Great video as always Hush. While H42 has seemingly become the face of affordable controllers, I believe the shift we are seeing is driven by GP2040-CE more than any specific company. Without their efforts to build open source firmware, it would not be possible for any of us to do what we do.
You are absolutely right and I probably should have leaned harder into the GP2040-CE element in the vid. The people behind that have really shaped the current controller landscape as you say. (I think maybe I was caught up with just the seemingly endless amount of these devices being posted on the sub.) Regardless, thank you for watching/commenting! I appreciate it!
@drftr6073 You're right of course, but I think the spirit of his comment still stands. Open source stuff seems to have been a net positive for our little niche. Thanks for watching and weighing in!
@@HushMySweet1 Open source stuff is good. Fully open source is better, though, and it would be nice to be able to manufacture replacement parts (like the PCB) yourself if something breaks, rather than being beholden to the vendor.
For a while I've felt like keyboard-based leverless controller makers have been pricing their offerings at a similar level to traditional sticks despite the actual build cost being significantly cheaper in just about every possible way except for the board, just because they could. But the reality is there's never been a reason for what are essentially 12-16 button keyboards (with build quality inferior to most actual keyboards) to cost anything near what they do. Even the "smaller market" argument doesn't hold up all that much... rhythm games are a significantly smaller market than the FGC and the controllers tend to use significantly more expensive buttons, switches and cases, but you can still get arcade-accurate cons for Sound Voltex and Beatmania IIDX for around $170-210. And let's face it, between GP2040-CE and Flatbox, a lot of the legwork has already been done by the community. I'm not saying this to denigrate the people who are making these things, but to acknowledge that these prices were never going to be sustainable. There will always be a place for premium options at a premium cost, but premium cost for thin plastic and low profile Kailhs doesn't make sense in a world where that's trivial to replicate. If anything, I hope this encourages leverless makers to up their game. Get crazy with the designs and materials in ways that can't (or won't) be imitated within a week by copycats. Find niches that aren't being served and serve them.
Very good comment and I imagine most on r/fightsticks will likely agree with your take. I especially like your last bit about encouraging makers to keep pressing the envelope and serving underserved niches. Thanks for watching/commenting!
Coming back to the FGC after a hiatus, the sheer variety of options, especially leverless and with GP2040-CE, is SUPER cool to see. It really feels like custom or prebuilt, there's a controller option for *everyone*, especially at such approachable prices. Loved the editing on this one, Hush. You did a great job. Keep up the great work with the videos!
So many cool options! I agree, there's practically a controller for every person's particular tastes and sensibilities these days. And thanks for noticing the editing, BUT I can't take credit. I used the services of an editor for this vid just to see the difference or see if it would save me time. Spoiler, it didn't really save me time since I still had to do the rough cut and make the little Seven Samurai joke clip myself. But maybe if I can keep this channel growing, I can afford to pay for an editor sometimes to try and kick these up a notch.
I can see this being a very useful vid for people on the fence about buying a Kitsune. Also, I was in the mood to watch Seven Samurai again the other day, but didn't. Gotta make time for a rewatch this weekend. Great video!
Nice comparison - loved that silly samurai edit lol! I have the G16 myself as a spare little portable box and it feels unbelievably premium for the price. Big fan of Haute, also incredible documentation
I was pretty proud of that dumb edit, lol. Felt right for the vid. Anyway, thanks for commenting and weighing in, dude! Always like to see you in the comments!
Having injured both my hands, I have recently switched back to my old hitbox and its been a game saver. What I wonder is if the small size of the haute42 makes it unruly to play with on your lap?
I tend to gravitate toward larger all-button ones myself. The size of this one was good, but if you're concerned, then there are other Haute42 models which are bigger and you might prefer. Thank you for watching!
I find I have to cross my legs to balance my S13 on one, which ain't the best solution. I also sometimes just use a lap board if I'm playing on my lap at home, but that's not exactly the best option for a tournament. I love the size if I have a desk available though!
The T16 is near a perfect controller for me. The size is perfect, the extra buttons make such a massive difference. Even if the layout of them isn't exactly what I would do, I don't expect any non-custom controller to align perfectly with me. It has art support, GP2040, buttons are great by default (although I upgraded mine to the Lofree Ghosts). And most importantly of all, the controller is damn near silent. For basically every other leverless controller with extra button I was able to find, they're 3D printed which creates a noise profile that is much louder. The Punk Workshop (love their buttons btw) isn't 3D printed, but no art support. I would have bought my T16 even if it were the price of the Kitsune. Doesn't feel like there are any compromises for the price at all. My only wish is that they had an official art-printing service, or someone like Focus Attack added this to their lineup.
I don't see the reason in such simple device to cost more than $100. You just can't fuck up such controller. You don't even have to design the electronics, the looks or the layout as it's basically established standard. Instead of paying absurd price for such controller you can just build one with available parts like control board and high quality arcade buttons.the case can just be a typical wooden box for decorating. Just print the layout, drill holes and mount the buttons and the electronics. You don't even need any skills to build such thing. If you want it to look good, just spray paint the box. DIY hitbox will be as good as those premium priced ones.
It's crazy how fast they've grown in the FGC. I still remember back in October of last year when I bought my T16 not being sure if it was a scam. But at the time I really wanted to try out the extra buttons for SF6. At the time the brand was still pretty unknown, and fast forward now, everyone got one 😂. Haute42 is really making a service to the community by having a fairly priced products, and also they were really smart with the T16 (and the other 16 buttons model) as a good part of the community was looking for those extra buttons for SF6. I have tested the Razer Kitsune at a local, and to be honest the material and feel of the controller are good. But 350 euros/dollars for a controller with an outdated layout, and which is impossible to customize (if you want to add extra buttons)... it's a joke. If I'm paying 350 euros / dollars for a controller now, it would be for a custom build, not for a mass produced one.
Completely agree on both your points. They have grown much quicker than I would have expected (every time I refresh the sub, it's like another Haute post).
Spot on! I have a $350 custom Foehammer and I love it --- but it was $350 for a custom unit --- no some mass-produced product. The Haute42 stuff is AMAZING.
That one looks very solid (I like them a bit bigger to sit in the lap better). You'll have to let us know what you think when you get it. Thanks for commenting/watching!
A part of me wants to see how Haute42 would go about releasing their own fightstick with an actual lever. The quality they put out at such a low cost is 🔥🔥🔥
That would definitely be interesting. More and more people seem to be going all-in on the all-button controllers over joysticks these days though, so I won't hold my breath. Could be cool though. Thank you for watching!
They're not able to do this at a low cost because they've got some magic sauce nobody else has, they're able to do it because everyone else was over-charging for extremely simple and cheap off-the-shelf components and community-maintained software in a form factor that's durable more or less by the very nature of its construction. An actual fightstick would necessitate more expensive parts and an enclosure with a higher material cost and more consideration for proper structural integrity. The price to performance ratio compared to the competition wouldn't be nearly as stark just because fightstick prices aren't quite as out of whack so there's not as much correction to be made.
@@sethsez I mean they do have the magic sauce of being able to make everything in house and then shipping. Being in china allows them to keep the low prices and still be profitable, us/euro based companies can't afford that without barely breaking even (not talking abt hitbox, more of flatbox makers and such)
as someone who bought the Mavercade Keebbrawler after your review, I'm very happy that Haute is offering a cheaper option now. I don't regret my purchase but a lot of these leverless manufacturers know they are robbing people while offering mediocre customer service. Controllers should be affordable. Basic gear shouldn't cost significantly more than a full price game unless it's something premium. PS Hush plz do video on new mayflash f500/f700 flat
Glad you got some value from the Mavercade reviews (I love a lot of their design ideas)! But yeah, there's definitely a place for these cheaper controllers to reduce that barrier to entry and get more people in on the scene. Thanks for watching/commenting!
I like the M16 a lot. Mine is in silver and it doesnt show fingerprints, but i'll admit i wish i grabbed one of the white models too before they were discontinued. They looked pretty sleek. Kitsune is potentially my favorite to use (i like mPress EVO a lot too), but i appreciate the Haute stuff like the M for quality at different price points since it makes it easier to recommend to newcomers. Nice vid!
Yeah, that silver looks nice and its ability to camouflage fingerprints is definitely worth mentioning. I think I would prefer the silver (or white as you say!) color either way just because black seems so matte and standard. I also agree with you in that there are so many models and the price is so low on most of them that it's an easy recommendation for friends wanting to try out leverless but not break the bank trying to get into the scene. Hey, thanks for watching/commenting! I appreciate it!
Great review! But I don't get something. The aliexpress page for that haute42 controller says it is compatible with the PS5 but you said it does need a dongle. How is it in reality? I have an old leverless controller for PC that I bought many years ago and recently swapped its internal board for a Brook Fighting Board P4+ that I had lying around and now I can use it on my PS5 but only with PS4 games. That's why I'm interested in these Haute42 controllers, because I want to play PS5 games, but if I still need a dongle, in that case I may just get a dongle and use it on my modified controller that already works and feels great. What do you think?
I think I understand your question. So, these devices are compatible with PS5, but they need authentication which a user can achieve with one of these dongles and a trip to the web configurator page. When you're looking at different products, make sure the one you want mentions a "pass through" slot. That's where you'll put the dongle. Some older GP2040-CE-based devices do not have them. Most of the Haute stuff has them, however. But remember, Haute is based on the GP2040-CE; Brook is something different, so they don't play nicely together. So the dongle/pass through stuff will not work with your existing Brook stickless. For your fix, you can 1) buy a Haute product + dongle, or 2) you can keep your original build and just buy an adapter like the Brook Wingman, or 3) replace the board inside your original build with a Brook P5 Plus Fighting Board (and then just sell your P4+ board to recoup some of the costs). Good luck.
Hatue42 and generally GP2040-CE controllers do support PS5 connectivity, but without a dongle they are limited to only 8 minutes of activity before they turn automatically off. To prevent this you need either: 1. MayFlash MagicBoots 1.1 dongle - just connect it to the pass through port and enable USB Host in the controller settings. 2. Brook Wingman FGC - this is an adapter for almost any type of controller that supports PS5. You can even play with an Xbox controller with it.
I've been really impressed with the quality and price on haute's products. I got to borrow one at a local, truthfully it's a little too small and cramped and I didn't feel the benefit of the extra button in that 30 mins or so at least. But the sheer value for price on all their products is a game changer that I can't deny. The surge of new flatboxes and other gp-2040 based leverless devices though is really good for the market, prices on these controllers were getting out of hand a couple years ago. The fact I can name 3 brands that make sub-$100 leverless controllers that are all of decent quality or better would've been unthinkable in 2022.
Tried both, enjoyed both. But ended up sticking with my Kitsune after changing out the switches and buttons. For the price, Haute42 products are always more worth your money though.
I have the T-Series model and every button cap easily falls off the switches during regular gameplay. Even if I use standard keyboard caps on them. I've tried emailing the company twice about it and never got a response for over 2 weeks. Not sure if I happened to get a defective model where all switches, including the spare, and broken. But I think it's worth keeping in mind.
That's good to know and I'll have to keep my ears open to see if similar issues are reported by others. I personally haven't experienced anything like that on any of mine (but usually people sending review copies test them before sending them off to reviewers, so mine may have been double-checked; or maybe yours is just an unfortunate lemon. I hope you get it resolved). Thanks for watching.
The MX stem is nice for compatibility but the tolerances it requires to work can be an issue. The best solution is to cut a very tiny square of Scotch tape, basically the same size as the stem itself, and place it on the top of the switch stem, pinching it down to fit. This makes the stem ever so slightly thicker, which will hold the cap on more securely (but it can still be removed if you need to). I had to do this for a mini rhythm game controller and it worked perfectly.
I really like the Haute42, the only thing that's stopping me from buying one, are the amount of buttons. I'm worried, that I will press buttons that are in the way accidentially, and I think the hand is resting differently, compared to leverless controllers with 12 buttons (even though i'm not certain), so I would prefer one with less buttons.
They have 13 button controllers as well, where the only extra button is the additional up button over the down one (and it can be disabled). I agree the 16 button controllers are a bit of a cluster, but as far as I know none of their models are ONLY 16-button, they all have variants. They also have a few 12-button models if even the additional up is too much, and they all come in at under $50.
Like the others have said, you can change buttons (turn them off) or buy a different version with fewer buttons in a more traditional layout. Thanks for watching!
How does Haute's M16 compare to their T16? I tried their S16 but the buttons on it felt a bit too cramped and I returned it, the T16 seems to be the same controller just with space to rest your hands on. Am I seeing it right that the buttons on the M16 are a bit further apart? Also, do you have any opinions on the Fightbox F10/B10? I'm trying to decide on my first leverless and my options are pretty limited, living in the UK, but the aforementioned 3 seem to be my best options. Would appreciate your insight a lot.
Like you, I prefer the larger T line over the S line. Haute is coming out with an M+ unit which also runs larger. So definitely consider waiting for that if you want metal like the one in this vid, but just want something a bit bigger. I looked at a FightBox (not the B10, but a more basic one) in a previous video if you want to see what they look like inside. Everyone is different, but if you want something more like a traditional HitBox, then the B10 will probably tick more boxes for you. These Haute ones have embraced the thinner form factor similar to JFA Micros and such. Both have their pros and cons, but I thought the quality of both FightBox and Haute met or exceeded my expectations. Good luck in the hunt for the best controller for you!
@@HushMySweet1 Thanks for the super quick response but could you tell me if the M16's buttons are further apart than the T16's? That's my main concern between the two. And thanks for the heads up on the M+.
@@tyraster8603 No, they look to have the exact same layouts. Maybe ~12 cm from the left edge of the LK button to the right edge of the farmost 3K button. Everything looks like the same as the T16.
It's in the mail, actually. But I hope to explore it in depth when it arrives for another video. Thanks for watching! (And let me know your thoughts if yours arrives sooner, lol)
Button spacing is nearly identical (like maybe a mm or two over the span of full rows). It might look a bit different because the Haute42 buttons are slightly bigger than the Kitsune ones, but your hands will rest on them in very similar ways.
I own both these controllers and several versions of the Junkfood micros. They are all great, but for the money, the M16 is unbeatable, only thing it doesn't have is the PS5 compatibility but you can use one of those USB Brookes or Mayflash adapters and it will still cost less. The Kitsune has a plastic casing, M16 has a real metal case. Button wise, I think the Kitsune's are the best feeling, but not enough to justify the price. I got the silver M16 and you get much less noticeable fingerprints on it. I also got those generic button caps you can get on Aliexpress for the M16 and they are much better than the stock button caps IMO, nicer feel and let the LED shine through, recommend the smokey black ones because you don't see the red of the switches much and together with the LED lighting you can have any button color you want. Also nice to change SOCD on the fly, though I'm not sure that's specific to the M16. I change it to up priority when I use Blanka in SF6 and back to neutral with other chars/ playing Tekken 8.
Yeah, the SOCD stuff is really nice. I was going to mention it in a longer version I had planned, but went with this quicker take instead. And yeah, completely agree about the value element. Thanks for watching!
FYI Kitsune didn't have multiple SOCD cleaning options at launch, but after an update early March, you have more than just the neutral SOCD available on the Kitsune now.
@@exia2321 Yeah, I've been using up priority on it for a while. The M16 Plus is even better than the original M16, better button caps, switches and stock cable
I like a bigger footprint in the lap and more wrist area so it is just more comfortable to play on (and the unintentional piece is there is also more room for art which is also a plus). So I would probably put them as T16 Crystal or the M16 Plus. S16 nearer the bottom since it's so small. But a lot of people love that about it, so take my stance with a grain of salt.
I love that this product exists. Cheaper controller alternatives are amazing, and varying price points that allow all people who want to delve into leverless to do so is obviously good for the FGC. I do however feel this video is a tad disingenuous, as it does gloss over the fact that the Razer Kitsune, while a good bit more expensive, is in many ways significantly better as a controller than the Haute series has produced. Optical switches are a large improvement over mechanical ones, the size and better construction quality are noticeable, the native compatability with PS5 means no additional hardware is required to connect to either PC or Playstation, which is important given that the PS5 is tournament standard for consoles and reduces any worrying regarding controller performance. I have also had Haute controllers disconnect from Playstations randomly, something which does not happen to the Kitsune due again to the native compatibility.
I have both controllers and don't think optical switches (which you can get in other cheaper models, like the LightFox) nor the native PS5 play (one dongle and a single trip to the web configurator) make up for the $200 disparity. If a user wants a bigger footprint and fewer buttons like the Razer Kitsune, then Haute42 also has a controller around that size which is also offered in a traditional layout. Some people might want the brand name and novel switches and the right-out-the-box PS5 compatibility, and that's cool. I just think the value proposition is so much stronger with the Haute42 device. Its lower pricepoint makes it much easier to recommend to people on the fence, since most people in my circles don't want to pony up $300 to get into leverless. Razer isn't bad, just inefficient imo. (But I'm just one guy and this is all just my opinion obv) Thanks for weighing in with your perspective!
I haven't tried the kitsune but I have the M13 and I can't really imagine another controller being much nicer in any way that's not just personal preference.
I totally get what you're saying. Like, if it plays on the system you want and inputs the correct function when you make a press, then there ya go. But I agree, a good amount of bang for your buck with this controller. Thanks for watching!
Haute42 products is no joke. I have the S13 series which is my first leverless. the build quality is great. It really got me into leverless controllers. I don't see myself Playing on pads anymore
Love your review as usual Ask them to send you. the bigger M+ version ;) btw can you review the QRD maestro s3 ? there was som backslsh on /r but I think they deserve a good review from you as they have good ideas and also doio lineup
Hey, thanks for the nice comment. The bigger version does look nicer. It's funny you bring up the QRD Maestro s3. I hadn't heard of it until like a month ago. If there's an interest, then maybe I can look into procuring one to demo. What exactly do we need to look at? Any burning questions about the device? And thanks for watching!
@@HushMySweet1 would be nice if they can send you one for review (they did send to some random casual reviewer with no expertises as yours ) its a ps4 native and oldies wireless hitbox with classic layout and hotswappable full size MX so burning question is latency of course and also third party keycap compatibility with their custom mx button there is also an easy mode supposed to help ppl with big motion like HCF , I guess it add some input buffer here and there to make it more but Im wondering if its also adding some lags note its not a gp20 based that was part of the initial backslash I read on /r but given al the feature I think it deserve a look the only worth reviewer of it so far are @VidVayder and a korean tekken player but in korean ;p I also suggest you to look for the doio KBGM H05 (a real contender for the haute42. M16) and DRMFTG if you can. , the later is harder to get outside japan I think and quite pricey looking forward
Just wondering, is it confirmed that it works on Xbox series? There was the recent change last Fall that made it so Xbox would only accept officially licensed controllers. I used to use a GP2040-CE controller with a brook adapter but it stopped working after Xbox made the change. Thanks for the review!
Hey, thanks for watching. As far as the Xbox stuff, I don't have any of that to test on, so my response here is not firsthand experience. However, when it comes to Xbox, I believe original Xbox support is native, but One and Series needs authentication. So you'd enable it on the web configurator like I did for the PS5 here, just for Xbox, and then use an appropriate dongle in that pass through slot. There is a Magic Boots Xbox dongle but they are hard to find now, so you can try a Mayflash Magic X instead. They function the same, just the Magic X is a bit longer. Good luck! And if you need additional help or something I said isn't quite right, the folks over at the GP2040-CE discord are helpful. discord.gg/juj9SNT8
I really need to invest in one. Questions about them come up every so often and it would be nice to have one on hand to confirm different things for different people. But no, I have not tried the PS5 one.
It's sort of a one-and-done deal once you've got it set up, but yeah, if you want something right out of the box that works on PS5 and PC, the Kitsune may be for you.
Yeah, they both stick up just a hair more than they should for the optimal slides. I still could get them off, just had to be a bit more deliberate. Thanks for watching/commenting!
If they made a model with this 16 button layout and size that used the regular 24mm size buttons for everything but the jump button, I would drop my snack box for it. The only reason I haven't got one of these hautes is because I have small hands and the larger buttons don't feel as comfy😅
That's understandable. I think I prefer a bit larger button, but can definitely see that they won't appeal to everyone. No standardized hand sizes... But! Maybe they'll drop something in the future that works with your sensibilities. They have been beefing up their line with lots of different models, so you never know. Regardless, thanks for watching/commenting!
@@HushMySweet1 Yeah for me the 24mm buttons are honestly what I love the most about these button boxes over arcade sticks. The hand feel especially considering I have smaller hands is just fantastic. Good ass content as per usual tho Mr. Hush 😎
It really depends on what you prioritize. If you really like optical switches, then the Kitsune will have this beat. If you like arcade style buttons, then Hit Box will win. Does it need to work right out of the box on the PS5 or are you okay with some tinkering? The Kitsune will work straight away, but something like the Haute42 T16 Crystal (if you want to install artwork) or the M16+ (if you prefer metal) are cheaper and have more button options, but you have to install a dongle to make sure they work on PS5. It's easy to do, but some people don't like to mess with their controllers. Mavercade also has some fun layouts if you like these ones with more button options. It's hard to give a true recommendation without knowing what you prioritize in a controller, but all of the ones I mentioned will function well. Thanks for watching!
Yes, but not out of the box. You need to buy a dongle (something like a Mayflash Magic Boots v1.1) and configure it in the web configurator. A bit of legwork initially, but it's easy and you only need to do it once. Good luck.
I saw that on the twittersphere, but not from their official account. They are working on it, so I'm of the mind that they will release it at some point, however. Thanks for watching.
@@HushMySweet1 it’s a drop in a bucket but yet another device you have to remember to bring I should’ve mentioned. I hate adapters whether it’s for laptops , phones or controllers etc
I believe original Xbox support is native, but One and Series needs authentication. So you'd enable it on the web configurator like I did for the PS5 here, just for Xbox, and then use an appropriate dongle in that pass through slot. There is a Magic Boots Xbox dongle but they are hard to find now, so you can try a Mayflash Magic X instead. They function the same, just the Magic X is a bit longer. Good luck!
I've been watching videos on these all night, as a person who wants to dive into fighting games, sticks have never felt good to me, and controllers are even worse, i think leverless will hit the sweet spot since I pc game and am use to keyboards. probably gonna go with the r16 though
Saddest thing about these that I've seen is controller chaos selling them for 150 with some art slapped onto them. No new switches, no nothing else, just new art under the plexiglass. They are thieves in the FGC I swear, especially at Majors.
I'm endeared to Donatello as the fav turtle, so when I saw that post on r/fightsticks I knew I had to include here. Great theme and thank you for watching!
Bought a few leverless controllers from a few different companies now (JFA, PWS & a customized no-name). I can say that the H42 M model is my favorite by far. PWS are great too but prefer the H42 M at the moment. The JFA mini is just junk tbh (sorry not sorry).
Yeah, there are a ton of options, and I'm confident a user could find their ideal controller. Glad to hear you've had a good experience with the Haute stuff so far.
Hey, that's cool. It's definitely a fine device (I'm just not a huge fan of the price.) Are you a big fan of the optical switches? Or what makes it better than all in your opinion? Thanks for watching!
Well, maybe not exclusively for fightsticks, but definitely a big tech company with their hands in a lot of different peripherals and game-y stuff. And to your second point, though I don't know for certain, I would almost bet that Haute would have some smaller button stuff coming (based only on the speed at which they've bulked up their line of controllers). It seems like every few weeks there's a new edition. Regardless, thanks for watching/commenting!
Well, it's a ~$25-30 dongle on top of your initial $100 for this metal model, true. But that's still less than half of the Kitsune price tag. But plug-and-play / ease of use stuff is very nice and still very important to a lot of people, so I get where you're coming from. The dongle is cheap and easy though, so I didn't count it against the Haute and GP2040-CE stuff too harshly. Regardless, thanks for watching/commenting.
Kitsune plays on PS5 out of the box. The M16 has a slot for a dongle and you just use something like a $30 Mayflash MagicBoots v1.1 and it will authenticate and play on PS5.
They sell two versions where one is same size with standard button layout and one is the size of the t16 with again the standard layout. So if you didn't want extra buttons they have that too.
@haste57 Was just gonna comment the same thing. They've got some options for traditional layouts and newer ones as shown in the vid. Thanks for weighing in!
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What a super nice compliment, I am so touched!!❤
Thanks for watching and for the demo controller! I hope you continue to make good value controllers for the people.
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Great video as always Hush. While H42 has seemingly become the face of affordable controllers, I believe the shift we are seeing is driven by GP2040-CE more than any specific company. Without their efforts to build open source firmware, it would not be possible for any of us to do what we do.
You are absolutely right and I probably should have leaned harder into the GP2040-CE element in the vid. The people behind that have really shaped the current controller landscape as you say. (I think maybe I was caught up with just the seemingly endless amount of these devices being posted on the sub.) Regardless, thank you for watching/commenting! I appreciate it!
And they are fire 🔥
Glad to see open-source hardware thoroughly clapping the established alternatives in terms of both price and future-proofing.
It's been amazing to witness the rise of open-source hardware! Thanks for watching/commenting!
haute42 controllers are not open sourced. they just piggyback off readily available open source firmware.
@drftr6073 You're right of course, but I think the spirit of his comment still stands. Open source stuff seems to have been a net positive for our little niche. Thanks for watching and weighing in!
@@HushMySweet1 Open source stuff is good. Fully open source is better, though, and it would be nice to be able to manufacture replacement parts (like the PCB) yourself if something breaks, rather than being beholden to the vendor.
@@rahzaelfoe3288 Look into the GP2040-CE a little more. What you just described is actually an option.
For a while I've felt like keyboard-based leverless controller makers have been pricing their offerings at a similar level to traditional sticks despite the actual build cost being significantly cheaper in just about every possible way except for the board, just because they could. But the reality is there's never been a reason for what are essentially 12-16 button keyboards (with build quality inferior to most actual keyboards) to cost anything near what they do. Even the "smaller market" argument doesn't hold up all that much... rhythm games are a significantly smaller market than the FGC and the controllers tend to use significantly more expensive buttons, switches and cases, but you can still get arcade-accurate cons for Sound Voltex and Beatmania IIDX for around $170-210. And let's face it, between GP2040-CE and Flatbox, a lot of the legwork has already been done by the community.
I'm not saying this to denigrate the people who are making these things, but to acknowledge that these prices were never going to be sustainable. There will always be a place for premium options at a premium cost, but premium cost for thin plastic and low profile Kailhs doesn't make sense in a world where that's trivial to replicate.
If anything, I hope this encourages leverless makers to up their game. Get crazy with the designs and materials in ways that can't (or won't) be imitated within a week by copycats. Find niches that aren't being served and serve them.
Very good comment and I imagine most on r/fightsticks will likely agree with your take. I especially like your last bit about encouraging makers to keep pressing the envelope and serving underserved niches. Thanks for watching/commenting!
Coming back to the FGC after a hiatus, the sheer variety of options, especially leverless and with GP2040-CE, is SUPER cool to see. It really feels like custom or prebuilt, there's a controller option for *everyone*, especially at such approachable prices.
Loved the editing on this one, Hush. You did a great job. Keep up the great work with the videos!
So many cool options! I agree, there's practically a controller for every person's particular tastes and sensibilities these days. And thanks for noticing the editing, BUT I can't take credit. I used the services of an editor for this vid just to see the difference or see if it would save me time. Spoiler, it didn't really save me time since I still had to do the rough cut and make the little Seven Samurai joke clip myself. But maybe if I can keep this channel growing, I can afford to pay for an editor sometimes to try and kick these up a notch.
I can see this being a very useful vid for people on the fence about buying a Kitsune. Also, I was in the mood to watch Seven Samurai again the other day, but didn't. Gotta make time for a rewatch this weekend. Great video!
What a classic flick. And thanks for stopping by, V! Always love to see you in the comments!
Nice comparison - loved that silly samurai edit lol! I have the G16 myself as a spare little portable box and it feels unbelievably premium for the price. Big fan of Haute, also incredible documentation
I was pretty proud of that dumb edit, lol. Felt right for the vid. Anyway, thanks for commenting and weighing in, dude! Always like to see you in the comments!
Leverless controllers are slowly transforming into Keyboards. ;)
"Wait, it's all just a keyboard?"
"Always has been."
Having injured both my hands, I have recently switched back to my old hitbox and its been a game saver. What I wonder is if the small size of the haute42 makes it unruly to play with on your lap?
I tend to gravitate toward larger all-button ones myself. The size of this one was good, but if you're concerned, then there are other Haute42 models which are bigger and you might prefer. Thank you for watching!
I find I have to cross my legs to balance my S13 on one, which ain't the best solution. I also sometimes just use a lap board if I'm playing on my lap at home, but that's not exactly the best option for a tournament. I love the size if I have a desk available though!
The T16 is near a perfect controller for me. The size is perfect, the extra buttons make such a massive difference. Even if the layout of them isn't exactly what I would do, I don't expect any non-custom controller to align perfectly with me. It has art support, GP2040, buttons are great by default (although I upgraded mine to the Lofree Ghosts). And most importantly of all, the controller is damn near silent. For basically every other leverless controller with extra button I was able to find, they're 3D printed which creates a noise profile that is much louder. The Punk Workshop (love their buttons btw) isn't 3D printed, but no art support.
I would have bought my T16 even if it were the price of the Kitsune. Doesn't feel like there are any compromises for the price at all. My only wish is that they had an official art-printing service, or someone like Focus Attack added this to their lineup.
That's high praise! I'm glad it has worked so well for you! Thank you for watching/commenting!
It's real nice to have more affordable options. I'll gladly pay an extra to be able to ask for a specific customed layout.
Sooo many cool options these days. You can really find the best controller for you. It's great. Thanks for watching, dude!
I don't see the reason in such simple device to cost more than $100. You just can't fuck up such controller. You don't even have to design the electronics, the looks or the layout as it's basically established standard. Instead of paying absurd price for such controller you can just build one with available parts like control board and high quality arcade buttons.the case can just be a typical wooden box for decorating. Just print the layout, drill holes and mount the buttons and the electronics. You don't even need any skills to build such thing. If you want it to look good, just spray paint the box. DIY hitbox will be as good as those premium priced ones.
It's crazy how fast they've grown in the FGC. I still remember back in October of last year when I bought my T16 not being sure if it was a scam. But at the time I really wanted to try out the extra buttons for SF6. At the time the brand was still pretty unknown, and fast forward now, everyone got one 😂.
Haute42 is really making a service to the community by having a fairly priced products, and also they were really smart with the T16 (and the other 16 buttons model) as a good part of the community was looking for those extra buttons for SF6.
I have tested the Razer Kitsune at a local, and to be honest the material and feel of the controller are good. But 350 euros/dollars for a controller with an outdated layout, and which is impossible to customize (if you want to add extra buttons)... it's a joke. If I'm paying 350 euros / dollars for a controller now, it would be for a custom build, not for a mass produced one.
Completely agree on both your points. They have grown much quicker than I would have expected (every time I refresh the sub, it's like another Haute post).
Spot on! I have a $350 custom Foehammer and I love it --- but it was $350 for a custom unit --- no some mass-produced product. The Haute42 stuff is AMAZING.
Thank you, This is a great video, I’m waiting for Haute42 M plus 😍
That one looks very solid (I like them a bit bigger to sit in the lap better). You'll have to let us know what you think when you get it. Thanks for commenting/watching!
A part of me wants to see how Haute42 would go about releasing their own fightstick with an actual lever. The quality they put out at such a low cost is 🔥🔥🔥
That would definitely be interesting. More and more people seem to be going all-in on the all-button controllers over joysticks these days though, so I won't hold my breath. Could be cool though. Thank you for watching!
They're not able to do this at a low cost because they've got some magic sauce nobody else has, they're able to do it because everyone else was over-charging for extremely simple and cheap off-the-shelf components and community-maintained software in a form factor that's durable more or less by the very nature of its construction. An actual fightstick would necessitate more expensive parts and an enclosure with a higher material cost and more consideration for proper structural integrity. The price to performance ratio compared to the competition wouldn't be nearly as stark just because fightstick prices aren't quite as out of whack so there's not as much correction to be made.
@@sethsez I mean they do have the magic sauce of being able to make everything in house and then shipping. Being in china allows them to keep the low prices and still be profitable, us/euro based companies can't afford that without barely breaking even (not talking abt hitbox, more of flatbox makers and such)
as someone who bought the Mavercade Keebbrawler after your review, I'm very happy that Haute is offering a cheaper option now. I don't regret my purchase but a lot of these leverless manufacturers know they are robbing people while offering mediocre customer service.
Controllers should be affordable. Basic gear shouldn't cost significantly more than a full price game unless it's something premium.
PS Hush plz do video on new mayflash f500/f700 flat
Glad you got some value from the Mavercade reviews (I love a lot of their design ideas)! But yeah, there's definitely a place for these cheaper controllers to reduce that barrier to entry and get more people in on the scene. Thanks for watching/commenting!
I like the M16 a lot. Mine is in silver and it doesnt show fingerprints, but i'll admit i wish i grabbed one of the white models too before they were discontinued. They looked pretty sleek. Kitsune is potentially my favorite to use (i like mPress EVO a lot too), but i appreciate the Haute stuff like the M for quality at different price points since it makes it easier to recommend to newcomers. Nice vid!
Yeah, that silver looks nice and its ability to camouflage fingerprints is definitely worth mentioning. I think I would prefer the silver (or white as you say!) color either way just because black seems so matte and standard. I also agree with you in that there are so many models and the price is so low on most of them that it's an easy recommendation for friends wanting to try out leverless but not break the bank trying to get into the scene. Hey, thanks for watching/commenting! I appreciate it!
Great review! But I don't get something. The aliexpress page for that haute42 controller says it is compatible with the PS5 but you said it does need a dongle. How is it in reality? I have an old leverless controller for PC that I bought many years ago and recently swapped its internal board for a Brook Fighting Board P4+ that I had lying around and now I can use it on my PS5 but only with PS4 games. That's why I'm interested in these Haute42 controllers, because I want to play PS5 games, but if I still need a dongle, in that case I may just get a dongle and use it on my modified controller that already works and feels great. What do you think?
I think I understand your question. So, these devices are compatible with PS5, but they need authentication which a user can achieve with one of these dongles and a trip to the web configurator page. When you're looking at different products, make sure the one you want mentions a "pass through" slot. That's where you'll put the dongle. Some older GP2040-CE-based devices do not have them. Most of the Haute stuff has them, however. But remember, Haute is based on the GP2040-CE; Brook is something different, so they don't play nicely together. So the dongle/pass through stuff will not work with your existing Brook stickless. For your fix, you can 1) buy a Haute product + dongle, or 2) you can keep your original build and just buy an adapter like the Brook Wingman, or 3) replace the board inside your original build with a Brook P5 Plus Fighting Board (and then just sell your P4+ board to recoup some of the costs). Good luck.
Hatue42 and generally GP2040-CE controllers do support PS5 connectivity, but without a dongle they are limited to only 8 minutes of activity before they turn automatically off. To prevent this you need either:
1. MayFlash MagicBoots 1.1 dongle - just connect it to the pass through port and enable USB Host in the controller settings.
2. Brook Wingman FGC - this is an adapter for almost any type of controller that supports PS5. You can even play with an Xbox controller with it.
I've been really impressed with the quality and price on haute's products. I got to borrow one at a local, truthfully it's a little too small and cramped and I didn't feel the benefit of the extra button in that 30 mins or so at least. But the sheer value for price on all their products is a game changer that I can't deny. The surge of new flatboxes and other gp-2040 based leverless devices though is really good for the market, prices on these controllers were getting out of hand a couple years ago. The fact I can name 3 brands that make sub-$100 leverless controllers that are all of decent quality or better would've been unthinkable in 2022.
What a time to be alive. And you're right, tons of more reasonably priced options compared to years back. Thanks for watching/commenting!
Haute is offering some quality products and features thatd make the more expensive ones look inattequite, and you love to see it
We love to see it indeed! Thanks for watching/commenting, dude!
Tried both, enjoyed both. But ended up sticking with my Kitsune after changing out the switches and buttons. For the price, Haute42 products are always more worth your money though.
Definitely a good value and easy to recommend to newcomers on the scene just trying to ease into the hobby. Thanks for commenting/watching!
@@HushMySweet1thank you!
I have the T-Series model and every button cap easily falls off the switches during regular gameplay. Even if I use standard keyboard caps on them. I've tried emailing the company twice about it and never got a response for over 2 weeks. Not sure if I happened to get a defective model where all switches, including the spare, and broken. But I think it's worth keeping in mind.
That's good to know and I'll have to keep my ears open to see if similar issues are reported by others. I personally haven't experienced anything like that on any of mine (but usually people sending review copies test them before sending them off to reviewers, so mine may have been double-checked; or maybe yours is just an unfortunate lemon. I hope you get it resolved). Thanks for watching.
The MX stem is nice for compatibility but the tolerances it requires to work can be an issue. The best solution is to cut a very tiny square of Scotch tape, basically the same size as the stem itself, and place it on the top of the switch stem, pinching it down to fit. This makes the stem ever so slightly thicker, which will hold the cap on more securely (but it can still be removed if you need to). I had to do this for a mini rhythm game controller and it worked perfectly.
For anyone still on the fence, all hitbox are functionally the same. Get one that's the right size for you that's all there is to it.
I really like the Haute42, the only thing that's stopping me from buying one, are the amount of buttons. I'm worried, that I will press buttons that are in the way accidentially, and I think the hand is resting differently, compared to leverless controllers with 12 buttons (even though i'm not certain), so I would prefer one with less buttons.
They have 13 button controllers as well, where the only extra button is the additional up button over the down one (and it can be disabled). I agree the 16 button controllers are a bit of a cluster, but as far as I know none of their models are ONLY 16-button, they all have variants.
They also have a few 12-button models if even the additional up is too much, and they all come in at under $50.
You can just turn off any button.
Like the others have said, you can change buttons (turn them off) or buy a different version with fewer buttons in a more traditional layout. Thanks for watching!
How does Haute's M16 compare to their T16? I tried their S16 but the buttons on it felt a bit too cramped and I returned it, the T16 seems to be the same controller just with space to rest your hands on. Am I seeing it right that the buttons on the M16 are a bit further apart?
Also, do you have any opinions on the Fightbox F10/B10?
I'm trying to decide on my first leverless and my options are pretty limited, living in the UK, but the aforementioned 3 seem to be my best options.
Would appreciate your insight a lot.
Like you, I prefer the larger T line over the S line. Haute is coming out with an M+ unit which also runs larger. So definitely consider waiting for that if you want metal like the one in this vid, but just want something a bit bigger. I looked at a FightBox (not the B10, but a more basic one) in a previous video if you want to see what they look like inside. Everyone is different, but if you want something more like a traditional HitBox, then the B10 will probably tick more boxes for you. These Haute ones have embraced the thinner form factor similar to JFA Micros and such. Both have their pros and cons, but I thought the quality of both FightBox and Haute met or exceeded my expectations. Good luck in the hunt for the best controller for you!
@@HushMySweet1 Thanks for the super quick response but could you tell me if the M16's buttons are further apart than the T16's? That's my main concern between the two. And thanks for the heads up on the M+.
@@tyraster8603 No, they look to have the exact same layouts. Maybe ~12 cm from the left edge of the LK button to the right edge of the farmost 3K button. Everything looks like the same as the T16.
@@HushMySweet1 Oh ok, it really looked like there was a bigger gap between buttons on the M16 but it must be my imagination. Thanks a lot bro!
Hey brother did you get an early review M Plus unit? It released yesterday and mine is on the way now. Would like to hear your thoughts.
It's in the mail, actually. But I hope to explore it in depth when it arrives for another video. Thanks for watching! (And let me know your thoughts if yours arrives sooner, lol)
I hope this controller eats into Razer's profit, the price of the kitsune is down right despicable.
Can you just a quick comparison on button spacing? I have smaller hands and want to be sure what to buy. I already own a normal hitbox
Button spacing is nearly identical (like maybe a mm or two over the span of full rows). It might look a bit different because the Haute42 buttons are slightly bigger than the Kitsune ones, but your hands will rest on them in very similar ways.
I own both these controllers and several versions of the Junkfood micros. They are all great, but for the money, the M16 is unbeatable, only thing it doesn't have is the PS5 compatibility but you can use one of those USB Brookes or Mayflash adapters and it will still cost less.
The Kitsune has a plastic casing, M16 has a real metal case. Button wise, I think the Kitsune's are the best feeling, but not enough to justify the price. I got the silver M16 and you get much less noticeable fingerprints on it. I also got those generic button caps you can get on Aliexpress for the M16 and they are much better than the stock button caps IMO, nicer feel and let the LED shine through, recommend the smokey black ones because you don't see the red of the switches much and together with the LED lighting you can have any button color you want.
Also nice to change SOCD on the fly, though I'm not sure that's specific to the M16. I change it to up priority when I use Blanka in SF6 and back to neutral with other chars/ playing Tekken 8.
Yeah, the SOCD stuff is really nice. I was going to mention it in a longer version I had planned, but went with this quicker take instead. And yeah, completely agree about the value element. Thanks for watching!
FYI Kitsune didn't have multiple SOCD cleaning options at launch, but after an update early March, you have more than just the neutral SOCD available on the Kitsune now.
@@exia2321 Yeah, I've been using up priority on it for a while. The M16 Plus is even better than the original M16, better button caps, switches and stock cable
Which one do you like more, the Haute42 M16 or the S16?
I like a bigger footprint in the lap and more wrist area so it is just more comfortable to play on (and the unintentional piece is there is also more room for art which is also a plus). So I would probably put them as T16 Crystal or the M16 Plus. S16 nearer the bottom since it's so small. But a lot of people love that about it, so take my stance with a grain of salt.
@@HushMySweet1 I see, thanks for your take on things 👍
I love that this product exists. Cheaper controller alternatives are amazing, and varying price points that allow all people who want to delve into leverless to do so is obviously good for the FGC. I do however feel this video is a tad disingenuous, as it does gloss over the fact that the Razer Kitsune, while a good bit more expensive, is in many ways significantly better as a controller than the Haute series has produced. Optical switches are a large improvement over mechanical ones, the size and better construction quality are noticeable, the native compatability with PS5 means no additional hardware is required to connect to either PC or Playstation, which is important given that the PS5 is tournament standard for consoles and reduces any worrying regarding controller performance. I have also had Haute controllers disconnect from Playstations randomly, something which does not happen to the Kitsune due again to the native compatibility.
I have both controllers and don't think optical switches (which you can get in other cheaper models, like the LightFox) nor the native PS5 play (one dongle and a single trip to the web configurator) make up for the $200 disparity. If a user wants a bigger footprint and fewer buttons like the Razer Kitsune, then Haute42 also has a controller around that size which is also offered in a traditional layout. Some people might want the brand name and novel switches and the right-out-the-box PS5 compatibility, and that's cool. I just think the value proposition is so much stronger with the Haute42 device. Its lower pricepoint makes it much easier to recommend to people on the fence, since most people in my circles don't want to pony up $300 to get into leverless. Razer isn't bad, just inefficient imo. (But I'm just one guy and this is all just my opinion obv) Thanks for weighing in with your perspective!
I haven't tried the kitsune but I have the M13 and I can't really imagine another controller being much nicer in any way that's not just personal preference.
I totally get what you're saying. Like, if it plays on the system you want and inputs the correct function when you make a press, then there ya go. But I agree, a good amount of bang for your buck with this controller. Thanks for watching!
So what do you need and how much is it to make it current gen compatible? We’re going on year four and still no standard compatibility.
A Magic Boots v1.1 dongle for ~$30 is what you need for PS5 compatibility.
Haute42 products is no joke.
I have the S13 series which is my first leverless. the build quality is great.
It really got me into leverless controllers. I don't see myself Playing on pads anymore
Right on! And thanks for watching/commenting!
Love your review as usual
Ask them to send you. the bigger M+ version ;)
btw can you review the QRD maestro s3 ? there was som backslsh on /r but I think they deserve a good review from you as they have good ideas and also doio lineup
Hey, thanks for the nice comment. The bigger version does look nicer. It's funny you bring up the QRD Maestro s3. I hadn't heard of it until like a month ago. If there's an interest, then maybe I can look into procuring one to demo. What exactly do we need to look at? Any burning questions about the device? And thanks for watching!
@@HushMySweet1 would be nice if they can send you one for review (they did send to some random casual reviewer with no expertises as yours )
its a ps4 native and oldies wireless hitbox with classic layout and hotswappable full size MX
so burning question is latency of course and also third party keycap compatibility with their custom mx button
there is also an easy mode supposed to help ppl with big motion like HCF , I guess it add some input buffer here and there to make it more but Im wondering if its also adding some lags
note its not a gp20 based that was part of the initial backslash I read on /r but given al the feature I think it deserve a look
the only worth reviewer of it so far are @VidVayder and a korean tekken player but in korean ;p
I also suggest you to look for the doio KBGM H05 (a real contender for the haute42. M16) and DRMFTG if you can. , the later is harder to get outside japan I think and quite pricey
looking forward
Just wondering, is it confirmed that it works on Xbox series? There was the recent change last Fall that made it so Xbox would only accept officially licensed controllers. I used to use a GP2040-CE controller with a brook adapter but it stopped working after Xbox made the change.
Thanks for the review!
Hey, thanks for watching. As far as the Xbox stuff, I don't have any of that to test on, so my response here is not firsthand experience. However, when it comes to Xbox, I believe original Xbox support is native, but One and Series needs authentication. So you'd enable it on the web configurator like I did for the PS5 here, just for Xbox, and then use an appropriate dongle in that pass through slot. There is a Magic Boots Xbox dongle but they are hard to find now, so you can try a Mayflash Magic X instead. They function the same, just the Magic X is a bit longer. Good luck! And if you need additional help or something I said isn't quite right, the folks over at the GP2040-CE discord are helpful. discord.gg/juj9SNT8
Can you play using the Kitsune right out of the box, or do you have to install software first?
Kitsune works right out of the box. (And so does the Haute42 on PC, but PS5 needs additional steps)
I have a Haute42 T16 and I love it, I am buying a M16 plus next.
Glad it works for you. You'll have to let us know your thoughts on the M16 when it arrives! Thanks for watching.
Cool stuff. Have you tried the wingman as a passthrough?
I really need to invest in one. Questions about them come up every so often and it would be nice to have one on hand to confirm different things for different people. But no, I have not tried the PS5 one.
@@HushMySweet1 ive seen Asindo did it a few days ago with their new all buttons contoller.
Yeah, low prices and customization with button options is what the community is looking for
Hey do you know how to change the socd to were if you hold down and press up it does the flash kick
I think you're looking for "Last Win" ...Try holding HOME + START + LEFT.
I'm a little bit sceptical about dongles and stuff, so the lack of PS5 support on Haute42 is a no-no for me unfortunately
It's sort of a one-and-done deal once you've got it set up, but yeah, if you want something right out of the box that works on PS5 and PC, the Kitsune may be for you.
It looks like slides are a bit easier on the M Series over the T Series. Sometimes my fingers catch the buttons when I try to do a 360 motion.
Yeah, they both stick up just a hair more than they should for the optimal slides. I still could get them off, just had to be a bit more deliberate. Thanks for watching/commenting!
If they made a model with this 16 button layout and size that used the regular 24mm size buttons for everything but the jump button, I would drop my snack box for it.
The only reason I haven't got one of these hautes is because I have small hands and the larger buttons don't feel as comfy😅
That's understandable. I think I prefer a bit larger button, but can definitely see that they won't appeal to everyone. No standardized hand sizes... But! Maybe they'll drop something in the future that works with your sensibilities. They have been beefing up their line with lots of different models, so you never know. Regardless, thanks for watching/commenting!
@@HushMySweet1
Yeah for me the 24mm buttons are honestly what I love the most about these button boxes over arcade sticks. The hand feel especially considering I have smaller hands is just fantastic.
Good ass content as per usual tho Mr. Hush 😎
Could you tell me please which is better razer kitsune or hitbox I have good amount of money and i want it for Tekken 8 on ps5
It really depends on what you prioritize. If you really like optical switches, then the Kitsune will have this beat. If you like arcade style buttons, then Hit Box will win. Does it need to work right out of the box on the PS5 or are you okay with some tinkering? The Kitsune will work straight away, but something like the Haute42 T16 Crystal (if you want to install artwork) or the M16+ (if you prefer metal) are cheaper and have more button options, but you have to install a dongle to make sure they work on PS5. It's easy to do, but some people don't like to mess with their controllers. Mavercade also has some fun layouts if you like these ones with more button options. It's hard to give a true recommendation without knowing what you prioritize in a controller, but all of the ones I mentioned will function well. Thanks for watching!
@@HushMySweet1 I am still a pad player so I don’t know so i want an advice from someone who know about them all
My favorite brand when it comes to hitboxes I have like 8 of em
Nice! Which is your fav?
Can you play PS5 games with this? Tekken 8, Street fighter 6?
Yes, but not out of the box. You need to buy a dongle (something like a Mayflash Magic Boots v1.1) and configure it in the web configurator. A bit of legwork initially, but it's easy and you only need to do it once. Good luck.
Where do you see that haute is launching their own switches?
I saw that on the twittersphere, but not from their official account. They are working on it, so I'm of the mind that they will release it at some point, however. Thanks for watching.
The haute doesn’t work on ps5 without adapters. Add that to the price point if you want to play in tournament
Yeah, but a $30 dongle is still a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things for PS5 tourneys. But yes, good to point out.
@@HushMySweet1 it’s a drop in a bucket but yet another device you have to remember to bring I should’ve mentioned. I hate adapters whether it’s for laptops , phones or controllers etc
Thank you . As an Xbox player, can you link what i need to make it work? Thx
I believe original Xbox support is native, but One and Series needs authentication. So you'd enable it on the web configurator like I did for the PS5 here, just for Xbox, and then use an appropriate dongle in that pass through slot. There is a Magic Boots Xbox dongle but they are hard to find now, so you can try a Mayflash Magic X instead. They function the same, just the Magic X is a bit longer. Good luck!
@@HushMySweet1 thank you brother !!
I've been watching videos on these all night, as a person who wants to dive into fighting games, sticks have never felt good to me, and controllers are even worse, i think leverless will hit the sweet spot since I pc game and am use to keyboards. probably gonna go with the r16 though
Right on! Glad you've dialed in something you think will work for you! Plenty more controllers to show off on this channel! Thanks for watching!
@@HushMySweet1 For sure, I ordered an r16 this morning, stoked for it to come in
Can it use on ps5 with brook adapter?
Now haute42 made m16 pro bigger than standard m16
Yes! I have a review on that coming soon too!
Saddest thing about these that I've seen is controller chaos selling them for 150 with some art slapped onto them. No new switches, no nothing else, just new art under the plexiglass. They are thieves in the FGC I swear, especially at Majors.
That's unfortunate. Depending on the Haute model, $150 could be like a 100%+ mark-up. A shame.
OH SNAP! MY Donatello is there!
I'm endeared to Donatello as the fav turtle, so when I saw that post on r/fightsticks I knew I had to include here. Great theme and thank you for watching!
@@HushMySweet1 LES GOOOOO!! To you I say, Cowabunga!
Love ya video im about to show this to my boy king cato the gamer
Right on!
Bought a few leverless controllers from a few different companies now (JFA, PWS & a customized no-name). I can say that the H42 M model is my favorite by far. PWS are great too but prefer the H42 M at the moment. The JFA mini is just junk tbh (sorry not sorry).
Yeah, there are a ton of options, and I'm confident a user could find their ideal controller. Glad to hear you've had a good experience with the Haute stuff so far.
Does this really support iPadOS/iOS?
GP2040-CE is compatible with PC, PS3 and PS4, Nintendo Switch, Steam Deck, MiSTer and Android.
Such price for a simple design
The Kitsune or the M16? And follow-up question: What kind of design features would you like to see in a controller? Thanks for watching!
@HushMySweet1 14 buttons needs to be a future standard.
Loool I have a kitsune that duel was hilarious 😂
I was proud of that one, lol. Thanks for watching!
Razer Kitsune is better n worth the money
What does it have going for it that justifies the price disparity in your eyes? Personally, if I'm dropping $300+, I'm going to go full custom.
@@HushMySweet1 its name brand razer products has top of the line quality for years. Who ever heard of the Haute42? Lol sound like the hawk tuah girl
Kitsune >
Hey, that's cool. It's definitely a fine device (I'm just not a huge fan of the price.) Are you a big fan of the optical switches? Or what makes it better than all in your opinion? Thanks for watching!
I dunno when "razer" start be a "industry leader", btw, i hate the 30mm buttons. Hope they (haute42) will release T16 with 24mm buttons.
Well, maybe not exclusively for fightsticks, but definitely a big tech company with their hands in a lot of different peripherals and game-y stuff. And to your second point, though I don't know for certain, I would almost bet that Haute would have some smaller button stuff coming (based only on the speed at which they've bulked up their line of controllers). It seems like every few weeks there's a new edition. Regardless, thanks for watching/commenting!
I still cant justify paying that much and still having to buy a ps5 adapter
Well, it's a ~$25-30 dongle on top of your initial $100 for this metal model, true. But that's still less than half of the Kitsune price tag. But plug-and-play / ease of use stuff is very nice and still very important to a lot of people, so I get where you're coming from. The dongle is cheap and easy though, so I didn't count it against the Haute and GP2040-CE stuff too harshly. Regardless, thanks for watching/commenting.
@@HushMySweet1 they don't always work well
Noice 👍
I appreciate your support!
No ps5 support though bro!!!
Kitsune plays on PS5 out of the box. The M16 has a slot for a dongle and you just use something like a $30 Mayflash MagicBoots v1.1 and it will authenticate and play on PS5.
its working for ps5
I'm not quite sure what you mean, but both should work fine on PS5. Thanks for watching!
Ello
Yo.
Lmao! Too many buttons like it was made in China.
because it is
And the extra buttons is the appeal
It's the exact reason I bought mine a couple of months ago
They sell two versions where one is same size with standard button layout and one is the size of the t16 with again the standard layout. So if you didn't want extra buttons they have that too.
@haste57 Was just gonna comment the same thing. They've got some options for traditional layouts and newer ones as shown in the vid. Thanks for weighing in!
Is it me or do these AI voiced videos ruin it for anyone else?
lol, this is the first time I've been accused of being a robot. That is actually my voice and I usually try to keep things chill because I don't like that "manufactured hype" voice a lot of people use (though I tried an editor for the first time and he definitely sped it up in parts, so maybe that's what you're hearing; the rest of the vids on this channel are not sped up for voice comparisons). Regardless, thanks for watching and my wife will get a chuckle out of me being a robot.
Ive been hearing a lot of buzz about Huate, figured it was only a matter of time before you made a video about it!
Good shit as always 🤌
Always a good day with a Seff sighting! Thanks for stopping by! What have you been working on as of late (if you can say) ? I was checking your channel pretty frequently for a "How Good Can I Get at Tekken 8 in 24 hours" after that game launched.
@@HushMySweet1 tekken 8 in 24 hours is real and close to completion 💪
@@sefflikejeff1917 I can't wait!