing for disney to do with their streaming service, i doubt they'll do it because it might be confusing to some people but id be down for it
Pin Head That. Would be the best!
Laurentius nah, just a legends film without Disney, that'll be perfect
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (285th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
If the multiverse theory is true evrything possible to happen Will eventually happen.
keep going man
coming up on infra-red never gonna let it go.
Never give up.
This needs to happen
What if after episode 9 the Vong attack the New Republic after a few years of rebuilding and they know that demilitarization won’t work giving us better and larger space battles and a better insight into the New Republic military
i personally believe that the best way to save this trilogy is to have a credits scene where that happens. Then the next trilogy is the invasion
Elijah Mikaelson Yeah like beat the first order and then have that
Elijah Mikaelson that would be so cool but i think it can be 2 trilogys of films
yeah
Elijah Mikaelson This trilogy is already doomed because it technical ends during Episode IX ,but they could at least save future Star Wars films after ROTJ.
When it comes to the Yuuzhan Vong being disconnected to the force, you can look at it in the way that the Force broke itself off from them because of their mass destruction in their own galaxy. If the Force has a Will then it is plausible it would purposefully make the decision to separate itself from them.
Eckharts as a long time subscriber I hope to speak for everyone in saying that we would all be happy for you to take a week off if you need to and hope to see you back when your ready hope your child is healthy.
I liked the Vong. They were like the Cenobites meet the Borg but in the Star Wars galaxy. I always liked the whole "Enemy Mine" situation of The Truce At Bakura with the Empire and Rebellion temporarily joining forces, and that was taken up to 11 in the New Jedi Order.
I liked the Yuuzhan Vong and the whole New Jedi Order series; my first real exposure to the Expanded Universe, after reading the Essential Guides of the late 90s and early 2000s, was the New Jedi Order (particularly for the back half). That said, I find it unlikely that they will ever get more attention than perhaps a TV story arc (perhaps in John Favreau’s live action show). They are way to dark for children and way too simplistic from a moral standpoint (unless we had a main character who was a Vong Force adept of some sort). I think Disney would take a hatchet to their entire identity rather than invest in a film based upon the Legends incarnations.
However, if there WAS some sort of major time skip, I think it would be possible for them to do a film or films in the aftermath of a Vong invasion (perhaps leading to something like Legacy of the Force). That way the focus would not have to be upon the Vong directly.
The Yuuzhan Vong vs the Dark Eldar.
The Covenant vs the Eldar.
Death Watch (canon and legends) vs the Banished.
The Eternal Empire vs the Infinite Empire (inclouding all the droids and weapons they made that we see in SWTOR).
Zann Consortium vs Jul 'Mdama's Covenant.
The UNSC vs the Rebel Alliance.
The Covenant vs the Infinite Empire (inclouding all the droids and weapons they made that we see in SWTOR).
Jul 'Mdama's Covenant vs the Banished.
Seraph vs T-65 X-Wing.
What about Deathwatch vs Deathwatch?
Zan Consortium beats Covenant Remnant
I would love Covenant Remnant vs Imperial Remnant
Eldar would wreck the covies easily and dark eldar vs vong would be an amazing shitfest of who can inflict more pain to another (quiet an interesting image in my eyes)
@@JJumper8888 I doubt the Eldar would wreck. The Covenant are more united, larger in numbers and the Eldar aren't that much more advanced. The Eldars only real major advantage are their psychers and the Avatar of Khaine.
@@brucejedilee5290 the thing is it's 40k so everything is cranked up to 21. When a Eldar can shred an Astartes into pieces? What would happen with an Ungoy or an Sangheili?
Congratulations eck! Don't worry if you get behind on things, as long as you keep producing amazing videos we can wait a little longer while you live out your life!
I think they'll bring back the Vong, but with a bunch of changes to make them more acceptable to the new canon.
I could imagine them dropping the extra-galactic aspect & the outside the force angle.
congratz on the baby! i want the vong to come back in some form tbh. I got into sw eu thru New Jedi Order.
2 Harrower Dreadnaughts vs 1 Imperial Star Destroyer
Just hearing about all the new content coming makes me so happy I love watching you're videos
I really wanted to see the YUUZHAN VONG in the movies!
klinton kavanagh Won't happen unless Clive Barker writes the script.
R rated star wars will never happen.
So minus Yuuzhan vong then?
Captain Fordo Agreed and they could just have them vaporize people. It's brutal But, not r rated. The Vong could also use laser beams, poison weapons, unfathomable skill, active camo (for a few warriors), large predator beasts to ride, dangerous hounds, dangerous flying insect creatures, and super strength to make them cool while fighting fully armored New Republic troops and Jedi.
@Justin Last They can still hate their enemies. They can still love battle. They can love pain and have a lot of battle scars. Plus they could have trained to fight from birth and have deadly melee weapons. Plus heavy armor and cool new organic weapons that can hurt their enemies. Plus have energy bolts thst they can fire and have air troopers that fly with organic wings attached to their armor.
They could still use whips in battle and they could just be added to some alternate universe video game. I would make it where they can still can be effected by the force But, can't use it and have no medicholrians in them. But the medicholrians around them can still detect them and interact with them. Vong will typically be 7 feet tall and also have sharp claws. Vong also would be great climbers and have superior stamina and durability to humans.
They still have organic cruisers that fire energy blasts. There are Vong officers with dark red armor plus organic incarceration blast ability, dark blue armor plus electric blast abilities, silver armor plus active camo, and gold armor plus stun ability and flare. There could also be Vong warriors with light blue armor and grenades that freeze enemies on impact and carbon blasts. Stand Vong have green poison grenades and sometimes they may use a green regeneration ability.
OMG CONGRATS ON THE BABY!!!!!! also you make extremely quality content and I can't wait to watch more
Probably not, but they were interesting. Reminds me of the Wraith from Stargate, except WAAAAAY scarier.
You handle your business buddy. Keep up the great work! Best TH-cam channel ever!!
Congratulations on the kid. Good luck buddy.
Probably not, I don't think Disney is willing to take the risk
Congrats on the baby, man. Don’t feel bad about skipping some days, we can wait for your quality vids
They woulda been a better choice than what ever the fuck the sequels did
This is one of your best videos. Sometimes it's great when a Creator just busks it and with this video you've made something thoughtful and interesting. More please!
i hope u name ur son luke so you can make the im your father line
I plan on doing that too lol
Swagbito yes you could overthrow the emperor and rule the galaxy as father and son
I think I speak for a lot of people when I say "Take all the time you need!" Your the best!
What if the vong invade right after endor (attemp#2)
Then they would have won without any difficulty. The main reasons they lost (besides the good guys having the writers on their side) was because of Luke's new Jedi Order and the because the entire galaxy consisting of dozens of factions all unified together to oppose them. After Endor, Luke was pretty much the only force user and he was nowhere near the apex of his strength and wouldn't have stood a chance against the Vong. The rebellion was still a small splinter group and the empire was broken into dozens of warring factions that were bigger threats to each other; not even Thrawn or a reborn Palatine could unify them. The only way the star wars galaxy could have survived is if all factions immediately pledged loyalty to Thrawn and did everything he wanted and even that would still be a longshot.
nunouno001 but what if they join their forces (some sort of alliance). Probably not for long, but at least untill the vong is ridden from the galaxy
And thrawn commanding a united Galactic alliance sounds interesting to me
It is an interesting story, but it just wouldn't have worked. By the time the Vong showed up the rebellion became the new republic and built up a massive military. Right after Endor the rebellion only had 1 fleet of ships that with largely outdated ships.
The empire would have to have done all of the work. While they likely would have unified against a single threat, their moral would have been pitiful and they would have no super weapons at this time. One World Ship is capable of destroying entire fleets.
And lastly Luke is the only force user and he is nowhere powerful enough to fight them in any way that would actually matter. Even if he found every other surviving force user at the time, he would at most a 100 people who would get slaughtered immediately without any training or experience. They were able to invade the entire galaxy and kill 300 trillion beings in like 2 years, the reapers from Mass Effect would ask these guys for tips.
This is one of the reasons why I don't like the Vong. They're just so absurdly overpowered to the point of being FanFiction and seeing them lose just felt really lazy and dumb.
nunouno001 yeah. That's why i say what if
the Vong to Star Wars were the Borg to Star Trek. They were a great story arc that showed that the fans were bored of Imperial/Rebel conflict that should had ended after ROTJ.
Disney should had made the Sequels about the Vong War. It would have been spectacular.
Should the Yuuzhan Vong ever be canon again? Honestly, I don't think they should, and even if they were, they would have to be heavily altered and nerfed. The thing about the Vong was that they were an interesting concept, and a great way to change things up from the usual "Jedi vs. Sith" and "Rebels vs. Empire" formula fans were used to, but the problem was that the idea was poorly executed due to there being too many writers on board who had different ideas on how the Vong should be.
This resulted in them being extremely overpowered and ridiculously over-the-top that they couldn't be LESS a part of the Star Wars universe, and would likely fit in more with something like Halo or Mass Effect or any other space-faring sci-fi franchise (not Star Trek though, since they already have the heavily underutilized Species 8472, which share a number of traits with the Yuuzhan Vong). So I could see why they wouldn't want to bring the Vong back, but only time will tell for sure.
Masterge77
So then Disney should hire just ONE great writer and were good to go!
Truth be told I believe they should bring as much of the EU as they can back into Canon...With the things that don't make sense simply being heavily modified rather then thrown out.
But you're right from what I've seen of Mass Effect, Halo, Star Trek and Star Wars the Yuuzhan Vong as is definitely fit into Halo Lore more then anything else. They don't fit into Mass Effect in my opinion, I'm a Mass Effect Fan so in my opinion as one they don't fit because usually most if not all of the Humanoid Alien Species AREN'T Evil for no reason and because Mass Effect already has the Reapers to take the place of an Advanced Alien to Aliens Society of Galactic-Scale Genocides.
Well... they can kind of fit into the Halo universe, but not by much since The Covenant and The Flood fill in that role, and both have some aspects of the Vong in them to some extent. The Yuuzhan Vong were a race of hostile aliens that destroyed planets, used organic technology and was pretty much a death cult.
To compare the Vong to what was in Halo, The Covenant was an intergalactic religious order that occasionally destroyed a planet every once in a while, but they weren't a death cult, especially since they were completely unaware that the Halo Array was a galaxy destroying superweapon that would have destroyed them, instead thinking the Halo Array would make them transcend to a higher existence. As for The Flood, they were basically like an organic version of The Borg, but FAR worse and infinitely more destructive, with it being implied that they've wiped out entire galaxies.
It's implied that the Yuuzhan Vong somehow wiped out all life in their entire galaxy, and caused 365 TRILLION casualties when in the Star Wars galaxy alone, which not even the Empire could do in the scale of a few months like the Vong did. Compare that to The Flood, which function more like an alien version of the Black Plague, but sentient, and far more destructive as just a single Flood spore can destroy an entire planet within just a few weeks. That's the reason The Flood works in the context of the Halo universe, while the Vong don't work since the Vong are ridiculous and over-the-top and don't even fit the context of the Star Wars universe, whileas Halo is known for doing over-the-top things like what the Vong did in their arc, and it's explicitly stated that the Halo Array was created to destroy The Flood, something the Death Star could never do, or any superweapon in Star Wars for that matter.
Masterge77
Well except there's Two things you're missing in Halo Lore...
1. The Covenant are EXACTLY a Death Cult....Their an Fanatical Religion that dictates what Lives and more importantly what Dies under their Regime, Also the very Leadership of the Regime did in fact know about the Halo's real purpose but simply chose to ignore it because they were in fact a Death Cult believing death will bring them "enlightenment".
2. That there's actually five different Entities/Factions that want Humanity's very extinction which are the Covenant, the Flood, the Forerunners, Cortana and the various other A.I. constructs, an MAYBE the Banished....So in Halo Lore the precedent has been set that it's okay to have multiple Genocidal Factions in Universe. So whats one more to add to the list?
But yes you're indeed right to say Halo already has Factions similar to the Yuuzhan Vong, But isn't that why they'd make such a more perfect fit in Halo rather then the others?
Also like I said they don't fit into Mass Effect because all of the Humanoid Species in the Universe are never just a Death Cult or completely Evil, While those that aren't....The Collectors were Mind-Controlled Drones so their Slaves, The Reapers are not Humanoid and are Machines not People they don't even try to be anything else, The Geth we see later on were justified in their "Attacks" against their Creators (Self-Defense) and also that the enemy Geth you fight earlier on were/are a Splinter Faction of Extremists NOT the actual Species as a Whole.
So in comparison the Yuuzhan Vong just don't fit the tone of a Mass Effect Species and Villain because their not a Complex Morally Grey Humanoid Villain but instead just an Evil Cult of Dicks.
The only things close to the Yuuzhan Vong in Mass Effect are the Reapers and Cerberus, But the two closest things are completely different to the Yuuzhan Vong because the former are just Machines doing what they think is right to save the Galaxy at large, While the latter is actually the complete opposite Morality of the Yuuzhan Vong instead depicting a Morally Grey Villain who's arguably really a Good Guy doing Bad Things for all the Right Reasons.
So the Two Major Mass Effect Villains are well very different from just a Death Cult because those Factions actually have underlining Good Causes unlike the Yuuzhan Vong.
@Joseph Sosa wanted to say that too and since they are all out organic they'd be the perfect food for the bloody space cockroaches. Just breed them infinitely and the nids won't be an problem anymore xD
Eck, if you took a year off, I would still be just as excited about your next video as I am about them now. I'm not going anywhere. You take as much time as you need. Congrats on the baby!
Yuuzhan Vong vs Voth Fortress ship =D
I absolutely love the thought of a deadly alien race from a distant, destroyed galaxy becoming the next big threat since the Galactic Empire. Forcing the New Republic and the remnants of the Empire to team up and form the Galactic Alliance. But certain elements of the Vong I dislike is them hating technology, flying organic ships and using snakes as staff weapons. I'd just make their technology so advanced that it's nothing we've seen before.
It's way cooler for them to be completely biological
I disagree, the Vong needs to return, and the same applies with the Eternal Fleet and the Sith Emperor, that needs to be put back in Star Wars.
Vitiate needs to be part of the movies and books, since even Palpatine, needs to fear Vitate. He could have wiped the Emperor, and the rebellion.
No. Please no. Vitiate is a shitty addition that ruins KOTOR and what could have been an interesting look into a war of belief and philosophy.
The *only* reason people like Vitiate is because he's powerful. That's it. That's all, and that's a stupid reason to like a character.
Good for you Eckhartsladder I hope you have a happy life with your baby! Also awesome video by the way you have pretty good quality and I feel excited when a new video comes up.
Could Halo galaxy Survive and Defeat Scp 682?
Doom Slayer No.
Doom Slayer no
Doom Slayer No.
Forerunners and the Halos?
Rollerbear712 Idk. Probably UNSC and Covrnant
He made the call to kill Chewie. After reading that book he brought R.A. Salvatore in to write the novelization of Attack of The Clones.
Yes!!!! Baby comes first. May you be a better father than Anakin. Lol
I saw this is notifications and before letting your intro finish I plugged in my headphones becuz unlike other things I watch out loud on TH-cam, the vids on this channel are "headphone worthy" !
I do hope you are wrong and they do comeback to canon....I do also feel like you are right though sooo.....
This is how I would make the Vong in canon.
1. They have superior durability to humans
2. They have thicker armor than New Republic troops (they can take 1-5 shots before going down in the body, but 1 headshot will take them out; they can tank indirect strikes but direct ones stop them)
3. They have superior strength
4. They have superior stamina to humans
5. They use melee blades that can either fire energy laser beams or fire yellow energy bolts (range of 900 meters But, without zoom)
6. Vong warriors can see twice as far as humans
7. They have elite troops with wings attached to their armor plus their blades that can fire powerful energy blasts
8. The Vong could have deadly hounds with a speed of 60 mph plus sharp claws and teeth
9. Vong have organic vehicles with powerful yellow blasts
10. Have Vong warriors with Black armor, another variant with brown armor, leaders with red armor plus flame grenades and a fire blast ability, leaders with blue armor and a power electric blast ability, a Vong leader with silver armor plus the ability to turn invisible, and a Vong leader gold armor plus the ability to blind enemies with flares plus stun abilities. In addition to This, remakes of classic Vong leaders like the huge Vong warrior that is 8 feet tall and weights 350 pounds.
11. Vong can be effected by the force But, aren't force sensitive
Congratulations fir the future, and you can take all the time you need. I'll still be here
No because Legends and the New Canon need to be separate.
Why ? bringing back characters or factions/events in the new canon
( mayby with some changes )
really brings new live and greater depth into the stories.
That's actually true, nrver saw it from thid prospective
All good man, We understand life happens, good information video. Also congratulations on the baby.
Second.
I wish
I think Disney should pull a switcheroo, tease us with the Vong and then it turns out to be to robot race that the Vong had destroyed in the Legends version.
The Vong hold a weird place in my mind. On one hand they are the catalyst for the decline of the post ROTJ EU (IMO). But on the other they were an idea with potential that went unexplored. If they were to return it could be great opportunity to "fix" the greatest mistake in legends Canon. Take what worked about them, (Highly Religious but without the 9/11 influence, biotechnology but don't make OP as hell, being technophobes but have fun with it also add Galaxy residents being phobic about the Vong tech, "It's gross and weird". Extragalactic origins but have it stream lined.) Drop what didn't (Pain obsessed that's right out, Warrior/Conqueror race hell no they killed everything in their Galaxy and caused their homeworld to abandon them and not one of them put 2 and 2 together, Population in the billions no they made the journey across dark space they aren't all making it.) You know actually try.
I've always thought of making a fan trilogy about the Yuuzhan-Vong War
One year later: No. They will never return, and nothing ever mattered.
Congratulations on the upcoming kid! Best wishes for you and the whole family! :)
To think that the Yuuzhan Vong were supposed to appear in one of the canceled Clone Wars episodes in sort of an X-Files style. I can't imagine Disney bringing the Yuuzhan Vong back into canon. Not only was this episode planned before the Disney acquisition, but it also doesn't really fit the new canon, even with the time gap between Return and Awakens.
I don't think people are bothered if you don't keep schedule as you always give good videos and everyone appreciate the videos and will understand if they are later than usual
The Covenant vs The Yuuzhan Vong
(5th try)
Craig Newsome, yes I would like to see that as well.
Sith Lord Exar Kun covenant all the way for the great journey
Congrats on the baby EckhartsLadder
I want a film about them
Great discussion. Think you're right that the vong are more sci-fi and less space opera. The name stands out best to other star wars names imo.
Maybe in a world where star wars leaned more into it's pulp roots and less on classical / mythic storytelling
No please no.
I feel like a Vong Lite would've been cool. Post Og Trilogy Vong who come from some corner of the galaxy. Originally a force sensitive species that turned hostile after CIS fudged their junk up or something along those lines, and are springing a vengeful invasion years later after building thesmelves up. But that still falls into that whole "superpower in the boonies" shtick
Let me settle this in 2019: NO. They are too dark to be adapted, and Lucas/Disney is not going to ever go the Rated R route.
Dude I love your channel as I’m sure all of your subscribers do obviously but man congratulations on your baby on the way man! I always listen to your videos when I work at night and with stuff happening in your personal life man your only human so if you can’t post as much myself and others would and should understand bro especially with a baby on the way so congrats man and we understand if you can’t post as much!
Congrats on the baby man! Hopefully it's force sensitive..
Glad to hear about your family, man. Good luck.
I think snoke should never have been canon
What are you talking about? Snoke was not a character from the EU. He was an original character.
@@HenryLouis21 i did not say snoke was in the eu i merely stated that he should never have been canon because my thought on his role on the moviesis just a cannon fodder masking as a grand leader
@@marvingulanes5577 Ah okay, I kinda agree with you since he was just cannon fodder. They could have honestly made him his own character instead of a creation of Palpatine. Maybe give him a backstory that mirrors Rey being a nobody.
@@HenryLouis21 they focused too much on the pew pew pew pew of the story like michael bays films explosions everywhere
as a fan of both continuities I agree I wish they would continue to publish legends stuff but I also get why they don't. Great video.
Dude everyone needs a break. You Tube is not your entire life. Spend SOME time with your fam
Really enjoyed the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, it was something new and not just another Imperial faction. I loved the way it essentially trashed the New Republic and thus made you question if Palpatine and Thrawn were right. I also liked the death of Chewbacca, not a character I particularly liked, and worked well in a story telling aspect in regards to Han, Leia and their kids lives splitting as the galaxy split around them. But they shouldn't be brought back into Canon because they would be watered down.
No god please no
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo
I was sceptical of reading the new Jedi Order but thanks to Eck I can't stop listening to them.
NOT FIRST IN ANYWAY!
Maybe not doing the exact story but I think the vong could if done right could be a good addition to canon
God i hope not. They are the epitome of 90s edgelords. "Yeah i stick spikes through my skin and use a live snake as a weapon and all life is pain. I fly a giant creature through space im awesome that way" ugh.. i hope they stay gone.
Connor notyerbidness Vongs are tyranids of Star Wars
I want them back but I want them to be changed to make them more realistic and a bit less brutal. They also should just have creepy looking melee blades instead of actual snakes. They could also get laser beams that they vaporize people with, use their sharp claws, super strength, have dangerous hounds, have more realistic vehicles, still have flying beasts, and have poison weapons. I think they should even have deadly assassins with active camo and either some plasma weapons (That fire yellow or orange shots) or deadly projectile weapons.
Congratulations on the baby, dude! I actually have one more book in the Old Republic era and have started reading Heir to the Empire, but after I am done with the Thrawn Trilogy I will begin reading Vector Prime. After hearing so much about the Vong, they seem pretty interesting and dark. Since Disney owns Star Wars, they want everything to be kid friendly, so the grittines that the Vong carries would be stripped away. In all honestly, it would be a surprise that they would return to canon, but their disconnect from the Force as a whole is what makes them so demonic and other worldly, so they would probably be changed into powerful dark side users.
Oh well, just my thoughts, keep up the good work on the channel!
No. Otherwise the canon fans will show off their double standard again. If it was legends EU, then it’s shit. The new canon however is apparently not shit and more sensical to them.
Keep them separate forever. I don’t want anymore legends material in canon because I want new material that doesn’t feel derived.
Widdle_PuppyFace what about incooperating legends material, which was alterd a bit to fit new storys , into the new canon ?
I honestly think that this will eventually happen maybe 20-30 years down the road with Episodes 10, 11 and 12 after the events of the Skywalker saga and once they run out of ideas for Disney+ shows. It's either this or an Old Republic Trilogy which will be set way before the Prequel Trilogy.
Congrats on the baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOVE ALL YOUR CONTENT!! I'm kind of IFFY on the YUUZHAN VONG. yes I like them but its would be odd with the FIRST ORDER being there. that would be the problem. I grow up with the all star wars and the new stuff Disney has is odd, but for sure the Vong are welcome anytime. Bring Ezra, Ahsoka tooo!!!
Congrats bro! take your time!
Congrats on the little one have fun!
A species being cut off from the force seems extremely plausible to me. The Exile was cut off from the force because she witnessed and basically caused the tragedy that is Mandalore. One planet. The Yuzon literally destroyed their entire galaxy, with powers they got from thier sentient planet, that became disgusted with them and was also destroyed. Then instead of trying to atone like the exile, or knowing how to feed off the galaxy like Nilous, or actually that not being an option since they went thru dead space for thousands of years, with nothing to feed on, or planets with ancient holocrons to teach them... Instead they adopted a religion of pain. Makes perfect sense the force was just looking at them and said, nope.
I want to see the Vong introduced into the movies and games. It opens up so many possibilities, there is other galaxies and greater threats to face. I like the Vong and find their tech fascinating
i think they should because it is an interesting concept to explore more often